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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast featuring NFL Networks. Greg. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis, and I am joined by

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Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and yes,

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Speaker 1: NFL Networks, Greg Roles with all he's back with us.

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Speaker 1: What's up boys? Hey Dan? What a time to be

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Speaker 1: alive and be back. It feels like network, Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: I mean showing up on TV now in a full suit. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you're one of them. That's not I mean, what does

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Speaker 1: that mean that they were you wear a suit? You're

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Speaker 1: one of them. I was looking through my email, our

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Speaker 1: work email on Monday, and the videos come across in

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Speaker 1: their title, and two videos in a row come across

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Speaker 1: with the words NFL Networks. Greg Rosenthal starting the sentence,

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Speaker 1: it was, you know, ways in on brock Osweiler or something,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, forget about like r V g P.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna bev You're gonna be spinning off on your own.

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Speaker 1: It's just a matter of time now. So many side projects?

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Speaker 1: Is r VP um the yeah, I mean the Shadowy

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Speaker 1: a forresome the league figures they don't care. So we're

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Speaker 1: again as usual, fighting the good fight, even if it's

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Speaker 1: within our own wall. We're back, We're here. We got

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Speaker 1: a big time previous Thursday, which is good, and we've

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Speaker 1: got you know, the Sunday recap in the whole playoffs.

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Speaker 1: You know, this week it was a skilled attempt to

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Speaker 1: divert Well, yeah, i'ncomfortable. I bet it is, but no,

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Speaker 1: it's great to have you back, Greg, uh. And this

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Speaker 1: is a action packed Tuesday edition of the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL podcast that we have so much news to get

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Speaker 1: through because of course, the last time that we spoke

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Speaker 1: and now it is yeah, great Tuesday. But I mean

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Speaker 1: Black Monday. Was it was you know the ax? Well

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Speaker 1: that's fair, but I mean the ax fell heavily on Sunday. Literally,

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Speaker 1: no one was fired on Black Monday. It all happened, Uh, Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Is that historic? I believe. So it seems like it's

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Speaker 1: earlier earlier, But that doesn't mean there isn't a lot

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Speaker 1: through all the big news around the league. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: then we will check in on a couple of days

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Speaker 1: some house clean. I love doing house cleaning. I love

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Speaker 1: spring clean, I love actually cleaning my house. My wife

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Speaker 1: D about it. And that extends right to being podcast

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Speaker 1: host because time to clean house. What's going on with

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Speaker 1: the Forks? Check in on the Fork Committee? How did

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Speaker 1: we do this year? Oh, go get my lunch. Almost

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Speaker 1: everything has gone final final now for the season, So

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Speaker 1: we'll go through how everyone did with their sandwich props.

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Speaker 1: And also you know what's still hanging in the air

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Speaker 1: sixteen season. And uh and then at the end of

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Speaker 1: the show, I know, Mark, you have a score to

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Speaker 1: settle with another member company, So well we'll handle that

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Speaker 1: as well. Yes, get ready, Roger. But before we do

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Speaker 1: She was once a woman of modest means and now money, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, Hi, how's your car doing? Oh it's great?

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Speaker 1: Any storm born? Wait what that was a game of

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Speaker 1: Thrones refs catch up with the pop culture terms. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk Gary as well. I think it's admirable. Then she

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Speaker 1: You've gotten more than enough. You've got stacks of greenbacks

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Speaker 1: all throughout your having it. This is a story that's

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Speaker 1: the what's the new money thing? I forget that if

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Speaker 1: you missed like five minutes of just one show. It's

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Speaker 1: sometimes hard to catch why you don't miss anything, but

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Speaker 1: he he could tell he that you were a different person.

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Speaker 1: I like to Greg. He'll raise up straw man friends

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Speaker 1: can't big, big show. Damn right it is. We'll start. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you heard you heard this? The sniveling there the brock

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Speaker 1: a little dossier you leave him. How how far do

426
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Speaker 1: you have to dig out of this hole that you're

427
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Speaker 1: in right now? You can look at a team like

428
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Speaker 1: the Titans and say, you know, they were two and

429
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Speaker 1: fourteen last year, but they had Mariota and they had

430
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Speaker 1: that trade chip because they had a franchise quarterback. They

431
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Speaker 1: could turn that chip into a bunch of more draft picks.

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Speaker 1: Forty niners they have none of that. They have no nucleus,

433
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Speaker 1: they have no general manager, they have no coach, they

434
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Speaker 1: have no infrastructure. The hole that they've dug for themselves

435
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 1: is huge. Yeah, and it's like a five year old

436
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: And it goes back to stuff that Bill Belichick, you know,

437
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, tediously, maybe some may think, but he talks

438
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Speaker 1: about the fact that you don't take jobs when ownership

439
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: is a major concern. And a lot of a lot

440
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: of Bill Belichick so called disciples have turned down interviews

441
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Speaker 1: with certain teams when they don't trust the ownership that's

442
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Speaker 1: out there. And I don't know how you sell the

443
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Speaker 1: forty niners if you're York right now he says, oh,

444
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: we're not out to make money. Well, of course you're not,

445
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: because you're now paying what nearly seventy million dollars to

446
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: a crew of fired people. That is an unfathomable number.

447
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: It's it's unbelievable. But there, you know, I would I

448
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,239
Speaker 1: think we've been easy on the Browns. They've done them

449
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: very much the same thing where they're paying They were

450
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: paying Zinski for three different jobs at one point. Well,

451
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: it's yes, yes, Well, they do have interviews set up

452
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: with Josh McDaniels and Nick Cassario. So I think what

453
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: yet Jed York can sell now is we will get

454
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Speaker 1: out of the way of maybe a tandem. So I've

455
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: thought about it. They have the worst roster in the league.

456
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Speaker 1: But the more I think about it, I'd rather have

457
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: the forty Niners job than the than the Bills, because

458
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: the forty Niners don't have Doug Whalley and and and

459
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: at least it seems obvious, but Jed York basically apologized

460
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: to well, I guess I should have known, you know,

461
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: pairing Trent Balky, who's really defensive minded, with Chip Kelly,

462
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Speaker 1: who's offensive minded, and you know that maybe that wasn't

463
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: a great idea. Like I don't know why it took

464
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Speaker 1: you that long to figure that, Well, you're you're were

465
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Speaker 1: also assuming that he's caught up to speed. I think

466
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Speaker 1: he's he's continuing to learn on the fly. Said that

467
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Speaker 1: I would much rather have the bill. Well, I'm just

468
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: thinking if, for instance, if you were Josh McDaniels and

469
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: you could go there with Nick Cassario, or if you're

470
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Speaker 1: another coach who can go there with a GM. They

471
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Speaker 1: believe in that's better than any job with Doug Whaley

472
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: still starts at the top. Um. One more point about

473
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Speaker 1: the four Yearners is how quickly things changed. From two

474
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Speaker 1: thousand eleven through two thousand and thirteen. They went to

475
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: the NFL's equipment of the Final four all three years

476
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: almost won a Super Bowl and lost eleven games, and

477
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: three years under Harball. Since then eight and eight got

478
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: rid of Harball, five and eleven, two and fourteen, and

479
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: now this is where they are. And in one of

480
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Speaker 1: the reported interviews for GM, Lewis Riddick of ESPN, I

481
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: always I always kind of love it when media guys

482
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Speaker 1: like like when there was the Mayock interviewing with the

483
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: Raiders type of thing. You know, that's a little juice.

484
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: Former player Daniel Jeremiah interviews. Say are pel Daniel Jeremiah

485
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: in the early days of Twitter had a great Twitter account.

486
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: We were sorry to see move the sticks leave to

487
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: go go into some front offices. But now it's back

488
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: up and I think he does a podcast, but I'm

489
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: not sure. Uh. Moving on Sean Payton, it's that time

490
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: of year. Uh, you know, Christmas New Year's Sean Payton

491
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: connected to another job by than the Saints. Uh. He

492
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: shot down those rumors on some level. Uh. This week

493
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Speaker 1: on Monday, Uh said that any conversation that had been

494
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: reported on about a conversation with general manager Mickey Loomis

495
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: after the season finale, um, calling that completely false, that

496
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: it had something to do with his future. That's something

497
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: that we do after every road game. And then he

498
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: told the room of reporters, we're not going to address

499
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: rumors reports. If if we answered those every time, it

500
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: would be silly. My plan is to definitely be back here.

501
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: I have four years left on my contract in my

502
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Speaker 1: little briefcase. He didn't say that, and I plan on

503
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Speaker 1: honoring that. I think it's the at least the second,

504
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: if not the third year in a row where I

505
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: it was my turn to write a story and this

506
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: and it was the Sean Payton, you know, cannot believe

507
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: that this gossip is out there about him, And I

508
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: mean it's certainly. I think we've pegged at his age

509
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: agent driven in the past. And all I'll say is this,

510
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: because it's the same stuff we've said every other time.

511
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: He can keep saying this stuff boils up out of

512
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: thin air. The people inside that organization who know him well,

513
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: they know if that's true or not. It doesn't matter

514
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 1: if we know if it's true or not. They know

515
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, and he's got to walk around that building

516
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: and look his players and his fellow personnel people in

517
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: the face and and walk and then talk all go

518
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: out and say none of this is true. It doesn't

519
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: bring true to me and UM and other coaching news.

520
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: Chuck Bagano uh still has a job. Some people surprised

521
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: about that. Uh. He was asked if he uh if

522
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: he expects a change uh and losing his gig. He

523
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: said no, and then a reporter followed, this is based

524
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: on your confidence, and he replied, I just look at

525
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: things and it's always half full. And I don't have

526
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 1: any reason to believe why I wouldn't be your thoughts, Greg,

527
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: I would be worried about Chuck Bagano if I was

528
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: a friend or what do you get that when you

529
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: watch go watch the beginning of his press conference yesterday,

530
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: it was a rambling, tired, exhausted, over word minute, some

531
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: somewhat incoherent thing where he just seemed tired. And then

532
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: I think it looked like a guy who didn't know

533
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: if he was going to keep his job yet, and

534
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: and just the whole thing was wearing on him and

535
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: they and then I thought a key moment was they

536
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: asked him about was this a better than eight and

537
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: eight talent on the roster? And he just said he

538
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: just was like, well, that that's an interesting question. And

539
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: then he just kind of paused and like looked off

540
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: in the into the distance and never really answered it. Oh, well,

541
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: that's because he's thinking, is it really worth getting into

542
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: it with Griggs? And again for an entire just the

543
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: whole I think we're gonna have one more move, whether

544
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: it's a crazy coach trade. You know, Ian had kind

545
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: of slid it into a Sean Payton article that maybe

546
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: the charges could be interested in Ron Rivera at some point,

547
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: or whether it's Pagano. I still feel like there's gonna

548
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: be one more dominant. The one thing I will say

549
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: in Pagano's favor, what made it tough for him was

550
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: that he had yet to meet with or say right

551
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: and that why would you have that be the order

552
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: of things where you have to go face a pretty

553
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: riled up press corps asking about all this stuff, But

554
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: you can't really say for sure I have the confidence

555
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: of my owner or we're gonna be back, because you

556
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: don't know. And I think that'd be very tough to

557
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: answer those questions, right and and one of the questions was, well,

558
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: why why do you think that you you have what

559
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: it takes? Like why do you think this team has

560
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: has what it takes? You know, after this disappointed year?

561
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: And he goes, well, you saw it yesterday that come

562
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: back like yes, that come back against the Doug morone

563
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: three and thirteen Jaguars. That was what he said. He said,

564
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: that's my proof. Hey, there's Doug bron Jack. Walkers are tough,

565
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: by the way, you know who laughs at the fifteen

566
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: minute opening uh to truck boganis press conference. John Zick,

567
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: wherever you are John nineteen nineteen minutes and thirteen seconds

568
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: his infamous mid season press conference in two thousand fourteen.

569
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: Beat it who can get a filibustering Glacier Ice and

570
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: Ice pilibuster? Was it just him up there moving the

571
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: beads on his advocates back and forth. Basically? Uh? Speaking

572
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: of the Jets, offensive coordinator Chan Gailey announced his retirement.

573
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: You could read the tea leaves on this one. He

574
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: gave some uh statements last week leading up to this

575
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: that he he didn't think he was going to be

576
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: involved with the Jets going forward. This comes one year

577
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: after the Jets had a top ten offense with Ryan

578
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick at quarterback. But as we all know, everything changed

579
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: for New York this season, just the uh start of

580
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: the blood letting under Todd Bowles, who keeps his job.

581
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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks coach Kevin Patulo, running backs coach Marcel Shift, defensive

582
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: line to coach Pepper Johnson, the outside linebackers coach, the

583
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: defensive backs coach all let go. The team did hold

584
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: on to at this point defensive coordinator Casey Rodgers um.

585
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: But obviously, when this stuff happens, when they decided to

586
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: keep the coach who's on the bubble, it's always the

587
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: assistance that get whacked because the ownership demands some type

588
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: of changes or general manager. And that's what happened here.

589
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: And uh, the another former Jet A coach, Marty morning Wig,

590
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: who was the offensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens, he

591
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: will remain in that position. Mark, does that surprise you, Well,

592
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: it does because there were strong, you know, hints and

593
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: rumors that Greg Roman potentially, uh you know, I guess

594
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: a friend of the hardballs, you know, Bating, dating to

595
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: his time with Jim Harbaugh, was linked to that job,

596
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: and then they stuck with Marty. But but I find

597
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: it funny that the Jets, this is how these guys

598
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: circle around the league so much that someone that wasn't

599
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: good enough for the Jets a couple of years ago

600
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: now is good enough for a very consistent, forward thinking

601
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: Ravens team. So I can't I can't offer a question.

602
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: The only thing I say about Bowls is there are

603
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: other coaches in the league that would have not allowed

604
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: that to happen, that would have walked out of a

605
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: job before they fired half their staff, if not more

606
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: than their staff. As to whether eat, I'm just saying

607
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: that there are there. Sometimes those stalemates lead to the

608
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: coach leaving sometimes, but you know it should you know,

609
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: say say goodbye. Jan Kate, Jan Gailey, great career fun offenses,

610
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: was great career court. Yeah, as a as a as

611
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: a coach, I mean you're starting at the bottom. Coached

612
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: a couple of Super Bowl teams in Denver as an

613
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. I mean he got back Denver. Oh really

614
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: he he was the coordinator of the l Way, like

615
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: the end of the Lway era. Maybe it was just

616
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: one super one of the Super Bowls they lost. He

617
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: was the coordinator of the Steelers in the mid nineties

618
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: when they won some playoff game and I just kind

619
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: he turned Tyler Thigpen into a quarterback on something. Basically

620
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: brought the pistol to the NFL. Finally, the New York Giants,

621
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit of controversy around them because

622
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Speaker 1: after Sunday's game against the Redskins, several wide receivers, including

623
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. And Victor Cruz, flew to Miami to

624
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: party with Justin Bieber Trey songs. Uh, Johnny Manzel was

625
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: in the building. Really, he was in the club, and

626
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: that led to, uh, you know as you could. You

627
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: can imagine uh, bolton board material. I would think people

628
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: would get excited. Oh the packers though they see these

629
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: guys partying before the big playoff game, and west there

630
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: was you know, some people that agreed this was the

631
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: wrong thing for Odell and Company to do. Well. First

632
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: of all, you know, you hold up the Buffalo media

633
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: for the great job they've done and finding out, you know,

634
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: what the fans want getting answers. The New York media

635
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: for two years has made it its job to take

636
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: the best player on that team and every time he

637
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: does anything, turning into a controversy to the extent that

638
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Speaker 1: they were actually suggesting trading him in October, which seems

639
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: silly now. And now put a name to it who

640
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: said that. There was all kinds of people in New

641
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 1: York saying I don't know exactly who said it at

642
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: the time, but this Gary Meyer's article today is ridiculous,

643
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: suggesting that because Eli Manning is studying tape and these

644
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Speaker 1: guys are doing something in an off day which they

645
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: are free to do on an off day, what happened

646
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Speaker 1: if the trip turned into Gilligan's Island and the white

647
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Speaker 1: Outs got stranded. This is this is in the article

648
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: It's two thousand seventeen, No More Gilligan's Island Reefs. The

649
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 1: show went off the air literally like thirty eight years ago.

650
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Speaker 1: The suggestion that Eli Manning is studying tape while these

651
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: guys are out partying. Look, the only reason Eli Manning

652
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Speaker 1: is playing this week is because Odel Odell Beckham carried

653
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Speaker 1: him into January. The this is It bothers me using

654
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: a transcendent talent like Odell Beckham to catch passes from

655
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: the two thousand sixteen version of Eli Manning's like hanging

656
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: up and go in your garage. I'm not just surprised

657
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: at all that I love that this turned into an

658
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: Eli bash session, but I'm not well, this has a

659
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: hack take like Eli Manning studying tape. Give me a break.

660
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: Eli did the first thing all season that you would

661
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Speaker 1: have enjoyed. Chris when he was asked about this, saying

662
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: he was only disappointed they didn't pact better. And then

663
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: when they tried to press him even are and he

664
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Speaker 1: was like, come on, giving a break there. I thought

665
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Speaker 1: Eli handled out in New York. I thought Eli handled

666
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Speaker 1: it beautifully. They didn't invite Eli Manning. That's the concerning

667
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: bit for me, Well, there were several concerning things about it.

668
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Speaker 1: Why why is Justin Justin Bieber involve I mean, but

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Speaker 1: that's what they guys do now, and I just think,

670
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Speaker 1: like I'm not defending their choice and people to hang

671
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Speaker 1: out with or whatever, but it's there often you don't

672
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: want to bring eli. I'd like to know, like bringing dad,

673
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: like bringing dad to the bachelor party. Gary Myers is

674
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Speaker 1: doing on his off days when he's not becoming a

675
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Speaker 1: better writer. WHOA wow. By the way, we'll get Gary

676
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Speaker 1: on the show on Thursday. On April of this year,

677
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Speaker 1: it will mark the fiftieth anniversary of Killigan's Island going

678
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: off the air. CBS lived on in syndication, but they

679
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: are fifty years ago this April. Marianne has made well

680
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: more money than the four of us put together. That's

681
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: what's happening in the news. I didn't want to mention something.

682
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: Uh West and I we went out to dinner last night,

683
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: celebrated Uh and Greg celebrate well this is this is

684
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: this is West centric. So I didn't mean to, but

685
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: we celebrated Colleen's birthday with her. Dan was unable to

686
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: go all right, this was a clunky way to get

687
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: into this, but I I wanted to, uh, you know,

688
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: go speak with Wes about it. When when when I

689
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: got into work today and he had got up from

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Speaker 1: his desk and I found on his on on his

691
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Speaker 1: desk a piece of paper and it and this this

692
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: through me because essentially it was a window into the

693
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: fact that Wes uses Craigslist um two look for services,

694
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Speaker 1: fine services, offer services and advice. He had created what

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00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: I think is a Craigslist Dad. What does this have

696
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: to do with last night? I guess, well, I just

697
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: want to read what it was. It was probably improper

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Speaker 1: for me to take it, but let me read it

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Speaker 1: here alright. It goes like this, Sorry West, Uh dear

700
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Speaker 1: people of Craigslist, and to all with ears. Let me

701
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Speaker 1: regale you as I share a personal dream of mine.

702
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: Perhaps it will be your dream too. Here it goes.

703
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: Since I was a little boy in Cincinnati, Ohio, I've

704
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: always wanted to be part of a singing barbershop quartet.

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Speaker 1: Here's the problem, though, most of the half baked quasi

706
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: form quartets here in Los Angeles are essentially nothing more

707
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: than hipster types doing it for effect alone and not

708
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: for the music. In other words, clowns. Do they yearn

709
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: to gather with a group of fine singing gents to

710
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: wax lyrically about the Swannee River? Do they regularly join

711
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: with four or five other fellows crooning and belting out

712
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: tunes for well dressed people in the city square? Negative?

713
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: Do they dream of shifting seamlessly from old timey hits

714
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: like Alexander's Ragtime Band to Shine on Harvest Moon to

715
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: my personal favorite Genie with the light brown hair. They

716
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Speaker 1: do not, But I know that's what I'm meant to do.

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Speaker 1: The one issue, of course, is money. I need someone

718
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Speaker 1: who can lend a hand with managing the tremendous funds

719
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Speaker 1: and expenses that come with building and producing a large

720
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Speaker 1: scale singing troupe that will perform in Barber's Clothing and

721
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: Woe and Hats along the Sea. I'm just not sure

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Speaker 1: who can help with those kinds of questions. Sign up

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Speaker 1: for Mr Flames High School Economics class in the Hague,

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Speaker 1: the Netherlands today at ww dot flame class dot com.

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Speaker 1: You always wonder when it's gonna hook around to the

726
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: flame hook right. It always catches me just a little

727
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: bit by surprise. I don't know it would be an

728
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: expensive endeavor for West because he'd have to start with

729
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: singing lessons. Not a guy. No, that's why I think

730
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: you want to do things that you maybe don't, that

731
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: don't come easily to us. I would rather dump garbage

732
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: onto your garage, onto your driveway and then go pick

733
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: it up. Been singing a barbershop quartet. I don't buy

734
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: a word of it. Um. So there you have it.

735
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: Let's move on and uh yeah, it's time to uh

736
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: finish for the season. Our look at the four committee.

737
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: We can be in one last time. All right, guys,

738
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: here are the teams that we forked. Let's find out

739
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: if we were right. The New York Jets all in,

740
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: Saints feeling good, Jacksonville Jaguars, Cleveland Browns, Chicago Bears, San

741
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: Francisco forty Niners, A lot of bad teams, Arizona Cardinals,

742
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: Cincinnati BEng Gals, Carolina Panthers in the Los Angeles Rams

743
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: nine for nine. What does that say we weren't celebrations.

744
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it says something negative. It

745
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: might we didn't We didn't do the exercise the same way,

746
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: which I was fine with. We stopped it way before

747
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: we have in previous years, we stopped at the same

748
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: exact time. We we usually know that some years we

749
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: were going up to week thirteen, week four. I've heard it.

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Speaker 1: Last year, Yeah, maybe last year. Last year we cut

751
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: we had to cut it off at the same time.

752
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: But maybe a little too safe. And and and we're the

753
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: big winners. I guess because there's no uh, we're not

754
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: giving anybody to charity. Yeah, it's uh, it's a it's

755
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: an interesting dynamic. One Another way to look at that

756
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: charity is the big loser that's never good. Does the

757
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: does the segment get forked a year from now? I

758
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: guess we just got a man up a little bit.

759
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: I think we did play it a little safe this year.

760
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, going nine for now. If we would

761
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: have we twice nominated the Dolphins. Dolphins made the playoffs

762
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: that would have banged us, so little risk. The only

763
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: reason we stayed perfect is because you stuck up for

764
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: the Dolphins twice. Yes, something was wrong the needy and

765
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, those with with issues down in the Miami

766
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: area that might have profited from us contributing to a charity.

767
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: Have you to think Come at Dan Hansas on Twitter,

768
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 1: Come at me South Florida Vagrants. All right, let's move

769
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: on now, and uh it's time to dig in morehouse keeping.

770
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: Go get my lunch, Go get my lunch. Yes, another

771
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: year in the books. How long we've been doing this?

772
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: It's their fourth season or fourth soon, go get my lunch.

773
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: The whole time of lunch props, the same thing with

774
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: stick a fork in them. My name freshing up these

775
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: bits so you know, you know Freg as a friend

776
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: suggesting that, yeah, there's there is a thin line between

777
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: tradition and repetition, and I like, go get my lunch,

778
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: stick a fork, man, I could lose it. Okay, I

779
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: know you don't like it when we bring these things up,

780
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: Like if you're gonna say things like that, you should

781
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: bring up this is what we should do instead, Okay,

782
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: Greg the segment killer Ros, Yeah, some suggestions on new

783
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: segments would be great. Along with killing things, Greg wants

784
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: a format podcast and then sixty minutes of dead at

785
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: other segments. So I did it at my old job.

786
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 1: I don't even know. It's like it's about me, Greg

787
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: Rose with the audition, Why don't it What are you saying?

788
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: I started it so I get to kill it is

789
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: that what you're gonna that's a good way to that.

790
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: I went wasn't what I was thinking. Let's do it

791
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: slowly rounding into form with this new found power. It's

792
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: fantastic to you are very much networks. What's going on

793
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: in the green room these days? What happens there? What's

794
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: the buffet like there? It's delicious? All right, here we go.

795
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: Let's go through the props. Some of them we we

796
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: touched on halfway through the season, but I'll just quickly

797
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: go through all of them. Uh. We'll start with Kristof

798
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: westling Um. According to this he's eleven and thirteen and uh,

799
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: we already went over. Christen Michael in September is the

800
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: top five fantasy running back. Did not work out. The

801
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: leads the Seahawks and rushing which is a traveling staff.

802
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: He also was believe he was top ten at the

803
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: end of September and in fantasy was in the realm.

804
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: The Patriots won't leave lose another game all year. Starting

805
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: in week ten, two thousand sixteen, Garrett Block got stopped

806
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: at the goal line. He did so that cost you

807
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: two sandwiches to both Dan. One to Dan one to Mark.

808
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: The Colts will beat the Jets in a meaningless week

809
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: thirteen games? Sometimes did all these prop beeds sometimes pop

810
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: up out of nowhere? And I got a lot a

811
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: little excited about that was the easiest sandwich anyone want

812
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: on here? Well, we'll see, but it might be best

813
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: one one there. Uh, it's an interesting one. Mohammed Sanu

814
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: will finish seen with more touches and total yards than

815
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: Marvin Jones. Uh. We all took Greg West on that

816
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: and the breakdown was somewhat close. Uh. In fact, Sano

817
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: had more catches. I don't know about Russias, but he

818
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: had more catches outright fifty five. But Marvin Jones had

819
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: nearly a thousand yards nine thirty. Fine with that one.

820
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: I think that ste Sano had the better season, even

821
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: if his numbers weren't better, and he was more integral

822
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: to his offensive success, I think. But you're paying out

823
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: sandwiches yards, it's not a small margin. Jones won it

824
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: pretty pretty easy. Jones won all of that in September.

825
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: He was on pace for like a fifteen hundred yards

826
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: season three weeks seven. Chris Long has more sacks than

827
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones in Steen. That one not as close. That

828
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: was a stupid one. Chris lan finished with war sacks

829
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones eleven and a half eleven sacks. Um, So

830
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: that one cost you three sandwiches. De Marco Murray and

831
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry will combine from more rushing yards in the

832
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: NFL's rushing Leader. Uh, that was correct, But no one

833
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: took you on it, um, so we were smart not

834
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: to take Yeah. Well, actually Greg even lampooned the very

835
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: notion of that. Oh yeah, and I see Nick Fortier

836
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: does a great job, and go get my lunch. Dot

837
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Speaker 1: Org has this in green. I don't think that should

838
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Speaker 1: be given as a one sandwich if no one takes

839
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Speaker 1: you on it, right, No, he's just saying that, Zeke

840
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: Elliott wins Rookie of the Year. You're gonna get that.

841
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: Only Greg took you on it. That was after the

842
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: year had started and everybody was on the carson when

843
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: that was our halfway or a few weeks into the years. Yeah,

844
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: you probably gotta get that unless people get really crazy

845
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: and vote deck. But I'm pretty sure Zeke, you got

846
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: a sandwich from me on that. Tony Romo starts a

847
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: game in team, including the playoffs, so this isn't technically

848
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: over yet none of us took you on it. Right now,

849
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: he has not started a game and probably won't, so

850
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: that's always It was an interesting thing when when when

851
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: no one takes him on it, and then you know

852
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: we we weren't smart there. We should have Mark, even

853
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: Steven Sessler up had had a nice season. Here twelve

854
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: and seven, Mark, here we go, let's get into it.

855
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: Ben Watson tops eight yards receiving blue as Achilles in August.

856
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: Stand the only one to take that. I don't. I

857
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: think I was here for that podcast. I don't remember.

858
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: I think it was a one on one scenario, one

859
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: of those things that just popped. The Cardinals won't be

860
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: in the NFC title game. Uh, you got it right,

861
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 1: But none of us took you on because we all agreed. Uh,

862
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: Taj Sharp will lead all rookie wide receivers and receptions. Uh.

863
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: The winner there was by a long shot. Michael Thomas

864
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: had ninety two catches. Uh Sharp had I believe sixty

865
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: two something in that range. I believe number two. Uh

866
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: is Sterling Sharp Shepherd who had This is all kind

867
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: of guess work, but I can't. It was not a

868
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: great year. For rookie wide receivers. Uh, if there's someone

869
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: else in there, But I would say sharp excuse me. Uh,

870
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: so he did not have a big, big breakout year

871
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: uh past three on that as to all of us,

872
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota and Blake Bortles will throw more combined touchdowns

873
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: than Ben Roethlisberger and Joe Flacco. Uh, Greg and myself

874
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: took you up on that. They did not throw more.

875
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: How many can throw each duo through forty nine? So

876
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: they also did not throw less. They did not throw less,

877
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: but they through the same. Yeah, fascinating, But I don't

878
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: I don't quite see. My My thought was that our

879
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: first controversy, well, and I think you lose that that's obvious. Well,

880
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: of course Greg would say that being on the other

881
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: side of this, But I think it's a sandwich that

882
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: you split down the middle and Dan and Gregg can

883
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: share half of one half of the sandwich and I'll

884
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: take the other half. It is it is a tie. Well, Well,

885
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: how are we gonna come up with a sandwich that

886
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: both Dan and I, who like food, and you who

887
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: do not, you know, enjoy, Well, we can order to

888
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: have sandwiches and then you can shad Borders will throw

889
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: more touchdowns, did not throw more? You're not missing anything.

890
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: I don't well, okay, if they did not throw less,

891
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: but that's not what it was. It was throwing more.

892
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: All right, I'll give you your sandwiches, your animals staggles ridiculous.

893
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it is. It's like we can't even

894
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: see that. That's an interesting scenario. They talked. It is not.

895
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: It was not. It was not a conversation. We did

896
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: not talk about it. Top three sandwiches mark that in

897
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,479
Speaker 1: your life that you that you like. If I don't

898
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: want the sandwich, I don't like this place. I just

899
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: want to know three sandwiches that you like to eat.

900
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I couldn't name three. I mean I couldn't

901
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: care less. Thing is built around the desires of you three.

902
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: So for John eat food. The Seattle's Seahawks won't win

903
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: a playoff game in I like this one. They got

904
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: a Hawks got a very favorable matchup. Otherwise it would

905
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: have been a very good looking prop right. I don't

906
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: like how it's going to turn. All three of us

907
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: took you up on that, and then finally this see

908
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: this one just for style points, I would probably wave

909
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: the sandwich. Even when we win it, there will be

910
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: no super Bowl. That is more of a short thing

911
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: than the Seattle one. How about this, Your record looks good,

912
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: but you're about to lose Itaster, I'm essentially I'm the

913
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: Lions in Detroit in week thirteen is what I w

914
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: You're about to finish twelve and thirteen, even steven, that's

915
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: not even not even butty are and you don't seem

916
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: to understand that concept. Well, it wasn't even again, We'll

917
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: throw more Mark, more Lions could win the same I

918
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: don't like the way remember this for the upcoming off.

919
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: I am going to go back and listen to that

920
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: recording to see if there was any more context given. Okay,

921
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: speaking of even Stephen Gregg Rosenthalf, there's ten and ten

922
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: and this game means more to Greg than anyone else.

923
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: Let's face it, it's scratches, scratches an itch. If you

924
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: catch my drink, you're just you're just projecting because I'm

925
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: doing so much better than everyone that well, let's come

926
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: down badly. Look at the standings. That's what the Cowboys

927
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: won't win the NFC East And speaking of killing segments,

928
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: the mid season. Oh, we don't have anything to do today,

929
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: Let's just do uh sandwiches at mid season. We gotta

930
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: get rid of that a good look, right, you cannot.

931
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: It is the first time we ever did that. It's

932
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: a new rule on the show. You cannot try to

933
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: kill segments in the middle of a podcast unless you

934
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: have a replacement. Okay, lined up three times in a row,

935
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: by the way, I guess me in the mid season one,

936
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: why because you lost? That was the worst thing I've

937
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: ever heard that you made a terrible down your Why

938
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 1: did that come out of your mouth? Because I remember

939
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: because I threw something else out that was like too

940
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: easy that no one took. I don't remember what. And

941
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: so I just was trying to be part of part

942
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: of the game game showing too much brio. You're less

943
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: accountable than Doug Whaley. Greg. Oh, actually, I see what

944
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: it is and you well, we'll get to okay. JPP

945
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: will have a better season than Mario Williams. Uh, this

946
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: is based on a vote, but West, you are going

947
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: to waive the vote process and at this one. I

948
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: conceded this one at least a month ago, if not

949
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: even before that. That Mario Williams had disappeared right when

950
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: Jason Pierre Paul was starting to have a good season.

951
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: Mario Williams might even be out of the league next year.

952
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: JPP is gonna get a big contract. Uh. So that's

953
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: a win for Greg. Uh. The Saints or Panthers will

954
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. That was the big season one and

955
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: that's a good memory that, like you guys, everyone was

956
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: killing Well, no, here's what here's my point. But everyone

957
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: the whole reaction this is I'm just saying for later.

958
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: The whole reaction was like, oh, well, oh, you guys

959
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,959
Speaker 1: are just you're just playing it safe. You dummy will

960
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: never take you up on that, and you do not

961
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: even know you got goaded into it. That's part of

962
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: the game. Now, my point is where stupid point? We're stupid. Well,

963
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't understand why you're so upset about this. I

964
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: I'm lost. I like your fire. I don't understand what's

965
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: happened to States or Panthers will make the playoffs. No

966
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: one took you up on it, so right, everyone said

967
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: it was way too obvious that of course one of

968
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: those teams will make it. That that was my point.

969
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: Is that not a good look a bunch of empty

970
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: brackets here where no no one took you up. Broncos

971
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: won't make the playoffs in and we all agreed with you,

972
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: and they didn't make We were plugged it on the

973
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: Broncos all year. Jamis Winston, we'll finish and this is

974
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: where you're get in trouble. Jamis Winston will finish sixteen

975
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: in the top five for passing yards. I don't have

976
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: the numbers in front of me, but Nick Fortier, has

977
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: you marked and read which means a loss? Well, Nick,

978
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: for you know he didn't markets. He was the first

979
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: player ever to throw for four thousand, two years, but

980
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: he only finished twelve amazing four thousand yards. That's twelfth places.

981
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: Is that right? Four thousand ninety Eli actually went over

982
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: four thousand, he's thirteen. Well, I mean that's a future

983
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer west four yards at a time. Eli

984
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: went over four. Um, there's the Buccaneers and another NFC

985
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: South team will make the playoffs. It's pretty close almost,

986
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: but not quite right. The Bucks uh could not hold

987
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: on against the Cowboys in Week fifteen, and then if

988
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: they just beat the Saints they would have made the playoffs.

989
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: Cost you six sandwiches and you knew it as soon

990
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: as you said it. They got close, all right. Now,

991
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 1: the old Zeuser, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be watching

992
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: Dan's introduction to Dan very closely. Here the old Zeuser

993
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: also fourteen and fourteen, making you also what what? Even Steve?

994
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 1: I was labeled as even my current record is twelve

995
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: and seven, so that is maligning me when it is

996
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: actually you are the king, even Stephen. Here you have

997
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: the most wins and losses that are tied. It is you.

998
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: You're about to be below even Stephen. I was trying

999
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: to be nice, but okay, Larry Fitzgerald will finish with

1000
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: under eight catches in West and I that was a

1001
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: little battle. Larry fitschald led the NFL with I believe

1002
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: a hundred and seven. And now I will say this,

1003
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: I have no problem losing this bet. I love Larry Fitzgerald,

1004
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: and I still stand behind the logic that you didn't

1005
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: even want to do it, that was even want to

1006
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: be against him this year. That was supposed to be

1007
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: an explosive offense with a bunch of playmakers on wide receiver,

1008
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: and then he turned out to be the other only one.

1009
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: How do you did you did a great job there.

1010
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: It's worth noting, though, if Dan chooses to predict that

1011
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: the downfall of an all time great next season go

1012
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: against him, that's true. Alright, alright, here we go. The

1013
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: Patriots won't have a first round by in the playoffs. Uh,

1014
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: this is called season one. Too. Used to be with me.

1015
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: That was the beginning of the season. Either way, come on,

1016
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: that was an onion hanger. Greg Mark and west All

1017
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: took me up on it. That was the easiest one.

1018
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: That was the easiest decision I made in all of them.

1019
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: I hope you pleased about yourself. The Packers will score

1020
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: over five Wow. You know what's interesting with this? That

1021
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: was horrifically embarrassing. Halfway through the season they probably scored

1022
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: about four eighty years, so right by the end of

1023
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: the season for seventy the Packers will score over three

1024
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: more games. Away from more onion hanging. I thought, that's

1025
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: good for fourth in the NFL. It's not like they

1026
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: were bad, and they were probably twenty in the NFL

1027
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: in the beginning of December, so at least they made

1028
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: it respectable. But yeah, I thought, and a lot of

1029
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: other people thought that. By the way, see how I'm

1030
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: being fair about what's going on. You're being extremely fair.

1031
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: The packers I thought they would be historic and they

1032
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: were not. Okay, Now to a f C West teams

1033
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: excluding the Broncos will make the playoffs. Oh that's a

1034
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: three sandwich victory beat Greg Mark and West. Chomp, Chump, chomp.

1035
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: That was a great call. Chump. I still think that

1036
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: anytime someone offers a one of those kind of sandwich

1037
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: wagers that you take that every time you that might

1038
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: be the best one. And I think that's the best.

1039
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: So when anyone, well, that's an accomplishment, you win an award,

1040
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, We'll give you a sandwich. Cult

1041
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: Speeding the Jets might be the best one in my book, Lamar,

1042
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: you're you're invan of me that march. No, not at all,

1043
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: but that isn't Sorry for reflection, Lamar Miller will finish

1044
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: with over fifteen hundred yards from scrimmage. He did not

1045
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: have a great year. He was kind of banged by

1046
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: his offense a little bit, and he had injuries down

1047
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: the stretch. I think he still finished around thirteen hundred,

1048
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: but I lost Mark and West. Gregg did not take

1049
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: me up on it. I do think and I'm not

1050
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: saying this in any and I promise you I'm not

1051
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: saying this as a job it. Lets jab at the

1052
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: readers and put him in making the leap again for

1053
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: the third time next summer, speaking sixty one yards less

1054
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 1: than he had in the previous two seasons. Yeah, offense,

1055
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: I wish Brocas wasn't a train wreck. That could have

1056
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 1: been a different offensive. You almost got this next time

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00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: to segment kill making elite. The Detroit Lions will win

1058
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 1: the NFC North in All I needed was a week

1059
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: sep victory and I would have had three You that

1060
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: happening and the Packers scorings that's true? Whatever who cares?

1061
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: Uh so close and yet so far cost me three

1062
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: sandwiches from the whole group. Moving on, Let's save handsome

1063
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: Hank for last. Okay, moving on, Sydney Carlson. Yes, whenever,

1064
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: whenever any of us are in trouble, we could always

1065
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: depend on the predictions from behind the glass. Uh, new

1066
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: money predicted what new money? What was your prediction? Would

1067
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 1: leave the league in sacks? And here's the thing, this

1068
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: was the perfect year to pick someone like a Ziggy

1069
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: Ansa to lead the league, cause I think all you

1070
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: needed was fourteen fifteen and a half fifteen and a half.

1071
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: It was not usually it's it's in the range of

1072
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty one in that in that area, but

1073
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: this year was a little on the lower side. But

1074
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: how many sid did ziggy Ansa? Finished with two? So

1075
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: that cost you four sandwiches? Um? So, but here's the thing,

1076
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: you're infinitely rich, So what does it matter to you? All? Yeah,

1077
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: typically feel guilty about the producer having to buy food

1078
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: for us at all, but not this time for sandwiches

1079
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: is not enough. There still sends us sandwich is like

1080
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: once every few months, even though he doesn't even know

1081
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 1: us be anymore. That's true, all right? And uh, finally,

1082
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: can we get Handsome Hank on the phone. We've got

1083
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: to discuss some business. He's in his office. He has

1084
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: a third floor office, now you guys aware of it. Hello,

1085
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: Hadsome Hack, what's up? Or Henry Hotson? Excuse me? Welcome

1086
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: to me around the NFL podcast. Wow, thank you, don Um.

1087
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: That's nice. How are things doing on the third floor?

1088
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: It's it's good, thank you. I just have my lunch

1089
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: delivered to me, ask can attest to and and yes,

1090
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: so life life's pretty good, all right. So we're going

1091
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: through all the go get my lunch props and there's one,

1092
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: as anyone that he follows us both on Twitter is

1093
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: aware of, um that there's some there's some heat about

1094
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: one of these props. And it was the one that

1095
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: you had this season. It was just between you and I.

1096
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: So let's figure it out. Um, no free agent quarterback, Uh,

1097
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: Henry predicted, and that was a group that included r

1098
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: G three Sam Bradford, count Kaepernick, brock Osweiler, Chase Daniel

1099
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: and Ryan Fitzpatrick will lead their team to the playoffs.

1100
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: And Um, luckily for me, brock Osweiler of the Texans

1101
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: took his team to the postseason. So's sandwich. He took

1102
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: his team to the postseason. Well, he was the quarterback

1103
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: of the Texans. They are in the playoffs. He's starting

1104
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: in the playoff game, so that is the sandwich for me.

1105
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: He but he he was the quarterback when they made

1106
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Uh, he was the quarterback for essentially of

1107
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: the season. Um, he had a little hiccup with his

1108
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: play specifically when they made the playoffs. But well no,

1109
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: maybe not that one game when he got benched, but

1110
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: and now he's and now he you say he's playing

1111
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: and the Raiders because he is, because he's the leader

1112
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: of or because the quarterback that they chose ahead of

1113
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: him got concussed. So who led? Who led the Texans

1114
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: to the playoffs? Randy Bullock Tom Savage was the starting

1115
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and what is lead? Savage pulled them out of

1116
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: Oswaller's mess against the Jaguars, and that's why they're in

1117
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: the playoffs. If ject some common sense into this, the

1118
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: texts literally made the playoffs in spite of brock Osweiler,

1119
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: in spite of yes, you're not breaking news that brock

1120
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: Oswiler stinks. All right, well, I think it's beneath you

1121
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: to take this position. Now here's the thing. This is

1122
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: a lesson for for Hank. Alright, so listen, Hank, and

1123
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: I know you probably have the power to fire deliver messages.

1124
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: A message and a lesson for me. Here's the lesson. Okay,

1125
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: when you do sandwich props and this was your first one.

1126
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: One of the most important parts of it is the

1127
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: wording of it all. And uh by saying that no

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00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: free agent Cuba will lead their team to the playoffs,

1129
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: lead is nebulous, and Damna Check downstairs sided with me

1130
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: on this, and uh so if it's nebulous, how are

1131
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: you claiming a victory because nebulous for everyone? Well, I'm saying,

1132
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying you're a nebulous You have a nebulous viewpoint

1133
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: on it because you don't know exactly what that means.

1134
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: You can't tell me I do. I means he's on

1135
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: the team. At my point I'm looking at it is

1136
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: in my view got the team. That's the qualification that

1137
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: Braxton Miller's on the team, the quarterback. No free agent

1138
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: quarterback will lead their team. He's on the team. Now

1139
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm on the team. That's all they have to do.

1140
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: You're Mr nebulus, What do you want from me? I

1141
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: don't really buy into West's thing totally that they dragged

1142
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,479
Speaker 1: them to the playoffs. But it doesn't matter which actually happen.

1143
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: But I don't think it needs to be subjective that

1144
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: the fact is he was benched and he was no

1145
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: longer the quarterback in the two games that comeback victory

1146
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: against Jacksonville and the week that clinched the plaffs. He

1147
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: was no longer at the quarterback when they clinched the playoffs,

1148
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: So it's a cut and dry there's no subjectivity about that.

1149
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: The props would have been greg more than that. Dan.

1150
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: You know, he basically last week he capitulated and said

1151
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: it looks like he won this one because brock Oswiler

1152
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: did not lead them to bluff. But then suddenly erroneous

1153
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: come Monday morning, when it was announced that Tom Savage

1154
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: would be would not be able to play in a

1155
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: playoff game, Dan suddenly brings it back up again as

1156
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: though he hasn't has a live argument Henry. Henry is

1157
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: a third floor and sometimes people on the third floor

1158
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: they get up there because they're a little cunning, and

1159
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, they do things to get ahead. And

1160
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: this case, Henry is lying. He's lying straight straight out.

1161
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: I said, in your office, we will let h an

1162
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: independent arbiter, decide this. And then you went to West,

1163
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: who is out to get brock Oswiler for the about

1164
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: the last five months, who's been more right about brock

1165
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: Oswlder than me? I suggest I suggested it's about me.

1166
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: I suggested, Damna check he went to get me. Well,

1167
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: well we'll get to that, but you shot that down.

1168
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: Why don't we have a vote of the your listeners

1169
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: and around the NFL podcast. Let them decide that would

1170
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: work for me, that will work for me. You're being

1171
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: too kind, Henry, now, even though you have logic and

1172
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: reason on your side. The good news is that you're

1173
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: around the NFL podcast listeners, who are all an incredibly

1174
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: intelligent bunch will have now heard this conversation and we'll

1175
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: be able to make their minds up based on on

1176
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: a good argument and one which is is spurious and

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01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: all over the place. Um, you mentioned like sometimes people

1178
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: get to the third floor by cunning and could you

1179
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: just name some examples. One last thing I'll leave to

1180
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: the listeners before we move on. Uh, it was not

1181
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: who was the quarterback when a team clinched a playoff Berth.

1182
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: It was the quarterback who will leave the team nebulous

1183
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: terms into the playoffs, into the into the play here

1184
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: he was the starter for eight of their nine wins.

1185
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: That this is not part of the car and is

1186
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: now The starter is not which quarterback will lead the

1187
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: team into the bowels of hell. It was. I mean

1188
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with the prop You gotta

1189
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: separate your feelings about brock oswayers a player. As I

1190
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: said in the news, remind remember when Trent Richardson led

1191
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: the Colts to the playoffs while he got pitched. It's

1192
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's it's a ridiculous position to think.

1193
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: And I appealed to our listeners for common sense, which

1194
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: is missing in half of this discussion. This one, this

1195
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: one has really gotten under West's because I hate not

1196
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: using common sense. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever

1197
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: against Brock Coswiler, the worst quarter in the NFL this season,

1198
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: led the Texans to the playoffs, an insult to Commons

1199
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: brock Coss Wilder. I'm Wes, you know, come on, you're

1200
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,439
Speaker 1: not independent on this. I think if yeah, I think

1201
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: you should probably from here on out, you should be

1202
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: the one standing in brock Oswiler's court corner. And I

1203
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: hope he ends up being the jets starting starting quarterback.

1204
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: He not, He is not a good quarterback. But under

1205
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: the terms of this sandwich prop, I believe I am

1206
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: the winner, but the well the listeners aside, and I

1207
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: will I will whatever it comes out. I will stand

1208
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: by that. I will say that one of the one

1209
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: of the favorite things on earth is any sort of

1210
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: Henry and uh Dan Beef. It is fantastic because you

1211
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: think out of the gate that Dan's taking control and

1212
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: then suddenly Henry starts to throw flaming daggers back at

1213
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: everyone and then Dan everyone, Well, it's love it, um, Henry.

1214
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: Speaking of daggers, you threw one at your podcast co

1215
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: host Dave Damashek in a tweet last week when you

1216
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: you congratulated us on our show and then you said

1217
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: that we are we have the best podcast, which was

1218
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: very nice of you, Thank you, but of course that

1219
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: led to a major schism within your ranks. Well, I look,

1220
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm as you guys know, I'm a huge

1221
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: fan of the podcast. I've been a supporter since day one.

1222
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: I love to listen to every show. We we You

1223
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: and I talked back and forth about it, and I

1224
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: just was, you know, excited you guys got to number

1225
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: five hundred and and I wanted to help you celebrate.

1226
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: And Dave saw things differently. Well, I mean, Dave's not happy. Well,

1227
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: he's not happy, and we appreciate the support, and we

1228
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: are men. There's four of us, Yeah exactly, And I

1229
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: know that you guys apart from down apparently we'll stand

1230
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: behind me. In any conversation I have with Dave about this, No,

1231
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,439
Speaker 1: absolutely Dave changes his mind, in which case down will

1232
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: stand behind me. Well there's a chance now because I

1233
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: brought this up, the anger will transfer to me, um

1234
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: and you'll be up the hook and I will be

1235
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: the one getting I think you're flattering yourself if you

1236
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: think Dave listens to your podcast, well now he hears.

1237
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: It's called Twitter. Okay. By the way, all right, I'm

1238
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: done with you. You're done. What do you mean? Thank you,

1239
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: Thanks and on the show. Great speaking to you guys.

1240
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: Thank you for common sense from the room. Here's one

1241
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: of here's one of the great things about the old Zeuser.

1242
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's four against one. If I

1243
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: believe in my cause, I'll take you all on this,

1244
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: all three of you in here, the englishman ups there.

1245
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: I believe in what I believe. I just enjoyed the

1246
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: inflammatory uh back and forth between you two. I'm not

1247
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: really bought into who again it's sandwiches, give me a break.

1248
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: I just enjoyed that Dan created a new sound drop

1249
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: for himself. Here's the great thing about the old Zeus.

1250
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: Put that one ready. The confusing part is I'm still

1251
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: not sure if you believe the position you've taken. Listen,

1252
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: little nebulous isn't hashtag show business. Uh, let's let's move move,

1253
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: He says, people don't believe in their own take that

1254
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: you want to talk about heat. One of the great

1255
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: all time moments of the show is whenever West challenges

1256
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: uh Greg's sincerity with something he says that gets under

1257
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 1: Greg's skin. Well, I may have been wrong about some

1258
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: of Greg's positions, but I really am confused as to

1259
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: whether you're taking this position. I feel like it's gonna

1260
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: as soon as this shows over, you're gonna forget it

1261
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: ever happened. Maybe maybe not right now. I stand by

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Speaker 1: it absolutely at this point. Right now, it's like Mark's

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Speaker 1: Bob Costas love. No, that is not accurate, but we

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Speaker 1: don't have time to get into that, all right, before

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Speaker 1: we go, speaking of Beef's, this is turning into a

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Speaker 1: beef fest, a beef ARRONI. Um, Mark, you you had

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Speaker 1: approached the group and or at least me, and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: I got something I gotta straighten out with my boss,

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Speaker 1: who is not Greg anymore, but David Ealely are downstairs

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Speaker 1: news editor. Um, and uh I figured you know, let's

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Speaker 1: let's talk it out right here. Get get Dave on

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Speaker 1: the line. It wouldn't be fair to lob grenades a

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Speaker 1: Dave without him having a chance to answer to it.

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Speaker 1: So let's get let's call downstairs to the news room.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully there's no break. Is there any breaking news right now? Greg?

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01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't see any now, okay, so you should be

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Speaker 1: able to talk with us. Really, what's up Dan Hansas

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01:07:55,080 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast? How you doing, buddy? I'm busy,

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01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: the old David. I'm sure, I'm sure you're very busy. Man.

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01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to get out of the way here. Uh,

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01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: Mark Cecil would like to speak with you and uh

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01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: set something straight. So here's Mark. Well, hi, Dave. Um,

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01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: I don't you know I didn't want this to happen

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01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: in a way where we would just be up here

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01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: piling on our super my supervisor and West a supervisor.

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01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: That didn't seem like the coacher way to handle this.

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01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: But a little something happened earlier today and thought we

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01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: could could discuss that. Where are you, by the way, Dave,

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Speaker 1: Can you get somewhere where there's a little bit of

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01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 1: a less background noise you want me to step away.

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01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in the middle of here. I'll turn my

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Speaker 1: TV TV down, you know, I'm trying to take that

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01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: would help you were just trying to be at This

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01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: is important though, So here we go, all right, go ahead,

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01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: all right, So to break it down, and I mean,

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01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: Neily has been a very fair boss and uh you

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01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: know it really had no issues on any level with

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Speaker 1: him until this morning when I was tasked with writing

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Speaker 1: a pretty mundane Lions Seahawks playoff preview, which you know,

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01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: it was a nuts and bolts piece. Did the best

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Speaker 1: I could with it, added a little personality, but came

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01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: out of it thinking why not, Why not a great

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01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: time to use a completely a different byline than my

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01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: own name, which, uh, you know, I think it's a

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01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: completely fair thing to do. I wasn't. I didn't really

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01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: want necessarily my name attached to it. So I sent

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01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: it into the desk and and asked them to please

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01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: assign the name Tammy Kim Grimes Tammy dat Tammy hyphen

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01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: Kim Grimes, uh to the post iteration of the fake name. Right. Well,

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01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: I went through a couple of different names which I

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01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: work shopped actually with Dave over our I am client,

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01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 1: so he was aware this wasn't catching him by surprise.

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01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 1: Other writers on the thing thought it was a good

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01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: idea and was forward thinking, and uh, you know, sent

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01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 1: it in and that's it did not go well from there. Yeah,

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01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: well I thought I thought we were just joking around.

1317
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,719
Speaker 1: So once I caught win that you actually serious about

1318
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: this endeavor, I had to kind of put an end

1319
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: to it. I mean, I have, first off, I want

1320
01:09:58,240 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: to make sure that you get the metrics for this

1321
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 1: the banger that's going to hit the internet on Thursday morning,

1322
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to look out for you numbers. But

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01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: why why are you holding until Thursday morning? He already

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01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: sent it in. You get a whole another day of

1325
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: of I'm not Greg, I'm not sure how you did

1326
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: things when you were in charge of planning to rollout

1327
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: to things and everything like that. So Thursday, the Sundays, Friday, Well,

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Speaker 1: one thing I know is that the name on top

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01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: of the articles didn't really make a big difference. You know,

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01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: people are either clicking or not. Well, I don't like

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01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: to hear that, particularly from either. I think it's just

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01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: it was my choice. I'm not I'm not looking for

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Speaker 1: metrics when I'm saying, make this an article by Tammy

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Speaker 1: Kim Grimes. And you know, if I don't know if

1335
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Speaker 1: you ever heard of someone named Samuel Langhorne Clemens, but

1336
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 1: he was given full you know, entrede to create a

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01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: false name for his writing, a pen name, if you will.

1338
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: But I feel a tad stifled by my current supervisor

1339
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: in this dynamic. I'm sorry if you felt my my

1340
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 1: foot was a little too stern. But you know, sometimes

1341
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: bosses have to make uncomfortable decisions. You have made some

1342
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: excellent points. Really unfortunately, precedent is working against you in

1343
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: this situation. Throughout the two thousand thirteen season, under leadership

1344
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: of one Greg Rosenthal, we were permitted to write articles

1345
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 1: that had on the byline lyle the around the NFL

1346
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: intern Yeah, particularly disgraceful content that we didn't want anything

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01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 1: to do. Let's just put a no. I mean, much

1348
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: like most NFL teams are shaking teams up this time

1349
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: of year, I mean I feel like maybe there's a

1350
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: need to shake up the around the NFL section and

1351
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: kind of add some a certain level of professionalism that

1352
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: wasn't whoa Greg, I'll no hand this beef over to

1353
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: crag it's beefest. That is that David Eally or or

1354
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels with the Broncos. You know, sometimes you gotta know,

1355
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: you gotta know what what's gonna you know, upset a guy,

1356
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: what's gonna make them a little happy year too? To

1357
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 1: be working? You know, it's called nuance. No which battles

1358
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: to pick? Is this really that big of a deal.

1359
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: Do I want to upset such a hard worker like

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01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler? Is it worth it? Maybe I could have

1361
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: a little fun in life much less, Tammy Kim Grimes.

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01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: I believe that we've had plenty of fun in the

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01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: same I mean, I just I thought that, I mean this, this,

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01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: this hasn't been made. I mean, there's there's there's no

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01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: Mark Suessler's name will be on that story. I was,

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Speaker 1: I was having fun until I was dismayed to learn

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Speaker 1: that I'm simply a number under your leadership. I thought,

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01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: I said that Mark Sessler was a destination, and I

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01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: believe that Chris leslie As was a destination, a value

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Speaker 1: in that name, and and itly's defense. First of all,

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Speaker 1: agreed to come on, thinking of all, he you have

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01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: to have a code as a boss, and you have

1373
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: to lay down the rules. He's what he's doing here,

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01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: He's saying this is how it's gonna be. And the

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01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 1: old boss I didn't think was necessarily competent. And I'm

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01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 1: changing there. I have to I have to accept what,

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01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 1: you know, his ruling. I'm not here to, you know,

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01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: create further controversy. I am as slightly disappointed, but I accepted. Okay,

1379
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 1: you know, you know we're gonna play aggressive on defense.

1380
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna attack the stick. We're going to try to

1381
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: win some games. All right, thank you for that day.

1382
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: And we're gonna keep Mike Schuld as our offensive coordinator.

1383
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: God help God willing. All right, David Eally, thank you

1384
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: for joining us. A good one. All right. That's enough

1385
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: naval gazing for one show. But we we got to

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01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:24,759
Speaker 1: the bottom of it. Well is you know again Mark

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01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: and Wes working under Eally. It's a solid dynamic, but

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01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: also one fraught with a bit of tension, and that

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01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: again bubbled up today. And then of course there's a

1390
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: dynamic of the old boss and the new boss. There's

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01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: more heat there as well, much more I think shouldn't

1392
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: be And I'm just on a perch kind of watching

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01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: it all or in the middle of the pot stirring

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01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: it potential. Alright, that's it for Tuesday's edition of the

1395
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast. Remember we will you know, vote

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01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: on the prop between Hank and I side with the

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01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: true common sense, a true common man, the old juser

1398
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: from a cold town, or you could side with a

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01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: guy yeah that grew up in Oxford. Uh, you know

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01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: it's uh you know, um, but this is really isn't

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01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: about regional uh upbringings. It's it's about the truth and

1402
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: and who deserves the sandwich. And I believe I do.

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01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: It took took in only fifty nine minutes to get

1404
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: xenophobic on the podcast The Old SUSA. Um, you know,

1405
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: four against one not a problem if you believe what

1406
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: you believe. I don't even know where you're getting four

1407
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: against one, but you well, let's not stop the myth

1408
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: building at this point. We will be back on Thursday

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Speaker 1: with a preview of the wild card round of the playoffs,

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01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 1: so make sure uh you check in with us, and

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01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: we might have another old friend join us at some

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01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: point during the show. Um, but thank you to everyone

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01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: for listening. Make sure you leave reviews and star ratings.

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01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: On iTunes and uh hopefully just a little teaser or

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Speaker 1: we're hoping this will also be on Periscope the Thursday show. Uh,

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Speaker 1: so keep your eye out for that. Okay, until then,

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Speaker 1: this is the hands of signing off for Quiet Storm.

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Speaker 1: He's the mailman, is the old boss and new money

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Speaker 1: behind the glass. It's toop Thursday. M