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Speaker 1: this week's episode of The Fire Drill, we somehow have

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Speaker 1: talked about all of the following things. Corey Paven and

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Speaker 1: We talked about Greg Dorman. We talked about the comparison

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Speaker 1: We talked about Shano hair, which I love, and we

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Speaker 1: I hope everybody's holiday weekend. We also talked about how

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Speaker 1: turkey sucks and turkey sucks. Uh, here's the three of

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Speaker 1: it's happy Thanksgiving? What's up man? How was everybody good? Good? Michael?

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Speaker 1: How are you a little salmon out at this point?

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Speaker 1: You know how it is in the barmburger house? Yeah? Respect,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we don't have to turn this into a

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Speaker 1: But does anyone really love turkey? I mean it's just

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Speaker 1: a delivery system for other things. I mean, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you know, what do you? Is turkey on special today?

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Speaker 1: Like no one has ever said that. Didn't say it's

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Speaker 1: very true, but it is. It is a delightful holiday.

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Speaker 1: And uh, but the fire drill never sleeps. We're here

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Speaker 1: to talk about what's happening in a golf such as

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Speaker 1: it is. Still play the Skins Game, Allen. You know,

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Speaker 1: the magazine, and our beloved editor James P. Harry it's like,

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, and uh it was so over

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Speaker 1: But of course it was grounded in truth. The whole

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Speaker 1: Like for years, for years, See, this is the fire drill.

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Speaker 1: tour has they are trying to quantify it, but it

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Speaker 1: is They all got in a room and go, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: we need to quantify Tiger winning every year. To come

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Speaker 1: up with a system Tiger every year. I know, but

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Speaker 1: if you if you do a deep dive on the

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Speaker 1: on some of the pip stuff. It is funny like, um,

428
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Speaker 1: you know, John Ram went from ninth to fiveth, which

429
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Speaker 1: meant extra many millions of dollars, but you didn't actually

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Speaker 1: pass anybody. It's just the Live guys. Everybody left, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Nicholson to Shambo, DJ and Brooks were excised and that's

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Speaker 1: how we roll went from ninth to fifth. It's not

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Speaker 1: even popular, never was. But the other guys. Can either

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Speaker 1: of you explain to me this absolute weirdness by which

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Speaker 1: some guys got paid based on what the rules will

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Speaker 1: be in three. I really didn't understand that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that was That was Headecki and cam Young you

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Speaker 1: cam ung I. I believe that those two players were

439
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Speaker 1: possibly going to sign with Live and magically they've gotten

440
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Speaker 1: a to another two million dollars. It's like it's like

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Speaker 1: it's a fixed system. It's no possible way it is

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Speaker 1: because the tour is completely upstanding. They would never do that.

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Speaker 1: It's just I didn't even understand incidental. I didn't even

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Speaker 1: understand that. Alan, can you explain the footnote? The footnote

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Speaker 1: is they didn't want those guys to leave, so they

446
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Speaker 1: came up to right the Phillies. Phillies might win the

447
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Speaker 1: World Series next year, and they played pretty durnwell this year,

448
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Speaker 1: so we're going to give him a World Series ring anyhow.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, the tour basically said we're going to

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Speaker 1: change the rules next year. But if these if if

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Speaker 1: the new rules were in effect this year, these guys

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Speaker 1: would have finished in the top twenty. So we don't

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Speaker 1: want to penalize them for an old system, which is

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Speaker 1: still the current system. So we're gonna give the money

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Speaker 1: under the new system. Which doesn't completely coincidental that those

456
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Speaker 1: two players were in talks with Live not even you

457
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Speaker 1: know that five word piece that you might or might

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Speaker 1: not write about how Tim and Finchham gone to Augusta National.

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Speaker 1: It already won the Golf Writers Association Award for News,

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Speaker 1: so I would even I wouldn't even bother writing it

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Speaker 1: at this point. I I will look forward to getting

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Speaker 1: the plaque in the mail. Um. Yeah, the whole thing

463
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Speaker 1: is so nutty, and but I, you know, I agree

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Speaker 1: with both of you, Michael, like I does think. I

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Speaker 1: do think that this this damages the tours standing and

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Speaker 1: it makes them look ridiculous, and it makes them look cheesy,

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Speaker 1: And I agree with Ryan that they had to do

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Speaker 1: something and this was some way to to hand out

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Speaker 1: the money, and so this is just here, this is

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Speaker 1: where we are. Yeah, I mean that second part is

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Speaker 1: really interesting to me because why why do you feel

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Speaker 1: he had to do something? In other words, if you

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Speaker 1: redefine yourself to such a degree that you're not what

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Speaker 1: you have been, then are you actually defeating your own

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Speaker 1: stated purpose? Well, Michael, this is the difference is you're

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Speaker 1: an idealist and Ryan is a realist. And I agree

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Speaker 1: with what you're saying that that the tour has always

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Speaker 1: been a symbol of of of of of merit, and

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Speaker 1: it's always been the ultimate proving ground. But those days

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Speaker 1: are over. I mean, the landscape has changed so dramatically,

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Speaker 1: that human nature being what it is, when the money

482
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Speaker 1: being so big that the tour had to fight for

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Speaker 1: its top players. And you can't do that with pats

484
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Speaker 1: on the back, and you can't do it with um,

485
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: you know, feel good TV commercials. You gotta do it

486
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Speaker 1: with cold hard cash. That's just that's what the name

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Speaker 1: of the game is. And they had to find a system,

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Speaker 1: and this is what they came up with. You see,

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Speaker 1: I think that it was so called best players left

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Speaker 1: then you know his Nicholas has been saying this for

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Speaker 1: a while. Then new best players would emerge eventually, But like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, who who's who's the best player who's emerged

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Speaker 1: in the in the last couple of years. It's Cam Smith,

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Speaker 1: He's gone, Oh Cam Young? You know some someone will

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Speaker 1: come up. Yeah, but yeah, Young was almost gone. And

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Speaker 1: and if they didn't do all these things and they

497
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Speaker 1: didn't give it to him, he's probably already gone. Well.

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Speaker 1: And and Scottie Shuffler would be the other player who's

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Speaker 1: really emerged in the last twelve eight months. And we

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Speaker 1: all love the guy, but he's boring as hell, and

501
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Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard to build. I mean, are you

502
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Speaker 1: gonna are you gonna make Scotty Shuffler your your show pony?

503
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Speaker 1: Like if they lost speed, then they lost Rory, Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you're right, Eventually new players fill

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Speaker 1: the void. But but not if you not, if you're

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Speaker 1: considered a triple a of of golf, like you gotta

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Speaker 1: have you gotta have an argument about who who's the best,

508
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Speaker 1: what's the best tour In order to have some value

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Speaker 1: to create new stars, you see. I think there's a

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Speaker 1: built in supposition to what you both are saying that

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Speaker 1: the world has some ryan What the supposition? What is that?

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Speaker 1: Keep talking about them? I think that I think there's

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Speaker 1: a built in supposition to what you guys are saying

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Speaker 1: that there's some kind of demand for a global golf tour,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think there is. The best players did

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Speaker 1: come gravitate to the United States, including seven, Greg Norman

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Speaker 1: and many others over the years, Cam Smith and Rory

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Speaker 1: McElroy because the tour had, you know, the best events,

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Speaker 1: the best range balls of course, the highest purses and

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Speaker 1: all the rest. But it was still an American tour,

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Speaker 1: and there was a European tour, and there was a

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Speaker 1: nation tour. And I don't really think that's ever going

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Speaker 1: to change. And uh, at some point this this this

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Speaker 1: lived tour is going to have to I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just don't actually think it's going to fly as

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Speaker 1: a global tour because there's no history of that ever succeeding.

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Speaker 1: There's a there's a history for the opposite, and that's

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Speaker 1: why the four Majors are the four majors. Michael, I

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Speaker 1: agree with that part in some sense, but it doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean the players of today wouldn't leave like they Obviously,

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Speaker 1: everybody has a price within reason. I mean Cam Smith,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he was lying when he said, hey,

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Speaker 1: have enough money, you know, I want to buy fishing boats, whatever.

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Speaker 1: And then they put out whatever. They put out two

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars for him to go, and he's like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: two hundred million dollars, it's still two hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Uh uh. I mean, I just I just don't I

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Speaker 1: I don't think the players would care enough with the

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Speaker 1: right price. And I mean they've made a ton of inroads.

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Speaker 1: They have some of the best players, you know, they have.

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Speaker 1: People can argue about this all the time, but at

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Speaker 1: some point they have like whatever, seven of the top ten,

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Speaker 1: you know, or seven players that have been in the

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Speaker 1: top ten. I mean they have some of the best

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Speaker 1: players in the DJ and and Brooks were the best

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Speaker 1: player in the world not too long ago. And they're gone.

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Speaker 1: They're gone, and they were gone from our consciousness. I mean,

548
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: when do you ever think about either of those guys.

549
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: I just wrote it. I just wrote a story about

550
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Speaker 1: Brooks's brother, so a lot, and he turned me down

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Speaker 1: for what's his what's his agent's name, Jeff Blake with

552
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: the Bengals quarterback Blake Smith Blake, Smith Blake, if you're

553
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: listening next time, it was yeah, Blake, it was a

554
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: bad choice, Blake, like, this is such a humanizing story

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Speaker 1: and the whole Worlds Brooks is a dick. This would

556
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Speaker 1: have been a nice chance for him to show that

557
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: he's a caring, loving big brother and show a softer

558
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: side and it was anyway, well let's move on. But um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we can talk about this forever. I think again,

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00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: you guys are both right, Like, yes, Michael, there's there's

561
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Speaker 1: not a ton of interest and live golf other than

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Speaker 1: the noise around it. No one's bought into the competition

563
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Speaker 1: yet and it maybe in three or five years it

564
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: does kind of fizzle out, but the PGA Tour could

565
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: not give up its stars for that long. And um,

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Speaker 1: you know, like Sam burn is another guy who's really

567
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: emerged in the last few years and there's no golf

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Speaker 1: and that has the same emotional investment in Sam Burns

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Speaker 1: as they do. And George Speed like you can't replace

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Speaker 1: one with the other and think it's not going to

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Speaker 1: hurt the tour. I'm not saying Jordan is ever even

572
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: close to leaving, but like it's those top guys, you

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Speaker 1: have to they drive the whole sport. I mean, when

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Speaker 1: Jordan is playing well, there is an electricity around the

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Speaker 1: golf world that you can't you can't just plug another

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Speaker 1: layer in and think that people are gonna care in

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Speaker 1: the same way. It's a you know, there's a unique

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Speaker 1: confluence of personality and game and history and um. You know,

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Speaker 1: so the tour had to keep their guys. They just did.

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Speaker 1: I I don't agree. I really do believe it's golf

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Speaker 1: that drives golf and uh, and whoever wins, you know,

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Speaker 1: Curtis Strange became Curtis Strange on the basis of winning. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There was a period, you know, after Nicholas is heyday

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Speaker 1: and even Watson's heyday in the eighties when they sort

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00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: of look like automatons and you couldn't tell the difference

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Speaker 1: between you know, you know, John Cook and the next guy.

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Speaker 1: But first off, but there was no other place to

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Speaker 1: watch golf, Michael, now there is. That's that's the difference.

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00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: It's like, really, what what what what is the other

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Speaker 1: place to watch golf live? I'm saying there's another name

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Speaker 1: three people. I love that. I'm just saying there's another

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Speaker 1: place to get it, Like you know, people, I totally

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Speaker 1: agree with you, Michael. I've said it many times. Live

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00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: is like a snooze fest. To me, I'm not disagreeing

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Speaker 1: with you. I don't. I would from a golf perspective,

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00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: I want the PGA Tour to be the place that

597
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: I watched my golf. It's just the way it is.

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00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: But well, there hasn't, but there hasn't been another place

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Speaker 1: to get it because Live has not been on TV,

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Speaker 1: so like this this this year. You're right, Michael, that

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Speaker 1: really wasn't. But assuming that that that's TV deal happens

602
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: before Live launches in February, like that would be a

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00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: game changer. If you can walk into a grill room

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00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: and COMMUNI course and have Live on, or you can

605
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: just while you're channel surfing, you can ease theisiblicks are

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00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: ahead of the Red Dragons. But the point is, if

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Speaker 1: you're a casual golf fan and you you have you

608
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: can choose between watching like a Dustin cam Smith Brooks

609
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: kept Bryson the Shambo shootout versus Sam Burns beating um.

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00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: You know Corey Connors. I think a lot of people

611
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: will do fault players that they know, and so this

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00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: was this year was a beta test for Live. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think we could really make any serious um

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00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: or drawing serious conclusions until the end of twenty three,

615
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: when they've had a full year on TV and they've

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00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: baked out their concept and they're not just building the

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00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: plane while they fly it. So, UM, I think the

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00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: jury style this question and I like that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I I appreciate the courage of your convictions, Michael, And uh,

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Speaker 1: that's part of this forum is we're free to disagree

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Speaker 1: with each other. But um, I think Live can evolve

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Speaker 1: into something that people will watch passively. They may not

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Speaker 1: care as much, But I think, did you say passionately?

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00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: I said passively? It's just kind of on and you

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00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: and you enjoy. Yeah, right, that's that's that's a that's

626
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Speaker 1: a big difference because to me, the things that we're

627
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: drawn to actually have some cultural emotional impact on our lives.

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Speaker 1: Like let's say, like the winner of the Baseball World Series,

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Speaker 1: the winner of you know, the of the of the

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Speaker 1: Japan Baseball League's World Series. It would be novel and

631
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: it would be sort of interesting, but it wouldn't be

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00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: bigger than the World Series, would just be some added

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00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: on thing. Uh. I think they've got an immense challenge

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Speaker 1: ahead of them. And you know, also even like every

635
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Speaker 1: once in a while there's a freakish event on the

636
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Speaker 1: PGA Tour, like they're at Tampa, you know, and shawn

637
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Speaker 1: O hair plays good. It's like, wow, where's this guy Ben?

638
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: And uh, there's it's so beautiful. Uh, because he earned

639
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Speaker 1: his way in. He earned his way into the final group.

640
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Speaker 1: And now like, let's see what this skinny kid can do.

641
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Speaker 1: I mean that to me is golf? How old is

642
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Speaker 1: Shuttle here? Yestree? I was gonna say forty one? Hold on,

643
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna say thirty nine. Shuttle't here,

644
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: it's forty years old. Good call Alan, Hey, this is

645
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: a fun little bit. Let's not. Let's not. There's a

646
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: bit that just ended. Um. But you've been you've been

647
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Speaker 1: talking about how how much money is in professional golf?

648
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: You see. You see the power of being the host, Bryan,

649
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: Because I would love to ask you, how do you

650
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: think Chrissie kim is I can't because that bit is over. Sorry,

651
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: it's a great question. I love to know what you think.

652
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: I'll never get your answer. Well, whatever wants to talk about,

653
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: go ahead and talking about this. It's not it's not

654
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: about me. It's about the listeners, and we don't want

655
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Speaker 1: to test their patients while Ryan searches the Internet modem.

656
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: By the way, Ryan Allen ship because of my good

657
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: friends for twenty five years, I cannot tell you his

658
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: age with a half decade everybody. Every two years I

659
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: have to ask Schipnuk are you older younger than Tiger Woods?

660
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: And even right now I can't remember older older. Actually

661
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: I have a big birthday coming up in May. I'll

662
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: be I'll be for the Senior Tour. So it makes

663
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: things easier. I think I can remember that. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Uh oh well, okay, speaking of Tiger Ways, let's let's

665
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Speaker 1: we gotta touch on this because Tiger Month is about

666
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: to begin. I mean he's playing three times. Um, you

667
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: know he's gonna make those three tournaments fifteen million dollars. Well,

668
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: there's guaranteed payout at the Hero World Challenge too, so

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's an appearance feat that it's a non

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Speaker 1: sanctioned event. Yeah so yeah, So I mean in a

671
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Speaker 1: few days that the hero kicks off down the Bahamas

672
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: and um, you know it's obviously a great field Tigers

673
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: he's and they're giving out world ranking point there's only

674
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Speaker 1: twenty guys there, so Tiger's gonna move up a thousand

675
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: spots just by teeing it up. But I know, I know,

676
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: so for all the tour purists who who who loved

677
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: the bag on Live for trying to get world ranking points,

678
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: this is a tough week for them. Tough week, really

679
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: tough week. And then of course I'm actually I'm sort

680
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: of looking forward of the match seven and they're using

681
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: Roman numerals, another affront to to the Live people. The

682
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: match v one one. Um, but I mean that's a

683
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: lost oar power. It's Tiger and Rory against JT and Speeed.

684
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: I mean I'll watch that. It's it's always awkward. You know,

685
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: they're biked up, they're trying to be funny and they're not,

686
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: and Tigers brooding and you know JT is being petulant

687
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: like their true selves always come out eventually, But um,

688
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, I that to me, that will be worth watching.

689
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: It's under the lights on a Saturday night after pretty

690
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: much after all the football is over. Um is Michaelson

691
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: doing the play by play on? Yeah? So I mean

692
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: Michael he should that would be epic. But Michelson has

693
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: been booted out of the franchise. That's one of the

694
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: biggest losses of Phil leaving. I mean, he was going

695
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: to be the best announcer in golf history. I mean

696
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: he was going to be unreal and now gone forever.

697
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: I mean, if if Live is smart, they put him

698
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Speaker 1: up there in the in the booth of charity and

699
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: really well, I mean that's um, you know, if if

700
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Speaker 1: they didn't have shotguns, you could do it like put

701
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: Phil the morning wave then he commentates in the afternoon

702
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But unfortunately he's on the course at

703
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Speaker 1: the same time. But um, maybe he'll mysteriously like sprain

704
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: his wrist and he'll just be in the booth for

705
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: the whole all of next year. It would be he

706
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: would be way more valuable on the mic than between

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Speaker 1: the By the way, just quick, before we get more

708
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Speaker 1: into this, shaunow Hare has twenty five million dollars in

709
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: career earnings. I was gonna say that, but we got sidetracked.

710
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: So talking about there's you know, all this new money

711
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: in golf, Well, there's always been money in golf, because

712
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: years ago I was talking to Paul Casey, who's a

713
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Speaker 1: big Porsche guy. He now has a deal and he's

714
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: got a bunch of Porsches, and he was he says,

715
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: he was talking about Shanno Hare's Ferrari collection. I was like,

716
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: shadow Hair has Ferrari's. God, I should have worked at

717
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: my short game like this is when shawn O'Hair was

718
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: like in the depths of of like a multi year slope,

719
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: like it's always been decadent out there, but it's gotten

720
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: way more so. Um. But I was I've rarely been

721
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: that like flabber gas about any piece of information. It

722
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: was nothing against him. He's had a good career, especially

723
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: when he's young. But when he's owner Ferrari's things are

724
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: going well, very well. I've seen him fly coach with me,

725
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: uh West palmed to Philadelphia, so well, maybe maybe he

726
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Speaker 1: sold them off. But at that moment in time, whenever

727
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: that was like, honestly, it's like two thousand thirteen or fourteen,

728
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: I was like, god, damn um. And then of course,

729
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: just to finish off the tiger bit and we'll talk

730
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: about these things when they actually happened. But talking about

731
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Speaker 1: Tiger month, the fifth Major is now the father's son.

732
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: That's the week before Christmas. And um I said this again,

733
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Speaker 1: and one of one of my mail bags that I

734
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Speaker 1: think at this moment in time that that Charlie Woods

735
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: is a single most valuable commercial property in golf. If

736
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: you could sign any player for any endorsement, I think

737
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: it's Charlie Woods because you also get Tiger with him,

738
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Speaker 1: and you're gonna go on this journey with him. Like

739
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: if if I if I became CEO tomorrow of whatever,

740
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Speaker 1: A T and T, and I could only sign one player,

741
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 1: he would be Charlie Woods. Like the interest in that kid,

742
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: and he's you know, he's got a beautiful golf swing,

743
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: he's great looking, he's multicultural, it's got the most famous

744
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: name in sports. Like um, so the the the Charlie

745
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: content that week is gonna be out of control because

746
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: he's gotten bigger and stronger and he's sitting it farther

747
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: and um, you know it's people are just obsessed with him.

748
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying it's the it's it's an indictment

749
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: of popular culture and and and the marketplace and everything else.

750
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: But I honestly believe that that Charlie Wood is more

751
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: valuable than Roy McElroy or Dustin Johnson or John rom

752
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: or any of them. Yeah, the PGA Tour is rooting

753
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: hard for Charlie Woods too to bring it home and

754
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: then a couple of years like skip college be good

755
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: enough at like nineteen or twenty to go directly to

756
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. I mean they are, they are all

757
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: in because if Charlie Woods becomes any sort of player,

758
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: the tables have turned again back towards the PGA Tour.

759
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: I try not to be serious on this show, but

760
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: I just really hope that Charlie Woods can find happiness

761
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: because being Tiger Woods, his kid's gotta beat. I just

762
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: wrote an article about Chase not easy to be the

763
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: little brother of the best player in the world. This

764
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: is obviously on a humongously another level than that, uh

765
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: or thirty times or a hundred times above that the

766
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: kid of Tiger Woods has got some real pressure, especially

767
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 1: because he plays the game at a somewhat good level.

768
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 1: Now he's not like a top top of the world,

769
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: but he's getting better, and uh it's I just hope

770
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Speaker 1: the kid finds some happiness that's way too serious for

771
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: this podcast. But you're never going to live up to

772
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Speaker 1: what your dad did. It's impossible, Uh, And everybody's or

773
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: the general public is going to expect you to be something.

774
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: And I hope that if he wants wins one corn

775
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: for event and never does anything, that he's happy. I

776
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: do think that actually, in a weird way, that the

777
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: pressure is lower on Charlie because we know he can't

778
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: be as good as his dad. Nobody can. And it's also,

779
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know about this very well, Michael, Like,

780
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: in the long history of golf, there's been many sons

781
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: who follow, you know, follow their fathers, and there's been brothers,

782
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: there's it's just it's very rare. I mean, is Bill

783
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: Hoss Is he the best uh you know progeny of

784
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: a tour player to come along? Who's who else is

785
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: in the conversation. But it's not like there's been these

786
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: multigeneration dynasties. Yeah, did did Davis Love Junior quickly? The

787
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: quickly quickly? It's quickly in Dana, Yeah, David Davis Love

788
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: Junior played some tournament golf and Davis three played rap

789
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: Floyd's kid played for a while, yeah, Robert, Yeah, Gary

790
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: player's kids or won the one success successful in golf. Yeah,

791
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: and a lot of them unfortunately weren't successful in light

792
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: and other things in life. Right. Yeah. So, I mean

793
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: I think if Charlie could could if and again this

794
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: is this is a it's an incredibly high bar. If

795
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: you could even just be an everyday tour player and

796
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: maybe squeak out a win here or they're like, that

797
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: would be he would probably be the second greatest son

798
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: in golf history behind Bill has like that, that would

799
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: be an accomplishment. So, um, there is there even a

800
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Speaker 1: single example of a of a daughter of a LPG

801
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: player who who who made it onto the tour the

802
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: second generation lp J player. Yeah, that's not for me. No,

803
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: that's true. Um. I know Honica's kids are really into it.

804
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: Her has a she has a son and a daughter.

805
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: But no, I can't think of any that that's a

806
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: great point. I mean, I mean, I think golf is

807
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: really the um it's it's really a sport of fathers

808
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: and sons. I mean, you know, Ryan, you've written very

809
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: eloquently about the rest of beyond with your dad, and

810
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: that's that's how so many people are drawn to the game.

811
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Speaker 1: It's interesting because, um, you know, I'm I'm writing about

812
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: Greg Norman well all the time, but especially for this

813
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: live book and are another typing colleague, ards Tom Collahan

814
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: Callahan had a great riff about how you know, it's

815
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: always about fathers and sons in golf, but there's only

816
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: there's only two mama's boys out there. One is foul though,

817
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: and his mom was was really the driving persons career,

818
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: and the others Norman because Norman's dad didn't play golf,

819
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: it was his mom, and Norman's exposure to the game

820
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: was caddying for his mom. And so it's interesting that, Um,

821
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Speaker 1: that's just one way they're linked. But it's hard to

822
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Speaker 1: think of any others. You could say Tiger in some

823
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: ways because Tita kind of gave him that killer instinct

824
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: and she was a huge part of his career as well.

825
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: But we all know Earl gets all the credit. So uh,

826
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting debate. I mean, well, we'll see,

827
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Speaker 1: We'll see how how Charlie plays. It's all eyes are

828
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: on Tiger, but in a weird way, Charlie is a

829
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: bigger star coming you know at the father son, have

830
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Speaker 1: you made any Are you gonna try to reach Norman's parents?

831
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: I believe they're still love. Yeah, I put some feelers out.

832
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an interesting it's an interesting challenge. You know,

833
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: this book, the the this lawsuit, this antitrust lawsuit between

834
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: the tour and Live Golf has given everyone to cover

835
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: to say no to interviews and to try and lock

836
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: things down. But I'm I'm starting to make some I'm

837
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: starting to crack that a little bit. Um. I'm when

838
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: I said I was talking about that that show Fleischmann,

839
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Speaker 1: and you said Ari Fleischer, Ryan, I'm I'm actually I'm

840
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: actually dealing with Ari Fleischer because he's, oh, he's he's

841
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: at he's a head of Live or whatever. He's like

842
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: something's whatever. He's basically like a general counsel in some

843
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: ways to that, and so like I have to I

844
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: pretty much have to, I think, convince him to if

845
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get some more face time in Norman. Even

846
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: though you know, I talked to Norman in the parking

847
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: lot in Portland. We had this like come to Jesus

848
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: conversation for half an hour and um, and he said

849
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: he would he shook my hand. He looked me in

850
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: the eye and said, yeah, I'll let's sit down. I'll

851
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: tell you everything. And but you know, everyone has a boss,

852
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: including Greg Norman. So he's been put on ice for now.

853
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: But I'm this is all subject um to negotiation and revision.

854
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's it's it's a fun challenge. Michael.

855
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: He's a really interesting person to write about because you know,

856
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: he is a he is a bright person, he's a

857
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: charismatic person um and he must be extremely popular because

858
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: it seems like everything that he at touches the name

859
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: to his name to cells, and yet it seems like

860
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 1: he's also one of the most reviled figures in golf.

861
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: I've I've spent a lot of time with Norman. I've

862
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: always found very enjoyable really just just to be with.

863
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: I'm really sort of perplexed by, you know, this whole thing.

864
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: You know, if we've heard it from many people, Rory

865
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: and Davis and UH and even UH Commissioner Jay Monahan

866
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,479
Speaker 1: and UH. He's brash and there's a lot of things

867
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: you can say about him, but I don't see the

868
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: level of virtual for him. I don't really know where

869
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: that that comes from you have Do you have an

870
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: insight into that one? Is it what was it always there?

871
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: Um or? Or did come out of lived? Did has

872
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: Tiger stirred it up in some ways? Since there's such

873
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: an amounts of between those two. Yeah, it's interesting. I

874
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: mean I've been going back and reading a lot of

875
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: old stuff about Norman, old magazine profiles, old newspaper clippings,

876
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: um biographies, and everyone seems to think he's really fun

877
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: to hang out with if you can get if you

878
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: can just go out fishing with him, or you can

879
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: sit around and drink a Foster's that he does have

880
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: a lot of charm and charisma, but you put him

881
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: in in the in the arena, whether it's it's a

882
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: golf tournament or it's in a boardroom, and there's a

883
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: different side to him, and it's he's he gets very defensive,

884
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: he's very bitter, he's very calculating, and so I think

885
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: your experience is genuine. Michael, like, if you can just

886
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: if you could just be around him one on one,

887
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: I think I think it's a good company. But you know,

888
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: butch Harmon had a great quote that um I dug

889
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: up somewhere He's like, there's just two Greg Norman's back

890
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: to your point, Michael, I mean, I think a lot

891
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: of the general public probably likes Greg Norman because they

892
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: just don't know the other side of him. Same with Phil. Right,

893
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: this is like he kind of fooled I don't know,

894
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: fooled everybody for a long time. And and maybe live

895
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: has made it more prominent for both of them, obviously

896
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: in the book and whatnot. But like, you know, the

897
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: general golfing public like Greg Norman because he was good looking,

898
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: and he was good and talked, you know, like articulate

899
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: and and fun and I and Phil was fun and

900
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: thumbs up and all that kind of and people loved him.

901
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: The general golf public loved him. That people on the

902
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: inside probably like, yeah, he's an asshole. Yeah. No. The

903
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: parallels are very interesting because Norman and Nicholson have never

904
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: been friends. Of Norman's about fifteen years older, but uh,

905
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: they're definitely kindred spirits. There's a lot of similarities there,

906
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: and they're even the way they played the game right,

907
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, reckless to the point one of all the

908
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: tournaments and they lost a lot of tournaments. But the

909
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: way they lived the life is kind of similar, as

910
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: you're saying, Ryan, like, there's been a lot of there.

911
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: They've left a lot of wreckage behind them, and it's

912
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: wild that they are now. Um, their fortunes and their

913
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: their legacies are linked in some ways. Um, there's just

914
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: a very similar energy around both of them. So it's

915
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: kind of fun to alwinn that as Obviously I went

916
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: deep on Phil and now I'm doing the same on Norman.

917
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: And you may want to save this for the book,

918
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 1: but what is Norman bitter about? I mean, came over

919
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: here with nothing but uh, you know, some golf shirts

920
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: and and look at him, now, why is he better? Yeah,

921
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting thing. I Mean, the guy's always

922
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: you know, the man who had everything right and it

923
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: was never enough, and there was a voracious nous. They're

924
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: almost like an emptiness and um, there's there. If there's

925
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: something devoid at your core, you're always trying to fill

926
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: it up with with other things. And I think that's

927
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 1: kind of been the story of Norman's life. For Greg

928
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: hasn't always just been the the fight to conquer, like

929
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: kind of the Chris Everett right, like, oh hey, I'm

930
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: gonna marry Chris Everett and now I'm not even gonna

931
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: live with her and we're gonna be divorced in a

932
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: few minutes. Like like, if Live becomes the most popular

933
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: golf and the PGA Tour is dead, I don't think

934
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. Both just say it does. Greg's gonna

935
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: leave because, like that said, he like once Live, if

936
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: Live ever gets to the top of the golf world,

937
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 1: Craig's gonna leave because he's just he's all about the fight.

938
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: It seems from the outside, I don't know nothing about

939
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: I've never had any conversations with him, just saying like

940
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: it just looks like from the outside, everything he's done

941
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: has kind of been like the fight, and then when

942
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: it's when the fight's over, he's just like, yeah, I'm

943
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: out of here. Yeah, that's true. He kind of thrives

944
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: on conflict, it seems like. And uh, he's it's an

945
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: interesting it's an interesting thing. I mean, he he's always

946
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 1: been an outsider, right coming trying to conquer Europe early

947
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: in his career, then coming to America, he always had

948
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: to he always had to kind of uh scrap and

949
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: for acceptance, and then he was he was the best

950
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: player in the world and he had all the endorsements

951
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: and he was on the throne, and then that ultimate

952
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: humiliation of trying to get the world tore going. And

953
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: you know that that's obviously a seminal moment in all

954
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: of this. But there's a pattern here, like he's he's

955
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: always been the outsider and he kind of I think

956
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: he thrives on it, but it also, yeah, it embitters

957
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: him because he doesn't have that acceptance that he craves

958
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: so deeply. And so he's a fascinating character and it's

959
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, he's he was, he was the most important

960
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: guy in global golf for a long time and you

961
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: can argue he is once again, which is exactly how

962
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: he wants it. I mean, it is amazing. You know,

963
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: people you know Ryan's age and younger, would you know,

964
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: talk so much about how Justin Thomas and Jordan's Speith

965
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: and Rory McRoy you don't model their their golfing lives

966
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: and ambitions over over Tiger Woods. But in the history

967
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: of golf, there's never been a study of of a

968
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: golfer closer than Tiger Woods. Making the life and times

969
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: of Greg Norman m surprised that story is not more

970
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: widely known. But between Butch Harmon and Steve Williams and

971
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: you know, Greater Jupiter, Florida and just so many you know,

972
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 1: driving it long and and play, you know, Uh, really

973
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: focusing on distance control is the number one goal of

974
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: your irons. Uh. The work ethic of both was extraordinary.

975
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: Butch Harmon, if I didn't mention that, it's just a long,

976
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: long list. Uh, but I don't think the general public

977
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: has really even picked up on that. And and I

978
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: believe the order goes alan You'll know, it's better than

979
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: I I think. I think Greg Norman was the number

980
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: one player in the world according to the Official World

981
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: Golf Rankings is founded by Mark McCormick. Oh, they both

982
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: went to I MJ. And then I think I think

983
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: the next guy was Tiger Woods. Is that correct? Yeah,

984
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: I have to I have to look at it. Six

985
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: or seven, there was there was Tom Lehman was world

986
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: number one for one week in there. It's like one

987
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,479
Speaker 1: of my favorite I think it probably went from Norman

988
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: to Woods. There was a passage at the Mantel for sure,

989
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: and even I mean the nineties six Masters, of course,

990
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: which is a defining moment in Norman's career. He comes

991
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: back in ninety seven, so hell bent on redemption and

992
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: uh he misses the cut and Tiger wins, and it's

993
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: like at that Norman's career ended up at that point,

994
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: like he was ceased to be relevant in any way. Now,

995
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: Tiger he clipped a lot of people, but Norman was hoping,

996
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 1: how one last act and that was it. It It was over.

997
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: And just the the how jarring that was to go

998
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: from one master to the next seven Like what you're

999
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: saying is true, Michael, I mean Tigers stole what should

1000
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: have been Greg's in some ways, you know, whether it

1001
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: was a caddy or was a swing coach or it

1002
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: was it was a place in the game. And and

1003
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: Harmon definitely there was a fork in the road. He

1004
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: had to am, I gonna stay with Norman, orm I

1005
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: gonna go with Tiger, And he obviously we know how

1006
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: what he chose, and and so he chose the guy

1007
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: like Norman's said, he chose correctly guy like Norman is

1008
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: not used to being spurned, and that that burned him,

1009
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: Like there's always been no love loss between those two characters,

1010
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: Tiger and Norman, and you're seeing it still playing out.

1011
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean that was quarter century ago and and there's

1012
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: still on the opposite you know, sides of the of

1013
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: the ledger now, so it's uh, it is. It is

1014
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: interesting subtext and that's definitely something I'm pursuing. But you're

1015
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: you're very perceptive there. Michael Norman loves to tell the

1016
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: story about that they both live. I think that would

1017
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: be considered uh Jupiter Island, and uh they've got these

1018
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 1: little bridges uh to take you over the intra coastal,

1019
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: and Norman loves to tell the story. I'm sure Alan

1020
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 1: you can get to tell it. Uh, where the bridge

1021
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: goes up and Norman pulls up next to Tiger and

1022
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: both in the same car, and Norman's with his wife.

1023
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: Norman's waving a Tiger and Tiger's got that tunnel vision.

1024
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: He knows Norman's there and he will not acknowledge him

1025
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: and waved back. That's I mean, you get that's an

1026
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 1: entire book. That one moment right like that, that tells

1027
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: you so much. And it's uh so yeah, all those

1028
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: things are are going to be fun. Part of this

1029
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: is what I'm typing. But he says a lot about

1030
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: Tiger too, you know how how about you know, so Norman,

1031
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 1: of course did not one of the nineties six Masters,

1032
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: and Faldo did, and how would and now Tiger wins

1033
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: nine and falder drapes that coat on on Tiger Woods.

1034
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean, there's never been a changing of the guard

1035
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: to golf more pointnant than than that. And you know,

1036
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, these super billionaires, you know, why

1037
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: can't they all get along? Why can't great Norman, Nick

1038
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: Faldo and Uhum and Tiger Woods get along? You know,

1039
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: Tiger loves Sevey and allot of the ball and you

1040
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: know various others from that generation. But he really had

1041
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: a thing about those two and Watson and I don't

1042
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: even think it like Ray Floyd that much. No Watson

1043
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, well, Johnny Miller had a great

1044
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: quote about this. Um. It's actually it was a high

1045
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: media's story I remember, and and Miller's like, yeah, it's

1046
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame guys. We don't really get along, you know.

1047
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: It's just He's like, we just it's just a different personality.

1048
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: He's like, we were not meant to mix. And I'm paraphrasing,

1049
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: but uh, there's something to you that. I mean, it

1050
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: takes such a I mean, Nick Price was a nice

1051
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: guy who made number one. There's there's been a few,

1052
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: but you look at you look the best play rs,

1053
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: they tend to be dicks. I mean, we like just go,

1054
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: I'm Ben home and Ben Hoden was a gentleman, but

1055
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: he was certainly frosty. I mean, there's a there's a

1056
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: personality type, like a foul though, like a Floyd Um,

1057
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: like a tiger. I mean, you know Scottie Shuffler a

1058
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: nice guy, but so the legends of they gave a

1059
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: lot of them were crusty. Man, they got an edge,

1060
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: and that's just maybe what it takes. Well, all right,

1061
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: we're coming up on an hour, it's the Witching hour.

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00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: Any final thoughts for our listeners before we release them

1063
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: to um to get on with their lives after Thanksgiving? No,

1064
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 1: happy Thanksgiving to all, and uh always a lot of fun, Allen.

1065
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: I hope you're well the court sing in the new year.

1066
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: Let's end on a serious note. We are thankful for

1067
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: the listeners out there because it gives us a reason

1068
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: to get out of bed. Like this, I like your

1069
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: use of the plural Alan. Yes, well, we all have

1070
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: various family members at the very least, so Uh, but no,

1071
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: it's we do appreciate you guys tuning in and and

1072
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: keeping this thing going. So we will be back for

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00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: another Sunday Fire Drill. It'll be the conclusion of the

1074
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: hero World Challenge, will be a lot to chew on,

1075
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: and uh maybe we'll be more Corey Paven cameos. You

1076
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: never know what you're gonna get on Fire Drill. I'm

1077
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: gonna go buy a Cleveland set of bosses right now. Alan,

1078
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: If if you do get Ari Fleisher, could you ask

1079
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: him if he's related to the late Bruce Slisher, a

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00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: great U s Amitar champion and a great and a

1081
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: great senior player from yesteryear and really a terrific guy.

1082
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: That'll be my opening gambit. See hey, alright, I know

1083
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: this is I'm writing a book, but before that, are

1084
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: you related to Bruce? I mean, yeah, we're all related somehow. Michael,

1085
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: you know if we're gonna get metaphysical here during the

1086
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: holiday season. But thanks everybody for listening and making this

1087
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: a thing. And Michael and Allen, thank you both for

1088
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: all you have done for me and this podcast. That's it.

1089
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: I hate to be serious, but it's okay, right, you

1090
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: can you can be sappy. It's that time of year.

1091
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: So all right, this has been another fire drill. I'm

1092
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: alan ship knuck. That was right, friends, Michael bam Rigger.

1093
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: We will do it again next week. Thanks for listening.

1094
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: That's the end. I've been big and I played to win,

1095
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: made a fortune within my ship game, and I ran

1096
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: the table, never thought I could fall. Then the winter

1097
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: time hit me like a cannon ball, and now I

1098
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: can't shake this losing the street. Every road I take

1099
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: is a dead end street. I got thoughts in my head.

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00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: Can't get him out, trying not to think what I'm

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00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: thinking about about, got tho in my head. I can't

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00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: get him out, trying not to think what I'm thinking

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00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: about