Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 1: Dundun, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger.
Speaker 2: We're here to talk SVU, crime, celeb guests, chit chat, fun,
Speaker 2: We have fun.
Speaker 1: We sure do, and very hardly breaking news. But you
Speaker 1: guys know, we're always in a little bit of a
Speaker 1: time machine. Iced Tea said, that's messed up on the
Speaker 1: last episode of SVU, and it's been a while.
Speaker 2: We I'm caught up and I did not notice that.
Speaker 2: I'm that's pretty humiliating for me. It's just the one
Speaker 2: that just aired like last Thursday. I guess he said
Speaker 2: that's messed up. He's in a scene. People have sent
Speaker 2: some screenshots. I think he's in a scene with the
Speaker 2: new girl.
Speaker 1: And he says it, So I maybe is that a
Speaker 1: subliminal message to us?
Speaker 2: Is it? Because I was checking Peacock and I was
Speaker 2: actually flipping out because I didn't have anywe el Smith
Speaker 2: last week too and I'm like, I just I missed
Speaker 2: the twenty two episode cycle, Like, yeah, I'm just sick
Speaker 2: of And I talked to someone else about this and
Speaker 2: they said Bob's Burgers will air an episode and then
Speaker 2: a month later air another one, like they don't give
Speaker 2: a fuck anymore. And I understand they deserve a life,
Speaker 2: like they don't have to be grinding out twenty. I
Speaker 2: guess this is sixteen episodes this season. I guess it's
Speaker 2: a lot, but that's a lot. We're only in March.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, they'll do twenty probably this season at least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But so I have anything to complain about. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think maybe you're also thinking of the season after the
Speaker 1: strike was only like thirteen.
Speaker 3: But I don't think many shows do twenty two anymore.
Speaker 2: But even they're like on an SNL schedule, they'll do
Speaker 2: three week off due to week off, like they're just
Speaker 2: kind of which, whatever the industry's.
Speaker 3: Done, what you need to do, I don't care.
Speaker 2: But last week we did mention the Luigi original recipe.
Speaker 2: And to make matters worse to the motions that his
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania lawyer is putting in is that they obtained his DNA,
Speaker 2: like unlawfully, but because they gave him snacks and drinks
Speaker 2: SVU style, you thirsty you want me to get they
Speaker 2: make it seem like it's legal. So I wonder how
Speaker 2: the motion is gonna go. But SPU does lots of
Speaker 2: things that are illegal. You know, they'll yea homes, they'll
Speaker 2: shove a guy, but the motion is to throw it away.
Speaker 2: So I wonder if it's because he didn't know what
Speaker 2: he was being arrested for or why he would have
Speaker 2: eaten and drank. But I think it's because he's innocent. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think he he they didn't tell him what
Speaker 2: he was arrested in charged with.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well, like it's so crazy. It's like, you
Speaker 1: guys have this high, high profile case. If you think
Speaker 1: this is the guy and you want to get a
Speaker 1: commit you have to do everything so by the fucking book.
Speaker 3: Well, because they didn't not.
Speaker 2: So I was reading a New York magazine article this
Speaker 2: weekend and it was about Tish, the police commissioner. You
Speaker 2: know about this woman, she's no, it's like Tish from
Speaker 2: n YU.
Speaker 3: She comes from all I know, the NYU program, So
Speaker 3: it's she's part of that. Wow.
Speaker 2: So her families were ten billion dollars and she worked
Speaker 2: in sanitatious So this whole article was just about how
Speaker 2: like Eric Adams and her might disagree on certain things
Speaker 2: and that he's like a criminal. I'm like, how do
Speaker 2: they actually work together? But what's interesting that I caught
Speaker 2: with this article was she was getting stressed because all
Speaker 2: the money and all the stuff that she spent on
Speaker 2: the city wasn't working to apprehend him. And I watched
Speaker 2: another guy online and be like, so you guys lost
Speaker 2: him at like a train or bus terminal by George
Speaker 2: Washington Bridge, the most policed place. There's a police station
Speaker 2: inside of it, Like there's no footage of him, Like,
Speaker 2: how would you guys lose him there? She has surveillance
Speaker 2: all over the city, and she realized he was becoming
Speaker 2: a folk hero.
Speaker 3: It wasn't looking good.
Speaker 2: She's a billionaire with reach, and a part of me
Speaker 2: is just like, I wonder if she didn't give a
Speaker 2: fuck that she just knew she had to catch somebody, right,
Speaker 2: Because the way this article I wish I had in
Speaker 2: front of me was like frame I highlighted, I highlighted,
Speaker 2: And it is embarrassing to even be talking about a
Speaker 2: police commissioner. I feel like, I'm on, I'm a batman.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what am I talking about?
Speaker 1: Like I don't even think I knew the police commimenter.
Speaker 1: Oh hit, Yes it was Kelly when I lived there. Wow,
Speaker 1: so she But it's just crazy.
Speaker 2: It's like what I always say, if I was a billionaire,
Speaker 2: I would never work, and especially not be head of sanitation.
Speaker 2: Like that was her dream job. She like cleaned up
Speaker 2: the city. She's the one who got rid of all
Speaker 2: the rats. That was her big thing. Wow, Okay, go off,
Speaker 2: go off. But she's like a dumb bitch, and so's
Speaker 2: Eric Adams, and like all these deaths that they've got.
Speaker 2: I mean, so they pulled DNA from what they thought
Speaker 2: was the suspected water about there was nothing. The surveillance
Speaker 2: camera network to should helped build wasn't much use. None
Speaker 2: of the facial recognition was working. She found herself at
Speaker 2: the possibility of a catastrophic setback for her department. The
Speaker 2: killer was already emerging as a folk hero. Who knows
Speaker 2: how long she would have to get Like she had
Speaker 2: to go do her job, and a part of me
Speaker 2: is just like, oh, and then she goes, oh, fuck,
Speaker 2: he's better looking than we thought. This is a huge problem.
Speaker 2: She goes, and I can't believe we are with him.
Speaker 2: I'm so disgusted. We need to bring him back to
Speaker 2: New York City and it's like, that's not how police
Speaker 2: work works.
Speaker 1: The facial recognition didn't work because the eyebrows are different. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't believe. I don't think it's the safe guy.
Speaker 2: And all this technology is going to be used to
Speaker 2: catch immigrants, which she says she's against, but they're gonna
Speaker 2: It's like, it's really fucked up because Eric Adams basically
Speaker 2: promised to help Ice for his charges to be dropped.
Speaker 3: Fuck.
Speaker 2: But I'm rambling at this point. Wait, but let me
Speaker 2: just say two things before.
Speaker 1: We got two interesting messages that I think I forwarded
Speaker 1: both of them too, but maybe I didn't. One of
Speaker 1: them was it's actually not bad that they keep delaying
Speaker 1: because like it's in his best interest for the defense
Speaker 1: to have as much time as possible.
Speaker 3: So that's what somebody said, so it's like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing somebody said was if somebody
Speaker 1: if if it's a terrorism case, insurance will not pay out.
Speaker 1: So if he is convicted of or whatever of it
Speaker 1: being terrorism, his family will not get his life The
Speaker 1: victim's family will not get his life insurance policy because it.
Speaker 3: Doesn't cover terrorism. Isn't that wild? It is?
Speaker 2: But I don't want him to be charged with terrorism
Speaker 2: because it's I know not.
Speaker 3: It's just now, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's if the terrorism charges have to do a tiss too.
Speaker 2: I just like I don't trust a billionaire in the
Speaker 2: city becoming police commissioner and make snow sense. I mean,
Speaker 2: do we talk about the group chat?
Speaker 3: I mean I can't. I don't know, I can't get
Speaker 3: into the grid.
Speaker 1: It's it's we are living in a television show, like
Speaker 1: I can't even every day something more cartoonish happens.
Speaker 3: I can't even believe it.
Speaker 2: But that everyone's just so okay, like we're just it's
Speaker 2: just the going along of these insane things like but
Speaker 2: aren't all you right wing military people like into your safety?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a cult. This, Yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: full cult.
Speaker 2: I'm I actually found out someone that I really like
Speaker 2: went to the inauguration and I looked him and said,
Speaker 2: I can't believe he fucking did that. And at least
Speaker 2: for a few weeks don't even fucking look at me.
Speaker 3: I go, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Talking to you, and he stayed away from me yesterday,
Speaker 2: like I don't. It is shocked. I actually kind of
Speaker 2: had fun on stage. People didn't laugh at my joke
Speaker 2: about twenty twenty five being crazy, and I go, oh,
Speaker 2: do you think you guys think it's great? You guys
Speaker 2: want to all come on stage in Heyle Hitler one
Speaker 2: at a time, and then I did a whole speech
Speaker 2: at the end.
Speaker 3: It was really fun. Oh my god, I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, would you guys save
Speaker 2: me if I got zip tied?
Speaker 3: And they wouldn't.
Speaker 2: And then I said, people watch the Jews go to
Speaker 2: the gas chambers and they gasped, and I'm like, you
Speaker 2: are them. I'm like, if you would watch me get
Speaker 2: zip tied because I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It was like a wild I just.
Speaker 2: It's always a shock when I perform for my audience
Speaker 2: on the road and then I come back to the city.
Speaker 2: It's always just like a little bit of a shock
Speaker 2: that first set because it's not people that like are
Speaker 2: granting me full like we're down.
Speaker 1: They are more down on the road than in New York. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's people that want to see me. It's my eyes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's our girls. It's like people shut her down here.
Speaker 1: It's like who knows where people are from? Yeah, they
Speaker 1: just popped in to see who was who, who was around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but sometimes people go nuts. But I knew they weren't
Speaker 1: going to. But I still did my Luigi Midsia, but
Speaker 1: I knew they weren't going to like it. You just
Speaker 1: there's certain jokes that are about the world and the crowd.
Speaker 1: You know what the crowd is, and I go, oh,
Speaker 1: you're a bunch of fascists, got it all right? My
Speaker 1: pitch is that your next hour is just a full
Speaker 1: Luigi like it's a genre bending stand up special, true
Speaker 1: crime documentary combo together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean absolutely not, but there's definitely a good
Speaker 2: there's a good six minute you tack Luigi, but then
Speaker 2: you also branch out and you you go off of
Speaker 2: it to talk about culture and what's happening today.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Bravo can work its way. In Bravo is
Speaker 1: a true crime show. Everything has in an SVU with housewives,
Speaker 1: yet is like so annoying. I know, it is crazy.
Speaker 1: Maybe they like made a deal with Luanne when she
Speaker 1: was in the episode Bully that they would never tread
Speaker 1: on that ground.
Speaker 3: Well, it's also they're all part of the same fucking network.
Speaker 3: You're right, they are. Oh, Barcela is leaving.
Speaker 1: I saw the news. I think it's okay. I think
Speaker 1: Arcel gave us a good five years of her life,
Speaker 1: and I think it's okay.
Speaker 2: I just feel like it sucks if she left feeling.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna see her tonight, so yeah, we'll
Speaker 2: see I don't I'm gonna I'm gonna talk.
Speaker 3: To her about it. The reunion.
Speaker 2: Trailer looks like she walks off and does not come back.
Speaker 2: And in terms of like Bo's and Eric on watch
Speaker 2: what happens, that's what it seems like.
Speaker 3: That she left, like something went down.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know, I think, because also I think
Speaker 2: what happened was her one real, real, actual friend, Sutton
Speaker 2: decided to just be so thirsty for Kyle and fuck Garsona.
Speaker 2: What is Kyle's fucking power over everybody? It is just
Speaker 2: a popular girl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: She's like not cool, it's very cool, but that it's
Speaker 2: just what it's. It's it's Barlow and salt Lake. It's
Speaker 2: like these women that mistreat everyone would never do the
Speaker 2: same things for you that you're doing for them, demand
Speaker 2: one hundred percent blind loyalty. See, if you do anything,
Speaker 2: you're dead, and they're thirsty for it. It's popular girl.
Speaker 3: Shit.
Speaker 1: I really thought this was gonna be the season that
Speaker 1: Sutton took Kyle down. But I guess Nope, Kyle has
Speaker 1: a spell. No, she's fully sting like Kyle defended me.
Speaker 1: Did you guys see that? I mean, it's really embarrassing. Wait,
Speaker 1: did I already talk about her fashion show?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: All these so Sutton, you know, opens the store.
Speaker 2: She if you don't know, she's a woman that got
Speaker 2: an amazing divorce settlement. She gets three hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: a month in perpetuity. It seems like like I don't know,
Speaker 2: she's wealthy and she opened a store, and she has
Speaker 2: this fashion show and it's all about her mom being
Speaker 2: proud of her and achieving something and making something. And
Speaker 2: all these rich women are always like, here's a business,
Speaker 2: here's a new business. They don't need to make money, Like,
Speaker 2: why are none of them service minded? Like if you
Speaker 2: want to make people proud and just waste your money
Speaker 2: on whatever, why not like make a school for poor
Speaker 2: kids to make clothes. I don't know, Like, yeah, why
Speaker 2: not feed people every week and make that your episode?
Speaker 2: Like I know she's probably like, I go to galas
Speaker 2: and I give more, you know, but yeah, she's like,
Speaker 2: I've been able to get am far. I'm on the
Speaker 2: ballet gala, whatever board. I just don't get why they
Speaker 2: all need a new line of rose. Is it all
Speaker 2: tax evasion? Like why is not one of them service minded?
Speaker 2: It makes no sense to me to be this wealthy
Speaker 2: with nothing to fucking do, and you're like, yep, I
Speaker 2: gotta do a fashion show.
Speaker 1: It makes no sense to me. Yeah, if you're talking
Speaker 1: about someone like Sutton, you're sixty years old. Your mom
Speaker 1: is never gonna be proud of you. She has trauma
Speaker 1: and you do too. I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 1: No fashion show is gonna make your mom say I
Speaker 1: love you. She's never done it, So why not feed
Speaker 1: the poor? You're in California, and I bet that bitch
Speaker 1: doesn't vote right. No, I bet not either. But I
Speaker 1: think something probably really has a ton to charity. But
Speaker 1: I don't think she thinks it's fun to watch that
Speaker 1: on the TV show. I think she was like, she's like,
Speaker 1: it's a TV show. I want people to see my
Speaker 1: fashion and that I'm the fashion girly.
Speaker 3: She wants to brand herself. You know, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: It's just embarrassing and I don't know why it didn't
Speaker 2: hit me before this fashion show, but it set me
Speaker 2: off where I'm like, I can't believe any of these
Speaker 2: women and like none of them are like I'm going
Speaker 2: to start it, And the one that don't want was
Speaker 2: Bethany and she ended up ended up being kind of
Speaker 2: a criminal enterprise too.
Speaker 1: Well, that's funny that you mentioned Bethany, because I feel
Speaker 1: like most of them are trying to follow the Bethany playbook,
Speaker 1: where they're actually not as rich as they as they
Speaker 1: as they're co hostars I eed to read.
Speaker 3: Who I do.
Speaker 1: Believe is a full grifter and this is their opportunity
Speaker 1: to launch some kind of multimillion dollar brand like what
Speaker 1: Bethany did, and it just hasn't worked out as well.
Speaker 3: At Bethany was like the blueprint for that.
Speaker 2: Well, what I actually Bethany is doing some business or
Speaker 2: some podcasts that's been in my feed, showing me clips
Speaker 2: and she goes like the Housewives, does it make a
Speaker 2: business or a product?
Speaker 3: Go like, it's not guaranteed success.
Speaker 2: And she's like a lot of these women are like
Speaker 2: like I think Jenna Lyons thought her eyelashes were gonna
Speaker 2: become a Bethany like style, Like no one cares, like
Speaker 2: it's not just exposure.
Speaker 3: Well did you.
Speaker 1: See like Amy Poehler and Tina Fey having a conversation
Speaker 1: on their podcast where she was like, it's just embarrassing
Speaker 1: to me when rich people have a side hustle.
Speaker 2: Like, but they all do. They all won't stop. It's
Speaker 2: insatiable fucking thirst for more and more and more in
Speaker 2: the most sickening way. I don't know, it's just it's
Speaker 2: just with everything going on, it's just like I don't know,
Speaker 2: it grosses me out. Yeah, Sutton is and none of
Speaker 2: them want to get a job, and none of them
Speaker 2: are ever like, fuck, I'm going through a divorcer. Our
Speaker 2: house was foreclosed, Honor, Oh no, I need money. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get a job. They're all like, I'm gonna make
Speaker 2: a purse line, and I'm like, you will never get
Speaker 2: your return on this purse line, Gretchy, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: I just I also.
Speaker 2: Don't have an entrepreneur imperial spirit. Yeah, because I think
Speaker 2: these people come to them.
Speaker 1: I think people come to them and go, we've got this.
Speaker 1: This person's going to design all the persons for you.
Speaker 1: Just slap your name on it. You'll make a bunch
Speaker 1: of money. Like, I think that's what happens, and unfortunately
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out a lot of the time. But
Speaker 1: and also yeah, I would love to see a little
Speaker 1: bit more service on the show. In general, we really
Speaker 1: haven't gotten anything since Homeless, not toothless, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, we really haven't gotten a lot of
Speaker 1: them supporting. Although I will say I love Bo's wears
Speaker 1: a black designer every single time she's on camera.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that until I just found that out.
Speaker 2: And I love that. I mean she is cool. I
Speaker 2: mean chief marketing officer. Who knew would be so into
Speaker 2: that job, Like it's cool. Yeah, she's someone with a job. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a blessing to watch.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, Sutton is gross, but she I do
Speaker 1: find her fun to watch, Like, I do think she's
Speaker 1: a good housewife. But you cannot be the recipient of
Speaker 1: a of a huge divorce settlement and then throw around
Speaker 1: how rich you are all the time when like, like
Speaker 1: the way the thing she said did to read about
Speaker 1: like find someone who's wallet match, It's like you're a
Speaker 1: gross Like that was a really gross comment.
Speaker 3: I thought that really was like.
Speaker 2: Low but well yeah, because well someone wrote they're like
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills is failing because you could tell none of
Speaker 2: them are actually friends or like each other and anyway
Speaker 2: that it's all forced, like there's just no nothing. But
Speaker 2: Garsette listen, Garcela made the most of it. She like
Speaker 2: revitalized her career in a huge way. So many projects. Yeah,
Speaker 2: gotta beach house. Let us know, let us know what
Speaker 2: she says tonight when you guys hang out. But she
Speaker 2: was hurt at that reunion when they went for her
Speaker 2: son and she was like tearing up and no one
Speaker 2: had her back, like yeah, I'm sorry the way they
Speaker 2: treat her, they do not treat each other. And yeah
Speaker 2: yeah even Eric, well Eric go is funny and watch
Speaker 2: what happens. But she goes what we both we both
Speaker 2: married ugly white men that cheated on us.
Speaker 3: That's what.
Speaker 2: Oh I do want to say thank you to wild Gummies,
Speaker 2: the guy from Portland. Yes, through big Box, Big Box nice,
Speaker 2: nice bullying on the podcast does work?
Speaker 3: It works?
Speaker 1: Wait can I I wanted to shout out somebody really quickly.
Speaker 1: We are friends with this comedian Louis Kats and his
Speaker 1: he's great. He opens for David Tel You're at one
Speaker 1: of your fave, my fave like all over the place.
Speaker 1: His wife started this business that she came over to
Speaker 1: my house and she went through my closet with me,
Speaker 1: and it was fucking the best. Like I was like
Speaker 1: on a high from this for like I still kind
Speaker 1: of am. She basically is like a stylus, like a
Speaker 1: wardrobe streamliner, and she'll go through and she's not in
Speaker 1: there to like tell you what like a bunch of
Speaker 1: new shit to buy. She's there to like help you
Speaker 1: put together outfits with like what you already have. And
Speaker 1: she thinks like in a way that like I would
Speaker 1: never think about how to like put my clothes together,
Speaker 1: Like there was stuff I had in my closet that
Speaker 1: I haven't touched in forever. She was like, this would
Speaker 1: go great with this, And I was like, wait, what,
Speaker 1: Like I never would have ever thought about that, And
Speaker 1: like I took all these pictures, I have all these
Speaker 1: new outfits like little flash cards in my phone.
Speaker 3: It was the best.
Speaker 1: And she's not paying me to say this, but I
Speaker 1: wanted to shout out her little business. If you live
Speaker 1: in the Los Angeles area, she's Angela Cats dot co.
Speaker 3: Go check it out. It's so fucking worth it.
Speaker 1: She helped me get rid of a ton of shit
Speaker 1: and she helped me, like work so much better with
Speaker 1: what I already have.
Speaker 2: And I love her. I mean it's all about that.
Speaker 2: Buying new shit's stupid. Yeah, all about repurposing. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: I didn't buy a new outfit for the premiere tonight. Mmm,
Speaker 2: I'm just wearing stuff that's been in my closet. Great, Yes,
Speaker 2: that's what life's about now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, Angela Cats fucking she just like really
Speaker 1: made me feel great. And now I feel like I
Speaker 1: have all these It feels like I went shopping because
Speaker 1: I like have, Like I'm wearing all this new shit
Speaker 1: in a new way.
Speaker 2: Well, and it makes packing easier once, Like outfits are
Speaker 2: kind of like mixy matchy, and you like everything, it's
Speaker 2: just so much easier to pack too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I had this dress that was like a
Speaker 1: short sleeve long, like a knee length dress or whatever,
Speaker 1: and she was like, this kind of looks like a
Speaker 1: hospital gown on you. But then she was like, open
Speaker 1: it up because it was buttoned down. And now I'm
Speaker 1: opening it up and I'm wearing it as like an
Speaker 1: overlayer with pants on a top, and it looks great.
Speaker 1: Like I never would have thought about doing that. I
Speaker 1: would have just given the dress away. So it's really
Speaker 1: a skill. I'm like not, you know, I like clothes,
Speaker 1: but I'm not like necessarily the best at putting outfits together.
Speaker 1: And like I feel like I got like an amazing
Speaker 1: tutoring set.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I love that he thinks everyone that came
Speaker 2: to Nashville, oh, I have so much fun. But in
Speaker 2: a wild turn of events, someone came to the show
Speaker 2: that I've not seen in seventeen years.
Speaker 3: A high school person. Not high school.
Speaker 2: We like shared a mutual friend and we would go
Speaker 2: clubbing together.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: And she was waiting in line to meet me after
Speaker 2: with her husband, and I looked and I go, do
Speaker 2: I know you? And she goes yeah, and I was
Speaker 2: like Rachel, And then it was and we hung out
Speaker 2: for hours. And her husband does like special effects for concerts,
Speaker 2: like he does the Incubus tour he does the lasers
Speaker 2: and fire.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I went to that school.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, did your head explode? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I was there. We got to end.
Speaker 3: I guess they're great. So it's just like nice.
Speaker 2: But he was on the road with like Bieber when
Speaker 2: Bieber was a teen, Like he almost got ran over
Speaker 2: by Bieber on a segway and stuff.
Speaker 3: But it was just really cool. But also what was wild?
Speaker 2: So in the back I just have the TV screen
Speaker 2: and all I saw was like two guys in red
Speaker 2: hats in the front, and it's Nashville. So I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 2: are you fucking kidding me? Like I can't believe this.
Speaker 2: I walk out. They're both like the most incredible. It's
Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with what I thought, but
Speaker 2: it was my fears. One of the guys in the
Speaker 2: red hat, full flannel, denim, cowboy boots, like.
Speaker 3: The whole get up, and I go, wow, I love
Speaker 3: your ring.
Speaker 2: He goes, oh yeah's husband behind him, my number one fan,
Speaker 2: gay quoting stuff like I would say something and he goes,
Speaker 2: I bet your dad liked that, like do everything, Like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, knew.
Speaker 3: Everything gay fun diamond ring.
Speaker 2: I was did you say, like did you say, you
Speaker 2: guys an attack with the hats?
Speaker 3: Why are you trolling me? Oh?
Speaker 2: Of course. I had the best time with them. After
Speaker 2: I go are you fucking kidding me? I'm like, what
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna do? And now you're a
Speaker 2: fucking just like here with your husband knowing all my jokes,
Speaker 2: Like perception is so off. Sometimes it was like really
Speaker 2: lovely to get checked. It was tough to get like
Speaker 2: reminded of everyone's humanity. But if the red hats were
Speaker 2: red hat, Like, if he was who I thought he was,
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 3: Have kicked him out. That's amazing. Yeah, vial or not,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Did we talk last week about my drag Race episode
Speaker 1: that aired?
Speaker 2: No, I have it. That was the last thing in
Speaker 2: my introness. I was like, I know, there's one more thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you wrote the sketch, Yes.
Speaker 1: The acting challenge, the acting Challenge, the Ross Matthews and
Speaker 1: the Ducks. Yeah, that was like so funny because I
Speaker 1: was like they were just making such a big deal
Speaker 1: about the prostate wants what it wants, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, like that's fun that they like love that.
Speaker 1: I think I originally wrote the colon wants what it wants.
Speaker 1: But then we switched it to prostate. But you know,
Speaker 1: I was happy. It was cool because they always change
Speaker 1: everything I write, and like there's it always like you know,
Speaker 1: you never know how things are going to turn out.
Speaker 1: It really, in my mind looked exactly like what came
Speaker 1: out like that's how I saw it staged. That's what
Speaker 1: I saw the bar looking like, like it was exactly
Speaker 1: in my mind what I thought it was going to
Speaker 1: look like.
Speaker 2: So that was like a surprise. It was a great
Speaker 2: episode and they're great girls. How did you working with that?
Speaker 1: I was sad that that that challenge sent Lydia Butthole
Speaker 1: home because I've been liking Butthole.
Speaker 3: Well that's what I was goot to saying.
Speaker 2: If she didn't bring out the scissors, she would have stayed,
Speaker 2: I know, because her lip sync was better. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: Like Lana Gerrat has been hanging on by a fucking
Speaker 2: thread and like I just can't believe she's in the
Speaker 2: top like she was in the top five, I know,
Speaker 2: but like Eve, but even this last time where she was,
Speaker 2: you know, the fourth time in the bottom.
Speaker 3: Her lip sync was better.
Speaker 2: Yeah I thought so, but you know, they had the
Speaker 2: letter go only Cameron Michael somehow kept losing and made
Speaker 2: it to the top three, and I don't.
Speaker 3: Really know how. Yeah, dancing.
Speaker 1: Maybe my friend Elliott's obsessed with Cameron's dancing.
Speaker 3: He's like, I just love the way her bottom moves.
Speaker 2: Wait, guess who went to Taylor Swift soul cycle with
Speaker 2: me yesterday?
Speaker 3: Who? Nikki Glazer? Oh yeah?
Speaker 2: And her assistant Emily Who's who's a soul cycler who
Speaker 2: like knows what's up? But it was I was exploding,
Speaker 2: like I just love bringing people yes, like, and then
Speaker 2: next week Caitlin Belue it's gonna be her hundredth ride
Speaker 2: or go.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just like to combine all my worlds.
Speaker 1: Was just everything that's fun, that's really fun, all right,
Speaker 1: Casey did just write.
Speaker 2: Out on a notepa I feel today was also really
Speaker 2: reminiscent of our old school intros.
Speaker 3: I don't know, just really nothing, you know, just chit chat.
Speaker 1: Yes, but Casey looks a little stressed and he's rubbing
Speaker 1: his eyes and showing us a notepad with a thirty
Speaker 1: on it, So we gotta we gotta wrap it up.
Speaker 2: But yeah, shout out to everyone in fucking Nashville. I
Speaker 2: really liked everyone. It was really fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and go to that.
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Speaker 1: episode for you today or do we.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're doing Truth Embargo season twenty five, episode two. Wait,
Speaker 2: that's crazy because it came out January twenty fifth, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, episode two, so it's like, oh, because the strike.
Speaker 2: It must have been a strike because they usually premiere
Speaker 2: in the fall.
Speaker 1: Yes, and season episode one was like more Maddie whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is part of the Maddie Laurid.
Speaker 2: You know season twenty five had a through story and
Speaker 2: so that we're gonna touch on it a little in
Speaker 2: this but Kara, what what what?
Speaker 3: What are you gonna say?
Speaker 1: Guys, we have the distinct pleasure today to be covering truth.
Speaker 1: Embargo the number one worst rated SVU episode on IMDb. Recently,
Speaker 1: it has dethroned Intimidation Game, which I always I don't
Speaker 1: think is a bad episode.
Speaker 3: I think the.
Speaker 1: Gamers like took over IMDb and we're like, this isn't
Speaker 1: real gaming, and it's like, people that don't watch us
Speaker 1: for you really care if it's real. If it's like, well,
Speaker 1: let's how the are about to go after original recipe.
Speaker 3: Are about to crash that episode the luigiads, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: but this.
Speaker 1: One is I was noodling around a little bit on
Speaker 1: Reddit and people really fucking hate this episode. So I
Speaker 1: am obviously thrilled that we're doing it right now. I like,
Speaker 1: I saw it and I was like, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: kind of one of the like more recent season episodes
Speaker 1: where I don't really like love the story that much,
Speaker 1: but whatever, and then I've really thought about it, was.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, it's it is quite bad. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: But I will say what I love about this episode.
Speaker 2: A lot of zingers, like a lot of funny lines,
Speaker 2: and so we'll, you know, we'll get to celebrate those.
Speaker 2: I actually didn't even know any of this, and I
Speaker 2: feel like a fool.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what if we're like, I'm loving this.
Speaker 2: So a little upsetting, of course, But we start with
Speaker 2: a sexy Marishka, so we're happy doorman building. He opens
Speaker 2: the door for her. It's time for fitness. She's going
Speaker 2: on a run. Her you know, messy pony tail is perfect,
Speaker 2: and she has a shirt with the thumbholes. She's wearing
Speaker 2: the Maddie bracelet that she got off that she found
Speaker 2: evidence that Maddie was there. You know what, We're not
Speaker 2: getting into it. You want to watch it? Did we
Speaker 2: Did we not cover the first episode of this? We
Speaker 2: did because we had Maddie on. Yeah, tunnel blind. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we had a run. Yeah. So yeah, pretty exciting. And
Speaker 2: this is a tailor coded episode. You know, she has
Speaker 2: this beaded bracelet that says, oh yeah, friendship bracelets.
Speaker 1: But also there's a lot of episodes seasons starting in
Speaker 1: like seasons twenty around where Live is in workout gear,
Speaker 1: and like the first twenty years of this show, we
Speaker 1: did not really ever see her in anything besides you know,
Speaker 1: the blazer or like jeans and like a fitted little
Speaker 1: scoop neck top or something.
Speaker 3: But like we never saw her in at leisure or anything.
Speaker 1: And then like starting like a few seasons ago, it's
Speaker 1: I do think she just told wardrobe like, I just
Speaker 1: want sometimes to be super comfortable. Can you just like
Speaker 1: put me in like a Lululemon and like let it rock?
Speaker 1: Like what do you think?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm trying to think when the exercise started. Well,
Speaker 2: like season twenty, Yeah, season twenty, there's an episode where
Speaker 2: she shows up at a crime scene and she's like
Speaker 2: I was with my trainer, you know, so like, yeah, she's.
Speaker 3: Starting to work out a lot more.
Speaker 2: I mean she was always well cause because I remember
Speaker 2: her doing sprints. I know, I covered one episode where
Speaker 2: she starts off with the train or doing sprints.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, I think a later like a later EP season.
Speaker 3: I know. So they never worked out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was always just like Stabler in a bad mood,
Speaker 2: pumping iron. You know, that's like the most workout totally. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I and we always saw Rolin's jogging we always
Speaker 2: saw Rollin's jogging, but we never saw Marishka really working out.
Speaker 2: But it also I think could be part of like
Speaker 2: her storyline of like she's trying to do things for
Speaker 2: her spend time like because now she has no more
Speaker 2: work life balance, like taking care of yourself. Also, for me,
Speaker 2: as someone who had kids a little bit older, I
Speaker 2: felt like I need to get back to fucking working
Speaker 2: out so that I can keep up with them because
Speaker 2: I feel tired as hell all the time with them.
Speaker 2: So working out like helps you chase after your kids,
Speaker 2: you know. So maybe it's a little bit of Noah
Speaker 2: and a little bit of self care.
Speaker 3: Who knows, but I think.
Speaker 2: She was probably always keeping fit though because of the job.
Speaker 1: Of course, I would imagine that young Olivia Benson would
Speaker 1: go to a gym or take a run, but we
Speaker 1: just never saw it.
Speaker 2: Oh I bet she was a fit. This bitch was
Speaker 2: doing step classes. I know it, I know it. I
Speaker 2: feel like late nineties Benson was totally doing fuck it.
Speaker 2: Do you think she was like doing zoomba and like
Speaker 2: all the fatso not.
Speaker 1: Zoomba, but definitely step I do.
Speaker 3: I s yeah, I used to do that. Way I
Speaker 3: could see her doing soul. I could see Olivia doing soul.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah in New York City.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yea dark she like herself. Yeah, I was talking
Speaker 2: about Soul cycle like I always do, and kind of
Speaker 2: selling it and there, like, I guess if there's also
Speaker 2: a light show, I go, there is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's that is one of the things I think
Speaker 1: about when I'm like, I could go to soul. The
Speaker 1: lights are fun. But anyways, she's running and she and
Speaker 1: she's haunted.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's no dialogue, it's just music, and this bitch
Speaker 2: is fast. She is running fast, but she sees an
Speaker 2: energy drink truck, the last place Mattie was seen.
Speaker 3: So she runs opens the door.
Speaker 2: The guy's like what the fuck, and she's like flashback,
Speaker 2: you know, And this guy looks like lin Manuel Miranda.
Speaker 2: It's not though I looked it up and he would
Speaker 2: have gotten a bigger part. But for a moment or
Speaker 2: two I did look it up. It looked so much
Speaker 2: like him. Benson's like, whoops. And now we're at work.
Speaker 2: Finn's at work. They're chatting a case. Octavio is spinning
Speaker 2: in his chair and Finn is like, it's a you know,
Speaker 2: explains that it's a fifteen year old gun. Too many prints.
Speaker 2: You know, it's better to have no prince than too
Speaker 2: many prints. Benson walks in works chic ready and right
Speaker 2: away she's talking about this gun, Mattie's case.
Speaker 3: Let's go, let's go, Finn, this is one of my zingers.
Speaker 2: He goes that gun's been passed around more than little
Speaker 2: Nikki Kriesi at his baptism, which is like, so does
Speaker 2: not roll off the tongue, but ice makes it work.
Speaker 2: Ice makes it works. So FBI guys here. She hates
Speaker 2: his ass. She goes to her office to meet him.
Speaker 2: He looks like a twerp, but we'd love to have
Speaker 2: him on the pod. He's been in four episodes. Josh
Speaker 2: Cook gives us on eleven episodes of Dexter, which I
Speaker 2: can't even I can't have them, but you know, thrilled
Speaker 2: to see him. And so then you know, she's like, well,
Speaker 2: you're here to take my case. He goes, no, I'm
Speaker 2: actually here to help and coordinate. We're going to get
Speaker 2: you know, and she's like, oh, of course, state lines,
Speaker 2: sex dolls. Of course, yeah, we're going to be involved,
Speaker 2: and he goes, yeah, we're going to try to do
Speaker 2: federal child porn charges with the Maddie case, we got
Speaker 2: to link up with SVU and we're going to link
Speaker 2: you up with our child abduction Response team cards. And
Speaker 2: she's like shocked at this teamwork. So I bet he's
Speaker 2: going to fuck her over. But we cut to hot
Speaker 2: lesbian couple in the kitchen and they're talking about their honeymoon.
Speaker 2: You know they're planning it, Natalie and Brook. They're going
Speaker 2: to an island. One of them hates swimming. You know,
Speaker 2: she's scared of sharks, sharts, stays in, stays in a
Speaker 2: I bet she's scared of sharks.
Speaker 3: Are we all? But it's sharks. It's sharks sharks.
Speaker 2: So they flirt and you know, they're like talking cocktails.
Speaker 2: One of them has to go to work. The other
Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna go to the mall and buy
Speaker 2: sexy bathing suits. So she has a bunch of one pieces.
Speaker 2: I see a bright pink one, I'm into she but
Speaker 2: she's trying on a white one and there's like a
Speaker 2: metal circles right below the boobs with like ropes going
Speaker 2: in and out, and she hears noises, so she goes
Speaker 2: out to see what's happening from the dressing room and
Speaker 2: she freezes, like fully frozen in this white bathing suit,
Speaker 2: and it's a smash and grab tons of people dressed
Speaker 2: in black. There's like twenty to thirty of them, all
Speaker 2: ransacking the store, grabbing whatever they can. Two guys are
Speaker 2: making a video like what's up, you know, TikTok video
Speaker 2: of committing crime.
Speaker 3: One young man sees the bathing suit woman.
Speaker 2: She starts to run away, too late, girl, and you know,
Speaker 2: we can assume what happens. So sadly, we have velasco
Speaker 2: Benson and Finn and they meet up and Finn calls
Speaker 2: him money bags.
Speaker 1: Because he sees Bruno. Yeah, so he goes, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: money bags, how'd you get here fast? He's like, I
Speaker 1: had my driver take me. I'm literally so loaded. I
Speaker 1: got all of NYPD's money and now I'm trolling them
Speaker 1: by still working for them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, masked s looters basically, and a saleswoman got groped,
Speaker 2: and so that's who we're here to talk to, those
Speaker 2: groped saleswoman. She's like, he tore off my shirt, he
Speaker 2: groped me, and he was white, bad skin pimples teen
Speaker 2: and so inside, Benson and Finn are with a uniform
Speaker 2: cop and they're walking through the store, and of course
Speaker 2: Benson she hears faint sobbing, so she enters the employees
Speaker 2: only like storage closet. There's a steamer in the corner,
Speaker 2: so she finds our victim. She's still in the white
Speaker 2: bathing suit. She has blood on her face and she's
Speaker 2: huddled in a corner crying. She's really in shock. Natalie
Speaker 2: is her name. Benson's like, I got you now, gives
Speaker 2: her her jacket. This actress incredible. We call for a bus.
Speaker 2: She's really fun up over this and crying, and we
Speaker 2: just hit the credits. This isn't this opening scene over
Speaker 2: six minutes long? I bet?
Speaker 3: I bet?
Speaker 2: Not only is this the lowest rated episode of all time,
Speaker 2: this might be the longest intro of all time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: wow fully, like a jog set, a lesbian set, a
Speaker 2: store set, and then a crime scene.
Speaker 3: It's like four different sets.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of and we met at the precincts
Speaker 1: already too. This intro had five locations. This is the
Speaker 1: longest cold open of all time for sure.
Speaker 3: So we're back.
Speaker 2: She's in the hospital and Benson's trying to get information.
Speaker 2: Last thing she remembers was trying on a bathing suit
Speaker 2: in the dressing room. She heard commotion outside. She went
Speaker 2: back to look and a man was there. Suspenseful music
Speaker 2: plays and she gathers her thoughts. He forced her back
Speaker 2: in there, took off her suit, like moved it. She says.
Speaker 2: He seemed young. She has tears in her eye. She's like,
Speaker 2: he had his mask on. I don't want to talk
Speaker 2: to get me Brooke. I want Brooke like, go fuck yourself.
Speaker 2: We see Brooks, She's distraught. Finn and Velasco are with her,
Speaker 2: and she's like, what the fuck. It was the middle
Speaker 2: of a day in a fancy boutique and it's like,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, babe, that looked like an H and M.
Speaker 2: That's not a fancy a Zara at best. But maybe
Speaker 2: I'm off. Maybe I'm off. It was definitely a department store.
Speaker 1: It was big, so I thought I was thinking maybe
Speaker 1: Nordstrom or something. But I did it really clock any
Speaker 1: of the clothes? No, you're right, they were like smashing
Speaker 1: through the glass. It was more department store, but it
Speaker 1: gave them. I want to know where they filmed it.
Speaker 1: I am curious. But anyway, but she says fancy boutique.
Speaker 1: I mean fancy for who that's subjective to.
Speaker 2: That's true. They seem rich though, you know. But she's pissed.
Speaker 2: She goes, how did this happen? Where are the witnesses?
Speaker 3: Like? What happened to the city? Baby? This is New York.
Speaker 3: What do you mean when.
Speaker 2: Did the cr Like what, yeah, I guess smash and grabs?
Speaker 2: You're gonna cover that. I'm a sou Yeah, yeah, Like
Speaker 2: I get that's like maybe a newer phenomenon, but in
Speaker 2: terms of like things happening in the city, it's kind
Speaker 2: of one of it's it's also ye stitch characteristics or
Speaker 2: at least stereotypes, you know what I mean. And the
Speaker 2: whole thing was it used to be less safe in
Speaker 2: the eighties, you know what I mean. So it's like
Speaker 2: it's just what part of the city are you living in?
Speaker 2: And where did you come from? Nebraska?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: So she says, are the police trying to prove some
Speaker 2: point or something? Of Alesco's like what wait? What what
Speaker 2: am I? What am I? What am I missing?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And I'm as lost as he is, and she says
Speaker 2: that we still need you. So this is you know,
Speaker 2: you know, a cab vibes, and so she scoffs and
Speaker 2: she walks off.
Speaker 3: She's pissed.
Speaker 2: Benson's on the phone complaining that the press is there
Speaker 2: and we need them gone before they start harassing you know,
Speaker 2: her victim and Finn again another funny line from Finn,
Speaker 2: he goes, wow, twenty twenty four is off to a
Speaker 2: rowdy start. Rowdy is only a word so used in
Speaker 2: cheerleading or like you know, softball cheers like.
Speaker 3: Borrow wd I e lets yet right, like, it's not
Speaker 3: for a detective.
Speaker 2: It's not for a seasoned, grizzled detective of decades, but like,
Speaker 2: I guess it is a he says, two media cases
Speaker 2: in a week. Bruno does have a connect at Major
Speaker 2: Case who's been working on the smash and grabs, and
Speaker 2: so he's gonna give them access to all the security footage.
Speaker 2: So we're watching the footage, and even though Natalie said
Speaker 2: she did not see his face in the video, we
Speaker 2: see that the guy does take his mask off before
Speaker 2: he attacks her. So I wonder what's going down. So
Speaker 2: Taru also found the kids recording of you know that
Speaker 2: we saw getting recorded and it has eighty thousand views
Speaker 2: and one of the guys in the TikTok video looks
Speaker 2: like he's one of the guys that pushed Natalie. We
Speaker 2: do see him taking off his mask, but all the
Speaker 2: footage is from the back, like we do not see
Speaker 2: his face, but it's the same guy like hair wise.
Speaker 2: So Travis Butler is the guy that posts of the videos,
Speaker 2: so we're gonna go get him. But also lol, to
Speaker 2: post the video of yourself committing like a giant crime
Speaker 2: onto the internet does not make sense to me. But
Speaker 2: I like, you're wearing a mask for secrecy, but then
Speaker 2: you're posting it online. So they rest his ass and
Speaker 2: he does not look like good news. And then Benson says,
Speaker 2: I hope the clicks were worth it. And I look
Speaker 2: look at my note I wrote, this episode is fire.
Speaker 3: Do you see it? Like?
Speaker 2: I can't I like love this episode again, I can't
Speaker 2: believe it. This episode is fire well in terms of
Speaker 2: like like like like.
Speaker 1: We like stuff when it's like campy and there's stuff
Speaker 1: we can like make fun of, and there's plenty in
Speaker 1: this you know, So this episode is fire.
Speaker 2: He goes, listen, I only took this shirt. Take it
Speaker 2: and he takes his shirt off and he goes, we're
Speaker 2: done here, like the confidence of this guy.
Speaker 3: Bruno and Carisi are there. They laugh at him.
Speaker 2: Bruno's like, it's not about what you stole, and then
Speaker 2: Carisi goes, but thanks for your admission of guilt. They
Speaker 2: say they only care about the rape, and I love that.
Speaker 2: He's just like shirtless fully and he's wearing a gold
Speaker 2: cross necklace. Bruno shows the video and says, what do
Speaker 2: you guys call it a collab like it's funny. He says,
Speaker 2: that is not my friend, and they're like, well, he's
Speaker 2: a rapist, so tell us who it is. Give us
Speaker 2: a name, bitch, and there's tense music. He says, well,
Speaker 2: what do I get? And Chreasy goes a deal for
Speaker 2: the smash and grab.
Speaker 3: Duh.
Speaker 2: He's like, listen, I only met him outside the store
Speaker 2: and I didn't see anyone's face without a mask, I
Speaker 2: swear to God. And he does have the gold necklace.
Speaker 2: But so we're at zero. This guy's not giving us anything.
Speaker 2: But Bruno's friend found the kids on discord and I
Speaker 2: don't know what that is. And guess what, I didn't
Speaker 2: google it. I don't give a fuck, So there, I
Speaker 2: know what it is. I know they're chatting, but what Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just like it's just it's chats. Yeah, It's like
Speaker 2: it's like online chats.
Speaker 1: But it's funny to me because Discord I thought was
Speaker 1: more for like gamers and nerds, like Jared uses it
Speaker 1: a lot for his stuff that he does for his gaming.
Speaker 1: But like Bitch Sash Bravo podcast that like you, they
Speaker 1: have a discord, Like all kinds of places now have
Speaker 1: discords for you to just it's like whereas people used
Speaker 1: to chat, it's like another place to chat that's not
Speaker 1: Instagram comments, I guess, and you can just chat with
Speaker 1: other people that like the same thing you do and
Speaker 1: talk about you know, episodes or strategies or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay cool, yeah, connected to the youth. Yeah, so whatever,
Speaker 2: they monitor the chat. They're doing a raid. We have
Speaker 2: all these people, but all these guys are gonna be
Speaker 2: out in twenty four hours, right like on bail or whatever.
Speaker 2: Benson he's like, fuck, can we get these people on
Speaker 2: sex crimes? We need to get someone on a sex crime.
Speaker 2: And Creasey goes it seems like you're going crazy. Do
Speaker 2: you think it's because of Maddie? And Benson goes shut
Speaker 2: the fuck up. I want to find these guys. Finch
Speaker 2: ups in and goes, hey, babe, I'll pull an all
Speaker 2: nighter if that's what you need, That's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2: She goes thanks, and then Careesy realizes he's a dumb
Speaker 2: piece of shit trying to speak to Benson like that.
Speaker 2: So she's gonna put you you're letting these old guys
Speaker 2: stay up all night.
Speaker 3: What are you up to?
Speaker 2: Careesy stop with her negativity.
Speaker 3: So whatever.
Speaker 2: He's a lawyer now, so they're gonna push it to
Speaker 2: the limit and they're going to make this happen.
Speaker 3: So whatever.
Speaker 2: They're like arguing about what to do next, and finally
Speaker 2: Benson goes, Okay, you're right, let's make the pool smaller
Speaker 2: before we go fishing. So that's kind of exciting. So
Speaker 2: let's bring Jenny and Natalie and have the idea mugshot.
Speaker 2: Jenny is the store clerk. We just learned her name.
Speaker 2: It's Jenny. So anyways, we bring them in and the
Speaker 2: store clerk finds her green eyed pimple groper and she
Speaker 2: is sure she you know, on the iPad, that is him.
Speaker 2: But our girl Natalie doesn't recognize any of them, and
Speaker 2: she has like such a fucking attitude, but she you know,
Speaker 2: obviously was attacked, so I understand, but she goes, no,
Speaker 2: my mind is blank.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen this. And then she's like, well, why
Speaker 1: were these men arrested for?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: What are they arrested for? And Bruno goes robbery. I
Speaker 2: think you were there. You were there for that, and
Speaker 2: and she's like are you sure, and Benson goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: we have them on video and then we have them
Speaker 2: like they have the items in their possession. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: she goes, well, I just want to be sure and
Speaker 2: again rude but trauma okay. And then so she goes,
Speaker 2: did you get any evidence from the rape kid I had?
Speaker 2: And they go no, there's no DNA, but like, are
Speaker 2: you sure you didn't see the face? And Bruno goes
Speaker 2: because we actually saw the video and he did take
Speaker 2: his mask off, and she's like oh, and she's like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I saw the face, like I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: Knock knock, it's our boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Benson goes to meet him, and so pimple Groper's trying
Speaker 2: to make a deal and says he can connect him
Speaker 2: to their fence and so Benson goes, oh fuck, they
Speaker 2: sell all their stuff to one guy. We got to
Speaker 2: go find him. So they bring him in and I
Speaker 2: guess that's what offence is. So then he's really fun.
Speaker 2: He's relaxed. He goes, I'm not stealing, I just resell it,
Speaker 2: and then Velasko goes relax Crispy so his name is Crispy,
Speaker 2: which lol, And he denies knowing about the rape, and
Speaker 2: he's being light and trying to make it silly, and
Speaker 2: Finn finally is like, motherfucker's CSUS at your apartment right now,
Speaker 2: we have evidence, So do you want to help us
Speaker 2: or not?
Speaker 3: Like I don't. What are you?
Speaker 2: What are you playing games for right now? So then
Speaker 2: he goes, fine, okay, there's one kid bragging about how
Speaker 2: we grab more than just clothes. And then in this
Speaker 2: moment we hear commotion. We're like, what's going on. It's
Speaker 2: a fucking smash and grab at the NYPD. This is
Speaker 2: humiliating to all of them. Holy shit, there's dozens of
Speaker 2: people chairs, throwing glasses, breaking tables are being flipped like
Speaker 2: you're the NYPD. And then some uniform cop polls are
Speaker 2: gun on someone and goes drop the laptop and Benson goes,
Speaker 2: lower your weapon, lower your weapon, and she keeps yelling
Speaker 2: about some laptop and Benson goes, these are teenagers, and
Speaker 2: the uniform cop goes, there's right and wrong, and Benson
Speaker 2: stares her down and goes, nobody's getting shot here today.
Speaker 2: Do you understand me? And you know, she goes, where's
Speaker 2: my backup? But it is crazy, like, yeah, there's right
Speaker 2: and wrong, and I guess you should murder someone from
Speaker 2: stealing a laptop, but also like the fact that there's
Speaker 2: a smash and grab at your office is not on
Speaker 2: the first floor of a police station is crazy. This
Speaker 2: is where I think the episode falls off.
Speaker 3: The rails, right, how would this even happen? Like, I
Speaker 3: just there's cops. Well, I will you what happens.
Speaker 1: So she's on the phone with the chief, the place
Speaker 1: is a mess, and the desk sergeant from downstairs is
Speaker 1: on suspension.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe.
Speaker 1: Fire him, okay, one desk sergeant, I mean, are there not?
Speaker 1: It's just so, how do you get suspended as a
Speaker 1: desk sergeant.
Speaker 3: I thought I'm tasing people.
Speaker 1: I thought you got suspended for doing something bad in
Speaker 1: the field, and then you became the desk sergeant. What
Speaker 1: did he do bad at the desk that he got suspended? Well,
Speaker 1: he let people in. Yeah, oh oh, he's suspended. I
Speaker 1: thought that's why they got in. Okay, See now I'm
Speaker 1: so confused. I thought you were saying the reason they
Speaker 1: all got in is because the desk sergeant that would
Speaker 1: normally have stopped anybody coming in, yeah, had been suspended.
Speaker 1: But you're saying he has been suspended because of what
Speaker 1: has happened here. Okay.
Speaker 3: Still, there's cops.
Speaker 2: And these teens in tase them, like you don't have
Speaker 2: to murder them, but you can't someone.
Speaker 1: On the back of the head with the butt of
Speaker 1: your gun, Like there's other ways you can, fucking like, like,
Speaker 1: you know, disarm people.
Speaker 3: It's so crazy.
Speaker 2: Cariesy walks in and he's like, fuck, it took twenty
Speaker 2: minutes to get up here with security in finn again
Speaker 2: with a with a nail with a nail.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: NYPD always responds best after it's too late, and I
Speaker 2: feel that, but it could have been worse.
Speaker 3: So what is this about? They have eight kids collared.
Speaker 2: Travis Butler, the shirtless guy, he's one of them, so
Speaker 2: he's just like an attention junkie. He live streamed his
Speaker 2: arrests and now at least they have more leverage and
Speaker 2: he got one hundred thousand views though, so he is humped.
Speaker 2: So Bruno and Crisy, you are threatening him with like
Speaker 2: a lot of time or he needs to out the rapist.
Speaker 2: And yeah, he doesn't want to talk because it's actually
Speaker 2: his friend since fifth grade. He doesn't want to give
Speaker 2: him up. And they're like, we know you've known him
Speaker 2: for a long time, but he is a rapist. The
Speaker 2: guy's getting emotional, but does give up his friend, who's
Speaker 2: Jay Watson.
Speaker 3: And now they bring in Jay.
Speaker 2: They basically wired Travis and have all this evident and
Speaker 2: they bring him in and he admitted to taking something
Speaker 2: that didn't belong to him, which you know, if he
Speaker 2: has a good lawyer can play it. And anyway, and
Speaker 2: Natalie has a shaky ID. There's also no DNA, so
Speaker 2: we need a confession or there needs to be more evidence,
Speaker 2: but Natalie is still not being helpful. Benson has to
Speaker 2: beg her to help this case. Reassures her nobody will
Speaker 2: pressure her either way, just come make an ID, and
Speaker 2: Benson's like, if you recognize him, and she's like, what
Speaker 2: if I don't, And she's like, then you don't like girl,
Speaker 2: I'm on your side. So they bring the guys into
Speaker 2: the lineup. She starts to look uncomfortable. She IDs him
Speaker 2: immediately she goes number three. She's sure that's him, Like,
Speaker 2: that's it, Like there's nothing else. Coreesy still needs more.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, DNA hungry. So something comes to
Speaker 2: Benson and he's and she goes, oh my god, the
Speaker 2: sticker liner in the bathing suit, the hygienic liner. Where
Speaker 2: is it? I'm sure Csu was a dumb man and
Speaker 2: didn't know what it was. So suspenseful music plays.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, can I just say, do you remember when
Speaker 1: you win thisisode first came on you texted me about this. No,
Speaker 1: you were like, when this episode was first on, you
Speaker 1: texted me You're like, you're gonna die tonight's episode. You
Speaker 1: were like you were like the liner, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the hygienic liner.
Speaker 3: And I go what?
Speaker 1: And then I watched the episode, I was like, what
Speaker 1: is happening? Like, of course liv knows about the hygienic liner.
Speaker 3: That I wouldn't know one.
Speaker 2: I mean, so it's bagged with other evidence, but it
Speaker 2: was like probably still in the crowd. Oh maybe it
Speaker 2: like came out with the damage and was on the ground.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like just test it, test it. I
Speaker 2: don't get that, but they got for Benson and I
Speaker 2: can't believe I texted you and she's on the stand.
Speaker 3: Should we make stickers that look like liners? Okay?
Speaker 2: Caresy as the liner in an evidence bag and shows
Speaker 2: it to the jury slowly, and Benson explains, like what
Speaker 2: it is on the stand and how CSU failed to
Speaker 2: get it to the lab. But Jay Watson's DNA is
Speaker 2: on it, and it came off during the brutal attack,
Speaker 2: you know. Objections, objection, And now it's Carter, the defense
Speaker 2: attorney's time to play, and he goes to the baby,
Speaker 2: said no DNA, and then all of a sudden, you
Speaker 2: get to spin it find a sticker after some idea.
Speaker 2: He's just playing a fucking game, and the judge is like, okay,
Speaker 2: we know that's not true.
Speaker 3: Like stop.
Speaker 2: The fiance is staring at the rapist team and Benson
Speaker 2: then meets her in the bench in the court in
Speaker 2: court hallway. She's not doing good and neither is her fiance.
Speaker 2: They're really struggling. She's like, you know, she goes, it's
Speaker 2: also not just about the attack. We're aware of the
Speaker 2: systemic inequalities that exist in the criminal justice system, and
Speaker 2: you know, we just have concerned that he might not
Speaker 2: get a fair trial. And Benson's like, I cannot deny
Speaker 2: there's a history of racial bias. And then this woman
Speaker 2: just say, yeah, how do you do this every day?
Speaker 2: And she goes, listen, my priority and focus is on healing, okay,
Speaker 2: And now Natalie is on the stands, so that's the priority.
Speaker 2: She does ask to go pee first. And now she's
Speaker 2: on the stand. I don't know why we had to
Speaker 2: see this Pece break, but we saw it. So she's
Speaker 2: telling her truth on the stand. She's having a hard
Speaker 2: time but getting it all out, but she does not
Speaker 2: want to identify him. She's biting her lip. You know,
Speaker 2: there's chatter everywhere. The judge calls orders, she's not answering.
Speaker 2: The judge does give Cresey a fifteen minute recess, which
Speaker 2: seems unlikely. Natalie is frozen. The defense attorney is confused.
Speaker 2: Benson is in shock. We're in the hallway and she
Speaker 2: is just very affected at how you know, young he looks,
Speaker 2: and how the jacket is big on him, and Creasy's like,
Speaker 2: I've never had a case go sideways because of tailoring.
Speaker 3: What the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2: And She's like, listen, you know, my parents are a
Speaker 2: bit religious and they used to foster children. And her
Speaker 2: brother Yves from Cameroon, when he came around twelve, they
Speaker 2: were like in a you know, in a store, and
Speaker 2: she dared him to steal a pack of gum and
Speaker 2: they arrested this child but not her, and he had
Speaker 2: to go to Juvie and she and Crisa goes apples
Speaker 2: and oranges, this is different and she goes no, like
Speaker 2: he had a record and it pushed him down this
Speaker 2: awful path and I'm just like against everything, and ben
Speaker 2: Sup goes, no, I hate that too, but this guy
Speaker 2: did rape you. Like I don't know how to get
Speaker 2: this through to you. It is kind of it is
Speaker 2: kind of nuts.
Speaker 1: Like the premise here is nuts, you know, like we
Speaker 1: all believe, like I mean.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm the most liberal person ever.
Speaker 1: I still don't think we should be saying that anybody that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, first of all, yeah, the pack of gum,
Speaker 1: Like I'm having a hard time believing that your juvenile
Speaker 1: record for petty theft actually like was not like affect like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it probably does affect things that you know,
Speaker 1: like as a young child that people are suspicious of
Speaker 1: you and like, you know, but it's just such a
Speaker 1: different fucking thing someone committed a violent crime against you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is where a lot of
Speaker 1: people lose this episode. Yeah, I guess it's disrespectful.
Speaker 3: To rape victims like blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: I can't I get the sentiment they were trying to
Speaker 2: touch within the culture because it was like, you know,
Speaker 2: under I feel like this these were discussions happening in
Speaker 2: this time or like it was a thing where it's like,
Speaker 2: are you gonna think twice before calling the cops? If
Speaker 2: like that call can endanger someone's life. Like, I get
Speaker 2: what they were trying to do, but it does seem
Speaker 2: hard to not want your rapists put away. But then
Speaker 2: she goes into it. She goes, I have money, I
Speaker 2: can go to therapy. I'm gonna get better. But if
Speaker 2: this teenager goes to prison, he might not be okay. Ever, yeah,
Speaker 2: Craasy thinks about it. Natalie cries. She says she doesn't
Speaker 2: want that, and she runs off. Benson runs after her.
Speaker 2: They meet in the bathroom. She's like, babe, you're doing
Speaker 2: the wrong thing for the right reason. Jay Watson is
Speaker 2: a criminal. She goes, he's eighteen, he's not anything yet,
Speaker 2: and Benson goes, he took a chance to victimize you.
Speaker 2: He saw a chance to victimize you, and he took it.
Speaker 2: And you know, but she feels guilty, and Benson on
Speaker 2: stands and also says, you know, I will stand with
Speaker 2: you no matter what decision you make. But he raped
Speaker 2: you so violently. And Benson, you know, like Aladdin before
Speaker 2: her asks do you trust me? And she's and she's panting.
Speaker 2: So Natalie's back on the stand. She points to him.
Speaker 2: He looks down in shame. Crisey asks why she couldn't
Speaker 2: do it earlier, and she goes. She answers, slowly but confidently,
Speaker 2: as a victim of a crime, my decision not to
Speaker 2: testify was rooted in a familial trauma that goes beyond
Speaker 2: the immediate circumstances of Jay's crime. The defense attorney, of course,
Speaker 2: is like, yeah, yeah, you sound noble, but it's bullshit that, like,
Speaker 2: you know, you didn't just come up with this. You
Speaker 2: had time, you talked to the detective, you talked to
Speaker 2: the prosecutor, and now suddenly you have this little answer,
Speaker 2: and you know, we know what game he's playing. He
Speaker 2: has a job to do, but he's being aggressive and
Speaker 2: she is staying calm, and she's like, he did it,
Speaker 2: whether I talked to the lead detective or prosecutor or not.
Speaker 2: He brings up white guilt and that it shouldn't dictate
Speaker 2: if his client is guilty, and she says, I made
Speaker 2: a mistake. There are so many people in prison that
Speaker 2: don't deserve to be there, and she goes, but how
Speaker 2: do you? And he goes, how do you know Jay
Speaker 2: Watson is not one of them? And she screams, the
Speaker 2: one only thing I'm sure of is that your client
Speaker 2: raped me.
Speaker 3: And she screams and points at him.
Speaker 2: Jay has a lot of facial expressions and emotions and
Speaker 2: he looks deep into her eyes. Knock, knock to Careesy,
Speaker 2: it's mister Carter. The client changes mind. He wants a plea,
Speaker 2: and Creasy's like, well, I got your ass, Like why
Speaker 2: would I be open to a plea? He says, you
Speaker 2: can ask him yourself. So Jay walks in head hanging low.
Speaker 2: Creasy stands up to meet him. Jay walks up, still
Speaker 2: in court clothing and says, that girl, Natalie, I did
Speaker 2: what she said. She ain't lying. He really feels bad. Look,
Speaker 2: I wrote it again. This is such a good epiff.
Speaker 4: It's in the notes.
Speaker 3: It's in the notes. You love it. You love it.
Speaker 1: Lowest on IMDb, highest on Li's dB. I wrote in
Speaker 1: two compliments, two times. You were like, I can't get
Speaker 1: over how great this is. But I like this part. Listen,
Speaker 1: he goes. I took something something I can't give back.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be a robbery. But when I
Speaker 1: saw her.
Speaker 2: My whole life, nobody paid attention to anything I did,
Speaker 2: not at home, not at school. I always felt kind
Speaker 2: of invisible. Why would this be any different? What I
Speaker 2: did to Natalie changed her life forever. So I guess
Speaker 2: I finally learned my lesson just too late. I guess
Speaker 2: that's because you thought you would just get away with it.
Speaker 3: You did it. Is that the invisible part.
Speaker 1: No one pays attention to anything I do, so I
Speaker 1: can just do whatever I want, like rape someone I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. I guess, yeah, Well, Corisey says,
Speaker 1: it's never too late to learn. It might be well,
Speaker 1: he said, you'll do time, but not your whole life,
Speaker 1: and you still have life ahead of you. Taking responsibility
Speaker 1: is only the first step. He's you know, Crisey's gonna
Speaker 1: talk to Natalie and see. I'm sure they'll be fine
Speaker 1: with it. I hope he does less than ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you thinking.
Speaker 3: Ten? He's eighteen, he's eighteen. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's a deal, and I think Natalie wants
Speaker 2: to be involved in it.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the minimum is.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want like a rapist to not get the
Speaker 2: full minimum, but I wonder what this plea would be,
Speaker 2: and I wish they added it.
Speaker 3: But in my head, I'm like maybe ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Christi and Benson walk and talk. He says justice
Speaker 2: was done, and Benson goes today and then they talk
Speaker 2: about Maddie and then they head in the elevator. They
Speaker 2: sigh and that's dick wolf baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just feel like this is such a ham fisted,
Speaker 1: like attempt at talking about racial inequalities in the justice system.
Speaker 1: Like we've done they've done it in I don't know
Speaker 1: about better ways, but like more like we've covered other
Speaker 1: episodes where it's like that have more clearly illustrated the
Speaker 1: bias and an NYPD and how people get falsely accused
Speaker 1: and the full like the Simple Shepherd episode, which we
Speaker 1: haven't done yet, Like the Simple Shepherd episode that was
Speaker 1: based on Trevon Martin, you know, like they've done other episodes.
Speaker 3: We haven't covered that one yet, so.
Speaker 1: I can't remember how well they handle that, But this
Speaker 1: one just seems like it Also, it doesn't that feel
Speaker 1: a little bit white savior to you too, a little
Speaker 1: bit that these ladies are like maybe we just like
Speaker 1: won't help with the investigation at all because we're such
Speaker 1: good people and we'll just like let this person possibly
Speaker 1: do this to another person, you know, like regardless of
Speaker 1: like the trauma that this kid has gone through. He
Speaker 1: went he was in the middle in the commission of
Speaker 1: another crime, he saw a woman standing there in a
Speaker 1: bathing suit, helpless and decided to attack her.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Also, if you're in a bathing suit in a dressing
Speaker 1: room and you hear fucking smash and grab happing outside,
Speaker 1: in what world are you just like not hiding in
Speaker 1: a corner, and like why would you come out and
Speaker 1: be like, wow, a robbery, Like why why would she
Speaker 1: have even come out like that?
Speaker 2: Seemed crazy? But I don't want to victim blame no,
Speaker 2: But it's just the thing of being frozen, you know.
Speaker 2: It's like one of the responses to trauma. And she
Speaker 2: didn't know what to do. But I would have hoped
Speaker 2: that I wouldn't leave. But if they entered in, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's like, well, it's also a cultural thing.
Speaker 2: You know, Black people run, White people say what's going on? Oh,
Speaker 2: kind of the stereotype.
Speaker 1: Well there is like fight or flight things also like
Speaker 1: what like people are just different. Also, like my sister
Speaker 1: and I one time saw this guy, a huge group
Speaker 1: of people gathered around a guy fighting with a homeless person,
Speaker 1: and I got involved and my sister was down the block.
Speaker 1: Like by the time I even looked looked up, like
Speaker 1: I was like.
Speaker 3: What are you doing? Leave him alone?
Speaker 1: And my sister was like at Dwayne read she was
Speaker 1: like she just like is like I'm not here for that,
Speaker 1: Like she cannot be in confrontation, you know. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I hear what you're saying, Like it
Speaker 1: is culturally different in a lot of ways too. But
Speaker 1: if I'm in a bathing suit, I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: at least getting out of the bathing suit if I
Speaker 1: hear the glass smashing.
Speaker 3: But a wild recap.
Speaker 1: Thank you for taking us through it and it being
Speaker 1: your favorite episode. I mean, I think honestly, I can't
Speaker 1: wait to see what episode on SATs this one because
Speaker 1: it's the number one three.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But it's funny because Intimidation Game was that yeah, was
Speaker 2: at four point six. Whoa and then Truth Embargo is
Speaker 2: at four point four out of ten.
Speaker 3: Wow are the ratings.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the crime portion of the program. There
Speaker 1: is not like an exact crime like this, like like this,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about smashing grabs, but like there was
Speaker 1: not a sexual assault that happened during one that is
Speaker 1: that has been reported. So yeah, and I will say
Speaker 1: this is all so the first time I've used a
Speaker 1: Deadline article as a source in when I've.
Speaker 3: Been doing my work. But this episode is based.
Speaker 1: On the trend of flash robberies or flash robs they're
Speaker 1: calling them, that rocked Southern California in the summer of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three aka flash mob Summer as one of
Speaker 1: the one of the articles I read called it. Group
Speaker 1: robberies have like always been an issue in southern California,
Speaker 1: and most of the time it's like high school teen
Speaker 1: boys like swarming a convenience store and like grabbing a
Speaker 1: bunch of shit at seven eleven. You know, like that's
Speaker 1: mostly what the cops have been dealing with.
Speaker 2: I know, in my head, it seemed like, especially in Chicago,
Speaker 2: it seemed like all the Blue Lives Matter, like conservative
Speaker 2: type people were all like the smash and grubs, you know,
Speaker 2: it seemed like not a maybe it was happening, but
Speaker 2: not as much. And then they just had all these
Speaker 2: cops swarm downtown Chicago and all these stores and like,
Speaker 2: so to me, I was hearing about it, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't like it.
Speaker 1: Was absolutely politicized. Okay, you're correct, it was absolutely politicized,
Speaker 1: and I will get into that.
Speaker 3: But I thought the same thing.
Speaker 1: I went, these aren't really happening, and they were happening
Speaker 1: in the city I lived in, so there I remember
Speaker 1: hearing about these and thinking, but hearing specifically people say, oh,
Speaker 1: the right is elevating these like they do that illegal
Speaker 1: immigrants are killing people all the time, when it's actually
Speaker 1: many like the majority of murders are committed by American citizens,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like this was like another
Speaker 1: little passion issue for the right to be like the
Speaker 1: smash and grabs. But let me get into what was
Speaker 1: happening first and then we'll get into the politics of it.
Speaker 1: So the flash robs are much more coordinated and organized
Speaker 1: than these like seven eleventeen swarm things. Okay, So in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, the Nordstrom at the Tapanga Mall, the
Speaker 1: eve S Saint Laurent at the Americana and the Glendale
Speaker 1: which is my mall that I go to, and a
Speaker 1: pop up Gucci at South Coast Plaza were all targets.
Speaker 1: There were dozens of smash and grab robberies like this
Speaker 1: that took place where basically a group of thieves ten
Speaker 1: to forty people would enter the store, faces covered usually
Speaker 1: all black, and then grab a ton of expensive items
Speaker 1: and bolt and like.
Speaker 3: The goal was obviously to overwhelm.
Speaker 1: Security and then they would sell the items online or
Speaker 1: fence them. And now employees are trained really not to
Speaker 1: engage or stop the robberies. I also heard something recently
Speaker 1: which I don't know if it's true or not. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've heard this that if you steal
Speaker 1: something anything in like a Target, a Walmart, a big
Speaker 1: box store that's under seven hundred dollars, like security is
Speaker 1: not going to fuck with you, like they're just they've
Speaker 1: been told to like not engage and get like and
Speaker 1: have altercations happen because it's just built into what the
Speaker 1: big box stores are like losing.
Speaker 3: Every year in there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I also heard that like it's illegal to confront, not illegal,
Speaker 2: but a lot of us won't even confirm they won't
Speaker 2: confront people. Then you hear about people getting arrested and stuff,
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, you're supposed to just let people go
Speaker 2: because it's worse, I think, to accuse someone and then
Speaker 2: they haven't stolen something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like if someone goes in and gets
Speaker 1: like a four hundred dollars flat screen, can you just
Speaker 1: like walk out with that? Like I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: so like yeah, but this might also be bullshit, Like
Speaker 1: this one article I'm seeing now says it's actually nine
Speaker 1: to fifty. I said seven hundred dollars, like under seiling
Speaker 1: merchandise under nine to fifty is just a misdemeanor, and
Speaker 1: that there was also this thing called Prop. Forty seven
Speaker 1: that passed in California to reclassify felony thefts as misdemeanors,
Speaker 1: but it did not allow shoplifting and petty theft to
Speaker 1: go unprosecuted.
Speaker 3: But that I'm not really talking about prosecution.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like the stores basically telling their security
Speaker 1: people who often don't carry weapons or have really any
Speaker 1: kind of authority besides a vest that says security. I
Speaker 1: think they're mostly telling them don't don't go after like
Speaker 1: just leave it or whatever. So I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone has any firsthand experience that that
Speaker 1: if their job telling them that, let us know. So
Speaker 1: these thieves would be like in and out in minute,
Speaker 1: and they would use multiple getaway cars, so the police
Speaker 1: could never get there fast enough and they could never
Speaker 1: like follow the like the right car, or like know
Speaker 1: where they were going. A lot of the getaway cars
Speaker 1: were rented under fake names or something called cold plating.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was called when you put on
Speaker 1: like a stolen license plate. And we did have a
Speaker 1: license plate stolen off our car in twenty nineteen, and
Speaker 1: I went to the police and made a report about it.
Speaker 1: Because I was nervous that someone was going to use
Speaker 1: our license plate in a crime. So I was like
Speaker 1: I just need I like brought rosy in in a
Speaker 1: baby carrier. It was like I need to fill out
Speaker 1: a report about my missing license plate. So anyway, because
Speaker 1: they were having a hard time simply getting there on
Speaker 1: time and even chasing anyone, law enforcement ended up focusing
Speaker 1: more on cell phone tower pings and other tech tools
Speaker 1: to narrow down suspects. And the crazy thing about these
Speaker 1: crimes is that the perpetrators don't always know one another.
Speaker 1: It's truly kind of like a flash mob, like where
Speaker 1: they're like be here at this time, you know, on discord,
Speaker 1: yeah maybe yeah, Like maybe they're Discord. They're on like,
Speaker 1: they're probably on signal, they're on like encrypted apps maybe WhatsApp,
Speaker 1: like and they're communicating over social and seeing like you know,
Speaker 1: here's the plan. But they're not necessarily all childhood friends
Speaker 1: like the guys in this episode.
Speaker 3: As of early.
Speaker 1: December of twenty twenty three, police in LA were investigating
Speaker 1: as many as twenty one flash robs, as they called them,
Speaker 1: and plenty others were going on in neighboring counties. So
Speaker 1: this is just in La County, and there's plenty going
Speaker 1: on in other counties. The two biggest heights were at
Speaker 1: the maholes I visit the most, the Americana in Glendale
Speaker 1: on August eighth, where they stole three one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars of merchandise, and the Tapanga Mall in Canoga Park,
Speaker 1: where my accountant is on.
Speaker 2: They charge them all for that four hundred thousand or
Speaker 2: just what each of them is found with or do
Speaker 2: they not find anybody?
Speaker 3: I don't even know. I don't even know how much?
Speaker 1: Is that like how robberies are prosecuted based on the
Speaker 1: amount of money of something something's worth?
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I have no idea. I know,
Speaker 2: I act like I know stuff, and then I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure we have so many like lawyers and stuff,
Speaker 1: but I guess it's like, yeah, do you get the same.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's obviously petty theft a pack of.
Speaker 1: Gum, as we discussed, But then there's if I go
Speaker 1: into a mall and I steal fifty thousand dollars worth
Speaker 1: of purses or I steal two hundred thousand dollars worth
Speaker 1: of purses. Is there a difference based on the amount
Speaker 1: of money and like number of things. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like that's it's also yeah, it's like value is who
Speaker 1: fucking knows. So at the Tapanga Mall in Kenoka Park
Speaker 1: on August twelfth, it was one hundred k worth of merch.
Speaker 1: But because these crimes often take place at big, busy malls,
Speaker 1: there's also tons of video footage of them, which spreads
Speaker 1: on TikTok and Instagram.
Speaker 3: There's like lots of photos of these people.
Speaker 2: There's there's security cam, there's people that just like put
Speaker 2: up their.
Speaker 3: Phones and stuff.
Speaker 1: Again, nothing in the real life cases shows that the
Speaker 1: guys were ever like videotaping themselves. I don't think that
Speaker 1: they were trying to get social media famous like the
Speaker 1: guy in the episode. But I think they are literally
Speaker 1: just trying to sell the shit and make money. So
Speaker 1: on August seventeenth, in La of twenty twenty three, a
Speaker 1: task force was formed between the city and the county
Speaker 1: Law Enforcement twenty two full time officers from around LA
Speaker 1: County who could be resources of the local and county level,
Speaker 1: as well as California Highway Patrols retail theft Unit. We're
Speaker 1: all working together to try to find these guys now.
Speaker 1: The district attorney in Orange County, Todd Spitzer, which Orange
Speaker 1: County I guess in some recent election went blue, but
Speaker 1: I would say is mostly a more red area. Todd
Speaker 1: Spitzer tried to turn this political. He accused Karen Bass,
Speaker 1: the mayor of la and George Gascon, who is our
Speaker 1: district attorney, for being too soft on crime. And you know,
Speaker 1: Gascon just got voted out because of all the narratives
Speaker 1: that he's too soft on crime. Spitzer said he would
Speaker 1: quote thoroughly investigate and prosecute smash and grab to the
Speaker 1: fullest extents of the law, which apparently for him, included
Speaker 1: life sentences for six defendants used of holding customers and
Speaker 1: employees at gunpoint while stealing more than eighty seven thousand
Speaker 1: in jewelry from the Jewelry Exchange in Tustin in April
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, the year before this was all
Speaker 1: going on. So life sentence, A life sentence, is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I mean, that's where it's like again, like
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with liv It's like, sure, the
Speaker 1: guy has the laptop, let's not kill a teenager.
Speaker 3: He shouldn't have a laptop.
Speaker 1: I think it's different when we're talking about I don't
Speaker 1: want to kill a guy that's a rapist either, but
Speaker 1: I do want to prosecute a guy that's a rapist,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I don't want anyone
Speaker 1: to get murdered for Like that's why Jared and I
Speaker 1: always have this conversation where like, yeah, if someone enters
Speaker 1: our house to take our flat screen, it's like take it,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to defend for my property. I
Speaker 1: don't it's property, like I don't care, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: so help me carry it out, Yeah, like you yeah,
Speaker 1: I could get I'll get another one. If this is
Speaker 1: gonna make it faster, let me open up your trunk. So,
Speaker 1: two weeks after the formation of the task force, they
Speaker 1: had arrested fifteen people.
Speaker 3: Like that's the thing.
Speaker 1: These people always get caught, Like they always figure out
Speaker 1: who they are. Five suspects in the Eaves Sant Laurent
Speaker 1: case were arrested, according to Glendale Police, and some of
Speaker 1: the robbers, Like when you look at some of the robberies,
Speaker 1: some of the robbers just like literally have their sweatshirts
Speaker 1: pulled up over their mouths, like they're not even they
Speaker 1: didn't even invest in a mask when they came to
Speaker 1: this thing. So it's like they're these these are not
Speaker 1: always like mastermind criminals, you know. And I do kind
Speaker 1: of think there's a reason people are risking their lot,
Speaker 1: like their freedom to do this. Guy, Like people are desperate,
Speaker 1: you know, like for to do these kind of robberies,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: And even though enough.
Speaker 1: Of these, okay, So my thing is even after enough
Speaker 1: of these happened that SVU had time to script, make
Speaker 1: and release an episode about it. This episode came out
Speaker 1: in January of twenty twenty four. In October of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, ten months later, there's another huge one at
Speaker 1: the Westfield to Panga Mall in Kunoga Park, where there
Speaker 1: has already been a heist in the summer of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, twelve suspects hit two retailers, stealing about nine
Speaker 1: hundred thousand worth of stuff, and six people for adults
Speaker 1: and two juveniles were arrested in connection with the robbery,
Speaker 1: and the articles I read they were still looking for
Speaker 1: the other six. The four adults were twenty six, twenty two, nineteen,
Speaker 1: and eighteen, so the two others were literally probably sixteen
Speaker 1: and ste like kids, and according to this is just
Speaker 1: a little bit of statistic about the national you know,
Speaker 1: the National Retail Security Survey says that shoplifting, theft, and
Speaker 1: organized retail crime cost businesses ninety four and a half
Speaker 1: billion dollars nationwide in twenty twenty one, and that organized
Speaker 1: retail crime such as flash robberies account for about half
Speaker 1: of that, So you know, that's forty seven billion dollars.
Speaker 1: Retailers are upping their tech solutions.
Speaker 4: They're getting better.
Speaker 1: Video surveillance systems, facial recognition cameras, license plate readers, radio
Speaker 1: frequency identification tags, case locks, and they're also training their
Speaker 1: staff and doing increased security. But they're also pushing legislation
Speaker 1: to make increase theft penalties and making sharing information against
Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies easier. Like I I don't care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I really don't. I'm like, I wouldn't even increase
Speaker 1: the theft penalties. You're always catching them, and there's honestly,
Speaker 1: I yes, I don't want anyone to be held by gunpoint,
Speaker 1: but in almost all of these cases, I don't see
Speaker 1: any physical crime, Like I don't think anyone's being hurt
Speaker 1: physically psychologically. Of course, it's scary to be there when
Speaker 1: people are holding guns and robbing a store, of course,
Speaker 1: but like they're not shooting people, they're not trying to
Speaker 1: kill people. They're literally just trying to grab shit and
Speaker 1: go wow.
Speaker 2: And I don't care about business money because at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, these businesses aren't spending money in
Speaker 2: the way I like it. They're not like giving maternity
Speaker 2: leave to people. They're not paying for people's health insurance.
Speaker 2: They're not there's no there's no benefits. So it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't care if you lose a ninety something million dollars,
Speaker 2: Why the fuck would I care?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Walmart has like doesn't pay enough to or
Speaker 1: it has like the most employees on food stamps and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and government assistant because they don't give
Speaker 1: them benefits.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and I'm supposed to care that you're that
Speaker 2: people are stealing from you.
Speaker 3: They do. They do deserve to steal from you.
Speaker 2: And if maybe you guys weren't all so fucking evil,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't want to steal from you. Maybe if everyone
Speaker 2: had an affordable way to live, you know, but go
Speaker 2: fuck yourself. Yeah, happy, I told you, little Esther gave
Speaker 2: me a fake Louis Vuitton Marikami.
Speaker 1: I've been seeing that in the pictures and I wasn't
Speaker 1: sure if it was real or not, and I didn't
Speaker 1: get a chance to act.
Speaker 2: But it's a really good fake. I basically walked into
Speaker 2: I can't wait and tell you this. So like I
Speaker 2: went to go meet her baby and I walk in
Speaker 2: and it's hanging right at the door. You know, I've
Speaker 2: been talking about this Marikami forever. And I go, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I can't believe you fucking have I mean,
Speaker 2: we went to high school together, we have like the
Speaker 2: same stock, like we both like our tiffany, we like
Speaker 2: our hugs, like we're very that. And so I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe it. And she goes, that's been waiting
Speaker 2: for you. She goes, I've been wanting to give this
Speaker 2: to you. And I go, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 2: And she goes, it's fake. I go, I don't care,
Speaker 2: and it's given me so much joy, Like I it's
Speaker 2: the pattern. I like, like, I really don't and I'm
Speaker 2: glad I didn't spend three thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: It's almost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I love telling comics who have no idea
Speaker 2: about this I'm like they're Olivia Benson where they're like, well,
Speaker 2: how much is the real one?
Speaker 3: I go three thousand dollars. They're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I go.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So our friend Jared, he's a pro.
Speaker 2: He said that like the zipper extension is white on mine,
Speaker 2: and the real one it's beige, and the bottom might
Speaker 2: be different, but like, I don't think anyone cares. And
Speaker 2: I've been getting compliments everywhere and it makes me feel alive,
Speaker 2: Like I just love having.
Speaker 3: It so much. I don't know why I brought it up.
Speaker 3: Oh because I'm aunt. I love. Yeah, so a thing that.
Speaker 2: Like like they're basically flying in sweatshop employees to Paris
Speaker 2: and so they could still write that it's made in France,
Speaker 2: but they are still they're using like bad labor, like
Speaker 2: still treating people like shit and that like they've been
Speaker 2: doing tests and the material, like obviously there's an up
Speaker 2: church for the brand, but you expect some sort of
Speaker 2: like I went to the store Selene and was looking
Speaker 2: at their bags and it was like really really beautifully
Speaker 2: made and like cool, but I don't know, like fuck consumerism,
Speaker 2: fuck luxury. I'm glad I didn't spend thousands but I
Speaker 2: do love the way it looks. Yeah, and I'm like
Speaker 2: skipping around down. I've been wearing it every day every time,
Speaker 2: and then you paid nothing for it. That's the best.
Speaker 2: But yeah, hearing about how it's not actually good quality
Speaker 2: and the quality has gone down, and just watching white
Speaker 2: Lotus and the government, well, because I guess there's like
Speaker 2: a video of some creator being like, uh, everyone I
Speaker 2: know is getting rid of their SOHO house memberships, Like
Speaker 2: what is going on? And the people are commenting, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what do you think is going on? I don't know
Speaker 2: what's going on. Huh. Maybe people don't have thousands of
Speaker 2: dollars to spend anymore on like a clubhouse, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 2: I've wanted this bag for forever, and truly I'm here
Speaker 2: to say having the fake one has given me the
Speaker 2: same amount of joy.
Speaker 3: I can't. I love that.
Speaker 2: And I don't feel as stressed because yeah, like I
Speaker 2: think because it's white, I would be very very stressed
Speaker 2: if it Israel.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, like if anything, like if any anything you use, like,
Speaker 1: if anything happens.
Speaker 2: To it, that's stressful. If it's worth that much money,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, you could buy a full you can
Speaker 2: truly for three thousand dollars goes to an inclusive resort
Speaker 2: in Mexico for what like a week?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, yeah for three you could do
Speaker 1: a lot with three thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you why I have multi carrot diamonds, Like I'm
Speaker 2: not buying a purse. Yeah, but God bless you if
Speaker 2: that's your thing and that makes you happy and it
Speaker 2: makes you feel excited. I did buy a necklace to
Speaker 2: go and watch What Happens live, like I get it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, no judgment if you have a y cel bag,
Speaker 2: they're beautiful. Well, anyway, recently, there hasn't been very much
Speaker 2: movement on the flash robbery scene, like that this big
Speaker 2: one from twenty twenty four in October, like which granted
Speaker 2: is like five months ago, six months.
Speaker 1: Ago, Like, uh, that's the last big one I'm reading
Speaker 1: about or that I'm seeing any information about. And I
Speaker 1: think it's probably because like words getting out that like
Speaker 1: everybody gets caught from these, like everybody gets arrested, so
Speaker 1: like this isn't really the thing to do.
Speaker 3: So I think as a trend it's going away.
Speaker 1: But I do think it was completely politicized by the
Speaker 1: right as like this is it's the Wild West.
Speaker 3: And because everybody wants to make all.
Speaker 1: Of the politicians and das who are trying to be
Speaker 1: more you know, acknowledging the biases in the government, in
Speaker 1: the in the justice system, they want to make them
Speaker 1: seem soft on crime and like, look what's happening smashing
Speaker 1: grabs and it's like okay, a bunch of persons, what missing?
Speaker 3: Or well, how does that affect you? Like how does it?
Speaker 3: Were you at the rock?
Speaker 2: Like well, yeah, I mean the classic they always show
Speaker 2: they care more about unless it's the capital, of course
Speaker 2: of the United States of America. They care about property
Speaker 2: over people, like they also like the you know, ah,
Speaker 2: the looting, but it's like they don't care that teens
Speaker 2: are getting shot by cops. It's like they just care
Speaker 2: about buildings so much, unless of course the capitol.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Even Like I remember when there was like there were
Speaker 1: like there was stuff going on downtown in LA and
Speaker 1: I had a friend with a bar in a restaurant
Speaker 1: and his bar got his restaurant got like fucked up,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: He was like it doesn't matter, Like I believe in
Speaker 1: this has caused like more and I have insurance like
Speaker 1: I'll be fine, you know, like it's stuff, Like that's stuff.
Speaker 1: But like the difference I think with this episode is
Speaker 1: just like that's a crime against someone that is going
Speaker 1: to affect them for the rest of their life, and
Speaker 1: we need to at the end.
Speaker 2: Of the day, we have to achnowledge the show is copaganda.
Speaker 2: And maybe they were trying to be like shut up,
Speaker 2: you fucking idiots du people that are like wait, and
Speaker 2: just like they wanted to make it seem like you're
Speaker 2: a crazy person if you are thinking about like what
Speaker 2: is gonna happen to a certain persons?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, but.
Speaker 2: It also bothers me and I get why rape back
Speaker 2: to this if they were the people that were mad, I.
Speaker 1: Think there's like so many women too that would like
Speaker 1: don't don't have the privilege to confront their accuser or
Speaker 1: have the like the justices and even take them seriously
Speaker 1: or have the chance to you know, I d them
Speaker 1: and point them out on the stand that it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna not do this because of like your
Speaker 1: brother in the pack of gum, Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think not only is that, I think the big issue.
Speaker 2: That's this is what I was trying to say, but
Speaker 2: like I lost the fucking words. Was the whole thing
Speaker 2: is you don't want to ruin a man's life or
Speaker 2: career this and that it's always like diminishing the lifelong
Speaker 2: trauma that usually happens from like assault and putting the
Speaker 2: thing on Like even if it's a young black team,
Speaker 2: like why you know what I mean, Like they have
Speaker 2: an unfair shake in the justice system, But why would
Speaker 2: his future be more valuable than your rape? Yeah, like
Speaker 2: and your stand wise, he's going to affect your future. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like that's where I can see why people would be
Speaker 2: really like upset by this episode. Yeah, because I think
Speaker 2: it's a natural thing. And I think that's why people
Speaker 2: like if they get groped or it's just this or
Speaker 2: that was just my friend. But I guess I was
Speaker 2: drunk too, Like I think most women are always trying
Speaker 2: to like diminish what actually happened, right and like talk
Speaker 2: themselves out. And because we are meant to care about
Speaker 2: these rapists, right and because they have kids or because
Speaker 2: of their job, you know, so.
Speaker 1: You know, I get maybe I guess it's like what
Speaker 1: is it? Oh, he's a father, he's married, Oh, he's
Speaker 1: a young guy. It's like, there's always a reason why
Speaker 1: you're ruining someone's life.
Speaker 3: But they committed a crime.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I will say in my research, I found
Speaker 1: that this past October in La so past the date
Speaker 1: of this episode. But there was one of those convenience
Speaker 1: store flash robberies that was a bunch of teens and
Speaker 1: a bunch of their parents saw them in the footage
Speaker 1: and turn their asses in, which I thought was really funny,
Speaker 1: like all these parents were like, oh no, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna rob a convenience store and get away with it,
Speaker 1: like you're taking accountability.
Speaker 3: So they turned them in.
Speaker 1: So but that's that on Smash and Grabs, And I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to hear that there's not an actual mirrored
Speaker 1: case to this, but yeah, I feel like the show
Speaker 1: was definitely running with like the hot button topic of
Speaker 1: the moment, which at the end of two thousand and
Speaker 1: three was fucking flash robs or whatever.
Speaker 2: I thank you for two thousand and three, which is lol.
Speaker 2: Two just now yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, twenty twenty three a break in the
Speaker 1: The only thing smashing in two thousand and three was
Speaker 1: smash Mouth everybody A twenty twenty three was Smash Robs
Speaker 1: and maybe Smash Brothers.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, what's Smash Brothers. I'm Mario or Maria.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about with that last game I played was basically
Speaker 1: duck Hunt. Okay, god, Oh, we know we're not We
Speaker 1: have a guess. We have a guess. Stay tuned, all right.
Speaker 1: Our guest today is an actor who you've seen on
Speaker 1: shows like FBI Most Wanted and Elsbeth, one of Lisa's faves,
Speaker 1: and you know her best from SVU as the victims
Speaker 1: annoyed girlfriend Brooke Jaffett. Please enjoy our convo with a
Speaker 1: very delightful Keely Miller. So, for our listeners, you and
Speaker 1: our producer Casey are old friends.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: How do guys know each other?
Speaker 4: We technically I don't know if we overlapped in undergrad.
Speaker 4: But my best friend Kristin O'Brien from undergrad, we did
Speaker 4: theater together. She had two older brothers who were in
Speaker 4: the film department, and they were friends with Casey like
Speaker 4: best friends, like their family. So we would all spend
Speaker 4: like holidays at the O'Briens, and I think we met
Speaker 4: there and then we ended up almost all of us
Speaker 4: ended up working for the same restaurant company in La
Speaker 4: called Jealina. Oh yeah, famous, and so we all, yes,
Speaker 4: we all did our little venice time. And then Casey
Speaker 4: started including us in films that he was making, and honestly,
Speaker 4: it was the greatest honor of my life.
Speaker 3: That's so cool. Yay, well, we love Casey. Wow. From
Speaker 3: Jack of All to California yep.
Speaker 4: And now New York?
Speaker 3: Did you know Call No Show? What were you up to?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: I was never at No Call No Show. I took
Speaker 4: it way too serious.
Speaker 1: Server Cardinal Sin, Well, let's talk about your star turn
Speaker 1: on the episode Truth Embarbo Truth Bason twenty five. So
Speaker 1: this is a very recent You just did this like
Speaker 1: a year's or a year and a half ago or
Speaker 1: so I was saying about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like December, I think of twenty twenty three. Uh,
Speaker 4: it was crazy. I think I got it, like right.
Speaker 4: My little sister helped me audition for it, like at
Speaker 4: like eleven pm over zoom on like Thanksgiving or something.
Speaker 4: And then you find out like two weeks later you
Speaker 4: know got it, and then you're shooting and it was
Speaker 4: the middle of winter. I had one hundred and two
Speaker 4: degree fever on the first day that I had to
Speaker 4: go shoot, and I like took a COVID test, so
Speaker 4: I was like, I know, I don't have COVID, but
Speaker 4: I you know, I'm I'm It's the beginning of my career.
Speaker 4: So I was like, can I possibly get a car
Speaker 4: to set? I'm really sick, And they were like, my
Speaker 4: reps are like, don't tell anyone, don't tell anyone that
Speaker 4: you're that sick, and just can you get there? I
Speaker 4: was like sure, you know, so you're like taking the
Speaker 4: train in the middle of winter, like all your stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm like And then thankfully, the first day I shot
Speaker 4: was all courtroom scenes and I didn't take the stand,
Speaker 4: so I was just sitting there reacting. Next I think
Speaker 4: my first scene was Kevin Kane was sitting next to me,
Speaker 4: and I was like sweating bullets, like I was just
Speaker 4: like wet, like just like come and like in the
Speaker 4: all the wrong ways, like just like just like sweating
Speaker 4: profusely and trying to be friendly at the same time,
Speaker 4: you know, it's like your first day and I'm like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, but he kept playing into the character she's
Speaker 1: you know, had a familial trauma that's happened with her wife.
Speaker 2: So you're just upset and sweating. Did you end up
Speaker 2: chatting or mostly sweating?
Speaker 4: Tried to do both at the same time. Yeah, we
Speaker 4: ended up chatting a little. Everyone was really friendly and
Speaker 4: then and then the next scene I had Murshika next
Speaker 4: to me, and that was, you know, nerve wracking in
Speaker 4: and of itself and just trying to be friendly and
Speaker 4: chatting and sweating and oh.
Speaker 3: My god, what a tough day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so bizarre. And then it got better
Speaker 4: as the week went on, because I started feeling better.
Speaker 4: But I think there's kind of a weird thing that happens,
Speaker 4: like when you're that sick, you can't really think about
Speaker 4: the acting, like if you're any good or not. So
Speaker 4: I probably did the better work on the days that
Speaker 4: I was really sick, and and as I got better,
Speaker 4: I was like, my work is getting worse. So, you know,
Speaker 4: you just get into your head in a way.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you are like this hot young couple. What's
Speaker 1: you and your on screen wife get along?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What, how were you guys married already or engaged? No,
Speaker 1: we were engaged engaged.
Speaker 3: She was buying a bathing Suitingney.
Speaker 4: Was buying a bathing honeymoon. Yes, yes, no. She was
Speaker 4: absolutely lovely and just a pro and and very friendly in.
Speaker 1: Your apartment, gorgeous as was well off killing it.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh I didn't. I mean, that's the
Speaker 4: funny thing is, like you there's not a lot of
Speaker 4: like chit chat of like collaborate. You know.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 4: It's a machine. So you like show up and you're
Speaker 4: like they've made decisions about your character and you go
Speaker 4: with them. And we walked in on that day it
Speaker 4: was like in Gramercy Park and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: we're rich, like we do very well, Like, okay, this
Speaker 4: is amazing.
Speaker 3: Right now? Are you indeed? Casey said you're in DC.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm in DC.
Speaker 3: Will you tell us about scenarios?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yes I will. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: It's a world premiere play by Matthew Koppo Di Casa Who,
Speaker 4: and it's about the I still yet to find a
Speaker 4: sustaining twin describe this. But the police do crisis intervention trainings,
Speaker 4: and so it follows the kind of craziness that happens
Speaker 4: in police intervention trainings and the resistance and they bring
Speaker 4: in like actors to do it. So it's it's billed
Speaker 4: as a comedy, but it's also, you know, pretty intense
Speaker 4: in terms of the subject matter.
Speaker 1: Wait, this is crazy. My husband knows him. Wait what
Speaker 1: my husband knows Matthew Kappo de Casa. He does like
Speaker 1: glass Cannon stuff like role playing games with this. Now
Speaker 1: we're called glass Canon Podcast. Yeah, And I was like,
Speaker 1: how do I know that name? Like that's like a
Speaker 1: not a normal like a common name. And I just
Speaker 1: googled it and was like, oh, glass Canon.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wait, that's why funny the world is tiny? How long
Speaker 1: is that running in DC four till April sixth? All right,
Speaker 1: so as when this episode comes out, people.
Speaker 2: Will still have time an eight show a week schedule
Speaker 2: or what's it like? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, h shows a week.
Speaker 1: This episode comes out five days before you close, so
Speaker 1: everybody go see it.
Speaker 4: Everybody comes to the scenarios at Studio Theater. You got
Speaker 4: five days.
Speaker 2: You're actually in a one of my favorite shows, El Smith.
Speaker 2: I am a weekly viewer of El Smith. I feel
Speaker 2: you Yeah, I feel like I finally have aged because
Speaker 2: I'm watching a CBS show.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: What.
Speaker 3: I like?
Speaker 4: It really does hit a certain age demographic, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: That's that's true. What do you love about Elsbeth?
Speaker 3: Because oh, I'll tell you so.
Speaker 2: I like that it's like crime, but that it's like
Speaker 2: like you know what you like, you know that she'll
Speaker 2: figure it out, and it's like kind of a little kooky,
Speaker 2: and the guests actors are all so good and the
Speaker 2: scenarios are fun, but you're not really stressed because you
Speaker 2: actually know what happened and you know she's gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: solve it. And then this season, who's the guy from Evil?
Speaker 2: She's married to Michael Emerson. Oh, yes, so he is
Speaker 2: now this long arc story and it's kind of like
Speaker 2: suspenseful as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he came in right and after he was there,
Speaker 4: I met him, like he was kind of coming on
Speaker 4: set to like check things out. So I think that
Speaker 4: that was like maybe in the works or something right
Speaker 4: before I left, And he was so friendly and lovely.
Speaker 4: And Carrie is just incredible and like a comedic genius. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she's she's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's just so likable.
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of also in the Secret to Elsbeth
Speaker 1: because like there's a couple of other shows that are
Speaker 1: kind of doing the Colombo thing, you know, and yeah,
Speaker 1: hers is.
Speaker 3: Like feels like people are really attached to it. I
Speaker 3: feel like it's her.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only thing that annoys me is every week there's
Speaker 2: a new adversary who doesn't believe in her, but she
Speaker 2: has solved every case every week, so it's like, even
Speaker 2: if you don't like her, I guess she's doing a
Speaker 2: good job. So I'm like, why does everyone keep fighting her?
Speaker 2: Doesn't make sense. It's the patriarchy. She doesn't sing it,
Speaker 2: but you're We're there with Pamela Adlin, who I'm my.
Speaker 4: Fan of me too, and she, yeah, she was incredible.
Speaker 4: We had it was one of those episode and Laura
Speaker 4: ban Anti and Jack Davenport. It was wild because we
Speaker 4: had so much downtime together and like, I feel like this,
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm very early career, so but I've heard
Speaker 4: this doesn't really happen in more as often, where everyone
Speaker 4: kind of like goes to their own trailers or kind
Speaker 4: of like does their own thing in between. But because
Speaker 4: we were shooting in this restaurant, they had us all
Speaker 4: held in the same like other section of the restaurant together,
Speaker 4: and so we became this kind of like I don't know,
Speaker 4: Motley Crue of different like time like timelines in our
Speaker 4: careers and Jack Dave Import and Pamela Adlon were just
Speaker 4: like going back and forth sharing all their stories. You know,
Speaker 4: they were like, you know this in the straight kind
Speaker 4: of like, and us young actors were like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: like tell us everything, and they really took us under
Speaker 4: their wing and they were hilarious and incredible. And Pamela
Speaker 4: is just a hoot and so funny and so welcoming.
Speaker 4: You know, she like knew everyone's names on set like
Speaker 4: and just was just a hilarious time. And she there
Speaker 4: was like something she she kept calling Carrie Preston the
Speaker 4: Daniel d Lewis of of comedy, and it was just
Speaker 4: really like method like method, no, yeah, not method, but
Speaker 4: like just just top tier. She was like, this is
Speaker 4: the my.
Speaker 1: Left foot, Like okay, it was really it was really rich.
Speaker 4: It's really good.
Speaker 1: That's great. Back to your SVU. You got to face
Speaker 1: off with Iced Tea a little bit too. You like
Speaker 1: sass him and he goes, I'm sorry, Like you know,
Speaker 1: we just like never hear him go I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I don't even remember that.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm so glad you wrote that down.
Speaker 2: I kind of laughed when he said that it is
Speaker 2: a powerful moment because we just we love that, yeah,
Speaker 2: where he stands on what else? I mean?
Speaker 1: Did you have any little funny run ins after you've
Speaker 1: started feeling better.
Speaker 4: After the fever? No, it was just such an interesting
Speaker 4: episode to watch because they were still tinkering with the
Speaker 4: script like on on set as they do, but like
Speaker 4: there were just some things that I you know, I
Speaker 4: think that they were trying to figure out how to
Speaker 4: how to make the story work. And the director was
Speaker 4: actually I found out he directed the pilot episode of SVU,
Speaker 4: so him and Marishka like knew each other from way back,
Speaker 4: and which was insane.
Speaker 3: That is wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was like, oh, we're we got some svo
Speaker 4: history here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we love to hear that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, isn't that fun? And then the scenes with
Speaker 4: Marishka like were you know, I She's amazing and she's
Speaker 4: incredible at like just she can be talking to somebody
Speaker 4: or like on the phone and then drop right in
Speaker 4: and like a second and like oh whoa, Like it's incredible.
Speaker 4: And I was doing a couple of takes in the
Speaker 4: court room and at one point she because she will
Speaker 4: jump in a couple of times, like with the actors
Speaker 4: to kind of play with them. And she was like,
Speaker 4: I think, let's let's try one where you just really
Speaker 4: give it to me, just lay into me.
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, okay.
Speaker 4: She's like, yeah, let's let's have you like maybe start
Speaker 4: to walk away and then take a beat and then
Speaker 4: whip around and just give it to me.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yay.
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, sure. Uh So that was that
Speaker 4: was a little nerve wracking, you know, because she's she's
Speaker 4: such a force and and it's her show, you know,
Speaker 4: so you're like, I'm here for the week and I
Speaker 4: don't want to you turn around and just give it
Speaker 4: to her.
Speaker 3: And she was like, that's we got it. Okay, that's
Speaker 3: so exciting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The director of that episode was Jean de segone Zac,
Speaker 1: the one who we just talkedalked about these at resent.
Speaker 2: I know, but I was thinking, when I say his name,
Speaker 2: but who are we talking about that with?
Speaker 3: Was it Donell or David Keith? And what was it?
Speaker 3: I don't remember when we were just talking about him.
Speaker 2: Right now, he's done fifty five episodes of the show,
Speaker 2: fifty he's directed fifty five episodes of US and someone
Speaker 2: just had a story about him and truly, I don't
Speaker 2: retain any information, like I guess, but he does.
Speaker 1: I FBI most wanted you what you've been on? Right,
Speaker 1: Like he's been like he does all the Dick Wolf stuff.
Speaker 1: This time he did bloodline.
Speaker 4: Do he's a bloodline? A couple episodes?
Speaker 3: Episodes? What was your what? What's what's your plan? After DC?
Speaker 3: You're going to head back to New York.
Speaker 4: Go to head back to New York and hope for
Speaker 4: the best. You know, I'm it's it's still early career,
Speaker 4: so there's the moment where you know, you just don't
Speaker 4: know what's coming right next.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and but the good news is that on your
Speaker 1: IMDb one of the first photos that comes up underneath
Speaker 1: like is you and Marishka sitting on a bench together.
Speaker 3: And that's a pretty classic. That's pretty pretty cool.
Speaker 4: It very much felt like it's a it's very much
Speaker 4: a New York kind of moment, you know, like it's
Speaker 4: because it's been you know, obviously it's your podcast. Like
Speaker 4: every actor, it feels like, has done an episode of that.
Speaker 4: So it feels really kind of like as a right
Speaker 4: of passage.
Speaker 2: That's what I's a huge deal. Wait, what is this
Speaker 2: foot now that I'm on your IMDb on these photos?
Speaker 2: What's this mother's instinct?
Speaker 3: This hat? These polka dots? What is this? Oh?
Speaker 4: That was a film I did with Anne Hathaway and
Speaker 4: Jessica Chestain where they are like, it's kind of like
Speaker 4: in this style of you know what happened to Baby Jane,
Speaker 4: They're like, it's a psychological thriller with these two mothers,
Speaker 4: and it was a wild I'm a couple of a
Speaker 4: couple of great times with Anne Hathaway and yes, a
Speaker 4: little while ago with her it was.
Speaker 3: The best as our generator princess.
Speaker 4: She really is, And it took everything and me not
Speaker 4: to first just blurt out like I love you and
Speaker 4: the Princess Diaries, like okay not and like I love
Speaker 4: you know, and then I was like, you can't say
Speaker 4: Princess Diaries as the first thing. It's just gonna feel embarrassing.
Speaker 4: But yeah, she was lovely and we gone along great
Speaker 4: and super welcoming. We like chatted all things, you know,
Speaker 4: nerdy actor stuff like vocal technique because she had just
Speaker 4: finished doing what was the name of the show that
Speaker 4: she did with Jared Leto.
Speaker 3: Oh the one about like was that the we work
Speaker 3: one that they did.
Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, yes, yes, And she had just finished doing that,
Speaker 4: so we were talking about like how she changed her
Speaker 4: voice for that. We talked about vocal technique and school
Speaker 4: and whatnot, and the highlight of my life might have
Speaker 4: been after we like finished the day and we had
Speaker 4: been kind of chatting on and off, and she was
Speaker 4: very welcoming and engaging, and at the end she was like,
Speaker 4: can I take your phone number so that we can
Speaker 4: like chat all things, you know, vocal stuff in the
Speaker 4: future or whatever. And I, you know, was like beside
Speaker 4: my and she was like, I don't keep my phone
Speaker 4: on me, so my security lady is going to take
Speaker 4: it in her phone, but you know, we'll take and
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, totally, you know. And after I left,
Speaker 4: I was like, what just happened? Right, Like, Anne Hathaway
Speaker 4: has my phone number, but she never you know, and
Speaker 4: she never reached out, and I, you know, so the
Speaker 4: story kind of is anti climactic in that way, because
Speaker 4: when I would tell anyone, they're like, oh, my gosh,
Speaker 4: you know did and I was like, no, no, she has
Speaker 4: my phone and I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't have a way of getting in touch with her.
Speaker 4: I can't get in contact with her. But it was
Speaker 4: it was a good time and the period costumes were
Speaker 4: incredible and super fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like a really cool show. It looks beautiful.
Speaker 4: It was stunning and it was in sixties so and
Speaker 4: I was pregnant, so there was like heavy silicon belly
Speaker 4: that I had to wear in the middle of summer.
Speaker 4: It was It's a good.
Speaker 3: Time, Killie. This was so fun to chat with you.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Definitely we'll send our DC girls and guys to go
Speaker 1: see scenario.
Speaker 4: I would love it and I would love it. Yeah, thank
Speaker 4: you for having me.
Speaker 3: I liked that she was She was like, why do
Speaker 3: you like al Smith? She was cool. I loved I
Speaker 3: liked her so many stories.
Speaker 2: I just like the people that have the details, you know,
Speaker 2: like people that care about all this is much as
Speaker 2: we do. It's like nice to talk to people with
Speaker 2: the details.
Speaker 1: Yes, and our first guest that we got courtesy of Casey.
Speaker 1: So Casey, keep bringing us in your your contacts and
Speaker 1: your friends. Uh.
Speaker 3: But yeah, she was really cool and.
Speaker 2: And a wild episode. Yeah, slash best of all time.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so like, now I'm on alert, Like
Speaker 1: you guys have to let us know if anything drops
Speaker 1: below this episode on IMDb, not like IMDb is suddenly
Speaker 1: like the Rotten Tomatoes. But I guess for TV shows,
Speaker 1: that's the closest you can get to like rating something
Speaker 1: per episode is the IMDb. So yeah, definitely let us
Speaker 1: know if anything drops. But yes, truth embargo has dethroned
Speaker 1: intimidation game and I was so happy that we've been
Speaker 1: able to cover both of these classics insta classics. But yeah,
Speaker 1: in terms of a post mortem smash and grab robberies,
Speaker 1: I feel like we're a moment in time.
Speaker 3: They're not really happening that much anymore.
Speaker 1: And and people kind of found out that when you
Speaker 1: work with a lot of people there, you open yourselves
Speaker 1: up to way more mistakes and they're all you're you're
Speaker 1: all going to lead each other to each other.
Speaker 2: And everyone got busted, so you know, and the phones
Speaker 2: of it all. I mean, now with the phones, it's
Speaker 2: like planning travel. How many burner phones? What do you delete? Like,
Speaker 2: I wonder how quickly. I mean, we're already on a
Speaker 2: police A lot of people's citizens are non citizens, like
Speaker 2: people in this nation are dealing with.
Speaker 3: But I wonder how quick we all will be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm on signal. I'm on signal to
Speaker 1: order mushrooms for my mushroom lady. And I hope I
Speaker 1: don't get invited into a full war plan at any point.
Speaker 3: You know, that would be wild. H Have they even
Speaker 3: said why he got acted?
Speaker 2: So they're denying it. They're saying it didn't happen. He
Speaker 2: has screenshots, you guys. Yeah, but they're just like, no,
Speaker 2: I didn't do that. What are you talking about? That
Speaker 2: didn't happen. Oh I thought somebody. I thought they said
Speaker 2: it was confirmed at one point, but of course it's confirmed.
Speaker 2: Of course it's confirmed. But like that's somebody on their side.
Speaker 1: But it's like like at least it's like, oh, we
Speaker 1: were trying to add in so and so, but we
Speaker 1: added in the thing that the.
Speaker 3: Know this, you know, that's what fu But it's.
Speaker 1: Also funny that it's the Atlantic because he hates the Atlantic.
Speaker 1: He hates the Atlantic more than like any publication. And
Speaker 1: so it's so funny that it's that one that they
Speaker 1: added in.
Speaker 2: Like saw two separate things where like this is all
Speaker 2: just online stuff where one person I saw, I was like, well,
Speaker 2: why did you wait a whole week at Like you
Speaker 2: had to wait till they bombed ym into fucking post
Speaker 2: about it and then someone else goes I would have
Speaker 2: stayed in that group chat for a year or like months,
Speaker 2: like see what happens. So yeah, you know, just two
Speaker 2: sides of whatever. But however it happened. This is like insane.
Speaker 2: The fact that they're not like, but he's the head
Speaker 2: of the defense and they're in charge of all the
Speaker 2: like the fact that he's not in jail for espionage
Speaker 2: and like whatever other charges and in jail for life
Speaker 2: is insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: To go back to me on stage, and it's like
Speaker 2: I told the people, I'm like, well, we have freedom
Speaker 2: seat for now.
Speaker 3: For now.
Speaker 2: I could say whatever the fuck I want and I
Speaker 2: go and I've made you laugh enough and at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, if you were cool, you could
Speaker 2: be up here too. But I get to do whatever
Speaker 2: the fuck I want because I don't think it's gonna.
Speaker 3: Be for long. Yeah, I really don't.
Speaker 2: I bet in like within six months, someone could complain
Speaker 2: that sees me and I could be like fucking taken,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know I mean, I really do if
Speaker 2: people are being sent away and their phones are being
Speaker 2: searched at the borders, like I don't. Yeah, they just
Speaker 2: they're they're they're holding a college student who's been living
Speaker 2: here since she was seven because they found her test.
Speaker 1: I heard they were like looking for her. Oh I
Speaker 1: thought she was detained. But fucking it's scary out there.
Speaker 1: But uh, California, Oregon, and Washington have been invited to
Speaker 1: join Canada though, and I think we should accept. Wait
Speaker 1: for real, some the I think the new Prime Minister
Speaker 1: said something like, yeah, California, Washington, Oregon, why don't you
Speaker 1: guys come up and join us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Oregon and Washington. But the thing is, all
Speaker 2: of our cities are like all those states are hillbillies
Speaker 2: around the city.
Speaker 3: There's plenty. Yeah, in California, it's all right.
Speaker 1: We drive two hours outside of LA it's Trump flags
Speaker 1: anywhere everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they showed how like the population of New
Speaker 2: Jersey is like all of the mountains all those like.
Speaker 3: Yeahana, Idaho.
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's nuts. We let it go too long.
Speaker 2: We didn't help black people fast enough. I mean, at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, our comforts let us like
Speaker 2: not give a fuck about minorities in this country, and
Speaker 2: now we're all gonna be treated and the way minorities
Speaker 2: have been and.
Speaker 3: We deserve it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly what the couple from this show was
Speaker 1: trying to get across, you know, that's exactly what the
Speaker 1: lesbians in this episode we're trying to get everyone to realize.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well because I get where they're coming from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's stupid. Yes, the way that it's framed
Speaker 1: is dumb.
Speaker 3: Is dumb.
Speaker 1: The other words, there's other ways it could have been done,
Speaker 1: and they've done it better in other ways, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like they've done this this like kind
Speaker 1: of thing better, they've done white guilt better. This one
Speaker 1: it's bad. But I was also just going to say
Speaker 1: to bring it right back to su really quick. I mean,
Speaker 1: never forget this is the the Hygienic Liner episode.
Speaker 3: I mean the Hygienic Liner.
Speaker 1: Never has there been a funnier Benson light bulb moment
Speaker 1: when she's like, I've got it, the hygienic Liner, Like
Speaker 1: I just usually it's like her knowing a brand, her
Speaker 1: knowing something about about something that maybe men don't know about.
Speaker 1: And this is like the top men. Do you even
Speaker 1: know about a hygienic liner? You cannot call yourself an
Speaker 1: ally until you do. And it solved the case. The
Speaker 1: hygienic liner solve the case. But anyway, let's move into
Speaker 1: what would Sister Peg do? This is our weekly segment
Speaker 1: where we direct you towards a book, an article, a organization,
Speaker 1: something to give you more information or let you help.
Speaker 1: Regarding what we talked about in today's episode this week,
Speaker 1: I kind of we were sort of talking about like
Speaker 1: the woman's reaction to the victim's reaction, like when she
Speaker 1: walks out and sees the flash mobers, and it was
Speaker 1: making and I think we also talked about this in
Speaker 1: last week's episode, the fight or Flight, And I found
Speaker 1: this article on simply psychology called fight, Flight, Freeze, or
Speaker 1: fawn How we respond to threats, And I just thought
Speaker 1: it was like an interesting article that identifies all these responses.
Speaker 1: And I think people forget a lot of times about fawn,
Speaker 1: like how you'll get overly like agreeing with your with
Speaker 1: your like the perpetrator and stuff, And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of psychology to like why you go into one of
Speaker 1: these modes. So this article goes in depth about why
Speaker 1: these responses get triggered, how to cope with them. So
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting, and that's at simplypsychology dot org.
Speaker 1: And that will be linked obviously in our show, and
Speaker 1: we'll be out in a story the day that this
Speaker 1: episode comes out, and then we save all of those
Speaker 1: stories in our WWSPD highlights on our Instagram. So if
Speaker 1: you're ever feeling like, oh, I've got a couple bucks
Speaker 1: and I want to give it to some organization, you
Speaker 1: can just page through our WWSPD highlights and see what
Speaker 1: you know, what you're drawn to, and thank.
Speaker 3: You for that.
Speaker 2: And yeah, because you always think you'll be ready, but
Speaker 2: you don't know how you're gonna act, and then you
Speaker 2: feel guilt and you shouldn't.
Speaker 3: Totally life is hard.
Speaker 2: Next week Exile, Season twenty, episode six. Join us. We're
Speaker 2: obsessed with all of you. Stay strong, fight the fight,
Speaker 2: but stay safe.
Speaker 3: Bye, guys.
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