1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 2: What's up? 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 2: DJ? 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: Buck with you? 6 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 2: Buck? 7 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: It looks nice where you are right now? Where are 8 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: we right now? 9 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: DJ, I'm in the studio down in Jackson. I'm in 10 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: a facility. 11 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 3: They use the facility to podcast, and so you see 12 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 3: all the Jaguars background. I tried to make it where 13 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 3: I was a non biased person, So I try to 14 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 3: keep the logos out. 15 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: But that's where I match. 16 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: No, I tell you don't. You don't need to do that. 17 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: You can have the logos out there. We know, we 18 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: know you're calling it man this time of year? Are you? 19 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: Are you a play by play guy in the spring? 20 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: I'm just so not. I don't know where you are 21 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: on that, but I just I've learned over the years, 22 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: it's some so much hype on the good has been wrong, 23 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: and so much worry and concern about the bad has 24 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: been wrong that I tend to just say, like, all right, 25 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: are there any contracts coming our way? Is everybody healthy? 26 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: Like I try not to get too much involved in 27 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: what's going on on the field right now. 28 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: No, like trying to fall in love with the hype bunnies, 29 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 3: the people that you hear about during this time of year. 30 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 3: You hear a handful of names and people talk about 31 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 3: are sensational throughout the course of camp. But what I've 32 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: grown to realize this isn't the real ball that we 33 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: will talk about because without pads, without the contact element 34 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 3: of the game, it's all or not. This is like 35 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 3: seven on seven that you see in high school, people 36 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 3: running around and doing things. So I say it matters 37 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 3: in terms of the team building part of it. It 38 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: matters in terms of the installation the coaches and players learning. 39 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: It matters in terms of creating the culture that you 40 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 3: want to have. But in terms of the evaluation product 41 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: part of it, Man, you can't really evaluate your team 42 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: until you get in the training camp and start really 43 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: putting pads on. 44 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think over the years this is kind of 45 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: changed too, because they've really dialed back in terms of 46 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: what you can do, you know, one on ones, you know, 47 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: any type of physical activity. So I think, more than else, 48 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: is just kind of getting young guys, new guys acclimated. 49 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: You know, I just understand where our meeting rooms are, 50 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: our routine, here's our warm up routine, you know, just 51 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: kind of get them kind of understanding that maybe let's 52 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: focus a little bit more on learning, you know, in 53 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: terms of the scheme and those things, versus any type 54 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: of the physical stuff that you could actually evaluate. 55 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: I do have something that's interesting because I want you 56 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 3: to know because last year you were with the Charges 57 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: that they underwent a coaching change, and everyone who knows 58 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 3: Jim Harbor understands that he is always going to bring 59 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 3: a top of the line strength coach with him and 60 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: that's going to be a big part of the culture 61 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 3: changing process in Jacksonville. They're doing some things that when 62 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: it comes to the strength and conditioning program DJ that 63 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: almost remind me of a collegiate type feel. So they 64 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 3: have this thing where today they were competing in the 65 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 3: Iron Jaguar Games, where they've had these teams kind of 66 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: split up, you know, according to stuff, and they have 67 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: various competitions that they do. So it may be like 68 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: a like a bar hang competition where guys are hanging 69 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: on the pull up bar see who can do it 70 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 3: in their points. Teams get points. They have relay races 71 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: in those things. Because we've been I guess in the 72 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 3: Pro Game for so long. How much do you think 73 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: that culture building that takes place in this weight room 74 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: matters at the pro level where we know it really 75 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 3: matters at the collegiate level. 76 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's still there's still an edge to 77 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: be found there, you know, And you mentioned the Chargers 78 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: like they do Jim Harba's out there doing tire flip 79 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: flips last year. You know, they had like that kind 80 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: of overtime period that they would do it every practicing. 81 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of their way of bonding and putting an 82 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: extra work and going above and beyond. And I think 83 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: there is something too that I think the whole thing though, 84 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: is you better have buy in, and you're not going 85 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: to get buy in if you don't have credibility. So 86 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: I think it would be hard for someone to come 87 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: in even as in a like if you were even 88 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: an accomplished college coach, you better come in there and 89 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: earn the respect of the veterans before you start doing 90 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: some stuff that might be viewed as more collegiate as 91 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: opposed to what historically has been the norm at the 92 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: pro level. 93 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 94 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: Like it's funny because I like Richiano. He's the former 95 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: Buffalo Bill strength coach he's taken over as the head 96 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 3: of the program down in Jacksonville, and it's not necessarily 97 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 3: collegiate in terms of I would just say it's competitive. 98 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: I think that's the best way. 99 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: And you know, I was listening to a podcast Dan 100 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: Quinn on he was talking about competitiveness being baked into 101 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 3: everything that they do, and I was watching the team 102 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 3: and I just had to remember, like, no matter what 103 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 3: guys get paid, like, this is still a kid's game 104 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 3: and it still needs to have some of that element 105 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 3: in it. 106 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: It has to be fun, it has to be engaging. 107 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: You have to find a way to kind of tap 108 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: into that imagination and a natural competitiveness that every play 109 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,119 Speaker 3: in the league has. 110 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 2: It's just what's the secret sauce to unlocking that without 111 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: it filling hokey pokey or collegiate where guys are like, 112 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: what are we doing? Like this doesn't make any sense? 113 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's it's become challenging in an era where 114 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: so many guys have their own they have their own routine, 115 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: they have their own program, they have their own coaches 116 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: that they work with back in their hometown. Maybe it's 117 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: group of players that get together and do their thing 118 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: to get them to all buy in. That's my whole thing. 119 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: I almost think in terms of the benefits of the 120 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: physical you know, the competition and even just getting bigger, faster, stronger. 121 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: I think when you go to the if you were 122 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: to tour around and go to these practices, you'll see 123 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: which teams have complete buy in, like of like, hey, 124 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: you just tell me what we're doing. I'm doing it, 125 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: no questions asked. Yeah. 126 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 3: And I also think some of it may be geographical, 127 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: like so you and I are affiliated with teams that 128 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 3: are in like nice locations, right Jacksonville, the weather is 129 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: always nice. So they were telling me that it was 130 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 3: almost one hundred percent of attendance for the all season program. 131 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: I'm sure if I asked you the same about the Chargers. 132 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: I think where Sean Slater might have been the only 133 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: one that wasn't there, there's. 134 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: Pretty much understanding. 135 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: And now some of that is driven by like why 136 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: wouldn't you want to be in southern California where it's 137 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 3: always nice and sunning those things, and so you get 138 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: a better. 139 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: Buy in and if your guys are around. 140 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 3: To me, when it makes sense from the player's standpoint, 141 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 3: because if any injury happens. You're protected because you're on 142 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 3: the facility rounds, and so when you think about like workers, 143 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: confident all the other stuff, like you're there, whereas if 144 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: you're on your own, all the risk is on you 145 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: and NFI you know, non football related injuries and those things. 146 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 3: So it's just to me, I still believe that in 147 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 3: the off season, as much as we talk about the 148 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 3: work that takes place between the lines, a lot of 149 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: the chemistry and camaraderie exists because of the bonds that 150 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 3: you form through competing in the weight room, but then 151 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 3: spending all that time together away from the facility because 152 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 3: it's a natural part of Hey, what we're doing after 153 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 3: we leave here. Let's go eat, you know, let's go 154 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 3: hang out, let's go bowl, let's do some other stuff. 155 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: Were you a basketball guy off season? 156 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: Oh? I loved it. 157 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: Like we used to compete so much, man Like, it 158 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 3: was always a big part of what we did. I 159 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 3: want to play off season basketball. I know the coaches, well, 160 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: it changed when I was in Green Bay. We had 161 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: a basketball court in the. 162 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: State, We had a basketball court in Baltimore, like, so 163 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: that was. 164 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: Always a big part of the deal. 165 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: We're going to play half court, a four court that 166 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 3: was a part of the cross training and whatever. 167 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm a big part of it. 168 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 3: Obviously, you want guys to be careful to not put 169 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 3: themselves doing unnecessary riskto but yeah, there's some benefit to playing. 170 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: I just think anytime you have the guys together and 171 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: they can compete and build more chemistry, I think it 172 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: helps when we get into the season. 173 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: I'll tell you about the time I got called in 174 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: the principal's office in Baltimore on that by the way, 175 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: oh boy, what we had. I don't remember if it 176 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: was a pre draft visit or it was a free 177 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: agent visit, but we had a player visit that was 178 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: not on our team. Okay, and this is year one 179 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: for me in the NFL. This is year one as 180 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: an office guy, as a personnel assistant. Well, we would 181 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: always go down and lunch. And this is at the 182 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: old Baltimore So this was like the Baltimore Colts facility 183 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: before they moved into the Castle that if you've seen 184 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: the Ravens, Yeah, really nice. This was the old dumpy 185 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: facility that the Baltimore Cult used to be in and 186 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: so it was a turf weight room buck but there 187 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: was a. There was a hoop in there, and we 188 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: used to go in there and hoop in there on 189 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: the turf like that old school like you know carpet 190 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: that was, you know, not not not like the grassy 191 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: looking field turf stuff that you see now. Well, we 192 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: used pay hooping there all the time. So we had 193 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: a guy visit and we were kind of giving him 194 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: the tour. I think it might have been washed me 195 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: and Jeremi Washburn might have been like giving him tour. 196 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: There's some other guys in there. And then he wanted 197 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: he wanted to hoop, so let's go, let's get go. 198 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's go. So we were hooping with this 199 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: guy who's not under contract with us, who if for 200 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: some reason, and I'm so young and dumb, I don't not, 201 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: I don't thinking about this. This guy gets hurt. We 202 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: are in big trouble, big big trouble, and so somebody 203 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: I don't even I think it got I think somebody 204 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: saw us and then ran upstairs. And then it was 205 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: immediately like, hey, we don't do that. You cannot do 206 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: that ever, ever, ever, ever do that again. The guy 207 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: I want, Hey that when you're twenty, When you're twenty 208 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: five years old and can still hoop a little bit, 209 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: and somebody says they want to hoop like you. 210 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: Go get the buckets. 211 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: You're so look, live and learn, Buck, That was a 212 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 1: That was the last time I ever played basketball with 213 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: someone who wasn't under contract with the team. 214 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: That is. 215 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 3: Look, I understand, and I understand the competitor in you, 216 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: and I understand the competitor and the player that was 217 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 3: in the buildings. 218 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: It's the risk, though. It's the risk. 219 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: Well, look back on it as someone who has like 220 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: half of a brain now and who has spent you know, 221 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: a lot of time around this game and has common sense. 222 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: Just like, what an idiot? What the heck was I thinking? 223 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: Not the not the smartest move I've ever made. That's 224 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: for sure, a lot of dumb moves over the years, Buck, 225 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: But that might be top ten. 226 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: That's okay that I mean, look, that's that's all right. 227 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: It kind of happens. Get that for it out. 228 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: It is what it is. I want to get in 229 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: just a minute here. I wanted to get to you 230 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: on a stat and some players that jumped off the 231 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: screen when I was going through some of the more 232 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: advanced numbers from last year's NFL season and have a 233 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: conversation about that before I do. 234 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: Though. 235 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: One of the things I love about our conversations is 236 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: we kind of get into scouting stuff and you know, 237 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, there's many programs that can do that 238 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: and talk about the little little nuances and scouting and 239 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: how things change. And we've talked and I think we've 240 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, been pretty close to the forefront and advocating 241 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: for virtual reality, I think before it became as influential 242 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: as it was in different ways things. Yeah, we were 243 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: talking about that years ago, and then of course Jack 244 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: and Rouccie and that company took it and Ran and 245 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels being kind of the poster child for how 246 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: to properly utilize that tool. But one of the things 247 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: we were talking about off air, and I want to 248 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: just get onto it here, is that for those who 249 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: don't know how scouting works, when you're an area scout, 250 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: you're on the college side of scouting. You go out 251 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: on the road and you are you're constantly driving, especially 252 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: if you're in the West where we were for a while, 253 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: like you are long drives. You're getting to a school, 254 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: you get there early in the morning, you know, seven 255 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, and then through the course of 256 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: the day, you're you're getting a chance to meet with 257 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of different people. Coaches, you know, you look 258 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: at strength staff, the training staff, you're talking to academic people, 259 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: all these different meetings you have throughout the day. You 260 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: can try and get some tape in as well, which 261 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: is a lot easier now because everybody has it all 262 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: on their iPads or devices, mobile devices, so that they 263 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: can do that in their hotel. When we didn't really 264 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: have that luxury back to the day. We had the 265 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: most of the tape we got watched inside the facility. 266 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: But then you get out to practice. You body type guys, 267 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: you'll watch players move around before you get kicked out 268 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: of practice. And then you get in your car and 269 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: you might have a four or five hour drive, get 270 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: a bite to eat, get a workout in. You're in 271 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: your hotel buckets ten o'clock at night, and now you've 272 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: got to write all the background information and on these 273 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: players in your computer. And then we used to have 274 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,599 Speaker 1: to write summaries where you'd have to summarize in a 275 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: pretty chunky, wordy document of the player and write them up. 276 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: And we were talking about this, and you, you know, 277 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: were filling me in on some of the folks you 278 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: talk to around the league that they're kind of getting 279 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: away from having to actually write the report. And I 280 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: want to get into all the different areas of how 281 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: this can affect scouting. But I think when I heard it, Buck, 282 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: my ears perked up, and it's one of those things 283 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: we're like, gosh, why didn't somebody think about this a 284 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: long time ago? 285 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, DJ, one of the frustrations that we used to 286 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 3: have when it came to scouting. I think you and 287 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: I've always talked about this is just the wordiness of 288 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: the reports that we used to have to compose, and 289 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 3: maybe some of the redundancy of the information that we 290 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 3: were inputting. And even though we both believe in the 291 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 3: thoroughness of the reporting, like the background information and the 292 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 3: medical stuff that we would get on the school call 293 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 3: and then the evaluation of the player, you can get 294 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: bogged down in the details when it comes to just 295 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 3: inputting and doing the word processing in those things. And 296 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 3: when you are a road scout and you're having to 297 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: drive from one school to another, and the drive may 298 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: be a couple hours, and then you get to the hotel, 299 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: and it may take you thirty to forty five minutes 300 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 3: of report. Time on tasks can prevent you from being 301 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,599 Speaker 3: efficient and effective and the process. 302 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 2: And one of the things that I'm learning. 303 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: And talking to people around the league is that some 304 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 3: people are changing their I guess input systems to where 305 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 3: it's a little more drag and drop, a little more 306 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 3: slaughter oriented, where you're not having to spend as much 307 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 3: time inputting the verbiage and more of the time is on, Hey, 308 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 3: let's put the numbers in the digits that can be calculated, 309 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 3: give us averages and those things from an analytical standpoint, 310 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: and then a what's your one or two line aer 311 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 3: like what's your summary on the player? And to me 312 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 3: when I came across it, I was like, man, this 313 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: is ingenious because just time on task and just the 314 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 3: efficiency that it allows you to operate with as a scout. Look, man, 315 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 3: I just think it's one of the things that we 316 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 3: can do now. Thats Look, it is drastically different than 317 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: the way things have always been done in the past, 318 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 3: but I do believe it's a way to take some 319 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 3: of those past attributes and things that we want to 320 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: have in every report. 321 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: But do it in a more efficient manner. 322 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and to give people another idea there. So, say 323 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: you go into a school, you know, and you're a 324 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: power for school you're going to have nowadays, especially because 325 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: you're having to keep an eye on the underclass and 326 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: their draft eligible you might have fifteen to twenty reports 327 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: that you're writing now. Of those fifteen to twenty, let's 328 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: say on average of the school, they might be six, 329 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: six to eight and would be pretty pretty standard. And 330 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: obviously you get into Ohio State in Alabama, you might have, 331 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, these fifteen draftable type players you know that 332 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: are at least considered draftable, which is a lot of work. 333 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: But then you also what would bog you down as 334 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: you be in these schools and I might have I 335 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: might go into let's say, like I go into Utah, 336 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: just a random school, and they might have I might 337 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: have to write up fifteen reports, but maybe only three 338 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: of them are real draftable guys. Well, it still takes 339 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: you a heck of a long time to write up 340 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: twelve players that you have as free agents. And we 341 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: used to always joke about it, and I'm sure we 342 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: joked about it talking on the road all those years, 343 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: Like man, I need the generic. Give me the generic slow, 344 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: the big slow receiver report. Like I wish I just 345 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: had a generic where I could just pick it, Like, Hey, 346 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: this guy, he's a productive Yeah, he's a productive college player. 347 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: He's got some size and ball skills. He just has 348 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: no quickness, he has no burst, he has no play speed. 349 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: He's not going to get draft. He's not gonna run 350 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: fast enough to get himself drafted. Well, I'm still having 351 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: to go through check out, check the boxes, right descriptions 352 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: of his body type, right descriptions of all of his 353 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: position specific attributes, and then I'm having to write a 354 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: summary on him. Now, it might be more brief. You 355 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: could get away with being more brief on a free agent, 356 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: but still you're writing summaries. Whereas now it's like almost 357 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: you're creating kind of these generic profiles and you can 358 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: kind of say, Okay, this guy fits this body type profile, 359 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: this athleticism profile. Is a free agent and like you 360 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: were saying, to slide, slide, slide, and then boom, I'm 361 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: off to the next one. You talk about saving some time, Now, 362 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: Holy cow, I. 363 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: Mean, why wouldn't you just love it? Right? 364 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 3: Because I think it allows you to do what the 365 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: important part of the job is not only getting the information, 366 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: but the evaluation. I think if you have to spend 367 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: less time worrying about just I would say some of 368 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 3: the busy work part of it and more of the 369 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 3: time on. 370 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: The evaluation part. 371 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: I think we can make better decisions and better overall 372 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: evaluations on players by doing that. And like I'm a 373 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: big fan of it, I'm a big fan in the 374 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 3: efficient process. It's one of the things that we talked 375 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: about that people discovered over COVID in terms of, hey, 376 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 3: do we have to do all of this troutpo? Can 377 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 3: we do some of these things at home? And I 378 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: know we're a time where people are really trying to 379 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: mandate the return to office, but I do believe some 380 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: of the remote stuff that we learned during our time 381 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: during the pandemic has helped scouts and people evaluate and 382 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: be more efficient with their time and all those other 383 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: things and so much of the job. I would say 384 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 3: the hard part of the job has little to do 385 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: with the football part of it, but more to do 386 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: with man I got to get from dispot to death 387 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: spot by tomorrow and all of that. If you can 388 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: help the area, guys out by doing some things that 389 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 3: make it I would say, like scout friendly, I believe 390 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: you can eventually get to the point where you make 391 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 3: the process easier, where you can make better decisions because 392 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 3: you're getting better evaluation from guys that aren't tired but 393 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: are really locked in on the task at hand. 394 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: Do you remember being in the room and this happened 395 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: all the time. People would get called on the carpet. 396 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: He's like, hey, man, your grade and your description they 397 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 1: don't miss match. It doesn't match like you gave him 398 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: a high grade, but when I read the summary that 399 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: you wrote, it doesn't match up. I think they're eliminating 400 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: this by doing this because they're connecting them saying like, okay, 401 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: here's the description you drag and drop. Well, that description 402 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: comes with this grade, because that's what history has shown us, 403 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 1: that players that are like this are this number value 404 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: and so no mismatch. I think I actually think it's 405 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: really really smart man. 406 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, because because DJ like, okay, So let's think about it. 407 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 3: The reality behind the situation. You talked about going to 408 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: a big school, and let's say back in the day, 409 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: USC was always one of the bigger schools in terms 410 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 3: of number of prosps. Well, the general rule is add 411 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: a day per seven scouts per seven prospects is like 412 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 3: a day. So if there's seven on offense and seven 413 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 3: on defense, that's a two day visit at a minimum. Well, 414 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 3: when you have that kind of workload when it comes 415 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 3: to writing reports, obviously you can't write all of those 416 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 3: reports at night. And what happens there's a carryover. So 417 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 3: the guy that I saw on Tuesday, I'm in that 418 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: right about to Wednesday. But guess what happened on Wednesday. 419 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 3: I saw seven more guys on Wednesday. That now clouds 420 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 3: my mind, and so my grade might be high on him. 421 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 3: But because it's been a day before I got to 422 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 3: the process of writing the report, the report doesn't always 423 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 3: match up. And that's some of the stuff that happens, 424 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 3: and that's how you get I won't say some of 425 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 3: the misses, but some of the non matching verbiage to 426 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 3: go with the grade, because the grade says you really 427 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 3: love the player, but your verbage doesn't. 428 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 2: And some of that is because you can't. 429 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 3: Really remember all the the details that you had or 430 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: that you fell in love with the player when you 431 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 3: watched the player in real time. 432 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was in. When I was in Baltimore 433 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: and in Cleveland, our thing was, Hey, they wanted you 434 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: to keep up with your reports as best you could. 435 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: Just make sure you're always sending something in, like you 436 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,239 Speaker 1: need to send in a batch every Friday or what 437 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: have you. 438 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, but every Friday was the day. 439 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily have to have every player I watched 440 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: during that week done by that Friday, but it was like, hey, 441 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: you just kind of chipping away. And that's kind of 442 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: like I've told people the origin story of the name 443 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: Move the Sticks, which was they always fill Savage always 444 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: talk about, hey, every day advanced the ball just a 445 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: little bit more every day, as long as you're turning 446 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: something in and you keep moving it forward. And then 447 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: like say o, our ultimate date was December tenth, tenth 448 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: or fifth or whatever it would be. Now, you'd be 449 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,239 Speaker 1: off the road at that point in time, and so 450 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: that last ten days, man, I'd be cranking out tons 451 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: of work and you might be catching up on somebody 452 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: you saw a month ago, like you know, that's a 453 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: long time. Then when I was in Philadelphia, we had 454 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: to have it every Friday by midnight from that week, 455 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: Like we were responsible for getting everything anything in yeah week. 456 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: But even with that, you know that I might have 457 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: I might be writing a player up at eleven o'clock 458 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: Friday night that I watched on Monday. And I've seen 459 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: eighty players since I saw that guy. 460 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 2: You remember it? 461 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: All that makes it challenging. So I think it's really smart. 462 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 1: And I think it also from a standpoint of being 463 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: able to run reports, be able to say like, hey, 464 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: are we off on this guy because all of us 465 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: in our reports had this, you know, this number, like 466 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: an eight on competitiveness out of ten or whatever skill 467 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: you want to use, or at nine or whatever. And 468 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: then now we can pull all those numbers and be like, okay, man, 469 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: we need to we need to put this guy up 470 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: a little bit higher. We all agree he has the 471 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: course stuff that we want. 472 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think the big challenge did you talk about, 473 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 3: like submitting those reports and getting reports in the thing 474 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 3: is that you were trying and do you stay like, hey, 475 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 3: if you can't get the what you used to call 476 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 3: them critical factors in yeah, like at least while it's 477 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 3: fresh in your mind right the summery. 478 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, because if. 479 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 3: I write the summary, I can go back and fill 480 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 3: in the critical factors based on my Yeah, but if 481 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 3: I don't do anything, I don't put them in. Man. 482 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: That is the recall is just really. 483 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 3: Hard unless you are an exceptional note taker and your 484 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 3: notes are so clear that you can open up the 485 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 3: notebook and see be like, oh, yeah, I remember I 486 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 3: like this play. Because if not, you have to rewatch 487 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: the player again to get another feel for what really 488 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 3: grows you to that thing. It just makes it a 489 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: very very difficult thing. And so from an efficiency process, man, 490 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 3: we just want to be efficient so we can be 491 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 3: really really good with everything. 492 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's I think it's kind of a game 493 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: changer there. So I want to have that little scouting discussion. 494 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break, Buck, come back. I've got 495 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: a stat and some names I wanted to throw at 496 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: you and get your thoughts on it right after this, 497 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: all right, So I was thinking of this, Buck, I 498 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: was thinking, what if we're in a league, at quarterback league, 499 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: and we're trying to make the offense and the whole 500 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: setup as quarterback friendly as possible to get the best 501 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: performance out of our players. I started thinking like, okay, well, 502 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: obviously we've talked about the three piece forever you got 503 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 1: the play call or you got the protection, you got 504 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: the play makers. And I started thinking, okay, well, still 505 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: a statistical league, so you know we want guys hopefully 506 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: you're going to throw for four thousand yards and touchdowns, this, 507 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: that and the other. So I thought, okay, well, who 508 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: is going to be your best friend then? And what 509 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: stat should I What did I want to look up 510 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: and look at? And I started thinking, man as someone 511 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: who didn't have a strong arm with that position, give 512 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: me run after catch. I want to see, like, who 513 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: are those best guys? Who are the guys that do 514 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: that better than anybody else? And I separated it with 515 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: wide outs and tight ends. So these are guys who 516 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: I think you could make a case are the most 517 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: quarterback friendly players in the league because of what they 518 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: did with the ball in their hands after you got 519 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: the ball in their hands. So these are the five 520 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: leaders last year, and then I want to get your 521 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: thoughts on them, but I'll just give you the names 522 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: here because a couple of them might surprise you. Last year, 523 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase led the league yards after catch eight hundred 524 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: and three yards. Amongst the price Dj Moore, who remember 525 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: Dj Moore when he was coming out of college. That 526 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: was his emo, like he has been the same guy 527 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: from college to Carolina to Chicago. He was second with 528 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: six hundred and thirty yards. How about this one? The 529 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: third in the league in yards after the catch last year? 530 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: Khalil Shakir for the Buffalo Bools Buffalo about six hundred 531 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: and twenty two yards after him, a guy that you 532 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: could probably peek over your shoulder and find Brian Thomas 533 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: Junior as a rookie six hundred yards after the catch 534 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: last year, and then Ceedee Lamb would round out the 535 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: top five with five hundred and sixty six yards. But 536 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: when you see those names so Chase Moore, Shakir, BTJ Lamb, 537 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: like what stands out to you? Do they have any 538 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: Is there any commonality? Because there's a lot of different 539 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: body types and speeds and all those things. But when 540 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: you look at those guys, what is there anything connects them? 541 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 3: DJ to OL connected that I used to use would 542 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 3: be pume returnability, returnability in those things, but those guys 543 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 3: don't necessarily qualify under that. I think the one thing 544 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 3: that we can talk about all of them and watching 545 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 3: their tape, we've always talked about contact, balance and ball 546 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: in hand strength, like in terms of their ability to 547 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 3: break tackles, and strength that they displayed when they're in 548 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 3: the open field, like they run through arm tackles and 549 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 3: they're very, very difficult to get down. The thing about 550 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 3: Jamar Chase, when you look at him, if you watch 551 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 3: him play, and then if you've seen any of the 552 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 3: stuff that he does in the off season, strong and 553 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 3: explosive is a big part of his DNA. When I 554 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 3: think about Cedee Lamb, the running skills that he used 555 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: to display at Oklahoma doesn't surprise me that he's in there. 556 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 3: You talked about DJ Moore and how DJ Moore was 557 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 3: at Maryland Brian Thomas Junior, to me is a bit 558 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 3: of a surprise because it took them a while to 559 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 3: kind of figure it out, but then they started making 560 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 3: a concerted effort to give him the ball. DJ so 561 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 3: much of playing wide receiver. Will talk about route running 562 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 3: and all that other stuff, But to me, the best 563 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 3: way to enhance a quarterback is if you can at 564 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 3: least have one catch and run specialists in the core, 565 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 3: someone that you can get the ball to and they 566 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 3: can turn a short pass into a big game. 567 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 2: It helps the quarterback. 568 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 3: Because those short passes are high completion percentage passes, but 569 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 3: they have a big yield on that. That's exactly what 570 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 3: you want for a quarterback as he's beginning to hit 571 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 3: these layups and those layups are turning into big play opportunities. 572 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was looking at it thinking, you've got different 573 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: heights in here, You've got some different weights, you know, 574 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: somewhat different body types. You've got guys who've run much 575 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: faster than other guys on here. But if I was 576 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: going to say, what's the what's the thread? All five 577 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: of these guys have exceptional quickness and exceptional play strength 578 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: like that. To me, when we think of yards after catch, 579 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: sometimes you might just think, oh, it's the fastest guys, 580 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: it's Tyreek Hill, you know, the fastest guys in the league. 581 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: To me, it's more about the quickness and the play 582 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: strength and the combination of the two. And it's interesting 583 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: that they come in different packages. 584 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so so, And here's the thing, because I feel 585 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 3: like we've talked about the basketball theme basketball team theme 586 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: for a while, like having different types, different skill sets 587 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 3: or whatever. But DJ, if you'r a guy can't extend 588 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: the player, he only gets what is drawn up. 589 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 2: It's hard to live in that offense. 590 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 3: You put so much pressure on the offensive coordinator and 591 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 3: the quarterback to like everything has to be perfect. You 592 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 3: give me nothing outside of what's drawn up. It's hard 593 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 3: to live in a game like that. It's just really 594 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 3: really hard to do that. So I am glad that 595 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 3: you dug into that because I think it's eye opening 596 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 3: to see the guys that are producing the big plays 597 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 3: with the ball in their hands, and it's not derived 598 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 3: just on the air yards. 599 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 2: It's really the yards have to catch. 600 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know different quarterbacks there too. When you 601 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: look at the quarterbacks associated with those wide receivers. To me, 602 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: it gives you hope if you're Chicago, because they've done 603 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: a nice job of even getting him more guys. I 604 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: think Lovelin's going to be a good run after catch players, 605 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: so you add him in there. Roma Dunese was good 606 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: after the catch in college, so I think they've got 607 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: a nice mixture of guys are gonna be able to 608 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: do some things with the ball in their hands. With 609 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson at the helm call and play, so that'll 610 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: be fun. The tight ends run after catch or yards 611 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: after catch. Rookie Bowers best in the league last year 612 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: eighteen yards. That would have put him. That would have 613 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: put him as the fourth receiver, like forget tight ends, 614 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: it would put him even as the fourth receiver. Trey 615 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: McBride was next to five point fifty nine, George Kittle 616 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: still doing it, five hundred and thirty six yards, John 617 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: Smith five hundred and twenty one yards last year, and 618 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: then Kelsey there was a big drop off from four 619 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: to five. He had three hundred and eighty three yards. 620 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: But you're looking at Bowers. Darn near doubled up Kelsey 621 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: in yards after the catch last year. 622 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 3: We look, man, anyone that watched him at Georgia and 623 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 3: talked to the people around Georgia, they talked about him 624 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 3: being the best athlete, the best player, the best playmaker. 625 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: That they had. 626 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 3: And remember at george they gave him the ball in 627 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 3: a variety of ways. Jes sweeps, screens, everything he touched it. 628 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 2: The Raiders. 629 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,719 Speaker 3: Just his success there was just a continuation of what 630 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 3: he's always done. And as a young, dynamic playmaker who 631 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 3: didn't have much around him, Man, it's only going to 632 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 3: get better for him in the league. 633 00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: We've sung. 634 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 3: Look, we watched Travis Kelce dominate the league for years 635 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 3: as a catch and run playmaker for the kan City Chiefs. 636 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: Well, now you talk. 637 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 3: About a younger, more dynamic version of that in Las Vegas. 638 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 3: I expect Bowers to be at the top of the 639 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 3: list for years and years to come because he is 640 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 3: terrific with the ball in his hands. 641 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna ask you, then, Bowers as a rookie 642 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: led the league last year. We've got this rookie tight 643 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: end class. Do we see any of those guys a 644 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: year from now in the top five in terms of 645 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: what they do with the balder? Hans Tyler Warren is 646 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: with the Colts. Loveland we've mentioned is with the Bears. 647 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: You've got Mason Taylor's with the Jets. So there's some, 648 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: you know, some interesting players out there. Harold fan is 649 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: a good player. I'm excited to see what he does 650 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: and how he fits in alongside in Djoku with Cleveland. 651 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: That might be a reps opportunity thing there might not 652 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: help him, but some good tight ends. We see any 653 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: of those guys on this list next year? 654 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 3: I think Mason Taylor has a great opportunity. I think 655 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,239 Speaker 3: as you're building out this offense for Justin fields. We 656 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 3: talked remembered like Matt Draft and we always pair a 657 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 3: tied end with Justin Fiers because we talked about right 658 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 3: down the middle, it's the easiest throwing, the easiest completion 659 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: for the quarterback. Mason Taylor's now the beneficiary there, and 660 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 3: with Gary Wilson on the outside, you know he's gonna 661 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 3: come in double coverage. Look, there's gonna be plenty of 662 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 3: opportunities for Mason Taylor to make plays. I would bank 663 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 3: on him being in that conversation as one of the. 664 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: Athlete There you go, Well, this was a fun one man. 665 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: You got a chance to talk about some of the 666 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: scouting stuff as well as some quarterback friendly players in 667 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: this league. Gino Smith's gonna love throwing the ball to 668 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: Brock Bauers. Looking about Joe Burrow, how excited he is 669 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: to have that receiving core back. Look like that might 670 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: not be the case, but they figured it out. They 671 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: got it done. So Jamar Chase, it's gonna be hard 672 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: to give him a ton of attention when you got 673 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: to worry about the other guys they have in that offense. 674 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: So it'll be fun to watch. We'll keep an eye 675 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: on some other stats here as we go through the 676 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: offseason and see if we can't pull some other takeaways out 677 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: for you. But that's gonna do it. Buck enjoy your 678 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: time and Jville enjoy the rest of getting a chance 679 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: to watch some of this football that I just basically 680 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: said is not worth anything. So you enjoy that, make 681 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: the most of it, and I enjoy all your feedback. 682 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: We'll see you guys next time. Right here, I'll move 683 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: the sticks