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Speaker 2: buying should be. Well, the Spurs did what they needed
Speaker 2: to do. Desperate times, desperate measures. They played that way
Speaker 2: and they eke out the win one fifteen to one
Speaker 2: eleven thirty two for Victor Wembenyama. And in case you're wondering,
Speaker 2: I was curious. The Spurs were only a two and
Speaker 2: a half point underdog last night, and the Spurs are
Speaker 2: two and a half point underdogs tomorrow night. The series
Speaker 2: is far from over. In my opinion, I didn't think
Speaker 2: the Spurs would get swept. Still might be a six
Speaker 2: game series. But now you have a little bit of doubt.
Speaker 2: And I said yesterday to start the show, the pressure
Speaker 2: was going to be on the Knicks. Everybody showed up,
Speaker 2: the President's there, you got all your celebrities.
Speaker 3: This is a mere formality. The Spurs are broken, we're
Speaker 3: going to win.
Speaker 2: We're at home, we're in the garden, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden you forgot to deliver. You had everything there.
Speaker 2: It's like all the ingredients to make a great meal.
Speaker 2: They just didn't have a chef because the Spurs took
Speaker 2: it to.
Speaker 3: The Knicks last night.
Speaker 2: And yes, they're going to be complaints about the disparity
Speaker 2: and fowls called. You know, they were very similar in
Speaker 2: the number of fowls that were called. It was just
Speaker 2: what fowls were and weren't called. I think that was
Speaker 2: the big question mark that I would have where the
Speaker 2: Spurs physical. Absolutely, did Wenby get away with a push
Speaker 2: on Jalen Brunson. Absolutely, It's going to be this way
Speaker 2: in game four. Now it's the Knicks turn. It's a
Speaker 2: game of chess checkers. Now the Spurs know what the
Speaker 2: Knicks are going to do. They're going to be physical
Speaker 2: right from the beginning. Here's the trend that would concern
Speaker 2: me if I'm a Knicks fan. Game one, the Knicks
Speaker 2: were down by fourteen. Game two, down by twelve. Game
Speaker 2: three the Knicks down by twelve. So you needed brunson
Speaker 2: masterclass in closing games one and two to survive. Now,
Speaker 2: they came back in the second quarter and put up
Speaker 2: forty two. But you can't have this seesaw back and forth.
Speaker 2: You can't let san Antonio get up and then all
Speaker 2: that energy it takes to come back from down twelve. Now,
Speaker 2: they survived games one and two, certainly two.
Speaker 3: Last night.
Speaker 2: The Spurs played great defense, physical defense. Wemby was great,
Speaker 2: Stefan Castle, Dylan Harper. This is the contributions that you
Speaker 2: need if you're going to make this a six or
Speaker 2: seven game series. But the Knicks last night they didn't
Speaker 2: have it. Mikhae Bridges didn't have it. Brunson is still
Speaker 2: going to shoot, not shooting a good percentage. Karl Anthony
Speaker 2: Towns didn't have a good game. Landry Shammitt didn't have
Speaker 2: a good game. This was one of those games where
Speaker 2: you say, all right, that's one. That's one where we
Speaker 2: didn't look good. We had won thirteen in a row.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to what we did during that winning streak.
Speaker 2: But san Antonio knows, they know they let game two
Speaker 2: slip away. I thought they had a great look and
Speaker 2: Wemby with a pick and a pop, and he should
Speaker 2: have made that shot and we could be looking at
Speaker 2: san Antonio up two games to one. It's a strange
Speaker 2: thing happened on the way to the coronation. Strange thing
Speaker 2: happened on the way to the parade. You gotta make
Speaker 2: sure it's one game at a time. The Spurs aren't broken.
Speaker 2: The Spurs aren't going to be a mere formality. I mean,
Speaker 2: w won't allow that to happen. He's had a really
Speaker 2: good If you look at his numbers, they're really good.
Speaker 2: That's how great he is. That he's really good. And
Speaker 2: we think he's had a subpar performance in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 2: Still a lot of basketball left to be played now,
Speaker 2: the Knicks winning tomorrow night, you'd probably expect that. I
Speaker 2: expected the Spurs to win last night. Why I've been
Speaker 2: doing this for a long time. It's just weird things happen.
Speaker 2: You get a weird feeling. They even said to Dylan
Speaker 2: dyl I'd go money line on the Spurs. How did
Speaker 2: you do last night?
Speaker 4: I did take your advice there. I had the Spurs.
Speaker 4: I live bet them also when they were down, but
Speaker 4: I uh threw in a couple dearon Fox, I have
Speaker 4: a problem with I had a couple of parlays where
Speaker 4: that was the only leg that which.
Speaker 3: Is, you know what, shame on me.
Speaker 2: But he did hit maybe the biggest shot of the night,
Speaker 2: either him or Stefan Castle. And I'm thinking the last
Speaker 2: guy I think is going to hit a shot is
Speaker 2: Daron Fox, and he hit a big shot.
Speaker 3: When they needed it.
Speaker 2: But also Castle had a big shot as well in
Speaker 2: the final two minutes. Remember this is supposed to be
Speaker 2: too big of a stage for the young Spurs. Well,
Speaker 2: when this series started, I said, Dylan Harper's dad played
Speaker 2: in the NBA. He's from Jersey, He's played in the
Speaker 2: garden Stefan Castle played there at Yukon Biggie's Tournament, NCAA
Speaker 2: tournament games, and Wemby's been a pro for a few years,
Speaker 2: not only in the NBA but back home in France, Like, okay,
Speaker 2: you know. The only person I thought maybe it's too
Speaker 2: big a moment was Mitch Johnson, the Spurs head coach,
Speaker 2: because you haven't been in this situation before. But I
Speaker 2: don't think the Spurs are crumbling here. If the Knicks
Speaker 2: played great, then they're going to win Game four. But
Speaker 2: I've yet to see them actually play a great game.
Speaker 2: But it's coming and Brunson is going to have one
Speaker 2: of those games where you go, where's this been? Spurs
Speaker 2: know what they're doing on defense. These kids are playing
Speaker 2: great defense, physical defense, tough defense, and they'll continue to
Speaker 2: do that. Now it's up to Brunson, because when he
Speaker 2: makes those shots, we go, Wow, those are great shots.
Speaker 2: When he misses them, we're like, man, he's out of control.
Speaker 2: Well you can imagine that. After the game, everybody wanted
Speaker 2: to talk about the officiating. Here is Well, if you
Speaker 2: want to hear somebody get fined while they're delivering their
Speaker 2: line in the postgame press conference, here's the Knicks head
Speaker 2: coach Mike Brown.
Speaker 5: There were opportunities for fouls to be called to at
Speaker 5: least try to even the free throws out. To go
Speaker 5: twenty four free throw attempts in a second half, that's
Speaker 5: forty eight for the game.
Speaker 6: If you think about it, the way that they call that.
Speaker 5: Second half compared to eight all the shots we took,
Speaker 5: we got fouled four times roughly for eight free throws outs.
Speaker 6: Again, I don't complain much.
Speaker 5: I never thought i'd see that in an NBA Finals game,
Speaker 5: and I saw it tonight. It's tough to overcome when
Speaker 5: you're playing against a great team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna get fined for that. I understand what
Speaker 2: he's saying, but this is strategy. Now, I'm gonna talk
Speaker 2: to Tim Lageler. He'll join us in about fifteen minutes
Speaker 2: from now. I don't know how this impacts the officiating
Speaker 2: for the next game. I know Phil Jackson was a
Speaker 2: master at this, and back then they weren't fining you
Speaker 2: for saying things. Phil would say it in his zen
Speaker 2: like manner.
Speaker 3: Be nice if we got some of those calls that
Speaker 3: they're getting. I mean, that's all would take for Phil.
Speaker 3: But this is different.
Speaker 2: The commissioner's there, and you know all we've talked about
Speaker 2: flopping and that's not really a conversation. During the NBA Final.
Speaker 2: It was with Okac, but that's only because of one player.
Speaker 2: I don't think flop flopping is an epidemic. I think
Speaker 2: it is with SGA, but not in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 2: We haven't heard anything about that, which is good. I'm
Speaker 2: fine with that. But you start to look at the
Speaker 2: free throw disparity. Spurs had thirty two, the Knicks had
Speaker 2: twenty two at home. That normally doesn't happen, doesn't happen
Speaker 2: in the postseason. But I'm going to give credit to
Speaker 2: the Spurs aggressiveness. I thought the Knicks lacked a little
Speaker 2: bit of that. We got to win this now, because
Speaker 2: if you win last night, now you know you're winning
Speaker 2: the title.
Speaker 3: You know it.
Speaker 2: They're not going to beat us four consecutive games. And
Speaker 2: I would have played with that sense of urgency. And
Speaker 2: that's why I was saying the Knicks have more pressure
Speaker 2: because these Whenby even talked after the game, he goes,
Speaker 2: we're young. We don't know what we're not supposed to
Speaker 2: know or do.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 2: He sounds way more mature than twenty two when you
Speaker 2: hear him, like he's got a thought behind everything that
Speaker 2: he says. And then you find out that he's spent
Speaker 2: his day in Grammercy Park, which is I don't know
Speaker 2: how he got the key to Grammercy Park. You're supposed
Speaker 2: to have a key to open up the gate, and.
Speaker 3: Then you go in there.
Speaker 2: It's not a big park, and he went in there
Speaker 2: and he was painting. Did he have a beret on?
Speaker 7: Easy?
Speaker 3: Easy?
Speaker 6: Easy?
Speaker 3: He's gonna be doing nudes there, yes, Marvin.
Speaker 8: And I think a really important thing for the Spurs
Speaker 8: was getting off to a hot start and completely taking
Speaker 8: the crowd out because they were pumped the entire pregame
Speaker 8: two hours before the game started, and they took him
Speaker 8: out of the game asap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I wondered about that because the crowd, you
Speaker 2: you want that crowd on your side. It's you don't
Speaker 2: want that crowd against you at the garden because they
Speaker 2: came there to you know, watch it the coronation, like
Speaker 2: we're winning like this, this is Christmas Eve, We're open
Speaker 2: up presents. Then all of a sudden, you realize you
Speaker 2: don't get to open up the president. You gotta wait
Speaker 2: the next day. And now you have to win this
Speaker 2: next game. There's the pressure again because San Antonio gets
Speaker 2: to go back home, guaranteed, they get to go back home.
Speaker 2: And do you think the Knicks are gonna win again
Speaker 2: in San Antonio? Has any NBA team I'm just wondering
Speaker 2: out loud won three road games in the NBA finals,
Speaker 2: yues Marvin Man.
Speaker 8: Don't quote me, but I'm going to Okay, I think
Speaker 8: maybe the ninety three finals that was one of the
Speaker 8: crazier ones. I think the first three games were won
Speaker 8: by the road team.
Speaker 2: Okay, But did the eventual champion win three road games?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Paulie.
Speaker 9: I had the ninety three Bowls, winning games one, one, two,
Speaker 9: and five at Phoenix, and I got the ninety Pistons.
Speaker 2: Can I quote you Marvin. Now you can now. Okay,
Speaker 2: well that's a great bloop.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you're trying to win three games on the road, Okay, yes, yes, Dylan.
Speaker 3: I don't know though.
Speaker 4: The Knicks look pretty comfortable in San Antonio the first
Speaker 4: two games, especially compared to last night.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think in game two they look comfortable,
Speaker 2: not comfortable. But hey they won, Yes they did, Yes,
Speaker 2: they did. Well, I look at San Antonio lost that game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: get game one. Give that to the Knicks. So now
Speaker 2: you have the Spurs winning a game, and they they
Speaker 2: win in the most hostile atmosphere these kids have ever
Speaker 2: been in, and they are kids and they did it.
Speaker 3: Everybody's there, all the celebrities. The president's there.
Speaker 2: Robert Kraft is there. The Patriots owner Jimmy Johnson is there.
Speaker 2: Like there are a couple of randos, and I go,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, Jimmy Johnson, Robert Kraft, Yes, Paulie.
Speaker 9: There are a couple replays.
Speaker 6: Though.
Speaker 9: I know you're complaining about the refs if you're a
Speaker 9: Knicks guy, but there was a replay maybe eight minutes
Speaker 9: left in the fourth where Wenby hit that three and
Speaker 9: got fouled. Yeah, about to be a four point play
Speaker 9: and I didn't see it. They called offensive foul on
Speaker 9: Keldon Johnson and it was a great replay and it
Speaker 9: worked in the next favor. And then there was a
Speaker 9: replay maybe two minutes to go, ball went out of
Speaker 9: bounds off Dylan Harper. But if it was called off
Speaker 9: the Knicks at first, and then they replayed it, so
Speaker 9: the replays went in the next favor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Knicks got some calls.
Speaker 2: You tend to look at the totality of the game,
Speaker 2: but you know these calls when they were called, you're thinking, Wow,
Speaker 2: you know the basketball gods are against us.
Speaker 3: You got two calls that were the correct calls.
Speaker 8: Yes, Marvin, I think two things that are really going
Speaker 8: to stand out is the non flagrant call on Stefan
Speaker 8: Castle and the flagrant call on Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 2: Well, Brunson, I think it's a flagrant if you impede
Speaker 2: somebody's landing area after taking a shot, so it's not
Speaker 2: a foul. I believe that is a flagrant. And even
Speaker 2: though he doesn't look like he's trying to do it,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. You did it, and you know you
Speaker 2: got in his space, didn't Brunson get the call.
Speaker 3: Or no SGA.
Speaker 2: I think got a call in the previous series where
Speaker 2: it look Darren Fox. I think they called him for
Speaker 2: kind of you know, getting in and I'm fine with
Speaker 2: that call. Anybody who's been up for a jump shot
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden somebody sticks. Now, players used
Speaker 2: to stick their foot out, not that you would land
Speaker 2: on their foot, but you would think about that foot
Speaker 2: when you're coming down.
Speaker 3: So they did.
Speaker 2: Nicks did get some calls, the Wemby call, you know,
Speaker 2: somebody had to be up late at night for the
Speaker 2: Knicks editing all of these different plays together to send
Speaker 2: to the NBA today.
Speaker 9: Yes, Paulin going back to that flagrant on Brunson goes
Speaker 9: to close out champannee and he sticks his foot out
Speaker 9: and actually hits the back of Brunson's leg on the
Speaker 9: landing like he initiated the landing contact and Brunson got called.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's what Reggie Miller made a career out
Speaker 2: of that. He was going to get you up or
Speaker 2: he was going to flail into you. And some players
Speaker 2: you're taught if you're going up and somebody's into you,
Speaker 2: then you can, you know, be a little more overly
Speaker 2: dramatic and they got the call.
Speaker 8: Yes, Marvin, No, You're right about the actual rules, But
Speaker 8: I'm just talking about the optues and how it looks
Speaker 8: like Wait, Castle running Brunst it over wasn't a flagrant,
Speaker 8: I know, but Brunson turning his head and having his
Speaker 8: foot there was a flagrant. I'm just talking about the optics,
Speaker 8: not the rules.
Speaker 2: Well, even Cornette knocking you know, Josh Hard down and
Speaker 2: I'm like, at least help him up. Don't make it
Speaker 2: so obvious. It was like made basket and they blasted
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Speaker 2: just checked with the NBA that it's not always a
Speaker 2: flagrant foul, but any contact that impedes in airborne shooters
Speaker 2: landing space is a defensive foul only escalates to a
Speaker 2: flagrant foul if the contact is deemed unnecessary, excessive, or
Speaker 2: reckless by the referee. Tim Legler, shooter ESPN lead NBA analyst,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. I thought that that was just
Speaker 2: kind of a blanket flagrant foul if you impede, you
Speaker 2: don't allow somebody to come down in their space after
Speaker 2: taking a shot.
Speaker 11: Now, I think the main thing they're looking for, Dan
Speaker 11: is in a word you'll often hear when they're looking
Speaker 11: at those is reckless.
Speaker 6: That's the word that you're looking for them to say.
Speaker 11: If they feel like you had a general disregard for
Speaker 11: like where your foot was, and it was in somehow
Speaker 11: you know, dangerous to the shooter. You're going to get
Speaker 11: a flag or foul, but it doesn't always have to be.
Speaker 2: The physicality didn't surprise me from the Spurs, but I
Speaker 2: wonder if it surprised the officials last night that well.
Speaker 11: I don't know, you know, I don't know if it's
Speaker 11: surprised the officials. I think, look, this is a very
Speaker 11: physical team, but in general, the playoffs have been extremely physical.
Speaker 11: It's a lot different than what you're watching in the
Speaker 11: regular season. There's no question about it. And guess what,
Speaker 11: it has always been that way in the NBA. I
Speaker 11: can't think of a year in which that wasn't the case.
Speaker 11: And so now here we are in the finals you're
Speaker 11: talking about, we've already gone through three rounds, fourteen teams
Speaker 11: have already been eliminated, and so we've seen game after
Speaker 11: game after game, and the physicality has ramped up throughout
Speaker 11: the postseason. Last night, what we saw was an extremely
Speaker 11: physical game, but it's to me as physical as what
Speaker 11: we've been watching and certainly what we've watched in the
Speaker 11: first three games of the NBA Finals. And I think
Speaker 11: the physicality is allowed on both ends of the floor.
Speaker 11: It's not just San Antonio that's getting away with being physical.
Speaker 11: The Knicks are also being physical. And if you and
Speaker 11: I went frame I frame when we looked at the
Speaker 11: game last night like a Zapruiter film, We're going to
Speaker 11: see a lot of physicality on both ends of the floor.
Speaker 6: San Antonio has some defenders.
Speaker 11: It's a big part of what they are and who
Speaker 11: they are in their DNA, and it's better for them,
Speaker 11: certainly because of their size or strength or lateral mobility.
Speaker 11: If they can be more physical in the point of
Speaker 11: attacking the ball. It's going to help those guys because
Speaker 11: of the physical profile that they have. And I think
Speaker 11: I think people are looking at the game last night
Speaker 11: and thinking, in some way this was just one end
Speaker 11: of the floor. I didn't see it as just a
Speaker 11: one sided whistle all night long. It's an extremely physical
Speaker 11: game from the jump and San Antonio Spurs. I think
Speaker 11: we're the more physical team last night, and they set
Speaker 11: the tonal lead in the game.
Speaker 2: I mentioned this yesterday to start the show. People I
Speaker 2: think were surprised. I thought there was more pressure on
Speaker 2: the Knicks last night because the Spurs. Okay, we lost
Speaker 2: two at home. Now let's just play the Knicks. I
Speaker 2: mean we're hey, they're talking about sweeping. Hey, is Brunson
Speaker 2: going to get a statue? Hey, there's going to be
Speaker 2: a parade. The President's here. Like, there was so much there,
Speaker 2: and I thought the Spurs were probably going to just
Speaker 2: go and play where the Knicks. It just felt like
Speaker 2: I think they were kind of look at each other
Speaker 2: like when are we starting here? When are you going
Speaker 2: to do something? Or how about you do something? Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the Spurs went out and played, you know, pretty much
Speaker 2: a complete team game.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Look, I think sometimes the best thing you can do
Speaker 11: as a team when you're going through, you know, some difficulties,
Speaker 11: and clearly san Antonio at home two games, they can't
Speaker 11: close both games winnable. They don't get it done. The
Speaker 11: best thing you could do is get out on the road.
Speaker 11: It almost narrows your focus. The pressure cooker that was
Speaker 11: the garden last night, There's no.
Speaker 6: Doubt it was palpable.
Speaker 11: The expectation level for the home team and being on
Speaker 11: the precipice of this and how bad this fan base
Speaker 11: wants it and the environment in there last night.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and We talked about.
Speaker 11: That, like it's gonna be it's gonna be wild, Like
Speaker 11: people think, wow, you're going into some sort of a
Speaker 11: wood chipper here if you're an opponent, right, it's if
Speaker 11: you feel that as a home team too, And they
Speaker 11: felt that no doubt.
Speaker 6: But I don't even know that that was really what
Speaker 6: did it last night.
Speaker 11: For me, it was the San Antonio Spurs at the
Speaker 11: start of that game got something from their two best
Speaker 11: players that I think settled their entire team. When Victor
Speaker 11: Winbin Yama, Stefan Cassel come out and their intent is
Speaker 11: to play in the paint, get high percentage shots, show
Speaker 11: you that they're in control. It calms your entire team down.
Speaker 11: Your head, coach, your roster, the role players, everybody's like,
Speaker 11: hey man, our two best guys are here tonight and
Speaker 11: they're operating.
Speaker 6: We're in a good place now.
Speaker 11: They got hit with the left hook in the second quarter,
Speaker 11: and I said on SVP last night, sometimes your best
Speaker 11: friend is halftime, because because if that quarter had continued
Speaker 11: another four minutes the way the Knicks were playing, they
Speaker 11: might be down fifteen. So like the best thing was
Speaker 11: to look up and see Zeros on the clock, you're
Speaker 11: only down seven if you was first. Now they still
Speaker 11: had to come out for the third quarter, and that
Speaker 11: first six minutes was gonna be very telling for me.
Speaker 11: What happens here? Does this go out to fifteen eighteen
Speaker 11: and now it's three to zero and this series is over?
Speaker 11: Or can San Antonio almost recalibrate their offense again, get
Speaker 11: back to playing in the paint, get back to the
Speaker 11: way they played at the start of the game.
Speaker 6: And that's exactly what they did.
Speaker 11: At the same time, I thought the Knicks offense was
Speaker 11: very predictable last night in the second half of that game.
Speaker 6: I thought it hurt them.
Speaker 2: Talking to Tim Legler from the Mothership, their lead NBA analyst,
Speaker 2: here's another concerning trend here. Game one, Knicks down by fourteen.
Speaker 2: Game two, Knicks trailed by twelve. Game three they trailed
Speaker 2: by twelve. Great teams. I mean, it's hard to keep
Speaker 2: getting down and then coming back. And this is a
Speaker 2: good San Antonio team. Now, I wonder, and the pressure's
Speaker 2: back on the Knicks, like you have to win this
Speaker 2: game tomorrow night, right.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not gonna consider and say
Speaker 11: they can't win the series if they lose them all night.
Speaker 11: My goodness, because if they lose Themorrow night, we're we're
Speaker 11: four games in. No home team has won a game,
Speaker 11: so you know it's only one I think only one
Speaker 11: other time. If I saw the graphic right this morning,
Speaker 11: I was kind of my eyes were blurry.
Speaker 6: I kind of grabbed the remote Sports center.
Speaker 11: I think it said, there's only second time that we've
Speaker 11: had no home team win a game through the first
Speaker 11: three of the finals. You gotta go back to the
Speaker 11: ninety three finals. I believe so like this is incredibly
Speaker 11: unusual territory. So I'm not gonna make any predictions on
Speaker 11: what's gonna happen. If the Knicks lose Game four, you're
Speaker 11: then you're at a best of three and nobody's won
Speaker 11: a home game yet. It almost be honestly would almost
Speaker 11: be at that point, Dan, there would be so much
Speaker 11: pressure on every home team to hold it down. I
Speaker 11: don't even know what that would feel like. So I'm
Speaker 11: not gonna say that, but yeah, clearly, look you went out.
Speaker 6: Even if you just get one of the two, you've
Speaker 6: done your job.
Speaker 11: If you're the Knicks on the road to start this series,
Speaker 11: because at that point, you're going we don't have to
Speaker 11: win another game on the road, right, that's a great feeling.
Speaker 6: So and now you win two, well you got that
Speaker 6: luxuried out twice. Now at home, you just need to
Speaker 6: split at home and you're in the same boat. Listen.
Speaker 11: Yes, a lot of pressure, without question, and they're gonna
Speaker 11: have to play better. I think one thing that's been
Speaker 11: apparent to me Jalen Brunson is being guarded and hounded
Speaker 11: and she's expending so much energy as a primary bar handler.
Speaker 11: He has yet to have an efficient game in this series.
Speaker 11: And he is a superstar offensive player. And you know
Speaker 11: the way he's built and his balance and his strength,
Speaker 11: and you think he's not gonna wear down. You wear
Speaker 11: down when your usage rate is as high as it
Speaker 11: was last night and you're being handed off from one
Speaker 11: guy to the next. That are elite defenders. These are
Speaker 11: big guys who are strong the physical. Oh and by
Speaker 11: the way, if you do good by them, you've got
Speaker 11: a seven to five guy at the rim waiting for you.
Speaker 6: So I thought the usage rate was through the roof
Speaker 6: last night.
Speaker 11: They got away from Karl Anthony Towns touching the ball
Speaker 11: in the high post and some of the ways that
Speaker 11: he had been affected the first couple of games and
Speaker 11: throughout the playoffs.
Speaker 6: They got away from that last night.
Speaker 11: They've got to go look at their offense and I
Speaker 11: think they've got to make it somehow a little bit
Speaker 11: easier on Jailen Brunson so he can find his efficiency
Speaker 11: because it hasn't been there through three games.
Speaker 2: Help me understand this, And having been around Phil Jackson
Speaker 2: when he did it, certainly with the Bulls, but when
Speaker 2: you say something in a postgame press conference where you
Speaker 2: talk about the officials, I don't know it worked for Phil.
Speaker 2: But he also had Mike and Scotti, so you know,
Speaker 2: Mike Brown said, you know, he's never seen this happen
Speaker 2: in an NBA game the finals. But I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'm an official, Like, how do I take this
Speaker 2: if I'm the commissioner like my players? Like, is that
Speaker 2: message more for the fans than it is anybody else?
Speaker 2: Because I can't image and these officials going, you know,
Speaker 2: I think Mike's right, we didn't do a good job
Speaker 2: in that game.
Speaker 3: They don't want to be told that they did a
Speaker 3: bad job.
Speaker 6: I've never thought it helps that.
Speaker 11: That's just been my opinion my entire career as a
Speaker 11: player and covering this for the last twenty five years.
Speaker 6: I've just never thought that's really helpful. Here's some things
Speaker 6: that you need to remember.
Speaker 11: People are just you know, and I shouldn't say people,
Speaker 11: because it's really just it's people that support the Knicks,
Speaker 11: that are Knicks fans, like that's where you're gonna hear
Speaker 11: the noise today. For the most part, if you're completely
Speaker 11: objective in this, you got to look at some numbers.
Speaker 11: So the regular season, look at the two teams. The
Speaker 11: San Antonio Spurs were middle of the pack, just under
Speaker 11: twenty five free throws a game. They were thirteenth in
Speaker 11: the NBA in free throw attempts per game. In some ways,
Speaker 11: that does sort of talk to your style of play.
Speaker 11: The New York Knicks were twenty fifth in free throw
Speaker 11: attempts per game at twenty one a game. In the postseason,
Speaker 11: San Antonio of the sixteen teams that have played in
Speaker 11: the postseason, on average feet those per game, San Antonio
Speaker 11: is fourth of.
Speaker 6: Those sixteen teams. The Knicks are seventh.
Speaker 11: So to think that because I think sometimes the narrative,
Speaker 11: all of a sudden concerdently people like this was so
Speaker 11: wildly out of the narrative of how these two teams play,
Speaker 11: and I just didn't see it that way. Look, I
Speaker 11: understand Mike's point. That is a pretty big discrepancy in
Speaker 11: one half. Discrepancy in one half twenty four to eight,
Speaker 11: there's no doubt about it. But I don't think that
Speaker 11: that is ultimately helpful to your point. I don't think
Speaker 11: that all of a sudden people go, Okay, there's gonna
Speaker 11: have to be a market correction in the next game.
Speaker 6: And then, by the way, what if that happens. What
Speaker 6: if the New York Knicks in.
Speaker 11: Game four shoot twelve more free throws than the Spurs,
Speaker 11: are we automatically to assume right here as we see
Speaker 11: her before the game starts, all of those calls are correct.
Speaker 11: I mean, that's why you start playing this game, the
Speaker 11: pendulum game. You're not gonna win it because every night
Speaker 11: the opponents fan based is upset if they get the
Speaker 11: short end of the stick on the officiating.
Speaker 6: And also, I think when.
Speaker 11: You start talking like that, it's one thing to say
Speaker 11: I thought the game is poorly officiated. That's different than
Speaker 11: the narrative of our team got the short end of
Speaker 11: the stick, Because you're basically.
Speaker 6: Almost saying, like the rest care who wins?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's that's.
Speaker 11: When it starts to get dicey, because I generally don't
Speaker 11: believe that. I think they're out there trying to do
Speaker 11: the best job they can. They have let it ramp
Speaker 11: up to a level that if everything was called that
Speaker 11: should be right now, we literally would it would be
Speaker 11: the most boring broadcast in the history of sports. If
Speaker 11: that's what we did. It has really ramped up. Can
Speaker 11: they set the tone early, Dwan with some calls to
Speaker 11: try to rein it in a little bit with the
Speaker 11: with the physicality off ball, the grabs the on ball,
Speaker 11: two hands, they probably could rein it in early and
Speaker 11: the players would probably ge adjust to that on a
Speaker 11: given night. But you also could get some star players
Speaker 11: immediately found trouble and miss eight minutes of the first quarter.
Speaker 6: And you don't want that either.
Speaker 11: So I think that you got to be careful with
Speaker 11: this narrative and just look at the numbers for these
Speaker 11: two teams in terms of free throws on a nightly
Speaker 11: basis and how they play, and look, san Antonio outplayed
Speaker 11: them last night.
Speaker 6: I just think that should be the headline who wins
Speaker 6: tomorrow night?
Speaker 11: Oh, I'm not making predictions, not anymore when I'm in
Speaker 11: a studio, but I'm in a studio role.
Speaker 6: I could do that. I don't make forredictions there calling
Speaker 6: the game.
Speaker 11: Look, I will say this to finish with this about
Speaker 11: last night, I just think we have to give the
Speaker 11: Spurs an awful lot of credit.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 11: This is an incredibly young team. They had two games
Speaker 11: at home where they were up one with two minutes
Speaker 11: to go with the ball, lost tie game with the
Speaker 11: ball inside fifteen seconds and lost. Those are things that
Speaker 11: young teams might not recover from. And now you go
Speaker 11: into what we saw last night, which was the one
Speaker 11: of the wildest home court environments and energize I've ever seen,
Speaker 11: and you play that well at the start of the game.
Speaker 11: That was incredible to me. To sort of set the
Speaker 11: tone and then survive the big punch. They did that too.
Speaker 11: You got to give this young team a lot of credit.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 11: Their top three players are twenty two and under, and
Speaker 11: they went into that environment last night and they played
Speaker 11: their best game of the series.
Speaker 2: How would you describe that atmosphere if somebody didn't watch
Speaker 2: or wasn't there, it.
Speaker 11: Was I personally have never felt it felt to me
Speaker 11: before the game like the court had shrunk. That's how
Speaker 11: much activity and environment was around the the sidelines and baseline.
Speaker 11: It felt like there wasn't ninety four by fifty anymore.
Speaker 11: It was like thirty seven by eighteen. That's what the
Speaker 11: court felt like because of the amount of activity that
Speaker 11: was around the court, you know, and and the palpable energy.
Speaker 6: I thought Mike Breen had a great line. He's like,
Speaker 6: you can't necessarily measure it, but if you could.
Speaker 11: I don't know where you'd ever find it in an
Speaker 11: NBA setting that it was last night in that building.
Speaker 11: And that's why it was so critical for the Spurs
Speaker 11: to come out and not allow that energy that was
Speaker 11: built up prior to tip to just continue into the
Speaker 11: first eight nine minutes of the game, you know, when
Speaker 11: you're down twenty six to twelve, because it could have
Speaker 11: been lights out. They came out with such a calm
Speaker 11: demeanor about the way they were running their offense.
Speaker 6: Plus they had nine turnovers I believe on the night,
Speaker 6: nine on the.
Speaker 11: Road in that kind of environment with a young team,
Speaker 11: and they're also by the way prone to turnovers, and
Speaker 11: they have a game that clean where they control they
Speaker 11: take care of the ball and they make shots.
Speaker 6: I just thought that you have to give them all
Speaker 6: the credit in the world. I know that a lot.
Speaker 11: You're gonna be allowed to talk about the officiating today,
Speaker 11: and that's fine.
Speaker 6: Maybe people think it's too physical.
Speaker 11: I would probably agree over all the physicality and what's
Speaker 11: being allowed is too much.
Speaker 6: I would agree with that.
Speaker 11: But we can't get away from how well the Spurs
Speaker 11: last night they all played the Knicks, and the Knicks
Speaker 11: now have to figure out a way to get back
Speaker 11: to their normal rhythm offensively, because that's just three games
Speaker 11: in a row that the San Antonio Spurs have limited
Speaker 11: that some of that efficiency.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought the ball should have gone through Karl
Speaker 2: Anthony Towns more like It's almost like they got off script.
Speaker 2: And I've been saying for Wemby, I need you inside
Speaker 2: to then come outside. I don't need threes. It feels
Speaker 2: like when he needs a breather, he pulls up for
Speaker 2: a three instead of I mean, it takes a lot
Speaker 2: of energy to get inside, get banged around, but you know,
Speaker 2: you throw it up highly not nobody's gonna get it
Speaker 2: but him and Dan Dan.
Speaker 11: A couple things are to point out, like if you're
Speaker 11: you know, if you're a Knick fan today, Let's also
Speaker 11: go back and watch the game again and look at
Speaker 11: some of the mistakes the Knicks made in the first
Speaker 11: six seven minutes of the game. Defensively, they were over extended,
Speaker 11: you're trapping on the ball at half court and and
Speaker 11: and then Wemby twice was left in the middle of
Speaker 11: the lane as like an outlet pass for the guy
Speaker 11: that was trapped with nobody there. The first four touches
Speaker 11: were right at the rim. That hasn't been the case
Speaker 11: in the first two games. So and that wasn't because
Speaker 11: of officiating. That was because of mistakes or intent on
Speaker 11: the part of Victor Wembinyama, intent on the part of
Speaker 11: the San Antonios person. And you don't know if you're
Speaker 11: gonna make jump shots necessarily, that's that's a fickle thing
Speaker 11: in the NBA. So that's why getting higher percentage shots
Speaker 11: and playing more to your strength was key. And then
Speaker 11: they got you know this, Dylan Harper, I can't say
Speaker 11: enough about like how good this guy is going to be,
Speaker 11: particular if he figures out the deep shot, his physical presence,
Speaker 11: his speed is power, his rebounding and ability to then
Speaker 11: push it out of that is special. And he's twenty
Speaker 11: and he he got into that environment last night and
Speaker 11: he looked like very comfortable, like he could have his
Speaker 11: pajamas on. He was very comfortable last night in that
Speaker 11: environment for a twenty year old, very unusual to not
Speaker 11: be rattled at all, and he didn't.
Speaker 6: Look like he was other than in fact, he could
Speaker 6: make it three. But that's still the weakness in his game.
Speaker 6: That'll come down the road.
Speaker 11: I just thought, I just thought overall, they their purpose
Speaker 11: was better than the next last night. And look, the
Speaker 11: Knicks can adjust to that, get back to a little
Speaker 11: bit more off ball movement, less dominant ball handling by
Speaker 11: Jalen Brunson against top flight defenders, and see if their
Speaker 11: offense can get humming a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Again, great stuff, Thanks for sharing.
Speaker 6: Always, Dan.
Speaker 2: Anytime, that's Tim Legler on the call, NBA analyst for
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals.
Speaker 10: There.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those the Knicks getting off to
Speaker 2: a good start. Then you start to put a little
Speaker 2: doubt into the San Antonio Spurs. When San Antonio got
Speaker 2: off to the good start, I'm like, okay, now you're
Speaker 2: taking the crowd out of it. Now the players are like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, this is supposed to be a cakewalk.
Speaker 2: They're down, go too. We're in our building, everybody's here.
Speaker 2: We're supposed to win this. We're gonna sweep and be
Speaker 2: mentioned among the greatest single season teams.
Speaker 3: Of all time.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, now we got Game
Speaker 2: four and even more pressure on the Knicks. Will take
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Speaker 2: question for the first hour is what Dylan, Well, we've.
Speaker 4: Got some options Dan for starters. Which team do you
Speaker 4: have more faith in? Right now?
Speaker 3: Your Golden Knights are my Knicks both up to one?
Speaker 3: Hm h I'm gonna say the Knicks slightly.
Speaker 2: Did you know this hockey Stanley Cup Final I think's
Speaker 2: going seven games. Probably it's going to be tied three
Speaker 2: to three two minutes to go in the final period
Speaker 2: in game seven. I just think they're so evenly matched.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give the Knicks a little bit of an.
Speaker 6: Edge here, all right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get that they like there's like a there's
Speaker 4: a little more series long parody. It feels like in
Speaker 4: hockey maybe like no going down doesn't necessarily feel although
Speaker 4: that game that lost for the Knicks, that felt they're
Speaker 4: up to one still, but that felt like a shifting
Speaker 4: tide a little bit.
Speaker 2: As of ten fifty Eastern time last night, get in
Speaker 2: for Game four was thirteen thousand, seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: eight dollars. An hour later, the exact same seat six
Speaker 2: four hundred dollars fifty three percent drop. As of twelve
Speaker 2: fifty so two hours later the same ticket was down
Speaker 2: sixty percent. The get in was five thousand, five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: A couple of phone calls here Andrew in Washington, Hi, Andrew,
Speaker 2: what do you have for me?
Speaker 10: Oh, good morning, Dan Dnnett, Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 10: I just think that the Spurs played what they could
Speaker 10: equate as a perfect game, especially underneath the circumstances of
Speaker 10: Madison Square Garden and that crowd and just all the
Speaker 10: hype that went into it. I think they really showed
Speaker 10: some poise for being a young team, and just down
Speaker 10: the stretch they actually controlled the tempo, and that was
Speaker 10: going to be very important because that's what the Knicks
Speaker 10: had done throughout this whole time. Like you mentioned, the
Speaker 10: Knicks had come from behind in many many games during
Speaker 10: that thirteen game, Stan, and they did it by controlling
Speaker 10: the tempo and determining how the offensive sets would be run.
Speaker 10: And the Spurs kind of flipped that script last night.
Speaker 10: A couple of things that show how young the Spurs
Speaker 10: are Victor Webbin Yama is only the He's the second
Speaker 10: youngest player to have a thirty five assist and five
Speaker 10: rebound game, behind Magic Johnson who was younger, and then
Speaker 10: Stefan Castle and Victor were the only two teammates that
Speaker 10: have twenty plus points in a game and be under
Speaker 10: twenty two years old in the finals, shows how young
Speaker 10: they are. Then I have one request, maybe during this
Speaker 10: podcast snaffle, we can get one podcast just uploaded to
Speaker 10: another Dan Patrick's show, networked podcast, just so we can
Speaker 10: have a podcast before everything gets turned out.
Speaker 2: All right, Uh, Dylan, what's uh? What's the process here?
Speaker 2: What's the reason? What's the hold up here with the toodcast?
Speaker 4: It's a marketing ploy, Dan, Uh, Now it's I It
Speaker 4: was I accidentally merged the toodcast with the gambling podcast
Speaker 4: feed in an attempt to shift it over to a
Speaker 4: different hosting thing. So it's being worked out by smarter
Speaker 4: people at the moment, and we should be up and
Speaker 4: running any day now.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't like the sounds of that. That's all that.
Speaker 4: I'm just relaying the information and I okay, it's gonna
Speaker 4: be a good one though, alright.
Speaker 2: Uh, PJ in Atlanta, IPJ, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7: Uh, Landry Comet whatever his name is, he doesn't need
Speaker 7: to play twenty three minutes and go one for eight
Speaker 7: and get five files. That's why they lost. You got
Speaker 7: to make your free throws. I know they had probably
Speaker 7: ten more, but you got to make your free throws
Speaker 7: and uh, yeah, just you don't need to play that
Speaker 7: guy that much. That's why they lost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the bench has been playing well. Landry Shamman,
Speaker 2: you know they've had contributions here, So I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2: Although he's the kind of guy that I don't say, hey,
Speaker 2: keep shooting. I want to know if you're hitting your
Speaker 2: first couple and then you can keep shooting.
Speaker 3: Zach and Knoxville, Hi, Zach.
Speaker 13: ABP, thanks for taking my call. Just to switch gears
Speaker 13: a little bit and bring up the Brendan sowersby saga
Speaker 13: that's going on. Do you think that the NCAA Playoff Committee,
Speaker 13: if they happen to have a season worthy of making
Speaker 13: it to the CFP, do you think that they would
Speaker 13: possibly do something to keep them out.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: If this is far from over and I still and
Speaker 2: we'll have more on this later, but I still think
Speaker 2: this comes down to each conference should govern itself, and
Speaker 2: the fallout from Brendan Soresby being able to play this
Speaker 2: upcoming season. I think it's truly an embarrassment for Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: I think it's an embarrassment NCAA. Oh my goodness. More
Speaker 2: on this coming up a little bit later on. I'm
Speaker 2: going in the confessional hour two right after this