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Speaker 1: kind of in your classic like close to town, down

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Speaker 1: and there down by the river. Spot someone running some

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Speaker 1: And we're in what what I would regard as the

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Speaker 1: foraging off season, and are with Brody Henderson and in

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Speaker 1: chef Michael Hunter. I don't know if you disagree or

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Speaker 1: agree with foraging off season. By that, I mean, um,

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Speaker 1: folks that like to I find that your general folks

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Speaker 1: wild edibles they know about, the number one being Morrel's.

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Speaker 1: I would agree, So in the springler for Morrel's and

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Speaker 1: berry in the fall, and that's like the season. So

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Speaker 1: but they're still kind of fun to look for. And

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Speaker 1: do you tell people just up front. We're going to

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Speaker 1: do this in a greater detail later, but tell people

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Speaker 1: up front, like about your restaurant and what you're like,

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Speaker 1: your your food philosophy. So my restaurant the name of

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Speaker 1: restaurants antler Um, and we just want to incorporate all

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Speaker 1: So we rely heavily on forgers um that that sell

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Speaker 1: and we sell farms game meat just because we can't

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Speaker 1: So that rule is the same as it is in

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Speaker 1: the US and Canada for Newfoundland where they get a

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Speaker 1: little leeway and they're actually allowed to sell wild game.

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Speaker 1: We saw some daniels. So right now, like back home,

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Speaker 1: little brown mushrooms. There's a neat one that's old shaggy mains. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and chip chocolate chip. Um, your wild blueberry, and then

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Speaker 1: I've heard you can like pickle that there is a

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Speaker 1: a private property place. We caused. We tried to catch

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Speaker 1: They had watercress in it. All this dandylon would actually

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Speaker 1: he's already flowered. Yeah, they flower early here. So Michael,

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Speaker 1: do you ever eat um? You know, like dandelion is

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Speaker 1: an interesting one because everybody has it. Everybody's sort of

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Speaker 1: not saying this was, but this is an ancient kind

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Speaker 1: I think unless you like that bitter kind of repeati flavor,

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Speaker 1: there's wild rose. So how do you when you do

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Speaker 1: from rolls hip, but just seemed like a painstaking process

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Speaker 1: You just said you can smell it real good. Yeah,

421
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: this is a bizarre. It's just thick and there's a

422
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: lot of it. Wrong. Oh, I thought for sure that

423
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: I was doing. I looked at it, except that purple

424
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: is stemp still birds? Whatever can you find the mint?

425
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: Do you guys? Smell it over there. I don't smell anymore,

426
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: but you're smelling you got whip off. No, not that

427
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: I feel like i'm smelling it right now. I don't

428
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: think it's all I think it is on that side.

429
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: Damn it sounds of bitches, that's us. It's so strong smelling.

430
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: We can't fun sitting down here, my nose down on

431
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: the ground smelling a bunch of ship. It must be

432
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: really small. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Enough yet I

433
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: feel like that happens a fair bit. Like there a

434
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: day we were not the other day, but a little

435
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: while ago. We were getting mushrooms. We got a few,

436
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: several kinds of good mushrooms, and I kept smelling mint

437
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: and was sort of like like making a half it's

438
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: attempt to locate it. It didn't locate it. I couldn't

439
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: tell where the smell was blown in From's not find it,

440
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: Phil because I did that. It was really pouring the

441
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: coals to the ground. They were there. Should keep walking

442
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: a little bit. We found all kinds of ship. It's

443
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: like a major discovery. You wanted the meal? Okay, Now

444
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: that we're sitting here in our beautiful studio, um, do

445
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: you kind of see what I'm saying about, like, at

446
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: least from my perspective about the off season. Oh, totally yeah,

447
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: because the yeah, the berries are in, the lush rooms

448
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: are gone. Yeah, it's not like a hot mushroom time.

449
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: It kind of starts, you know, gets summertime, but you

450
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: can still tell there's like a ton of possibility. Oh yeah, yeah.

451
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's kind of like hunting, you know.

452
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: It's it's every time you go out, you're not gonna

453
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: come home with with you know, the trophy, let's say. Right,

454
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: So it's for me, it's it's, uh, it's just good

455
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: to get out there and be in country and hang

456
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: out with your friends and you know, I hope to

457
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: find something interesting. But what what it did reinforce is

458
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: that outside of the big marquee things that people know

459
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: like picking you know, wild blueberries, wild strawberries, whatever, h

460
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: and picking the really nice mushrooms, that there's these two

461
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: sort of ubiquitous wild edibles. Yeah, like dandelion greens and

462
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: cat tails. Dandelions and cattails. It's like forging one o one,

463
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: you know. I mean like like you're out in the

464
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: woods starving whatever. Dandelions and cattails. Man, it would be

465
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: a bitter a bitter meal. But because you can make

466
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: it work, so later you're gonna um. Brody here he's

467
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: telling me that you guys are gonna like cook something. Yeah,

468
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: so I've cleaned up the cat tails. We'll use the

469
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: cattail hearts, and I'm gonna do a little dish with

470
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: a venison loin and uh a spice ash recipe from

471
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: the cookbook. So the I've only ever pickled bulls, What

472
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: are you gonna do with them? The I think I

473
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: was just gonna saute them in a pan a little

474
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: olive oil. You gotta clean them really well. They get

475
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: down to the soft stuff. Yeah, I just peel out

476
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: the outer layers sort of like the last kind of

477
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: foot of the cat tail. Uh, you know, not not

478
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: the frilly stuff on top, but the like the twelve

479
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: inches of the meaty stock at the bottom. Just cut

480
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: that off and then peel the outer layers of the

481
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: green stuff and you get that white heart. Do me

482
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: a favor, though, to do something with the damn dandelions.

483
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: We could definitely, like billions of dollars are spent trying

484
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: to get rid of d lines. I feel like you

485
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: have to go and do a little need little bitter

486
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: little salad, you know, a need little trick though, is

487
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: um garlic and chili flakes really kind of take away

488
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: some of that bitterness. So if you pick enough of them, um,

489
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: it's like spinach like wilts to nothing. You know, steam

490
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: him or blanche them first, Uh, squeeze out the excess

491
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: water and then saute it with a little butter, garlic

492
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: and chili flakes, and it really just takes away a

493
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: lot of that bitterness. Like repini, same thing, rapini and um.

494
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: The one thing I mentioned, marsh marygold is a good

495
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: one too for to treat like that. You know. I

496
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: had a little surprise, a negative experience where the lettuce

497
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: in my garden this early for us is still early

498
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: for gardening. Uh didn't bolt, Okay, it's early. Bitter is

499
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: really interesting bitter. Wonder why that is? Dude, I never Yeah,

500
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: and I had one of those seed blends. So it's

501
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: like eight kinds of just really just don't know what's

502
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: It's like, I feel like the shitty kind did real

503
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: well in my garden, and all the good guys. It's like,

504
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a thousand different kinds of scenes.

505
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: You just throw it down and take what you get.

506
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: Not a good approach man. People. The bitter mix, Yeah,

507
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, here's a mix of a bunch

508
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: of stuff that won't germanate except for the super bitter

509
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: kinds will be all over the place in your garden

510
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: and your kids like won't like the sal it with

511
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: that behind us again, Chef Michael Hunter, I hate to

512
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: do this to you. Man. You probably had to tell

513
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: the story so many times. You gotta tell the story.

514
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: You gotta start out just for context. You gotta tell.

515
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: I want the story about you know, when you got

516
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: super in the news the vegans, Yeah, the vegans, because

517
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: this will probably like people will be like, oh, I've

518
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: never hearing about this. Yeah, that was not something I

519
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: ever expected was going to happen opening a restaurant. Um,

520
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: so that was when you opened, No, that was it

521
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: was actually two years after we opened. Yeah, so it

522
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: wasn't right when we opened, but just not one of

523
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: the like opening opening and running restaurant is hard enough,

524
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: and that was that was probably the most difficult thing

525
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: I've had to endure as a chef, in a business

526
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: owner and just as a as a person. Because they

527
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: were they were trying to shut us down and uh,

528
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, basically just attacking us. So this is like

529
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: it gets people like where you're at. So my restaurant

530
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: and Learner is located in Toronto. We're just sort of

531
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: out of downtown. We're in this little pocket called Little Portugal.

532
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: And we had a chalkboard sign out front where a

533
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: tiny little restaurant were forty five seats and was that

534
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: your Was that your first restaurant, the first restaurant that

535
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: I owned. Yeah, that's what I mean. So I know

536
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: you've been in the restaurant biz for a long time.

537
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: But so we had this chalkboard sign up front that

538
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: said Venison is the new Kale. Dude, I had a

539
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: really nice Kale cell last night my garden Kales kid

540
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: ask Kales awesome. You know chef do you know? Uh?

541
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: Jesse Griffiths. I don't. He's a chef of Texas. Okay,

542
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: he does a lot of game. I look him up.

543
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: Oh you should you guys be like you guys, be

544
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: like nuts on a dog. He makes this really good

545
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: Kales out not called texted him to be like, how

546
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: do you make that ship? I made mine. It wasn't

547
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: as good as his anyways, it wasn't even kind of

548
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: like even close to his. I don't get it, but

549
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: so Venison was the new Kales what what did it?

550
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: And the cyclist rode by, and she was ahead organizer

551
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: of a group, like a grassroots organization. I think they

552
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: they have a couple, but it was Pig Save or

553
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: UM I forget the actual name of Pig Save. So

554
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: they would protest slaw our houses and that was there

555
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: an animal rights group Peter funding um type thing. And

556
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: the organizer of this group rode by on her bike

557
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: and was offended and well, how do you know that happened?

558
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: That's what they basically wrote on their site. And then

559
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: they had they had interviews, so that that's how we

560
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: found out exactly how it happened. UM And just one night,

561
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: I think it was in November, they showed up and

562
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: we actually got tipped off by a large corporation that

563
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: they also target. I'm not going to name names, but

564
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: so they this corporation has their own security division that

565
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: just handles these vegan groups because it's interesting, they try

566
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: and hurt your business. So we actually got tipped off

567
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: and they said that this group's coming that. Here's their

568
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: Facebook page. Um, their Facebook page was private, but they

569
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: had sort of some intel. I guess they have some

570
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: fake members of the group. So we got wind of

571
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 1: what was happening. We didn't really think much of it.

572
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: We just said, okay, business as usual, let's just trying

573
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: to ignore it. And um, they sent us a letter

574
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 1: of sort of their demands, which were they wanted to

575
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: have a meeting with us to change our menu, and

576
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: they wanted us to put their slogan, uh you know,

577
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: one of their slogans in our window. Oh, but they

578
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: got a guy to give in and do that too.

579
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: They've got many because they're really they're relentless, like they'll

580
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: take they you know, they take photos of your children

581
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: and put them online and just they just do terrible stuff.

582
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: Really we had uh, yeah, we we They eventually stopped

583
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: because a couple of them got restraining orders because they

584
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: slipped up. That sounds illegal, Yeah, so were they do

585
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: you know if they were targeting your restaurant because of

586
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: its connection to wild game? So they said that we

587
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: were lying to people because you know, we were hunting

588
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: and serving the game meet ourselves and that's not something

589
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: we've ever, you know claimed that's totally illegal. Um. You

590
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: know the thing with the game farms is is I

591
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: want to sell game because I love to eat it.

592
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: It's the only way I can. Um. And a lot

593
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: of these these little game farms, their little family run operations,

594
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: and I know the farmer, and we know what they eat,

595
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: and um, you know how they raised and we can

596
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: go visit the farms if you want, and um, you know,

597
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: it's just a really great way to do business for us. So, um,

598
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: they call it the humane meat myths. So they were

599
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: going after small businesses that were farmed a table also

600
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: because they say that, um, you know, it doesn't matter

601
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: how the animals raised. Meat is murder. So they say

602
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: that people are tricking the consumer when they say it's

603
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: a healthier alternative if farmed the table. Yeah, that that's

604
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: a that's a plausible argument. I can understand it. I

605
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, if like I could see someone

606
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: hitting on the idea that, Um, wait a minute, I

607
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: don't think you should ever kill an animal. And sure,

608
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: if you're nice to it, like you're still killing it.

609
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I can definitely see someone arriving at that. Yeah,

610
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: but you know that animal has a better life than

611
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: than you know, some of the alternative that'sh but but

612
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: there are arguments floating around out there that I don't

613
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: get how you arrive at them. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I

614
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: mean I was like, I don't I don't have to

615
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: have the opinion to understand how one might get there,

616
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: right yeah. Um, And it was just baffling to us

617
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: the way way what happened. So we actually wrote them

618
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: back once and said, listen, you know we we actually

619
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: already have a couple of vegan dishes on the menu. Um,

620
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: you know, vegetarian food and like foraging and just wild

621
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 1: ingredients is something that we're really passionate about. Uh. We

622
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: invited them to take them foraging when you know, if

623
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: they were interested and just have a dialogue. And uh,

624
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: I think they wrote back something kind of nasty and

625
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: they didn't want to have They weren't into that. Um,

626
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: so we just stopped. When you wrote them, do you

627
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: mean you like wrote a letter? I think it was

628
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: an email. He was over emailed that one. So they

629
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,959
Speaker 1: said to you, they come to you say we're gonna

630
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: show up, protests the ship out of your place unless

631
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: you change them. And imagine by change the manu they

632
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: mean like full and why are they out at your

633
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: place and not out of armies or something? Well funny,

634
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: not that I'm hacking on armies. I don't know what

635
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: Arbies does. All those accidentally out at the butcher shop

636
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: across the street because I think I said in an

637
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,479
Speaker 1: interviewer and I said, there's a butcher shop across the street,

638
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 1: and then they went and protested them. So I felt bad.

639
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: But like seriously, like there's like the meat morgue like

640
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: across the street, you know, slaughtering more stuff than we are. Yeah,

641
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: I've seen the Okay, so keep telling the story. So

642
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: I like the deal where they put the sticker in

643
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: the window. That's bad. I would not want that sticker.

644
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: The sticker basis says like assholes working here. It basically meat,

645
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: meat is murderer. I can't remember. It was just bizarre

646
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: their slogan. So we just said, okay, let's ignore this

647
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: and then I'll just go away. So it didn't go away.

648
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: It was so then they were protesting us once a week,

649
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: how many people five to ten would show up. It

650
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: was totally lame. What group? What was it Peter or

651
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: was it no? So they called themselves. It was a

652
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: grassroots grass Toronto. But there was like several little The

653
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: only one I can think of his pig saved because

654
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: one of them just actually got run over by a

655
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: pig truck. Um, what's interesting. Yeah, they're protesting us, so

656
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: it wasn't total like weirdness. I got checking their mail

657
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: and got hit by a pig truck. I would find

658
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: that to be like the only reason I'm thinking of

659
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: it because it was just in the news that but

660
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: one of their groups was pig Safe. Um, and he

661
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: jumped on from a pig truck. Yeah, they were protesting.

662
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: They wouldn't move, and I guess the chuck stuff the

663
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: pigs eat them pigs with you. My dad always said,

664
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: you lay there long enough that pigley um. And eventually

665
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: I just got fed up. Why I would always leave

666
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: because I knew I was going to do something stupid

667
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: if I stuck around. So five to ten people like hey,

668
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: banging on our windows, huge signs, screaming at our customers

669
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: coming in and out, and I was bad for business

670
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: or good for business. In the beginning, it was bad,

671
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: and so I would have gone in there. I was

672
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: almost said, I wuld have gone in their guns ablaze

673
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: and as as as a suppression guns. I would have

674
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: gone in there and head dinner. Yeah yeah. So I

675
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: eventually I had to be there one night I forget

676
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: someone was sick or away and I had to work,

677
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: And because it was just so upsetting, I didn't want

678
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: to be there when they were there. Um, what night

679
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: of the week was Thursdays? They picked Thursdays, Thursdays or

680
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: Friday's um. And so we we get whole dear delivered

681
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: once a month. We generally get one to two animals

682
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: that would last us a month, um, and we break

683
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: down our own stuff. So I went down we had

684
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: a delivery that morning. I got so upset. I saw

685
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: customer come in, uh visibly on a date and the

686
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: woman was almost crying because she's being screamed at with

687
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: a megaphone. Murderer like f you, um, you know, just

688
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: horrible stuff. So this woman I saw coming was like

689
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: almost crying, and I just said, okay, enough enough, and

690
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: I went downstairs, chopped off the whole back leg of

691
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: a deer, got a red cutting board, I think, got

692
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: some like sanitizer and stuff so it would be safe

693
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: if I got called, like the if the case the

694
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: Health department called. I had like safety stuff around me, uh,

695
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: and I plunked the leg down in the front window

696
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: and started to just joint and butcher the back leg

697
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: in front of them. And uh, that was sort of

698
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: my protest back, like, you know, you're going to offend

699
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: me in my window. I'm I'm just gonna offend you,

700
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: excuse me right back and from within your window, within

701
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: my window. And I had every legal right to do it,

702
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: but they filmed the whole thing, and and the police

703
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: came in to talk to me because I said, you know,

704
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: they're they're calling the health department. I said, that's fine,

705
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm within my rights. They said it yep, okay, And

706
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: then you know, they kind of had a chuckle with

707
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: me because they're they're on our side. They were taking

708
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: police resources away from the city to be there because

709
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: they're there to keep the peace. Um, and you guys

710
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: never called the police when that We never called the

711
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: police on them. They were there, um to keep the

712
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: piece because they would bang on our windows and do

713
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: stuff that is illegal when the police weren't there. So

714
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: I butchered this deer leg in the window. They filmed

715
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I go back, cook up a piece

716
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: of meat in the kitchen and come back and I

717
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: ate it in front of them. That was my post.

718
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: How did it become like a major, like international news story.

719
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: So they filmed this whole thing and they sat outside

720
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: with this big sign meat is murder as I'm hacking

721
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: up this good Smith's album. Tho man the shot the

722
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: cover shot is cool. So and they so they posted

723
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: this video footage to all of their mainstream vegan sites

724
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: and it started to blow up and go viral around

725
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: the world, but not in the not in a good way,

726
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: not where you being the hero. You became the hero.

727
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: We became the hero after a weekend of being the devil. Um.

728
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: So are like Google ratings were getting attacked, our Facebook

729
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: where anywhere where you could rate our restaurant was being

730
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: attacked by vegans giving us one star reviews. I got

731
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: rotten food and everything you could think of. Um. People

732
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: started like just dig it into my social media, pulling

733
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: pictures of my family, putting them online. UM just oh yeah,

734
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: just like attacking you in every way they could online.

735
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: And then when the mainstream media got it was so

736
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: this happened on like a Thursday Friday, So all weekend.

737
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: This stuffs like floating around the webs and we're just

738
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: kind of shipping their pants like we're screwed, like I

739
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: screwed us. And then the mainstream picked it up and

740
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: wrote like a really positive piece for us, saying that,

741
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, we're sticking up for our business. You know,

742
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: these people have no right telling us what we can

743
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: and can't serve um. You know, we care about our ingredients.

744
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: We you know, try and serve ethically stuff, ethically source stuff.

745
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: And it was really positive towards us, and just the

746
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: general public opinion was all in support of Antler, and

747
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: then it's it just went viral. I have no understanding

748
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: that was that was, and we were nervous about talking

749
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: about it because it was. They protest us still once

750
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: a week for eleven months. They tried to close our business,

751
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: I swear to God. So it was it was emotional, man,

752
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: it was stressful. They continue to protest, they continue to

753
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: put and then so because because it went viral, they

754
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: got a lot of support on their end too. So

755
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: these protests of five to ten people turned into a

756
00:41:53,600 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: hundred outside a little forty seater restaurant. So it sucks.

757
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: It was not fun like afterwards, Its funny. Eventually, why

758
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: did they eventually quit? I don't know, they just stopped.

759
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: Did you put you did you put the sign up?

760
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: They wanted now we refused. I said no, like, no

761
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: way in hell. My business partner I was actually considering it.

762
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: And my business partner was the one who actually said, like, no,

763
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: f and way are we doing anything to help you

764
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: know their cause or support what they want? So that

765
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: was That was good for me to hear because I

766
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking I was getting tired of it,

767
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: you're getting ready to capitulate. Yeah, it was. It was emotional,

768
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: like it was hard so because we care so much

769
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 1: about what we're doing, and it's it's our life's work,

770
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: it's our passion um and then to have people trying

771
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: to physically shut you down and hurt you, it was tough.

772
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: It's funny how people attack. This happens in a lot

773
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: of facets of of life where people are more inclined

774
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: to attack something that leans in their direction, like there

775
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: they when they look at a spectrum, like listen that

776
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: there's a thing I hate. So they hate like like

777
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: they don't like animal abuse, they don't like violence sort

778
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 1: of animals Okay, so that's a spectrum. Oftentimes, when someone

779
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: doesn't like a thing and the thing is part of

780
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: a spectrum, people want to attack the thing that has

781
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: the most adjacency to their position. Not always, but often,

782
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: like like the same way that I imagine, like you

783
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: take someone who whatever, you take certain Christian denominations, right,

784
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: and you'd be like, so they like they don't like evil, right,

785
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: so you think they would be like hyper focused on

786
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: devil worshippers, but they'd be like, they'd be like hyper

787
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: focused on Mormons, very very similar, right, But like I'll

788
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: be like, why are you not mad at devil? I

789
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: would think that you'd be mad about devil worshippers in

790
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: your town, not people of the Mormon faith in your town,

791
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: who sort of are like like very in line with

792
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: what you got going on, don't deserve it, you know,

793
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: but but like they can't even begin to deal with

794
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: the devil worshiper end of things. And so you get

795
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: something close and so here you have like a restaurant,

796
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: this sort of thing. You're like leaning into ideals of

797
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: sustainability and leaning into ideas of animal welfare, and so

798
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: then they're faced with like, let's go after the guy

799
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: that seems there kind of talk about some of the

800
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: things we're trying to talk about and make an example

801
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: out of him. How dare you sort of be right? Yeah, yeah,

802
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: we we have the same problem. It's when we were wait,

803
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 1: like I always thought we'd get like like our company

804
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: always we'll get attack from the left. Yeah, that's right.

805
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: Like I'm like fairly conservative, always anticipated that would get

806
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: attack from the left. We attack like from the right.

807
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: Like you know, you you go on TV with everybody's

808
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: carrying guns around, and you spend a career making shows

809
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: where people have firearms, and you promote firearm usage and

810
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: put it you know, but it's like I got a

811
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: feeling these people don't really like guns. They don't like

812
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: guns enough for me, and and and so then you

813
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: become you know, it's just bizarre. Yeah, yeah, it's uh,

814
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: it's wild. But also it's like there are many ways

815
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: to agitate for change. It feels like this is kind

816
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: of like a I don't know, a manipulative relationship totally.

817
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: We're not the ones that make the laws around because

818
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: we we actually agree with a lot of their beliefs,

819
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't think slaughter houses are typically

820
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: a great place for animals to be um, you know,

821
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: and it's it's illegal for the farmer to slaughter of

822
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: the animal himself and sell it directly to the restaurant,

823
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: so all animals have to go to this not so

824
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: great habitat of where they have to spend the last

825
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: days of their life. So there are things that we

826
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: agree on, but they should be protesting the government to

827
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 1: change the laws to make slaughter houses a more humane place.

828
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: I guess that's not fun. It's a lot more fun

829
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: to go out from a restaurant trying to destroy someone's job.

830
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: And you know, because we because it went I rall.

831
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: You know, for every hundred you know supporters we got,

832
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, they got maybe two. So like their movement

833
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: grew at the same time, even though it was all

834
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: negative for them in the mainstream media, um, you know,

835
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: they gained a bit of support for their their groups.

836
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: So I think that's what you know, fueled them for

837
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: so long. It's because they were they were milking it.

838
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: They were getting all kinds of attention when no one

839
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: had heard of them before. I'm surprised they didn't respond

840
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: to your your email back, you know, your outreach for

841
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: so they actually did start responding and at that point,

842
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, we had to hire a PR crisis person

843
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: to help us deal with it UM and then so

844
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: they advised us just to not talk to them at all.

845
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: That's what those people always do. Yeh. Next time you

846
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: want to go call a crisis management place, don't and

847
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: just be like, I'll tell what they'll say. Don't engage. Yeah,

848
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: well it was good because they did steer us in

849
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: the right direction with some things they did. They know

850
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: it was a friends company that I knew, so they

851
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, it was pretty affordable for us, UM. But

852
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: they gave us some really good advice because I wanted

853
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: to talk to them. I wanted to argue with them

854
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: and try and get my point across. But did you

855
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: ever have a sit down because they would just publicly

856
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: post wherever we say, and they twist things, They cut

857
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: things out, they twisted. They would take pictures of our

858
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: restaurant at like five o'clock before we had any customers

859
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: and be like, our our movements working, itler's empty and

860
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: it's like, well, yeah, we're not open yet, like or

861
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: it's like there's like you know in between, you know,

862
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: we have diners come in at five six o'clock and

863
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: then another rush of eight. So you know there's this

864
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: weird time when tables are flipping that you know there's

865
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: half or half full. So they'd post these photos say

866
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: Antler's Antler's losing business on a Saturday night. You know

867
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: they're only half full. They partially Do you feel that

868
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: they partially hated you because you embraced it, like you

869
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: called it antler and like do you kind of like

870
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: brace the connection with animals rather than having to be

871
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: that It's like you have a clown with red hair

872
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,959
Speaker 1: and he sort of is the face of the Yeah,

873
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: like well, it's like, you know, a nice clown. He's

874
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: nice to kids, and they don't talk about what they're

875
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: serving in there. Yea. Yeah, like a little even if

876
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: there's not an actual connection to hunting, there's like the

877
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: idea that they we're promoting it, Yeah, and that you

878
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: enjoy That might have been what piste him off. Did

879
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: you get to the same group of people show up

880
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: over the course that you got to know, Hey, John

881
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: and Mary, how you do I wouldn't talk to them

882
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: because I just knew the stuff coming out of my

883
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: mouth wouldn't be friendly. And I just knew, you know,

884
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: but it was the same core group of the same

885
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: corese same like five people, the organizers. Yeah, and especially

886
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: the ones because they were the ones taking pictures of

887
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: my kids and I could see that they were posting

888
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: them and stuff. So there was one guy that that's like,

889
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: if I got within three ft of him, it would

890
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: have been ugly. It's just like, I'm not going anywhere

891
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: near this. Um. Yeah, but that's next level low. Yeah,

892
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: And it's yeah, just incredibly frustrating, Like I didn't have

893
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: the tools to deal with what you know, facing them

894
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: would be like. So I just knew, don't go near them.

895
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: So it eventually fizzled out. It just fizzled out. You know. Um,

896
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: did you did your did your restaurant maintain the momentum? Um?

897
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: We did. We definitely saw like a spike, you know. Um,

898
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 1: we were getting phone calls from all around the world.

899
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: People are emailing us from all around the world, like literally,

900
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: people sending us the articles from New Zealand, from South Africa,

901
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: from Singapore, from England and Russian like it was. But

902
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: it was just bizarre, like I had, you know, you

903
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: see about these stories and things going viral and then

904
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: when you experience it yourself, is just just bizarre. Yeah,

905
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: you have you have a cookbook coming out. I tell

906
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: about the cookbook, but then my question is that you

907
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: did that. Did this whole thing sort of put you

908
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: in a position where you got to do a cookbook

909
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: or do you think would have done a cookbook anyways? No,

910
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: So the cookbook was actually what started the restaurant. So, um,

911
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: I was working. You know, I grew up working as

912
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: a chef as a as a young you know, teenager,

913
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: and started way young. I got started thirteen and a diner. Yeah.

914
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to grow up poor, not poor. I started

915
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: up and down. You know. I grew up a single mom,

916
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: and there were there were a lot of times she

917
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: had her own business, so there were good times and

918
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: bad times. It was you know, not it wasn't very stable. Um,

919
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: but I just I wanted to have my mom. I

920
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: wanted to buy skateboards and T shirts and you know,

921
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: stupid stupid stuff as a kid that your parents would

922
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: say no to, so you had to go get your

923
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: own cash. And I liked it. I really liked having money,

924
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: so I thought that was cool. Um, And I liked

925
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: the work, and I was very food motivated. I love

926
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: to eat as a kid, so I found it really

927
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: cool learning how to make stuff. So did you ever

928
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: do any kind of schooling or anything around cooking? I did, Yeah,

929
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: so I I did. It's a it's a formal trade apprenticeship.

930
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: So I did my apprenticeship trade, got my red Seal certification,

931
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: went to I went to college a community like not

932
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: a community college, but a college for trades. Um and yeah,

933
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: I got my got my chef papers, uh in my

934
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: early twenty so just career career chef. Yeah. And what

935
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: really motivated that was, Um, I had my daughter really young.

936
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: So I had my daughter when I was nineteen and

937
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: uh that that'll date. Yeah that out bro. So that

938
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: was really my drive in your own restaurant in your

939
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: early thirties, man, Yeah, yeah, it was was wild. So

940
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: working your ass off. You had a kid when your

941
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: nineteen kimen I was nineteen, and that just motivated, Like

942
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: I find it does one of two things. Either motivates

943
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: you or people run. And I chose to stick around

944
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: and stick with it. Um and yeah, I think you know,

945
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: my daughter like saved my life in a lot of ways.

946
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: Like I was, I had a hard teenage kind of

947
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: growing up. I was troubled youth kind of kid, and

948
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: having having a kid really focused me into having an

949
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: amazing work ethic, just being a solid dude, you know,

950
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: because I wasn't really solid before. That's interesting that you

951
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: want to feeling that way. I mean, it's typical, but

952
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: that's a young age to hit that. Think the older

953
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: you are, the more likely you'll hit that feeling. Yeah,

954
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: because I meet some people now and then that don't

955
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 1: get that feeling. Yeah, the kid having does not not help,

956
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: does not necessarily make one lean in. Remember my buddy

957
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: Buddy mine Mo, one of old camera guys. He talked

958
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: about having a kid, and he said like it made

959
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: him want to get up in the morning and get

960
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: like a fedora, you know, and get like a briefcase,

961
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: like put your hat on in the morning and march

962
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: out the door, you know, with your briefcaseer the world man,

963
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: you always like, That's what he felt like he ought

964
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: to be doing. I'm like a lot of people don't

965
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: feel that way. Yeah, you know, I I didn't have

966
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: a dad growing up for the most part. My dad

967
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: moved to l A when I was very young, from

968
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: where he moved from Toronto and Toronto l A. Yeah,

969
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: when I was like three or four. What was he doing?

970
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,479
Speaker 1: Why do you do that? Uh? He married, he married

971
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: a woman down there. I think it was just he

972
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: himself had like alcoholism problems stuff like that, so he,

973
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: I think, just wanted to start a new life. And

974
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: I have too, two half sisters in the city as well. Um.

975
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: Did he wind up having anything to do with you? Yeah?

976
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: So I would go visit and see did he write

977
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 1: you after he saw the article? No, we've we're actually

978
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: we're very close now. Um. You know I'd go visit

979
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: him on the summers and stuff as a kid. Um.

980
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, So I think a big part of it

981
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: was I I didn't I didn't want to do that

982
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: to my kid. I wanted to really be there, um

983
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: is what it was what really motivated me to work hard. Um,

984
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: so that's great. You know when it was so when

985
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: a lot of my friends were partying when they're in

986
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: there in twenties, I was working. And that's I think

987
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: that's why. Um, you know I was able to open

988
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: a restaurant when I was thirty because I was so focused.

989
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: So you're you're getting ready to tell us about how

990
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: the cookbook led to the yeah the cook Um. Wow,

991
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: we got off track there, so it's all stuff I

992
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: needed to know. So I was, I was, I was.

993
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: I was passionate about food and I had um started

994
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: hunting and foraging in my late teens. Family friend and

995
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: guessed this now, UM took me out turkey hunting, and

996
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: because I was cooking professionally, UM, we went turkey hunting.

997
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: It was still to this day one of the best

998
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: turkey hunts I've ever been on. I I was so

999
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: blown away by the flavor of wild turkey because I

1000
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: had something to compare it to, you know, like with

1001
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: with deer, you don't grow up eating farmed deer, whereas

1002
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: you know turkey. I have turkey at Christmas and Thanksgiving

1003
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: and all these holidays, so it was like eating turkey

1004
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 1: for the first time. It was this is like, Wow,

1005
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: this is what turkey is supposed to taste like. And

1006
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: that other crap that we've been eating from the grocery store,

1007
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is anymore, Like that's just garbage.

1008
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: And I think as a chef you try and source

1009
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: the most amazing ingredients possible. So for me, it was okay.

1010
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to eat that other ship anymore. This

1011
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: is what real food is, is this wild food. And

1012
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: the more I got into hunting and learning about wild

1013
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: foods and and foraging, the more interested like my friends

1014
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: and family became and they wanted me to teach them

1015
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: or take them or talk to them about it. So

1016
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 1: the idea of the book was really just I wanted

1017
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: to teach people about hunting and foraging, um, because it's

1018
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: something that I think has just been lost in our culture.

1019
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: When did you start working on the book. I think

1020
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: I was twenty. We've been working. I've been working on

1021
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: the book for and I say week. My my business

1022
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: partner got involved. Um. I think I was eight. Started working.

1023
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: I went and bought a camera, and I had worked

1024
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: for a famous chef at the time, and he handed

1025
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: me a cookbook and I thought, Okay, if this guy

1026
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: can do it, like, why can't I do it? The

1027
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: chef Scott Connin He's out of New York, but he

1028
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: he had opened and Telling Your restaurant in Toronto. He

1029
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: did a cook book, He's done a few. Yeah, So

1030
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: I worked hard. Well. I just thought, you know, like

1031
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: Scott was a down to earth guy, and I related

1032
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: to him on a lot of levels, and I was like, okay, like,

1033
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: you know, this guy inspired me. It was like he's

1034
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: got a book. I can I can do a book.

1035
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: And one of my sister actually touched me. She's like,

1036
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: you're like the hunter chef because it's our last name.

1037
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: So and I was like, that's a great name. So

1038
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: I traded the name and just I'm gonna write this

1039
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: book and teach people about this because everyone's asking me anyway.

1040
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: I was so passionate about it, and I was like,

1041
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: this is gonna be you know, I want to inspire

1042
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: other people to eat better and eat healthier and learn

1043
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: more about this. Um and then uh, you know, I

1044
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: started talking to my family about it and this is

1045
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: what I'm this is what I'm doing and working. I'm

1046
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: gonna work on this book. I bought a camera. I

1047
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: like photography anyway, UM, my sisters, it's a weird connection.

1048
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: But my sister's husband's step mom said to me, she said, oh,

1049
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: my my son is is taking cooking classes and he's

1050
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: a documentary filmmaker. And I had met him occasionally at

1051
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: family events and she's like, he's a photographer. You know,

1052
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: you guys should talk and then UM, we talked and

1053
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: he was telling me he was taking cooking classes for

1054
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,479
Speaker 1: fun at a local college. And uh. Our our deal

1055
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: was he'd helped me with the photos for the book,

1056
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 1: and I'd teach him how to cook. Uh. And that's

1057
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: that's how the book started. I was seven years ago

1058
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: and you guys, so we got sidetracked. Now we we

1059
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: started taking photos for the book, and then we thought, okay,

1060
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: let's let's do some parties. So we we do some

1061
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: parties for these food photos. We wanted to make all

1062
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: this food for photos, and then we had we had

1063
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 1: all this food kicked line around. So we're like, we'll

1064
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: have a game dinner with our family. So we started

1065
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: in these game dinners. And then we thought, okay, we'll

1066
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 1: have we'll have a game dinner um and sell tickets

1067
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: to it just to pay for some of the expenses. UM.

1068
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: So what we've wound out find because I knew you

1069
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: couldn't sell game in a restaurant, but I wasn't really

1070
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: sure the laws like you can't sell game period. So

1071
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: I got I got a visit from the Ministry of

1072
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: Natural Resources saying that you know, we can't really do this, UM.

1073
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: And I had to prove that we didn't really make

1074
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: a profit because we only did one that we sold

1075
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: tickets to and we kind of got in trouble. So um,

1076
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: so we we promoted that we call it the Illegal

1077
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: Dinner because we were doing out of this condo and

1078
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: not a restaurant. And uh, a large paper bought a

1079
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: ticket and they wanted to write a story about it.

1080
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: And I thought we'd get this little blurb, you know,

1081
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: and in this big paper, and we ended up getting

1082
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: like this two page spread with photos and this right

1083
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: up about this dinner we were doing because it was

1084
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: so different. You know, no one does got you a

1085
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: visit from that got me a visit from the Ministry

1086
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: of Natural Resources. Came to visit and then we you know,

1087
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: they were very very nice, but I had to provide

1088
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: receipts and and uh, you know, we because we we

1089
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: bought rentals, we had to rent plates and tables and

1090
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: chairs and you know, we did this little dinner for

1091
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: fifteen people. We had to buy a lots at the time,

1092
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: you were just ignorant of the rules, but I was.

1093
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: I was ignorant of the rules. Like there's because in Canada,

1094
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: there's there's at least in Toronto. There's two laws. There's

1095
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: there's the Ontario Public Health where you can't sell meat

1096
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: that hasn't been through a slaughterhouse. Um. And then there's

1097
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: the wild game laws, which I was unaware of, that

1098
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: you can't sell game for profit. I don't like, you know,

1099
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: even to your neighbor, you know whatever. We have a

1100
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: we have a very similar suite of laws down here.

1101
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: So now you know, interesting thing about talking about like

1102
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: when talking you know, I don't know if this I

1103
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: don't know if this is a reciprocal, but many people

1104
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: in the US view Canada's being like it's almost like

1105
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: a fact simile. Yeah. And then when you're talking about

1106
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: the rules earlier, talking about like gun laws, I'm like, oh, yeah,

1107
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: that's right. It's different countries, very different. Yeah. Yeah, so

1108
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the game laws are really similar. Yeah,

1109
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: the gun laws are totally different. We could spend a

1110
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: quite a quite a while talking about that too. Um.

1111
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: We started getting all this pub listening around this book

1112
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: that we're doing, and this this this idea of wild food,

1113
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: and and um, the restaurant where I was working, they

1114
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: they said to me, they said, hey, you know, we

1115
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: don't noticed this article in the paper said we don't

1116
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: really want to be involved in this, Like if you

1117
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: do stuff on your day off, that's fine, but like

1118
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: we don't want to be mentioned in these articles. And

1119
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: so we kind of thought, well, you know, this week

1120
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: I got, I got I'm confused the restaurant where you

1121
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: were working. I didn't want it to be known that

1122
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: you worked at that restaurant, not because they didn't want

1123
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: to be associated with hunting, because they have They even

1124
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: said we we don't want vegans protesting our restaurants. They

1125
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: called it, they called really they just had a feeling.

1126
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: They just said, we don't want Peter outside. So they

1127
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: just said, if you're if you're, if you're doing this

1128
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: hunting and foraging, fishing stuff like that's great, but like

1129
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: we don't, we don't really want to be a part

1130
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: of it. And that was a big thing that was

1131
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: hard for me as a chef because I wanted to

1132
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: serve game dishes in the restaurant um and you know,

1133
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: they didn't really want to. So a big part of

1134
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: Antler was just me being able to cook what I

1135
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: wanted to cook without anyone telling me no. So when

1136
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: you go to when you go to do a restaurant.

1137
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: Um is that Uh, Like financially man, that's risky, right,

1138
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: It's it's very risky. I think it's like restaurants fail

1139
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: within the first year a business. What causes that. It's

1140
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: it's a lot of mismanagement of money, and it's it's

1141
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: a lot of there's you don't need a licensed to

1142
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: open restaurant, like you need a business license, but you

1143
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: don't have to actually, you know, take a business course

1144
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: or or be licensed as a chef. You don't have

1145
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: to have like a chef license. I do because it

1146
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: was my choice to go and get it. Um. But

1147
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: like if you want to be a hairdresser a barber,

1148
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: you have to go to school and do safety course

1149
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: and get a license to be a barber. Whereas the

1150
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: restaurant industry, at least in Canada, it's it's it's a

1151
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: little different. Um. So there's a lot of people that

1152
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: are just going and opening restaurants because I think it's

1153
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: a good thing, our idea to do, and they don't

1154
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: necessarily take the business courses that go along with it,

1155
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: I think. Um. And but when when you hear about

1156
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: the failure rate on restaurants, is it because they're assuming

1157
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: that every seat is going to be full all the time,

1158
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,919
Speaker 1: or some of them so mismanaged that even if every

1159
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: seat was filled all the time, you still wouldn't be Okay.

1160
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of both. Um. And

1161
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's you're dealing with product that can go bad. Um,

1162
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: You're you're dealing with like a party scenario. So if

1163
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: people are are treating it like their own personal party,

1164
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: having their friends over and drinking and giving away free food.

1165
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: Um can be the case. A lot of it's it's

1166
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: just like managing of the business itself. So we actually

1167
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: learned that we actually have to overbook our restaurant because

1168
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: the amount of people that don't show up. So because

1169
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: we're so small, you know, if we if we fully

1170
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: book ourselves at you know, we say we were going

1171
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: to do two turns a night, so flip the table twice.

1172
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: So say we book eighty people, Well, if twenty of

1173
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: those people don't show up, that's a huge lack of

1174
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: sales that we could have had. So we actually have

1175
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: to overbook and taking account because stuff happens. People get sick,

1176
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: or they forget or whatever it is. Um, So people

1177
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: don't show up, So you have to account for that. Um,

1178
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: there's and there's tons of stuff like that. Um, theft,

1179
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: it's huge, you know, because you're dealing with food and

1180
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: booze people like to eat and eat and drinks from

1181
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: employees employees, and you got robbed three times in one year.

1182
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: That's been a problem. Um. Yeah, like the old fashioned,

1183
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: old fashion smashing the window, run in and grab as

1184
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: much stuff as you can and run out. So there's that,

1185
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: you know. Unfortunately it doesn't happen a lot. Uh, And

1186
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: they didn't really steal very much, but that, you know,

1187
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: that did happen. When does the book come out? October six?

1188
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: It's a good looking book, Thank you, thank you. Did

1189
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: you have the recipes all figured out when you started

1190
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: and when you're twenty seven or was it a working problem?

1191
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: It was a total working progress. And things change even

1192
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: even up to like you know, the very last date

1193
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: I had to get stuff into the publisher. We're like, okay,

1194
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna tweak this and fix that, and they're still like,

1195
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, another fifty recipes that now I'm like, oh,

1196
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: I want to put that in there, and it's it's

1197
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: too late. How many did you get in there? There's

1198
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,919
Speaker 1: a hundred recipes. Yeah, so we're really excited. It's it's

1199
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: i think four main categories. There's fish and foraged, there's

1200
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: small game, large game, and then there's a dessert and

1201
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: cocktail section, which is really cool. It's really fun. Yeah,

1202
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: tell people some of the kinds of things you serve

1203
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: at your restaurant. So we like to incorporate all things wild,

1204
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, things that you find in Canada in the

1205
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: United States. So, um, wild mushrooms is a big part

1206
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: of that. Chantrell's morals, black trumpets, um. You know, if

1207
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: I go foraging, take those pheasant backs we spoke about

1208
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: in Shaggy Mainz and and some of the other other kinds. Um,

1209
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: and you buy that from you'll also you'll buy mushrooms

1210
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: from professional pickers totally. And that's the industry look like

1211
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,439
Speaker 1: like here's kind of like they just show up, yes

1212
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: and no, Like some of them show up and I'm

1213
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: a little sketchy around those people. But um, a lot

1214
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 1: of times we'll get emails or there's some big are

1215
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: ones that are more well known that I've used for years.

1216
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: Um and uh, you know, they picked themselves and they

1217
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: also buy from pickers. So because they're in Ontario. We

1218
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: buy BC mushrooms. Um, and it's it's an interesting market

1219
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: and it's it's uh and it's the stuff. The thing is,

1220
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: stuff is expensive, and there's there's no there's no rule

1221
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: against someone um like just Joe Blow, like just any

1222
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: dude off the street can show up and bang on

1223
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: your door sam els and you can buy them and

1224
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: serve them in some in some places it's not like

1225
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: I've heard of other states and provinces where uh, they

1226
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: cannot go to a farmer's market and buy food. They

1227
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: have to buy it from a licensed supplier. We don't

1228
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: have those laws where I am, but so I hear

1229
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,919
Speaker 1: they do exist. But do you do transactions like that

1230
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,479
Speaker 1: I have in the past. Yeah, some people have shown

1231
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: up and they've had beautiful ramps are also called wild leaks,

1232
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: for instance, And they said, you know, these are huge

1233
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: patches at my cottage. Are you interested in they're beautiful?

1234
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, sure, you know, here's a hunter

1235
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: bucks or fifty bucks and what we got this bushold

1236
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: of ramps. So it does happen. I turn around and

1237
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: put them on the menu. Turn out we have to

1238
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: clean them and shop them up and all that stuff.

1239
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're turning. It's it's I I love those

1240
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: ingredients because you can't find them in a store, and

1241
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: they just taste so much different than anything you do

1242
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: find in a store. So it's even even some of

1243
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: the mushrooms are things you can buy in the store.

1244
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: When you buy them or you pick them yourself, there's

1245
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: more of a connection to it. But they're just fresher.

1246
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: They taste better when they're like two or three days

1247
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: old versus the store. You don't know how long it's

1248
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: been in there. Also, my kids about this the r

1249
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: day because the difference between the strawberries you grow and

1250
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: the ones you buy. I don't understand what goes wrong?

1251
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: Why are they huge? Well? Yeah, yeah, why are the

1252
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: ones in the store like the size of an apple

1253
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: and taste like nothing? Like I don't get like if

1254
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: you told me how is it easier to grow on

1255
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: that tastes real good? Like if you told me to

1256
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: grow like a shitty strawberry, I wouldn't know where to begin. Yeah,

1257
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean, anytime I've ever grown them, like growing up

1258
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Speaker 1: I had him, I've had them at a couple of

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Speaker 1: houses where he started strawberry patches. They always are good

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01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: but like, what is it? How do you why is

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Speaker 1: it so hard to make a bad strawberry? And why

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01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: are there so many bad strawberries for sale? But what

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Speaker 1: you're saying, like even things you can get in the

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Speaker 1: store is good. Tomatoes are the same way. Well, I

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Speaker 1: mean GMO like you have. I don't think like Arctic

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Speaker 1: fish combine like introduced to strawberries to make shelf life longer.

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Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, I mean GMO being that you can

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Speaker 1: do that to wind up having strawberries that live forever,

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01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: and they're probably like you know, I've heard if they go,

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Speaker 1: they gas them, they do all kinds of things to

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Speaker 1: make them turn red. And you know who knows. You

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Speaker 1: gotta wonder if hydroponic stuff hasn't fed, like not being

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01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: in the crop rotation, like if they're just playing the

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Speaker 1: same thing over and over and over and over and

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01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: over again in that same soil, Like how's it gonna

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Speaker 1: taste good? Yeah? I don't know all the above, man, God,

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Speaker 1: strawberries taste when you make yourself though, anything that you

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Speaker 1: have in your own guarden, you like, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: you pick a straw like tomato, like you said, and

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01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: it's warm from the sun and then you cut that

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Speaker 1: up and just put salt on it. It's amazing, It's incredible.

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Speaker 1: You know. So I think, you know, as as a chef,

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01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: that search for the purest ingredients is really what led

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Speaker 1: me to hunting and foraging and fishing. What do you

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Speaker 1: do for fish in your restaurant? So we only sell wildfish, um,

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01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: and it's only from uh, you know, Canada. Um. And

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Speaker 1: so we you know, we're lucky we have the Great Lakes. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So there's perch, there's whitefish, um, you know, rainbow trout,

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Speaker 1: and then um, you know, the Pacific Ocean, the Atlantic

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Speaker 1: Ocean and the Arctic Ocean. So we have you know, um,

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01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: Arctic char um, you know, halibut, salmon, rock fish, um,

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Speaker 1: you know crabs. You guys will still perch? Yeah, I

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01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,919
Speaker 1: love perch. What do you do with the perku either

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01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: fry it or you know, you know, two or three

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01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: filets for an order kind of but I like I

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01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: like frying it. Yeah. Yeah. Um. Spot prons, I love

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Speaker 1: spot prons. They're incredible. Um. And what do you guys

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Speaker 1: do with the venison you have in your restaurant? So

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Speaker 1: we do a couple of different things. Event we do

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01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: one is really fun. We put it in our burger meat.

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Speaker 1: We do a mix of that of of of weld boar,

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01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: bison and deer. Um. We do these venison patties which

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01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: are really cool. What do you put for fat in there? Um?

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01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 1: So for the burger it's the it's the boar, the

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01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: farms boar. It's kind of fatty like porkum. The meat

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01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: still different, like the meat is very dark um. But

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01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: and then a kind of like it turned into a

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01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: signature dish we do. We do venison two ways. So

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Speaker 1: we do a stew with the neck and the shanks

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01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: and stuff, and then we put that we pair that

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01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: with a steak from one of the primal cuts um.

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01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: And then for that the steak we do an ash

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01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,879
Speaker 1: spice which is really kind of flavorful um sweet spice.

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01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 1: We do cinnamon and star and niece juniper uh cloves

1315
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: and then we toast those till they're super dark and

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01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: black um. And then we grind nose up and then

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01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: put them through a sieve to get all the large

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01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: chunks out and this really fine black powder um. And

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01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: then we hence the ash, hence the ash, and we

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01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: roll that uh you know the steak in that and

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01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 1: then just here that nice and rare, so it's it's

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Speaker 1: cool and you cut it, it's got like a black

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01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 1: line and then red and then that goes on the

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Speaker 1: stew um. It's kind of neat. So because we, like

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Speaker 1: I said earlier, we we buy a whole deer, so

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Speaker 1: we get all these off cuts. We have to figure

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01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: out something to do with what do you what do

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01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,759
Speaker 1: you want to buy a whole deer from a deer farmer?

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Speaker 1: What is the cost of that there? I think it's

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01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: like eight bucks a pound or yeah, he he charges

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01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: eight a pound. Um when you're saying deer, are you

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01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: saying red deer? We're buying right there. So they're bigger,

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01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: they're about it where you know, clean y. Yeah, yeah,

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01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: they're they're very similar in size. So we're getting those

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01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: deer there anywhere from a d fifty pounds and they'll

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01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: charge you like eight a pound for that. Yeah. We

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01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: gotta break it down, including the bones, so there's a

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01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: lot of and then we make stock with the bones.

1339
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: And you know, we don't waste anything, so we use

1340
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 1: every little scrap of it. It's really neat. Earlier we

1341
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: were talking about we got on the subject of of

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01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: restrictions that you deal with in Canada, and we talked

1343
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: about emerging gun laws, like you're kind of vocal about this, right,

1344
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm very vocal about it because that it's affecting me personally,

1345
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: and the gun laws aren't doing anything to help crime,

1346
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: which is which is a problem because that's the thing,

1347
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: like a thing that people are aware of. I think that, like,

1348
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, talk about this sort of like perception of

1349
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: if you're in the US, you have a perception of

1350
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: locals on people who are aware, like, oh, Canada, you

1351
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: know they're gun laws. They suck. But what is it?

1352
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: So like, what can you Let's say you just want

1353
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: to Let's say you're a Canadian citizen and you want

1354
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: to go out and just buy Um, you want to

1355
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: buy a rifle. You wanna buy a d rifle, put

1356
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: a scope on it, bolt action rifle, put a scope

1357
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: on it. Um. Do they make that difficult? Yes, it's difficult.

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01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: You have to do a safety course, which I think

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01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: is a good thing. Um, But after you do that

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01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: safety course, you like my wife just waited seven or

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01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 1: eight months to get our license. In the mail, it's

1362
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: always supposed to take forty five days. So there's like

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01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: a forty five day mandatory waiting period, which, sure, maybe

1364
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. You're piste off. You just do

1365
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: your safety course. You have a grudge or something, and

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01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: that you have to wait for five days to go

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01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: buy a gun. You get so mad at someone. Yeah,

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01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: you go down and take your safety course. So like,

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01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: I think you gotta right, you gotta put a note

1370
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: on your fridge, stay mad at Bob. So I think

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01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, there are some common sense of like a

1372
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: safety course. Sure, that's a good thing. I think everyone

1373
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: that owns fire should have to take a safety course.

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01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: That wouldn't fly here. But because what the problem is

1375
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: that once they passed those lots, like, we don't have

1376
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: a right to own firearms in Canada. So I think

1377
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: that's no that that's what you're saying, Like you wish

1378
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: that you had an equivalent of the Second Amendment. That's

1379
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 1: the problem because so they never like codify it anywhere

1380
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: that to some extent, you know, so it's a privilege.

1381
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: There's no opening, there's no like, there's no sort of

1382
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: foundational understanding. So in no situation can you roll down

1383
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 1: to the gun shop and walk away with one No

1384
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: now once you have your license, your non restricted license,

1385
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: you can okay, Um, like pistols and and a RS

1386
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: well airs have just been banned. So but what what

1387
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: we because I still I want to get to that,

1388
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: but want me through the first Like do you get

1389
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: a rifle, you have to do a safety course. It's

1390
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: involve proficiency. No, well you have to handle some dummy

1391
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: firearms that have had the firing pins removed. So safety,

1392
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, work in the action, loading, unloading, you know,

1393
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 1: dummy bullets. All wants to take to do the class.

1394
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: It's a weekend course like to it's kind of going

1395
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: to hunter safety exactly. And then they're like you are

1396
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: now a safe person and they hand you and they

1397
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: mail you a thing. They mail you a thing you

1398
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: know eight months later that course, like does it cover

1399
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: long guns and handguns or is it specific? So that

1400
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: is specific to long guns. Um, so that's anything over

1401
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: eighteen inch barrel I think is eighteen and a half

1402
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: inch barrel, So that's you know, your shotguns and your

1403
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: bolt actions, you know, break action stuff like that. They

1404
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: just show you they have the different styles of firearms

1405
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: on the table and they should they teach you how

1406
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: to work them. And unload them and all that stuff. Um,

1407
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that's a good thing. Um.

1408
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 1: But where where the issue is is now they've created

1409
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 1: all these new laws and they're taking away people's property

1410
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: that aren't part of the problem of what's going on. So,

1411
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: you know, we have you know, you know, gang shootings

1412
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 1: in the cities, and these people aren't following rules. They

1413
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: don't have licenses, they don't go into stores and buy guns.

1414
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: But that's the perception for people that don't own guns,

1415
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: Like when COVID hit, gun stores are actually posting that

1416
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: people are going to gun stores trying to buy a

1417
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: gun because they're worried about looting and and and being unsafe,

1418
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: and then they get laughed at by the store owners

1419
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: that say you need a license, and they're like what

1420
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: they weren't even people don't even wear it, Like it's

1421
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: just the perception that, you know, to get a gun,

1422
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: you just go buy a gun in Canada, and that's

1423
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: not the case. So criminals, uh, they're not like, dude,

1424
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: I'm fixing the committed crime, but I'm waiting for my yeah,

1425
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: waiting for a license. Yeah. So that's that's where I

1426
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: take issues, because they've recently banned over different firearms in

1427
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: Canada and criminals they're not going to get in the license,

1428
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: they're not registering these guns and they're committing committing the crimes,

1429
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: and it's it just sucks. And I'm personally losing some

1430
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 1: some weapons that i've or firearms that I've hunting hunted with,

1431
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: Like you'll need to go down and hand them over.

1432
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: That they haven't worked out the details yet because this

1433
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: is so new. It happened on March, but that's in

1434
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: two years. We have a two year amnesty where we

1435
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 1: can either hand them over or they're going to grandfather them,

1436
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 1: is what they've spoken about, but it's not there's no

1437
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: details yet. How with you owning a restaurant, is that

1438
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: is that your primary like livelihood? Your restaurants your primary livelood? Um?

1439
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: How tied in? Like let me give you, uh, McDonald's.

1440
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: I don't know the first thing about the CEO McDonald's. Okay,

1441
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what he thinks about anything. Okay. I

1442
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: think the most people say to say, most people to

1443
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: go to McDonald's, um will go there with no knowledge

1444
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: of what McDonald stands for politically. Uh. In fact, people

1445
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: will startily talk about getting an attack for various things.

1446
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: You know, we'll always here from people on social media,

1447
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 1: like I can't believe you would you know, associate with

1448
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: such and such because they're not this person, They're not

1449
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: program enough Like who made your phone? Like you're typing

1450
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: this on a phone? Tell me about CEO of the

1451
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 1: phone company that you're using? Like are they do? They

1452
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: do they pass your muster? Right? So do you find

1453
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: that people? Um? Do you find that people will suss

1454
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: out with your restaurant like, Oh, here's a person who's

1455
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: vocal about gun rights and then reward or punish you

1456
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: or here's it. Like is your sort of social media

1457
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: self like very different from your restaurant self. I try,

1458
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: I definitely keep it separate. But what you know, is

1459
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: it risking for you to engage in cultural I think yes,

1460
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: it is for sure, And it's something that my my

1461
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: my business partner is very concerned about. So like he's

1462
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 1: like x n A on the Yes, I've had several chats. Um,

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01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 1: so yeah, Like you know, I try, you know, the

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Speaker 1: opinions expressed or my own like that's on my Twitter,

1465
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: So has nothing to do with the business, because there's

1466
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:58,719
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of other people at the business

1467
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: that run the business. You know, it's not it's not

1468
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: fair to punish them because, uh, you know, I'm I'm

1469
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 1: in Canada, pro gun, let's say. But um, you know,

1470
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: but the big problem is is our judicial system and

1471
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: they're not punishing these criminals that are committing these crimes

1472
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: like someone's caught with a gun in there. So let's

1473
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 1: talk about restricted guns. So that's pistols and and and

1474
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: semi automatics with a shorter barrel. So in Canada, for

1475
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: me to transport my pistol, or for for me to

1476
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: use my pistol, I have to have a separate license,

1477
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: which is called a non restricted gun license. And then

1478
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 1: the only place I can shoot that pistol is at

1479
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: a gun range. And then if I want to transport

1480
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: that pistol, I have to have a trigger lock on

1481
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 1: it and then in a locked case, so it's double

1482
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:42,440
Speaker 1: locked and the ammunition is separate. That's our laws for pistols.

1483
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: So we have people walking around the streets of Toronto

1484
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: with pistols in their pockets that aren't double locked and loaded,

1485
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: and they get arrested and they make bail and they're

1486
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: out on the street in two days or twenty four hours,

1487
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: they're on bail walking around again. That's why I think

1488
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 1: frustrates a lot of people about when you get into

1489
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:05,839
Speaker 1: the gun controlled debate, Is it seems that the same um,

1490
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:16,520
Speaker 1: the same sort of political persuasion that would favor restrictions

1491
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: on firearms. Not seems it's like this is like generally

1492
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: true an individual inclined toward restricting access to firearms probably

1493
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: not even probably like is inclined towards not punishing crime

1494
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: as as Yeah, it'd be like I want to make

1495
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 1: more things illegal, but do less shipped to people who

1496
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: do illegal things. It's unfortunate. And the other thing is

1497
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 1: unfortunate is you know, I have these views about guns

1498
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: because I'm a hunter and I use guns, but so

1499
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm like a far right extremist all of

1500
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 1: a sudden, Like my wife got chewed out at like

1501
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: a family party by like one of someone's neighbor. Oh,

1502
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 1: your husband is he's so right wing? All of a sudden,

1503
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm not necessarily right wing. I have some

1504
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: right wing views. I have some left views as well.

1505
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 1: Like I'm that's you confused, it's you confusing for you

1506
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: it's like I'm I'm I'm pretty middle road with a

1507
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: lot of stuff, and um, yeah, and it's just funny

1508
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: because because I'm a hunter, because I have these views

1509
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 1: about guns, now I'm this right wing extremist all of

1510
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: a sudden, and I'm like, well, it's not really true

1511
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: as far as save a pig goes you are, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1512
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 1: and it's it's just yeah, it's I know, it is

1513
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,719
Speaker 1: a little bit painful like that, and it's it's winds

1514
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: up being a thing. I don't think it's going away

1515
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: anytime soon. This idea that, um, there's all these litmus

1516
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:46,480
Speaker 1: there's like these litmus tests, and depending on a person's sensibility,

1517
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: they they all have varying litmus tests, but they'll take

1518
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 1: like your stance on X and then extract lay out

1519
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: from there to make a bunch of judges about how

1520
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: you feel about a ton of things. And differently we

1521
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 1: use different limus tests. You know, you could ask someone

1522
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: a question, like you could ask someone a policy, you know,

1523
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: like a policy question. Your answer to the policy question,

1524
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:16,679
Speaker 1: um would then indicate, uh, you know that you're a racist?

1525
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: Are not a racist? I thought we're talking about like

1526
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 1: a specific policy question or that, like, how do you

1527
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: feel about firearms if you're like, if you like sort

1528
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: of look at the legal structure and you're uncomfortable with

1529
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: restrictions on firearms that they want to then sort of

1530
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: like neutralize your voice by painting you into some kind

1531
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 1: of like radical element where nothing you say can be

1532
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: trusted because you're radicalized. Uh. It's unfortunate the degree to

1533
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: which he's starting to happen. I'm sure it's always happened

1534
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 1: a bit, but it seems to be happening more and

1535
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: more and more. Now you become, Yeah, you become it's

1536
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: more likely to be that you'll you be crucified for

1537
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: some um portion of what you think, but crucified on

1538
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 1: a wide scale level. Made Yeah, made to pay in

1539
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 1: a lot of like made to pay in a wide way.

1540
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 1: I find myself running the other direction of it, man,

1541
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: and trying to be more u h. Even things that

1542
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 1: I'm like personally that I feel really strongly about, um,

1543
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: you know, land issues and conservation issues and habitat issues, right. Uh,

1544
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,719
Speaker 1: even when I hear someone that would that would say

1545
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 1: something that violates my like deeply held feelings about it,

1546
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 1: and I'd be like I would normally think like, that's

1547
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: a what you just said is evil. I will now

1548
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: assume that you're evil and everything about you is evil.

1549
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 1: I know. I'm like, oh, I'm it, man, don't do

1550
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: to this guy what you would hate to have done

1551
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 1: with you. You know what else say? I think the

1552
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 1: government should give all that land up, no one should

1553
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 1: ever go on it ever. Again, I'm like, all right, man,

1554
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 1: you know you're probably a good guy, so let's let's

1555
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 1: talk for a minute about that and not commit the

1556
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: same thing that I hate. That's a good point, that's

1557
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 1: very mature. Well, I don't know. I'm halfway to ninety.

1558
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 1: The fact that I eventually got to a point where

1559
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,799
Speaker 1: I would like try to attempt to engage with people

1560
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 1: in a debate the way that I would like them

1561
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,759
Speaker 1: to approach me. It's hard to be a nuanced thinker,

1562
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 1: I think. You know, it's you know, it's like, well,

1563
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 1: it's not encouraged politically, definitely not at all. But you know,

1564
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 1: do I do I judge you to be on my

1565
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 1: side or not? Are you a threat to me or

1566
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: are you safe for me? Based upon whatever my own

1567
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 1: individual calculus is of that, And I think that really

1568
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 1: undermines all of us. I just got a a friend

1569
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: of mine emailed me an article late last night. It's

1570
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 1: in the it's in the papers now that the Museum

1571
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 1: of Natural History of New York was like, oh, you know,

1572
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: we're taking down our Theodore Roosevelt statue. And the statue

1573
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: and question is Theodore Roosevelt. He's like up on a

1574
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 1: horse sort of you know, it's like very virile, conquering

1575
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:11,600
Speaker 1: hors thing, and too sort of behind him walking is

1576
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: a Native American on one side, and I don't know

1577
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 1: if it's an I should say an African American someone

1578
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 1: of African descent on his other side, kind of walking

1579
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 1: walking behind him while he's up on this horse. And

1580
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: you look at it sort of like he's leading the chart,

1581
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 1: I whatever know, leading the charge. I look at it

1582
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: in my initial like I go through all these things

1583
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: where I look at him like and I was pissed

1584
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 1: right at first, because because I'm thinking, well, how now

1585
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 1: are we gonna now? Are we gonna throw out the

1586
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: father of American conservation? You know? Are we done with

1587
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: that now? Like he was so contextually, he was so

1588
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: ahead of his time that most politicians haven't caught up

1589
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 1: with the guy a hundred and twenty years later, like

1590
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: a real controversial putting his neck out for wilderness in Wildlife.

1591
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, are they really gonna piss that away?

1592
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: But then like read the article, which is not what

1593
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: I initially didn't read it until then I got all mad.

1594
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: Then the next day read the article. It turns out

1595
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: they're going in and naming in the museum. They're actually

1596
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: naming extra ship after Roosevelt. They're doubling down on Roosevelt.

1597
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: They're just saying this particular statue is problematic, Like this

1598
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: depiction is problematic. Do we think that the man is problematic? No,

1599
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: in fact, we're gonna go name more ship after him.

1600
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 1: His father was like a founding member member. He has

1601
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 1: this like great history. But you gotta get down to

1602
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: the bottom of the article to get there. But I

1603
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:55,759
Speaker 1: was already too piste because the headline. But Roosevelt also

1604
01:24:55,800 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 1: has some things you got a question too, things that

1605
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: viewpoints that he held, you know. So Lincoln, well I

1606
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,839
Speaker 1: get that. I'm just saying you're never You're never brody,

1607
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 1: You're never gonna kill them all. Oh, I know, I'm

1608
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 1: not saying we That's not my goal. I'm saying that

1609
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: people are just more aware of sure that this is

1610
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 1: way beyond the scope what we talked about. We can

1611
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 1: go back to real quick. I want to go back

1612
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: to food. I want to go back to food, but

1613
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: real quick. Man, Um, I I'm gonna choose my words

1614
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 1: careful here. I get very uneasy around um applying a

1615
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: modern lens in all cases to people who, to individuals who,

1616
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: especially individuals who at the time we're beginning to poke

1617
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: holes in in question the thing that they're not being

1618
01:25:55,840 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 1: condemned for, and in the position in front of the

1619
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: natural History Museum. The Natural History Museum isn't called the

1620
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: the colonialism Museum. It's about a commitment two conservation. I

1621
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: feel like if I was at if I was involved

1622
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 1: in that debate, I'd be like, oh, I don't give

1623
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: a ship. Take that one down. Let's put up a

1624
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 1: different one of the same person there, like it's it's not,

1625
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:30,640
Speaker 1: it's not I don't care about like this particular you

1626
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 1: know what that statue. Don't know if you call this

1627
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 1: cren that was made by the guy who carved the

1628
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:38,759
Speaker 1: buffalo head Nickel. Oh no, I didn't. I was James Fraser.

1629
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 1: He did the buffalo head nickel off of buffalo in

1630
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 1: a in a in a um a buffalo in his

1631
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 1: zoo in New York. People were real disappointed with his nickel,

1632
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 1: but he, um yeah, it's kind of like he thought

1633
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: that everything was like a shitty looking, morose looking buffalo.

1634
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: But um yeah, the same sculpture that did this, this

1635
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: Roosevelt statue in question. It's like, I don't maybe I'm

1636
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: naive or whatever. I'm like juvenile, but I don't like

1637
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 1: I need certain I think that like certain heroes are

1638
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: helpful to have. Sure, I sit on the board of

1639
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: the theatore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership was puts it puts its

1640
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: ass on the line all the time, you know, for

1641
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 1: wildlife and habitat. So now is it like, uh are

1642
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 1: they bad? No? And I don't think I was ever

1643
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:32,600
Speaker 1: saying I don't think talking to like behind you there's

1644
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, optics that are being exposed these days that

1645
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 1: people are question. Here's here's part of a press release.

1646
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 1: Um So, while the statue is meant to celebrate Roosevelt

1647
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 1: as a quote devoted naturalist and author of works on

1648
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 1: natural history, the statue also quote communicates a racial hierarchy

1649
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: that the museum and members of the public have long

1650
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 1: found disturbing. So I understand how folks who disagree UH

1651
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 1: see the Native American and African man flanking Roosevelt as

1652
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: um modeled in a position that's subordinate to him. And

1653
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 1: I can also understand how folks might see them as

1654
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: proxies for people of color today. UM. You know, symbols

1655
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 1: can be very powerful UM. You know, like the if

1656
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: we look at the origin of the word monument, it

1657
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 1: literally means calling to mind, like something, something that reminds.

1658
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 1: So I recently heard this UM interview on NPR with

1659
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 1: a historian. He was addressing Confederate statues and he offered

1660
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: up what I thought to be a unique idea UM

1661
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 1: in addressing them, and he was saying that he thought

1662
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:47,719
Speaker 1: the statues should stay where they are, but come with UM.

1663
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 1: I think his wording was come with a footnote of

1664
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 1: epic proportions. UM. So what I took that to mean

1665
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 1: was that there are some kind of an additive process.

1666
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 1: So you keep the statutes where they are, UM, and

1667
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: either with a placard or you know, you can take

1668
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 1: a lot of artistic license in representing something additive to

1669
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 1: the statute to put it in context, um, and to

1670
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 1: kind of address its place in time, um as we

1671
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 1: see it today. Yeah. Or here's another fix. Have someone

1672
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 1: make his compatriots on bigger horses them with put him

1673
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 1: on pegasus like winged horses that are way bigger than

1674
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 1: Roosevelt's horse. I don't care. I'm just so reluctant to uh,

1675
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 1: the number of the amount of people who have been

1676
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 1: inspired by him and what he did, The amount of

1677
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 1: people have been inspired to engage in the environmental battle

1678
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 1: and to engage in wildlife conservation have been inspired by

1679
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 1: the image watch the How much damage are you? Like,

1680
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:05,680
Speaker 1: how much damage are you inflicting to people's understanding? I'm

1681
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 1: not the guy to make up these I'm not I'm

1682
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 1: not the guy to like to answer this question. Were

1683
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: what we were talking about earlier? You know, it's like

1684
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 1: picking one issue, like you can't whatever the guy was like,

1685
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 1: he was still a great conservationist, right, Like that's a fact. Yeah,

1686
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:22,640
Speaker 1: but man, be where the teeter totter? No, that's not

1687
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for. What's it called when something

1688
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 1: swings that comes back? But where the pendulum? Uh, you're

1689
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 1: gonna move away? You're talking about moving away from where

1690
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: you live now, I don't know. I gotta have to

1691
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: consult my wife with that one. But it's it's hard

1692
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 1: because I'm just too hot in Toronto. I mean hot,

1693
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 1: like politically hot. It's it's getting a little politically hot. Uh.

1694
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 1: You know, we do have our sights on on BC

1695
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 1: where where she's from. Um, it's it's a mecca for

1696
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 1: hunting and foraging and fishing out there. Lots of friends there,

1697
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: and you know, it is a dream to to open

1698
01:30:57,479 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 1: a restaurant there one day. If you've factor in the

1699
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:06,799
Speaker 1: trouble with the vegan protesters, the animal rights protesters, issues

1700
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: around firearms and stuff that you might get in trouble for.

1701
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: Do you find that has generally been advantageous to be

1702
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 1: too self identify as a hunter and to be vocal

1703
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 1: about that from a business standpoint or do you feel

1704
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: like you would have especially kicked ass if you hadn't

1705
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 1: been so vocal. I don't know, like I've I think

1706
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 1: I was just raised uh to you know, be yourself.

1707
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 1: And I just like I cook what I want to cook,

1708
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 1: I say what I want to say. Um, you know,

1709
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:42,600
Speaker 1: and I you know, in terms of food, I just

1710
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 1: hope people enjoy it. And you know your customers are

1711
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 1: the critics. Um. You know with with food, UM, but

1712
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 1: but my voice, you know, I I do my best

1713
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 1: to try and keep it separate from the business as

1714
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 1: much as I can. UM. But you know, we we

1715
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: do get a lot of hunters that come uh to

1716
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 1: talk to us about hunting. And we had a lot

1717
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 1: of guys that come and say, you know, I've never

1718
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 1: had a deer steak taste this good? You know, you

1719
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 1: gotta give me the recipe for the spice or whatever.

1720
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 1: That's cool. You know it's hunters will come and bring

1721
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 1: me hats from like their ducks, Unlimited Chapter or whatever

1722
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:14,600
Speaker 1: it is, and it's it's cool. You know, we get it.

1723
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: We certainly get a connection with a group of people

1724
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 1: we may not have had a connection with if there

1725
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: wasn't the hunting aspect to the business. Who came up

1726
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: with the idea to call it antler um That was

1727
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:29,719
Speaker 1: a group decision, so there was Originally there was supposed

1728
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 1: to be three partners wanted up backing out because they

1729
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:34,679
Speaker 1: were having a baby. I didn't want to risk it. Um,

1730
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 1: But my my business partner, Jody Shapiro, and I and

1731
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: another friend we had a you know, big whiteboard and

1732
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 1: three hundred names on there and we're just you know,

1733
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 1: picking and choosing and and did you guys ever consider

1734
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 1: like big huge antler. Yeah, we I forget some of

1735
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 1: the earlier names. We've actually got some photos of the names,

1736
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 1: like there's but there were some funny ones. Um, but

1737
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 1: antler was supposed to just represent also like a shed

1738
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 1: antler on the ground and we actually have on on

1739
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 1: the restaurant wall when you walk in. It was from

1740
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 1: antlers would be different, Yeah, it's just from Jody's cottage. Well,

1741
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 1: there was a place called Antlers in the up I've

1742
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 1: I've researched and film. Do you have a do you

1743
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 1: have a bunch of like mounts and stuff? There's only one.

1744
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 1: So we didn't want it to be like super Hunting Lounge.

1745
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: You just wanted to be like Cabin in the woods. Still,

1746
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:22,759
Speaker 1: so there is a there's my first buck eural mount

1747
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,759
Speaker 1: that I did myself on the wall above the chefs table,

1748
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 1: and then there's the single antler when you walk in. Um,

1749
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 1: we we have a couple of new editions. There's a

1750
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 1: black duck. Now my friend shot he was moving and

1751
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 1: he was like, here, take this I get, I don't

1752
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,679
Speaker 1: want to move it. Um, So we have his it's

1753
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 1: this beautiful black duck mount um on the bar above

1754
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 1: the bar, and then uh what else, there's a couple

1755
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 1: of like some pheasant feathers I think tail feathers coming

1756
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 1: out of ase somewhere. But it's not it's not like

1757
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 1: super in your face. We shoot things. How much does

1758
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: it cost? Uh? You probably know this in U s dollars?

1759
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 1: Like what's it? Costic goal eat in your restaurant? Uh?

1760
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 1: It varies. So like we have burger that's you know,

1761
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: eighteen bucks or something like it's it's not uh you know,

1762
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 1: it's it depends what you want. Like you can have uh,

1763
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, a burger and a beer and leave for

1764
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:12,679
Speaker 1: you know, under thirty bucks. If you want our bison

1765
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 1: rebuy those things are a bit more pricey. I think

1766
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 1: that's like forty five bucks. Um, because the games have

1767
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 1: is also a bit more expensive than the running run

1768
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: of the mill um or even like nice beef are

1769
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:26,800
Speaker 1: are the bison is always more more money just for

1770
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 1: me to even buy it. So do you feel like

1771
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 1: your restaurant is also a place where people come in

1772
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 1: and ask you questions? About game and hunting and learn

1773
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 1: a thing or two, you know, like a lot of

1774
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 1: uh people eating game for the first time. Like we

1775
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 1: had chicken on the menu when we first opened, like

1776
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 1: just in case someone on the date didn't want to

1777
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:47,720
Speaker 1: eat here, you know, and we just end up eating

1778
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 1: it all the time. So before it went bad because

1779
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 1: no one ordered it, you know, people were coming to

1780
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 1: try new things. Um. And then we have a lot

1781
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: of fish too, so people aren't into red meat or game.

1782
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 1: They have fish, so um, and that's something I love

1783
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 1: and I we joke around it all the time. I

1784
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,439
Speaker 1: wish I could sell more fish. And then I was like,

1785
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, hurting on the service one day to being

1786
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 1: like you know, guys, why can't you sell the fish?

1787
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 1: And there like I don't know, dude, you named your

1788
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 1: restaurant antler, Like I can't help you. Man. So we

1789
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:14,800
Speaker 1: have a couple of fish dishes, but I would love

1790
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 1: to do more. But it's just not what people are

1791
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 1: coming for. Do you guys do any like butchering classes

1792
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: or anything? Like we're too small, Like I would love

1793
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:24,280
Speaker 1: two people do ask me all the time. Um. And

1794
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 1: it's like I also have two kids and and my

1795
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 1: wife and it's it's you know, it's hard now finding

1796
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 1: that balance between you know, being a chef and having

1797
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 1: a family. You have a second kid after the one

1798
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:37,600
Speaker 1: that you have in your nineteen or two more, Uh no,

1799
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 1: I have two kids. So but yeah, so my son

1800
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:43,400
Speaker 1: was just born six years later, so there's six between them. Yeah,

1801
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 1: oh that's not bad. Yeah, when you get time to

1802
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 1: hunt and fish on your own. So now, just because

1803
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:51,680
Speaker 1: we we wanted to, we open the restaurant, and it

1804
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 1: really we stopped working on the book. So we thought, okay,

1805
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 1: we'll have the restaurant, will be like a playground to

1806
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 1: shoot the book. And that was totally not the case.

1807
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 1: The book is real front and center through so and

1808
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 1: and you know, we we had to hire more stats. Okay,

1809
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:07,679
Speaker 1: we've gotta get this book done. And then we hired

1810
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 1: it's called like a cheft cuisine, like a head cheft

1811
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,360
Speaker 1: or run the place. So now he he's really in

1812
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 1: charge of the menu. Um, you know, he there's a

1813
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 1: couple of things that are kind of signatures that don't leave.

1814
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 1: But um, for the most part, it's you know, it's

1815
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: his menu. He'll he'll come to us with new dishes

1816
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 1: and you know sometimes I'm a part of them. Sometimes

1817
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm not um and that that was really uh for

1818
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 1: for us to be able to finish the book. But

1819
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 1: also I get to spend more time with my family

1820
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,640
Speaker 1: now and uh and focus. So there's other things, you know.

1821
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 1: I'm working with some outdoor brands now, um, some hunting

1822
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:39,640
Speaker 1: companies stuff like that, which which I love. And I

1823
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 1: just think, like the older I'm getting, the more time

1824
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 1: I want to spend outside. And it's it's a really

1825
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 1: hard struggle for me. You realize your time outside is

1826
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 1: running out at a certain I miss it and I

1827
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 1: get I get edgy if I don't go into nature

1828
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 1: once a week or something like. I'm just um. And

1829
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, I want to pass this on to my

1830
01:36:57,439 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: kids now, and I want it's really important for me

1831
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 1: to teach them about and fishing and and now I'm

1832
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 1: bringing them out into the field more. And my my

1833
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 1: daughter has their licenses. Uh, you know, my son is

1834
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 1: itching to get his hunting license when he's twelve. And

1835
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:12,680
Speaker 1: it's it's uh, it's it's really cool. Do you uh

1836
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 1: do you want your kids going to to be in

1837
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:17,840
Speaker 1: chefs and going to restaurant business or do you use

1838
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:20,439
Speaker 1: against doing that? No, it's it's whatever makes them happy.

1839
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 1: Right Like, if if they want to take on the

1840
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 1: business or or get involved, h you know, that's great.

1841
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 1: If they don't, I totally support whatever they want to do. Um,

1842
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:32,719
Speaker 1: because it's a tough business. It's really tough, and it's

1843
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 1: uh it's backwards. You know, you're working when everyone else

1844
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:37,559
Speaker 1: is off. So it's it's it's tough to have a family,

1845
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:41,839
Speaker 1: it's tough to see your friends. Um, you know, because

1846
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:43,880
Speaker 1: it's sort of the backwards industry. There's a lot of

1847
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:46,879
Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol abuse and stuffing that within the industry,

1848
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:49,600
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a tough one and it's the

1849
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 1: financial reward for the amount of hours you put in

1850
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:58,280
Speaker 1: doesn't pay off for a very long time. Um. You know.

1851
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:00,599
Speaker 1: People see chefs on TV and they make tons of money,

1852
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, there were they're also been chefs

1853
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:04,799
Speaker 1: for their entire lives, you know, and you're as an apprentice.

1854
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 1: You make minimum wage at best, and you can't make

1855
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 1: a living off that, you know, So it's it's a

1856
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 1: it's a it's like I didn't start making a decent paycheck.

1857
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 1: He was like a ten year mark for me where

1858
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 1: I made absolute ship for a long time. And then

1859
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, after ten or fifteen years in the business,

1860
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 1: I actually got like a decent paycheck. It was like wow,

1861
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:25,639
Speaker 1: like I'm actually I'm getting it was my first head

1862
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 1: chef job, and it was like, whoa, that's similar to

1863
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 1: be a writer. Yeah, you know a lot of people

1864
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 1: you got you stick with it for a decade, yeah,

1865
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 1: before it turns into anything like if you're good. Yeah.

1866
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 1: A lot of people stick with a decade never but

1867
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 1: very few people launch. It's like it's a long commitment. Man.

1868
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 1: It seems like that's common in the food world and

1869
01:38:46,439 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: anything that touches on art. Yeah, soil exactly. Art. It's

1870
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:54,120
Speaker 1: like it's a total artists type of of lifestyle. So

1871
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 1: it's it's tough and yeah, so I support my kids

1872
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 1: and whatever they want to do. My my daughter's uh,

1873
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 1: he's taking interest in environmental sciences and or political yeah,

1874
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 1: no environmental stuff. And she's looking at a university where

1875
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 1: um they have a strong like environmental program. So well, man,

1876
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 1: I hope the vegans leave you alone. Thank you. I

1877
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:17,200
Speaker 1: gotta ask before you go, I gotta ask about that.

1878
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:20,040
Speaker 1: You have to notice that Steve, I was noticing that

1879
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 1: looked like turkey feathers. So I got a turkey wing.

1880
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:24,719
Speaker 1: What are we looking at? I got deer in my antler.

1881
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 1: That's the coolest tattoo I've ever seen. Let me get

1882
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 1: a better look. I knew it was Turkey's a turkey wing. Oh,

1883
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 1: you did the whole wing. And then my wedding band

1884
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:35,560
Speaker 1: has antler in it, which is neat. And then uh,

1885
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:37,880
Speaker 1: I got the first buck I shot in tattooed on

1886
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:41,720
Speaker 1: my neck. I got mine on the water bottle, but

1887
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't the first one I got, So lose that bottle.

1888
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 1: You're not gonna lose that. Let me see that buck again.

1889
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:52,679
Speaker 1: So it's actually funny. It's like a seven pointer antler's broke,

1890
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:55,760
Speaker 1: So it's kind of funny. It did your wife like that?

1891
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:58,599
Speaker 1: I think she does? Yeah? Did you ask her? H Yeah,

1892
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 1: I think she likes it. Yeah, I had it before

1893
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:04,679
Speaker 1: I met her, so I'll say say, yeah, I wonder

1894
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 1: what she's I wish I she was here, So next

1895
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 1: I love like I flew in and this this this

1896
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 1: state is beautiful, So you're definitely gonna have to come

1897
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: back with her and spend more time. So next time,

1898
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 1: she's really she's into the outdoor lifestyle. So good, she

1899
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 1: should get along with everybody here. Good. Well, thanks for

1900
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 1: coming on, man, thank you so much for having me.

1901
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 1: I hope they people leave your restaurant alone. Well, this

1902
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:29,720
Speaker 1: is good for business. I don't know, well, you know,

1903
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:34,439
Speaker 1: should come back. They have left us alone. But you

1904
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 1: know what the funny thing was, we were getting vegans

1905
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 1: coming in for dinner to support us because they said

1906
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:41,759
Speaker 1: they didn't want because we have vegan stuff on the menu.

1907
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 1: Like it was. It was just so bizarre. Yeah, like

1908
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 1: I feel like you should that should be applauded. Yeah,

1909
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 1: we welcome everybody. And that's that's something else I want

1910
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 1: to say, like, you know, whether you eat kosher or

1911
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:54,080
Speaker 1: halal or vegan, like whatever you eat, like you're welcome

1912
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 1: and that. That's what was so bizarre for us was

1913
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:59,639
Speaker 1: we didn't understand why they singled this out. But yeah,

1914
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,720
Speaker 1: I'm glad you survived. Thank you for having me. That's

1915
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 1: how I took note to you and those old as

1916
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:06,679
Speaker 1: now but that's when I was like, wow, that's interesting,

1917
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:08,320
Speaker 1: and thank you for your you know, your quote in

1918
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 1: the back of the book. Oh yeah, if nothing else,

1919
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:12,400
Speaker 1: buy the new book. Tell people the name of the book.

1920
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 1: We haven't done that. The book is the Hunter Chef

1921
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 1: to tell people to buy buy the book just to

1922
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:22,080
Speaker 1: read my blurb. Yeah, never mind. Yeah, And that's so

1923
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:24,600
Speaker 1: October six coming up. But the pre sale link is

1924
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to go up the Hunter chef dot com

1925
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:31,960
Speaker 1: June twenty nine. Are there way better blurbs of mine? Uh? No,

1926
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 1: I was. I was very honored by what you wrote.

1927
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 1: So thank you very much. Yeah, it was very just

1928
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 1: gonna put my blurb on the outside of the inside

1929
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:43,880
Speaker 1: of the boat. I don't have any say where off

1930
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 1: the cover. It's not good from what I saw, your

1931
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:49,360
Speaker 1: blurb gets like bumped when I saw you're actually I

1932
01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:51,240
Speaker 1: think your quote is on the back cover, like on

1933
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:55,080
Speaker 1: the outside. Yeah. Good yeah, because if they put on

1934
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:59,439
Speaker 1: the inside, then you're like something went wrong. Someone wasn't happy. Yeah,

1935
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:01,719
Speaker 1: So thank you very much. And it goes on sale,

1936
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:04,720
Speaker 1: goes on sale June twenty nine, the Hunter chef dot com.

1937
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:07,599
Speaker 1: There's a pre sale link, you know, Amazon, Oh, June

1938
01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 1: June twenty nine, the pre sale link goes up, Oh,

1939
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:13,439
Speaker 1: the pre okay, but the bookships the bookships. October six

1940
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 1: is the main release date. The Hunter Chef just season

1941
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 1: just to Rhanto season. You gotta send me a bound one, Okay,

1942
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:27,280
Speaker 1: I had the one unbound? You got a digital copy? No,

1943
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 1: no, no no, okay, no no no, I did. I didn't

1944
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:33,720
Speaker 1: like it. Sent me an unbound one. Really, Okay, this

1945
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 1: is hard for you to picture. I need to, but

1946
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not like creative enough. I'm not imaginative

1947
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:41,719
Speaker 1: enough to you got a bunch of loose pages. Yeah,

1948
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 1: I can't when people want to send digital like I

1949
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:47,799
Speaker 1: have to, like I have to. I don't like reading

1950
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 1: on Yeah, I can enjoy it, but I can't, like really,

1951
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 1: I gotta just for something like that to like give

1952
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:57,160
Speaker 1: a quote for the book. I was like, I just

1953
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 1: need to see the damn book or like kind of

1954
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:00,840
Speaker 1: like a version of the book. It can't be just

1955
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:04,680
Speaker 1: me scrolling through pdf files. Yeah, that's weird. I don't

1956
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:07,880
Speaker 1: feel like I'm there. Man, he kindle stuff that's weird,

1957
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,240
Speaker 1: and they else brody, No, I'm good films for Coming

1958
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 1: Hill and said nothing. Phil got it, got his hair cut.

1959
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: He did. I like him a lot. Better speak softly

1960
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 1: and carry a big Sticky's teddy, old teddy bringing it

1961
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:27,559
Speaker 1: back all right, Thanks, ma'am, thank you,