WEBVTT - Fire Drill 053: Shark, Tiger and Pavin (Oh My!) 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:08.520 Wellcome back to the Fire Drill. Uh. Today's episode was 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:13.000 another one of my favorites. Before we get into why 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.079 I think that, let's talk about our sponsors. First of all, 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:20.200 Part points uh scoring app a new way to keep 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.919 score on the golf course. Super fun Part points go 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:28.479 make part downloaded today Apple Store, Android, whatever you want. Uh, 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:30.400 it's pretty awesome. It's a great way to do it. 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:35.040 And also U Dormy Workshop. The word artisanal is now 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.880 part of my vocabulary because of Dormy Workshop. Great club 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:43.800 covers uh Putter covers awesome, awesome stuff. Uh, So go 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.239 check both of them out. They are the reason that 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.199 we are able to do this great stuff. So on 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:53.040 this week's episode of The Fire Drill, we somehow have 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:56.280 talked about all of the following things. Corey Paven and 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.800 his v as Cleveland Irons purple, ugly, hideous, it looks 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.640 like levels. Uh. Michael has a great story about Allen 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.399 has a great story about being on the range with him. Uh. 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:10.160 We talked about Greg Dorman. We talked about the comparison 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.240 to Tiger Woods. Uh. We talked about that they didn't 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:16.160 get along very well, the pit ranking itself and how 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.840 ridiculous it all is, Uh, cam Smith winning again in 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:22.600 his place, and how the o w g R. He's 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.399 probably going to have to change because cam Smith keeps 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:30.000 winning everywhere and uh, if he slips down, it'll kind 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.240 of make a mockery of the o w g R. 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.319 We talked about Shano hair, which I love, and we 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.720 guessed his age and how many how much career earnings 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:42.360 he has? You don't probably know. Both they're both ridiculous, Uh, 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.920 I mean it was great, Thanks for listening, Thanks for being. 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.920 I hope everybody's holiday weekend. We also talked about how 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:51.520 turkey sucks and turkey sucks. Uh, here's the three of 0:01:51.600 --> 0:02:04.280 us talking golf. I got nothing I'm thinking about. Can't 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:15.880 get them not to think, well, I'm thinking about Hello boy, 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:22.040 it's happy Thanksgiving? What's up man? How was everybody good? Good? Michael? 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.600 How are you a little salmon out at this point? 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:29.960 You know how it is in the barmburger house? Yeah? Respect, 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.400 I mean, we don't have to turn this into a 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.960 this whole podcast into a repudiation of traditional Thanksgiving foods. 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:38.919 But does anyone really love turkey? I mean it's just 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.519 a delivery system for other things. I mean, yeah, and 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.560 tell me the last time anyone you know or yourself 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.040 has ordered turkey at a restaurant. All of us eat 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.760 out a hundred times of years, and we never go 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.919 you know, what do you? Is turkey on special today? 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.480 Like no one has ever said that. Didn't say it's 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.720 very true, but it is. It is a delightful holiday. 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.040 And uh, but the fire drill never sleeps. We're here 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.800 to talk about what's happening in a golf such as 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.480 it is. Still play the Skins Game, Allen. You know, 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.160 I would say one of the top five stories I 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.360 ever wrote in my entire life was the Skins Game. 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.000 In ninety five, I was I've done my internship at 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.920 s I and then I was I was back at 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:22.840 U c L as an undergraduate but still writing for 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.040 the magazine, and our beloved editor James P. Harry it's like, 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.440 I hate the Skins Game, Go go rip the Skins Game. 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:32.000 I was like, okay, and uh it was so over 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.240 the top and like I read it now and I blush, 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.640 But of course it was grounded in truth. The whole 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.840 thing was a total turkey. But I mean, really it 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:44.280 was like, listen to this lineup, Tom Watson, great golfer, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:50.800 but low one Pizzas, Corey paven Um, Peter j Peter Jacobson, 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:52.960 who I like Jake, but you know he was a 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.680 little past the sell by date. And I can't remember 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.760 who the fourth one was, but it was that was 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:59.600 part of the thing. I mean, started out with Nicholas 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.200 and Paul or in Trevino and now you got Corey 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.760 paven I mean it was anyway, So I have I 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.320 have fond memories of the Skins game because everyone was 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.560 so mad about that story. Like Jacobson rode my ask 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.160 for years after that because I remember saying like his 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.440 pattern was as canned as a as a talk show monologue. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.159 And every time you see he's like, oh I'm a 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.000 talk show host. Is that what you think about me? 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:24.360 Like for years, for years, See, this is the fire drill. 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.680 This is what the fire drill is all about. Stories 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:30.479 like Peter Jacobson. Well you'll appreciate this right, quick quick 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.560 note on Corey pavin As you know, as you both know, 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.320 he used the bulls eye putter for years and and 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.920 part of my uh working through the yips, I went 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:41.400 to a bulls eye because you could go left, you 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.000 and righty, So I saw him one year and I said, Cray, 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.719 I'm just curious those bulls eye putters do they have 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.400 loft on both sides of the face, because as we 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.520 all know, putters are not vertical. They have they have 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:56.080 a slight degrader of love to him, and uh uh 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.320 and and and Corey Paven says, uh, let me guess 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.359 you're going on the long ones and Lefty on the 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:05.000 short ones. I'm like, how could you possibly know? He said, 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:11.640 We've seen everything. That's awesome. Yeah, Well, Corey Paven one 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:12.960 of the few people on the plant who has had 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.960 both of bar Mitzvah and a baptism. So shout out, 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.400 shout out, shout out to Corey. It's the holiday season. 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:24.359 He's very inclusive. Did he why is that? Did he 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.919 marry into his wife is Jewish? No, he was Jewie. 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.800 He grew up Jewish and then and then he went 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.960 he gave his life to Christ and so but he 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.320 saved a little bit for golf. But quick, quick note 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.919 on that one. When you're at at Hilton Head the 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:43.679 week after the Master's Easter Sunday and pass Over Sunday 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.760 fell on the same Sunday. And I said to Corey, 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:50.599 are you accepting duel holiday? Uh? You know, greetings? He 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:55.479 said absolutely. He was very good natured about it. Actually. 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:57.800 So I did a big feature story on Corey Paven 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.120 again in that that little sort of that we in 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.720 between when I finished mentorship and before I started full 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.200 time at s I, and it was it was this. 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.520 It was the winter of ninety four and it was 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.520 before he won at Shinnecock And that was like the 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.080 whole thing of the story. Best player without a major 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.400 can you can Corey do it? The gritty gutty brew 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:16.920 And you know, we shared U c l A roots. 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.040 He didn't have a suite, you said, U c l 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.359 A license room on his black portion, which I appreciated 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.520 as a fellow brewin. And and so we went out fishing, 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.400 like because you know, when you do these future stories, 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.440 you gotta do something. And I'm not much a fisherman. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:31.480 I don't think Corey is either. So he's he's casting 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.599 his line and this is a lake and wherever he 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:38.640 lived in Orlando, and this fucking alligator like snapped it 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.760 whatever the lure was, and he hooked a little like 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.799 baby alligator and he's like, oh my god, this is terrible. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:46.720 You can't catch alligator. This is like, this is a 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.280 violation of state law. So like, well, what are we 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.760 supposed to do? Like so he's like trying to gently 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.920 reel the gator in, Like I was thinking, Okay, if 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:56.680 he gets this thing on the boat, he's got million 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:58.280 dollar hands. He's not the one who's gonna pull the 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:04.360 lure out of this. The skaters Allen Simney gets major 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:08.600 champions fingers bitten off while fishing for story. Yeah, they 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.480 start calling me seven finger Joe or whatever. But does 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:16.800 anyone associated with irons quite like Corey Paven and those 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.600 horrendous v A s irons that he used. I mean, 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.520 no one looks like random golfers. I mean, and I 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.880 know Corey is not totally random, but I'm saying, like, 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.840 outside of the greats, no one is associated with a 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.760 set of irons more than Corey Paven and those Cleveland irons. Yeah, 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:35.640 maybe Calcavecchio with the ping Eye two. But um yeah, 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.800 So he was playing them at that moment in time, 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.680 in like winter of and so we went to the 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.600 range and he's hitting balls with them and then shot 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:45.920 tied to the end of a shaft. I know, I 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.720 was like, I'm just I'm just beating around the bus, 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.120 Like Corey, you know, how do you think these irons 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.560 have changed your game? And Corey, do you have any 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.880 you know, any second thoughts about and uh, Corey, but 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:57.680 you know, is there anything that the technology doesn't help 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.840 you work the ball? Like he's like he's like, he's like, 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:01.640 just go ahead and ask it. Just ask it. I said, Okay, 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:05.280 were those irons a mistake or what? And like were 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.320 those things? Well, Alan, did you write about him before 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.360 or after the US Open win? Before? So I think 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.800 the story came out in maybe February of ninety five 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:16.960 and he won that US Open. Later, what did he 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.400 what do you win with that U s Open with? Well, 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:24.240 that's a good question. I mean I remember it's still 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.480 be being they'd still be being made if they was 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.920 with those Yeah, I think he must have switched him out, 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:30.280 but he still had him. When I was hanging out 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.760 with him in Orlando around the Underweighted club that V 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.480 A S A S. And it was like it had 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.080 a little it was like the shaft wasn't at the 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.880 end of the club head it was there were shovels 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.400 basically shovels and they had purple backs. It was insane. 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.480 They were sick. I mean, don't don't make a Patrick 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:56.959 Read joke, because he still could be trigger happy. First 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.120 of more, I think we can all agree that when 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.120 in a bunker to a robriate to shovel out the 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.559 sand behind your ball, there's the We would never just 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:08.000 spares Patrick Read, especially at an exhibition to match, an 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.120 exhibition tournament like the year World Challenge that giving out 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.520 Cocus World ranking points. And did Corey Paven did he 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.880 captain that Ryder Cup team that when we played that 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:18.920 year we played that really good golf course in Wales. 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:23.400 Was that Royal fourth call which you never remember fourth 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.200 called let me tell you something that was by far 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.680 the most memorable part of that week, such an unmemorable rug. Well, 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.280 I didn't anticipate this fire drill would devolve into Corey 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:37.000 Paven content, but um, yes, that was That was an 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.520 ethic ryder Cup because remember the captain as his wife 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.480 was wrapped naked, wrapped in a flag on the carver. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.680 This magazine in the British pressman crazy with that. And 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.040 then yeah, and then there was this cock up with 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:56.800 the rain gear and the leaky and the freaking the 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.800 You know it flooded out the golf course. You're in Wales, 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.040 you can anticipate it's going to raid. Why did they 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:04.720 pick a golf course at the bottom of a valley? 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.160 And it was just like an absolute cloud show from 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:08.960 start to finish. And of course when you had one 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.320 of the best golf courses in the world down the street. Yeah, 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.600 way better than the host venue. Yes, and go ahead 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.280 and red uh. Jake might have to cut this out, 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.360 but well we'll deem it. Marty Carr from the u 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.600 T I told me that was joking and it has 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.920 to do with whales. H A guy walks into a 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.760 bar in the UK. Oh, Jake's coming in. That's never 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.480 a good sign. So I'm not sure if this being 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:33.040 the podcast or not. But while we were um, while 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.040 we were talking, Michael was doing an internet search. We 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:37.600 could we could hear it in the background and so 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.120 our producer and Jake Muldowney scolded him. It reminds me 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.320 I just started watching this show last night. Have you 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:47.400 heard of Fleischman is in trouble? No? I think the 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:52.360 protagonist might be Jewish. Yeah, just to keep just to 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.040 keep the theme going here, it's the Holidays. It's the 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:58.880 Holidays and um, oh my god, it is a plus. 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.839 It's based in a book that I loved, and it 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:07.880 is so funny. It's basically like it's on Hulu. Uh, 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.400 it's the kid who was in Social Network, which sidebar. 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.920 I think we're the best movies a century and Claire 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.520 Dayes is in it, and Michael, you'll appreciate this. Uh. 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.560 It's like basically a modern telling of Portnoise Complaint and 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.640 it is laugh out loud funny. So that's just a 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:24.520 little for those of you who are looking to Um, 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:26.880 it's just started. I think there only three episodes into 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:31.080 the first season. It is a plan but not viewing. 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.280 Can we talk about finally, golf? I've told the show 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.440 needs to be about golf, and here we are not 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.120 talking about golf except for via signs, which are great. 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.640 They ranked player which is ridiculous and I'm ronic one 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:49.040 again in Australia and wait, is Cam down? Yeah? I 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.640 think I think, so I haven't. I haven't looked. That's 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.520 an absolute first. So I was actually gonna bring this up. Yeah, 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.160 So Cam Smith won the Australian p g A and 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.880 m we know that various tainted player of the Year 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.480 awards go out number three. Yeah, what the hell, Ryan, 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:11.640 I mean he will he will keep dropping inexorably. But no, 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.160 he's yeah, he's still love that. But um, I was gonna, 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.040 I was gonna ask this question. Who is the player 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:18.679 of the year in golf? You have Rory who won 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.080 the FedEx Cup and the Race to Dubai and various 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.920 other tournaments that played at an exceptionally high level. Or 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.720 you have Cam Smith, who won the Players Flagship event 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.360 of of the PGA Tour. Ironically he's won on the 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.439 Live Tour. He's one in Australia, happened to win of 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.800 the tournament in St Andrews. I mean, to me, it's 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.560 got to be Cam. But there are about John rom 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:39.960 winning on three continents, as he likes to tell us. 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:45.040 Yeah he deserves mentioned, but um you know, smaller time tournaments, 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.360 it's Camp Smith, It's Camp Smith. Michael. Do you want 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.160 do you want even make an argument for Rory just 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:54.360 for the sake of making an argument? You dare double 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:58.840 dog dare No, No, okay, that's Cap Smith. I think 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.400 it brings up a bigger point though, is like Cam 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.240 Smith still his third idea like he's going to fall right. 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.280 I don't know how long, how long this wind helps him, 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.480 and I don't know how to do eventually if he 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.240 just continues to play you know, live events and they 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:16.320 don't get points, like if you're if he drops to say, 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:20.319 and you're the nineteenth ranked player, you know, like it 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:27.120 becomes it becomes an obsolete ranking system when everyone knows 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.360 that there's x amount of players however many, and that 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.800 at that time live players are are falling down the 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:37.160 list like it's it. It just devalues the o w 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:42.319 g R to a joke basically, Michael, you wrote a 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.520 column about this a few days ago on Firepit Collective 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.400 dot com. What are your thoughts about the current state 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.640 of the o w g R. I mean, truly, you know, 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:52.559 I I never really thought of it, just the way 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:57.600 that Ryan worded that, but it's it's true. I mean, 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:59.920 now Cam Smith is not gonna have any problems came 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.040 any tournaments because of what he's won. He's set for 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.280 at least the next five years and probably only than that. 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.080 I think it's truly I felt like it was never 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.160 truly worthwhile a lot of people would argue that it 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:15.040 is but I don't see what purpose it serves now. 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.160 And I posted that question. You know, you know, David's 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.400 love is the person who planted this idea in my 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.320 head that we don't really need the World Golf Ranking. 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.680 Upon further review, what he's really saying is they shouldn't 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.320 use Every tour should have its own ranking system, and 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.520 that and they and this is actually from David Fay, 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:32.240 the former executive director of the U s g A. 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.400 His idea was that the four major should get together 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:40.800 and they should decide on the criteria for getting into 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.560 the majors and only the major's Let live does Let 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.720 Live do its thing, Let the PGA Tour do it's thing, 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.760 Let the dp World Tour do it's thing. And I 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.080 think that's great sense, Alan, I, as you and I 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.800 have talked about before. I'm sure Ryan knows this as well. 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:58.320 It's a commercial venture that was invented by the guy 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.720 who founded I MG and another I to get their 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:05.120 international players into more tournaments. As Gene Baman, the former 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.640 pH Tour commission told me last week when McCormick came 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:10.800 up with it, and this is funny. It what he 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:16.040 wasn't being altruistic, Yeah, I mean that would be like 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.400 if if we came up with the official World Golf 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.720 Media rankings and the three of us were one, two 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.560 and three, and you know everyone else is below us, 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.280 would be like, Okay, that's slightly suspicious. I mean we could, 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.360 we could invent some metric to justify it. But uh, 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.400 you know, like John Garwardy belongs to the top three 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:39.880 of all time according to US. Yes, I know, emeritus 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:44.120 at least. But Claire Rodgers from Golf magazine, Uh, you 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.000 both worked with her, uh, said that we should do 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.160 a bit for media members, you know, and see where 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:54.480 everybody ranks and and you know, just pay off the best. 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.960 I mean, let's do it. I mean, we need an 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.120 independent body to to pay it out, though you can't 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:00.840 have it come from the two. But like, I don't 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.920 know if the tour is too independent. That's what I'm saying. 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.720 We should get like we get the Pulitzer commissioned. But 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.000 will they get into the pit business? What what? What? 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.480 What would it be? Ryan? What is her point? I'm 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.880 just saying, like it's it's she was being rank. She 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.040 was just she was it was a joke. It was 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.400 like Tiger didn't do anything, so like let's say, uh, 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.800 I don't know somebody who's retired or that doesn't write 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:26.720 much anymore. You guys wouldn't know better, but they would 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.160 automatically win because they were great forever, right like Dan Jenkins, 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:33.440 Like Dan Jakin's winning the PIP even though he's fucking dead. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:35.720 just be like, Oh, I mean he's been the greatest. 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.120 That's all there is in modern golf journalism. Let's have 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.440 an honorarium forever. Yeah, it's like the dream of Tiger 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.880 U well Man post a quick question here on the 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:45.920 on the subject Pip and I know you're gonna get 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.720 to it. What do you both think? In his heart 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:53.520 of hearts, he wouldn't admit it, not even to Erica. 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:59.760 Does Tiger Woods thing him winning the fifteen million dollar 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.040 for place Pip Grand Prize even though he played what 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:07.679 about three events? Well, he knows it's lame. But I 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.840 think even I remember when remember Michael Jordan's when he 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.560 because the salary cap is if he finally signed his 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.600 first big contractors, like for thirty million dollars and it 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.600 was by far the biggest contract in the league, and 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.320 he complained he was still underpaid because that was factual. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.880 So I'm sure Tigers like I was, I've always been underpaid, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.240 so this is like back pay. I think he sees 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.040 it as something that he's owed and that he's due 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.560 and what however, cheeseball the mechanism is to put in 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.440 his pocket. I don't think he's that mad about it. 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:38.879 I think if you gave him truth Stoom, if you 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.120 gave him truth Stom and he said, well, he would go, yeah, 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.000 it's ridiculous. But if they're gonna pay it, I definitely 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.119 deserve it, and he would be right. I mean, like, 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:52.280 if they're going to give it to anybody, it's I mean, no, no, 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.639 like it's a ridiculous I just said this in a 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.359 text to a player. I don't I don't know if 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.920 you play, like just say it, like to be like, hey, 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.680 this is it, Like we we make fun of live 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.840 for these guaranteed contracts, like Tiger is going to get whatever. 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:12.160 The first place prize for pip is is im Perportuity 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.640 is going to be two Tiger Woods, So just say 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:16.320 it's part of his kind. I mean, just say, hey, 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.840 we're gonna give Tiger Woods forty five million dollars or 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.399 a hundred million dollars or whatever. Don't try to claim 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.960 that there's some metric that measures it, like it's insane, 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.600 Like just say, hey, Tiger has been great for this game. 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.720 He's an important part of it. He's gonna limp out 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.000 there a couple of times a year and we're gonna 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.879 rine him a check for fifteen million. That's it. It's okay. 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.040 No one would be mad at that. Yeah. I made 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.200 this point in a recent ask Allen. And the one 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:42.960 thing that Tour had going for it in it's in 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.760 this this battle for hearts and minds against Live is 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:47.919 that it was a meritocracy and you gotta earn it 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.720 over here and over over. On Live, they're just giving 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.399 away money and they're they're they're chanting the competition and 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.200 they're demotivating the players. But now that Tours doing that too, 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.320 because like you said, there's never any doubt that Tiger 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:01.800 and Rory one two in the pit just as a 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.600 thank you for their advocacy. And we knew that that 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.800 Justin Thomas would be three or four because he was outspoken. 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:09.920 It's like it is just a slush fund to buy 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.760 these guys loyalty. No one's mad about it, Like Okay, 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:14.480 we want to keep our best players, so we're gonna 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:18.000 make him We're gonna make him home. I mean, that's like, 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.480 it is what it is. I'm to Alan's pointed about. 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.040 You know, the whole point of the pH A Tour 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.080 is earn and earn it. Why not just do it 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:30.520 on a meta, on a meritocracy basis, and just pay 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.080 more money to the players who finished at the top 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.880 of the money list because Tiger wouldn't be there, because 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:37.840 Tiger's never going to be near the top of the list, 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.359 and and Rory's not gonna be either. I mean, Rory 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.080 might be, but if he like splits up his time 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:45.639 between Euroupe and here, they just want to pay their 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.919 best players. That But that's what the FedEx Cup is, Michael, 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.000 there's this. It's Gary. It's guaranteed up to a point, 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.000 but you sort of have to earn it. Like but 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:56.880 it's the fixes kind of in like they've already loved 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.640 the tour, doesn't doesn't want to pay Corey Connors any 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.520 extra money, Okay, Like if he want the money list 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:06.120 and they got fifteen more million, they'd be like Jesus, 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:07.919 like this one's gonna hurt I gotta write a fifteen 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:11.560 million dollar check to Corey Connor to be fair to 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.800 the people listening. I love Corey Connors. I think he 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.879 deserves it. Go ahead. I think the real question is 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.320 does the tourer want to be true to what the 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:23.680 tour has always represented? And sadly it's not. And I 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.560 think actually that's going to cost the tour in the 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:29.359 long run. I think they want to Michael, they can't. 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.119 I mean that, what like there are other choice is 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.040 to let if they don't do anything, if they didn't 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:39.400 do these elevated events, if they didn't do pitt Eventually 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:43.160 the money being dangled by the Lift Tour just becomes 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.520 too good in my opinion. I mean, it already has 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.240 been too good for very top players if there wasn't 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:53.760 some some change on the PGA Tour. Again, I don't 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.400 really blame the PGA Tour for changing. I blame them 0:20:56.440 --> 0:21:00.240