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Speaker 2: Donks, look at us now. Tip to Tim. This is

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Speaker 2: our life, this is our passion, that's the spirit we

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Speaker 2: bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: A buggery buggery, Donks, it is right now, Yes, for

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Speaker 2: Morning Combat. Friday, December eighteenth, twenty twenty. What a spectacularly

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Speaker 2: weird year we have had, so why not close out

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Speaker 2: this week with a weird episode of MK. Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 2: your host on Friday's The beij One, the BBC all

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Speaker 2: that good stuff, CBS Sports and Beyond have check, will

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Speaker 2: cash it. That's why I'm in La at the moment,

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Speaker 2: on the other side of the earth, though, or of

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Speaker 2: the US at the very least from the nation's capital.

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Speaker 2: That big old Harry Bastard next to me is CBS

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Speaker 2: Sports his own, a man of many enemies, though now mine.

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Speaker 2: At the moment, he is the great Luke Thomas and LT.

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Speaker 2: You get to just sit back and be the analyst today.

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Speaker 2: You're feeling it, You're fired up, you're.

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Speaker 1: Ready, pretty good. Yeah, I'm feeling good. Got some well.

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Speaker 1: The Triple G fights tonight is kind of dumb, but

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Speaker 1: the Canelo fights should be fun and the UFC card

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Speaker 1: is very very good, so very little lovely plain about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna preview all that stuff Showtime Boxing's return

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Speaker 2: as well this weekend. In Today's Friday show, orange background, No, Jay,

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Speaker 2: what else could you want? Right to start off your uh,

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Speaker 2: start off your weekend? That was, Hey, Luke? Have you

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Speaker 2: noticed though, a lot of buzz from that Malka Media

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Speaker 2: produced video of Dylan Danis getting hit with with the

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Speaker 2: water balloons is blowing up everywhere you see this.

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Speaker 1: You know how upset Jay is that he wasn't on

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Speaker 1: set to take credit for the orchestration of that and

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Speaker 1: the buzz that has happened for Malca. He is probably

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Speaker 1: at home writhing in agony, knowing he missed out on

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Speaker 1: a grand opportunity for attention.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll still in La Luke, at least until this

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Speaker 2: show ends, as I was part of the color commentary

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Speaker 2: team of course for Thursday nights NBC Sports Ring City

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Speaker 2: USA Boxing series, which, by the way, last night was spectacular.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Charles Conwell in the main event. I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking Luke on my way to the airport, though, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna be looking out, just in case Jake Paul comes

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Speaker 2: by with a big brown in a truck, you know,

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Speaker 2: looking to throw things at me. In fact, Luke, I've stuck.

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Speaker 2: I've stoked up on weapons, all right, just just in case, Luke,

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Speaker 2: all right, I've got so many. I've got so many

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Speaker 2: wave hos, Luke, I don't even know what to do

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Speaker 2: with them. Hey, wait, here's the weird one.

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Speaker 2: What who does I mean? This is breakfast? What is

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Speaker 2: going on here? Luke?

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Speaker 1: Come on, dude, that's poison Remember that? Who was it?

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Speaker 1: The German scientist who got poisoned by the Kremlin. You're

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Speaker 1: that guy, Jesus Christ, You're that. You're the half brother

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Speaker 1: of Kim Jong un, who got murdered in the Malaysian

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Speaker 1: prank show. That's that's who you are.

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Speaker 2: I love it. That's great stuff. Shout out to me.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to CBS Sports Showtime, Malka. If you want

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Speaker 2: to try Showtime, and I'm encouraging you to do exactly

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Speaker 2: just that thirty day free trial, go to showtime dot

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Speaker 2: com right now. Here's what you're getting folks. All right,

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Speaker 2: World Championship Boxing. Yes, really great documentaries, Hector Camacho all

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Speaker 2: that good stuff. But Luke, good lord, this comedy store

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Speaker 2: document docuseries on Showtime. I've been, I've been. I've been

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Speaker 2: making out with that thing all week here in the

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Speaker 2: Please see this.

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Speaker 1: I've not seen it yet. I've got it on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, put that to the top of your queue and

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Speaker 2: a hop on showtime, or pound some sand, whatever you

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Speaker 2: gotta do. Luke, your front yard very sandy these days

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Speaker 2: Luke's front yard and do some pounding. Also, Luke, we

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Speaker 2: want people wearing our likeness, our namesake. Okay, we want

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Speaker 1: No, not at the moment, but I certainly have a

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Speaker 2: great advertisement for the show? Me with like stained sweatpants

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Speaker 1: I feel like those dudes who are stand outside of

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Speaker 2: The Men's Warehouse. Yeah, yeah, that's great. That's great stuff

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Speaker 2: I think I want to do this show, Luke.

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Speaker 1: Oh, just liking subscribe?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Why don't you like this show? And why don't

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Speaker 2: No Jay Friday Saturday. The lot of fights going on.

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Speaker 2: A big one though, is UFC Fight Night Final UFC

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Speaker 2: I badly need to see, Luke. What are you feeling

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Speaker 1: This is an interesting one. I mean, Aldo is at

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Speaker 1: Yon fight. He got stopped with strikes. But the point

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's crazy, it's not crazy, but it's how

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Speaker 2: And you know, my colleagues Luke and yours too at

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give Marlon Vera a Fight of the Year

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Speaker 2: Luke this fight certainly offers fireworks. I mean, this version

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Speaker 2: there's an alien growing out of Mark Hamenock's forehead. This

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Speaker 2: Vera have the firepower to stand up for him to

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Speaker 2: of the Mcanough fight and he came out guns blazing.

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Speaker 1: Luke. Yeah, there's certainly that as well. Also, remember there

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Speaker 1: and I don't think that all together. That's the craziest

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Speaker 1: how many of those times do you win? And do

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Speaker 1: This one does. This is great matchmaking. The styles are right,

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what I like a lot, Luke. This

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Speaker 1: You've come a long way on Michelle Pereira, haven't you.

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Speaker 2: Well, I tried to get him on MK this week

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Speaker 1: So you should have just yes, you should have just

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Speaker 2: Hey, Luca A, you're gonna get off with your high

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Speaker 2: and mighty pronunciation. William and Mary education calling him peerrera

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Speaker 2: right now, though I don't know if I appreciate that.

427
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Speaker 1: Isn't it pareta or some shit like that?

428
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Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, respect South America?

429
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Speaker 1: Okay, please, I'll do my best. BC.

430
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Speaker 2: All right, Look, how for real is chaos? Williams. You're

431
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Speaker 2: a close follower of this game. People love this guy.

432
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Speaker 2: He made his name may be you know, hidden a

433
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Speaker 2: bit by the breakout years we've seen from the likes

434
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Speaker 2: of Hamzat Chimaiev and Kevin Holland in a different year, Luke,

435
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Speaker 2: I feel like we'd be celebrating him a little bit

436
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Speaker 2: more here entering this fight.

437
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's certainly right now sitting at what

438
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Speaker 1: ten and one? He ran through Abdul Razak al Hassen

439
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 1: in his last contest. He's beaten some other good fighters

440
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Speaker 1: as well, and he has gone to decision. In fact,

441
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Speaker 1: I think his last fight prior to going to the

442
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,719
Speaker 1: UFC against Jeremy Holloway was one of those. So you know,

443
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 1: it's got he's got some more run in the ability.

444
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Speaker 1: But so far, what he's shown in UFC is this

445
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 1: ability for quick, powerful, explosive wins with his with his

446
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 1: punching power, right, So that's sort of what he has shown.

447
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Speaker 1: What I'm looking to see is against a credential opponent,

448
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: and Michelle Pereira is sort of that. Not exactly what

449
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Speaker 1: can you do over the long haul, especially for our

450
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,640
Speaker 1: guy as physical as Pereira can be, right, he's very big,

451
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Speaker 1: very strong, extremely athletic. You know, what kind of a

452
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Speaker 1: disciplined game plan can you put together? Not the entire time,

453
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Speaker 1: but when you need it. Let's say discipline, attack when

454
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Speaker 1: you need it to get the job done. This will

455
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Speaker 1: be an interesting test. I mean, I mostly feel like

456
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Speaker 1: they put these two together because they feel like either

457
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 1: of them needed a fight and they'd be fun. And

458
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Speaker 1: reading too much more into it is not the point. Still,

459
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Speaker 1: you might be able to learn something depending on how

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Speaker 1: it goes.

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Speaker 2: Here's a fight no one's talking about bannaweight. It's Marlon Morie,

462
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Speaker 2: Rob Font, Well, Luke, it's just buried on this card.

463
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, we've seen we've seen some in and

464
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Speaker 2: out fight nights right that they fit in between the

465
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Speaker 2: pay per views, some loaded and fun, some are just

466
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Speaker 2: we're paying the bills and collecting the checks. Is this

467
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Speaker 2: a case of the matchmakers owing so many people one

468
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Speaker 2: more fight to the end of the year, so they're

469
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Speaker 2: just loading them up here?

470
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Speaker 1: Could be some people might have had COVID couldn't get ready.

471
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Speaker 1: It's hard to say. But dude, Rob Font, I mean,

472
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 1: here are his only losses in UFC, John Lineker, who

473
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Speaker 1: he went the distance with Pedro Munoz. He got submitted

474
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Speaker 1: by him, but okay, that was back in twenty seventeen,

475
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Speaker 1: and then he lost a decision to half fi Al

476
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Speaker 1: Sunset right with the distance. He's only got one loss

477
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Speaker 1: via stoppage. Meanwhile, he's got wins over Matt Schnell, Sergio Pettis,

478
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Speaker 1: Thomas Almeida, Ricky Simone. Dude, rough One is excellent. He

479
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 1: trains with the with Calvin Cator's team, the Tyson Chartier

480
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 1: guys up there in New England. He can box, He's

481
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Speaker 1: got good a good jab, good range management. Marlon to me,

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's another crossroads fight, right. It's a guy

483
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 1: like Rob font who's kind of always been knocking on

484
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Speaker 1: that door of like real elites at bansamweight and just

485
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: couldn't quite cross it. And now you've got a case

486
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Speaker 1: where Marlon has definitely been that guy, still probably is

487
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Speaker 1: that guy. But you feel like after the consecutive losses,

488
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Speaker 1: or I should say, the loss to san Haagen and

489
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Speaker 1: what was the other one he had? I forgot, But

490
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Speaker 1: the point being is you kind of feel like people

491
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Speaker 1: know who did he That was Cruse?

492
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Speaker 2: That was Cruse?

493
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hang on, I got in front of was.

494
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you Marlin has consecutive losses too, well, not consecutive,

495
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Speaker 1: but I had the loss to Henry. He got through

496
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Speaker 1: al though by the skin of his teeth and then

497
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Speaker 1: he lost to Sandhagging pretty badly. You know, you kind

498
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,239
Speaker 1: of feel like maybe the guy's been figured out at

499
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Speaker 1: this point, and you know, Rob fights a discipline game plan.

500
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Speaker 1: He understands what he's good at. Like, you know, he's tall, rangy.

501
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: That's a tough fight for either guy here. Man, Like,

502
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying. The matchmaking on this one

503
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Speaker 1: is just really outstanding.

504
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 2: And look, Maurice has plenty of reason to just let

505
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Speaker 2: his hands go here. I mean, you don't want to fight,

506
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 2: and how deep this division is at the moment, you

507
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 2: do not want to fall behind, so to speak, and

508
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: be suddenly on the prelim cards. Look, because there's just

509
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 2: so many names above you. I mean, freakin' Dilla Shaw's

510
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: coming back. Okay, bro, this thing's loaded right now, all right?

511
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Speaker 2: Uh luke. This main card opener is always going to

512
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 2: be interesting because it's Greg Hardy, the heavyweight who's on

513
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: a two fight win streak, trying to make this project work.

514
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: Here Marchen Tibura in front of him. Whatever, it's a

515
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: decent fight, But do you get down at all with

516
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Speaker 2: the media day comments coming out of Greg Hardy this week,

517
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Speaker 2: where He says a transition to boxing is imminent, and

518
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: he predicts a knockout of Tyson Fury Deontay Wilder.

519
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm not even I'm not even gonna play.

520
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: This game and Anthony's Joshua. Look, this ain't the Paul

521
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: Brothers here, Bro, you got to entertain this.

522
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Speaker 1: Come on, No, I don't and I'm not I'm not

523
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Speaker 1: even gonna answer the question. B See, it's a silly question,

524
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: and you know it is. If you want to talk

525
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Speaker 1: about the fight that he has, which he is a

526
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Speaker 1: decent chance he'll lose, I'll talk about that. But I'm

527
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: not even. I can't do it. I can't, dude. This

528
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: is the problem MMA media gets out there and I

529
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: saw a junkie wrote it up. Maybe other places wrote

530
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Speaker 1: it up to And these are fine sites. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can't even blame the sites because the way in

532
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: which sites make money now and this is what they

533
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: have to do. They don't make money off of selling ads,

534
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: and that supports everything the way that it used to

535
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Speaker 1: where ad selling was actually distinct from the actual work itself,

536
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: like classifieds, the two have become essentially merged, and so

537
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Speaker 1: the better your content does in terms of what kinds

538
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: of clicks you can get, and the more advertising you

539
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: can sell directly to that page, the better you will do.

540
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Speaker 1: So what has forced this erosion of standards where you

541
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Speaker 1: can say something absolutely fucking insane like I bang Santa

542
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: Claus's mom and I have it on video. You could

543
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: put that out there and they will just repeat it

544
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: because it's really really good for their bottom line. And

545
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: by the way, when I say good, I don't mean

546
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: like they're greedy. I mean like they need that kind

547
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Speaker 1: of content all year long in order to fucking survive.

548
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Speaker 1: That's just the reality of it. But that does not

549
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Speaker 1: mean I have any other editorial obligation because they amplified

550
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Speaker 1: it to dignify it here. And in case of the

551
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: Paul Brothers, well, one of them actually has an event

552
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: coming up with Mayweather. Okay, that's a little bit different.

553
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: There's something a little bit more to that. But in

554
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: this ship, he's just saying things, and I have to

555
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Speaker 1: dignify it. Now. No, I do not, No, I do not.

556
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Speaker 2: Wow, you're like mother effort, throw me on a bed

557
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Speaker 2: full of firearms. All right, all right, Luke, I guess

558
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: so Jesus, yeah, you really, I mean, it's not like

559
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: I'm bringing up d define again.

560
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Speaker 1: You know you're gonna You're gonna get us fired. They're

561
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Speaker 1: gonna get us fired. Please don't get us fired a.

562
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Speaker 2: Right, Luke? So yeah, no shortage of storylines. Also in

563
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: that pre main event, Anthony Pettis back against Alex what's

564
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: his name Alex Morono. Luke, I saw Pettis come out

565
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 2: and say I need to be a better manager of

566
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: my career. He says he was drunk as shit when

567
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 2: he accepted the Tony Ferguson fight on last minute notice

568
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: and really hasn't been a great steward of his career. Luke,

569
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Speaker 2: do you think we'll look back on Anthony Pettis all

570
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: things considered as a disappointing run from the top of

571
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Speaker 2: the mountain of the Wheati's Box and what's happened since?

572
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, or just that the Wheaties box promotion

573
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: came too late. I mean, it wasn't like, dude finding

574
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: the guy or the lady that you're gonna get behind

575
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: as a sponsor in MMA. It's hard to do, man,

576
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, like they did it for Brian Ortega and

577
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: then he goes in there and just gets demolished by

578
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: Max Hollowy, but he's not done. You know, he took

579
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Speaker 1: all that time off and he came back and he

580
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: gave Korean Zombie a nice beating. So it's like it's

581
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: just hard to know which is why, Like doing it

582
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: for the best heavyweight ever who also, by the way,

583
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: had a loss during his run with Modello, but still

584
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a safe bet. Or Aman

585
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: de Nunez, who is basically the safest bet in MMA

586
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: right now. Like that's what you have to do. It's

587
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: just hard. So it's like, you know, did we thees

588
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: absolutely mistime it? I mean they're about that that can

589
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: be no doubt. Do I blame them necessarily? Like if

590
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: you don't know much about MMA, you're looking for the

591
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: what appears to be the next big thing based on

592
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: what everyone's probably And by the way, you know, what's

593
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: the UFC telling them that? I Mean, here's the thing, Like,

594
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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what the genesis of that deal is,

595
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: but I've had enough conversations with sponsors when I was

596
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: running a website to know that a lot of them

597
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: want sort of UFC sign off on whether or not

598
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: it's okay to work with this partner or that partner.

599
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: Like my hunch is at the UFC had a little

600
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: bit of a hand in saying, you know, steer your

601
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: attention to this direction versus that one. So it's like,

602
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: do I really blame them? I don't really blame.

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Speaker 2: Them, Dude, Luke, Unless you grew up in the eighties,

604
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Speaker 2: I guess you won't understand what being on the Wheaties

605
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 2: box cover met, even though people still have been on

606
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: the Wheaties box cover all the way through Anthony Pettison beyond.

607
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: Do you remember specifically any boxes you went out of

608
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: your way to buy? Like I bought the Larry Bird

609
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: one when he retired, I bought the Dream Team one.

610
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 2: I remember Mary Lourettin and Sugar Ray Leonard being all

611
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: over Wheaty's boxes when I was, you know, very small.

612
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: Even though Wheaties is really a gross and bland cereal. Yeah,

613
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: I don't know how it's remained popular. Like did you

614
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: go out of your way to buy the Bruce the

615
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Jenner box? Look what happened? No?

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Speaker 1: I didn't, because let me just say, Wheaties sucks ass.

617
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: It's a shitty cereal. It doesn't hold up well in milk.

618
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: It needs a lot of help with either fruits or

619
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe even some kind of sweetener or whatever.

620
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: The fuck Wheaties sucks balls. It is a very very

621
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: awful cereal, and.

622
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: So grow some some dried fruit in there. Please, Wheaties,

623
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Speaker 2: give me something, all right.

624
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: I know, like raisin brand is not good for you,

625
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: like the two scoops of raisins, but at least she

626
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: got two scoops of raisins. Wheaties was like, yo, you

627
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: know that mud that's kicked on your shoe from walking

628
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: around outside two days after it snows, that's gonna be

629
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: your wheaties after five seconds of sitting in milk. Man,

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00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: Fuck Wheaties. So no, we were not a pro Wheedies household.

631
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there goes our sponsorship here on Morning Combat. All right, look,

632
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: let's transition to some UFC news that came out this week.

633
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: Your friend Dana White was talking to TMZ no sorry

634
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Speaker 2: BT Sport, and he said this about Rose nama Unis,

635
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: your former women's strawweight champion. What I'm hearing is Rose

636
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: does not want a title shot. White said, Rose does

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Speaker 2: not want to fight for a title. He went on

638
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: to say that essentially he's hearing from Roses camp that

639
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: she's just not feeling it. Luke, and we're talking about

640
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: a Wayley Jong fight, which which I think, Look, if

641
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: you're looking at twenty twenty one, that's among the best

642
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: frickin fights you can make in this entire sport. I

643
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: need to see it. Only here's the problem, Luke. Team

644
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: nama Unis is like, bro, what the hell are you

645
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: talking about. They subsequently came out in an interview directly after,

646
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: and you had Pat Berry, nama Unis's coach and fiance,

647
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: saying this is absolutely not true. We absolutely want the

648
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: title fight. Who would turn down a title fight. We

649
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: just don't want to air this out publicly. If there

650
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: was some confusion, they can call us to clear it up.

651
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: Now here's the maybe a kicker in this, Luke. Part

652
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: of that BT Sport interview, Dana said, now that nama

653
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: Unis doesn't want it, we're probably gonna target former champion

654
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: Carlo Asparza. Luke, Are you connecting the dots and getting

655
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: the feeling like this is Dana thinking, let's get Wailey

656
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: Jiang a softer comeback fight that we can promote big

657
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: in China against a former champion and then we'll do

658
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: the rose one down the line. I mean, I'm trying

659
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: to get inside the mind of a madman here.

660
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: Right, to be fair, we would just be speculating no

661
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: matter what. But insofar as speculation is concerned, and we're

662
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: putting that caveat out in front, I don't think that's

663
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: a bad theory at all. Be see, I really don't,

664
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: because first of all, Dana was like, oh, Robert Whitaker

665
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: doesn't want a title shot, and Rob Whitticker was like,

666
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: I literally never said that, Like I didn't even say

667
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: anything even approximating that. And Roses Camp it wasn't like

668
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: they hesitated or came out later and was like, yeah,

669
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: we don't really want to get into it. They immediately

670
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: challenged it. They're like, no, that is really not at Aultrull.

671
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: You guys know how it goes. It's like, oh, we

672
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: offered you x fight at why location was the opponent

673
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: and whatever reason you turned it down, which was you

674
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: don't want to travel, or you're not gonna be ready

675
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: by then, or you thought that a opponent was beneath you, whatever.

676
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: Maybe you got lowball, Luke. This is a smart method.

677
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: If you're looking at lowball fighter right.

678
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: Again, the money wasn't right. Whatever the case, If you

679
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: say no, Dana will turn around and say, oh, they

680
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: didn't want They didn't want this opportunity, They didn't want

681
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: to reach for this glory. It wasn't in them right now,

682
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: That's how they'll frame it versus. Well, know, we just

683
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,239
Speaker 1: didn't like the terms of the deal, not that there

684
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: weren't parts of it we couldn't necessarily get behind. Now.

685
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: In fairness to the UFC, yes, I mean, obviously the

686
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: only fight to make at this point is it with Rose.

687
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: But if you are trying to mature the Chinese market,

688
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: PC to your point, and that fight against j Wanni

689
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: and Jcheck was an absolute I mean, you know, not

690
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: just good, but the damage they did. Jesus Christ. They

691
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: went out there and clubbed each other for twenty five minutes,

692
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: giving her a bit of a soft re entry. Dude,

693
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: that's what they would do in boxing. Like, I'm not

694
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: even necessarily all that mad at it, to be honest

695
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: with you, I don't know that I want MMA copying

696
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: all of box boxing's practices, whether they're best practices or not.

697
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: But if that's your theory, and I think it's a

698
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: decent one. Could you be all that mad at him

699
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: for it? You know, you don't have to throw Rose

700
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: under the bus to get there. And I don't support that.

701
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the craziest thing to want to

702
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: give jang Way Lee a little bit of a softer reintroduction.

703
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: It's the same thing I always say about these promoters

704
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: in general, in both combat sports. It's like, if you're

705
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: gonna lie, please do it really well so I'll accept it.

706
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: But if not, just tell me the damn truth, Like,

707
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: just straight up to tell me the truth of what

708
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: you're doing, and then it's easier to accept. Now, look,

709
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: full disclosure. We're speculating maybe Dana got wrong information whatever,

710
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: although we have seen this practice before out of him.

711
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: That's why we're saying this. But I think it's potentially

712
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: dangerous when we're talking about an athlete like Rose Luke.

713
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: If this is just Dana playing the public headlines fake

714
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: news game, only because if you heard and I want

715
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: to ask your immediate reaction when you saw this headline,

716
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: if you hear that about Rose knowing she's had, you know,

717
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: mental health challenges in the past and has been very

718
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: motivated or very unmotivated at various points in her journey

719
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: to get the best out of her. And you know,

720
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 2: coming off of this androge Re match where she had

721
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: to walk through hell and that round three, I was

722
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: already starting to build the narrative of you know, I

723
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: think that reminded her how much she loves fighting, what

724
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: she can do, and she needed that blah blah blah.

725
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: Yet when you hear a headline of you know, Rose

726
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: might not be looking in that direction, my first thought is,

727
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: all crap, you know, is she ever gonna put it

728
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: on the tracks and figure out how great she could

729
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: be for sustained period. That's why with someone like her,

730
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: if this is fake news, I think it's damaging fake news.

731
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I how damaging it is is an open question.

732
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: I tend to think that it's a good question, dude,

733
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: I really I don't know the answer to that. How

734
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: damaging is it? That's there's an open debate to be

735
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: had about that one. I'd have to think about it more.

736
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: I think it will be case by case. Sometimes it

737
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: can be very damaging. Sometimes it just never sticks. So

738
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: where is this one in that continuum? Hard to say.

739
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: And if she gets back out there and fights again

740
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: or ends up getting the title shot, then probably all

741
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: this is for naught. But yeah, that's a good question, dude.

742
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: I honestly, I candidly don't know the I wonder what

743
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: you think about it because I don't. I don't, I

744
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: don't know.

745
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 2: I think. I mean, look, am I being extra sensitive

746
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: because Rose has been open and been through some things?

747
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: And maybe am I being extra sensitive because she's a female?

748
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: I don't know. I jried, I don't. I'd have to

749
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: examine myself on the on the chair. But I just

750
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: think it's potentially dangerous to somebody who you know, has

751
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: had some highs and if this is false and fake news,

752
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: but a lot of speculation here, it's part of the

753
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: promotional game. Let's roll on and move forward. But before

754
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: we do, Luke, do you love that fight anywhere as

755
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: much as I do? While Jean rosanama unis, I think

756
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: it is spectacular of a style matchup, and I think

757
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: Rose is trouble for the champ. I really do, Luke.

758
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: I mean, is it the best fight you could make

759
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: in Women's MMA?

760
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: Damn right? It is?

761
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: Right? Probably, I mean you could make a case for

762
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: Kayla and Amanda Nunaz being a potential on that list.

763
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy, but like as a surefire

764
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: top of the food chain, one of the best women's

765
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: fights you can make, right now, That's that's the one.

766
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: I mean. I struggle to honestly think of a one

767
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: that'd be better than that one, at least on paper

768
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: ahead of time.

769
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: Valentina Amanda three maybe the only one.

770
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: Okay, but the first two were the first one wasn't boring,

771
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: but it was short, and the second one was boring, Like, well,

772
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: it depends.

773
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: If you have a palette for high level skills, Luke,

774
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: and and you know technique.

775
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, is that what it is? Is that

776
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: what it is?

777
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: Perira?

778
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, either way, you could put that on the list.

779
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: I suppose, certainly for anticipated fights. But in terms of

780
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: just on paper, how good it would be? Shit, dude,

781
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: I struggle to think of one better.

782
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I am currently rock hard with emotion like j

783
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: Kger thinking about this fight. Luke, I have a phoner.

784
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: You're a disgusting, disgusting man.

785
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: All right, all right, look, yeah, hey, you know what

786
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: we got this weekend, Luke. We got a big boxing

787
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: match the Zone back in the ring. They got two

788
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: cards back to back nights. Let's focus on the Saturday

789
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: one Alamo Dome in San Antonio. And it's big news

790
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: because it's the return of your pound for pound king,

791
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: a global icon, Canelo Alvarez, thirty years old, back for

792
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: the first time Luke in over one year, and back

793
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: on on big stakes. Because it's a short term turnaround.

794
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: It's a dangerous opponent in Callum Smith. And given everything

795
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: Canelo has been through getting his promotional and network free agency,

796
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: when we thought he was probably headed to a long

797
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: term court battle with the Zone and Golden Boy, this

798
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: has just been a wild turn of events. Not only

799
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: did he get free, but he went back to the

800
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: team he just divorced at the Zone who couldn't pay

801
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: him the guaranteed money, and sat down at the negotiation

802
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 2: table and got a really good deal and said when

803
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: I talked to him this week on Morning Combat that

804
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 2: it was the biggest and best deal available for right now.

805
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 2: So he took it on a one off. We can

806
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: talk about that, but we've already been up and down

807
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 2: those roads. It's time to talk about the damn fight, Luke.

808
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 2: You saw these two stand next to each other, seven

809
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: inches taller from unbeaten Callum Smith from England, the youngest

810
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 2: of the fighting Smith brothers. All four of them either

811
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 2: world champions or world title contenders. Callum might be the

812
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: best of the four. Is he good enough though, to

813
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: make this a real damn fricking fight on Saturday? Uh?

814
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean listen, it was like that scene where

815
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: was a Game of Death. I think that's the movie.

816
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: I could be getting it wrong, so please don't diet

817
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: it wrong with me. But where Bruce Lee is standing

818
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: next to Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Like, dude, they look like

819
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: not just two different weight classes, I mean two different species.

820
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. He's got like an eight inch reach advantage

821
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: and a seven inch height advantage, which is astronomical in boxing.

822
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: It's a huge jump. And yet Canelo is favored somewhat

823
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: considerably to win. So I was thinking about this fight, like,

824
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: do I think it'll be an interesting test? I absolutely do.

825
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: Partly I think Canelo can take portions of fights off,

826
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: especially a little bit later. I think he's stronger in

827
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: the first six rounds than he is in the last six. Again,

828
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: not always, not every time, but as a general rule

829
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: I would stand by that. Obviously, you're gonna see the

830
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: jab be a big component. But I also feel like

831
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: Canelo is gonna have a real eventually, not an easy time,

832
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: but he's gonna be very effective at corraling and sort

833
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: of smothering I think Smith at times. And I'm also

834
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: expecting big body work, Like one of Canelo's best punches

835
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: is that left hook to the liver. He's got good

836
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: setups on, he's got a good ability to slip and roll,

837
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: and I think you're going to see him getting inside

838
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: that distance and just absolutely crushing him and then and

839
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: only then when he can slow him down, corral him

840
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: and bring his hands down a little bit. So I

841
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: really think you're gonna see him open up upstairs. And

842
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: at that point, you know, we're talking about one of

843
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: the best power punchers, even up to one hundred and

844
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: seventy five pounds, So should be interesting. It is a

845
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: test for Canelo, but you know as well as I

846
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: do BC, even if it's close, the judges are just

847
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: gonna give him the nod anyway, So as long as

848
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: it's not close, he gives a shit.

849
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I asked Calvin Smith about that, because you

850
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 2: have to ask a Canelo opponent in the modern era.

851
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: And by the way, I don't say this to take

852
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: away from Canelo. He's my pound for pound king. I've

853
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: gone on record so many times and saying this is

854
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: his era, right Floyd and Manny handed it off to him.

855
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: He's been a tremendous drawn as a pay per view king.

856
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 2: He pretty much always takes on the toughest challenge available.

857
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: And let's be honest, he's the pomp for pound number

858
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: one because he carries his power up weight classes. He

859
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: can boxha, he can walk you down and get you

860
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: out of there. But with all those compliments, said Luke,

861
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: every single close fight Trout Laura Danny Jacobs both Glove

862
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: can fights, Canelo has received the benefit of the doubt,

863
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: getting either a draw in the case of the first

864
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 2: Triple G fight, or a close decision win. And obviously

865
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: we always point to even the Floyd Mayweather fight fight

866
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: that every single person had twelve nothing or eleven to

867
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: one pretty much for Floyd. Cj Ross gave Canelo six

868
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: frickin rounds. So I did ask Callum, say, look, dude,

869
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: do you have to finish this guy? And you know

870
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: he gave a very I mean, he gave a response,

871
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 2: Luke that I don't want to hear, but I get it.

872
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 2: He's like I would say yes if I was somebody else,

873
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 2: if I was watching somebody else fight Canelo, I would say, yes,

874
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: you need a knockout, but he goes. I believe in

875
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: my craft. I believe that the statement I'm gonna make

876
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: in the ring is gonna be good enough, and the

877
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 2: judges are gonna believe it. Sorry, Calum Smith without a

878
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: couple of knockdowns, I mean, you're just not gonna do that.

879
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: So let's talk realistically, And I think the realistic path

880
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: if you're gonna be a Calm Smith backer for a

881
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: big upset is can he get him out of there.

882
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: He's a good puncher, Calm Smith, Luke, not a great puncher,

883
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 2: but I think he's way tougher than a Rocky Fielding

884
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: who Canelo walked through and folded on. I was gonna say, oh,

885
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: by the way, Calm Smith also knocked out Rocky feeling

886
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: quicker and before Canelo ever did knocked him out one round.

887
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: But I think Calm Smith has potential because of the

888
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: size difference, in the fact that he's never lost, he's young, hungry,

889
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: decently athletic has, like I said, decent power. He's gonna

890
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: be a toughout. Canelo is gonna have to work for

891
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: a while to get inside. You want a comparison, look

892
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: at Canelo against Sergei Kovalev. Right, beautiful knockout late, but

893
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: until we got there, Kolefalev was boxing with his longer

894
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: range from distance and really having a pretty good time

895
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: at it, keeping Canelo away until Canelo figured out how

896
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: to get inside and get to his chin. I feel

897
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: like this fight may end up playing out that same way.

898
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 2: And I think if you're Callum Smith and you don't

899
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: think at it some form, at some point, I've got

900
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: to gain respect. I've got to draw a line in

901
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: front of me. I've got to make Canelo pay if

902
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: he comes forward. I think you have to be thinking

903
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 2: I need to knock out Luke, because not only has

904
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: history told you you can't get a win by decision

905
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 2: over Canelo, but if he doesn't do all the things

906
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: I just said, if he doesn't land significant right hands

907
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: early to make Canelo not come forward and get inside

908
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: on him, the jab's not gonna be effective. He's not

909
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: gonna have a chance anyway. So if I'm team Callum

910
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 2: here at Luke. The odds are against me. I might

911
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: look at this as I got to get him into

912
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: a bit of a brawl. I mean, look, but I

913
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: gotta do it from the outside. I've got to be

914
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 2: active and aggressive. I cannot box this man. I have

915
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: to treat him like the smaller fighter. Will that strategy

916
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: ge him knocked out if he employed at Luke? Or

917
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: you're just gonna try to finish and hope you get

918
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: the the score. You're not gonna get the scorecards.

919
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't brawl at all. No, you're gonna get

920
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 1: knocked the fuck out brawling. Uh, I wouldn't do that.

921
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: To be candid with you, I think I think you

922
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: just have to sort of see if you can get

923
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: it done working behind the jab. But you know, here's

924
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: the thing, not so much backing up. I think you

925
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: have to pressure Canelo a little bit. So brawling no pressuring. Yes,

926
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: I do think you have to do that because if

927
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: you're sitting behind the jab, but he's walking you down

928
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: and then he lands even one to your two right,

929
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: I don't mean the punch as in jab and cross,

930
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: but I mean he he'll eat two shots to land

931
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: his one, just the optics of it, you know, especially

932
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: if it's a smaller guy, they're gonna make that count more. So, No,

933
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: you need to be you need to be a bit

934
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: of a bully in there behind that jab. So we'll

935
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: see if he can do it. The question for u

936
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: BC is not what do you think is next if

937
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: he wins? Because I know Triple G has a fight

938
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: coming up. We'll talk about that in just a second.

939
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: Forget all that for just a moment. Let's imagine the

940
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: world where he wins. What fight do you want to

941
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: see next? Not what you think boxing wants to see,

942
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: not what you think is important for boxing, not what

943
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,479
Speaker 1: the promoters can make. Forget all that you are king

944
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: of boxing for a day, the day of let's say

945
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: this coming Sunday, and you get to decide what is

946
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: next for Canelo Alvarez following a victory? What is your

947
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: Christmas list? Number one? Sitting on Santa Claus's lap go.

948
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: To Well, I'll tell you what it's certainly not Arthur

949
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: better be for anybody at light heavyweight. I think he

950
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: can compete at light heavyweight as a smaller guy with

951
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: a big punch like he did against Covil if he

952
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: needs to, but I don't see that as realistic. Also, Luke,

953
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: I don't think he wants to make one sixty anymore.

954
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 2: You know. I talked to him on Morning Combat this week.

955
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: He said, my twenty twenty one plans are to stay

956
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: at sixty eight and unify titles. So the whole idea

957
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: of what could be next for him, I think it's

958
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: more likely a PBC turn rather than I mean, like

959
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: he's gonna entertain offers from his own people want him

960
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: to fight TRIPLEG at third time. Danny Jacob's still around,

961
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: but I don't think that's anything that expands his brand

962
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: or his legacy or his legend. There are some fun

963
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 2: unasked names under the PBC banner at one sixty eight

964
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: that either have titles or have had. Luke, a Caleb

965
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: Plant fight that was almost made for this December because

966
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: Canelo wanted it. That's a big pay per view, I believe.

967
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 2: I mean, Caleb Plant can box, He's marketable. I kind

968
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: of really like that fight, Luke. That's a style I

969
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: kind of want to see against him, somebody who's quicker

970
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: than him, who can box, and I want to see

971
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: him against David Benavidez, who had the WBC title, got

972
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: stripped of it when he missed the way on the

973
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: scales for that showtime fight we saw Luke, and now

974
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: that title is actually not only put vacant, but Canelo

975
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: will be competing for it along with Callum Smith's full

976
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: WBA title. So what do I want Luke. I want

977
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: him to go to PBC. I want him to fight

978
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: Caleb Plant and David Benavidez in twenty twenty one, and

979
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: I want to start kind of banging the drum for

980
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: Canelo versus Jamal Charlow. You hate me for that.

981
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: No, I like it. I'll give you my wish list

982
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: and you're gonna say I'm crazy. This is what I

983
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: want to see. I'm not asking anybody to agree or

984
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: find wisdom in it. I'll just tell you like what

985
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: I would love to see. Butterby have versus Cane would

986
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: be my number one for all the reasons you said

987
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: you would not want to see it. That's why I

988
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: do want to see it. But okay, right after that,

989
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: Charlo is the one that I have my eye on.

990
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: I'm okay with a third triple G fight if that's

991
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: where they end up going. I don't think that's any

992
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: kind of scandal at all. It'd be fine, Caleb Plant,

993
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: I could take her to leave it. You're the world's

994
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: biggest Kleb Plant fan I've ever seen in my life.

995
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't find out five particularly interesting. Maybe competitive, but

996
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: not that interesting to me.

997
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: It's like hardy, big Kalb Plant fans.

998
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, well it's like, I'm not saying he has

999
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: the same style as Danny Jacobs, but you'd get the

1000
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 1: same satisfaction that you got out of Canelo versus Danny Jacobs,

1001
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: which is to say not that much.

1002
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: It was a close ass fight. Look, I scored a

1003
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: draw live all right.

1004
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: I understand it was close, and I think two of

1005
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: the judges had at one fifteen to one thirteen. It

1006
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: was very very close. But in the end, was that

1007
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: like a thrilling contest? Like, fuck, no, it wasn't thrilling.

1008
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: So so I'm not there on that one. But so

1009
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: though my top three would be the Terebaev Charlo, the

1010
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: Benavidez one is interesting. I like that as well, and

1011
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: then Triple G.

1012
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: All right, all right, I love that. And by the way,

1013
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 2: I think the Kellum Smith odds in The general feeling

1014
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: Luke like he's got a chance, but Canello should beat

1015
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 2: him comes off the fact that Calm Smith's last fight

1016
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 2: a title defense against Great Britain's John Ryder. He looked flat,

1017
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: he got a disputed decision. A lot of people thought

1018
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: Ryder outworked him. So it's you know, it's a lot

1019
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: of what have you done for me lately? You know

1020
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 2: this isn't This wasn't the same Calum Smith that walked

1021
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: through George Groves or or hasan endam a couple of

1022
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: years back.

1023
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: So also he took it out. He took it on

1024
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: short notice too.

1025
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he had stayed in the gym knowing something

1026
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: big could happen, so kudos to him for that. His

1027
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: brother Liam Beefy Smith got sent to hell by Canelo

1028
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: four years ago via body shot, Rocky Fielding got folded

1029
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 2: in half, and Luke, ultimately my prediction is Canelo gets

1030
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: to that body. I think it's gonna take though its

1031
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 2: rounds ten to eleven to do it, and I think

1032
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: he stops Calum Smith just the same. Canelo always going

1033
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: big though, big fan of Big Red, so shout out

1034
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: to that ginger. All right, Luke, let's keep the train moving.

1035
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: Thursday night, the night before on.

1036
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: His own Friday Friday.

1037
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: Sorry, Friday night, Thursday was last night, Luke, Yeah, all right,

1038
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: Hey tonight, Luke tonight so hard rock Seminole in Florida.

1039
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: It is Ganadi Glufkin putting his wb uh ib O

1040
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: IBF ib Yeah, the ib O s BS, the IBF

1041
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: middleweight championship on the line against a Polish mandatory contender, Camille.

1042
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: Zere Shia Metta Sharu me.

1043
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, scaramouch scaramouchh can you do the fondongo? So, Luke,

1044
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: here's the deal. No one wants this fight. I uh,

1045
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 2: Scaramosh is unbeaten, but he has no knockout power. And

1046
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: this is one of those circumstances where you look at

1047
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: his record and you go, how the hell did he

1048
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: ever get ranked number one by an alphabet body. He

1049
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: hasn't beaten anybody. And here's why I so, given the pandemic,

1050
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: I don't hate this fight because for all these boxers,

1051
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 2: they're just trying to get back in there. Given the

1052
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 2: him fighting one night before Canelo, could they be setting

1053
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: up a time schedule for a trilogy. I don't hate

1054
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: it for that reason either, And I have to believe.

1055
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: You know, de Zone is hoping there's a chance that

1056
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: can happen, even though Luke, I don't know. If you

1057
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: heard rumors that Triple G himI Mungia could be next

1058
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: if Glove can wins them, I know that would get

1059
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: your panties all kinds of drippardy drop there.

1060
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: But remember when I never said he was a better

1061
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 1: power puncher than Deontay Wilder. But people don't have listening

1062
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: comprehension skills and thoughts.

1063
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: You can't prove that anymore. Because Joe Rogan took your

1064
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 2: show off YouTube minutes.

1065
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: It didn't take time. He took everyone from that week.

1066
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: Is that Glenn Greenwald has gone to It's on Spotify.

1067
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: The whole thing is there don't be a heard.

1068
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: Your co host talk about his height and he's like,

1069
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: ef this guy, all right, look so back to this

1070
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: this guy, Triple G. Here's the deal. Look, nobody wanted

1071
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: a trilogy against Canelo more than Triple G. They hate

1072
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 2: each other. They always go back and forth. The root

1073
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: of their beef is that when Canelo had the tainted

1074
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: beef and they had to postpone their twenty eighteen rematch

1075
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: because of his failed drug tests. Triple G went off

1076
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 2: saying I knew he was a drug cheater. I've seen

1077
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: the the uh injection marks on his body up close.

1078
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. Canelo, he don't like that. But here's

1079
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: the problem with Triple G twenty nineteen. As Canelo told

1080
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: me this week on MK, he was actually trying to

1081
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: make that fight. In fact, do you remember they came

1082
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: out and said, you know, for fall of twenty twenty,

1083
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: right now, we're gonna see that trilogy. You know what happened, Luke,

1084
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: Triple G said, only if I can fight this guy's

1085
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: a remetta sharimma first scrap metal because I promised I would.

1086
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 2: We don't watch your freaking promise this, Triple G. Okay,

1087
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 2: I love you, Ganadi Glovkin. I'm hoping you run through

1088
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 2: this guy, even though you had a very tough test

1089
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: last time out against Sergey der Vinchenko in a Fight

1090
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: of the Year candidate the last time we saw Triple

1091
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: G there. But Luke, this fight sucks.

1092
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: This fight sucks. This fight blows. I thought derrevi ian

1093
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: Chenko beat him. I did not think he beat Charlo.

1094
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: I thought Charlo won one, not handily, but Uh, it

1095
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: was clear that he won by the end, but I

1096
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: thought dervi yan Chenko beat him. I know it's debatable,

1097
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: it's not so clear that that's there. You can't argue

1098
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: the other way fair enough. But we were just talking

1099
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: about this with the jiangway, Lee and the sparsa fight

1100
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: now and for different reasons. But the well darvi an

1101
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: Chenko fight was tough. But this is the point, BC,

1102
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: is that Trible G's thirty eight. I mean, he looked

1103
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: to be on this Do you see him on the scales?

1104
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: My man looks.

1105
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: Shreded, treaded, Yes.

1106
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: Super good shape. So I'm not saying he's not prepared

1107
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: as in terms of what he can do to get ready.

1108
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm certain that he is. But I gotta tell you

1109
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: he's getting an easy opponent here. Whatever mandatory blah blah blah.

1110
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: But the point being is he's probably gonna knock this

1111
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: guy the fuck out, and he's probably gonna knock him

1112
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: out early, you know, within six Let's say that's just

1113
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: gonna do wonders for setting up a Canelo rematch on

1114
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: the other hand, or I should say trilogy on the

1115
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: other hand, BC. If he looks like ass here against

1116
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: the guy that the better version of himself, you know,

1117
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: let's say five years ago. I mean, he would annihilate

1118
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: this fucking guy. So if he doesn't do that here,

1119
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: then his hopes of getting the trilogy are out the

1120
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: winda and you're talking about maybe Canelo, Charlo Canelo, Benavidez Canelo,

1121
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: Caleb Plant or Caleb Truax or Billy Joe Saunders or

1122
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck. So this is a big fight for

1123
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: Triple G. Not know what it means for his legacy,

1124
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: but what it means for a big payday, a final,

1125
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: big chapter down the line.

1126
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 2: Look, let me read you the quote and you can

1127
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: hear this, of course on the interview I did with

1128
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: Canelo Alvarez this week. But I asked Canelo, like, bro,

1129
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: we know you hate Triple G, yet he's fighting the

1130
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: night before you. It feels like you're setting up a trilogy.

1131
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 2: Like what do you think about this? Canello says, quote,

1132
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 2: that's strange that he had to wait for Canelo to announce.

1133
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: For him to do that, it has to be difficult

1134
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 2: to shadow Canelo, very difficult for him. We had serious

1135
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: conversations at twenty nineteen, but unfortunately, because of the pandemic,

1136
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: the trilogy fight didn't happen. End quote. First of all,

1137
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: I love Canelo using third person and loves that Canelo

1138
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: talked about Canelo like that when he was talking to

1139
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: Brian Campbell. But uh, that's a nice way, because Canelo

1140
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: really doesn't say anything bad about anybody. That's about it

1141
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: as as dark yellow piss, you're gonna get out of

1142
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 2: Canelo talking about somebody. So I respect game on that regard.

1143
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 2: But you know, as always we talk about Triple G's age.

1144
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 2: One of the rare things you can say negatively about Canelo.

1145
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: And I've said it before, I'll say it again. He

1146
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 2: waited Triple G out two years, your damn righty fricking

1147
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: waited him out. Then they had two all Action classics.

1148
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: Canelo was lucky to get out of both without a loss.

1149
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: And now I think he feels like, yeah, whatever, I

1150
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: don't care if we're gonna see a third one, Luke,

1151
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: Let's just do it next, because let's not wait until

1152
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: Triple G has another fight in which he's diminished and

1153
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: gets into a brawl and shouldn't be in one, blah

1154
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: blah blah. If he's gonna get an o brawl and

1155
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: empty out what's left Luke to it against Canelo, not

1156
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: against Derevin schenkoin you know what I'm saying.

1157
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: Yes, agreed, Yeah, I mean there, listen, there's plenty of

1158
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: reasons for optimism. For a third one, you're right talking

1159
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: about himself in the third person, like he's to you know,

1160
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: doing his whole bit. That is kind of amazing. But

1161
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, let's just see what happens tonight.

1162
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: I'll be on CBS Sports HQ after it's over, well

1163
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: you're on a bird going on flyover country, and then

1164
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: we'll have it something to say about it on Monday.

1165
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely busy weekend. And also on this busy weekend, Saturday

1166
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: night Showtime Boxing Back Luke Special Edition, a triple header

1167
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 2: from the Mohegan Dome there in COVID Friendly Connecticut there,

1168
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: So Luke, it's a new main event. Originally this was

1169
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: Nonito Donair, the Filipino Legend, challenging Nordine Ubali for his

1170
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighteen pound title. That fight fell off

1171
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: when Ubali got COVID. Ubali was made the champion in

1172
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: recess and the title was put on the line, but

1173
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 2: then Nonino Donair also pulled out for COVID so. Luke

1174
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,959
Speaker 2: Donair's second opponent, Emmanuel Rodriguez, will hold this main event.

1175
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: He's a former world champion at one hundred and eighteen

1176
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: pounds and he's gonna fight for that interim WBC bantamweight

1177
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: title against many Pacquiao protege Raymark Gabayo. Here's what's interesting.

1178
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: Gabio twenty four years old, Luke twenty three and oh

1179
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: with twenty KOs but has not stepped up to this

1180
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 2: level yet. I want to see what the kid can

1181
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: do here, because Rodriguez has experienced His only loss was

1182
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: against the great monster Niowa Anue in twenty nineteen. He's

1183
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: got a split decision went over Jason Maloney before that.

1184
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 2: He can box, He's tough. I want to see what

1185
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: Gobiyo has. I'm very understudied on him because he's kind

1186
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: of come out of nowhere, but he's being given the

1187
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 2: opportunity of a lifetime there.

1188
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: All too true. But I gotta tell you, dude, for

1189
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: me not to sell you short on this one, but

1190
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: I for I'll just be honest about it. All of

1191
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 1: my attention is on Jeron Ennis Boots as they call him.

1192
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: He to me, what would you say, BC, maybe not

1193
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: boxing's best prospect, but in the running for it in

1194
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: the conversation, somewhere tough.

1195
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: And he's also dynamic.

1196
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: In the ring, super dynamic. I mean he also he

1197
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: has this style where it's not continuous. He reminds me

1198
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: of Atasanya a bit. Well, he'll take his time, he'll

1199
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: read he's moving blah blah blah blah blah, and he'll

1200
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 1: throw and everything he throws is dangerous because it is

1201
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: so well calculated, so well timed, and he's also pretty

1202
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: athletic obviously on top of it. And then he'll take

1203
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: his time back, switch angles and go through it again.

1204
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: He's not out there, you know, like Dr Vianchenko, who's

1205
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: just in your face grinding on you all the time.

1206
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: It's quite the opposite. Is much more take my time

1207
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: with it and then find it. He's got flair for

1208
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: the dramatic. He's young, he's interesting. I don't know how

1209
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: far he's going to take what he's got, but what

1210
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: he has, at least on tape. We talk about it

1211
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: all the time on the show BC. Some fighters jump

1212
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: off the screen, whether it's kickboxing, boxing or MMA. This

1213
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: dude jumps off the screen he has a big oportunity

1214
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: in front of him, and I am very curious to

1215
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: see what he can do with it.

1216
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Boots Ennis has every time he stepped up

1217
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,720
Speaker 2: in class, he's looked even better. And that's a true

1218
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 2: testament to how good he really is, Luke, that the

1219
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: more you challenge him, the better he gets. This is

1220
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: the toughest test to date in terms of a guy

1221
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 2: with experience in Chris Vanierden. He's twenty eight two and

1222
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,479
Speaker 2: one with twelve knockouts. You probably know him. His only

1223
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: his last major loss came against Earl Spence Junior by

1224
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 2: knockout in twenty fifteen. But van Erden's won five straight

1225
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: since then. And Luke, you may remember this South African

1226
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: boxer because he was the guy who gave Connor McGregor

1227
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: the sparring rounds before Pauli Malanaji did. So everybody was

1228
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: interviewing Van Arden. How did Connor look? Is he legit?

1229
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. Van Nerden's a tough out, meaning he's durable,

1230
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: he can box a little bit. He's a tough southball there.

1231
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: I'm interested as you are to really see what Boots

1232
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: has here, because if he destroys Van Arden at the

1233
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: level he's been able to blow through other guys and

1234
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: look great doing it, We're gonna start having different conversation.

1235
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: So I know you just basically said this is the

1236
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: people's main event. You don't care about them band and weights.

1237
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: I care about both. Also not a bad opener here

1238
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: for last minute changes. One of Gary Russell's brothers, Gary

1239
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 2: Antonio Russell, I think is just going by Antonio these days.

1240
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: Just to put it out there, every single one of

1241
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: Gary Russell's brother has the first name Gary, just like

1242
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: George foreman sons. But Antonio Russell will face former world

1243
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: champion Jan Carlos Payano, who had that really strong performance

1244
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: on the undercard of the Charlow Bros. A couple months back.

1245
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 2: So that's a ten round fight to kick it off showtime.

1246
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 2: Keeping the chains moving here. Look, look, you gotta do

1247
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: what you gotta do right. People are gonna fall out

1248
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: due to COVID. In fact, Luke, you and I we're

1249
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 2: probably three bad COVID tests from our colleagues away from

1250
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: calling this fight this weekend. So stay ready, Luke.

1251
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: You know what, Stay in the gymnasium, which is where

1252
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to go after this show, I'm going to

1253
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: go back to the gymnasium get work off these COVID lbs, which.

1254
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: Means I'll be in my front yard if any homeless

1255
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: folk already, I'm.

1256
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: The gym gym, but it's too cold.

1257
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would think you're smarter than that, because

1258
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: you are. You know, doctor Luke Fauci is very safe

1259
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: in these I'm.

1260
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: So glad you brought that up, bec because it turns

1261
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: out that the DC government has released data which anyone

1262
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,439
Speaker 1: can look at. It is now public trying to figure

1263
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: out where people are getting COVID. Do you know how

1264
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Speaker 1: many people who get COVID in this city get it

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00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: from the gym? Did you look at the data? Because

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Speaker 1: I looked at the data. Did you see what it showed?

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00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 2: Look, you did tell your data less than.

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Speaker 1: One less than one percent get it from the gym.

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Speaker 2: And the reason why this right wing look Thomas is here.

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Speaker 1: I love it. It's not right wing, it's science. The

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00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: idea is people are like, oh, your favor of lockdowns. No,

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00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm in favor of lockdowns. If you pay the businesses

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00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: to stay locked down, That's what I'm in favor of.

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Speaker 1: In the case of the gym, although there is one

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Speaker 1: stupid rule here you can't have gym classes, which I

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00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: don't quite understand, because you have a mask on the

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Speaker 1: whole time. They make you wear a mask at all times.

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00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 1: The gym is limited to twenty one people at any

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Speaker 1: given time, and you have to wipe down your before

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01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: and after you use it. They actually give you stuff

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01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: to do that with. You have to do it, so

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01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: you have to like temperature check, you have to sign in,

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01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: you have to sign out. So every time I've gone,

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01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: I've only been a handful of times. There's literally three

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01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: people in the entire gym and everyone has a mask on.

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01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: It's actually the best time to go to the gym,

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Speaker 1: and the data is pretty clear under those conditions. B C.

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Speaker 1: Under those conditions, your chances of getting COVID are extremely low.

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Speaker 1: So that is an educated risk worth taking.

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Speaker 2: Your irresponsible fastard.

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Speaker 1: Oh fuck you, it's so responsible. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear and fuck you. Go eat those eggs. Go eat

1293
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: those eggs, cool hand, Luke.

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Speaker 2: I hope that homeless guy blows in your face as

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01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 2: you're trying to get the rack up in the front

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01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 2: yard and then makes out with you and passes you

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Speaker 2: the VID.

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Speaker 1: Don't you find that good news? If you keep a

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Speaker 1: mask on at the fucking gym. I don't know how

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01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: much wiping all the shit down does because that seems

1301
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: to me like hygiene theater, but at a bare minimum,

1302
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: you know. And by the way, all the all the

1303
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: gyms have to replace their ventilation systems to act the

1304
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: filters that can kill the virus when it goes through.

1305
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: So there's also that on top of it. But dude,

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01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: don't you find that encouraging that the gyms less than

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01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: one percent of cases are contributing to COVID? Like that?

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01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: You should be people should be celebrating that.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to end, Luke. Please. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: longer we have COVID, the more the more these are

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Speaker 2: in my life, Luke, I can't do this anymore, Okay, please?

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Speaker 1: All right, okay, okay, fair enough, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: All right, Hey, Luke, you know you may find out

1314
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 2: in the end that you were dead wrong for working

1315
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 2: out in a gym during COVID. But it wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: the only l's you take this week, Luke. Right, everyone's

1317
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 2: favorite segment and your least one. It's called dead wrong.

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Speaker 1: I don't mind it if they get it if they're

1319
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: right and I'm wrong. What I mind is the poor

1320
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: research that has showed it.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna love this one because they're mostly all at

1322
01:01:55,640 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 2: me for my sloppy ass. Luke. When mentioning Australia in

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01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: kroc Hero Steve Irwin, the Crocodile Hunter, and mentioning his

1324
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: tragic death a few years back, I did. I did

1325
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 2: give the death count a plus one for a croc

1326
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 2: for eating him, Luke. It turns out all of our

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01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: down under fans and the lovers of Steve Irwin and

1328
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 2: his legacy came at me hard and they said, bro,

1329
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 2: put some respect on that dead man's name.

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01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: He got killed, stun in the chest or some shit right,

1331
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: and then yeah, the hospital he died there.

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01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 2: I'm dead wrong, and Steve Irwins dead and that's where

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01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 2: it's at. Luke. I'm sorry. I loved him too. Okay,

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01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I'm dead wrong. It was a sting ray,

1335
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 2: not a crock, Luke. Is his daughter Bindy Irwin sneaky

1336
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 2: at all? Or are we just moving on?

1337
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: Is she a teenager? Because if so, I'm not even

1338
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: gonna come close to answering that question.

1339
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 2: I don't know that shit. Come on, come on, all right,

1340
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 2: all right, Luke also dead wrong this week? You and

1341
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 2: I after I impromptu asked you who you believe are

1342
01:02:54,840 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 2: the best female practitioners of wrestling inside the usc CA. Yep,

1343
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 2: we both left off the long time strawweight contender but

1344
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 2: hasn't fought in seemingly a decade. Tatiana Suarez, who yes,

1345
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 2: is a badass, is a great wrestler. The problem is, Luke,

1346
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 2: I just want to see her in the cage against

1347
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: somebody with a pulse like I can't take it anymore.

1348
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: Luke, Yes, that is true. We fucked that up and

1349
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: people were hit me up on Twitter like how could

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01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: you forget? I follow her on Instagram, I've interviewed her

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01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: a number of times. She's nice, she's personaal but BC,

1352
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: you know this as well as I do. She's been

1353
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: absent ever since that win over the uh. Who's the

1354
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: partner of Amanda Nunez.

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Speaker 2: Nina answer off NA.

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Speaker 1: Answerof after the end it was a close fight against

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01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: Nina answerof where she reaggravated existing injuries that she had

1358
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: previously had. She has not fought and so I'll be honest.

1359
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: The viewers are right, we are wrong. I completely forgot

1360
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: that she was not not that she was good, but

1361
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: that she was part of the roster for crying out loud.

1362
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: It just completely slipped my mind. So it's a good correction.

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01:03:58,480 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: See that's a good correction.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, all right, Luke, that's a man with integrity,

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01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 2: all right, Uh Luke. Also, I've taken another l this week.

1366
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 2: I was dead wrong when talking about Tony Ferguson's incomparable

1367
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: ability to heal, mentioning that nasty knee injury he suffered

1368
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 2: in the Fox studio trying to hype up UFC two

1369
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 2: twenty three and twenty eighteen. I said he returned in

1370
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 2: four months in a fight that I don't even still

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01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 2: think he should have taken. But Luke, it was six

1372
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 2: months when he came back. Was it? It was coyboy Seroni?

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01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 2: He thought correct when he came back, ummmmm, or was

1374
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: a Pettis. It was one of the two.

1375
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: When Tony came back after his big ass time off,

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01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: it was Pettis.

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01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 2: Okay. So the whole point of that was I argued

1378
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: that he was taking a massive chance for risking a

1379
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 2: habem fight that he had already secured multiple times, but Luke,

1380
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 2: he came back in short form. It wasn't four months,

1381
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 2: it was six months. I was dead wrong, but just

1382
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: the same. Uh, the guy's in a maniac and Luke,

1383
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 2: I know you saw that video he put out. Uh,

1384
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 2: he was kind of doing his own dissected in that video. Look,

1385
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 2: what were your thoughts? Does it make Tony crazy or

1386
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 2: does it make it? I mean, like, you know what

1387
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 2: you're talking about.

1388
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. It's like, dude, if what you enjoy

1389
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: about Tony is his sort of stream of consciousness bravado, right,

1390
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: then why are you gonna take it literally when he's

1391
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: on the other end of a of a fight, which

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01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: just to say he's out there winning and he does

1393
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: this bravado stuff. Everybody loves it. Well, he's still doing that,

1394
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: just from the losing side of things. Like you know,

1395
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: do I take a lot of issue with the claim

1396
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: that he had Charles olivera broken after one round? Yeah?

1397
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: I mean that obviously is not a defensible situation. But

1398
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's kind of Tony being Tony.

1399
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: And I do think I've said this steal on Wednesday

1400
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: show by see if you kind of look at the tape.

1401
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, OLIVERA was in total positional command

1402
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: on the ground in all three rounds, and eleven forty

1403
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: of the fight of a fifteen minute fight was spent

1404
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: on the ground, So that's that's a lot of domination.

1405
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: But in terms of like how close Olivera got to

1406
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: a U or even like any real ground and pound,

1407
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: and the second then especially the third round, it fell

1408
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: off a cliff. So he was positionally way out gunned,

1409
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But he actually did a pretty

1410
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: good job of keeping himself safe from the worst parts

1411
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: of the ground elements of Olivera's attacks, and I do

1412
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: think that should also be noted.

1413
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 2: It should, but he was basically painting like a moral

1414
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 2: victory in those videos like look, don't you see in

1415
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 2: round three, I was preventing him from doing this, and

1416
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 2: that you were also preventing yourself from winning. So I

1417
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 2: don't get the I'm gonna pound my chest and you know,

1418
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 2: you lost a one sided fight and and okay, you

1419
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 2: won this little, this little battle within it, but you

1420
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 2: still lost the damn fight and you and you weren't

1421
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 2: coming on.

1422
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, and this is this is the

1423
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: problem with all fighters, and you know this in boxing two.

1424
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: The delusion that compels them and moves them to greatness

1425
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: because part of it is delusion. Yes, it's a it's

1426
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a belief in self. But often

1427
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: before you have a reason to be that self confident,

1428
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: that's the thing that moves them forward. It's a hard

1429
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: thing to reconcile when things start to go bad. Whether

1430
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: you want to call it the end or not, it's

1431
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: just not a good moment in his career, right, two

1432
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: losses in a row. Wrestling with something that you have

1433
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: used as an engine for success, that's a hard thing

1434
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: to let go of. So I you know, as the

1435
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: claims he's making all that defensible, well no, but I'm

1436
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: not really gonna beat him up over it just just yet,

1437
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: all right.

1438
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 2: I almost accidentally did a nice impersonation. They remember that

1439
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: guy from the UFC early days, the Canadian Harold Howard,

1440
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 2: who was fighting a wife meter and he had that

1441
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 2: great SoundBite where he had the glasses on. He's like,

1442
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm Harold Howard from Canada, and we got a saying

1443
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 2: where I'm from. If you're gonna come on, then come on. Yeah,

1444
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: that's a slogan of this show. Look, okay, if you're

1445
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 2: gonna come on, come on.

1446
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: Could you turn in your two weeks after the show.

1447
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 2: I think they're just gonna just they're just gonna yank

1448
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 2: me right off. They're gonna they're just gonna walk in

1449
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 2: the hotel room and remove the microphone. Uh wow, all right,

1450
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 2: one more dead wrong, Luke, it's another l for me.

1451
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: Look.

1452
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 2: Uh, nobody loves the Kimbo Slice Sean Gannon Warehouse fight

1453
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 2: more than I do. Luke. I remember watching that shit

1454
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 2: right after I got posted a YouTube. I feel like

1455
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 2: I was watching like fight porn. Basically, Sean Gannon, an

1456
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 2: ex Boston cop, had a golden gloves background, had a

1457
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 2: martial arts background, and he fought Kimbo Slice at peak

1458
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 2: backyard Kimbo for big time money. The dead wrong in

1459
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 2: this case, though, Luke, was the location. I don't We

1460
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 2: don't have the viewer who wrote this in, but they

1461
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 2: sent in a letter here saying the beij one said

1462
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 2: that Kimbo versus Gannon was in some underground location in Miami.

1463
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:45,560
Speaker 2: It was actually at Santos BJJ and MMA in Providence,

1464
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 2: Rhode Island. Disappointed in BBBC, only one state away from him.

1465
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 2: Very true, Luke did not realize I could have seen

1466
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 2: that fight in person. Luke, how do you remember the

1467
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: first time you saw that? It was like stunning that

1468
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 2: a Kimbo slice could lose because he was building this,

1469
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 2: you know, impressive run. But b dude, he Sean Gannon

1470
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 2: won that fight, but again his face afterwards looked like

1471
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 2: a car ran over it. That was some brutal shit.

1472
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 2: They were exhausted as balls brawl in for like twenty

1473
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 2: five minutes.

1474
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 1: So I actually know that guy. Some of the guys

1475
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: who were there because I briefly briefly worked at what

1476
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: was it was MMA dot tv at the time, at

1477
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 1: Mixed Martial Arts dot com, and some of the guys

1478
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: who I think still run that site, but it certainly

1479
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: did at the time. One or two of them were there,

1480
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: and they told me that Gannon was never the same

1481
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: after that as a person, like his mind never quite

1482
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: got right after that fight. And you can well imagine, dude,

1483
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: that was Jesus man. As far as street fights go,

1484
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: they don't come much more brutal than that, you know,

1485
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean they do come more brutal, right,

1486
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: wh people get stomped on But what I mean is

1487
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: between two we would you say, Kimbo Shan Gannon well matched, right,

1488
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: well matched? Oh yeah, oh yeah.

1489
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 2: And then the big southpaw he had, He had all

1490
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 2: kinds of experience in different categories.

1491
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: What I mean to say is he could take a shot.

1492
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: He could. He was, you know, good enough to like

1493
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: fire a few back, and Kimbo was beating shit out

1494
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: of him until Kimbo just gassed and uh Sean Gannon

1495
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: then eventually just put it on him. But everyone told

1496
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: me that Gannon was he never really recovered from that.

1497
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 2: His face was hamburger. He got he had actually it

1498
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 2: lifted him to a UFC opportunity, Luke.

1499
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: Uh, and then he got double fucked up by what

1500
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: was his name, Brandon Lee Hinkel.

1501
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 2: Brendan Lee Henkel beat the bags off of him. Gannon

1502
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 2: had some really weird tattoos on his shoulders, and he

1503
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 2: never fought again. And the person who sent this in

1504
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 2: is you know, relaying some of the facts from this,

1505
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 2: Luke that Gannon is still in a legal battle today

1506
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 2: with the Boston Police Department because they wanted to fire

1507
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 2: him when that fight lingered out. Look, I always thought

1508
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 2: that Elite XC UFC and even Bellatre dropped the ball

1509
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: and never getting these two in the cage with the

1510
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 2: given story here.

1511
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: Agree with me, Yeah, I do agree with you. That

1512
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: would have been a huge I mean, the rematch would

1513
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: have been enormous. But you know what Kimbo, I mean,

1514
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 1: Kimbo had some l's along the way. Kimbo had some w's. Bro,

1515
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: Let's not forget that Kimbo had some you know, Beating

1516
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: the fuck out of Ray Mercer at Cage Fury was

1517
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 1: a big one, especially after Ray Mercer had already knocked

1518
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: out Tim Silvia. Oh fucking lord, do you remember that day?

1519
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 1: Remember the day when you were like, because it was

1520
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: supposed to be an MMA fight, and then it was

1521
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: supposed to have all these rules and they had to

1522
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: change them all last minute, and they had to go

1523
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: from like a cage to a ring or whatever the

1524
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,799
Speaker 1: fuck it was, whatever the changes. When there's a million changes,

1525
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: and then Tim Sylvia comes out like a giraffe just born,

1526
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,759
Speaker 1: and Ray Mercer's like, look, man, I'm old as fuck,

1527
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: but I still throw them hammers and knocked him out

1528
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: with one fucking shot and it was all she wrote,

1529
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: And you were like, oh god, Tim we've been telling

1530
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,799
Speaker 1: the whole world that you were a good MMA fighter.

1531
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: What the fuck are you doing? Yeah? That was great?

1532
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: That was that was great.

1533
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 2: That was really really bad. I do remember, though, getting

1534
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 2: stupidly excited for Kimbo Ray Mercer. It was in What

1535
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 2: New Jersey. It was like a grainy pay per view

1536
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 2: and it was modified rules MMA, but you know, shout

1537
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 2: out to Kimbo. He took him right down and made

1538
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 2: quick work of that with the choke.

1539
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: But also, do would he when Kimbo fought Tank on?

1540
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 1: That was what showtime he thought him on?

1541
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 2: I think may have been CBS one of the two

1542
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 2: it was. It was huge ratings regardless, freaking huge. I mean, dude,

1543
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 2: how unlikely is it for a guy who was like

1544
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 2: a strip club bodyguard or porn star bodyguard whatever to

1545
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 2: then have the backyard thing and then be somehow allowed

1546
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 2: on CBS in primetime and do like five six million

1547
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: viewers Luke like he did stupid numbers, Like I dude,

1548
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 2: I don't you know you got You could have put

1549
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 2: Prime Anderson Silva on national television back then. Who would

1550
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 2: have done more? Kimbo was like a It was a phenomenon.

1551
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: And even even at the end of his run bro

1552
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 1: even against Shamrock and Dota five thousand, he was pulling

1553
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: three million people on what was it still Spike at

1554
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: the time. I mean three are paramount. Whatever the fuck

1555
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: he was pulling three million people, Like, dude, they were

1556
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: doing ratings up until recently, like you know, three hundred

1557
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: thousand or some shit, maybe even less at times. I mean,

1558
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: you just can't overstate people loved Kimbo Slice. People were

1559
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: very attached to what he was.

1560
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 2: So I worked at ESPN for twelve years and when

1561
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 2: a celebrity would come to campus, which was like every

1562
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 2: other day, right, there'd be a monster celebrity there, and

1563
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 2: you can always gauge how much this person had crossed

1564
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 2: over by the buzz around campus, right, you know, like,

1565
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 2: for example, the most buzz I've ever seen, and we've

1566
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 2: seen every famous person come through, there was the freaking

1567
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 2: guy with the abs from the Jersey Shore. When the

1568
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 2: situation came there was like lines out the cafeteria door

1569
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 2: for women to see him. But the second biggest buzz

1570
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 2: I've ever seen, and this is including like Snoop Dogg Will,

1571
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 2: I mean, everyone's come to ESPN. Dude, when Kimbo Slice

1572
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 2: came to ESPN for em may live back in like

1573
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 2: twenty ten or whatever. The amount of people that wanted pictures.

1574
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 2: The buzz was absurd. And here's really the greatest legacy

1575
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 2: to Kimbo the person. Every single person had a story

1576
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 2: about him being the nicest guy ever just by being

1577
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 2: so intimidating. And every fighter you talked to Luke who

1578
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 2: have been with him on the Ultimate Fighter or knew

1579
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 2: him or whatever, they say the same damn thing, like

1580
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 2: salt of the Earth, great person. So shout out to

1581
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 2: Kimbo for that. Regardless.

1582
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I didn't never hung out with Kimbo, but

1583
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: I interviewed him probably a handful of times, and you

1584
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: always got the sense that all he really wanted to

1585
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: do was just chill, you know. I mean, if you

1586
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: had to throw hands to make money, hey it it

1587
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: was go time. But I met his I met his daughter,

1588
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: I met his wife. Let me explain something to you.

1589
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: If you saw Kimbo Slice's daughter and his wife at

1590
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: the grocery store, you would think they're the most ordinary Americans.

1591
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: Nothing stood out about him in terms of being, you know,

1592
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: because Kimbo was this outrageous, larger than life personality dude.

1593
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: His family, he was, and I say this as a compliment,

1594
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 1: the most normal, down to earth people ever. Ever. His

1595
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 1: daughter could not. I don't know how old she is now,

1596
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: but she was. She was I think a preteen at

1597
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: the time. So let's say ten or eleven or something. Sweet,

1598
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 1: very friendly, his wife super friendly. I mean, these are

1599
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 1: people whom I'm being truthful. These should be your neighbors.

1600
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, I don't

1601
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: know how much Kimba loved fighting. I think he liked

1602
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: it a little bit, especially when he won. I'm sure

1603
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 1: he loved the paychecks. But at the end of the day,

1604
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 1: that dude wanted to be in the backyard, probably with

1605
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: a beer or a blunt in his hand, telling stories,

1606
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: cracking jokes, having fun with the fam, and you know,

1607
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,719
Speaker 1: playing a couple of games with the kids. I really

1608
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 1: think that's who he was at heart, especially at the

1609
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: time when I interviewed him, at that stage of his life.

1610
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 1: It's a shame he didn't get more of it. But

1611
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, we got we got. Yeah, he had some

1612
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: w's goddamn it.

1613
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 2: And can we close this Kimbo Slice appreciation Hour by saying,

1614
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 2: Pioneer in chest hair design. Look, I never all of

1615
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 2: these things. Remember he had one chest fully covered with hair,

1616
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 2: the other shaven. Then he had the spiderweb design. Then

1617
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 2: he had the under cleavage with like shapes and stuff.

1618
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,719
Speaker 2: I love that man for that, Luke. Do you feel

1619
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 2: that we were robbed in The Ultimate Fighter that we

1620
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 2: never got Kimbo versus Big Brown?

1621
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit. I know you love to throw

1622
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: shots at Brendan despite him being a showtime brother, so

1623
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 1: that's fine. But don't forget there was also another hair

1624
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: chest hair officionado in the UFC around the same time.

1625
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: A little bit later, Brian Ebersoll, Remember Brian Ebsoll. Yes, yeah,

1626
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,600
Speaker 1: the American came out of Thailand. He would have the

1627
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: hairrow that would point up on his chest sore. Kimbo

1628
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: was not alone. He may have been the pioneer, but

1629
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: he was not alone.

1630
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 2: Look, do you have a large arrow down? Yeah? I

1631
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 2: mean do the curtains match the drapes, the carpeting.

1632
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: Luke, you're a disgusting, disgusting human and you deserve to

1633
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: execute it in front of your family Fridays.

1634
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 2: There's no pants and there's no rules. But hey, Luke,

1635
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 2: that is the show for this way. We didn't do

1636
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 2: tips this Friday, we didn't do homework assignments. I've been traveling.

1637
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 2: It's wild. But we do have some big plans for

1638
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 2: you guys, a pre tape holiday Christmas edition coming your way.

1639
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 2: So please continue to get your questions and if you

1640
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 2: want them answered, go to Apple Podcast give us a

1641
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 2: review five stars if you're willing, and please leave your question.

1642
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 2: You leave it, I'll answer it. That's how this works.

1643
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 2: And you know, we are trying to plan basically a

1644
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 2: one hundredth episode party, Luke. I think our one hundredth

1645
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 2: episode aligns to be airing like January first or second,

1646
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 2: right around there, so hopefully we'll get some big surprises

1647
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 2: there for the people and BC.

1648
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: The Triple G tonight, Canelo tomorrow, UFC tomorrow, and by

1649
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,879
Speaker 1: the way, the next UFC five if I'm not mistaken,

1650
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: BC after tomorrow is not until January sixteenth. So wow,

1651
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a lot of tap dancing to do

1652
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: on this year channel. But I'll say this be see.

1653
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm also getting a tattoo this weekend, so we'll see

1654
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 1: how that goes.

1655
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you would on the inside of your bicep.

1656
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: Right on the inside of my arm.

1657
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, is that a sense ofive area for tattooing, Luke.

1658
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: I've not had a tattooed, but I'm told that the

1659
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: wrist and then around the elbow is painful. So we'll see.

1660
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 2: And can you remind me once once again, Luke, what

1661
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:22,799
Speaker 2: you're getting. I keep forgetting.

1662
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: So basically what I did was I have wanted I

1663
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,560
Speaker 1: like a Supermoto, which is a Marine Corps way of

1664
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: saying motivational. I've wanted a Supermoto Marine Corps tattoo for

1665
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 1: twenty years and I didn't get one because you know,

1666
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: everyone's horror story is about what's gonna happen if you

1667
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 1: get a tattoo and blah blah blah, what about your career?

1668
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 1: But I'm forty one, I'm pretty well. I'm doing okay

1669
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: in my career. I own a home, I have a kid,

1670
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 1: I'm married. I've never been arrested for drunk driving. Hell,

1671
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 1: I've never been arrested at all. And even in my

1672
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 1: line of work, I feel like a lot of people

1673
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: have tattoos in this industry, Like I'm not gonna get

1674
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: any on my neck or hands, so why not I

1675
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 1: have I'm fineinancially stable, so why not? So I reached

1676
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: out to a guy who is a specialist. He has

1677
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 1: to boory tattoos, which is the kind you get in

1678
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: Japan with they do it, you know, piece by piece

1679
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: with the needle by hand. Who's a Japanese specialist, and

1680
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: I asked him to reimagine the Marine Corps logo or

1681
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 1: the emblem I should say insignia of them, the ego,

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Speaker 1: globe and anchor. And you might say, well, should you

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01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: be remixing something so iconic. Well, funnily enough, I did

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01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of research on this. I mean, this is

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01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 1: something I've been thinking about for two decades. If you

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01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 1: look around and look at people's individuals globe and anchor tattoos,

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01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 1: everyone remixes it in all different kinds of ways, whether

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01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 1: it's portrait realism versions or you know, they'll add k

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01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 1: bars to it, which is the official knife of the

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01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: Marine Corps, but just put tons of different sort of

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01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: spins on it. I've seen the mock up that he has.

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01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: It still looks like the ega, but it's got It's

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01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 1: a Japanese traditional tattoo. And the reason why I picked

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01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: him was one he's very, very talented. But to BC,

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01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm actually not the biggest fan of traditional tattoos in general.

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01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: But one of them main major benefits of them is

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01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 1: if you get them, no one can sort of figure

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01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: out when you got it. I mean, if it's damaged,

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01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: they might be able to. But the point of being

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01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 1: is if you've got a barbed wire tattoo, everybody knows

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01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 1: you got it in the nineties. It's sort of attached. Well,

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01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: it's true, it's attached to that era traditional style of

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01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 1: tattooing Japanese or American. It's somewhat timeless. So so I

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01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 1: went with that. And it's gonna be black and gray

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01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,600
Speaker 1: with a little bit of red, and it's gonna be

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01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: fucking awesome.

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01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 2: Two follow up questions. One, would you ever get an

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01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 2: MK inspired tattoo to really show the people that this

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01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 2: has been the best turn of your entire career, loving

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01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:36,719
Speaker 2: personal life.

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01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: We get to a million subs, I'll get an m

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01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: K tattoo. Easy? Wow?

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01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 2: What one million? That's a lot of freaking subs. My

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01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 2: other question is, I I want to say this seriously,

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01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 2: I respect the Marines. Did you ever see the movie

1716
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:50,480
Speaker 2: Loan Survivor?

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01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:52,839
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the one with Mark Wahlberg.

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01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 2: Right, yes, so I haven't a story it is, and

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01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 2: I know the story. I haven't seen the movie. I

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01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 2: started watching it though two days ago, and all I

1721
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 2: got through was the opening because I got a phone call.

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01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: Whatever.

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01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 2: You don't care, But the opening is real footage of

1724
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 2: of like marine training, of like boot camps and stuff,

1725
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 2: and Luke, like all the guys locking arms and laying

1726
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 2: in the water. Are you sure?

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01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: Uh, well, I've been to Marine Corps boot camp.

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01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 2: We didn't do that, all right, Maybe I'm maybe it

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01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 2: was the damn Coastguard for all I know. All right, Luke,

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01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 2: I was about to give your simplify guys. Ah, but

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01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 2: you had it. You got tested in extreme ways, correct, Yeah.

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01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: I mean it was one of the harder things I've

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01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 1: ever done in my life, in a lot of different ways.

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01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: So I've been I've been waiting twenty years to get

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01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 1: like a real I'm proud of no bullshit, you know. Uh,

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01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,560
Speaker 1: And I do it the right way, like this guy's expensive,

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01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay. It's gonna be huge. People think you

1738
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: should get tattoos that are small. If you get tattoos

1739
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 1: that are small, they're gonna come out fucked up. Don't

1740
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 1: do that. They're gonna fade easier a lot. You can

1741
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: go to specialists who can sometimes do it, but in general,

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01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: bigger tattoos are better and they're much easier to get

1743
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 1: the detail right, plus to get black outlining and shading,

1744
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,560
Speaker 1: which will last longer. I always recommend people get a

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01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,639
Speaker 1: little bit more I put. I put years of thought

1746
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: into this, so I'm ready. Let's do it. I got

1747
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 1: the money, I got the willpower, I got the time.

1748
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: Fucking go.

1749
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 2: I hope you have the waivos to sit through it though. Look, okay,

1750
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 2: I can mail you a few package.

1751
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: I sat. I sat for four hours for a tattoo

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01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: on my ribs. I'll be okay.

1753
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 2: You Wonce sat for four hours and rewatched Holloway Volkanovski

1754
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 2: too as well. All right, look over and frickin' over again.

1755
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 2: That's the show this week. Please like subscribe. Tell people, okay,

1756
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 2: remember when you used to pass around STDs in college

1757
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 2: like it was going on in style, passed around Morning combat.

1758
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 2: Let the people know at Morning Combat on both social

1759
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 2: channels there follow Luke and I as well. And if

1760
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,879
Speaker 2: you want to send in a submission artwork, you wearing

1761
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 2: our damn merch Morning Coombat at gmail dot com is

1762
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 2: the email, Hey you want it? You want to slide

1763
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 2: on my dms? They're open? Okay, yeah, please.

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01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 1: Please If you send me tipped to tip things, I'm

1765
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: blocking you. Don't do it.

1766
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 2: And shout out to Dickles. He was supposed to have

1767
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 2: some stuff on Wednesday show and I guess the email

1768
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 2: didn't go through and he sent them to me. We're

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01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna make sure that stuff sees the light

1770
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 2: of today. Dickles is a rising star in our in

1771
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 2: our stable of fans there, okay, shout out to Malco, Showtime,

1772
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 2: CBS Sports. Yeah that's all I got, Luke. Okay, you

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01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 2: want to tell the people anything?

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01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want you to have a safe flight home.

1775
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: Don't get COVID and uh I think are you gonna

1776
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: do a post fight reaction to Canelo?

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01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 2: Yes?

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01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 1: I will, yes, and I will do a post that

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01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: reaction to it for you.

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01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 2: These five words I swear to you, Luke.

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01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, very good, Well, don't eat all those

1782
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: eggs in one go, and safe travels and blah blah blah.

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01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 2: Thank you, Good luck to you on your tattoo and

1784
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 2: enjoy the fights this weekend, folks from UFC at to

1785
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 2: showtime and disown all that good stuff coming your way. Yeah,

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01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 2: so I'm Brian Campbell. I'm signing off for now for

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01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas. May all of your eggs be bagged, of course,

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01:24:01,720 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 2: and I've got two extra words for you. We out