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Speaker 1: It is a Monday, A patriotic Monday, USA, USA, Sorry,

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Speaker 1: our neighbors to the north. It's the way it had

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Speaker 1: to be. We're live, it's Chicago, It's the Herd. Wherever

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Speaker 1: you may be, however you may be listening, listening, or watching.

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Speaker 1: You know, every forty six years, nothing galvanizes America, our

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Speaker 1: divided country, quite like our Olympic hockey team. And you

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Speaker 1: could say, well, it's patriotism, but you know what, cross

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Speaker 1: country skiing has patriotism too. There is something about our

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Speaker 1: American guys that gets people to line up yesterday four

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Speaker 1: forty five in the morning out west at bars. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's because we're rarely favorites. It's ingrained in the Canadian culture,

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Speaker 1: Swedish culture, Lotvian culture. So we're always underdogs and that

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Speaker 1: gives us the chip on the shoulder Americans love or

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Speaker 1: maybe Improbably it's because you can see how much it

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Speaker 1: matters to our players. This isn't the eighty team. They're

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Speaker 1: paid professionals, they're rich and do you realize in the

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Speaker 1: last CBA about five years ago, these guys fought for

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Speaker 1: the right to play in the Olympics. Now, they fought

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Speaker 1: for it. It wasn't just a demand, it was a stipulation,

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Speaker 1: or they wouldn't sign. The CBA eight Our professional hockey

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Speaker 1: players and Canada's too. The last CBA fought to play

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Speaker 1: in international events to grow the game. Other sports could

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Speaker 1: probably pay a little attention to that. Hockey's rugged individualism

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Speaker 1: has always been a strength. It's tough guys, guys always

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Speaker 1: willing to defend a teammate and fight relentless, dudes who

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Speaker 1: love playing with one another. That's always been a strength.

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Speaker 1: It's the best of us. No pandering, all grit, no

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Speaker 1: selfish play allowed. Players are missing teeth, taking sticks to

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Speaker 1: the face, hammering each other into the boards, and yet

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Speaker 1: they are lining up and signing up to play for

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Speaker 1: their country. Not just us, but the Canadians. What made

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Speaker 1: it even sweeter yesterday is we were mostly outplayed. We've

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Speaker 1: got to be totally honest. The second period we were

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Speaker 1: under attack. It was an onslaught by the Canadians, out

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Speaker 1: playing us, out shooting us. They had a five on

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Speaker 1: three for ninety seconds. It felt a lot longer than that,

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Speaker 1: but we survived, allowing only one goal as they tied it.

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Speaker 3: And how did we do it?

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Speaker 1: The best player on the ice was Connor Hellabuk in goal.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely epic. It had a Jim Craig nineteen eighty feel.

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Speaker 1: This team was far more talented, and he's a very

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Speaker 1: talented goalie, whether or not you'd heard of him, but

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Speaker 1: it was epic and we needed him. The Canadians had

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Speaker 1: forty two shots on goal. We had twenty eight, and

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Speaker 1: it felt like a majority of theirs came in the

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Speaker 1: second period, and by the time it got to overtime,

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Speaker 1: to some degree, it felt like we had survived. We

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Speaker 1: probably as they go to three on three, we probably

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Speaker 1: were going to win this thing if we could survive

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Speaker 1: the first three periods, and that's what happened. Jack Hughes,

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Speaker 1: one of the two brother tandems on Team USA, scored

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Speaker 1: the winning goal and got us the goal. Were we

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Speaker 1: the better team, well, we had the better goalie. Were

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Speaker 1: we the better team, well we weren't overtime. Were we

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Speaker 1: more resourceful team, slipping by both Sweden and Canada in overtime.

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Speaker 1: Will this grow the NHL doesn't hurt. I have no idea,

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Speaker 1: but it does continue to grow. The respect you have

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Speaker 1: hockey community. They fought to play in the Olympics, not

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Speaker 1: just our guys, but the Canadians as well, in a

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Speaker 1: game which could have gone either way, and probably for

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Speaker 1: It's one of the brothers with a winning goal, and

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Speaker 4: This is all about our country right now. I love

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Speaker 4: The USAir Hockey brotherhood is so strong and we have

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Speaker 4: be Americans. Unbelievable game by hellibuck. He was our best

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Speaker 5: By our team.

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Speaker 4: That's just a ballsy, gutsy win. That's American hockey right there.

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Speaker 5: But we're USA. We're so proud to be Americans. Tonight

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Speaker 1: Spot On could not have delivered a greater message. Way

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Speaker 1: to go Team USA. Tony Granado, a former head coach

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Speaker 1: years ago, will be joining us later this hour. So

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Speaker 1: the Celtics go to Los Angeles. Jalen Brown had thirty

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Speaker 1: two points. He's had a great year without Jason Tatum,

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Speaker 1: and they beat Los Angeles. But what it really was

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Speaker 1: the Celtics have been missing their star all year, Jason Tatum,

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Speaker 1: and yet they've never lost their identity. They're actually, and

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Speaker 1: Tatum's a very very good defender, they're actually statistically a

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Speaker 1: better defensive team without him. That's not that they don't

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Speaker 1: miss him because they're not as good offensively. But it

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Speaker 1: shows you what matters with Boston. It's the difference between

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Speaker 1: a team and a collection of players. They're well coached,

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Speaker 1: they're collaborative, they're intense. Again, they're not as good offensively,

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Speaker 1: regardless of athletic limitations, is giving you everything on both ends.

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Speaker 1: They have people like Sam Hauser in the starting lineup

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Speaker 1: that unless you're a die hard Celtic fan or NBA fan,

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Speaker 1: you're not really aware of his resume. But last night

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Speaker 1: it's another great example is that they go on the

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Speaker 1: road unfriendly territory. Everybody, every Celtic both ends is giving

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Speaker 1: you everything, totally engaged, winning every fifty to fifty ball,

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Speaker 1: and the Lakers as soon as Luca doesn't get a call,

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Speaker 1: he's barking to the officials as the Celtics scoot down

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Speaker 1: the floor and score on the other end. One is

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Speaker 1: a series of individuals who feel a little entitled if

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Speaker 1: you think I'm wrong. The Lakers Big Three has played

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Speaker 1: together twelve times this year, and yet against the four

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Speaker 1: teams likely to make the playoffs, they're zero to four,

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Speaker 1: losing by an average of eighteen points. The Celtics play

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Speaker 1: very well against good teams because they don't lose their

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Speaker 1: identity despite moving off Porzingis or Drew Holliday or Jason

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Speaker 1: Tatum is hurt. It doesn't change their effort, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: change their defense. It slightly changes their offense. Jalen Brown,

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Speaker 1: now take that's a bigger role. He's arguably their best

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Speaker 1: player even when Tatum was around. But that's the difference.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers are entitled. It's a collection of individuals. At

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Speaker 6: The whole championship team pretty much is Conrey vamped, and

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Speaker 6: he uses motivation to keep them afloat. They're playing great

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Speaker 6: basketball and it's because of him and the rest of

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Speaker 6: those guys. He's he's taking that next step. You know,

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Speaker 6: our relationship has been, you know, pretty respectful. Besides he

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Speaker 6: said about Bronnie.

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Speaker 5: And some of the other that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but other other than that, other than that, you know,

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Speaker 6: we've been we've been all right, let's whole MVP things.

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Speaker 6: I don't understand why his name is not getting talked

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Speaker 6: about some as well, like nobody gave them a shot

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Speaker 6: to start the season. Uh, and he's having what thirty yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: just under thirty. Yeah, it's a popularity contest.

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Speaker 7: Some times I tell you.

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Speaker 1: For the record of the twenty two Laker losses, and

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Speaker 1: this is instructive of nineteen by double digits. When the

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Speaker 1: going gets tough for the Celtics, they banded together. When

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Speaker 1: the going gets tough for the Lakers, you can see

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Speaker 1: by the results they fold or complain about the officials.

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Speaker 1: This is part of the reality of Luca. You do

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Speaker 1: what your star does. He's not much of a defensive

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Speaker 1: And you saw it again yesterday. All right, Jay Mac,

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Speaker 1: the vaunted team you hate so much, the Celtics came

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's Canada's culture. It's interesting though Canada

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Speaker 1: has not won a Stanley Cup final since the early nineties.

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Speaker 1: It was ninety three, it was the Montreal Canadians, and

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Speaker 1: now we beat him in hockey, Olympic hockey men's and women.

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Speaker 1: So it's not I mean, along with the terror, it

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Speaker 1: has been a very bad six months for our neighbors

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Speaker 1: But it is pretty remarkable that they were slight underdogs

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Speaker 1: Jim Craig, and you know, his remarkable story was so valuable.

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Speaker 1: And now you go, and the best player on the

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Speaker 3: In the net.

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Speaker 1: The only reason we won that thing was the guy

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Speaker 3: It has been a.

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Speaker 3: I almost feel guilty about.

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Speaker 8: All the tariffs, you know, the Supreme courts hiving in.

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Speaker 8: Let's leave that out of it. Also, the best Canadian

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Speaker 8: basketball player, he's down for OKC. You know he's probably

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Speaker 8: gonna win the MVP if he comes back.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you're right, that tough.

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Speaker 5: Go here for our awesome neighbors to the north.

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Speaker 1: Away, Well, we thought the perfect guest today. We put

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Speaker 1: our heads together and we said, let's see. Tony Grenado

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Speaker 1: He's been an assistant coach, He's been a player that

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Speaker 1: was back Calgary. He's coached professionals and then the non professionals.

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Speaker 1: And then I said this to start the show today.

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Speaker 1: What's great about hockey? Both Canadian and American players, NHL players,

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Speaker 1: they fought in their CBA to demand the right to

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Speaker 1: play international events, and you can when you turn the

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Speaker 1: television on. For the last two weeks, it just flies

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Speaker 1: through the TV Canada, Sweden, USA, Latvia.

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Speaker 3: It didn't matter who you watch these NHL guys.

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Speaker 1: They fought in their CBA, they wanted to be in

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Speaker 1: the Olympics. They know it grows the game, and I

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Speaker 1: wish other sports in America cared as much. Baseball should

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Speaker 1: pay attention to this. And Tony Grenado, former coach of

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Speaker 1: the Colorado Avalanche.

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Speaker 1: First of all, is it e I would imagine hockey

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Speaker 1: They're tough guys, they're collaborative, they're great teammates. Was it

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Speaker 9: I love the way you're bragging our sport up. By

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Speaker 7: Right now because of your enthusiasm for our game. Uh.

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Speaker 9: You know what, in general, the hockey player and I'll

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Speaker 9: being a Blackhawk fan. Now i'mgo, well, Kelly used to

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Speaker 7: For us, there's nothing better.

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Speaker 9: So I think that enthusiasm and you talked about, you know,

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Speaker 7: Be able to do that.

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Speaker 9: And because of that, I think you said it shows

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Speaker 9: There's lots of head to head competition in this Olympics

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Speaker 7: Right, and there was no you know, there was no

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Speaker 9: They mean they were, they were, you know, running over

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Speaker 9: But overall, it was just a tremendous tournament.

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Speaker 7: Really showed our sport off.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: Well, one of the things that really struck me yesterday

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Speaker 1: defenders and rebounders and glue guys. When you're building this

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Speaker 1: team USA, and this is not the nineteen eighty team.

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Speaker 1: This these are great players. These are really elite skilled players.

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Speaker 1: The brother tandems are both great. But when you were

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Speaker 3: Is it a hard roster to construct?

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Speaker 7: It's extremely difficult.

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Speaker 9: But on the other end, and if you listen to

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Speaker 7: Decisions were hard.

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Speaker 9: And the reason they were hard is because I got

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Speaker 7: And so I was critical of it on my own thinking.

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Speaker 7: Cole Kawfield's my coach.

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Speaker 9: Cole one of my favorite players in the world, and

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Speaker 7: Thought he, you know, should be on that team.

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Speaker 9: But listening to Billy and then watching as that team

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Speaker 7: So if you're going to beat Cannon, how are you

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Speaker 9: Kill a five on three, which they had to, and

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Speaker 9: So it was constructed the right way because they want

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Speaker 1: Tony Garado joining us for the radio audience, a former

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Speaker 1: In the NFL, they've always struggled with what in the

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Speaker 1: on three. And John Cooper's like, I don't love it.

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Speaker 1: But my takeaway has always been in any sport, you

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's really jet fuel to the more skilled players.

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Speaker 5: Do you like it?

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Speaker 9: I love three and three. I love three and three

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Speaker 7: We don't go three on three.

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Speaker 9: We play five on five, and we if we have

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Speaker 7: Let's not kid ourselves.

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Speaker 9: We play the game, but really the people that pay

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Speaker 7: It's their game.

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Speaker 9: So their appreciation for three on three, the excitement that

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Speaker 9: So that was the rules that the Olympics have You

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Speaker 7: Had we won it, you know, it would have been

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Speaker 1: Listen, Connor Hillibuck was amazing, you know. Jim Craig, having

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Colin, you know what, he was so close to

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Speaker 7: I lost in overtime.

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Speaker 9: to not be like that. We used to have to

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Speaker 9: take a miracle to win a game. But the USA

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Speaker 9: Hockey has got to feel, you know, with yesterday's victory that,

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Speaker 9: you know, a what we can finally say we're as

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Speaker 9: good ass We don't have to say we're better, we're

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Speaker 9: as good as Canada and be.

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Speaker 7: Proud of it. We don't have to tiptoe around.

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Speaker 9: It anymore and say it's Canada's game and you know,

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Speaker 9: you know, we just play it. You know, we're good

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Speaker 9: and we're darn good. And the guys yesterday went out

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Speaker 9: on the ice. They made everybody that ever played for

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Speaker 9: the USA Hockey UH program along the way, very very proud.

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Speaker 9: And it's it's a it's a it was a great

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Speaker 9: moment for all of us to kind of I don't

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Speaker 9: want to say, brad because it's not really the style

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Speaker 9: of what you know, we've been taught for the game.

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Speaker 9: But I think we could be really proud and uh

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Speaker 9: and smile about what happened yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was physical from the outset.

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Speaker 1: It was what you knew. It was funny. It was

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Speaker 1: the over under. It was five and a half and

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Speaker 1: I had a friend in Florida. I said, take the under.

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Speaker 1: I said, this thing's going to be intense. There's no

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Speaker 1: way we're getting a wild four to three shootout, No way,

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Speaker 1: Tony Granado and absolute pleasure. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: what you do in joining us today.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a Empacific on Fock Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: Hour two and a Monday. Great to have you in,

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck. The Combine starts Thursday. Chris Bruce Sard. We

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Speaker 1: just had Tony Grenada on as a team. USA outlast

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Speaker 1: Canada men's and women's. Just tremendous sports achievement. And I've

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Speaker 1: said this before about the Olympics. I used to watch

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Speaker 1: it a lot when I was younger because it was

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Speaker 1: the only three week period that sports was on in

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Speaker 1: my house right in the seventies or the eighties or

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Speaker 1: the nineties, you know, and he didn't have as much

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Speaker 1: sports on TV, so it didn't feel quite as special.

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Speaker 1: But let me tell you that, like bars were open.

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Speaker 1: I saw in New York City, which is going through

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Speaker 1: some brutal weather. Over the next couple of days, they

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Speaker 1: lifted some ban on drinking in the city. It was

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Speaker 1: we had kind of a European feel over the week

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Speaker 1: on Sunday the weekend.

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Speaker 3: And it was just it was just remarkable.

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Speaker 1: So here we go to Monday, where Colin was right

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Speaker 1: and where Colin was wrong. Where Colin was right, Well,

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Speaker 1: no Jason Tatum this year, and shocker not really. The

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Speaker 1: Celtics have the second best record in the East and

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Speaker 1: are actually better defensively. It's nothing against Jason Tatum because

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Speaker 1: they're not quite as good offensively, but the Celtics are

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Speaker 1: about coaching collaborative intensity. Other guys step up, and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of Sam Hawsers on this team that are

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Speaker 1: given an opportunity in more minutes now And the reality

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Speaker 1: is they're eight and two in their last ten. Once again,

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Speaker 1: they're very good on the road and as exceptional as

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Speaker 1: Jason Tatum is, Jalen Brown on many nights felt like

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Speaker 1: the better player and he's having an MVP.

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Speaker 3: Season where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I thought the Dallas Mavericks could contend and get the

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Speaker 1: Western Conference finals, but Kyrie Irving is now announced he

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Speaker 1: will not play this year. They had injuries, eighty was

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Speaker 1: out of shape, the Luca trade has been a disaster,

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Speaker 1: and now it's just going to be a lot of

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Speaker 1: Cooper flag highlights, which I'm good with. But I thought

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Speaker 1: this team had a chance to really compete, and from

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Speaker 1: the very beginning the injuries piled up. Kyrie's done and

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Speaker 1: so is the Maverick season. Where Colin was right, Well,

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Speaker 1: the Lakers. They've got a new sheriff in town. Lawn Rosen,

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Speaker 1: former Laker executive, then a Dodger heavyweight executive, has now

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Speaker 1: replaced a member of the Laker front office. So as

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Speaker 1: we predicted, the Lakers needed new eyes, ears, and voices

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Speaker 1: in the front office, and now they're bringing over a

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Speaker 1: heavyweight exec, a no nonsense exec Lawn Rosen from the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers back to the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: The last three years, I've been convinced Yannis would leave

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Speaker 1: mill Milwaukee. He's grumbled they got a title, the injuries

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Speaker 1: are piling up, the roster's too old and thin, and

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Speaker 1: even in the very weak East, is Milwaukee really a threat?

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Speaker 1: But the trade deadline has come and passed, and he

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Speaker 1: is still a Milwaukee Buck. What's interesting now is what

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Speaker 1: is he really worth? Do I think he's a good

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Speaker 1: fit with the Knicks. Yeah, if you don't have to

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Speaker 1: give up all your draft picks and multiple starters, but

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Speaker 1: he's not an outside perimeter player. He has multiple injuries.

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Speaker 1: He needs the ball in his hand. He's not much

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Speaker 1: off ball. Tremendous defensive pressure, rim protector and length, But

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I've thought for three years they could move him,

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Speaker 1: and he's still there. Where Colin was right, Bryce Harper

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Speaker 1: and Manny Machado now Dodger rivals, came out and said

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Speaker 1: what I've been preaching on this show. The Dodger's dominance

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Speaker 1: is not a weakness, it is a strength. Why should

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Speaker 1: they have to play by Saint Louis and Sinson and

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Speaker 1: Andie's economy rules. The reality is Machado and Bryce Harper

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Speaker 1: came out and said what the Dodgers are doing is

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Speaker 1: great for baseball. Fans want to watch star studded rosters. Oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, in the last twelve years, major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball has nine different champions, So stop telling me the

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Speaker 1: sport is lobsided.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Well, Adam Silver is going aggressively after tanking. My take was,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you avoid it. It's been happening forever,

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Speaker 1: and with the new CBA and all the aprons, what

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Speaker 1: other avenue does smart gms have than the tank for

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Speaker 1: a couple of years, like you know Utah's doing or

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Speaker 1: Detroit did, and get players?

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Speaker 3: Where are the avenues?

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Speaker 1: You can't trade your way to greatness anymore with the

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Speaker 1: new CBA, the luxury taxes too punitive. So but Adam

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Speaker 1: Silver is apparently implementing as we speak, a new headwind

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Speaker 1: for anybody considering tanking. Where Colin was right, I've said

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Speaker 1: for years, if the Cowboys don't have a legit general manager,

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Speaker 1: they're going to continue to falter well where it is.

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Speaker 1: They're going to give Javonte Williams, a nice but not

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Speaker 1: special running back, a three year deal in twenty four

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Speaker 1: million dollars, whereas Seattle, with an elite GM, is letting

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker go, Who's healthier, more productive a Super Bowl MVP.

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Speaker 1: This last year for Javonte Williams was the first time

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Speaker 1: ever he started sixteen games. I like him, I think

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Speaker 1: he's a good player. But this is what the Cowboys do.

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Speaker 1: They wait too long or they pay too early. And

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Speaker 1: if Seattle can let go of Kenneth Walker with a

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Speaker 1: loaded roster, is this really the best move for Dallas?

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: I said when Mick Cronin threw out during mid game

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Speaker 1: one of his players for what he perceived as an

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Speaker 1: overly aggressive well, his reaction was way over the top.

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Speaker 1: And UCLA can be touchy feely in the athletic department.

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Speaker 1: This was not gonna stand well. Within thirty six hours

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Speaker 1: of this, Mick Cronin out of mea kopa. Sounded like

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Speaker 1: he not only got his hand slapped, but maybe was

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Speaker 1: reminded that he's in the middle of the Big ten

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Speaker 1: and he better take a chill pill or he may

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Speaker 1: get run by season's end. Here was Mick Cronin.

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Speaker 10: First of all, I want you guys to know something.

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Speaker 10: I already apologized to Steve Okay. I thought that he

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Speaker 10: took the guy out like the kid at Providence took

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Speaker 10: the guy.

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Speaker 7: From Saint John's out.

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Speaker 10: That's the only reason I sent him to the locker room.

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Speaker 10: I thought he literally made a dirty play and tried

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Speaker 10: to wipe the guy out.

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Speaker 5: Now I don't have the film.

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Speaker 10: Once I saw the film, I mean, he still got

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Speaker 10: an f one. To be honest with you, I don't

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Speaker 10: even know if he deserved that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was not going to play in Westwood One

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Speaker 1: more heard.

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Speaker 2: The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days

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Speaker 3: Is interesting.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about this this morning, as our domestic

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Speaker 1: players and are surging right in hockey, in basketball, the

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Speaker 1: international players are sort of taking it over. And we'll

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Speaker 1: get into that among other things with Chris Brusard, co

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Speaker 1: host First Things First is now joining us live on

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Speaker 1: a Monday. Chris, as always brew, it's great to see you.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with the Lakers, and I've said

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Speaker 1: this before, years and years ago, about twenty five years ago,

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Speaker 1: a general manager in the league said, it's not about

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Speaker 1: getting a star, it's about getting the right star. And

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Speaker 1: I think at the time he used Tim Duncan. He's like,

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Speaker 1: he plays defense, he's coachable, he's about the right stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's winning basketball.

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Speaker 1: It's not about flash he goes, that's the right star.

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Speaker 1: And there's guys like Stevie Francis or mar Berry who

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Speaker 1: were marvelously talented but maybe been distracted. They weren't necessarily

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Speaker 1: winning players. So I've said this about Luca. I've always

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Speaker 1: said he's a better Carmelo he's not in great shape,

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Speaker 1: he's not committed on the defensive end, but he's an

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Speaker 1: all time scoring threat. But Luca now has thirteen technicals yesterday,

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Speaker 1: it's a very average effort.

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Speaker 3: He's arguing with officials.

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Speaker 1: The Celtics are racing down to the other end of

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Speaker 1: the floor, and that because they won the trade with

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Speaker 1: the Mavericks. Everybody's like it's finished. I'm a year into

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Speaker 1: Luca and I'm like, is he the best culture creator?

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Speaker 1: Isn't it Lebron having another teammate who doesn't really want

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Speaker 1: to you know, Anthony Davis didn't want to get in

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Speaker 1: great shape. Luca, I could argue, never looks to be

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Speaker 1: in great shape. Where are you on Luca? The Lakers

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Speaker 1: and him being the centerpiece of the culture going forward?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I love Luca.

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Speaker 11: Early in his career I nicknamed him Luca Legend after

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Speaker 11: Larry Bird.

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Speaker 5: I thought he was like.

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Speaker 11: The a turbo version or new age version of Larry Bird.

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Speaker 11: And he is great individually. But I am really beginning

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Speaker 11: to question, and this is I just start feeling this

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Speaker 11: way maybe a month ago. Colin, a month or two ago.

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Speaker 11: I don't know if he's ever gonna win a championship.

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Speaker 11: And it's not because he's not individually good enough. It's

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Speaker 11: because of the way he plays. He is so hard

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Speaker 11: to build around because he's so ball dominant. And we've

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Speaker 11: seen ball dominant players, but ball dominant players that shoot

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Speaker 11: and score a lot are really tough to build around.

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Speaker 5: Steve Nash, Chris Paul.

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Speaker 11: They're ball dominant, but they were passed first guys. Even

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Speaker 11: Lebron when he was really in his prime and ball dominant,

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Speaker 11: it was a challenge to build around him because he

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Speaker 11: was ball dominant and shot and scored a lot. And

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Speaker 11: that's what we see it with James Harden throughout his career.

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Speaker 5: So I think that it's going to be challenging.

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Speaker 11: And right now, the Lakers just aren't built well around Luke,

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Speaker 11: so they're gonna have to basically scrap this team. Keep

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Speaker 11: Austin Reeves obviously, and a few others, but they got.

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Speaker 5: To put shooters, athletes who.

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Speaker 11: Can defend, rebounders who you know all they want to

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Speaker 11: do is defend and rebound or catch and shoot. That's

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Speaker 11: the type of team you have to build around Luca,

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Speaker 11: maybe one other great offensive player like an Austin Reeves.

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Speaker 11: He did it with Kyrie when he got to the

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Speaker 11: finals in Dallas.

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Speaker 5: But it's a challenge to build.

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Speaker 11: Around a player like Luca because of the way he plays.

655
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 11: And I'll say this, Colin, Look, I think Luka Doncic

656
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 11: is better, not just now, but just period.

657
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Speaker 5: He's better than Cooper Flag.

658
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 11: But I would rather have Cooper Flag on my team

659
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 11: as my young building block than Luca because Cooper plays defense.

660
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 11: Cooper doesn't dominate the ball. He you know, he plays

661
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 11: within a system and that allows other guys to be

662
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 11: the best version of themselves. It's you really can't do

663
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 11: that with Luca unless you just if you're a great

664
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 11: offensive individual player by yourself. So look at Jalen Brunson.

665
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 11: Nobody knew he had all this when he played with

666
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 11: Luca except when Luca was out, and then Jalen had

667
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 11: them all.

668
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Speaker 5: And so, yeah, is a challenge. I don't know if

669
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Speaker 5: you win a championship as great as.

670
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Speaker 1: He is, well, he's not as dynamic as he was.

671
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: He's more cerebral now than he is dynamic. I mean,

672
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: he came in and he was dunking twenty five times

673
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: a year. He's down to two or three, and now

674
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: he has far more technicals than he does dunks. His

675
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: game is shifted. So you know, I never bought into

676
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum face of the league. I said, he's an

677
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: All Star, he'll be All NBA. He's a great player.

678
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't really have an aura like Michael Jordan had

679
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: the look and the cool and the earrings and the

680
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: smile and the game, and Michael was just like once

681
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: in a generation player like that. Michael Steph Curry's got

682
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: the game and the flare and the fun or shak keel,

683
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: the personality and the dominance and the power. Are you

684
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: surprised that the Celtics are this They're actually better defensively

685
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: than they were with Tatum. I think some of that

686
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: is everybody knows they have to play better defense now

687
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: without Tatum because they're not quite as good offensively. Are

688
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: you surprised, though, that Tatum gets pulled out for the

689
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: year and you watch the Celtics, you watch them yesterday,

690
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: you watch them on the road, you watch them defensively,

691
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: Chris Brute, they could absolutely end.

692
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: Up in the finals again.

693
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Speaker 11: Yet look, I don't think they'll get to the finals,

694
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 11: but I am surprised at their success, Like I.

695
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 5: Thought they'd make the playoffs.

696
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 11: I thought, at best they might they would be in

697
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 11: the hunt for you know, home court advantage in the

698
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 11: first round top four. But I'm shocked at how that

699
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 11: they're the second best team in the East right now

700
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 11: without Jason Tatum, and just look at.

701
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Speaker 5: Some of the guys that are playing. This is a.

702
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Speaker 11: Credit to Joe Missoula. I mean really like Joe Mizoula.

703
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 11: This is what he says. We shoot threes and if

704
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 11: you want to be on the court, you better defend

705
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 11: your butt off, and that's what they got. Everybody knows

706
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 11: if I'm going to play, I have got to put

707
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 11: forth the effort defensively and be smart and play team defense.

708
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 5: And that's what they do. That's all they do.

709
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 11: They defend and they shoot the three, and that is

710
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 11: successful in today's NBA.

711
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 5: It's not a great roster.

712
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 11: I mean, I credit you know, Brad Stevens and all

713
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 11: those guys are putting it together. They got the right

714
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 11: type of character guys and they're skilled at what the

715
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 11: team wants to do. But it is incredible how successful

716
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 11: they're doing. And Jalen Brown le Brown was right. He

717
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 11: should be right there near the top of the MVP race.

718
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's always been great, you know. At sometimes

719
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown's one of those guys. He didn't go to

720
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: a big basketball school. He went to cal Right and

721
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: then he and then all of a sudden, the duke

722
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: guy Jason Tatum gets the love and the front office

723
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 1: gets the love, and you look up all these years

724
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: later and you're like, Jalen Brown's putting together Hall of

725
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: Fame career. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

726
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: People have to come to terms with the guy's been

727
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: an elite two way player for a long time. So

728
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: I was talking to I watched a clip over the

729
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: weekend because I thought Orlando was going to be a

730
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: much better team than they are, and there was a

731
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: clip on Pawel Bancaro and how he's not a winning player,

732
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: and I started, I was talking to the staff this morning.

733
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: I said, John Morant, great talent, not a winning player.

734
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: Zion great talent, not a winning player. Now, Boncaro, the

735
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: knock is nobody gets better when he's on the floor.

736
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Speaker 1: And my take is international players all feel like the

737
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: top international guys they make the team better. They can

738
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Speaker 1: play within a team. Construct Jokic or a Wemby most

739
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: we can criticize Luca, but they're winning players. Is there

740
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: an aau G league, a domestic basketball problem, or we're

741
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: creating talent. But if you look at some of the

742
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: big I mean, Sga can score, but he feels like

743
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: he's a winning player. I mean, is it a thing

744
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: or is it not a thing? That what's going on

745
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: with many of our top domestic players.

746
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 7: Now?

747
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: Lebron was absolutely a winning player. Steph Curry, even though

748
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: he's not as ball dominant. I always thought Steph is

749
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: trying to get I mean, he'll pass the ball, he'll

750
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: get rid of the ball quickly, he'll get out. He's

751
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Speaker 1: a winning player. What do you make of that? Ben Carol,

752
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: John Moran, Zion domestic guys talent are they?

753
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: Probably are? They were w's.

754
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Speaker 11: I think we've got two issues that address this situation.

755
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 11: And first of all, we might find in twenty twenty

756
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 11: eight Colin without Steph, without Lebron. I know, I saw

757
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 11: Kevin Durant says he wants to play in the Olympics.

758
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 5: We might get our.

759
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 11: Feelings hurt, and it's exactly what you're talking about.

760
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 5: In the Olympics.

761
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Speaker 11: We might get our feelings hurt because our best young players,

762
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 11: good chance they don't win gold, if not even a

763
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 11: lesser metal. But I think there's two things. Number One,

764
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Speaker 11: I think American culture. Everybody talks about AAU and stuff

765
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 11: like that, and that has its issues, But I think

766
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 11: it's American culture in general.

767
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 5: If you are a fifteen year old great.

768
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Speaker 11: Basketball player in America, one of the best in the country,

769
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 11: you're a celebrity. You got hundreds of thousands, if not millions,

770
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 11: of followers on social media, you are making money from

771
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 11: nil perhaps, and you are a celebrity, and you feel

772
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 11: like you've already made it to some degree. Now, whoever's

773
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 11: coaching you can't really coach.

774
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 5: You because you're a superstar.

775
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 11: They're just trying to keep you on their team because

776
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 11: you're their meal ticket. So if you don't pass the ball,

777
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 11: they're not yelling at you, if you don't defend, if

778
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 11: you take bad shots, they're not able to yell at

779
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 11: you and coach you hard because you're afraid you might leave.

780
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 5: And go to the next team. So that's a problem.

781
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 11: Whereas in Europe or internationally, if you're fifteen year old

782
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 11: years old and a great player, you are playing on

783
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 11: the pro team with grown men. You're not getting any

784
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 11: playing time in the games. You're practicing like twice a day,

785
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 11: getting beat up by grown men in practice, and the

786
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 11: coach is coaching you hard on the fundamentals, etc.

787
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 5: Etc. And you're humble.

788
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 11: You're still humble at fifteen. Internationally in America, if you're fifteen,

789
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 11: you think.

790
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 5: You're all that.

791
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 11: The second thing is our coaching in America.

792
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 5: Has gotten it.

793
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 11: It's not as good as internationally. And I when you

794
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 11: watch the international play, like in the World Games or

795
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 11: Team Olympics, you'll notice cotton. Now, remember ten fifteen years ago,

796
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 11: we were playing inside out basketball and the world was

797
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 11: playing outside. We were trading two point buckets and they

798
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 11: were getting three point buckets and we were almost losing

799
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 11: those games, and we did start losing.

800
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 5: Now we are when you see us.

801
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 11: Play internationally, we are getting out rebounded. We are getting

802
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 11: beat up inside. And with the international countries, they still

803
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 11: shoot the three, they move, everybody's moving, they're playing five

804
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 11: man basketball, and they still play inside as well. We

805
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 11: act like in America, you can only play one way,

806
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 11: So now we've gone totally the opposite.

807
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 5: All we're doing is shooting threes.

808
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 11: We got no really good big American big men to

809
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 11: play inside and can punish you inside. And so now

810
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 11: internationally were getting out rebounded.

811
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 5: We're too small. All we want to do is shoot threes.

812
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 5: You can do boats.

813
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 11: You can do boats, and that's what they understand. Internationally.

814
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 11: We play inside. We moved to basketball, shoot the three.

815
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 5: We can do that here. We just need to play

816
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 5: the whole game.

817
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 11: It's frustrating, as you can see from my perspective, you're sweating.

818
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 3: Getting you all work out.

819
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Speaker 1: I'm going to end with this. Listen, the Pistons have

820
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: played the next Now they maybe have played them more

821
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: than twice, but the two times I've watched clips of it,

822
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: Detroit's beaten the you know what out of the Knicks.

823
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: And there are times when people are bad matchups. It

824
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: feels like the Knicks can't get stops when they play

825
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: the Pistons, like the Pistons have their number on the

826
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: offensive end of it. You're kind of taking what's a

827
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: realistic vibe for the Knicks going forward? Now, halla Burton's

828
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: coming back next year, Tatum's coming back, Detroit's only getting better.

829
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 1: Where do you position the Knicks going forward?

830
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 11: Well, look, I certainly think Detroit is better they would

831
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 11: be my pick in the East right now. They're too

832
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 11: tough for the Knicks, and that's the Knicks problem. The

833
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 11: Knicks are for nesse team, and some of that may

834
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 11: be on their big man, Karl Anthony Towns, who's kind

835
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 11: of a finesse player.

836
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 5: Last couple of games he's played tougher.

837
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Speaker 11: He's going to have to play tougher for them to

838
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 11: have a chance.

839
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Speaker 5: Detroit.

840
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 11: It's amazing, Colin, because this Detroit Piston team is in

841
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 11: the mold of all those great former Detroit champions right

842
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 11: the bad Boys were defense first, tough, will beat you up.

843
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 11: And same thing with the Chauncey Billups, Trashe Wallace group,

844
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 11: Ben Wallace that won a championship.

845
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 5: Tough, defense, beat you up. That's what this team is.

846
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 5: Same thing. And they're just too tough for the Knicks.

847
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 5: I mean they really are. They just too.

848
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 11: Darn tough for the New York Knicks. So the Knicks

849
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 11: have a couple of months to really get tougher if

850
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 11: they can. But that's their problem now. Anybody else in

851
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 11: the East could they play with. They could play with

852
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 11: Boston and beat Boston. Cleveland I think is a soft

853
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 11: team as well, and so that's why I.

854
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 5: Think Detroit will win the East.

855
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 11: They could be could have beat New York last year

856
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 11: in the playoffs, even though they lost in six.

857
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 5: That was a tough series.

858
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 11: But the Knicks going forward, that cat has to be

859
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 11: a little tougher.

860
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: I think that's yeah. Nick don't get a lot of

861
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: points in the paint. They don't get any bench scoring,

862
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: so that it's like, the more ways you can score,

863
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: the more ways you can win in the NBA playoffs,

864
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: and the Knicks have kind of a way. It's got

865
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: to be Brunson. And by the way, Karl Anthony Towns

866
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: in a seven game series will have two unbelievable games.

867
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: He'll be the best player on the floor in two

868
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: of the games, and then they'll get weird and flaky

869
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: and disappear and get into He has more bad fouls,

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Speaker 1: so you just he's just a very inconsistent player. It's

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Speaker 1: Chris Bruce Sard. Listen when you get Bruce sweating, when

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Speaker 1: you have to brew this, I took. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to take too much your energy before you. Nick Wright

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Speaker 1: drives you crazy, so it's good seeing.

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Speaker 9: You too.

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Speaker 5: Collin