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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to this week's Ozone podcast, and I

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Speaker 1: think people are gonna enjoy this one a lot. We've

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Speaker 1: had Jaguars safety ray Seon Jenkins on the Ozone Podcast before,

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Speaker 1: but it's been a long time. Uh it's been a

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Speaker 1: long time since last offseason. Uh tell me right now

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Speaker 1: though about the mood of the week. Uh, where is

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Speaker 1: team for the Saturday? The team is is very excited, Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, just being here in the playoffs and seeing

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Speaker 1: where we came from over the over the previous years. Actually,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of just speak for yourself. Man, I

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Speaker 1: think the entire city is excited. So man, we just

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Speaker 1: want to you know, our mind said is, hey, we're here,

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Speaker 1: but we're not satisfied with just getting here, and we

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Speaker 1: we would like to uh make a good run. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram was in here last week and said something

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Speaker 1: very interesting about he thought early in the season, if

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Speaker 1: you had told him to hear me playing in in

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Speaker 1: a basically a playoff game, m that guys whould have

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Speaker 1: been walking around just jacked up all week. But it's

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Speaker 1: a calm approach. It's it's a professional approach. From you guys. Um,

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Speaker 1: I assume most players are feeling that way right there. Hey,

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Speaker 1: there's an energy here, But we approached the same way

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Speaker 1: every day every week, no matter what, right right, And

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Speaker 1: I think you hit this spot on Um, we're kind

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Speaker 1: of we're kind of in that sweet spot what we

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Speaker 1: like to call it. No, not too high or not

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Speaker 1: but being able to unleash and give that energy direction

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Speaker 1: once game day gets here. So um. You know, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Coach Doug and the staff has really done a good job,

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Speaker 1: a great job, you know, kind of helping us understand Hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe that sweet spot is just the right way,

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Speaker 1: right area to be in. And you mentioned the fans. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I'd be remiss if I if I talk to any

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Speaker 1: crowd on Saturday. Um. I think considering the build toward

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Speaker 1: that game, some players were surprised at the turnout at

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Speaker 1: the energy. Tell me about the feeling on the field

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Speaker 1: on Saturday in relation to the crowd. Uh, it felt

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Speaker 1: a winning organization. Um, it felt like we were. It

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Speaker 1: was just it was crazy. It was so energetic. It

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Speaker 1: didn't surprise me at all because you know, I definitely

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Speaker 1: especially if we handled what we need to do on

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Speaker 1: certain three and some team. So we had to do

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Speaker 1: once you're playing and you know we're we're we're hungry

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Speaker 1: for more. So I got a lot to ask you

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Speaker 1: about some players this year, But I'm curious as to

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Speaker 1: how maybe compared to set Timber, considering the month you've

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's you know, it's uh, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a little different for you in the last month now.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I would definitely say, uh different as

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Speaker 1: far as the media attention, you know they're here. Um,

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Speaker 1: I was able to I was making my plays early on,

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Speaker 1: You know, I had twelve tax early in one game

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Speaker 1: in the season. But you know, it just never get it.

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Speaker 1: It will never get missed unless you're doing what we're

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Speaker 1: doing now, which is a good thing for uh, not

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Speaker 1: You know, players get known, you know, can you really

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Speaker 1: call it to their career. UM. Rewind to this date

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Speaker 1: last year, seasons over, you're looking to rehab the ankle. Still,

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Speaker 1: I'm staying at a really long road. But it's nothing

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Speaker 1: I knew six or six was nothing like I was like,

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Speaker 1: You know, Uh, injuries are gonna happen in this game.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's can you bounce back, refocusing and get

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Speaker 1: you're making it out to be. It was. It was.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's women to come back from high ankle spraining,

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Speaker 1: it's anything to come back from a full break like

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Speaker 1: that you're talking about. Yeah, I mean I have a

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't feel it. If I mean, it

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Speaker 1: is what it is, tell me about the culture of

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Speaker 1: a little bit, So it fascinates me to get your

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Speaker 1: I don't want to compare other teams, but how good

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many freedoms to come in. It

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Speaker 1: has been a quick build toward a really special culture. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think the culture is us a culture just full

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Speaker 1: type of culture we're we're bringing to this team. It's striking.

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Speaker 1: Talking to Christian a couple of weeks ago, he said

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Speaker 1: Chargers mean anything to you? Um No, what means something

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Speaker 1: to me? Is this this game. It's a playoff game.

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Speaker 1: It's it's the it's the fact that this is a

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. So just being able anytime there is an

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Speaker 1: they playing, Oh yeah, it's it's it's really it's important though,

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Speaker 1: so I'm one of those guys. You know, I want

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Speaker 1: so I look at games like this, no matter who

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Speaker 1: I gotta get my another belief that your energy level

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Speaker 1: the identity of the defense. But do you see that

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Speaker 1: is that the identity defense? To you? I would one

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Speaker 1: thousand percent say the identity of the defense is just energy.

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Speaker 1: And it's not particularly from one person, but just you know,

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Speaker 1: the energy we create ourselves, Like I understand, hey, we

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe you know, but you know that play

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Speaker 1: kind of change. That was more about me that play. Sure,

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Speaker 1: you know Dallas School is cool, but this was I said,

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Speaker 1: be replayed as long as it's a franchise. So I

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Speaker 1: honestly truly picked that play um to be able to

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Speaker 1: you know, keep my team alive and you know, in

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Speaker 1: the situation aathing like that is, it's some like I say,

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Speaker 1: like I said last time about the data place, let

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Speaker 1: you dream about got you Rashon Jenkins. I know it's

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Speaker 1: a busy week, a big week. I cannot thank you

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Speaker 1: enough for coming in here and doing this. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining the ozone podcast, and good luck this weekend, sir.

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