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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Hoard and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast The I'm Wonderin addition, as I

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Speaker 1: discussed the team's ambitious offseason goals with one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite Bengals analysts and content creators, Joe Goodberry, but first

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Speaker 1: punter Ryan Rico joins me to look back at his

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Speaker 1: record setting rookie year. The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought

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Speaker 1: go to Twitter or x whatever you call it these days,

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Speaker 1: first guest this week, Punter Ryan Rico made a quick

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Speaker 1: trip to Cincinnati from his home in Utah to sign

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Speaker 1: a two year contract extension. Not bad for a guy

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Speaker 1: who wasn't even on the roster when the Bengals open

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Speaker 1: training camp last year. I talked to Ryan about that

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Speaker 1: and what turned out to be a record setting rookie year. Ryan,

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Speaker 1: after your outstanding rookie year, it's easy to forget that

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Speaker 1: you were not on the team for the first day

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Speaker 1: of training camp. You missed like the welcome speech from

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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor and stuff like that. As NFL training camps opened.

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Speaker 1: What was your confidence level that ultimately you would get

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Speaker 3: That was that was a pretty stressful summer. And then

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Speaker 3: you can't not see like report day everybody coming in

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Speaker 3: wife just kept telling me like, no, we're We're gonna

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Speaker 3: be ready. There will be a call. And it took

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Speaker 1: You joined the Bengals on day three of training camp.

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Speaker 1: There were three punters in camp at the time. What

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Speaker 3: I really at that point, I wasn't thinking about odds.

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Speaker 1: So they let Austin go after about a week, and

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Speaker 3: Obviously, like you hate to see your friends not not

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Speaker 3: now have to be looking at week one. We're going

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Speaker 1: If Darren told you to be ready for week one,

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Speaker 1: you were ready for Week one. You probably had the

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Speaker 1: greatest punting debut in NFL history. This is not hyperbole.

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Speaker 1: You punted four times against the Patriots. Fifty seven yards

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Speaker 1: It's the best average for anybody who's punted four times

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Speaker 1: in a game in NFL history. After that game, what

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Speaker 1: did that do for your confidence level and the belief that,

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Speaker 3: I think obviously it was just really really grateful, because

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Speaker 3: picture that or imagine that, like that was just an

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Speaker 3: And then at that point, I remember I was happy,

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Speaker 3: But then it was like, Okay, I got to keep

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Speaker 3: proving that one week doesn't make a great punter or

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Speaker 1: We're visiting with Ryan Rico. In Week three, against Washington,

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Speaker 1: you didn't punt. Several weeks after that, against Philadelphia, you

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Speaker 1: didn't punt again. You shared an interesting story with me

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no. My dad started to make the joke.

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Speaker 3: He's like, Hey, tell everybody on the team, if we

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're never I always want to punt. I

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Speaker 1: You still had to do the other half of your job,

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely so, they at least coet have seen me

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Speaker 3: see enough kicks there. But it was definitely a unique

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm not doing anything right now.

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Speaker 1: Basically, so, in your rookie year, you set the team

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Speaker 1: previously held by Kevin Huber. Did you get to interact

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw Kevin a few times. He was there

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Speaker 3: during training camp, I think when all three of us

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Speaker 3: you want to look at the formula for being a

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Speaker 3: successful punter in the NFL and especially here in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: He's kind of the guy that has done it. So

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Speaker 3: I'm definitely looking forward to getting to interact with them

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Speaker 3: more and honestly just picking his brain because he's I know,

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Speaker 1: You're both golfers, so I could see that happening down

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Speaker 1: the road. He holds nearly all of the Bengals punting

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Speaker 1: lot of these records is Lee Johnson. Punted at Byu.

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Speaker 1: You punted at Byu. Do you have a relationship with him?

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Speaker 3: I absolutely do. So Ever since I got to Byu Lee,

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Speaker 3: the last couple of years I was, and so throughout

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Speaker 3: And so then when I was going through the combine

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Speaker 3: I was back in the facility, Lee has the most

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Speaker 3: energy I've ever seen out of anybody. Pretty Much, He's

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Speaker 3: first game? Are you kidding me? And so he's just

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Speaker 3: been nothing but supportive. He's given me a lot of

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Speaker 1: It was a tremendous year, but there were some rocky moments.

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Speaker 1: There always will be during the course of an NFL season.

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Speaker 1: The first thing that comes to mind was the Baltimore game.

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Speaker 1: Over time, you line up to kick a game winning

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Speaker 1: field goal, the operation isn't clean, Evan McPherson misses it

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Speaker 1: the game. The replay focuses in tightly on you struggling

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Speaker 1: it hard to sleep that night? What was the rest

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time, Congrats on the new deal, look forward

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Speaker 2: holes in their game, and every player does. But it

434
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Speaker 2: makes me reevaluate when I see who gets extended around

435
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 2: the league, and I say, you know what, the real

436
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 2: plan I see these successful teams do is pay your stars,

437
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 2: figure out the rest, pay your stars, and draft and

438
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: hope for the best and just try to find value

439
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 2: free agents out there. And if that's your plan for

440
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Speaker 2: the Bengals, and let's face it, I have questioned what

441
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 2: is the plan since twenty twenty one. It felt like

442
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Speaker 2: let's gear up and get over the hump in twenty

443
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Speaker 2: twenty one twenty twenty two type thing, and then twenty

444
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Speaker 2: twenty three was like, yeah, we're not really sure where

445
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 2: we're kind of in between here, and then twenty twenty

446
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: four was well, let's keep what we have and see

447
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Speaker 2: if we can just get over there, and it's it

448
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: hasn't worked, So now they're at a I think this

449
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: is how we let off the show last year was

450
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Speaker 2: this is the most important off season in Bengals history.

451
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Speaker 2: It feels like we're going to say that for three

452
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 2: years in a row now, because it is when you

453
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Speaker 2: have Joe Burrow. But if you're saying, hey, now we

454
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Speaker 2: have a plan, and the plan is pay your stars,

455
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Speaker 2: figure out the rest, I'm on board, all right.

456
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Speaker 1: So where do you stand on Trey Hendrickson?

457
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Speaker 2: I also pay him. I think there's been no warning

458
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Speaker 2: signs of decline. That's the thing where I would start

459
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Speaker 2: is because okay, he's the oldest of the trio that

460
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Speaker 2: they're going to try and extend this offseason, and as

461
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: he approaches thirty, you have to look at the history

462
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Speaker 2: of the position. You have to look at every player

463
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Speaker 2: that approaches thirty in the NFL. They're old at that point.

464
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Speaker 2: Even though that makes us feel old. If you're over

465
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Speaker 2: thirty in real life and you hear that, you're like,

466
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Speaker 2: come on, there's got a lot of good years left

467
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Speaker 2: in him. And I agree. But when you look and

468
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Speaker 2: you say, okay, so how is how's he been trending?

469
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Speaker 2: And since he got here in twenty twenty one, Trey

470
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Speaker 2: Henderson has been the best free agent signing in franchise

471
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Speaker 2: history and one of the best probably across the league

472
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Speaker 2: throughout history. You go to four straight Pro Bowls, you're

473
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Speaker 2: up for Defensive Player of the Year this past year,

474
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Speaker 2: first team All Pro. That is great, and he has

475
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Speaker 2: not shown signs of getting worse. And as the defensive

476
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Speaker 2: line is deteriorator around him, it really hasn't affected him

477
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Speaker 2: too much. That tells me he's a creator rather than

478
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Speaker 2: somebody who benefits from the chaos. That's that maybe a

479
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 2: star player creates. And there's a big difference there when

480
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: you start evaluating players, are they cornerstone players and pieces?

481
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Speaker 2: And I think Trey is The hard part is and

482
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Speaker 2: again we talked about the age and the potential for decline,

483
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Speaker 2: and I don't see signs of it yet, so we're

484
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Speaker 2: probably only talking about a two year extension, maybe it's

485
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Speaker 2: three years total. The hard part is could that money

486
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Speaker 2: be better spent? Same conversation with Ti Higgins, But could

487
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Speaker 2: the money be better spent for a defense that really

488
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: has invested a lot of draft picks? But hasn't gotten

489
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: the return yet and has tried to sign some free

490
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Speaker 2: agents that we'll see if they're here or not. You know,

491
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: Sheldon Rank's probably not here. Geno Stone maybe here. But

492
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Speaker 2: the idea is you need a lot on defense still Kent.

493
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: Do you just say, clean, clean slate, we're starting over

494
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: on defense, new defensive coordinator and will figure it out,

495
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 2: or do you say, you know what, why would you

496
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Speaker 2: get rid of your best player on defense when you

497
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 2: don't have to. I think they should come to an agreement.

498
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Speaker 2: I think I'm not as confident that they will as

499
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Speaker 2: I am with T Higgins or Jamar Chase. Like Jamar

500
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: Chase a field one hundred percent, it'll happen. T Higgins,

501
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Speaker 2: if you had to ask me, I have like eighty

502
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Speaker 2: percent that it's going to happen. Trandricks and I feel

503
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Speaker 2: closer to fifty to fifty. And it's because the play

504
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: he put on the field the past two years warrants

505
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,719
Speaker 2: a huge extension. But again, in the age and the situation,

506
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: the Bengals are in on defense and the defense wasn't

507
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: good even though he was great, So really, if he's

508
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 2: great again, that doesn't change the outcome of the defense,

509
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Speaker 2: you need all of these other parts of the defense

510
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: to be good. It's like if you were to say,

511
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: we'll sign one right guard, that should fix our offensive line.

512
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: No it doesn't. It takes so many pieces on the

513
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Speaker 2: offensive line in order to completely fix it. The defense

514
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: is very similar. One player doesn't make your defense great,

515
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 2: as we have seen. So there's a little bit of

516
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: a hurle there. But at the same time, if the

517
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: plan is keep your stars, we'll figure out the rest.

518
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: Hope to get lucky in free agency in the draft,

519
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: because let's face it, every team's hoping to get lucky

520
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 2: in fregency in the draft anyways. So that's not too

521
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: crazy to say, I'm fine with it. Let's pay Trey Hendrickson.

522
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Speaker 2: Let's pay all three of these guys and figure it out.

523
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Speaker 1: You tweeted some historical data where Trey's age is concerned

524
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Speaker 1: recently more or less, making the case that, yes, even

525
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Speaker 1: if he does decline at this age, he's had such

526
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Speaker 1: a stable level of production that he would still be

527
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Speaker 1: worth what they're likely to be paying him over the

528
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Speaker 1: next couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So if you look at the data

530
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Speaker 2: and say his pass rush win rate will drop, about

531
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Speaker 2: two and a half percent per year. Well, it's so

532
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: good right now, and he's one of the elite players.

533
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: So that's the key factor there is the guys that

534
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: are still playing, the pass rushers that are still playing

535
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 2: in years eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve around the league,

536
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: they were elite. It's hard to say a B level

537
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: player maintains that throughout his career because it's those guys

538
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: typically don't. It's the guys that are the top five

539
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: picks or the first round picks. And then Trey, who

540
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: is if you look at him from a draft profile,

541
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 2: had tremendous production, elite athleticism, just went in the third

542
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: round because he went to a small school right and

543
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: has outplayed that completely and they got the Cincinnati and

544
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 2: has been an elite level for pretty much all of

545
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Speaker 2: four years. Even if he drops it a two point

546
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: five percent password friend rate over the next three years,

547
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: he will still be a pretty good player by that

548
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: last season at thirty one thirty two years old, and

549
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: I think you can stomach that if that's the worst

550
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: case scenario of an extension.

551
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Speaker 1: Joe Goodberry is our guest his Bengals on the Brain

552
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: videos on YouTube, presented by first Star logistics must watch

553
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Speaker 1: for Bengals fans. They're certainly one of my favorite things

554
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: on the internet. The NFL informed teams week that the

555
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: cap is going up by an estimated twenty two million bucks. Naturally,

556
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: you say, okay, well that helps the Bengals. They're trying

557
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: to extend some of their best players. On the other hand,

558
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: does it hurt because teams that have less space than

559
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: the Bengals do now have more money to work with.

560
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Everyone benefits from it when it goes up, right,

561
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: and the players benefit probably the most. I think we'll

562
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: see maybe we always see resets of the market. But

563
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: if someone like Tray Smith, who's the guard, probably sees

564
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: that and goes, oh, yeah, that's good, just gonna bump

565
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: me up even more. I think t Higgins you know

566
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: a similar situation, Jamar Chase. If they're looking at it like, okay,

567
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: Justinjefferson got thirty five million dollars a year last year.

568
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: He and Ceedee Lamb, what's the percentage of the cap

569
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: that they got last year? Because now the CAP's so

570
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: much bigger. If the percentage is equal, maybe I should

571
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: be at thirty nine, Maybe I should be at forty

572
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: and there's arguments for that for players and teams to

573
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: look at percentages of the cap, and I think teams

574
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: do for sure. And I would say what this does

575
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: is teams like the Eagles who are pushing caps into

576
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: future years and really pushing cash over it this year

577
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: and you know in the past few years they have

578
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: but really trying to save themselves from the future that's

579
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: eventually coming. They when they see the cap exploding like this,

580
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: they go, We're gonna be fine. We're gonna be perfectly fine.

581
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: This this hit. Probably when it does come in twenty

582
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Speaker 2: twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty, it's probably not gonna be

583
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: so bad because by then I think the next TV

584
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: contract is twenty twenty nine. So it's just the cap

585
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: is going to keep exploding. It's good when you see this.

586
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: It means the NFL business is booming, players are going

587
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: to get paid a ton, and the Bengals can do

588
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: whatever they want. They have a ton of cap space

589
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: this offseason.

590
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Speaker 1: So the Bengals used to be criticized for not being

591
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: active in free agency. Then they signed DJ Reider, Trey Hendrickson,

592
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: Mike Hilton, Orlando Brown Junior, et cetera, and that criticism

593
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: has mostly gone away, except for a few members of

594
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: the national media who never seemed to pay attention to

595
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: what the Bengals are doing. Pat McAfee used to complain

596
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: about the Bengals not having an indoor facility. Now they

597
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: have one. My point is a lot has changed in

598
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: recent years. But what's next. What would you like to

599
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: see the Bengals do a little bit differently than they do?

600
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Speaker 2: Well, you're leading right into it, and I kind of

601
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: hinted at the last question. It is pushing cash overcap

602
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: at a more aggressive pace. This is something I've been

603
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: asking for since. I want to say that twenty eleven

604
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: CBA started it and showed what could be done, and

605
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: then teams slowly got on board with it, and then

606
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: the last week to the Collective of Bargaining agreement you

607
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: saw it even more. And now the Eagles are the

608
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: gold standard. I was happy for them to win, not

609
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: just because they beat the Chiefs. I think some Bengals

610
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: fans may be in the same boat there with me,

611
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: but because the way they do things feels aggressive if

612
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: you don't know exactly what's going on here, But actually

613
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: it's just math and it makes a ton of sense.

614
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: Let's think of it this way. If I gave two

615
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: contras that we're worth, let's just say ten million dollars, Okay,

616
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: ten million per year. You don't have to make the

617
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: cap pit ten million every year, right. The cap pit

618
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: just has to equal at the end the amount of

619
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: the total deal. So if it's five years, fifty million,

620
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: ten million per year. The Bengals typically like to keep

621
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: their cappits even every year, so they may be around

622
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: ten every single year for five years. The Eagles will say, Okay,

623
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Speaker 2: we gave that same deal out, but we're not gonna

624
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Speaker 2: make it ten million dollars this year. We're gonna make

625
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Speaker 2: the cap pit this year as small as possible, and

626
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Speaker 2: we're gonna make the cappits in the future as big

627
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Speaker 2: as possible. And then when they get close to that

628
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: big cappit, they're going to restructure that player's deal, which

629
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Speaker 2: means we're gonna take your cap pit, We're gonna give

630
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Speaker 2: you a bonus that's equivalent to that cappit minus the

631
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: base salary, and now we're gonna spread Say so you

632
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: have two years left on the deal that the Eagles

633
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: would restructure and renegotiate, they can add three void years

634
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: at the end and spread out that signing bonus now

635
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,479
Speaker 2: over the course of five years, so they'll push that

636
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: cappit down. Now, think of it this way from meth perspective.

637
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: If the cap is three hundred million this year and

638
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: it goes up to three hundred and twenty five next year,

639
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: well that ten million this year is in your ten

640
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: million in twenty twenty six. If I keep it even

641
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: every year, the percentage is dropping each year, right, the

642
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: percentage of the cap is dropping. But for the Eagles,

643
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: they'll keep it increasing, so that for them the percentage

644
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: really never changes. They're spending the same amount of money

645
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: every year, even though the cap HiT's going up each year.

646
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: For them, it doesn't affect them. It doesn't bother them

647
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: to do that, to push a little bit of cash

648
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: over cap. And the Eagles, when you look at their history,

649
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: they've done this under Howie Roseman three times now. When

650
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: they went to this rule in twenty seventeen, twenty twenty two,

651
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: and then this past year. It's almost three different builds

652
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: in three different free agent signings and waves and classes

653
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: that they've done. And once they do that, they packed

654
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: the roster full. You look, I think Saquon Barkley's The

655
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: best example is cap pit this year was three and

656
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 2: a half million dollars, but yeah, he had the highest

657
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: running back contract in the league. You can push it forward,

658
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 2: you can push it to the end, and the Bengals

659
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: should do it a little bit. They don't use They

660
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: put a little bit of void years on that to

661
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's contract. They put a weird void year at

662
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: the end of Riley Reefs one year deals really didn't

663
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: make sense. They were it looked like they were tinkering

664
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: with it and just seeing how it works. I would

665
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: love to see it. I would love to see them

666
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: do this more often, restructure. They never really technically restructured

667
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: a contract and pushed cash and converted it into a

668
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: signing bonus and lowered the cap pit. These are moves

669
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: that are going to have to make or else you're

670
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: trying to compete with the Eagles and these other teams.

671
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: With one hand behind your back, you're saying, we're not

672
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: maximizing the cap space and the roster the way these

673
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: other super aggressive teams are. And I would love to

674
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: just say, if I get at a moment with the Bengals,

675
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: I'd say Joe Burrow twenty eight. The prime is only

676
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: a few more years. He should be good for a

677
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 2: long time, right, accurately smart, Those things don't change. But

678
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,479
Speaker 2: the prime is here, your windows here. You need to

679
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: push this. If you're ever going to do it, it's now.

680
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: And you've got three guys that want to be Bengals.

681
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: Sign them, extend them, and if you do it the

682
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: right way, you can go out in a free agency

683
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: and you can bring in a host of players that

684
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 2: can help your team and push you over the top.

685
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: Joe Goodbarry is our guest. You can follow him on

686
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Speaker 1: Twitter or x at Joe Goodberry. You did an in

687
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: depth Bengals on the Brain recently where you discussed veterans

688
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: that could be or should be, in your opinion, cut

689
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 1: to create additional cap space. What players do you think

690
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: are highly likely to be cap casualties.

691
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll start from the top, and the biggest savings

692
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: would be Sheldon Rankins. You know, I think Rankins was

693
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: a fine signing at the time. I never thought of

694
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: him as a DJ Reader replacement. They played different positions.

695
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: I think they were looking for more pass rush and

696
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: I think that's going to continue this offseason. As they

697
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: try to help out Henrickson and get more pass rushers

698
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: on this defensive line. It didn't work out, and whatever

699
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: happened at the end there towards the end of the season,

700
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: it is what it is. And hopefully he's healthy and

701
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: everything's okay with Sheldon Rankins, but I believe he will

702
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: be cut, and it's a pretty easy cut. They're gonna

703
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: save a lot of money. I think the next one

704
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: is probably Alex Kappa. Not so much that Kapa has

705
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: been bad. I think Kapla was a good signing from

706
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two to twenty twenty four. Twenty twenty two

707
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: is really good, twenty three was solid, twenty four was not.

708
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 2: For whatever reason, the guard play really took a hit

709
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: this past year. Even Cordo Wolson, who was solid, unspectacular,

710
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: maybe slightly below average this past year, was exposed more

711
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 2: than more than you know he ever has been in

712
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: the past three years, and I was wondering what's going

713
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: on with the guard play. I think Alex Capo is

714
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: a good example of that. I think it's time to

715
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: move on there because spending eight to ten million dollars

716
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 2: at that position, you should be getting above average play.

717
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: At the very least, and I think the Bengals will

718
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: expect that. That means you need two guards more likely

719
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: in free agency, maybe Freedency and the Dreas. Maybe it's

720
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: three total and you figure out a battle between Cody Ford,

721
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: Corro Wolsen and a couple other guys. But they're gonna

722
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: have some decisions to make at that spot. The next

723
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: guy is Sam Hubbard, And for a lot of these guys,

724
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, I kind of I get

725
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: the fan base that it's you know, we've had good

726
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: times from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty four, despite

727
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: not making the playoffs last year's there was a lot

728
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: of fun football. They were very entertaining even the last

729
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 2: two years. But great times in twenty twenty one twenty

730
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 2: two we've had. Sam Hubbard obviously has been a catalyst

731
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: too many of those. But when the play drops off,

732
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: when you're not staying healthy, when you're approaching that later

733
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: twenties to thirty years old, you have to be aware

734
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: of the decline. And again, like I said, the elite

735
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: players can survive that very often, but the B level

736
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: players sometimes cannot, and Sam Hubbard probably falls in that category.

737
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: And I still think they could bring him back, but

738
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: probably on a very cheap deal, on a one year deal.

739
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: Maybe he's a role player, Maybe he embraces that a

740
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 2: little bit more than being a guy who's out there

741
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: seventy five percent of the time. Right, so you know,

742
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: we may see Sam Hubbard again. But I think that's

743
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: an easy cut. And then you have to wonder Jermaine

744
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: Pratt asking for the trade. Requesting a trade was that

745
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: because he was already approached with, Hey, we either need

746
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: you to take a pay cut, well, maybe we'll add

747
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: a year to it, but it's a lesser salary, or

748
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: we're probably going to release you. And if you want

749
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: to keep your five point six million dollar salary, the

750
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 2: best way to do it is probably through a trade,

751
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: right if you're Jermaine Prett. So maybe it's getting a

752
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: seventh or sixth round pick and you get to keep

753
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: your salary. That works for both parties. But again, that's

754
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: another guy. Anytime you needed a play on defense, it

755
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: felt like Jermaine Prett made that play for He could

756
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: be having a game where you're wondering what is going

757
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: on with Jermaine Pratt today, And then they need to

758
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: stop they need someone to rip that ball out, and

759
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: it was always Jermaine Pratt and he was a fun

760
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: guy to root for. So it's sad to see that

761
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: potentially coming to the end. I don't know that that

762
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: means Genos Stone is gone after one year either, even

763
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: though they can save a good chunk of money. The

764
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: free agent class at safety is a mixed bag. I

765
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: don't know that you have to go out there and

766
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: spend another chunk. Stone is still very young. I think

767
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: he's twenty five years old. He's a guy that was

768
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: twenty coming out of the draft, so he's got a

769
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 2: lot of experience. Still young. I believe he can play better.

770
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: I think we have seen him play better in stretches

771
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, but in his career, especially the last couple

772
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: of years in Baltimore. I think if the defensive staff says,

773
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 2: I think we can get him back to that level,

774
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: I think we get Jordan Battle back to the level

775
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: he looked like as a rookie. I understand why they

776
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: would continue with those two at that position and say

777
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: we'll add a guy, whether in free agency or the draft,

778
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 2: to be the third safety to take some of these

779
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: snaps as well. But I think the first three are

780
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 2: the core guys that save you the most money and

781
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: you are likely to move on for from Kappa, Hubbard

782
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: and Sheldon Rankins.

783
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: Joe, what about some of the bengals other free agents

784
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: other than T Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. So we're talking

785
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: Mike Kasicki, Cody Ford, bj Hill, Mike Hilton, Joseph Osai,

786
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: a Team, Davis Gaither. There are some others as well.

787
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: Who would you like to see the Bengals keep from

788
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: that list?

789
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: I would like to see Mike Kaseki retained. I think

790
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow would as well. It sounds like he's adding

791
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: him into the group of core players on offense that

792
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: he'd like to retain, and I'm fine with that. I

793
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: think Kaseki, especially when see Higgins was out for those

794
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: five games, I thought he stepped up in most of

795
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 2: those in most of those moments. There were some times

796
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: that if Kaseki probably can come down with a few

797
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: of these balls, the Bengals probably were in the playoffs.

798
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: But overall, I thought he was very good and a

799
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: nice complimentary player on a great contract. It was three

800
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: and a half million dollars last year. He probably gets

801
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: a little bit of a raise with the comfort between

802
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: you know, the team and him now and the quarterback.

803
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: So I don't see that as someone who's going to

804
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: break the bank either and have a ton of interest

805
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: out there. It's I don't feel it's the same as

806
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: when Uzama hit free agency or Hayden Hurst hit free agency.

807
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a three year, thirty million dollar

808
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: deal waiting for Mike Kaseki. He's had his chances on

809
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 2: the open market and has never received that from anyone.

810
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: So I think that's that's a guy you could easily

811
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: retain and bring back, especially because I think he's the

812
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: default wide receiver three more than he is actually the

813
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 2: tight end. Drew Sample actually had more snaps at tight

814
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: end for the Bengals than Mikesecki did when you look

815
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: at it the alignment, So you know, I think that's

816
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: how you keep a trio of wide receivers together, and

817
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: Koseki being the third as kind of a flex offensive

818
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: weapon that can fill in a lot of places. The

819
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: other guys, I'm not sure I took. I felt one

820
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: wain that Duke Tobin spoke at the Senior Bowl about

821
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: maybe retaining these guys a little bit too long. Maybe

822
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: holding onto these guys a little bit too long. The

823
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: Super Bowl team thinking of that, and I thought of

824
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: BJ Hill and Mike Hilton, and I thought, are those

825
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: examples of that? And now these guys are getting older,

826
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: and again you have to worry about the thirty career cliff,

827
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 2: thirty year old career cliff. How well these guys keep going.

828
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: They've been They've still been good. They really haven't shown

829
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: signs of decline. Like if another team was asking me,

830
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: I'd say, yeah, go ahead and sign those guys. They

831
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: can help you. But I wonder if the Bengals want

832
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: to get better at those spots. Right, if you'se retained

833
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: Bj Hill, I still need a defensive tackle, you still

834
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 2: need a DT number one. If I keep Mike Hilton,

835
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't really change the coverage issues you probably had

836
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: at corner. I still want to get faster. I still

837
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: want guys that can play in man coverage, especially for

838
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: Al Golden's defense. I played a ton of man coverage

839
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 2: at Notre Dame and I expect En up tick there.

840
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: So is that what you want? Even though Hilton I

841
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: still still think is very good, one of the best

842
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: pound for pound blitzers in the NFL, one of the

843
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: best run defenders on the team, and sure tacklers, and

844
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: a guy who consistently made plays when he was when

845
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: you know he's going forward and it's Derrick Henry and

846
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: he's knifing behind the line and making a stop. So

847
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: I would like to have both those guys if the

848
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: price was right. I just think they'll have markets out there.

849
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: I think other teams will see it and say, you

850
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 2: know what, we could use the veteran leadership, we could

851
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: use the steady force. We have a defensive tackle number one.

852
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: Let me put bj Hill next to that guy. So

853
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: I think it makes sense for other teams more than

854
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: it does the Bengals. There, I think the Bengals are

855
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: probably looking at a new of those guys like go

856
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: back to you mentioned twenty twenty and twenty twenty one

857
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 2: type of free agents. They were all Tier three guys

858
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: that were twenty five, twenty six years old, didn't break

859
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: the bank, didn't have a ton of guaranteed money. Perfect

860
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: for the Bengals in free agency, there's a handful of

861
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: those guys available. Again, I think Bengals would love to

862
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: dip back into it and maybe get lucky again. There's

863
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 2: some luck involved in it. You know, you can easily

864
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: have a Trey Wayne's or maybe a Geno Stone which

865
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 2: got last year as Sheldon Rankins even though he was older.

866
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: So maybe he doesn't apply to the group I'm talking about.

867
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 2: But you if you get lucky again, if you find

868
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: another Chidobe, a Woozier, Mike Hilton or Trey Hendrickson, then'd

869
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: be awesome. Your defense will take a huge step forward,

870
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 2: and I think they'd rather play with that again. Now,

871
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: maybe the one guy that's their own free agent that

872
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: may qualify for that is Joseph Osai, and who's still

873
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: extremely young. He was a young draft prospect, great profile too.

874
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: There's some people that you know, I talk with fans

875
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: every day on Twitter, right and they say development has

876
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: been such a big issue for the Bengals as much

877
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: as has been and I don't know that I agree.

878
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 2: I have my opinions on these players when they're drafted,

879
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: of what I think the upside is for these guys.

880
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: One guy I loved coming out with Joseph Osai. I

881
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: thought he could have been their second best pass rusher

882
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: to Trey Hendrickson. And if you look at pass rush

883
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: win rate. Over the three years he did play, he

884
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: was their second best pass rusher, but I always felt inconsistent,

885
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: spotty at times, never felt like he got that next

886
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 2: level despite the flashes. If I was another team, I'd

887
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: be looking my chops at Josephosai. I'd just say, and

888
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: that's a twenty five year old that had had moments

889
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,479
Speaker 2: of really great pass rushes and that has played left

890
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: end right at defensive tackle. If the Bengals could find

891
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: a way to bring him back and say, you know what,

892
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 2: maybe there's still more meat on this bone and we

893
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: can get it out of him, I would be in

894
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: favor of retaining him. But I think other teams are

895
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: gonna look at it and say, that's a guy we want. Joe.

896
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: The Combines coming up next week. You do extensive draft

897
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: grading every year. Your stuff is awesome. You've already posted

898
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: several video with breakdowns of some of the top defensive

899
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: linemen in this year's class. Did you start with defensive

900
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: line because that's the Bengals' biggest need or because it's

901
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,479
Speaker 1: an especially good group this year?

902
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what groups are good until

903
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: I get there. I actually try to refrain from watching

904
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: college football throughout the season. I maybe watch five games

905
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 2: or so throughout the year because I spend so much

906
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 2: time on Sunday and Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday doing

907
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: NFL stuff that I wouldn't be fair to my family

908
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 2: if I'd spend too much time on Saturday as well.

909
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: You understand it. But so I get to the other season.

910
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: I try to treat it like the coaches do. All right,

911
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: this is my first foray, this is my first dive

912
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: in in January, and see who these guys are. So

913
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: I didn't know that the defensive tackle grouping was good.

914
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: I just thought, you know what, here's a bunch of guys.

915
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: We get the data profiles, we get the production profiles

916
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: that we create on our spreadsheet every year that we

917
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 2: release in April, and a bunch of them were lit

918
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 2: up in blue, which means that's good. These are past.

919
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: Do you want these guys in the top of the draft.

920
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,479
Speaker 2: And there was five, six, seven of them, and I said, okay,

921
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: I'll start with defensive tackle because number one, it's a

922
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: need for the Bengals they drafted to last year. Chris Jenkins, McKinley, Jackson.

923
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 2: You would say, okay, that's two premium picks. Do they

924
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: really need a detackle? But even if those guys take

925
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: another step in year two, they probably don't have detackle

926
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: one upside. And I've said that now a few times

927
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: about what kind of guy am I talking about potential

928
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: geno Atkins? A guy that doesn't have to come off

929
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: in the run or pass game. A guy that is explosive,

930
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: can rush the pass, or is a pain in the

931
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: butt to block. They really don't have that even if

932
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: those guys take a step. So I'm looking at this

933
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: class and I go, Okay, there's a bunch that could

934
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: be their first second round. Let me start with that.

935
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: And that's what I did, and I was pleasantly surprised

936
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: with what's out there.

937
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: Of the guys that you've already profiled and Bengals on

938
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: the brain, is there anybody that you are already thinking

939
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: this would be a great choice at seventeen overall?

940
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Obviously Mason Graham from Michigan will be gone, so

941
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: we're not gonna spend time talking about him on the

942
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: consensus board. He's fourth, so we don't expect him to

943
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: even get close. But from there, there's a bunch of

944
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: guys that are in the range, and two of them

945
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: right away are Walter Nolan, defensive tackle at Old Miss.

946
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 2: He's twenty he's eighteenth on the consensus board. And Kenneth Grant,

947
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: the other defensive tackle from Michigan, more of a big body,

948
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 2: is twenty fifth on the consensus board as we speak

949
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: right now, so that's right in the range of seventeen.

950
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: But through our others, to me, Derek Harman from Oregon

951
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: looks like Chris Jones. If you're gonna find one of

952
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 2: those guys that's six five, three ten, that's an athlete

953
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: that's a pain in the butt as a pass rusher,

954
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: just consistently winning and getting into the backfield. His numbers

955
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: would have been crazy. If he could tackle at all.

956
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: I'd say he probably missed five sacks and another eight

957
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 2: tackles for a loss because he just doesn't break down

958
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: very well and tackle in space. But it was funny

959
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: because Oregon's got another defensive tackle in this class, Jamary Caldwell.

960
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: It's more of a second third, fourth rounder. We'll see

961
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 2: where he is really steam. The production profile and numbers

962
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: look great for him as well. His tackles and his

963
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: miss tackles are at the bottom of this drivet class

964
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: as well. So maybe the D tackles in Eugene, Oregon

965
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: just do not tackle and do not practice it. And

966
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: if that's the case, that would put me on board

967
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: with Harmon a little bit more. But those three I

968
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: think Nolan and Grant and Harmon. I really like Nolan

969
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: and Harmon because of the pass rush upside, because the

970
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: athleticism that they flash on tape. Grant is different. He's

971
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: three hundred and forty pounds. He's more of the nose

972
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: tackle type, run stuffer type that has a little bit

973
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: of a pass rush profile for that position. The standards

974
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: are different for the D tackles in the nose tackles,

975
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 2: so Kenneth Grant has a little bit of pass rush

976
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: for a nose tackle. If you're lining them up with

977
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: all the D tackles, you would say he's in the

978
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: average to blow average area as a pass rusher. And

979
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: you want to see those markers even for run defenders,

980
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: because it proves that they have good hands, they have

981
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: good explosiveness, right, they know what they're doing as with

982
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: their hands and with their moves, which you need to

983
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 2: be able to do as a run defender as well.

984
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: So we're looking at seventeen. Those two first, Walter Nolan,

985
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: Derek Harrman, and then I am interested in Kenneth Grant.

986
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that are super high on him.

987
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: I'm not there right now.

988
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: I'll be at the combine for a couple of days

989
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: next week, so I'll definitely be asking questions about those guys.

990
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: The Bengals have made several coaching changes since last season,

991
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: most notably at defensive coordinator. Any thoughts on how an

992
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: l Golden defense will look different from what we've seen

993
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: in recent years under Louena Robo, Yeah, I.

994
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: Start with the base in the front of the defense.

995
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 2: Under lou they were very multiple. They were a three

996
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: to four and a five to two principal team a lot.

997
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: I think that shocked people when I would talk about

998
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 2: it every once in a while. I assume people assume

999
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: we're a four to three team, or the Bengals were

1000
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: a four to three team, but they are principal wise,

1001
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: they were an odd man front and you saw that.

1002
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: That's why DJ Reader was here, That's why Reader was

1003
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 2: so good. He's a nose tackle right. Those are typically

1004
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: in three man or five man fronts and watching that

1005
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: the Notre Dame defense, they were multiple, but not to

1006
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: the same level everyone in college football is, but not

1007
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: to the same level that Lo's defense was. So and

1008
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: then when Golden guy here, he said, we're going to

1009
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 2: be a base four man front nickel, four two nickel,

1010
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: which is the base now, but if we need to,

1011
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: we'll be a four to three, you know, probably versus

1012
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: the Ravens and Browns, and when those teams are running

1013
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: the ball, so that might be their first change. Second

1014
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: change is communication. And when I watched the Albama defense

1015
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: versus the Bengals defense, and this is college players the NFL,

1016
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 2: I understand that, but Notre Dame, there was no motion.

1017
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 2: There was no uh misdirection or pre snet movement that

1018
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 2: confused them. They seem to pass it off incredibly well,

1019
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: very smoothly, reminiscent of how the Bengals did it when

1020
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: Jesse Bates and Von Bell were together and now Golden

1021
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: was here as well. They would pass the off post

1022
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: snap so naturally, and you could see them all point

1023
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 2: together and the whole defense will just rotate with it

1024
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: and form a new defense after the snap. And I

1025
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: can remember, like the twenty twenty one AFC Championship Ship game,

1026
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: and it confused the home so often that he had

1027
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: to hold the ball despite guys being open. They just

1028
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: it wasn't who he expected to be open because the

1029
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: defense changed post snap. And I'd watch Notre Dame defense

1030
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: and I'd go, there it is again. They're doing it again.

1031
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: They're they're not confused. The communication must be at an

1032
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: extremely high level. They must have answers for everything the

1033
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: offense is showing them. And then you go back and

1034
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: watch the film. I usually do for the Bengals at

1035
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: the end of the season. Now go and rewatch key

1036
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: points or third downs or big games, and I go,

1037
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: they must not have answers for certain situations here. That's

1038
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: why they must be finger pointing after this. They must

1039
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: be arguing this stuff on the sideline. It's not clear,

1040
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: concise and defined. And I think that's the first thing

1041
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 2: El Golden can fix and get these players to play

1042
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 2: a little bit better. We talked about the man coverage

1043
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: a little bit in order to tam did it at

1044
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: a high rate. NFL you do that if two things.

1045
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: If you don't think the offense has the horses to

1046
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 2: beat you on the outside at wide receiver or if

1047
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 2: you think you've got really good corners, we'll see what

1048
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 2: the Bengals feel about that and how and what it

1049
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: looks like when they get there, and it could be

1050
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: a game per game matchup type thing. But if you

1051
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: fix the communication that makes players play faster, play more aggressive,

1052
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: play more confidently, I think at the very least, if

1053
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: you give them that, the same players should perform at

1054
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 2: a higher level.

1055
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: Bengals analyst and content creator Joe Goodbarry has been our guest.

1056
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier, you have to check out Bengals

1057
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: on the Brain on YouTube presented by First Star Logistics.

1058
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: If you're not already doing so, what do we have

1059
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: to look forward to in the weeks and months to come.

1060
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 2: Joe who a lot of stuff. We have a free

1061
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: agent spreadsheet that has a bunch of great analysts and

1062
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: Bengals content creators are doing this with me and we

1063
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: do it every year. We will grade these guys and

1064
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: give them a tier ranking one through five. One being

1065
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: the elite free agencies are the guys that are going

1066
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 2: to get paid a lot of money. Bengals typically don't

1067
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 2: dive into the Tier one free agents, so this is

1068
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: good to know. Tier two Tier three, Tier four. Those

1069
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: are the guys you want to target. These are the

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Speaker 2: guys that are maybe have an issue. Maybe they're a

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Speaker 2: little bit older, maybe they're not great against the run,

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Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. They've got some flaws in

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Speaker 2: their game, maybe they've had injuries. But you'll see their age,

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Speaker 2: you'll see their project projected salary, you'll see what tier

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Speaker 2: they fall in, You'll see how many snaps they played

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Speaker 2: last year, all of these things, and they'll be ranked

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Speaker 2: and you'll say, okay, great, these are the free agents

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Speaker 2: we should start targeting. These are the guys that fit

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Speaker 2: the mold of the Bengals. Twenty five years old, has

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Speaker 2: played the last four years and should only get a

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Speaker 2: modest contract, perfect for Cincinnati. We'll put them on the

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Speaker 2: target list. And then after that, after we're looking at

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Speaker 2: how the combine effects these prospects, and then pro days

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Speaker 2: and all and visits for the Bengals and around the league.

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Speaker 2: We have a draft spreadsheet coming out as well that

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Speaker 2: has so much data in it. Evaluations. We watch the tape.

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Speaker 2: You know, we got three guys here that are watching

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Speaker 2: the tape putting scores on these guys. But then we

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Speaker 2: have a production data that's adjusted for what conference they

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Speaker 2: play in, what age they are when the production happened,

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Speaker 2: and then performance data, which takes a lot of PFF

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Speaker 2: data and grading and says, okay, since twenty seventeen, where

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Speaker 2: does this guy rank? WHOA, This guy's a ninety eighth

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Speaker 2: percentile run defender of all defensive ends since twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: That is likely to carry over into the NFL. We

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Speaker 2: have correlation stats that'll tell us this one carries over

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Speaker 2: to the NFL. So if he's scoring well here, he

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Speaker 2: probably will in the NFL. This is why he spits

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Speaker 2: him out as the first round of giving you arbitrary examples.

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Speaker 2: But it's all fun stuff for the next couple of

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Speaker 2: months as we prepare.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to it, and hopefully this appearance on the

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Speaker 1: Bengals Booth podcast helps you reach one hundred thousand followers.

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Speaker 1: I know you're close.

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Speaker 2: That would be great.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks, Joe, appreciate your time. Joe is very close.

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Speaker 1: He has ninety nine point three thousand followers on x

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Speaker 1: so he should get to one hundred thous soon. Also,

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Speaker 1: I need to make one quick correction. I referred to

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Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson as a free agent and that's obviously not

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Speaker 1: the case. Trey has one year left on his current deal,

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Speaker 1: a contract the Bengals are hoping to extend. That's going

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