1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,319 Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome back to Carol Mark Wood Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: There's been this kerfuffle on the right in the last 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: few days. Megan Kelly had a clip where she talked 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: about how conservative men don't want their women to work. 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: Let's roll that clip. 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: Here's what's happening on the right young women. And I 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: talk to young conservative women all the time about their 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 2: lives and their goals and you know, the things that 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: they want. And what's happening is they can't find men 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: who are maybe more conservative. Usually they're looking for somebody 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: who is religious, you know, like a lot of conservative 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: women tend to be God, God loving conservatives, and they 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: can't find a lot of young men who want to 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: marry a working woman. Now, this is an actual problem 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: that's coming up on the right, and to me, it's 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: so sad because it's like, how did we get to 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: the point where we were now telling young conservative, amazing 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: women that they're not attractive if they also work. If 19 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: they choose to, let's say, do what I'm doing and 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: what you're doing and get their voice out there. But 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: I'll stick with me just because I think conservatives listening 22 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: to this will like the thought of another Megan Kelly 23 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: voice up and coming. Well, why wouldn't we want that? 24 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 2: Why would we take somebody who's talented in this field 25 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: and really wants to make a difference and have the 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,279 Speaker 2: messaging to her be you're really not that valuable unless 27 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: you give it up and go into the home and 28 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: only have a family and only raise a family. And 29 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: not only resenting her that message, but young men are 30 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: actually believing that. They're actually believing it, especially on the right, 31 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 2: because like the trad mom has gotten so popular and 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 2: it's like, no, if. 33 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: We do that, we're not going to have any strong 34 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: conservative or right leaning women to provide a role model 35 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: for younger conservative women who and there's nothing to apologize 36 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 3: for here, don't necessarily want to spend all their twenties 37 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: and their thirties getting married and having kids or can't 38 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: they just weren't able to meet somebody and definitely don't 39 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: need to be shamed over it. 40 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: I love Megan a lot, and I get what she's saying. 41 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: Don't snuff out the potential of girls to be something amazing, 42 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with working and having a family obviously, 43 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: And the pushback to this has come from people like 44 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: Matt Walsh who say men don't want to have a 45 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: girl boss wife. They want someone to care for them 46 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: and for the kids. And I think more than anything else, 47 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: the men don't want their kids raised by someone else 48 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: while the woman works long hours. Understandable. I think the 49 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: truth is that most people don't have jobs they super love, 50 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: and I mean men and women here. I love what 51 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: I do. I have loved it all along. I've done 52 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: it when it didn't pay a lot. But it's a 53 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: choice because I've been blessed to have an off ramp 54 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: if I want one. My husband still talks about this 55 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: magical time where I was briefly his stay at home 56 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: girlfriend when I had gotten laid off four months before 57 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: our wedding. He enjoyed that, of course, and I've kind 58 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: of done it all. I was a stay at home 59 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: mom after that. I owned a business in New York 60 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: City for a few years, so I worked outside the home, 61 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: and I've been a work at home mom for much 62 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: of the last decade plus. Most people don't work because 63 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: their job is so fulfilling, or they just can't get 64 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: enough of it, which kind of is my case. I 65 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: love what I do. I'm obsessed with what I do. 66 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: I do it even when I don't have to do it. 67 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: People work for the money, and it's hard to have 68 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: a family on just one income. Yes, you can make sacrifices, 69 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: but you never know what happens in life, and if 70 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: you somehow lose that one income you're relying on, it 71 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: could be very tough. But more than anything else with 72 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: this whole thing, I hear from women who are confused 73 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: at this conversation altogether. Where is this pool of men 74 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: who need their wife to stay home? They say, I 75 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: know when I was a stay at home mom. Even 76 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: moms with similar financial circumstances told me they were jealous 77 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: that my husband was okay with me staying home. It's 78 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: not such a common thing for men to be into. 79 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: And I'm sure that Megan and I have somewhat similar schedules. 80 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: I have to travel from time to time, but I'm 81 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: done by three pm nearly every day, and I'm the 82 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: one who picks up my kids from school, and I'm 83 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: there for dinner every night. It's not a typical schedule 84 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: for most working people. All of this to say we're 85 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: getting too into the weeds on this. The problem starts 86 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: that young people aren't having relationships, and it's probably not 87 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: because the men want their women to stay home and 88 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: not work. We need to focus on the big picture 89 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: and fix that first. Thanks for listening. Coming up next, 90 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: an interview with Robbie Starbuck. Join us after the break. 91 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitch Show on iHeartRadio. My 92 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: guest today is Robbie Starbuck. Robbie is a filmmaker and 93 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: conservative activist. So nice to have you on, Robbie. 94 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. 95 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: So a lot of times when somebody says that they 96 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: worked in Hollywood, it's like, you know, on some project 97 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: no one's ever heard of, and they're not really taking 98 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: any huge chances, leaving you know, their career behind. But 99 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: you worked with Smashing Pumpkins, Acon Eve. I mean people 100 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: everybody knows, everybody should know. Maybe, and then you left 101 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: it all behind to go be an activist. 102 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 4: Why you know? 103 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 5: Maybe Yeah, I'm a little crazy, so maybe you know. Yeah, 104 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 5: I directed of scaring actors. Actually some of the biggest 105 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 5: music stars, you know, people like Natalie Portman, Jamie. 106 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 4: Fox, Snoop Dogg. 107 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 5: You know, and I think I was I'm sort of 108 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 5: an anomaly. In the sense that not only did I 109 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 5: leave Hollywood and do that, but I came out at 110 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 5: the peak of my career. 111 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 4: Versus a lot of people in Hollywood. What they do 112 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 4: is they wait until. 113 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 5: They don't Yeah, they wait until they don't have jobs anymore, 114 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 5: you know, and they're like, okay, yeah, actually I'm a Republican. 115 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 4: You know. 116 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 5: For me, it's fairly simple though. My family came from 117 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:11,239 Speaker 5: Cuba and they lost everything to communism, and so probably 118 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 5: the most important figure in my life was my great grandfather, Raphael, 119 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 5: and I was called him Peyo, that was his name, 120 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 5: And you know, I remember very distinctly some talks we'd 121 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 5: had about how Marxism and you know, Castro rose to 122 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 5: power in Cuba, and how things happened, what were the 123 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 5: warning signs, and essentially, you know, I'd always made the 124 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 5: promise to him that, no matter what the cost, I 125 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 5: would stand up if that same sort of thing was 126 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 5: ever happening in America, because we both agreed America was 127 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 5: the last stand for freedom, that if the same thing 128 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 5: happens here, that was it, you know, at least for 129 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 5: one hundred. 130 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 4: Years, or there's nowhere else to run to. 131 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 5: I mean, Ronald Reagan used to tell this story about 132 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 5: a Cuban refugee where he's talking to two businessmen and 133 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 5: the businessmen are like, I'm so sorry, you know, we're 134 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 5: so lucky, and the business and the Cuban started laughing 135 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 5: at them and they couldn't understand. 136 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 4: Why and why are you laughing? And He's like, I'm 137 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 4: not the lucky one, or you're not the lucky ones. 138 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 4: I am because I had somewhere to go to. 139 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 5: You don't have anywhere to run to if it happens 140 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 5: to you, you know, and it's it's the truth, you know. 141 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 4: So I knew in that world, you know, I. 142 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 5: Wasn't going to be like some total savior or something 143 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 5: like that that was going to just change the dynamics 144 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 5: of the industry. But I knew that if I came 145 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 5: out and I was honest about where I stood on things, 146 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 5: that it would make it a little bit easier for 147 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 5: the next person. And beyond that, also, it moves the 148 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 5: needle of social acceptability, and you know how you can 149 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 5: converse about these things. And I knew what the cost 150 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 5: would be. I don't pretend otherwise, like. 151 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 4: Well, no, they didn't take it well. 152 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 5: And I'm not one of those people that's going to 153 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 5: pretend I didn't know I was going to get blacklisted. 154 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 5: I knew what was going to happen, and it happened 155 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 5: pretty much overnight. I mean, we had some massive contracts 156 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 5: at the time. We didn't just do no. I wasn't 157 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 5: just a director. I owned a production company that had 158 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 5: some huge clients, like Paramount Pictures, where we did a 159 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 5: lot of pret auction for them that people don't realize 160 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 5: o their companies do. And so we had managed quite 161 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 5: a few really big projects from the Terminator movies, Transformer films, 162 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 5: things along those lines, and pretty much overnight everything stopped 163 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 5: because of ME coming out and endorsing Trump in twenty fifteen. 164 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 5: And you know, it took a little while for some people, 165 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 5: but eventually me talking about politics enough pushed everybody off. 166 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 5: Which is sort of interesting, you know, because if I 167 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 5: had been doing it the opposite direction, I would I'd 168 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 5: probably have an oscar right now. 169 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 4: You know. 170 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 5: But that was actually kind of the funny thing is 171 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 5: I never fit in Hollywood, and I think that was 172 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 5: actually part of the reason I was successful, is because 173 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 5: I was sort of an anomaly in the sense that 174 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 5: I never went to any of the parties. Even when 175 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 5: I was up for major awards like at the MTV 176 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 5: VMAs and stuff like that, I never went. I never 177 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 5: went and accepted awards that I won. I didn't believe 178 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 5: in it. I thought the whole thing was kind of 179 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 5: disgusting and we have real problems, and I think the 180 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 5: you know, self congratulate bs at these award shows is 181 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 5: honestly kind of sickening. 182 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 4: So, you know, I never was quite a fit. 183 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 5: But that's at least a little bit of an explanation 184 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 5: why I came out and was honest about my politics. 185 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: So you don't feel any bitterness about that, about being 186 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: blacklisted in Hollywood and not getting to do the work 187 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: that you were doing. 188 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 4: I'm just not a terribly bitter person, you know. I 189 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 4: don't get too high or low. 190 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 5: I'm very analytical and reasonable, and I knew what would happen, 191 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 5: so I didn't go into like the emotional state of oh, 192 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 5: how does this make me feel? 193 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 4: It was more so a reality. 194 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 5: You know, you deal with it, you move on, you adjust, 195 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 5: and in many ways, I'm thankful it all happen the 196 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 5: way that it did because one amazing thing that I 197 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 5: got to experience, and most people will never get to 198 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 5: experience that. I would say, outsider looking in It's one 199 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 5: of those like glass half fool things. 200 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 4: You know, you kind of have to decide how you 201 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 4: see it. 202 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 5: Some people would be heartbroken by what happened with friendships, 203 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 5: you know, they'd be like, oh my gosh, I want. 204 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 4: All these friends for me. I consider it the. 205 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 5: Most beautiful gift I could ever be given and be 206 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 5: on my way of my kids. 207 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 4: It was like this. 208 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 5: Clarity of you really know who your friends are, and 209 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 5: it's just like in an instant it becomes so clear 210 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 5: because I think for a lot of people, you know, 211 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 5: they think they have all these friends. And again another 212 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 5: lesson from my great grandfather. He told me when I 213 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 5: was very young. He said, you'll understand this someday, but 214 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 5: if when you die you have enough friends to fill 215 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 5: up one full hand, you are a very very lucky man. 216 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 5: And you know, I thought I had all these friends, 217 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 5: and then you know, I come out and find out 218 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 5: you know essentially that if you're you know, sort of 219 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 5: accused even of wrong think, you can lose them overnight, right, 220 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 5: And so that clarity is a really wonderful thing, and 221 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 5: that's something I'm very thankful for that. 222 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: It happened to me. 223 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: I think your children are small, but are you going 224 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: to tell them the stories like about losing friends and 225 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: how that's actually a gift and you know, don't don't 226 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: take it so hard. If you do the right thing 227 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: and you lose friends, that that's just the way it goes. 228 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 5: So I have I have four kids with my wife, 229 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 5: and our oldest is actually so she's she's close to 230 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 5: she's close dad at the house. I mean, we're we're 231 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 5: looking at colleges and stuff, and she's real, she's a 232 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 5: smart cookie. 233 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 4: We're so lucky. 234 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 5: But in the respect of her and our oldest son, 235 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 5: he's twelve, they both got to experience a lot of 236 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,239 Speaker 5: this themselves. 237 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 4: You know, our daughter lost friends. 238 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 5: When I came out as conservative, where like their parents 239 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 5: told them, you can't hang out with them anymore because 240 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 5: their parents are you know this that or the other thing. 241 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 5: I mean, I say, whether they were calling me a 242 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 5: racist or whatever, which was so funny because they're all 243 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 5: white liberals, right, and my family's Latino. 244 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 4: They're chief. The chief complaints seemed to be that. 245 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 5: I backed the immigration policy of Trump, and if not 246 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 5: only back I'm actually I would say to the right 247 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 5: of Trump on immigration in the sense that you know, 248 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 5: I'm Latino. I understand very clearly what is happening on 249 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 5: our border. I understand the dangers involved. And I will say, 250 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 5: what we just saw happen in the last twenty four 251 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 5: hours with El Salvador is a lot more of what 252 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 5: it would look like in my world, you know, but 253 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 5: for everybody involved, and it would send a very clear 254 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 5: message and we would no longer have a legal immigration anymore. 255 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 5: I think Trump is eminently reasonable when it comes when 256 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 5: it comes to immigration. And so it's kind of funny. 257 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 5: That was their chief complaint about me. You know, it's like, oh, 258 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 5: you're the racist, right, It's you know, it's kind of funny. 259 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 5: But yeah, no, they got to experience it, so they know, right, 260 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 5: they know all of the pitfalls here. 261 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 4: They're very intelligent and wise beyond their years. 262 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 5: Our younger ones will definitely explain it to because we 263 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 5: have an eight year old and then we have a 264 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 5: newborn as well, and you know. 265 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 4: It's interesting. The newborn is. 266 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 5: Going to have a very very different upbringing than the 267 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 5: rest of them because he's coming in. 268 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 4: At a very different time. 269 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 5: He'll never know his dad is like you know, super creative, 270 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 5: you know, person, it's going to be something very different. 271 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure he'll know I'm creative in some sense, 272 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 5: but it'll be different, you know. So definitely lots of stories, 273 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 5: but I would say, you know what, they'll get more 274 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 5: stories about, like what our family went through in Cuba, 275 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 5: because that's something that generationally, you want to make the 276 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 5: DNA of your kids because you want them to be 277 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 5: you know, the defense mechanism against it ever happening again. 278 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 4: It's so hard. 279 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I was born in the Soviet Union, so 280 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: I have a very kind of similar story. But it's 281 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: so hard because these kids, they you know, we live 282 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: in Florida now, so it's actually already a little better 283 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: for them. We lived in New York. I was able 284 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: to kind of draw the parallels and say, look, you 285 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: know what happened in my family in the Soviet Union, 286 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: Look how easily it could happen during COVID in New York. 287 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: But in Florida they lived this like magical free life 288 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: where you know, in New York, I had them like 289 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: not tell people what I do for a living in Florida, 290 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, tell everybody, I don't care, but you know, 291 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: they still run into some resistance sometimes. My twelve year 292 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: old son is arguing with girls at a school because 293 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: he's a big Elon Musk fan, and they're like, Elon's 294 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: a racist, and you know how why do you like him? 295 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: And my son's like really into like technology and science 296 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: and he's like, Elon's a genius. Yeah, but you know they're. 297 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 5: Going to have to you know, what's you know, what's 298 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 5: funny is like seeing I will say this, it's very 299 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 5: interesting with my oldest daughter, who's sixteen. When she was younger, 300 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 5: she was absolutely the outcast when it came to politics 301 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 5: because she was. 302 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 4: Always your friend, right in your family, Oh yeah, in. 303 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 5: Her pure in her pure group, the entire peer group 304 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 5: was very either afraid of politics or they had sort 305 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 5: of accepted hook line and sinkly the left wing you 306 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 5: know ideology. Now today almost I think honestly every friend 307 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 5: of hers is extremely to the right, you know, if 308 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 5: not at least a center right person, but most of 309 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 5: them are on the same page of like they're full, 310 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 5: full bore on board with the magage and you know, 311 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 5: which is so different from just you know, eight years ago. 312 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 5: And I think it's that young people had a couple 313 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 5: of things happened. Number one, COVID. They had to experience 314 00:14:55,640 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 5: the totalitarian control of largely Democrats and experiencing the failures. 315 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, nothing made sense and it was illogical at 316 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 5: every step of the way. And then they had to 317 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 5: experience the Biden administration's failures when it came to just 318 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 5: how you live in a normal life. These kids are 319 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 5: coming up realizing, oh my gosh, we're. 320 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 4: Going to be saddled with all this debt. Am I 321 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 4: ever going to be able to own a home? You know? 322 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 4: What are these things that should be stabilizing forces in 323 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 4: my life? 324 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 5: And they're not around anymore, and they're realizing the failures 325 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 5: of policy. The other thing, too, is kids are getting 326 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 5: smarter than we give them credit for. They have total 327 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 5: access to all information, and it's much harder to lie 328 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 5: to these kids today than it was, you know, twenty 329 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 5: years ago about politics because they have everything at. 330 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: Their fingertips and they can go and they can question you. 331 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 5: And what are teenagers and young people in college really 332 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 5: great at questioning authority? So they're going to go and 333 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 5: question it exactly. And the other thing we have going 334 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 5: for us is the rebellious spirit of maga right, the 335 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 5: rebellious spirit of America. First, when you have all these 336 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 5: like overgrown hall monitors who are your teachers in school, 337 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 5: and they're all harping on about pronouns and you know, 338 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 5: all this ridiculous stuff, what is your average, especially young male, 339 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 5: going to do. 340 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 4: They're going to rebel against it. 341 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 5: And so, in some beautiful way, the left took it 342 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 5: so far with the indoctrination in school so that they 343 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 5: actually created a monster and helped hand us these young 344 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 5: men who you know, in their eyes, I'm saying monster. 345 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 5: In reality, what they've made is free thinking young people 346 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 5: who are going no, we don't want to be a 347 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 5: part of this control mechanism, a part of this system 348 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 5: of indoctrination. We're going to think for ourselves. And they've adopted, 349 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 5: I would say, you know, really great political values at 350 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 5: this at this stage. And so we have a job 351 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 5: to do. Obviously, we can't fail these young people. But 352 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 5: if we don't fail them, and we actually do a 353 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 5: good job, I think we're going to see a very 354 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 5: different electorate in the coming years. 355 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: So I met you for the first time recently, and 356 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: I told you that I think that you're you've really 357 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: found your calling, and you know, as I was getting 358 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: ready for this interview, I was googling you and like, 359 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, looking up stuff that I wanted to discuss. 360 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: But you know, a lot of the articles about you 361 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: say that you target companies to you know, stop them 362 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: from having diversity and that kind of thing where I think, 363 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, you help companies that have leaned too far 364 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: into the woke world, probably are hurting their bottom lines 365 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: and are being you know, catered, They cater to like 366 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: the Human Rights Campaign, which is obviously a far left 367 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: special interest group which uses their corporate index to equity 368 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: index to get companies to do what they want, and 369 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: you sort of help them find their way back to sanity. 370 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: How did you get into that and what's that like? 371 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's interesting kind of goes back to 372 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 5: the first answer about why I came out politically, you know, 373 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 5: with my my great grandfather. You know, what was happening 374 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 5: with THEI. It was essentially a trojan horse for very 375 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 5: far left politics, and the people who are running these 376 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 5: DEI programs are left wing activists, and so recognizing that 377 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 5: it's one of those signs, you know that I was 378 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 5: talking about earlier that things can go terribly wrong, very quickly. 379 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 5: It's why Elon Musk has spoken up of this and 380 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 5: the President's spoken of about this, because it's it's not that, 381 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 5: you know, including one another is just a bad thing. 382 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 5: That's that's not the sense that anybody gets. It's not 383 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 5: the argument I'm making. It's that DEI in itself, the 384 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 5: actual ideology is poisoned by left wing politics. 385 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 4: And none of it means what it purports to mean. 386 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 5: And everybody's pretty clear on that now because they've experienced 387 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 5: it a lot like what I was talking about with 388 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 5: young people, why they've shifted right. They experienced the opposite, 389 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 5: They experienced the thing, and now they're going in the 390 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 5: other direction. 391 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 4: Well, same thing with adults in the workplace. 392 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 5: They experienced DEI, and how many of them are going 393 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 5: in a different direction because they saw how divisive it 394 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 5: truly was and. 395 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 4: How discriminatory it turned out to be. 396 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,719 Speaker 5: And so for me, I saw, you know, really an 397 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 5: opportunity with the following I had to make a difference. 398 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 4: And that's how it started. 399 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 5: As I said, I think we can make a difference 400 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 5: on this front and tear away some really you know, 401 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 5: divisive racist policy. You know, if we make enough noise 402 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 5: and make people aware of what's going on. And ultimately, yeah, 403 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 5: we were very successful and happened very successful at it. 404 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 4: I think that, you know, my life has given me. 405 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 5: A lot of different unique tools and I sort of 406 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 5: fused them all together for this, you know, And so 407 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 5: it's unique and I think it's it's doing a lot 408 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 5: of good, you know, because if you think about it now, 409 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 5: eight months, I guess we're nine months later after we 410 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 5: started this campaign. 411 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 4: Dozens of companies have changed. 412 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 5: Their policies because of us, wiped out all the woke stuff. 413 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 5: And so we're talking about millions and millions of workers 414 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 5: in America who get to go to work and not 415 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 5: have politics injected, not have all of these divisions injected, 416 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 5: not have to worry that their race is. 417 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 4: Going to stop them from getting promoted. 418 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 5: Everybody being treated fairly and you know, decisions made on 419 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 5: merit and that's the way it should be, right. And 420 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 5: the companies that we've helped do this, they've actually performed 421 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 5: better in the marketplace. 422 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 4: They're doing great with their values. 423 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 5: And so the exact opposite of what the left wing 424 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 5: media tried to tell us the last decade. If you 425 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 5: stray away from this, you're gonna go bankrupt. Well, actually 426 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 5: it's the companies that embrace DEI that are going bankrupt, 427 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 5: you know, Like today it was Forever twenty one just 428 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 5: declared bankruptcy, a company that had fully embraced DEI. 429 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 4: In fact, they're head of DEI. Had even admitted to a. 430 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 5: Fortune or reporter that essentially, you know, there's a quote 431 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 5: that what they were doing wasn't quite legal. And you know, 432 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 5: it's it's interesting to see how these companies that are 433 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 5: going down so often. 434 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 4: If you see a chapter eleven announcement. 435 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 5: You can just go in Google search that company name 436 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 5: plus diversity, Equity Inclusion and you will see they had 437 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 5: a DEI. 438 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 4: That interesting. 439 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting, and I have not found a case 440 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 5: otherwise in recent history. 441 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: Amazing. We're going to take a quick break and be 442 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What do you 443 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: worry about? 444 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 4: You know what's interesting? 445 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 5: Like I think I'm actually extremely normal, you know, I 446 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 5: just worry about the normal dad stuff, you know, like 447 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 5: I worry about my kids getting hurt. 448 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: You know, I worry. 449 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 5: I have a sixteen year old, so I worry that 450 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 5: once she starts dating, she'll get her heartbroken. You know, 451 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 5: I worry like our young one who just learned how 452 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 5: to ride a bicycle is going to get her knees 453 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 5: scraped and stuff, like the normal worries. But you know, 454 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 5: there are also the types of things where I know 455 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 5: they have to happen. It's like it's growth takes pain sometimes, right, 456 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 5: So if I protect my little one from ever getting 457 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 5: her knees scraped on a bike, is she going to 458 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 5: ultimately learn certain things to keep herself safe. It's going 459 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 5: to be much harder for her to learn them, right, 460 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 5: And you try to teach them, You try to tell 461 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 5: them the right thing to do. But if they if 462 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 5: they ignore it five times in a row and then 463 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 5: they go and they get their knees scraped, what are 464 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 5: you going to do? 465 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 4: Like they learn from that. 466 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 5: Right, my oldest daughter, as much as I never want 467 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 5: her to go and date and get her heartbroken, you 468 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 5: know that that's kind of a rite of passage for everybody. 469 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 5: People get their hearts broken and you learn from it. 470 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 5: And you know, so that's the stuff I worry about, 471 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 5: is dad's stuff. 472 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 4: When it comes to the politics of the world, I've. 473 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 5: Learned that worry gets you know where, and you're much 474 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 5: better off planning and having you know, very clear, concise 475 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 5: direction that you're wanting to go and that you need 476 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 5: to execute very clearly, and to execute clearly, you can't 477 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 5: be clouded by emotions. 478 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 4: And so I'd say that's that's the truth. 479 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 5: Politically, I don't allow myself to get fearful or you know, 480 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 5: anxiety ridden. 481 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: About any last four years were an anxiety ridden? 482 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 4: You know, honestly, I didn't. I didn't let myself get 483 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 4: like that. 484 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 5: I mean, it's hard to explain to how, you know, 485 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 5: I think a unique ability to turn off some of 486 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 5: those subsets of emotions and just focus on the actual 487 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 5: problem and how you fix it and how can you 488 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 5: be a part of changing things. And so that's where 489 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 5: I tried to gravitate towards. I will say there were 490 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 5: moments during the four years of Biden administration where I 491 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 5: did get very angry. 492 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 4: I did. 493 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 5: There were certain things that happened, you know, where I 494 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 5: just you can't help but get angry. When Lake and 495 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 5: Riley was murdered, you know, I thought about my own daughter, 496 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 5: you know, that's headed to college, you know, not not 497 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 5: long in the future, because she's graduating early too. From school. 498 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 5: So she's she's just brilliant kid. And you know, as 499 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 5: a dad, like you see that girl, I saw my 500 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 5: own daughter, you know, and so I see a country 501 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 5: that's not protecting the kids who matter the most, you know, 502 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 5: our future, and we're not protecting them from violent criminals, 503 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 5: Like who are we? 504 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 4: You know? So there were moments like that where I 505 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 4: got very very. 506 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 5: Angry, But in general, like day to day anxiety, it 507 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 5: gets you nowhere. You know, even in a situation like that, 508 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 5: you just need to be focused on how. 509 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 4: To create change. And that's my mindset has always. 510 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 5: Been wake up every day and get a w no 511 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 5: matter how small it is, Like, get some kind of win, 512 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 5: even if it's tiny, advance the ball. 513 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: Love it. What advice would you give your sixteen year 514 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: old self. 515 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 4: Hold fast and work, you know, work hard. I think 516 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 4: that's the thing. When you're sixteen, it's very easy to see, 517 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 4: you know that things in front of you are not 518 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 4: working out, and to give up. 519 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 5: It's very easy to give up at sixteen, it's very 520 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 5: easy to give up at seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty. And 521 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 5: the thing that you've got to realize if you're at 522 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 5: that age is that it's not the end. It really 523 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 5: does actually get better, and you need to just put 524 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 5: down your head and work, do the work. Don't give up. 525 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 5: You know, every successful person is defined by their failures. 526 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 5: And I mean that to say, like, I've failed ninety 527 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 5: five percent of the time in my life at things 528 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 5: that I tried to do, and I've okay, it doesn't 529 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 5: it doesn't seem like it because I've been incredibly successful 530 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 5: at five percent of it. And that five percent that 531 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 5: I've been incredibly successful at in the end, I only 532 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 5: got there because I never gave up during the ninety 533 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 5: five percent of the time that I failed. And a 534 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 5: lot of people give up along the way, and they'll 535 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 5: say it's too hard, the system's rigged against me, whatever 536 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 5: it is, right, The truth is there were people more 537 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 5: talented than me. 538 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 4: There's people smarter than me. 539 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 5: There's people who have many different things where they're just 540 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 5: better at that thing than I am. The thing that 541 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 5: I always beat them at was that I didn't give 542 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 5: up and that I will stay on it. One way, 543 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 5: it's been described to me as I'm like a dog 544 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 5: with a bone, just I'm relentless, and so I would 545 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 5: tell young people be relentless you know, don't give up 546 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 5: at the first sign of failure, Like failure is just 547 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 5: a symptom of succeeding. 548 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 4: You just have to continue, continue, continue, until you get there. 549 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 5: And almost every great thing that our country has achieved 550 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 5: comes with sort of that same math, where a ninety 551 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 5: five percent failure rate, you finally succeed and everybody only 552 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 5: remembers the success, but you, personally, if you're the person 553 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 5: behind it, you remember the failure because had you not 554 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 5: gone through it, and had you not given up, you know, 555 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 5: you wouldn't have ever gotten to the success. And so 556 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 5: I think that's probably the thing that separates exceptional outcomes 557 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 5: from very average outcomes or bad outcomes is not giving 558 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 5: up and persevering and being relentless. 559 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: I love that. 560 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: Well. 561 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: I ask all of my guests to leave us with something, 562 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: that piece of advice that they could offer my listeners 563 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: on how they can improve their lives. What do you got, 564 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you just gave us a lot. 565 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 4: So yeah, I just I gave a little bit of 566 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 4: therapy session. You know what, Actually I do have one. 567 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 4: This is probably the single most important thing to me. 568 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 5: It's actually something I'm planning on making a video about 569 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 5: to talk more and expand on. But essentially we have 570 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 5: a problem with people being overly emotional on society and 571 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 5: making their decisions out of an emotional place. It's the 572 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 5: reason why the mainstream media like Huffington Post and I 573 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 5: won't even call the mainstream, they have such a low 574 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 5: readership at this point, but their legacy media, right like 575 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 5: Huffington Post, New York Times did this. A number of 576 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 5: other papers did this. They ran with these headlines saying 577 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 5: Elon Musk denies, Hitler killed millions and so why did. 578 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 4: They run those headlines? Why did they run those headlines? 579 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 5: They ran them because they could technically get away with it, 580 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 5: And it was because he actually posted something that was 581 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 5: pointing out that Hitler and Mao and Stalin didn't personally 582 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 5: go out. 583 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 4: There and kill millions people each. He was pointing out 584 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 4: that when you have a. 585 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 5: Fully adherent public sector that all believe one ideology, it 586 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 5: can be incredibly dangerous because they're the ones who were 587 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,959 Speaker 5: willing to carry out the evil, murderous plans of people 588 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 5: like Stalin Hitler. Now, and that's what he was pointing out, 589 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 5: But the media doesn't want your average scroller to know 590 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 5: the context behind what he's saying. Instead, they want you 591 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 5: to scroll by and believe that Elon Musk is Hitler, 592 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 5: or he's a Nazi and he loves Hitler and he's 593 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 5: excusing the Holocaust. That's what they want people to believe. 594 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 5: And so the truth is, how do you get there 595 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 5: to that belief? Because you have those friends in your 596 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 5: life who believe those things that they scroll past with 597 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 5: these headlines that are just fully a farce, And the 598 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 5: truth is they get there through being overly emotional. We 599 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 5: need a society that is reasonable, and when you get 600 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 5: too high or too low emotionally, we need to remind 601 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 5: people to take that eagle eye view, pull out, look 602 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 5: at it as an unbiased observer. The best way that 603 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 5: you can possibly do and ask yourself, is it really 604 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 5: this bad or is it really this good? Whatever it 605 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 5: might be, however high or low you are, but ask 606 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 5: yourself a series of questions to figure out if you're 607 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 5: really making good decisions or if you're really being fair 608 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 5: to the people that you're judging. I think that's something 609 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,239 Speaker 5: that societally, if we want to decrease division and we 610 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 5: want a more intelligent society, better outcomes for our kids, 611 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 5: we're going to decrease the amount of decisions that are 612 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 5: made with emotion and increase rapidly the amount of decisions 613 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 5: that are made with pure reason. And that's probably the 614 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 5: thing that I would tell everybody to kind of take 615 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 5: a moment and look in the mirror and examine their 616 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 5: own life and how many of their you know, decisions 617 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 5: are making out of pure emotion. 618 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 4: You know, I've seen so many relationships break up over 619 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 4: this too. 620 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 5: My wife and I are blessed to be married seventeen years, 621 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 5: and I think a big reason that we have such 622 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 5: a great marriage is because we approach any problem we 623 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 5: have very rationally, Like you'll never catch me and my 624 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 5: wife being, like, you know, screaming about an issue like 625 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 5: that's not how you solve problems. So, like I guess, 626 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 5: to pin this all down, it's that we have to 627 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 5: remind ourselves to be the adults in the room and 628 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 5: to look at things very objectively and work on that. 629 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 5: For the overly emotional people, work on it, try to 630 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 5: work on having a more balanced response to things, because 631 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 5: your emotionality, if you look at your life, I want 632 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 5: to ask you where has it gotten you? Has it 633 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 5: gotten you anywhere positive? Or has it only led to 634 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 5: negative outcomes. When you look at the totality of your life, 635 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 5: you're going to trend negative. I guarantee you if you're 636 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 5: an overly emotional person, which means that if that's the 637 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 5: sense you get, you examine your life and you go, oh, yeah, 638 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 5: it's brought me mostly negative outcomes. I'm sure there's a 639 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 5: few positive, right, but brought you mostly negative ones. You 640 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 5: need to look at that mirror and go, Okay, it's 641 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 5: time to do that work, to peel back you know, 642 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 5: all this and get to a better place. 643 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: I love that he is. Robbie Starbuck, thank you so 644 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: much for coming on. We'll check out that video. I 645 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: actually needed to hear that today more than you would know. 646 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Robbie, thank you, thanks so much 647 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show. Subscribe wherever 648 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.