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Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursdays and this is a Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: live here on Giants dot Com. He's Paul the Tino

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Speaker 1: Lance met O goold to be with you for the

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Speaker 1: next sixty minutes as we set the stage for the

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Speaker 1: Giants regular season finale Sunday a MetLife Stadium Giants Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Will get to that in a second, but first and reminder,

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Speaker 1: Cours Live rewards app to an amazing Giants prizes. Throughout

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Speaker 1: the course of the season, it seemed like yesterday we

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Speaker 1: started this season and Sunday it's actually coming to an end.

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Speaker 1: I know we probably say this every single year. This

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Speaker 1: season just seemed like it fly. And I know that

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Speaker 1: may not necessarily be the truth for Giants fans because

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Speaker 1: of the ups and downs of this year, but it's

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Speaker 1: hard to believe that we're actually putting a cap on

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Speaker 1: the two thousand eighteen campaign on Sunday. Well, consider this, Lance.

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Speaker 1: The Giants went down to Dallas in Week two of

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Speaker 1: the regular season, long time ago. It feels like, and

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Speaker 1: here we are a week seventeen, and I think most

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Speaker 1: of us can probably remember that game as if it

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Speaker 1: was just played a couple of weeks ago. So indeed,

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Speaker 1: a lot has happened over the course of the last

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Speaker 1: four and a half to five months, and quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think Dallas is very happy with where

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Speaker 1: they are. I don't. I don't think that a lot

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Speaker 1: of people expected the necessarily to be the division champions,

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Speaker 1: but they are the Giants who most people did not

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Speaker 1: think would make the playoffs are not going to go,

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Speaker 1: but they certainly have done an awful lot to rebuild

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Speaker 1: this organization, not only on the roster, but again GM

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Speaker 1: and coach in the last off season, so they're pointed

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Speaker 1: in the right direction and things are certainly going up.

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Speaker 1: So I think both teams would would say that, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's some sunshining on them today, even though the Giants

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Speaker 1: are not going to the playoffs. It's it's it's a

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Speaker 1: positive I think for both teams as they go into

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Speaker 1: this game. Well, and I think another common trade as

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Speaker 1: you evaluate both of these teams is and listening to

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Speaker 1: what Jason Garrett told the media yesterday, Paul and just

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Speaker 1: listening to what Pat Shermer said earlier in the week,

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Speaker 1: both of these teams are in this game to win it.

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Speaker 1: And I know that's basically stating the obvious, but I

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Speaker 1: feel like sometimes, Paul, we have to reinforce that when

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Speaker 1: we get to these meaningless games at the end of

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Speaker 1: the season, because in fairness, this game means nothing for

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Speaker 1: the Giants from the perspective of playoffs. We know their

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Speaker 1: mathematically out of it and Dallas is locked into the

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Speaker 1: fourth seed. So you can easily make the argument if

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Speaker 1: you're Dallas, you should have the mindset of we're preparing

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Speaker 1: for whoever we're gonna play in the first round. But

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Speaker 1: I think there is something to be said just this

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Speaker 1: big picture perspective for the entire league, Paul. And this

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Speaker 1: is mostly through the lens of the Cowboys at least,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get to the Giants lens, that there is

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Speaker 1: meaning in playing your starters in the final game of

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Speaker 1: the regular season when you have a playoff game the

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Speaker 1: next week. Because I think momentum is something we've seen,

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Speaker 1: especially in the Giants case, when we have seen so

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Speaker 1: many wild card teams, Paul, they play their best football

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Speaker 1: in the last few weeks of the season, and it's

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Speaker 1: no coincidence it carries over into the postseason and they

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Speaker 1: go on these Cinderella Super Bowl runs. The Steelers did it,

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Speaker 1: a meaningful game unless than a week perhaps the following weekend, Lance,

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Speaker 1: I have not done an in depth study on the

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Speaker 1: probably evidence on both sides of that fence. Some teams

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Speaker 1: there's a definitive answer as to how a coach should

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Speaker 1: Criticize me, laugh at me. Uh, you know, shoot all

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Speaker 1: that's unimportant when it comes to player incentives and contracts

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Speaker 1: and those individual accolades, it does mean something for them.

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Speaker 1: And that brings us to some of the Giants goals

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Speaker 1: And one thing is say Kwan Barkley having an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to again Paul pile up some of these individual accolades.

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Speaker 1: It's been a stellar rookie campaign, but the fact that

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Speaker 1: at those milestones as team milestones. Uh. He does understand

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Speaker 1: that's within striking distance. Took a quant seven. He could

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Speaker 1: because I think it's relevant. This is an extremely young roster.

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Speaker 1: These players, okay, have not been battle tested. There's value

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Speaker 1: that says they're going to play a lot of their regulars.

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Speaker 1: you know, it's still not going to be a sensational record.

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Speaker 1: It's not like they ran the table and when eight no,

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Beckham was not at practice today

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Speaker 1: do something. From the visual perspective, it's a setback, correct,

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Speaker 1: fair way to put it, Paul, because visually it looked

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Speaker 1: They're kind of hints more than they are anything else.

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Speaker 1: But but back to what we were talking about a

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Speaker 1: Let's open up the phone lines, everything up for discussion.

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Speaker 1: What's happening? Christian? Hey, guys, well, I'd rather I'd rather

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Speaker 1: upside is kind of limited on the field. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's he's not really that big, but he's also not

431
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 1: really that well. Again, what I'm trying to say to you, though,

432
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 1: is when they go to their wide package, you know

433
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Speaker 1: he doesn't. He's not He's not required to be the

434
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Speaker 1: second best receiver on the field. In a way, he's

435
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Speaker 1: kind of the third because you got you got Ingram,

436
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Speaker 1: and you got O'Dell. You follow what I'm saying. It's

437
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: three guys. It's not too He's not forced to be

438
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: the second best target on the field at that moment. Well, yeah,

439
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Is I hope Ingram, you know,

440
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 1: becomes a better option overall? Well, I think, yeah, he's

441
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: been hurt a lot this year. I do think that

442
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, he had drops his last season. We all

443
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 1: know that it's well documented. But I do think that

444
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: Ingram in limited time this year, despite the injuries, I

445
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 1: think did show he could be more of a big

446
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: play threat. Yeah. I think we've seen that in the

447
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 1: last few games. And Christians appreciate the phone call, Thanks

448
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: so much for weighing in. It's basically similar to last

449
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: season when there was only so much you could take away,

450
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Speaker 1: Paul because of all the injuries on the field. I

451
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: feel as if Evan Ingram's two thousand eighteen campaign, it

452
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that there's nothing you could take away from

453
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: this season, but there's not a whole lot of substance

454
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Speaker 1: because he wasn't fully healthy for the majority of the

455
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Speaker 1: year and he missed the number of games. So I

456
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Speaker 1: think you see what you saw at the last few

457
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Speaker 1: games in wonder whether or not he could build off

458
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: of that and went Odell Beckham and him are on

459
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,239
Speaker 1: the field together, can he continue this production? But you

460
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: present fully healthy Beckham, Shepherd, Evan Ingram and say Kwan Barkley.

461
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: I think most teams would sign up and be okay

462
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 1: even if one or two guys is in and out

463
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: of the lineup, that that's still a sufficient group to

464
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Speaker 1: be productive. And there's only one football, yeah, I mean,

465
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: you can only throw to so many guys each and everything.

466
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Speaker 1: I would only agree with the caller in one, one

467
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: tiny aspect, and that is if if Ingram goes down,

468
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: or if Beckham goes down. I don't want to talk

469
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Speaker 1: about Barkley, but if one of the outside threats goes down,

470
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: now who becomes the next receiver on the depth chart?

471
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Speaker 1: Who's got to get extra playing time? And quite frankly,

472
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Speaker 1: I don't think that Coleman Fowler Russell Shepherd or or

473
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Speaker 1: um Or Henderson or you know any of these guys,

474
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Speaker 1: Joel Davis. I don't know that any of these guys

475
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Speaker 1: Corey Latimer proved this season that they are capable of

476
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Speaker 1: stepping up into that spot without much drop off. I'm

477
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Speaker 1: not gonna disagree with you. I don't think though, in fairness,

478
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Speaker 1: the Corey Coleman's of the world, well, Cody Latimer was

479
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: on I R. So once again we're also talking about

480
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Speaker 1: a very small sample size with him. Coleman. Paul is

481
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Speaker 1: intriguing to me. Number one. Part of it is because

482
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Speaker 1: of his resume. I mean, we're talking about a former

483
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Speaker 1: first round pick, so I think they can continue to

484
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Speaker 1: try to tap into that. But I'll try to bring

485
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Speaker 1: up his numbers in fairness, Paul, and this is something

486
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 1: that you have to take into consideration. Okay, so you

487
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: remove Odell Beckham from the equation. Corey Coleman then comes in.

488
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Speaker 1: Is Corey Coleman receiving as many targets as O'Dell to

489
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Speaker 1: even enter the conversation? Is he capable of actually truly

490
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Speaker 1: filling in from I guess what I'm saying is, don't

491
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Speaker 1: you need the volume to be equivalent to determine truly

492
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Speaker 1: whether or not a player can consistently make plays to

493
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Speaker 1: the level of the other guy. I think the problem

494
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: is if somebody goes down, you need to know that

495
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: the backup is going to come in, like a Dominic

496
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: kicks in and give you a sufficient level of production

497
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: that you don't look at that spot as a possible

498
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Speaker 1: detriment that the falloff isn't significant. You wanted to be

499
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Speaker 1: enough where you could still do most of what you

500
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Speaker 1: want to do. To me, Dominic Kison was really really

501
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: good at stepping into any of the receivers spots when

502
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: somebody got injured, and he could allow you to function

503
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: without much a difficulty. That's what made him so good.

504
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: He was such a prose and quite frankly, to some degree,

505
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: Dwayne Harris did the same thing for a year or two.

506
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Speaker 1: That's another good example, correct because he was on the

507
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: team the year that you had some injuries too, and

508
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: he had to actually take on a bigger role at

509
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Speaker 1: wide receiver than they probably anticipated. And none of these

510
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: guys this year showed that. To me. Well, here's my

511
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: issue with Coleman. I'm looking at Coleman's numbers Coleman has

512
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Speaker 1: been targeted eight times this season. That is a very

513
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: small number, Paul, and he caught five of his eight targets.

514
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Speaker 1: Can you really tell? Now? Would the counter argument be, well,

515
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: if he's not getting targeted a lot, that means that

516
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: he's not getting open a lot. I don't know if

517
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: that's a fair synopsis based on this small sample size,

518
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: but I personally would want to see Coleman's gotta get

519
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: to me like four to five targets a game, and

520
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: let's see what he could do with those four to

521
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: five targets, Paul, before we can say there's absolutely no

522
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: potential there for him to be a lot of part

523
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Speaker 1: of the problem is this coaching staff believes you have

524
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: to earn their snaps and and he didn't. You don't

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Speaker 1: get a lot of targets if you don't get a

526
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Speaker 1: lot of snaps. And if you don't get a lot

527
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: of snaps, that probably means you didn't earn them well.

528
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: And he also joined the team late to you and

529
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: was still adjusting the system. I don't I think that's

530
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: a fair point. I just want to bring up because

531
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Speaker 1: I thought Dwayne Harris is a is a great parallel

532
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Speaker 1: that you brought up. I'm bringing up Dwayne Harris's numbers

533
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: from the and by the way, I have one drop

534
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Speaker 1: for Coleman on my unofficial chart, and that was against

535
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia from the eight targets. Okay, one drop against Philly,

536
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: So five catches, one drop. That's what the break noway

537
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: is Now Dwyane Harris had his I would say it's fair.

538
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: It's a breakout season in two thousand fifteen. Now, that

539
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: year Harris had thirty six receptions. He played fifteen games.

540
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: He was targeted fifty seven times. So that's my point.

541
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: Fifty seven targets for Dwayne Harris that year, eight for

542
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: Corey Coleman. Now, Corey Coleman did play as many games,

543
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: but Corey Coleman is going down as playing in one, two, three,

544
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: four or five six seven games, So he played in

545
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: half the amount of games of Dwayne Harris and didn't

546
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: get anywhere near half the amount of targets. So once again,

547
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: the volume needs to be there in my mind before

548
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: we jump to the conclusion that the potential is gone

549
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: and there's no chance that any of these guys become

550
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: reliable filling options. Two zero one three is the telephone

551
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: number Cory Coleman has played on a hundred and sixteen

552
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: offensive snap, which is twelve percent of the Giants offense

553
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: this year. Remember he joined the team in mid season.

554
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: A Fowler played three hundred nine snaps or two Lattimer

555
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty three snaps or nine, by the way,

556
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: same exact numbers Russell Shepherd hundred and eighty three snaps ent.

557
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: So Fouler by far played more snaps than any of

558
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: these other reserve wide receivers in terms of being involved

559
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: in the offense. And okay, I mean maybe that's the

560
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: guy that you want to point to, where I don't

561
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: necessarily think the level of production merited merits a lot

562
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: of confidence going into next season. All right, So Fouler

563
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: you said, played more snaps than anybody else. Okay, So Fouler,

564
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: just as a means of comparison to Corey Coln Faller

565
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: was targeted twenty three times in nine games. Okay, that

566
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: was his breakdown, three hundred nine snaps, go by snaps

567
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: don't go by games, twenty three tickets and three hundred

568
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: nine snaps. Whereas Corey called it is what eight targets

569
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: and how many snaps? Eight targets in a hundred and

570
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: sixteen and Fowler turned that into thirteen receptions for a

571
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: hundred thirty hundred seventy eight yards, whereas Corey Coleman had

572
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: five for seventy one. Look, I'm not gonna lie to you.

573
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: Corey Coleman has quite a toolbox. Okay, he's got He's

574
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 1: got an impressive special teams and on special teams, he

575
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: was terrific in the kickoff return game. I'm just saying

576
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: I would like to have seen more from him at

577
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Whether or not it was earned, that's not

578
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: something you and I can answer, but I'd certainly like

579
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: to see more. Well, he would be a guy, and

580
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: we're really getting ahead of ourselves here, but he would

581
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: be somebody in the spring and in training camp, assuming

582
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: that he's still with the team, that you would want

583
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: to keep close tabs on you, because if you're Corey Coleman,

584
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: you realize, Listen, the Giants took a chance on me.

585
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: I hung around with the Giants much more so than

586
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: I did pull in all of those other previous stops.

587
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: Since he part of ways with Cleveland, I carved out

588
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: a nice role for myself on special teams. If I'm

589
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: Corey Coleman and I had a conversation with on the side,

590
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: I'd actually bring up Dayne Harris as the guy that

591
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: he should try to emulate, because Dwayne Harris was somebody

592
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: that was brought in, carved out a role special teams,

593
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 1: and then wound up capitalized difference, big difference. Guys like

594
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: Harris and Hickson were also punt returners. He is only

595
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: a kickoff returner. He's not returning punts here. He's not

596
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: playing on all four teams, and yes, and on coverage units,

597
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: he's not giving you anything on coverage units. Hickson and

598
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: Harris were in on special teams coverage and they were

599
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: a big part of it. So it's not the same. Well,

600
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: but I guess my parallel is your point of emphasis

601
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: on the team is special teams to start, and then

602
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: there's an area to expand into, which is becoming more

603
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: of a consistent wide receiver. I think that's a fair

604
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: parallel to where Hickson and Harris started. And then they

605
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: didn't come in day one Hall and no, they did

606
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: not making him. They did. The wide receiver took some time,

607
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: and also they took advantage of the opportunities as a

608
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: result of injury. Interesting in that Henderson to me, was

609
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: their best pump returner of the season. Coleman was the

610
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: best kickoff returner of the season, and neither one of

611
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: those guys gave you production in any other facet of

612
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: the game. They were one trick ponies in that regard,

613
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to be disrespectful to them, but

614
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: that's where they produced for this team, and that one

615
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: specific area. I find it hard to believe that next

616
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: year on the fifty three they will keep to such

617
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: players that just have one area of contribution. That's that's

618
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: hard for me to believe. Well, because you need them

619
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: to contribute. You can only dress so many guys. I

620
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: get that. That's why Dwayne Harris, you didn't feel like

621
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: you were sacrificing multiple roster spots Paul, because he played

622
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: on all four special teams. Ryane Harris was a was

623
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: a three what they termed a three way player because

624
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: he was on coverage units, he did both of the

625
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: return units, and he did wide receiver. They considered him

626
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: a three way player. That's like Hickson. That's what you

627
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: called monopolizing the roster because you're basically you're aximizing the roster.

628
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: Excuse me, That's what I was looking for. I used

629
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: the wrong end term in terms of capitalizing off. I understood,

630
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: but you understood, But it took me a minute. Toget,

631
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: we got Yes, we do, indeed, no, but it is

632
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: an interesting conversation to look at the wide receivers and

633
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: what may become of that group into next season. Two

634
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Speaker 1: zero five one three. Scott is in New Mexico. Scott,

635
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Big Blue Kickoff Live. What do you

636
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: have for us? Good afternoon, guys. First, I wanted to

637
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: wish you both a very happy New Years to appreciate that. Uh.

638
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: I had two questions. First one, being good corporate directors

639
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: before the end of their fiscal year usually have evaluated

640
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: personnel ex for long before the end of the year.

641
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: So if I make an analogous to the giants in

642
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: this last game, how much credence can you put into

643
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: the evaluation process of analyzing plays that might be on

644
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: the roster? Because shouldn't most of that had already been

645
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: done in the weeks prior. So I wanted to know

646
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: from you, either of your opinion, what the signal efficants

647
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: is in regards to evaluation of the personnel in the

648
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: last game, because I would have assumed that they've pretty

649
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: much made up their minds and who will be retained

650
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: on the rest of the for the upcoming year. Scott,

651
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: I think it works heavily in one direction and not

652
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: so heavily in the other. And by that I mean this,

653
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: a guy who has a terrific game in the final

654
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: game of the regular season may not necessarily give his

655
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: portfolio an extra five stars. Okay, there may not be

656
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: a lot to be gained, but maybe that little extra

657
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: bit that says, okay, we give him the benefit of

658
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: the doubt for some of the things that he was

659
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: able to do, and maybe it pushes him over the

660
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: edge one way or another. But I truly believe in

661
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: game seventeen, you see a guy that goes out there

662
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: and quits, that's a major black mark. That is like

663
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: a scarlet letter on his forehead. That is a big,

664
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: big deal that works against him many times over. You

665
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: never ever want to see a guy quit in week

666
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: seventeen because that will be held against him in the

667
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: off season big time. Okay, Uh, my my second question

668
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: is this, Uh, there's been a lot of speculation with

669
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: Eli Manning, whether he's not here or not not here? Well,

670
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: I know, and I'm actually in your in. You're a ballpark, Paul.

671
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: He's earned it. He's probably going to have this highest

672
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: completion percentage uh this year, and I'm going to assume

673
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: he's going to be the starting quarterback next year. Uh.

674
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: Is there a scenario because the pool four quarterbacks in

675
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: is going to be larger than it is this year,

676
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: would it be uh totally invalid to have actually extend

677
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: another year for depending upon how he plays next year? Scott,

678
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: I don't mean to cut you off. I just want

679
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: to make suns here. You what do you mean when

680
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: the pool for the quarterbacks is going to be larger

681
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: than two thousand eighteen? You talk about the draft of

682
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: free agent draft? Yes? Yes, And I was talking about

683
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: the draft, Well, I would, I would teach Alabama's coming out, etcetera.

684
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: And Scott, I think the class of two eighteen he's

685
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: talking about the following year, right, Scot, he's talking about twenty.

686
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: I got his drift. I got his drift. Quarterback prospect

687
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: pools should be larger in that that. I thought you

688
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: were saying nineteen was better than eighteen. That's what I'm

689
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: taking twenty right exactly because, as I said, the quarterbacks

690
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: from Alabama's coming out, etcetera, etcetera in that year the

691
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks as well. So my question was is would

692
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: it be advantageous for the Giants to actually extend Eli's

693
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: contract was obviously be over in another year. Is that

694
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: a possibility or will they go more sort of a

695
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield or Sam Donald route where they just start

696
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback because they'll be building things towards that season,

697
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: assuming that everything goes right for next year, Scott, I

698
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: was curious if they would would entertain that as an idea.

699
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: I've already suggested that as far back as this past summer,

700
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: that the Giants provided Eli is healthy and performs at

701
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: an adequate level, you could absolutely see a scenario where

702
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: they extend him past the two thousand nineteen season into

703
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty. Now, that could be a legit year

704
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: where they really believe that he can play for them

705
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty. It could be a scenario where

706
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: it's simply a salary cap move where I don't want

707
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: to say it's a Dumby year, but it's done for

708
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: economic Sally cap reasons, and it's configured as such so

709
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: that they can work bonus money and shift money around

710
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: so that it's more a relief move economically in nineteen

711
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: while he may or may not wind up playing in twenty.

712
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: I mean, there were a multiple scenarios here. The point is,

713
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with you, and I've felt this way

714
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: for months that it was possible that they would extend

715
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: him beyond the nineteen season. Again, that doesn't necessarily mean

716
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: that whatever they do with that, he is expected to

717
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: play that out. That may not be the case. Sometimes

718
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: they'll give an extension to a player and in a way,

719
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to use the word fake, but it's

720
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: a dummy extension because what it really is is a

721
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: salary cap mechanism to deal with what's left on his

722
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: current contract. It's used to spread out the money exactly,

723
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: have it all bond pulled up into one year. And

724
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, to your parallel about Baker Mayfield and Sam Donald,

725
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: the Browns had Tyrod Taylor who they brought in, and

726
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: the Jets have Josh McCown. So you had two teams

727
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: that drafted young quarterbacks but also had veterans. And Tyrod

728
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: Taylor started at the beginning of the season. I know

729
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: Baker has taken the lead by storm, but Baker didn't

730
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: come in until Tyrod got hurt about two three games

731
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: it of the season. So it's definitely possible that the

732
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: Giants could draft a quarterback. Let's say, in two thousand twenty,

733
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: have Eli on to serve as a mentor, and then

734
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: eventually move on starting in two thousand one. Scott, I'll

735
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: just end up by saying them. And you know, since

736
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: last October, going into this Springs Draft, I had said

737
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: Eli Manning is going to start for this team as

738
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: long as he's healthy and wants to play in two

739
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen and in two thousand nineteen, and anything beyond

740
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: that is a wait and see. I'm actually going to

741
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: stay firm with that. I've never stepped away from that

742
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: once and I'm not going to step away from it now.

743
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: Is it possible, Yes, your scenario is possible. But all

744
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: I know right now is I don't think there's there's

745
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: ever been a doubt in my mind he is starting

746
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen from the New York Giants. I

747
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: would agree with Paul. The only thing that I will

748
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: add that I could maybe see a curve ball being

749
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: thrown into two thousand twenty. If the Giants do pursue

750
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback in free agency this offseason, and they

751
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: bring in somebody who they feel as the potential to

752
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: compete for a starting job and also can mentor a

753
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: young quarterback, then maybe they choose to move on. That's

754
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: the curve ball that I could see perhaps already, but

755
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm with Paul. Based on the writing on the wall

756
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: right now, I think it's pretty safe to say that

757
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: Eli is going to be back as the starting quarterback

758
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: at two thousand nineteen. Okay, appreciate it, guys, appreciate the

759
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: phone call. Let's have back to the lines. We got

760
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: Mark on the board in Shytown. Mark, Welcome to Big

761
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: Blue Kick Off Live. What do you got for us? Hey, guys,

762
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: how are you doing today? Hey? I was at the

763
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: game on Sunday and uh, Lance, contrary to your advice

764
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: from last week, I did actually get to meet Paul

765
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: down the field, so he taught me at the end

766
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: of At the end of halftime, he came down to

767
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: the front row, which was awfully nice you to do.

768
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: It's good to see it time. Hey, Um, since I

769
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: was at the game. I'd like to, you know, sort

770
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: of give you my impressions of the game. Yeah, I'm

771
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: a former season ticket holder, and it's really nice to

772
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: be at a game because you get a perspective that

773
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: you don't get on television on and I don't care

774
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: how big your big screen is, you don't see what

775
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 1: you see when you're at the game. And yeah, and

776
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, I I just want to give credit off

777
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: the that the coach Pat Shermer. I thought their game

778
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,959
Speaker 1: plan on offense was perfect considering what they were dealing

779
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: with with not having O. B J. I mean from

780
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: the first play out, they ran misdirection at that team

781
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: and the Colts defense did not know what was coming.

782
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: They were totally guessing what was going on, and you

783
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: could see it with the counterplays the reverses. Unfortunately, in

784
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: the second half they got backed up in their own

785
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: end zone and he couldn't run plays like that. They

786
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: had to go straight ahead. But I mean that set

787
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: them up to getting that lead, that big lead, and

788
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: I just thought it was a brilliant game plan. Well,

789
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: it worked really well, and then they got bogged down

790
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: two instances that really cost them the game. Besides the

791
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: fact that the defense wore out at the end and

792
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck took advantage of them for the for the

793
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: winning touchdown. They got burned by settling for a field

794
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: goal on their last trip inside the red zone. They

795
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: got inside the ten yard line and they could not

796
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: punch it in. Settling for three there crippled them because

797
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: it allowed the Colts to mathematically go ahead with a touchdown.

798
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: So that was huge. You gotta get the seven they

799
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: were to make it a two score game. They settled

800
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: for the three. That was just a devastating drive for them,

801
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: and then they compounded that the next time they got

802
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: the ball. The Colts pinned them down inside their own

803
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: fifteen and they got nailed with back to back offensive penalties,

804
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: which which basically left them helpless because you knew there

805
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: was nothing they were gonna be able to do to

806
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: get out of that. The Colts at that point and

807
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: now tilted the field and you'll say it, oh man,

808
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck needs a touchdown to win this game, and

809
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna get the ball near me field. This is

810
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: not good for the Giants, well, because it prevented them

811
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: an opportunity from milking more clock that but but to me.

812
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: The other thing that jumps out clearly the two defensive

813
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: penalties on the final cold strive hurt. But the turning

814
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: point of the game was Vernon sacks Luck and Genor's

815
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: Jenkins is called for a hold and b J. Hill

816
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: recovers the fumble. I mean, let's face it, guys, that's

817
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: the Colts were knocking on the door. They continued to drive,

818
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: they ultimately scored. The Giants take away not only a score,

819
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: they take away a possession. Colts don't need to get

820
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: a field goal then, But that that was a defensive penalty.

821
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: You were talking about offense. But I just I think

822
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: it was relatable because penalties overall TV such a significance

823
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: for a Giants team that was in the bottom through

824
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: to the NFL and penalties against in the first half

825
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: of the season when they were one in seven Skyrock

826
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: and then there's the team got better in the second half,

827
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: the penalties went up huge. I mean, we're talking about

828
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: a huge disparity where it's been one double digit penalty

829
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: game after another. We'll should continue, Mark, I know you

830
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: want to make a few other points, but just to

831
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: hammer home Paul's point here. So Week eight was the

832
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: last game before the bye. So since the bye, week ten,

833
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: eight penalties, Week eleven, eight penalties Week twelve, eleven, Week twelve, Okay,

834
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: two against the Redskins, which was the anomaly, ten against

835
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: Tennessee and six against the Colts, but it may have

836
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: not been high. They were all a terrible timing. All

837
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: six of those penalties all came back to by the

838
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: go ahead. Yeah, just to get back to your points

839
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: to me, the two key plays were the strip sacked

840
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: that was eliminated and also they're blocking in the back

841
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: call because um, when they were down in their own

842
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: five yard line, right, I mean I was right in

843
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: front of me, and you know that. I believe they

844
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: got a first down on that play. If I'm not mistaken,

845
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: it was either a first down or had set them

846
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: up within a yard or two. Hold on, we got

847
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: the play right here. I can look at it plays

848
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: in the game and Lance, getting back to your thing.

849
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: The only six penalties, it was, they had six penalties.

850
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: It was only for like twenty four yards, but they

851
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: were so critical that it just killed them all. Right,

852
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: Second and ten from the Giants for Barkley for nine.

853
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: They called Greco for the illegal block above the waist,

854
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: so it would have been thrown in one. Instead it

855
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: was second down in twelve from the two, and uh,

856
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: that's not good. Yeah. Yeah. And one of the other

857
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: points I wanted to make is that, you know, it

858
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: seems interesting that early in the year Eli had to

859
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: play a perfect game in order to carry the offense.

860
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: It sort of flipped around now that Eli has to

861
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: play a perfect game in order to carry the defense.

862
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: I mean, unfortunately he got because of the defensive problems.

863
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: He was forced to take that try to take the

864
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: team down the field, and that's when he made. It's

865
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: one mistake. But you know, it just seems that Eli

866
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: doesn't have a break. He's got to carry the team

867
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: no matter what. And I'll say one thing, anyone who

868
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: thinks you I doesn't have arm strength, um Man. That

869
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: play he threw the Shepherd, it reminded me of the

870
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: Tyree throw. When he threw that ball, it was I

871
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: mean right at me. When I look down at the field,

872
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: Oh I saw was green. I mean when that ball

873
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: came out, there was nothing out there and Shepherd ran

874
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: right under it. In country to what the prayer callers said,

875
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: I'll take Shepherd any day of the week. If he's

876
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: not the number two or number three receiver, I'll take

877
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: him for his downfield blocking because he's a great great point. Yeah,

878
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: and he probably doesn't get enough credit. He has made

879
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: some huge blocks, not just one game, throughout the season,

880
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: and that I think is somewhat of an overlook facet.

881
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: You want to look for signs of progress. By the way,

882
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: how do you put that into numbers statistically? How does

883
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: that show up in the box score. I think this

884
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: wide receiver unit overall has improved dramatically. I know there's

885
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: some new faces marked to your point, but I think

886
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: across the board, these guys have shown a willingness and

887
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: a desire to block up the field. And I don't

888
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: think it's coincidental that Tyke Tolbert, the wide receiver's coach,

889
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: is a big reason why they've improved in that category,

890
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: because that's been a big point of emphasis. I'll give

891
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: you another reason, because they know if they throw a block,

892
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: say Kwon Barkley, might break a big one. I'm sure

893
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: that to know. But in all seriousness, Tight Colbert is

894
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: emphasizing that tally, and he's commending guys for doing that

895
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: much more so than grabbing a fifty five yard pass

896
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: from Eli Manning like Sterling did. Yeah, got just one

897
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: other point. I'll get off the line. Um. I don't

898
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: know who votes for the Pro Bowl, but it's a

899
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: combination makes as a first alternate for the Pro Bowl.

900
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I looked at his stats. He's played ten games,

901
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: He's got four and a half sacks, QB hits, So

902
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: he's getting to the quarterback won the two times a

903
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: game and I don't know, I don't see it. So anyway,

904
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: thanks for the time, guys in the Happy New Year.

905
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: Appreciate the phone call. The Olivier ron in the production

906
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: has not been what the Giants would like it to be, obviously,

907
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: as we've talked to James Vetcher and Pat Shermer. The

908
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: um what we're terming to get a high ankle sprain,

909
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: but I think you know, that's just the generic term

910
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: for what he had really really hampered him the whole

911
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: first half of the season, and that's been communicated to us.

912
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate because I do think he tries hard. I

913
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: do think he has a lot of pride. I do

914
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: think a couple of years ago, when the Giants didn't

915
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: go to the playoffs, he was a big reason why,

916
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: and unfortunately since that time and again the injuries are

917
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 1: a factor. He's almost like the Giants poster guy for

918
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: the almost getting there? How many how many times almost

919
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: there and you gotta finish well. I think it fairness.

920
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: He's similar to Evan Ingram, where the last few games

921
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: I think he has gotten there. Unfortunately, the one time

922
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: he got there was wiped out via penalty, so it

923
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily his wrong doing unto those circumstances. But I've

924
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: I've seen a little bit more out of him late

925
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: in the season, and I don't think, once again that's

926
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,479
Speaker 1: a coincidence. I think it's he's now nearing full health,

927
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: and when you get these guys back to full health,

928
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: you can see they have more than capable of making plays.

929
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: But as far as him as a first alternate for

930
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl, I'll be honest with the until Mark

931
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: mentioned it, I didn't even realize Olivia Vernon was a

932
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: full first alternate. I'm not necessarily paying much attention to

933
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: it other than the individuals that make the Pro Bowl.

934
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: And you know a lot of players wind up pulling

935
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: out of the Pro Bowl because of last second injuries

936
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: of the commitments teams make the Super Bowl. So when

937
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: you actually look at the initial Pro Bowl roster every

938
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: year and then look at the amount of guys that

939
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: actually playing the game, they need to replace so many

940
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: players in fairness that yes, there's gonna be a lot

941
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: of guys Mark that wind up playing in the game

942
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: that probably are not the first, the second, or even

943
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: the third choice. The only eye opening news from the

944
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: Giants perspective that came out of the Pro Bowl for

945
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: me Is that Odell Beckham Jr. Was a second alternated

946
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the NFC. And I'm sorry, but I

947
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: just thought that was ridiculous. And remember that came out

948
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago before he missed the last

949
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: two of the three games that he has been held

950
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: out off. I just thought that that was absurd. But

951
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: other than that, I mean nothing else was shocking. I

952
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: I've been a big Elder Grosses fan since he got

953
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: to the Giants, so I thought he certainly had a chance.

954
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: So I wasn't blown away when he got it. I

955
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: was blown away from him. But you could certainly look

956
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 1: at his stat line and understand why his performance merited consideration.

957
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: He's been extremely reliable and a tremendous amount of improvement

958
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: between the span of one offseason with a new coaching staff,

959
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: with a new special teams coach. So when you take

960
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: all that into consideration, and then his one miss wasn't

961
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: just a horrendous miss. It just came up short. Plus

962
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was on target, it just didn't have

963
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: enough in it. And by the way, he credited Tom Quinn,

964
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: who was last year's special teams coach and is now

965
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: this year's assistant special team's coach, as a guy who

966
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: was able to help him um kind of round off

967
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: the rough edges that he experienced during his rookie season.

968
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: He said, I thought it was great to have him

969
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: here because we were able to compare where I went

970
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: wrong last year and how we could fix it self evaluate.

971
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: And you can't do that if there's not a holdover guy. So,

972
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: as it turned out, Tom Quinn, who came here kind

973
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: of on a on a fluke situation because the coaching

974
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: staff had changed, Uh, he had another year left on

975
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: his contract. He was not hired by anybody else. And

976
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: when Tom mcgahey came to the Giants and they found

977
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: out he had health issues and was going to miss

978
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: some time. They called up Tom Quinn and said, Tom,

979
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: you wanted to contract for the year anyway? Do you

980
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: do you want to work? Well, we'll we'll we'll have

981
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: you in the building and we'll let you work. And

982
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, you know what, I'd rather earn

983
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: my pay than to just sit home. And I think

984
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: it turned out to be very beneficial for everybody. Plus,

985
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: it's now a feather in his hat because now you

986
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: get the guy to go to the throwball. So if

987
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: he's looking for future prospects or he has an opportunity

988
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: to stay on Pat Shermer' staff, it's almost anna win

989
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: win for him. But the one thing I will say

990
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: is not only having a familiar voice with him, I

991
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: also think it helped them to get the new perspective

992
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: of Thomas mcgahey. So you've got the combination of both,

993
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: which I think also helped accelerate the improvement of Aldrich

994
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: Rosa's all right, let's head back to the lines. Marco

995
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: is in Connecticut. Marco, welcome aboard. What do you got

996
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: for us anyways? And Paul, how are you after New Year?

997
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: You guys, um, I'm calling you because I wanted to

998
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: get your opinion on something that I read last night, UM,

999
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: pertaining to the draft of last year. But I think

1000
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna be something that comes up a lot leading

1001
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: into the sauseason. And actually, as soon as I think

1002
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: this game is over this Sunday, I think you guys

1003
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: are gonna start taking calls on this. UM. I don't.

1004
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: I think last year when the when the Giants were

1005
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: making their pick. Leading up to that, I think, you know,

1006
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: there's so much discussion. You guys had so many guys

1007
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: on talking about the draft and their opinions and where

1008
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: they think the Giants should go, and you guys shared

1009
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: and I don't know how maybe tired you got off

1010
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: talking about should they take a quarterback and should they not? Oh,

1011
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: we got tired of that real quickly, believe tired of that,

1012
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: especially since I told dismissed it. So well, okay, well

1013
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: it's not entirely about that, but I I just and

1014
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: you guys noticed that's gonna come up again this year.

1015
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: Hundreds that. But maybe I think the discussion this year

1016
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: is a little more interesting because you don't have the

1017
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: group like you had last year. UM. So this is

1018
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 1: what prompted me the calls because last night, I read something.

1019
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say who the guy was, but it

1020
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: is a credible writer who covers the draft and covers

1021
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: the league and he's been very, very hard on the Giants. Um,

1022
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: Barkley has been tremendous, but he's been very UM, I

1023
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: think selective about the type of credit he gives Barkley

1024
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: because he's just so in disagreement that the Giants made

1025
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: of the wrong pick and not taking the quarterback. So

1026
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: for me, it's not so much about is Barkley the

1027
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: right guy or not. I love Barkley. I also think

1028
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 1: that the quarterbacks have proven to be pretty good so far. Um.

1029
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: But the but the comment that really got me last

1030
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: night was this writer wrote, it was a devastating decision

1031
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: that's likely to haunt the Giants for years, even decades,

1032
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: and their front office should be one and done. And

1033
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: I got I got pretty aggravated with that comment. Um,

1034
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: but I was like, you know what, I want to

1035
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: bring it up. I think I'm gonna bring it up

1036
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: to John at some point to just to see what

1037
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: he thinks about it. But here's my take on it.

1038
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: And then i'd let you ever you think I don't.

1039
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's like, hey, front office to say, hey,

1040
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna get our quarterbacks two or three years down

1041
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: the road. I think what Gettleman really wanted to do

1042
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: was absolutely land the right pick and no doubt about it.

1043
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: Can't can't mess it up. So we need we need

1044
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: a player who a hundred will be productive. And like

1045
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: he said, he actually said Hall of Fame Barkley has

1046
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: sit the Bill Barkley says for me, I look at

1047
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: other teams like the Rams um another team that's not

1048
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: come in to mind right now, maybe the Jets. Yeah,

1049
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: the Jets. Actually they took Jamal Adam and then they

1050
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: took Donald the rams girly, and then they ended up

1051
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: taking off. I don't know if it was drawn up

1052
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: that way, but that's the way it ended up. And

1053
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: I think the Giants are gonna end up being similar

1054
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: to that. But what's your take on that, because I

1055
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: don't think teams necessarily fall apart for decades anymore when

1056
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: they don't take the quarterback that that people think they

1057
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: should have taken, Like it seemed like that in the

1058
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: nineties and eating and the Giants were absolutely in that

1059
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: quarterback hell during that time. After since but I'm leading

1060
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: up to Carry Collins, but Carry Collins was a free agent.

1061
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion on it. Do you

1062
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: think franchises are still setback for decades if they don't

1063
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: draft the right quarterback? Um? And and if you want

1064
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: to content on that, on that Twitter content, I'd love

1065
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: to hear what you think. Alright, Marco, Well, we'll let

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Speaker 1: you go on that note and appreciate the phone call. Alright,

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Speaker 1: A couple of thoughts. First of all, No, I don't

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Speaker 1: think you get set back for decades because you are

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Speaker 1: right with the kind of movement you have in the

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Speaker 1: NFL via free agency guys who are giving up on

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00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: because the salary cap issues, etcetera, etcetera. You can always

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Speaker 1: get somebody who was capable. I think it's pretty hard

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Speaker 1: unless you are, over the course of time, a very

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Speaker 1: poor evaluator of talent. I mean the Browns of draft

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00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: and how many quarterbacks in the last decade or so,

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00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: and they keep missing and missing and missing and missing. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's to me, that's the aberration. I think. You know,

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Speaker 1: even the Jets for a while got a couple of

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00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: good years out of Mark sand Jets. Okay, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's pretty hard to do what the Browns have done

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Speaker 1: by missing on so many quarterbacks over a given period.

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Speaker 1: But I don't need to go job. I'll let you continue.

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Speaker 1: It's also they missed out on players outside of the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: To the deficiency of overall talent, the organization did not

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Speaker 1: do a good job. I mean, you brought up the Jets.

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Speaker 1: Remember the Jets had a good running game with Thomas Jones,

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Speaker 1: and they had a really good defense. You put that

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00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: with a young quarterback who may not electric, You're at

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00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: least gonna put yourself in a position to be connective.

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Speaker 1: So I think I think it's ridiculous for anybody to

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Speaker 1: say that your decades doomed if you don't get the

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Speaker 1: next replacement quarterback. That's first second thing I want to say.

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Speaker 1: And this is me. I'm not speaking for anybody else

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00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: on this program. And we all know that John did

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00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: not want to take a quarterback. Um, I don't think

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00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: anyone really knows until about four or five years out

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00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: whether or not truly that was the right decision. We

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00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: can say right now this year, after one season is

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00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: practically in the books. It certainly looked like Barkley was

1100
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: the correct move. Okay, I championed that. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: sit here and get on my high horse and say

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00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: it's a lock. Let's wait four or five years before

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Speaker 1: we have claim that it was the correct move. But

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Speaker 1: here's what I will say. Anybody who rips the Barkley

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00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: pick saying they should have taken a quarterback, the only

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00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: defense they have because they don't want to be held accountable,

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00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: is to say that the Giants were wrong and the

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00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: Giants were fooling. Because every single fan writer or media

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00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: guy that screamed from the heavens they have to take

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, Barkley was the wrong pick. They've got egg

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00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: on their faces and they probably will continue to have

1112
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: the go on their faces for the next how many years,

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00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: decade or whatever it is. And the only out that

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00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: they have not to look like complete fools is to

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00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: say that giants were wrong. I was right all along.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have taken Barkley. I know they took him.

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00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: He may be a great player, but they still made

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00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: the wrong decision. You see. That's the only way that

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00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: they can possibly defend themselves not to be held accountable.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm not surprised at the reaction okay, and

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00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna leave it right there because that's my

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00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: personal viewpoint, not to be shared by anybody else on

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Speaker 1: this panel or in this building. But that's how I

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Speaker 1: feel about the divisiveness and the way that opinions have

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Speaker 1: overcome common sense in today's society. And this is not

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Speaker 1: just about sports or the giants. This is about everything.

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00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to say that they're this, they're that, they

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Speaker 1: want to fight the other side, and then they don't

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00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: want to be held accountable after they're proven wrong. That's

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Speaker 1: just the way it is. I think that's well said.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a microcosm of what goes on in

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Speaker 1: society today. Are we say that sports I think is

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Speaker 1: relevant to that degree just piggybacking off of what you said.

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Speaker 1: First of all, anyone who jumps to conclusions one year

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Speaker 1: removed from the draft, I think is somebody that clearly

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00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: just needs to put out content for their readers, for

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Speaker 1: their site whatever. I don't know who the writer is.

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Speaker 1: I'm not losing sleepover and I'm not saying, by the way,

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Speaker 1: that whatever Marco quoted is wrong, because that writer is

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00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: entitled to his or her opinion. See that that's important

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00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: to note in this conversation we're all entitled to our opinions,

1142
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: assuming also that it operates under facts too, which is important.

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00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: So right now it's possible to jump to conclusions about

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00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley, you have to wait to jump to conclusions

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00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: even about the rest of that quarter to But but

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Speaker 1: here's the other way to look at it, Paul, I'll

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Speaker 1: take it a step further. Can you operate under the

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Speaker 1: mindset that if the Giants take Sam Donald, or the

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Speaker 1: Giants take any other quarterback, that you simply plucked that

1150
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Speaker 1: quarterback away from how he's performing on one team, you

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00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: put him on another team with completely different talent and coaching,

1152
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: and you automatically yield the same results. See that's also

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00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: a hypothetical argument. So even if Barkley, let's say, doesn't

1154
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Speaker 1: turn out to the consistent rate that everybody wanted, you

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00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: then can't simply jump to the conclusion, well, if the

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Speaker 1: Giant simply took Sam Donald, then they would have had

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Speaker 1: a pro bowler for five years in a row. See now,

1158
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Speaker 1: because you're talking about the environment, and that goes back

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Speaker 1: to even the rookie class between rivers Ben and Eli,

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Speaker 1: I think switched all of those, all three guys landed

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Speaker 1: in the right spot. Ben would not have done what

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00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: he did on us. He was with the Steelers. He

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01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: was the perfect guy for them. Eli was the perfect

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Speaker 1: guy for the Giants. I'm not sure that Rivers would

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01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: have had the stats of the career he's had if

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Speaker 1: he was with Pittsburgh or New York because he was

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Speaker 1: a very thin skinned guy, especially early in his career.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know what they do to people who

1169
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Speaker 1: fail in Pittsburgh or in New York. They crucified him.

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Speaker 1: How would Rivers have delt with that? Well, Rivers also

1171
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,479
Speaker 1: been yelling and screaming at Jake Cutler during that charge.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, those three guys landed in

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Speaker 1: the right spot. Well, I don't disagree with that sentenive,

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Speaker 1: but there's really no way to disprove whatever there's But

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01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: it goes in your theory about environment, and you can't

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Speaker 1: just pluck guys out and move them around and say

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Speaker 1: in a decision making process that this would have worked

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Speaker 1: or this wouldn't have worked. No, the environment does have

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01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: a lot to do with it. It really does. And

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Speaker 1: that's my larger points. So you know, even when we're

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Speaker 1: four or five years removed from this draft. The segments,

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Speaker 1: the divisive segments that you're alluding to, Paul, somebody's gonna

1183
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: want to declare victory. You know, everybody's always out for

1184
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna want to come back to the battlefield and say, Okay,

1185
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: owe it to me. Earn it here that you admit

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01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: that you're wrong. And final point, and I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: didn't mention the guy's name, because, let's face it, if

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01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,959
Speaker 1: he says that Barkley is a great player, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: win Rookie of the Year and the Giants did the

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01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: right thing. Nobody's talking or reading about his stuff. But

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01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: if he screams that the Giants screw it up, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Barkley is a great player, but they still screw it up. Well,

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01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: now people are gonna read it. It draws attention to

1194
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: his fluff, and he gets notoriety and he gets attention.

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01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what everybody wants to do with today's society.

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01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: They wanted All media guys today want attention for themselves,

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Speaker 1: instantaneous gratification. There you go, the good way to sum

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Speaker 1: up this conversation. I'm glad you didn't mention his name.

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