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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer

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Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you argue

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Speaker 1: don't want you to know, including that siren Yes yes,

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Speaker 1: that should give you. That should give you a feeling

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Speaker 1: of breaking news. That should give you a feeling that

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Speaker 1: what will be discussed in this week's Strange News segment

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Speaker 1: is only matters of great import and uh, fellow conspiracy realist,

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Speaker 1: As we always say at the open, any of this,

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff has happened. My patriots and I

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Speaker 1: were just in Nashville, Tennessee for a thing called Podcast Movement.

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Speaker 1: We had a live panel that we are very much

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Speaker 1: looking forward to sharing with you in the near future.

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Speaker 1: Do stay tuned for that. We did escape it relatively unscathed. Also, guys,

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Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this off air. I'd like to

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Speaker 1: I'd like to thank my parents for not telling my

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Speaker 1: extended family that I was in Nashville, because they would

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Speaker 1: have tried to drag all three of us to some

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Speaker 1: not doing that, because that would have been wonderful. Miss church,

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Speaker 1: can you imagine? Again? I did not specify what sort

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Speaker 1: of denomination or belief system it would be. We could

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Speaker 1: talk about it off there if you would like, uh, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there is something to be said, you know, for the

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Speaker 1: power of community. People want to be some part of

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Speaker 1: something bigger than themselves, whether they are whether we're talking

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Speaker 1: about people who just want to be more active in

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Speaker 1: about people who want to volunteer at a local homeless

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Speaker 1: I think everybody should do it more often. Uh. But

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Speaker 1: even if you are at the tippy top of a

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Speaker 1: propose we begin our very first story for today. You see,

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Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist, another company has called for a ban

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Speaker 1: you look cool in movies, and they're the reason that

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Speaker 1: mascot's like the Marlborough Man had such a high historical

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Speaker 1: turnaround because they really were smoking a lot. Can you

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Speaker 1: guess which company I am referring to that has issued

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Speaker 1: as though it's going to be an ironic answer, at

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Speaker 1: least in the Alanis Morisset version of irony, you know,

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Speaker 1: where it's like the the the cigarette company that doesn't

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Speaker 1: it's like a spoon on your wedding day or something

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Speaker 1: used to feed each other cake? Who are a plane

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Speaker 1: and uh, it's true. Philip Morris International, a gigantic company

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Speaker 1: But Philip Morris started in London in eighteen forty seven

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Speaker 1: with a tobacconist named Philip Morris, and later his son

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Speaker 1: It's not a it's not a conspiracy to say that

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Speaker 1: And for decades, for decades, companies like Philip Morris engaged

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Speaker 1: And they also in seventeen they established something that they

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Speaker 1: even said, quote, this attempt by Philip Morris International to

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Speaker 1: So they keep going. You can read their statement in full.

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Speaker 1: and there is nothing wrong with asking questions. This is

429
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Speaker 1: one of the greatest things the human species is able

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Speaker 1: to do, and I applaud it every time I hear it.

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00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: Again in good faith, this does not seem to be that.

432
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: This seems at best a circuitous way to get attention

433
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: or a securitious way to maybe convince people to buy

434
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: into whatever Russia told these people to repeat. And I

435
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: know that might sound harsh, and again I'm I think

436
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: the truth is more important than the fuzzy feeling of validation. Bill.

437
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: Only thing I would want to add to that, Ben,

438
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: because I do agree with you on almost everything there.

439
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: I'm looking at that about page on their website and

440
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: like many of these news outlets that have kind of

441
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: been created over the past, I would say probably two

442
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: decades even maybe three decades, because I would include Fox

443
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: News in here as one of them UH news outlets

444
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: that have been generated as a response to a perceived

445
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: liberal bias within the news outlets that exists the large ones. Right.

446
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: So I think for a lot of people, including perhaps

447
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: the person who wrote this, the person who's putting this out,

448
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: I would say they very likely believe very much that

449
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: they're correct in their assertions. And I I think they

450
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: would say they're doing it in good faith, right, or

451
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: they believe they're doing it in good faith, which is

452
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: a really tough thing to even grapple with because there's

453
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: so many factions and camps now that believe they're they

454
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: are right or on the right side of the argument,

455
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: and it's very difficult to bridge that gap. And I

456
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: love that you want to that you're at least open

457
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: to it, and we did talk about that in the panel.

458
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: I do think that's hopefully where everybody listening to this

459
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: right now wants to be uh we want to come

460
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: to the table with that socratic method and at least discuss.

461
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: And in this case, I also think you're right and

462
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: that this is a way to get attention on a

463
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: growing news outlet that isn't quite where it wants to be.

464
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: Yet they're pretty big. They got they got like a

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Speaker 1: million hits a day during the sixteen presidential campaign, a

466
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Speaker 1: million unique users. Then I retract that statement, but but

467
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: a millions, not a million's not enough if you want

468
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: to reach all seven point eight something billion people, that's right,

469
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, And I would argue, I think

470
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: we're all close to aligned on this, But I don't

471
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: know that this has been good faith. I think this

472
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: is troll fish behavior in many ways. Um. I think

473
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: they believe something along the lines of what they're putting

474
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: out there, but I just don't. I feel like they're

475
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: just trying to muddy the waters in a way that

476
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: discredits their enemies as opposed to actually quote unquote truth telling,

477
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Uh. And it's easy to

478
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: do because it's, like you said, you can flip the

479
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: script pretty quickly. If someone calls you on one thing,

480
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: then you just kind of divert the conversation to this

481
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: other thing that then they must prove uh to be true.

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00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: I've seen it. It's a rhetorical power move. If you're

483
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: talking to something that you disagree with and you question

484
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: them on something. Then they question you, well, did you

485
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: do you know this thing about this other tangentially related thing,

486
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: because if you don't, then you don't know what the

487
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: hell you're talking about about the other thing. And it

488
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: just becomes this like you know, musical chairs, there's like

489
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: factual musical chairs that is impossible to win. So ultimately

490
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: you will just get tired of it and walk away.

491
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: And I really love, uh, the point you made, Matt,

492
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: where we're talking about the sincerity or self perception of people.

493
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: Jim Hoft is the editor. Uh, he got kicked out

494
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: of Sea Pack by the way, um because he because

495
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: of his beliefs regarding mass shootings in the US. So

496
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: I believe there is sincerity as far as I can

497
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: tell on the part of the authors here, on the

498
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: part of the editors. But yeah, moving the goal post

499
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: is what's called an informal fallacy in debate or in

500
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: the art of rhetoric, which is very much an art

501
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: not a science. Don't be fooled. And this this is

502
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: the idea Like no, you're describing. Also, what about is

503
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: m where you say something like, hey, I don't think

504
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: the guy who drives that ice cream van should you

505
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: know throw poop at people and you're like, yeah, well

506
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: what about what about people who uh knock over porta potties?

507
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: Fight the real enemy, shout out to snado O'Connor, etcetera. Like.

508
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: Those are very clever ways of changing a conversation into

509
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: a different conversation when the facts are not on your side.

510
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: And this is not again, this is not necessarily something

511
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: insidious that people do. The human brain is hardwired to

512
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: want to be right. It exists in a constant state

513
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: of sunk cost fallacy. I would say if we're being

514
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: if we're ascribing the most sincere motives to this challenge,

515
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 1: then what we're seeing is a doubling down of confidence.

516
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: Just say, we know we're right, we know we are right,

517
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: and we have such certitude about this that we're gonna

518
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: put our money where our blog is. That's what's happening,

519
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: And that's not necessarily bad right. People do that. It's

520
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: just in this case it's incorrect what they perceive as

521
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: facts or not. It's like one of those claw machines.

522
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: You know. It's like you you can maybe get your

523
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: claw around the stuff to animal that you want, but

524
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: the moment you try to lift it up, that thing

525
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: is going to loosen and dropt right back out of

526
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: your out of your reach. It's really kind of like

527
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: a fool's Errand only nine out of ten times, or however,

528
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: many of the machine is set for exactly exactly because

529
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: it is set Uh, and so is this. But it's

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00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: an interesting Yeah, that's worth conversation. Is certainly something that

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00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: I have quite seen before in this exact way. No,

532
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: are you going to do it? You're gonna go for

533
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: the tink? No, I don't want to talk to these people.

534
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I got I got other stuff to do. Man,

535
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: I've seen I think you could do it. Then you

536
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: could do it. You're a master this kind of stuff.

537
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: Anyone can do it, it would be you. Oh, we'll

538
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: use a fake name. I'll go in as Max Powers

539
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: astronaut with a secret Mike go to a k A.

540
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: That'll make it look legit. Right, Uh yeah, I don't know.

541
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: Let's give it. Let's give it a try. And I'd

542
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: love to hear if somebody does engage and to see

543
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: if they win. You know, uh, if you do win,

544
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: take us out to David Busters. Well, before we do that,

545
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: we have to take another ad break, hopefully from David Busters,

546
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: we would only be so lucky. And then we'll be

547
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: back with one more strange news. And we're back, and

548
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: we are jumping over to this fantastic Business Insider article.

549
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: That's just it's it's positive, guys. We're gonna end this

550
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: thing on a positive note. Here's the headline. A two

551
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: thousand year old fast food joint discovered by archaeologists in

552
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: Pompeii will open to tourists this summer, Thank goodness. Finally,

553
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: do you have Do you know how hard it is

554
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: to find food in Pompeii when you're going around there

555
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: looking all at all the store? Yeah? Well, I mean

556
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: it was pretty honestly, dude, it was. It was a

557
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: pretty hopping spot before the volcano, you know what I mean,

558
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: Like it was you had a thriving market. You could

559
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: get all sorts of snacks. Yes, I haven't been recently,

560
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: but I hearged a very different vibe. Now still have

561
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: a thousand Do they still have the like mummified remains

562
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: of people frozen in horror kind of surrounding the Yeah, yes, yeah,

563
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: before we get away from ourselves, I know this. We're

564
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: joking here, everybody. It's not an actual working you're gonna

565
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: go there in order fast food at the fast food joint.

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00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: It is the equivalent of a modern fast food joint

567
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: from that era. Uh. It's really interesting. You can look

568
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: at pictures of it online. Again, this is a Business

569
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: Insider article. There was a Telegraph article that I believe

570
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: was the originating one, but I didn't want to sign

571
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 1: in or whatever I had to do with that paywall,

572
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: So I'm getting giving it to you from here, so

573
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: you don't have to do that either. But you can

574
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: see pictures of it, and it really does look like

575
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: the front of any little food stand or something that

576
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: you might encounter probably outside if you're walking around New

577
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 1: York or another large city. Uh. It's it's like these

578
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: beautiful painted frescoes on the front of it and what

579
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: looks like just kind of holes in almost a counter

580
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: where food was served from. It's really really interesting pictures

581
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: of chickens on there. I remember with the story they

582
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: discovered it initially we maybe talked about it on Ridiculous

583
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: History or maybe another Stranger's episode. But the latest is

584
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: they're making it into like a you can visit it

585
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: and tour it and stuff. Yes, yes, it's gonna be

586
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: open on August twelve, at least according to the Telegraph. Uh.

587
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: And it's known as the thermo Polium thermopollium and that

588
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: means hot drink counter. Fun. It's like a cafe, right,

589
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: or what a coffee shop, But it's it's just really

590
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: interesting stuff. And it's weird to think that two thousand

591
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: years ago humans were doing many of the same things

592
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: that we do, and society really doesn't look that different.

593
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: Over time, the technology improves a bit, which changes it moderately,

594
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: but really everybody is living, working, eating, and a place

595
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: that sells food, any kind of restaurant like that is

596
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: going to exist throughout time, whether whether right, whether it's

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00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: a tavern or this little food place. And the whole

598
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: reason why we're talking about this guy's is because something

599
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: else happened. Some news broke over the past week while

600
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: we were gone. Uh. It's a report from the Inner

601
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: Governmental Panel on Climate Change or the I p o C.

602
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: And it's the first time that they've really crunched the

603
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: numbers as an organization in oh seven eight years, I think,

604
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: I think was the last time they did a real

605
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: accounting of hey, where are we compared to the goals

606
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: that we said at the Paris you know, actually that

607
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: was before the Paris Climate Accords, so that was the

608
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: Paris Agreement was So this is two years prior to that.

609
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: They're going back again and saying, hey, where are we

610
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you the headline from the bb

611
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: see article that I read for this climate change I

612
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: p c C report is quote code read for humanity.

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00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: It is pretty grim. Gotta be honest with you. It

614
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: feels like that show. Was it the news Room? I

615
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: think it was the news Room, the show that had

616
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: on a deputy from from I don't know where it

617
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: is from. I remember the scene clearly. It's a it's

618
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: a deputy from the E p A or somebody like

619
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: that saying, yeah, climate change, like humanity has messed up.

620
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: The person has already been born that's gonna die due

621
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: to catastrophic failure of the planet or something like that.

622
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: So we've been talking about this for a long time,

623
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: just to see the raw numbers, to see the reporting

624
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 1: from highly respected scientists, experts in their fields saying guys,

625
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: if we don't act yesterday, as in a long time ago,

626
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: the oceans are gonna be so high. They're calculating a

627
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: rise of two meters like the ocean will rise to

628
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: meters by the end of this century, um, and possibly

629
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: a five meter rise by fifty And as I'm reading

630
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: this article, as I'm thinking about that possible future, you know,

631
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: obviously I'm I'm biased here. I'm thinking about my son

632
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: and whatever legacy down the line, if he has children,

633
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: and and you know, it doesn't mean I'm not thinking

634
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: about everybody else. Is just that's where my that's where

635
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: my focus is. Um, I'm imagining you guys in two

636
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: thousand years from now. Two thousand years well, let's say,

637
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: let's say I'm imagining a team of automated submersibles that

638
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: are going out and they discover an ancient thing that

639
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: they're not really sure what to call it. It seems

640
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: to be some kind of food generating uh store. It

641
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: seems to have the word Applebee's on it, and it's

642
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 1: just off the coast of Colorado, and uh they're trying

643
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: to figure out what it was and what it was

644
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: used for. But it's now going to be open to

645
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: the pub like after they bring it back to the surface. No,

646
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: that's that's That's what I'm seeing in my mind right

647
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: now of humanity after the Great Flood. I guess it's

648
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: not unfounded. You know, if you're if you're a fan

649
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: of speculative fiction, which is some of the best fiction

650
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: in the world, I guess you could also are you

651
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: all fiction and speculative but whatever different show Well, in

652
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: this case it's speculative nonfiction, speculative soon to be nonfiction.

653
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: But it reminds me of a great a great novel

654
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: called a Canticle for Leibowitz, which I highly recommend. Also,

655
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, Matt, your spot on this is what's the

656
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: what's the name of that Drake album? If you're reading this,

657
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: it's too late. That's what they should have called this

658
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: report it is. It is too late. There are ways

659
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: to mitigate the pattern, but there are no longer ways

660
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: to stop it. And the you can go to ways

661
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: about this. You can say it's everybody's fault, which is misleading,

662
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: or you can say it's nobody's one fault, which is

663
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: a little it's still a little misleading, but a little

664
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: more accurate. I mean, think about it. It's the prisoner's

665
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: dilemmat large across a globe. Right if one company does

666
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: something that would be uh, forget that if one country

667
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: did everything it could, it might lose out, especially if

668
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: it's some of the bigger countries like the US, like China. Right,

669
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: And this, I would argue, was stymied the possibility to

670
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: get a little bit ahead of the terrible things on

671
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: the way, which again they are unstoppable. If you're in

672
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: the US, I would start looking towards inland properties next

673
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: to sources of potable water. Further north the better. So

674
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: Great Lakes is about to skyrocket into real estate, and

675
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: they're coming decades, not centuries, decades. So what we have

676
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: to think about is like this progress or the possibility

677
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: of fixing this problem and mitigating it was tremendously stymied

678
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: by the herculean effort that corporations put into passing the

679
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: blame on you as an individual. It doesn't matter what

680
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: you consider your politics to be. It does not matter

681
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: what you think about the thought terminalty cliches that were

682
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: thrown around, like climate change, it's happening, it's on the way,

683
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: it's coming to a town near you. Uh, like some

684
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: apocalyptic world tour that happens in multiple places at once.

685
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: And the corporations could have done more, but they went

686
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: for short term gains as a trade off for long

687
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: term expenses, and the people in charge of those corporations

688
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: aren't gonna be alive or they're not gonna be worried

689
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: when the real problems hit the fans. So maybe Pompey

690
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: is a lesson, you know, maybe we're in a preview

691
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: of what a Chipotle w look like two thousand years

692
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: from now. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. It's the buckets, yep,

693
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: or or a Ruby Tuesday and their salabar. So I

694
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: actually only eat food out of buckets. It's microferred mechanism. Man.

695
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: That's why KFC is so great, you guys, the buckets.

696
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: This is just what I was thinking, you guys that

697
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: they in this situation of as in stuff they don't

698
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: want you to know is literally anyone, any entity that

699
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: wields power and influence within the global economy, right because you,

700
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: like you said, Ben, it's been everybody and the whole like,

701
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: don't drink out of straws, drive an all electric vehicle.

702
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: All that doesn't really amount to much at all, because

703
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean, the stuff they don't want you to know

704
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: is that everything has to change, and it's it is

705
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: one giant machine that we're all cogs within, right, and

706
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: every one of these companies is a different, you know,

707
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: piece of a large component of that machine. So when

708
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: you think about what the scientists are saying in this report,

709
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: like we have to stop coal no matter what, Like

710
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: one of the major things we have to do is

711
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: stop coal production, stopped using coal to generate energy. And

712
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: and if you're going to actually do it, you say, yeah, okay,

713
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: let's do it. Let's do it, uh next week. All

714
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: the individual people that work or are in some way

715
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: associated with one of these plants, their families or the

716
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, the actual acquiring of coal in minds. Uh,

717
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: anybody that works in the towns where that's the primary

718
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: source of income. I mean, so that's one. Those will

719
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: be the initial casualties, right, But then where does the

720
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: rest of that power come from? Because coal provides a

721
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: lot of power, at least in the United States in

722
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: several other places across the world. Where do you get

723
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: that from? Then it just becomes this massive problem with

724
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: the casualties growing and growing. But if we don't do something,

725
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: the casualties are magnified, you know, several several times. And

726
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: that's literally just like that one thing is just the

727
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: tip of this giant melting iceberg that we're all we

728
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: all find ourselves in because then you have to hit

729
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: meat manufacturing and industrial fishing or whatever you want to

730
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: call that. Uh, just the shipping industry in general, of

731
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: sending goods all across the oceans, across the continents, the

732
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: cars that we drive, the computer servers and processing facilities,

733
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: all the damn lights everywhere. That's I mean, that's what

734
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to say like that. But your air conditioner,

735
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: my refrigerator, it's like, y'all, I'm scared and I just

736
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: want to go take it. I just want to take

737
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: a nap. Yeah, well you should be. Well you can

738
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: nap in a cool place mat the because we're going

739
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: to see you. Feedback loop. It's already happening. As those

740
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: global temperatures rise, more people will rely on power hungry

741
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: technology to stay alive, so air conditioning use will skyrocket

742
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: at the same time sources of power. I don't know.

743
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: I have like two big thoughts about this without Ted talking,

744
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: hopefully not too late. One, there's a very good argument

745
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: that the human race overall is a heist. A heist

746
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: film on planet Earth, you know, or like a con

747
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: a long cot on the planet, because planet Earth will

748
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: be probably okay, very much does not need humans. We

749
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: like if you look at what has happened in other

750
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: great extinction events, if this reaches great extinction level, um,

751
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: what you see is that some form of life has survived,

752
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: the human as inherently self interested organism. Uh. That's not

753
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: good news for the human but it is I guess

754
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: good news for the very rare thing, the only like

755
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: known source of proven life in the observable universe. I

756
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: just the report that people are talking about, though this

757
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: is very important. They outline if you read the actual report,

758
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: best case scenarios, those are not gonna happen. You can

759
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: read them for fun worst case scenarios, which are also

760
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: probably not going to happen. What's going to happen is

761
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: a slow descent, a world that ends not with a bang,

762
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 1: but with a whimper. And we've got to give space

763
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: just to say this. Imagine if you are a country,

764
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: a developing country, you have been victimized by great powers

765
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: for a lot of your history, and now you're undergoing

766
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: something like your own industrial revolution, and the people who

767
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: made the world the way it is now are telling

768
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: you that the rules have changed. They are speaking of

769
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: circling back, moving the goal post for you. I did great, great,

770
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: I've been I'll tell you my thoughts. Yes, and it

771
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: worries me, and it even scared I'm afraid to say

772
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: this on a podcast seriously, because I don't like what

773
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: it means, and I don't I don't like that I

774
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 1: think it um. I don't think the problem is the humans.

775
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: That's my dogs, see the problems the dogs snapping fingers.

776
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: I don't think the problem is the humans. I think

777
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: it's capitalism. I'm serious. I think capitalism is the problem.

778
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: And that really does scare me because it's everything that

779
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: I've known. I don't know if I'm just susceptible to

780
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: whatever propaganda has been fed to me, you know, ever

781
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: since I was born, But it does feel like this

782
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: need to always grow a business, to always grow a

783
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: customer base. There's no cap there's no limit. It's just

784
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: like insatiable by design. Because I think if you took

785
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: that away, I think humans might be okay and be

786
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: able to live. But it doesn't mean that one of

787
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: the other, you know, major ways of doing business and

788
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: and running an economy would be better. Necessarily, it's just

789
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: I think that one in particular is dangerous. Well, capital

790
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: At first, humans weren't evolved for there to be this many.

791
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: That's just true. But but secondly, yeah, we're talking about

792
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: organization of complex systems. If you want to be soulless

793
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: about it, If you think of capitalism as a concept,

794
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: it is only an ideology, and an ideology after a

795
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: certain after a certain threshold of zelotry becomes inherently dangerous.

796
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: And so I I completely agree. And that leads the

797
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: second thing that I thought. I was racking my brain.

798
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: I was like, how do you how do you get

799
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: the people with the influence to make a difference to this?

800
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: How do you get them to listen? Because I am

801
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: sure I am not the only living thing that has

802
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: ever felt a little bit You're iritated when I hear

803
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: a tremendously wealthy humans say something like, well, you know

804
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: the different stoughts at home, I need to plant based diet.

805
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: My car is entirely elecatric, you know, Like that's there's

806
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: a privilege to that. Like a lot of people in

807
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: the world would probably be fine with being vegans if

808
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: it were easy and not expensive, right, And when I

809
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: say expensive before anybody sends the email. I mean in

810
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: terms of time and accessibility. Food deserts are a real thing, right,

811
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 1: Crushing populations and food insecurity are real things. So it's

812
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: it's very um self unaware when people who are at

813
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 1: the top of the current global human hierarchies very unaware

814
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: when they say, well, why don't we all just individually

815
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: do better? A lot of people literally cannot afford to

816
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: because of this ideology. Capitalism not for nothing is often

817
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: described as the least crappy system, right, That's basically how

818
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: it's described. It's not inaccurate. But here's my pitch for

819
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: anybody who does have those positions. Like, let's if you're

820
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: listening and you're in charge of a big multinational corporation

821
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: or you're a world leader or something who somehow has

822
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: the free time to listen to this show. Um, think

823
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: about it this way, if even if you don't care

824
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: about those billions of people living now and born in

825
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: the future whose lives you're gonna suck, then maybe we'll

826
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: care about this. Climate change will destroy the economy on

827
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: a glueable level. There will be a little stop gap, sure, uh,

828
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: in the far extreme cases, Yeah, there will be a

829
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: little a little bunker quite wealthy people can live in

830
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: with other quite wealthy people, and Nestle will run all

831
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: of them because they'll have all the water and now

832
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: the terrible history of getting along because they're not used

833
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: to having to cooperate up and when climate destroys the ideology,

834
00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: when climate destroys the economy, that means no more profits.

835
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: And I think that's a way to frame it, which

836
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: is just as accurate as saying that it will hurt

837
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: a lot of innocent people. But maybe maybe hurt hurting

838
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: a lot of innocent shareholders will tip the scale. I'm

839
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: not joking. I know, I know you're not joking. But

840
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: I had a vision of this person you're talking to,

841
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: listening to the show, just going all right, we've got

842
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: to keep we've got to keep the environment just healthy

843
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: enough that the profits could keep rolling in while I

844
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: hang out in the stars. I mean, do you do

845
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: you think it's active like that? Though? Do you really

846
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: think that they're folks at the top that actively just

847
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: don't care or feel that they're insulated. It's not that

848
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: they don't care, it's just in order for this to

849
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: actually happen, they would have to blow up their businesses

850
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: to a large extent just to stop a lot of

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Speaker 1: then reverses what you're doing. Well, well, let's take it

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Speaker 1: back to the first story about Philip Morris trying to,

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Speaker 1: you know, making the stand on outlying cigarettes. But they

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Speaker 1: are mutually exclusive. But by and large, I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you guys. This I mean this is

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Speaker 1: that haven't worked. Um, but we want to hear your take.

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Speaker 1: it will continue to do so. But what do you

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Speaker 1: Don't forget about his other account of the Gateway Drug Pundit. Yeah,

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