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Speaker 1: do is I spit opinions for? Is that what it is?
Speaker 1: You play basketball too, don't you not anymore? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't not when I want to do professionally.
Speaker 1: Professionally you do a lot of You got to do
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. I gotta be busy, man. I'm
Speaker 1: a busy kind of guy. No, I'm a busy kind
Speaker 1: of guy, but not to your level. So you right
Speaker 1: for dead Spin, which is which has been revamped, and
Speaker 1: you have an article that dropped today. It hasn't dropped yet,
Speaker 1: it's in the process of dropping. And uh, it's about
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes contract Dog. And I know when people see
Speaker 1: the head lode you talked about at five hundred three million, Wow,
Speaker 1: he got this great contract, Doug. How much of that
Speaker 1: money's guaranteed fully? Guaranteed. Do you know? Yes, one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty one point four eight one million by injury
Speaker 1: March third of two twenty two is fully guaranteed regardless
Speaker 1: of what he does from this point forward. I believe
Speaker 1: that he blew a golden opportunity to get a fully
Speaker 1: guaranteed contract. Given the resume and AMMO that he had,
Speaker 1: he could have changed the thinking of NFL players. All
Speaker 1: the other sports have guaranteed contracts. The NFL still, somehow,
Speaker 1: some way, basically gets away with we want you to
Speaker 1: commit to us, but we're not going to fully commit
Speaker 1: to you. And Kirk Cousins a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen signed that three year, eighty four million dollars
Speaker 1: guaranteed the first fully guaranteed contract in the NFL. That's true. Actually,
Speaker 1: I'm just going by no, but it's it's not. It's
Speaker 1: not actually true. That's the first fully guaranteed contracts. First
Speaker 1: round draft pick contracts are fully guaranteed for four years.
Speaker 1: They're all fully guaranteed. Okay, So so the idea that
Speaker 1: they don't have and the idea that they don't have
Speaker 1: the the rest of the contracts may not be fully guaranteed.
Speaker 1: But they have absolutely guarantees in him. But but but the
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed NFL rookie first round draft pick contracts are
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed for four years. Okay, here, here, here's that.
Speaker 1: That's not the way it's that's not what the way
Speaker 1: it's presented when you talk about Kirk Cousins and when
Speaker 1: he got his deal. But anyway, as as a free agents,
Speaker 1: just go out. He got a three year, fully guaranteed deal, yes,
Speaker 1: which which just didn't happen in the NFL. There was
Speaker 1: always some out or all the money's not guaranteed, you
Speaker 1: got to make the roster and all of this. He
Speaker 1: got three years fully guaranteed. But my point is that
Speaker 1: of all people who could have changed the way that
Speaker 1: they do business in the NFL is Patrick Mahone. Because
Speaker 1: of his resume, an MVP, a super Bowl in his
Speaker 1: first two years as a starter. The potential people are
Speaker 1: already talking about Chris Bussard already he's Jordan esque, He's
Speaker 1: gonna be the greatest quarterback or has the potential to
Speaker 1: be the greatest quarterback of all time, all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and I think that that would would have been worth
Speaker 1: fighting for it now, whether or not the Chiefs wanted
Speaker 1: to go Dug ten years extension on the two years
Speaker 1: that were already there, or if it was a five
Speaker 1: or six or seven or eight year, whatever the deal was,
Speaker 1: it should have been totally guaranteed, because that's what other sports.
Speaker 1: I would much rather have Mike Trout's contract with the Angels.
Speaker 1: He's got a four hundred and twenty six million dollar
Speaker 1: contract that's fully guaranteed. He will get every nickel of
Speaker 1: his money no matter what happens. And that's where the
Speaker 1: NFL should be moving to. And then people say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you could get hurt on any play, Sure you can.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's about to start his twenty first season. Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: they didn't sign in Miami because he had an injury.
Speaker 1: People thought he was done. Guy went on to have
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame career. There's so many examples. Why
Speaker 1: not If a team is asking you to make a
Speaker 1: commitment to them, why shouldn't they have to make a
Speaker 1: real commitment. And I would rather see in the NFL
Speaker 1: real contracts I'm talking about. Give a guy a three year,
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed contract. At the end of that time, Doug,
Speaker 1: if he's terrible, you move on. He moves on right,
Speaker 1: and he has to go fend for itself. If he's great,
Speaker 1: then he has to get another contract or get more money.
Speaker 1: Not one where I control the narrative. Not one where
Speaker 1: it's I can let you go at any point or decide, yeah,
Speaker 1: you could stay on the team, but you have to
Speaker 1: take a pay cut in order to stay even though
Speaker 1: you have a contract. And then all the other talk
Speaker 1: that comes out when people talk about taking a team
Speaker 1: friendly contract is hey, yeah, this is good for the team,
Speaker 1: This will allow them to give you other players around.
Speaker 1: You can I can I hop in here real quick?
Speaker 1: Sure you can? Okay, Um, everything you said actually currently exists,
Speaker 1: and I you're you're you're either misrepresenting what currently exists
Speaker 1: in uh in baseball and in football, so to speak,
Speaker 1: or or or or we're speaking we're like ships passing
Speaker 1: a night where we're not kind of properly communicating with
Speaker 1: each other. So okay. So so the first thing is,
Speaker 1: first thing is those contracts actually do exist. Like there's
Speaker 1: no you're not going to get a one sided contract.
Speaker 1: He just the idea and the idea that football is
Speaker 1: just like baseball is frankly bull you know what, it
Speaker 1: just hold on, hold on, I get I gave you five,
Speaker 1: I gave you you went five minutes. I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna go five minutes. And we will have a discussion
Speaker 1: on this one, okay. But Alex Smith is the perfect
Speaker 1: example of the other side to it. Right, Like Alex
Speaker 1: Smith right now, based upon the salary cap, he still
Speaker 1: costs okay, he still costs thirty two point two million
Speaker 1: dollars against the Washington Redskins or whatever their nickname becomes.
Speaker 1: Against the Washington Redskins cap number thirty two point two
Speaker 1: million dollars in deadcap money. He's not playing football ever. Again,
Speaker 1: there's a difference in football in baseball. He's lucky to
Speaker 1: have a leg. Okay, So please, Ryan Shazier will never
Speaker 1: play football again. Like the deadcap money, it's a different sport. Okay.
Speaker 1: So these contracts actually do exist, and here's how players
Speaker 1: protect themselves. There's always been you're taking what agents say
Speaker 1: and what the players associations say as law, and that's
Speaker 1: not it's not factual. You can fight for short or
Speaker 1: shorter term like if you want just a small, short
Speaker 1: term guaranteed deal, you know what that's called. That's called
Speaker 1: a franchise. Tag. That's what Dak Prescott has, that's what
Speaker 1: he's fighting against. He's gonna get thirty one million dollars
Speaker 1: and then next year he can either sign a free
Speaker 1: agent deal with somebody else or sign a franchise tag,
Speaker 1: which would likely become thirty two thirty three, thirty four
Speaker 1: million dollars again guaranteed, and play the whole thing again. Right.
Speaker 1: That's what what Kirk Cousins did was he risked this
Speaker 1: by doing the franchise tag two consecutive years, much like
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's doing, which players like I don't want the
Speaker 1: franchise tag. Okay, wait, you don't want a short term
Speaker 1: guaranteed deal, but you're saying that somehow a long term
Speaker 1: guaranteed deal where you're get paid a bunch of the
Speaker 1: money upfront and then there's a point in the middle
Speaker 1: of the contract where there's this lump sum payment. And
Speaker 1: that's what Pat mahomes. Look at the deal. Two hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy four point seven eight one million dollars in
Speaker 1: the first six years. They can't cut him that that
Speaker 1: money he will get. He will be on the roster
Speaker 1: and then either they renegotiate a deal or it spikes
Speaker 1: to like fifty million dollars a year, okay, and if
Speaker 1: they cut him then he's he's a free agent on
Speaker 1: the market. That's the way it works. That's actual guaranteed money.
Speaker 1: And the reason that NFL teams have to protect themselves
Speaker 1: is one because of injury and two you give a dude,
Speaker 1: you know, like just things change over a ten year period.
Speaker 1: Guys complain that they're now underpaid because they sign these
Speaker 1: deals like that's actually the actual criticism of the Pat
Speaker 1: Mahomes deal is that it doesn't take into account what's
Speaker 1: likely to be a spike in the salary cap in
Speaker 1: years to come and actually protects him and gives him
Speaker 1: a bunch of money up front when most people believe
Speaker 1: the salary cap will go down over the next two
Speaker 1: years because we don't know if there's gonna be any
Speaker 1: fans in the stands this year, which is gonna change
Speaker 1: the revenue. So rob respectfully, you're completely either misrepresenting what
Speaker 1: the actual facts are or you're not paying attention to
Speaker 1: how it all works. Rookie contract rookie contracts, the first
Speaker 1: round takes are fully guaranteed to have been since the
Speaker 1: dog he has sixty three million right now, guarantee fully guaranteed. No,
Speaker 1: he has one hundred and forty one point four he
Speaker 1: is going to be paid. That's one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: one point four million dollars to injury guarantee sixty. No,
Speaker 1: you're not reading the kind I haven't. I have it
Speaker 1: in front of me. It's six. Look at it. Look
Speaker 1: at Albert Beard. That's what he got paiding morning quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: That's what he got paid already Thursday. Okay, he gets
Speaker 1: paid one hundred and three point three million dollars on
Speaker 1: March of March third, third day of the NFL year.
Speaker 1: Next year, then he gets paid one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: one total, okay total by March third of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: He is getting that money. Whether he plays another snack.
Speaker 1: He's signed for five hundred and three. Doug. My point
Speaker 1: is simply that if you if you're the Kansas City Chiefs,
Speaker 1: and you're coming to me and you want me to
Speaker 1: make a ten year commitment to you, I'm saying to you,
Speaker 1: as in other sports, I don't care about you could
Speaker 1: have insurance for injuries. You can, Patrick Mahomes. I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about every guy. Patrick Mahomes is a is a
Speaker 1: special play. Patrick Mahomes is a guy who if you
Speaker 1: want him to be a part of your organization for
Speaker 1: the next decade, you can go out of your way
Speaker 1: and sign a guy and give him guaranteed money. And
Speaker 1: I'm talking about five hundred and three millions. It's not possible,
Speaker 1: but it is. No, it's not. No, it's not you're
Speaker 1: you're you're stating things that are not possible. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: stating things that are actually not possible. It's people do
Speaker 1: this all the time. They do this about baseball. Man,
Speaker 1: the baseball contracts are great. That's not true. Two hundred
Speaker 1: twenty six million dollars guaranteed doug not great because because listen,
Speaker 1: tell me how it's not great. Because up until last year,
Speaker 1: did you know that Mike Trout was making less a
Speaker 1: million dollars or less throughout his career? Did you know that,
Speaker 1: like there becomes a rich and a poor, there is
Speaker 1: not there is not unlimited sums of money. That's not
Speaker 1: actually the way it works. Okay, that you don't have
Speaker 1: me how four twenty six is bad, dog, This is
Speaker 1: what you just say. It's explained to me, how it's
Speaker 1: not a good deal. It's fully guaranteed, or Manny Machado's
Speaker 1: three hundred million or Bryce Harper's three hundred millions? Bryce?
Speaker 1: How many? Howd's a bad deal? How much is Bryce
Speaker 1: Harper making per year? I don't know what the breakdown.
Speaker 1: I don't have it in front of me. I can't
Speaker 1: know what the total deal. Okay, how much is the
Speaker 1: total deal? It's over three hundred million? Was a three
Speaker 1: twenty five for how many years? Thirteen years? Okay? So
Speaker 1: thirteen into into thirty two is what twenty seven point five? Patrick? Patrick?
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is guaranteed? There is there is no way
Speaker 1: that they can cut him based upon the dead cat
Speaker 1: money before at the end of the sixth year of
Speaker 1: the contract, which was ever chat money players cut? Have
Speaker 1: there ever been players cut? Yes? All right then, so
Speaker 1: you can't cut? Yes? And what happens with if they
Speaker 1: cut Pat Mahomes? What happens? So he gets it? He
Speaker 1: doesn't get five three dog answer the answer the question, Rob,
Speaker 1: what happens if he now, look, he'll get one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty one point four million dollars in the next
Speaker 1: in the next uh two years guaranteed? Okay? So he
Speaker 1: has one hundred and forty one. And let's say they
Speaker 1: decided move on, we'll cut him. What happens. What happens,
Speaker 1: he gets another roster bonus for another forty million dollars. Okay,
Speaker 1: So now he's got one hundred and eighty at any
Speaker 1: point in time that they cut him in those first
Speaker 1: three years. Okay. And then he's a free agent and
Speaker 1: he can sign another deal where it's guaranteed money. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that if he gets cut he can't go
Speaker 1: and get another contract. Again, you're misrepresenting it. Yes, you're
Speaker 1: talking about with the Chiefs. Does signed a bogus Just
Speaker 1: hear me out. He signed up five hundred and three
Speaker 1: is what they get. Chances of him getting five hundred
Speaker 1: and three million from the Chiefs, Doug are almost zero
Speaker 1: to none. Really, he'll never get all that money. He'll
Speaker 1: never get that. Am I right or wrong? You're wrong?
Speaker 1: He'll actually get more. He won't give five three from
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. He will guarantee you he'll get more.
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas was ticked. He got every penny from his
Speaker 1: four year deal sign with the Seattle Seahawks. That four years,
Speaker 1: not twelve years. Dogs I understandelve years, I understand, I understand. Look,
Speaker 1: if if you're the Chiefs, you have to again, there's
Speaker 1: no such thing you're not doing to do that. The
Speaker 1: Chiefs aren't gonna go like, oh hey, you want six
Speaker 1: years then to be a free agent. Sure, remember this,
Speaker 1: you're speaking French, I'm speaking English. You're right. No, I'm
Speaker 1: speaking English. You're speaking grett. No, I'm not free Look, look,
Speaker 1: look they cannot okay, based upon dead cat money and
Speaker 1: the size of this contract, Rob, The reality is they
Speaker 1: can't cut him and then find a replacement at quarterback.
Speaker 1: They can't for the first six years of the deal,
Speaker 1: and that's two hundred and seventy four million dollars. And
Speaker 1: if they cut him, which would be the stupidest decision ever, Okay,
Speaker 1: if they cut him, then he will go and get
Speaker 1: all of that money elsewhere. Now, the reason that five
Speaker 1: hundred and three million dollars cutting him because he got
Speaker 1: hurt or he's not good anymore. It ain't automatic that
Speaker 1: he would go to another team and recoup that money.
Speaker 1: That is not fat if you're talking about the only
Speaker 1: reason they taught him is that he would hurt or
Speaker 1: he was no good. It ain't because he was great. Okay,
Speaker 1: so what makes just told me that it was a
Speaker 1: guaranteed cinch that he's going to be great for the
Speaker 1: next ten years no matter what. Yes, you know what
Speaker 1: I said, we can roll back to team asking you.
Speaker 1: I said that we can roll back to take you.
Speaker 1: He didn't say that. I said that he they want
Speaker 1: him to make a ten year commitment in a contract extension,
Speaker 1: that they should commit to him the same way that
Speaker 1: other leads that they didn't have to hold on to listen.
Speaker 1: He didn't have to, but they also did not have
Speaker 1: to tell he has two years remaining on his contract. Like,
Speaker 1: the reality is he's under contract for two years and
Speaker 1: then they could franchise tag him three three different times.
Speaker 1: So the chief you're acting as if he's a free agent,
Speaker 1: and he could have said, you know what, I can
Speaker 1: sign with whoever I want. You are dealing with a
Speaker 1: dream scenario that doesn't actually exist. The reality is that
Speaker 1: the Kansaity Chiefs had him under contract for essentially five
Speaker 1: more years and chose to give him a contract extension
Speaker 1: bigger than we've ever seen. The only thing that they
Speaker 1: asked of him in return is, hey, we're going to
Speaker 1: backload the contract with a ton of money, which makes
Speaker 1: you essentially uncuttable at the end of at the end
Speaker 1: of year six, we'll have to rework the deal where
Speaker 1: you'll probably make more money. It ends up being a
Speaker 1: win for Lee Steinberg, a win for the kan City
Speaker 1: Chiefs because you will always be a chief and we
Speaker 1: have so much money that you're never that. It's going
Speaker 1: to be the biggest contract ever. And while it may
Speaker 1: not keep up with inflation, it also doesn't it also
Speaker 1: doesn't hurt you with deflation, which is likely to happen
Speaker 1: in the short term. You're acting as if you can
Speaker 1: walk in and say he wasn't a free agent rob
Speaker 1: and you can't cut him because if you do cut him,
Speaker 1: you can't put any sort of replacement of any sort
Speaker 1: of reasonable number behind him. That's what's happened to the
Speaker 1: New England Patriots. Right pay attention. The Patriots are paying
Speaker 1: thirteen point five in deadcap money to Tom Brady. Why
Speaker 1: couldn't they go out and get pay a legit sum
Speaker 1: for a quarterback. They don't have any money. That's what
Speaker 1: deadcap money does. And the deadcap money on this contract
Speaker 1: makes you uncuttable. And he does have guarantees for two
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy four million dollars. Please don't tell me otherwise.
Speaker 1: It's a great discussion. I just think that for a
Speaker 1: long time, the NFL's NFLPA has misrepresented the actual value
Speaker 1: in the contracts that they have. Check out that article
Speaker 1: dead Spin. When does it drop, Rob in the next
Speaker 1: hour or so? In the next hour or so, all right,
Speaker 1: coming up next, I want to do this. It do
Speaker 1: it is in regards to NFL players. Raheem Mostert, who
Speaker 1: was an absolute star in the NFC Championship Game, appears
Speaker 1: to be fighting a losing fight. We'll discuss it next
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Speaker 1: Football and I listen a co host of an award
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Speaker 1: broadcasting from the best guys in the World's great great
Speaker 1: Dude former former USC football player as well, and we'll
Speaker 1: get his thoughts on the likelihood of a college football
Speaker 1: season being played. I do. He's also a former running back,
Speaker 1: and I think this is interesting. Rob like Raheem Moster,
Speaker 1: it has been cut six times last year, he signed
Speaker 1: an extension with the San Francisco forty nine Ers three years,
Speaker 1: nine million dollars, and he wants to be traded so
Speaker 1: that he can get a bigger role and obviously make
Speaker 1: more money. And I'm just like, like, listen, I understand,
Speaker 1: you finally got a chance to show what you can
Speaker 1: do in the league. And he's an explosive running back.
Speaker 1: He led the NFC champions in rushing yards and had
Speaker 1: that incredibly explosive NFC Championship game. But dude, you've been
Speaker 1: cut six times, you just signed a three year extension
Speaker 1: last year, and you're at a position of declining value.
Speaker 1: What am I missing? Why would the San Francisco forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers trade him? No, they wouldn't want to trade
Speaker 1: him because they got a deal and they know it.
Speaker 1: But my point is, I get the system does not
Speaker 1: work fairly for running backs in the NFL, and it's
Speaker 1: not right where basically guys are being used up their
Speaker 1: first four or five years before they are able to
Speaker 1: cash in, and it's it's the only position. Running is
Speaker 1: an important part of the game. I know everybody throws
Speaker 1: the ball now it's it's it's more of a throwing league.
Speaker 1: But to set up the pass and a lot of
Speaker 1: times and to be able to extend run out the clock,
Speaker 1: you need to be able to get first downs on
Speaker 1: the ground. You can't throw every down, So backs are
Speaker 1: very important. We saw him in the postseason. He was
Speaker 1: tremendous for them. He was a reason that they got
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. And I don't blame a guy
Speaker 1: who wants to get paid before the NFL decides, Okay,
Speaker 1: we used you up enough and as you get a
Speaker 1: little older, you won't have the same value. Where is
Speaker 1: paying that guy during the time when he's been great
Speaker 1: for you? So I get why a running back would
Speaker 1: want to do whatever he could to get more money
Speaker 1: at the time when he's strike, when the iron's hot.
Speaker 1: Strike when you're rushing for five and a half yards
Speaker 1: a carry, not when you're rushing for three point two
Speaker 1: yards to carry, and then nobody wants to pay you.
Speaker 1: So I get why he needs to force the issue
Speaker 1: to get more money now because his career, unlike most
Speaker 1: football players, is very brief and his earning potential might
Speaker 1: only be five, six or seven years Doug compared to
Speaker 1: other guys. Well, there's a direct contradiction in what you
Speaker 1: just said. Right, You're like, well, the NFL uses up
Speaker 1: these guys, but these guys should get paid more money
Speaker 1: after they get used up, right, Like David Johnson's the
Speaker 1: perfect that should get paid. They should. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it's got to be something to compensate them because they're
Speaker 1: not making the money when they're actually at their most productive.
Speaker 1: It's a system that is delayed delayed money so that
Speaker 1: you have to wait or you can't. You don't have
Speaker 1: free agency if you have a bad year. No, no,
Speaker 1: I I get I get what you're saying. Okay, but listen,
Speaker 1: but but I understand what you're saying. You're saying they're
Speaker 1: most productive in their first four years, and most of
Speaker 1: these guys are now being drafted in the late for
Speaker 1: like second round. Some are drapt in first round. And look,
Speaker 1: there there is there is the Christian McCaffrey contract, and
Speaker 1: he's probably the best all around back in the league.
Speaker 1: Because of what he can do catching the football as
Speaker 1: well as a hybrid back. But there's there's a couple
Speaker 1: different layers to it in terms of raheem mostert. If
Speaker 1: you if you really if he's under contract, like that's
Speaker 1: the problem is Like, hey, dude, sorry, you signed a
Speaker 1: three year deal list year, there's still two more years
Speaker 1: left on it. This is the way that contracts work. Wait,
Speaker 1: wait a minute. Do do teams to tear up contracts
Speaker 1: and reward people do good work for them? Has that
Speaker 1: ever happened occasionally? Sure? Okay, so it does happen, so
Speaker 1: you can do it. You can reward somebody when they've
Speaker 1: outperformed their contract and they've done something good for you.
Speaker 1: So to act like you're stuck doing so when you
Speaker 1: if you underperformed, do you give the money back they
Speaker 1: cut you? They ask you for pay cuts. Dog, it happened.
Speaker 1: And if they cut taking pay cuts, I'm asking you, yes,
Speaker 1: stay on a team, yes, and but but but if
Speaker 1: they had value on the open market, they would say
Speaker 1: go ahead and cut me, and I'll get it. I'll
Speaker 1: go get another deal on my on my own. Look,
Speaker 1: there are there are a litany of other running backs
Speaker 1: that the stories we've had. We have enough stories to
Speaker 1: show you the Todd Gurley contract, which was the biggest one.
Speaker 1: He not only had a bad knee, but didn't appear
Speaker 1: to have the work ethic or at least inside the
Speaker 1: front office of the LA Rams. They would rather, they
Speaker 1: would rather pay him money to now play for the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons than have him on their roster. That's a
Speaker 1: long term contract that was torn up because of his
Speaker 1: production early in his career. Right that actually talking about
Speaker 1: a guy who got hurt. Dug, it happens. He didn't
Speaker 1: get situations he didn't need. He was hurt. No, he
Speaker 1: was hurt before he got the contracts bad on their
Speaker 1: part then that if they signed a guy was hurt.
Speaker 1: I mean, my point is that you will have situations
Speaker 1: where guys get hurt during contracts, but those aren't the
Speaker 1: only ones. You could always point to it. They did
Speaker 1: the reason Johnson, David Johnson got hurt two consecutive years
Speaker 1: after having like, there isn't a show me the long
Speaker 1: term contract for the running back where the team got
Speaker 1: the better end of the deal. Leveon Bell's contract was
Speaker 1: so bad that the GM who signed it got fired
Speaker 1: almost immediately after and they can't find any. And I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, Lavon, Bill's still awesome, but he just doesn't
Speaker 1: have that value. Look, the bigger thing is this, and
Speaker 1: the point you made is a smart one, which is, hey,
Speaker 1: in the first four years of their NFL life, that's
Speaker 1: when they're most productive, right, and they should be paid
Speaker 1: more because that's when they're sharpest. That's before they start
Speaker 1: to get beat worn down by the by the NFL
Speaker 1: because as you point out, and you're right, their career
Speaker 1: is brief. In some like Adrian Peterson still somehow accruing yards.
Speaker 1: You know, Frank Frank Gore's gonna play till he's fifty.
Speaker 1: He's unbelievable. Those are the exceptions, and the rule is
Speaker 1: you have a shorter window a lifespan at that position.
Speaker 1: But if you don't like it, you're taking it up
Speaker 1: with the wrong people. The people to take it up
Speaker 1: with are the NFLPA. That's who negotiated a deal where
Speaker 1: they have these salary slots. I don't disagree with you,
Speaker 1: and the Players Association and the CBA, and the deals
Speaker 1: that they've done are awful. They are awful. Well they
Speaker 1: are and they aren't. And this is part of signing
Speaker 1: up for a union. A union protects at all members,
Speaker 1: even the members that you know, and the greatest number
Speaker 1: of those members are the rank and file guys. And
Speaker 1: oh yeah, by the way, there's just the reality too.
Speaker 1: You can find running backs anywhere. Like my thing is,
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would want to be a
Speaker 1: running back. It's being a running back and thinking you're
Speaker 1: going to make as much in comparison to other guys
Speaker 1: than the team as as as they used to. Like
Speaker 1: you're just not keeping up with the times. That's I
Speaker 1: don't know why. It's like the idea of going and
Speaker 1: be a doctor now right where when we were kids,
Speaker 1: you if you wanted to the big house on the
Speaker 1: hill was owned by doctors. Okay, but the world has changed.
Speaker 1: And while you can still make a really healthy amount
Speaker 1: of money if you're a doctor, one to go through
Speaker 1: medical school is incredibly difficult, incredibly expensive. You're going to
Speaker 1: carry that debt. And then once you become a doctor,
Speaker 1: you have to carry insurance because of all this litigation,
Speaker 1: right or potential litigation. And so if you want to
Speaker 1: make a ton of money, you probably become an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: You got into tech, or you go into finance. That's
Speaker 1: what you should do as an NFL player. If you
Speaker 1: want to be a football player, become a quarter and
Speaker 1: you want to make a ton of money. Wide receiver, quarterback, cornerback,
Speaker 1: defensive end, and left tackle. That's where that's where the
Speaker 1: money is, and that's where the game has gone based
Speaker 1: upon the rules. They've changed all the other rules except
Speaker 1: the ones to protect the running backs, and that's why
Speaker 1: they have a shortened career. Let's bring in a former
Speaker 1: running back in his own right. Petros Papadakis joins us.
Speaker 1: You can hear him afternoons on AM five seventy here
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles with Rob Parker. I'm Doug Gottlieb. Is
Speaker 1: there any way, Petros, Petro? Is there any way to Rob?
Speaker 1: Good morning, Petros? Is there any way to fix running
Speaker 1: backs as the position having a declining value in the NFL? No? No,
Speaker 1: not with the position, and not where they line up,
Speaker 1: where the linebackers line up, where the safeties line up.
Speaker 1: The impact when you hit that guy, even if he
Speaker 1: catches a pass, because of where the defense is coming from,
Speaker 1: that guy's going to get hit and that guy's going
Speaker 1: to deliver a lot of blows too, and The other
Speaker 1: thing about running backs that people don't realize is most
Speaker 1: of the time in a football game, you know, unless
Speaker 1: you get rolled up on. And we see that all
Speaker 1: the time in a replay when a guy, usually a
Speaker 1: big guy, gets his leg hurt or something, he gets
Speaker 1: rolled up on from behind. But when you're a running back,
Speaker 1: I mean, people hit you from everywhere, and they hit
Speaker 1: you in the head, and they hit you with their
Speaker 1: head all over your body. Because you have the ball,
Speaker 1: that really doesn't happen. I mean, if you get blocked,
Speaker 1: and football usually you're getting blocked straight away. And we've
Speaker 1: made a lot of rules to eliminate what was supposed
Speaker 1: to be really cool, which all these blind side blocks,
Speaker 1: which are obviously very dangerous. So I don't really think
Speaker 1: there's a way to litigate protecting or running back like
Speaker 1: there is. You're keeping your hands off wide receivers while
Speaker 1: they're running routes and not hitting the quarterback too hard
Speaker 1: and all that, and they've done a pretty good job
Speaker 1: and a lot of that stuff, especially a lot of
Speaker 1: the kill shots in the secondary and the passing game.
Speaker 1: I never thought they'd be able to fix that. I've
Speaker 1: been calling football games for twenty years about and I
Speaker 1: never thought that would change. But as far as running
Speaker 1: backs go, I just I don't know how you help
Speaker 1: that guy, Petro So I know a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I know it's a throw in league now to the
Speaker 1: NFL and quarterbacks and whatnot. But but last year, if
Speaker 1: you looked at the playoffs and the teams that advanced
Speaker 1: or the final four all had running games and good
Speaker 1: players Dereck Henry with the Titans. Would they have gotten
Speaker 1: to where they were without him running the football? So
Speaker 1: how do guys who run the football and add value
Speaker 1: to the team get paid? Does the SEEBA have to
Speaker 1: change where those guys get a different contract, will get
Speaker 1: a contract earlier in their careers, because somehow, some way,
Speaker 1: those guys kind of get short changed. To me, well
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it, and they get short changed physically.
Speaker 1: And I'm not the guy to chop up money or
Speaker 1: understand NFL contracts, especially since I never signed one, but
Speaker 1: it would clearly be better to pay running backs earlier.
Speaker 1: Here's the problem. I remember, remember that great back Robert Smith,
Speaker 1: and he works at Fox. He's a great guy, and
Speaker 1: I remember one year and he was a feature back
Speaker 1: for the Vikings, one year he got hurt. And then
Speaker 1: their backup tailback who was a superstar. I remember him
Speaker 1: in college tearing USC apart in the Rose Bowl was
Speaker 1: a guy named Leroy Horde. Remember Leroy Horde. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: Leroy Horde had one of the great quotes in the
Speaker 1: history of running backs, which was, if you need a yard,
Speaker 1: I'll get you three. If you need ten yards, I'll
Speaker 1: get you three. And Leroy went out and ran for
Speaker 1: like twelve hundred thirteen hundred yards. And it's weird. You know,
Speaker 1: these careers are like firecrackers, and it's really hard to
Speaker 1: predict when and who is going to get that momentum.
Speaker 1: And the problem is, and this is also an issue
Speaker 1: in today's NFL kind of to be great as a
Speaker 1: running back, you have to create rhythm and touch the
Speaker 1: ball a whole bunch, or in the case of a
Speaker 1: guy like Derrick Henry, not only rhythm, but you've got
Speaker 1: to create a situation where the defense gets tired of
Speaker 1: tackling your big ass, and that means you have to
Speaker 1: get the ball a lot, and that means it's probably
Speaker 1: going to shorten your career. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: contradictions in there. To help running backs. It's my favorite
Speaker 1: position clearly in football. But nowadays to see it's value
Speaker 1: and how it's dropped and why, I do understand why.
Speaker 1: It's just what happened. I mean, when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: teams you didn't think about who the quarterback was. Always
Speaker 1: you thought about, you know who the tailback was. The
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs had Christian Koye, the Bears had Neil Anderson,
Speaker 1: the Niners had Roger Craig. That the Rams had Eric Dickerson.
Speaker 1: I mean that's when it was like, wow, it wasn't
Speaker 1: even Petros, it wasn't even you didn't just know the guy.
Speaker 1: They had a spit like Roger Craig was the high
Speaker 1: knee style, right, Eric Dickerson had the guy like the
Speaker 1: team was known for the running back. But like again
Speaker 1: we're talking about our childhood times have in fact, was
Speaker 1: one of the beauties Dug And this really answers Rob's
Speaker 1: question that one of the beauties of football is the
Speaker 1: cyclical nature. Up. Yeah, it might be a passing league,
Speaker 1: but watch the Patriots buckled down and go double tight
Speaker 1: end and run people over this year with Cam Newton
Speaker 1: as their quarterback. Because that's what happened to them in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Football is always changing and there's always a
Speaker 1: way to get after somebody the way they least expect it.
Speaker 1: Like the wildcat, for god's sakes, that was just a
Speaker 1: single wing. That's that's that's and honestly, that's all that
Speaker 1: Some of this red zone readaction or when you direct
Speaker 1: Snapp to the quarterback eleven on eleven football, that's that's
Speaker 1: single wing. From back when football began, right halfback was
Speaker 1: half the way back. Fullback was you know, full all
Speaker 1: the way back, like quarterback was only quarter of the
Speaker 1: way back. That's actually why those positions were named as such.
Speaker 1: From the old single wing. Yeah, there's all kinds of
Speaker 1: weird stuff, you know, there's the double A lot of
Speaker 1: that stuff went by the wayside because all you had
Speaker 1: to do was watch the offensive line and you could
Speaker 1: tell where the ball was going off the double teams.
Speaker 1: But now they do it in a zone style, which
Speaker 1: is the line moves together and they've moved the running
Speaker 1: back way behind the quarterback or the quarterbacks and a
Speaker 1: shotgun and they needed a different point and because there's
Speaker 1: no pulling or double teaming the line and can't read
Speaker 1: a hole in the linebacker just goes and fills it.
Speaker 1: He might have to go scrape all the way over
Speaker 1: the top or do something like that, which is why
Speaker 1: that player is not like my brother or father, who
Speaker 1: were both middle linebackers and weighed two hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: five pounds and we're about sixty tall. And if you
Speaker 1: got in their little zone, they would rock 'em, sock 'em,
Speaker 1: robot your neck. But if you get him out on
Speaker 1: the edge, they might blow both hammys. Football's change a lot,
Speaker 1: and that's one of the fun things about it, no
Speaker 1: matter how they try to litigate him. Yeah, and proestors,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you really quickly here, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the likelihood we have a college football season. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I live in la like you guys do,
Speaker 1: and I work in the media like you guys do,
Speaker 1: so I get inundated with so much it's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to see which way is up. They told us
Speaker 1: a long time ago at Fox, where I've worked and
Speaker 1: called games for a long time. I've never called games
Speaker 1: for anybody else really, that we're gonna wait till late
Speaker 1: July and make a decision. Of course, it's a big
Speaker 1: part of my livelihood like basketball is for you, and
Speaker 1: we are all suffering, and it's not just in sports,
Speaker 1: clearly a lot of people are suffering way more. So
Speaker 1: I'm trying to have that perspective. But and then I
Speaker 1: think of going to Iowa and taking their football away.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to happen. You know. We
Speaker 1: had Bruce Feldman on the other day, and he's great
Speaker 1: at his job, but he was pearl clutching and hand ringing,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, go down to LSU and
Speaker 1: tell your buddy Atojeron and Louisiana you're going to take
Speaker 1: their football. I'm not sure. Then we might not have
Speaker 1: a season, and that's okay. But the whole spring football
Speaker 1: thing is does not make sense. And I agree with
Speaker 1: a lot of the people that are talking about it,
Speaker 1: and I have no agenda with it, but it just
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense for these guys bodies in the schedule
Speaker 1: of the world. But I think we'll probably play conference games,
Speaker 1: which is kind of funny because a lot of these
Speaker 1: teams are further away from the teams in their conference
Speaker 1: and they of from each other, and one hundred guys
Speaker 1: on a team is one hundred guys on a team. Right, So, uh,
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, we wouldn't be worried about football
Speaker 1: because it's not safe at all. There's no such thing
Speaker 1: as safety in football. There never has been. It's so
Speaker 1: much different than these other sports. So if we have
Speaker 1: this new kind of code of ethics about protecting people,
Speaker 1: we should probably just cancel the thing. Yeah, say, football
Speaker 1: goes along with civil war, right, as as as as
Speaker 1: oxymorons that that in and then you're good. Everybody healthy,
Speaker 1: everybody health at your house. Yeah, I guess, Well it's
Speaker 1: this wasn't a trick question. Petros is like, well where'd
Speaker 1: that come from? You know? I just I'm about to
Speaker 1: say goodbye, but we haven't. We didn't. Like, Hey, let's next, huh,
Speaker 1: we have a break. We do have breaks. We do have.
Speaker 1: These guys are scared of the clock. You know, Hey,
Speaker 1: this is not just where you guys could just talk
Speaker 1: and not break. You know what I'm saying. We're artists,
Speaker 1: all right, get back to painting, you guys. He's the best.
Speaker 1: Petris Papadacus. Of course, if you if you're in La,
Speaker 1: you know on AM five seven. If you're not and
Speaker 1: you find a way to get to La, you just
Speaker 1: turn on the M five to seven. You'll love their
Speaker 1: afternoon show with Matt money Smith. It's been around forever
Speaker 1: and there's a reason because it's outstanding. Coming up next
Speaker 1: is a Major League Baseball making a big mistake, now
Speaker 1: notwith playing, but with a rule that they're now implementing.
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Speaker 1: Mahomes should have gotten a fully guaranteed contract. Should have
Speaker 1: for one, absolutely, he had the uh, he had the arsenal,
Speaker 1: he has the resume, he has the power to force
Speaker 1: change in the NFL, and he blew a golden opportunity.
Speaker 1: He wasn't actually a free agent, but I get that,
Speaker 1: But they just signed him to a new cut dog Dog.
Speaker 1: You're acting like I don't know that he was under
Speaker 1: a rookie deal. They still give gave him a deal, right,
Speaker 1: and we're willing to add a ten year extension. So
Speaker 1: if they were willing to do that, he could have
Speaker 1: been willing to say, I'll sign an extension, but I
Speaker 1: wanted fully guaranteed. Don't make it as if and I'm
Speaker 1: sure and I'm conceiving, and I'm sure it would have
Speaker 1: been for less money, right, Okay, but it would have
Speaker 1: been guaranteed. That's it isn't there are there are substantial
Speaker 1: guarantees within it. So so let's get to the base
Speaker 1: we'll get agree. What what what don't what don't you
Speaker 1: like about what Baseball's doing. I don't like the idea that,
Speaker 1: uh that the DH is gonna go way. I know
Speaker 1: they're using it this year in the sixty game season
Speaker 1: and the chances the universal DH and eventually probably next
Speaker 1: year to next collective bargaining, the DH will go away totally.
Speaker 1: And I don't understand why, Doug. I don't know. Growing up, Doug,
Speaker 1: were you in the National League city or an American
Speaker 1: League city? I was a man. Yeah, I grew up
Speaker 1: in the city of Orange, so I'm an Angel fan.
Speaker 1: My dad was a Mets fan, so yes, everybody I
Speaker 1: love the double switch and National League baseball more so
Speaker 1: than I like the DH, even though Brian Downing had
Speaker 1: this gigantic back when I was a kid that I
Speaker 1: was fascinated by. Remember him, right, But that's my point,
Speaker 1: Like all the talk is to try to make the
Speaker 1: games quicker and move by. And the whole notion of
Speaker 1: a DH compared to her picture. I know, people say, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to see a picture hit. Those are
Speaker 1: automatic outs, dog that usually make the game move a
Speaker 1: little faster. And and and the National League style of
Speaker 1: base ball lower scoring, not always, but lower scoring, more pitching,
Speaker 1: and more strategy and decisions. To me, it's a different
Speaker 1: game than the American League. The American League has always
Speaker 1: to me been like softball, you know, where you have
Speaker 1: all these hitters and it's all a waiting for the
Speaker 1: three run home run and taking a pitch, taking a pitch,
Speaker 1: taking a pitch. So I'm not so sure that I'm
Speaker 1: all in on the idea of changing that style of
Speaker 1: baseball and just going with the American League DH idea.
Speaker 1: And if you remember, in nineteen seventy three, Ron Bloomberg
Speaker 1: was the first ever to have that position or bat
Speaker 1: as a DH in the American League for the Yankees,
Speaker 1: and back then it was supposed to be a rule
Speaker 1: to try to keep older stars in the game so
Speaker 1: that they could just hit and wouldn't have to play
Speaker 1: the field. But that's totally changed. So I watch it
Speaker 1: this year, I'll accept it, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm all the way in on eliminating strategy and and
Speaker 1: UH and just having a DH in both leagues. Look,
Speaker 1: in principle, I agree with you, Okay, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a much more interesting game, especially when you get to
Speaker 1: playoff baseball in terms of how you when you decide
Speaker 1: to go and get the pitcher or do you just
Speaker 1: pinch hit for him? Like I think, it's it's fast.
Speaker 1: The whole thing is fascinating. Um, the problem with it
Speaker 1: is it, Yeah, you're eliminating jobs, right, that's it's a
Speaker 1: for the for the for the MLBPA. You're creating more
Speaker 1: jobs if you have a DH. Uh. College baseball has
Speaker 1: the DH. The minor leagues up until I think Double
Speaker 1: A and Triple A to this point, and again minor
Speaker 1: leagues not even minor leagues this year, and they're in
Speaker 1: grave danger of eliminating massive amounts of teams in the future,
Speaker 1: but the lower levels of the minor leagues only have
Speaker 1: the DH and so baseball has been trending this way
Speaker 1: for a long time. And while while we think baseball
Speaker 1: doesn't need to faster, that's a it needs more action.
Speaker 1: And the second part you said is completely correct, like
Speaker 1: analytics in baseball has actually increased scoring but decreased watchability
Speaker 1: right absolutely, And for people who don't know this, thirty
Speaker 1: three percent of every at bat, only the only people
Speaker 1: that are involved in the at bat or the pitcher,
Speaker 1: the catcher and the hitter because either walk, strike out,
Speaker 1: or home run, and the analytics tell you you're much
Speaker 1: better to hit a home run than you are to
Speaker 1: lay down a bunt or to hit a seing eye
Speaker 1: groundball into right field. That's why they've changed the swing plane.
Speaker 1: That's why MLB, i'm sure has tightened the baseballs. It's
Speaker 1: because you know, the idea was always if you hit
Speaker 1: home runs, people will watch chicks dig the long ball.
Speaker 1: But the fact is that if you have a one
Speaker 1: more hitter in the lineup, it dramatically changes the likelihood
Speaker 1: of scoring. And that's what draws eyes offense draws eyes
Speaker 1: and it's what baseball can do. That's what look. That's
Speaker 1: why the NFL said you can't touch back and he
Speaker 1: can't touch a wide receiver after five yards the rules.
Speaker 1: That's why the NBA change you can't hand check guys,
Speaker 1: and they've opened up the game and the use of entering.
Speaker 1: All of these things are to create more offense, because
Speaker 1: that's what we used. The American sports fan wants to see,
Speaker 1: and so I'm not while I agree with you, I
Speaker 1: would say the reason baseball is doing it is to
Speaker 1: try and create a more watchable game. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the National League game is very watchable. Every game. To me,
Speaker 1: baseball doesn't always have to be offense. I can enjoy
Speaker 1: a two to one game where there's some good defense
Speaker 1: and plays. I agree with the home runs and strikeouts
Speaker 1: and walks. That is just to an extreme. Now that's
Speaker 1: where we are. Home Runs have never been an issue
Speaker 1: for me, but when it's just that or a walk,
Speaker 1: it does make it harder to watch. I like to
Speaker 1: hit and run. I like moving a guy over and
Speaker 1: scoring on a sacrifice fly. It's okay. I know it's
Speaker 1: not as exciting as a three run home run, but
Speaker 1: I think you'll lose something, and I don't think you'll
Speaker 1: always have to. There's certain things that maybe hanging onto
Speaker 1: a word. I love the National League style of base
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