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Speaker 1: Hey Bessies, Hello Sunshine.

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Speaker 2: Today on the bright Side, comedian actor and writer Jacqueline

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Speaker 2: Novak is here to talk about her Netflix comedy special

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Speaker 2: It's called Get on Your Knees. Plus she shares the

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Speaker 2: most Tony Robbins thing about her. It's Wednesday, May twenty second.

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Speaker 1: I'm Danielle Robe.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Simone Voice, and this is the bright Side

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Speaker 3: from Hello Sunshine, Simone.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to have you back. You just got

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Speaker 2: back from this wellness retreat.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I just got back from a retreat called on Site,

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Speaker 3: and I have to say, outside of motherhood, it is

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Speaker 3: the single most transformative experience of my life. I mean,

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Speaker 3: pure magic with forty new friends.

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Speaker 2: I wish everyone could see you. You look so rejuvenated and rested.

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Speaker 3: This is what several days of no screens, no alcohol,

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Speaker 3: clean eating, being out in the wilderness will do for you.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean no screens? You didn't touch your

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Speaker 2: phone or a computer. I did not touch my phone

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Speaker 2: or a computer for several days. And to be honest,

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Speaker 2: I kind of feel like I'm an alien walking around

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Speaker 2: on planet Earth right now. But the irony of that

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Speaker 2: statement is I'm more human than I've ever been because

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Speaker 2: of the deep work that I did at this camp.

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Speaker 2: So I think I should explain the ground rules of

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Speaker 2: on site because that really gives you a taste of

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Speaker 2: what the full experience is like. So there's no screens,

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Speaker 2: there's no alcohol or drugs, there are no last names,

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Speaker 2: and no discussion of what you do for a living,

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Speaker 2: because they want everyone to be putting humanity before credentials.

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Speaker 2: They want you to come there and really rediscover who

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Speaker 2: you are outside of your job. For every day we

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Speaker 2: had small group therapy, and it really is like three

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Speaker 2: to six months of therapy condensed into a matter of

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Speaker 2: a few days. Is it mine body soul like do

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Speaker 2: you wake up and go for a long walk, or

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Speaker 2: is it fully group therapy?

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Speaker 4: It's mind body soul.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 3: I would wake up with the birds every morning. It

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Speaker 3: was so idyllic and peaceful. We would start off every

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Speaker 3: morning with a meditation. We would do yoga at night,

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Speaker 3: We had soundbats at night. We even had a silent

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Speaker 3: disco which was super fun. And this like really cathartic

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Speaker 3: release for all this hard work that we'd been doing.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not gonna like sugarcoat it at all. It

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Speaker 3: was it was five days of like crying our eyes out,

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Speaker 3: like everyone can only imagine weeping doing in our child work,

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Speaker 3: like these miraculous transformations and breakthroughs, and then you're all

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Speaker 3: experiencing it together. So the people that I went through

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Speaker 3: this process with, even though I had only known them

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Speaker 3: for a few days, they know me better than the

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Speaker 3: friends that I've had for several years.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can only imagine.

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes we're more willing to tell strangers our deepest,

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Speaker 2: darkest secrets than the people closest to us.

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Speaker 3: But that was the thing that I was most scared of, Danielle.

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Speaker 3: When I went into it. I was like, so, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to this retreat. It's gonna be a bunch of

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Speaker 3: people from my industry. How do I know that I

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Speaker 3: can trust them with like my deepest darkest secrets, vulnerabilities,

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Speaker 3: my trauma. The way that they went about it, like

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Speaker 3: we fostered connection and empathetic community in really small ways first,

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Speaker 3: and then that facilitated opening up in a massive way.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything that you learned, any tools, any tips

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Speaker 2: that you think we could all be applying in our

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Speaker 3: I came away convicted by the power of screenless connection.

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Speaker 3: So I'm coming back and like ready to have phoneless

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Speaker 3: dinner parties, ready to say, like in my own home

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Speaker 3: and my family, we're going to do phoneless meal time.

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Speaker 3: Like starting small, but those small changes I think can

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Speaker 3: lead to significant improvement and just overall quality of life.

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Speaker 4: We did one thing at the end of.

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Speaker 3: The trip that was so powerful and everyone was crying,

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Speaker 3: of course, something called an affirmation circle.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever done this?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: Please tell me, Okay, it's this beautiful thing, and I

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Speaker 3: think this is something that we could all try to

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Speaker 3: do with our friends the next time we have a gathering.

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Speaker 3: So you create an inner circle with a bunch of chairs.

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Speaker 3: You know, however many people you have, you half that amount,

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Speaker 3: and you put half the people on the inside of

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Speaker 3: the circle. Everyone else is on the outside of the circle,

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Speaker 3: and one by one you walk around. You gently place

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Speaker 3: your hand on the person's shoulder in front of you,

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Speaker 3: and you just whisper and affirmation into their ear. And

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Speaker 3: while we were doing this, there was this really moving

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Speaker 3: of all these people, we felt equipped to really give

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Speaker 3: it was just so beautiful to witness and see everyone

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Speaker 1: You are thoughtful and empowered queens.

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Speaker 2: Thank you well from one empowered queen sitting next to

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Speaker 2: me to another. You know, Simone and I love a

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Speaker 2: woman who charts her own path. So on today's show,

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Speaker 2: we're talking to a comedian who's doing comedy a little differently.

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Speaker 2: Jacqueline Novak has a Netflix special that got a ton

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Speaker 2: of buzz. It's called Get on Your Knees. Here's what

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Speaker 2: I think is so cool about this. She has been

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Speaker 2: working on this meticulously for over twenty years. The idea

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Speaker 2: for the special actually started as a college essay, and

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Speaker 2: then she turned it into an off Broadway show, and

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Speaker 2: now it's come to life as this comedy special that

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Speaker 2: has been widely received.

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Speaker 3: I so admire Jacqueline's bravery and ambition in redefining comedy

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Speaker 3: in a way that feels authentic to her.

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Speaker 4: Like she is a writer at her core.

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Speaker 3: She studied English in college, and she really brings that

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Speaker 3: grasp of language and literature and poetry to the stage

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Speaker 3: in this special. It's a super unique style of comedy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I remember when I first watched it. I

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Speaker 3: She has this frenetic energy as she moves across the stage.

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Speaker 2: Well, it really got me thinking, which is what I

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Speaker 2: think she wants us all to be doing, watching and

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Speaker 2: then talking about it afterwards. Because it's all about fillatio.

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Speaker 2: It is about blowjobs, and at first hearing that, you think, oh,

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Speaker 2: is it crude, And it's not. It's very poetic.

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Speaker 3: I have never seen anything like it, never seen a

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Speaker 3: ninety four minute special talking about oral sex. And you're right,

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Speaker 3: it does seem like it would be raunchy. But she's

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Speaker 3: even said, like, my parents have seen the show multiple

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not the point of it.

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Speaker 4: No, it's not raunch for the sake of raunch. There's

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Speaker 4: a lot more to it.

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Speaker 3: So we are going to get into all that and

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Speaker 3: more with Jacqueline No back after the break.

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Speaker 1: Stay with us.

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Speaker 3: We're back with a groundbreaking comedian who is changing the

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Speaker 3: narrative around women in sex with her Netflix comedy special

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Speaker 3: Get on Your Knees. It's based on her critically acclaimed

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Speaker 3: one woman show of the same name.

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Speaker 5: I am going to talk about the blowjobs quite a

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Speaker 5: bit tonight to the point of tedium, said one early critic.

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Speaker 2: Jacqueline Novak is an actor, writer, and stand up comic.

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Speaker 2: She's also the host of the podcast Poog with Kate Berlant,

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Speaker 2: which I love, and the author of the book How

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Speaker 2: to Weep in Public. Feeble offerings on depression from one

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Speaker 2: who knows Jacqueline, Welcome to the bright Side.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. Hello, you are.

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Speaker 1: Having such a moment.

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Speaker 2: Your Netflix special Get on Your Knees is getting so

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Speaker 2: much attention, Simone and I couldn't stop talking about it.

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Speaker 2: And it's different than a traditional special. How do you

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Speaker 2: describe it to people?

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Speaker 5: It depends on who I'm talking to and who I'm

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Speaker 5: trying to sell to, you know, like I'll tell you

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Speaker 5: it's anything, but to be clear, it does absolutely stand up.

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Speaker 5: I also, you know, mounted it as an off Broadway

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Speaker 5: is it's this sort of high brow show, but the

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Speaker 5: blowjob this mix of high and low. You know, it's

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Speaker 5: like very poetic and I'm sort of prudish and obsessed

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Speaker 5: with dignity and all this kind of stuff. But then

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Speaker 5: I'm talking about the blowjob and penis cock but from

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Speaker 5: a linguistic perspective. So it's this weird combo that usually

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Speaker 5: people are surprised by, sort of regardless of which expectation

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Speaker 3: You're wearing a great T shirt and jeans in the special? Yes,

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Speaker 3: and I hope you don't take this the wrong way.

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Speaker 3: This is like a commment to me, you could have

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. That's how timeless and flowery and poetic

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Speaker 3: the language is. To me, Oh my god, I love it.

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Speaker 3: I should have worn that, although it would be hard

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Speaker 3: to tour with.

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Speaker 2: Your comedic point of view is provocative, and you talk

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Speaker 2: openly about sex and sexual situations, but it's not for

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Speaker 2: shock value like you do poeticize, you unpack, you dissect

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Speaker 2: even Yeah, what's the conversation that you wanted to start

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Speaker 2: with the special?

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't let myself think in terms like

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to start a conversation and it's too grand

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Speaker 5: And I take myself seriously in one sense, but it's

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Speaker 5: like if other people find it meaningful or great, I

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Speaker 1: In that, but like why the blowjob?

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Speaker 5: I knew that it was something I always found compelling,

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Speaker 5: almost from a literary perspective or like a poetic perspective,

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Speaker 5: the blowjob to me, you know, it's like sometimes hard

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Speaker 5: such a charged idea. There's something that seems so foolish

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Speaker 5: special but you know, like to the point of tedium,

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Speaker 5: I was like the blowjob just as this focal point

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Speaker 5: of almost like all these other things to be discussed about,

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Speaker 5: like feeling foolish, like how can you be a mind

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Speaker 5: and in a body? You know, how can you be

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Speaker 5: a thinker and partake any sort of ridiculous acts that

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Speaker 5: are relatively wordless. The blowjob sort of silences you. If

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Speaker 5: you're a talker. It's kind of you know, not your

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Speaker 5: It's like, wait what, but I like words.

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Speaker 3: You point out the contradictions so well, and whether you

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Speaker 3: accept it or not, you are changing the conversation. And

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Speaker 3: I just want to go through some of the praise

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Speaker 3: that you've received.

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Speaker 5: I'll take it. I'll take it.

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Speaker 3: Your director Natasha Leone called get on your knees, your Opus.

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Speaker 3: Your former director John Early said, Jacqueline brings real stakes

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Speaker 3: in gravity and poetry to the mundane. Vanity Fair said,

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Speaker 3: the stage show solidified you as a comedic powerhouse. How

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Speaker 3: do you feel when you hear this praise? Are you

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Speaker 5: You know, I do love to perform, and that feeling

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Speaker 5: It's funny. I mean going out and just sharing this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's beautiful.

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Speaker 5: That's fabulous. I could only watch like serial killer thrillers

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Speaker 4: What's the most Tony Robbins thing about you?

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, I mean my indomitable spirit. Well, one

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Speaker 5: I love when effort is bigger than the container. So

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Speaker 5: I think the passion Tony's like, and remember live with passion,

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Speaker 5: and then like this music comes on, like do do

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Speaker 5: Do Do Do, and it's like it's part of me.

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Speaker 2: I read Awaken the Giant Within, which is one of

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Speaker 2: Tony's books, and it actually really shifted my perspective on things.

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Speaker 1: I like him a lot.

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Speaker 5: Awaken the Giant of Inn was like the core text

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Speaker 5: for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, we have to take a quick break,

449
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Speaker 2: but we'll be right back with comedian Jacqueline Novac. We're

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Speaker 2: back with Jacqueline Novac, and I am so excited for

451
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Speaker 2: this part of the conversation because Jacqueline, I am such

452
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Speaker 2: a Poog fan. So for people who aren't as obsessed

453
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Speaker 2: with your podcast as I am, you co host Poog

454
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Speaker 2: with your best friend who's also a comedian, Kate Berlant,

455
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: and you try out, or you investigate every wellness trend

456
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: so that we all don't have.

457
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Speaker 1: To and it is hilarious.

458
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Speaker 2: But you're also genuinely a wellness girally, So we're gonna

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Speaker 2: get your opinions on some of these trends. What's worth

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Speaker 2: the hype and what can we skip?

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Speaker 5: Oh my god? Okay, wait, it's so hard for me

462
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Speaker 5: to come up with one that is skip overable because

463
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,959
Speaker 5: I'm like, wait, everything, come on, is on the table.

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Speaker 1: Have you done the thing where you like tint your eyebrows?

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Speaker 4: Microblading?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Okay, this stuff I can get into. Okay, I have not.

468
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Speaker 5: I do fear a certain kind of browl elimination.

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Speaker 1: Yes, me too.

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Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be weird in a few years.

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Speaker 5: Like I think, I mean, there are different versions of

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Speaker 5: it for me, Like, yes, I want my eyebrows to

473
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Speaker 5: just be I just would love to control them, but

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Speaker 5: I think it's a risk for me.

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Speaker 1: This is Simon and I are really.

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Speaker 2: Into doing things that we consider like maybe a little

477
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Speaker 2: high maintenance so that we can be low maintenance people.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's amazing. So you mean, like if you do

479
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Speaker 5: the work to go get the brow done, then you

480
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Speaker 5: don't have to touch your brow every day exactly.

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Speaker 2: So like I have laser hair removal because I shudder

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Speaker 2: at the thought of shaving every single day.

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Speaker 5: Totally okay, genius, I'm too lazy to make an appointment.

484
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Speaker 5: That's my problem. I'm too lazy to make an appointment.

485
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 5: Like I want to dry brush, but I can't seem

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Speaker 5: to make it happen. Do you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: It's the deal with dry brushing, you guys, I don't

488
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Speaker 3: know that I buy it.

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, when and where because it is exfoliating.

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Speaker 5: So it's like, am I standing there if you're supposed

491
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Speaker 5: to do it dry, you're kind of like dryly exfoliating

492
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Speaker 5: it like standing in the bathroom, Like I don't know,

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Speaker 5: Like it's just like.

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Speaker 3: It sounds very abrasive to me. I just why can't

495
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Speaker 3: I take a loofa into the shower and just do that?

496
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Speaker 3: Why does it have to be dry?

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Speaker 5: Well, that's why I'm suckered more right now by using

498
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Speaker 5: the Plaine myths for like the lymphatic Yeah, drain is okay.

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Speaker 5: I am completely like, Oh it's real, and I'm pumping

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Speaker 5: the terminy okay, the area above the colinderbone that's supposed

501
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Speaker 5: to be like we're all drains out. Oh, I'm totally

502
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 5: into it. I'm pumping that and I'm pumping the underarms, yeah,

503
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Speaker 5: like in the morning, and then sort of massaging the chest.

504
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Speaker 5: I am buying fully into like face massage, cheek exercises.

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Speaker 3: Wait, you talked about this on poog. There's a eyebrow

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Speaker 3: massage thing that you were doing.

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Speaker 5: Can you Oh my god, you teach a kind of demonstright.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, please demonstrate.

509
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 5: I saw like the Anastasia Fascia beauty I believe is

510
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 5: this account. And after I posted my video of me

511
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 5: doing it poorly, I saw her post a video but

512
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 5: like correct way to do it, and I'm wrong. I

513
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 5: was like, oh gosh, but her thing is for one.

514
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 5: She's like, do it dry.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm gonna explain for our listeners. Jacqueline is

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Speaker 3: massaging the part of her face that's between her nose,

517
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Speaker 3: like the bridge of her nose and just below the eyebrow.

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Speaker 4: And why do you do this, Jacqueline? What is the

519
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 4: end result?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Nos, So I'm trying. I want to try, Guosha.

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Speaker 2: I see all these videos of people's faces before and after,

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Speaker 2: and I I am not a wellness girlly what well?

524
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Speaker 2: I don't buy into hype like, I want long term

525
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: results to be out before I buy in.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you drink collagen?

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Speaker 5: No, I'm not convinced that either topical or ingesting collagen

528
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 5: is actually creating the production. Couldron the skin.

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Speaker 4: I think it's snake oil.

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Speaker 1: Same mm hmm, okay, we all agree.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: How about Celery juice?

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Speaker 5: Okay. I recently someone at my Tracey Anderson class was like, well,

534
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 5: you need to do Celery juice, Like, oh, that's it,

535
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 5: That's an every day like without a doubt. That was

536
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 5: almost humiliated, Like what like I didn't know, Like sure,

537
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 5: celery just but like I didn't know. I'm interested. I'm

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Speaker 5: seriously considering it, but I haven't done it.

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Speaker 3: I am a full believer of Celery juice. It is transformative.

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Speaker 3: If ever i'm feeling sick or a little hungover, anything,

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Speaker 3: just under the weather, anything, I chug one of those

542
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Speaker 3: big green machines. Yes, I feel amazing. I feel invigorated,

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00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: I feel revitalized. I don't know what is going on there,

544
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 3: but it works.

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Speaker 5: I haven't begun yet, but I'll let you know. I'm curious.

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Speaker 1: Okay, cold plunges truly.

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Speaker 5: This one. I am on the fence. Okay, love how

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00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 5: it feels, I mean for a second, but then there's

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00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 5: this kind of other perspective.

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Speaker 2: It raises your cortisol and so for people under a

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Speaker 2: lot of stress, like is it good?

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00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like that's interesting. You know what I do love

553
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 5: this is just a Novak tip ice pack under the neck.

554
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 5: This is like one of my mental health Like if

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00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 5: you're just stressed out and you lay down with like

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00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 5: a cool ice pack sort of under the neck slash head.

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Speaker 4: I swear it.

558
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 5: Freezes the thoughts.

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Speaker 3: With cold plunges actually, with any wellness trend, I think

560
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 3: you have to follow the money.

561
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 4: And I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Mysteriously cold plunges are cool, but there are all these

563
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: startups selling cold plunge bats now, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know, too big to fail exactly.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jacqueline, I want to talk to you about some

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Speaker 3: exciting career news of yours. I saw in the trades

567
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Speaker 3: that you're acting in a new movie called A Big, Bold,

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Speaker 3: Beautiful Journey, directed by the South Korean director Cogonada, and

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Speaker 3: your co stars are the Margarabi the Colin Farrell. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it just seems like your dreams are coming true.

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Speaker 5: I love it and I want to I really want

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Speaker 5: to make you know films ultimately and like being on set.

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Speaker 5: Even from that perspective, I'm just so into it.

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Speaker 4: Can you tell us anything about your experience on set?

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Speaker 5: Everyone was wonderful. Coconata's a genius. You know, the actors,

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00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 5: they're incredible. It's just I'm not used to talking with

577
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 5: stuff that other people are like part of in that way. Yeah,

578
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 5: I'm like, it's weird. Here's what I'll tell you. I

579
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 5: brought like a duffel full of skincare, convinced like that

580
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 5: I couldn't leave a single product at home.

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Speaker 1: Tell me you told Margot Robbie what to use on

582
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Speaker 1: her face?

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00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 5: No, I didn't, Dare. I didn't, Dare. I basically spoke

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Speaker 5: when spoken to. I was like tiptoeing around. If I'm hungry,

585
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Speaker 5: do I ask for food?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 5: I just felt very much like, Okay, I'm going in

588
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Speaker 5: and I don't really know my way around this experience

589
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 5: and being an actor on someone else's project. I just

590
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 5: felt like genuine old school nerves.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what I find so inspiring about your career,

592
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Speaker 3: because usually people will be a part of other people's

593
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: projects first, and then they go out and create their

594
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Speaker 3: opus but you were like, no, I'm dropping the opus.

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Speaker 4: First, y'all. Yeah, yeah, and then I'm gonna come work

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Speaker 4: on your little movie. Okay, So.

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Speaker 5: Well you know why auditions are too hard? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 5: like chasing the roles I think I'm you know, it's

599
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 5: like another weird inversion of like we're talking about before,

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00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 5: but almost like, yeah, it's somehow easier for me to

601
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 5: face mounting my own ninety four minute show and performing

602
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 5: it and whatever then like putting myself on a tape

603
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Speaker 5: every week for years, Like I felt comfortable going into

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Speaker 5: the project almost because I've established who I am and

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Speaker 5: what I do a little bit like it allows me

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Speaker 5: to Yeah, just gives me a different feeling going in. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's interesting. But yeah, the acting thing. I's texting with

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Speaker 5: my you know, caper Lant, my co host of Poog

609
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 5: and actor comedian, and all these thoughts are crossing my

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00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 5: mind about acting and like, you know, like things like

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking back to second grade, like in Peter Pan

612
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 5: and I had this one line and I just was

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00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 5: obsessing about this line and we're saying in a thousand

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00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 5: ways and like the night of the show, and I'm

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Speaker 5: just like, is that going to be and she was

616
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Speaker 5: just like, acting is a mystery, and that just relieved me.

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Speaker 5: You know, She's like, like, you are a working actress.

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Speaker 5: She loves it. I always call her like a working

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Speaker 5: actress or something about it. It's just like kind of

620
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Speaker 5: old school, like they're a working actress. And she's just like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's a mystery. And I was like, all right, it's

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Speaker 5: a mystery, and then that just freed me.

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Speaker 3: Jacqueline, thank you so much for coming on the bright

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Speaker 3: Side and dropping so many gems with us today.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. You guys are absolute heaven. I am thrilled

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Speaker 5: to have been on.

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Speaker 4: Have me back, We would love to.

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