WEBVTT - Secrets to Baiting Bears 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.440 You're listening to the Sportsman's Nation podcast network, brought to 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:09.120 you by Federal Premium Ammunition and their new centerfire rifle ammunition, 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:14.720 Terminal Ascent. Now, the Terminal Ascent has a slip stream 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:19.560 polymer tip that helps flattened trajectories and initiates low velocity 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:23.520 expansion at longer ranges. 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We'll talk about tactics, 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.880 gear conservation. We will also bring you into some of 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:27.520 the wildest country on the planet, chasing fair. I want 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:32.160 to describe what this podcast is about and kind of 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.840 the style that we used on this podcast. If you've 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:36.640 listened to us very long, you know that we have 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:42.240 a lot of long form, conversational style podcast that don't 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:47.119 necessarily have a specific topic. Maybe we're interviewing and old 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:51.520 hunter or houndsman or a deer hunter or whatever. Sometimes 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:56.120 we have podcasts that are very technical and tactical, and 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.240 we try to just get down to business and really 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.080 educate people. That's what this is. So this podcast, I 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:08.440 have gathered up the best black bear hunters that I 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:15.000 know in where I live, Heath Martin, Ryan Greb, and 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.880 these guys have taken baiting bears to a whole another 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:23.280 level of expertise, and so we nerd out for an 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:28.360 hour and a half about all things pertaining to baiting 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.320 black bears. And I think you can use this information 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:34.080 anywhere in the country that's legal debate. I think this 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:38.280 information would be valuable for spring hunters and fall hunters, 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.960 but most of what we're talking about is specifically fall hunting. 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.040 We talked about how to set up a bait, what 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.160 bait to use, how long do you bait, how do 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:51.160 you target big bears, what's the root baiting routine that 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:56.640 you use, and how do you utilize strategic routine on 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.480 the day that you hunt to target these big bears. 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:01.880 I'll also think that even if you're not interested in 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:05.880 baiting bears, you could learn about fair behavior. I have 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:10.720 learned more about bair behavior from watching how they interact 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.440 with food source on an unnatural bait than I have 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:18.360 any other way because the sheer exposure that you get 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:23.360 to animal behavior bare behavior is exponential. If I only 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:28.680 gathered information from watching bears on natural food, I would 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.600 have very limited understanding what bears do because it's just 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.480 so hard to find them doing what they do, especially 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:38.400 in the East and thick cover. So watching bears over bait, 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.920 understanding what they do, how they utilize that, it's the 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.440 same way that they utilize natural food sources out in 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:49.160 wild places. So this is a great podcast. It it'll 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.640 go in the archives, and when somebody direct messages me 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.720 and say hey, Clay, I'm starting to bait and you 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.360 give any tips, I'm gonna send them this podcast. You 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.240 listen from this to start to fit ish, and you 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:05.320 will learn a decade worth of three guys who pretty 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:09.520 much dedicated themselves to hunting big bears over bait in 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:13.000 a pretty pressured area. When this podcast was done, I 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:16.039 turned to Heath and I said, Man, if somebody would 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.560 just listen to that and really heat the advice that 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.160 was given, they would learn what it took us ten 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.719 years to learn. The last thing that I want to 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.719 say as a preface to a podcast about baiting bears 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.760 is that a lot of people don't understand baiting. And 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:33.720 I think if you listen to this podcast, you'll see 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.320 how much work it is, how much strategy goes into it, 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.200 how much thought goes into it, and you'll have an 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:43.039 appreciation for that. I want to say that wherever that 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:49.480 we're baiting bears, the management agencies are using this as 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.800 a management tool to harvest the number of bears that 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:56.520 we need out of that habitat. And that's just it. 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:00.520 It's a It is a management tool and high effective 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:04.800 management tool. And you know what if you if a 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:09.839 thousand years from now, anthropologists are going through a fossil 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:15.479 record which would include us, and they perceived fair baiting 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:19.680 activity and they were like, Wow, these ancient hunters put 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:25.880 out bait for bears. What that would indicate to them 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.560 is high bear populations that needed to be managed. Are 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:34.159 you with me? Are you tracking me? Basically, baiting bears 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:38.760 is a management tool that actually indicates success of a 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.799 species that needs to be managed. So this whole premise 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:48.920 that baiting is, you know, somehow not fair, chase, not difficult, 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:53.240 that's an old world mentality that is no longer relevant. 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:58.239 It's a management tool, and bear baiting allows a hunter 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.480 to be selective. The least selective hunting that Clay Nukeom 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.040 does is a spot and stock hunt, because I usually 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:09.200 shoot the first bear I see. I pass incredible amounts 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.880 of bear when I'm hunting over bait, waiting for an older, 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:15.400 mature mail, which is the perfect animal to take out 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:20.640 of the population. And so in terms of ethics as well, 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.679 when you're talking about shop placement, you know exactly where 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.720 that bear is gonna be, strategically set up your stand 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.400 and debait in such a way that the animals turned 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.400 in the right direction. You have all these factors that 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:36.840 you can control, and I think that's highly important inside 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.680 of a of a time when really we're inside of 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:44.560 a uh a culture war in a sense where people 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.720 don't understand our way of life. They don't understand our 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:54.000 methodology for harvesting game, utilizing the meat, just our lifestyle 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.080 of hunting. And so being educated on why we do 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:01.000 what we do is incredibly important in to blind important 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:02.760 and you've heard us say it because we've got a 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:08.400 guard the gate. Hunting bears and large predators is often 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.800 the place that the anti hunting community finds fault with 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.400 North American hunting, and I don't think we've done a 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.760 great job of even understanding why we do what we do, 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.880 and so we've got to guard the gate, build a 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:28.000 strong understanding of why we do what we do, and 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.560 I think that will help preserve the whole of North 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:36.560 American hunting. You're gonna enjoy this podcast about the secrets 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:41.360 to baiting black bears. Yep, I love baiting and black bears. 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:51.360 We are in Heath Martin's office. We're looking at a 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:56.040 bunch of big, nice white tails, a big British Columbian moose, 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:01.160 big five four pound Arkansas black bear over here on 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:06.320 the rocks. Um. Yeah, so I've got Heath Martin heat. 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.400 This is your first time on the podcast. You you're 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.680 You've been due for a long time for bear hunting 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:15.080 magazine podcasts. I think we tried to We talked about 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:22.240 doing a bear related podcast probably last year. Because you're well, 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.400 I'll get to the introduction of you after I talked 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.600 about Ryan Grab, Ryan Flint Flay scrab You've been on 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.360 the podcast several times, Ryan, Yeah, a few times. Thanks 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.920 for having me back. Yeah. Man, Well, hey, you two 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:39.520 are like, to me, this is like the uh It's like, 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.040 I don't know if there are any sports that just 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:46.440 have three players, but you guys are like the dream 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:52.000 team of at least Arkansas black bear hunting. And I've 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.079 said this before about Ryan, and I'll say it again 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.800 because unless somebody disputes me and Heath, maybe you can. 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:02.160 And if you can, you can. I think per volume 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:06.800 of bears killed in the state of Arkansas, I think 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.160 if you just added the weight of every bear you've 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.240 ever killed, I think Ryan's killed the most beared by 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.199 volume of any person I've met. There may be people 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.440 I have not met, but this guy has killed a 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.080 three hundred plus pound bear every year, just about for 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.160 the last twenty years. I've been a couple of years interspersed. 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.760 You've killed good ones, I mean, is that true? But 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.760 have you been lying to me, Y'll take half the 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.880 y'all rotate every other year, so you'll probably stay up 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.719 with me if you stay after himself. I don't. Did 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:42.240 you hunt last year the last couple of years? Well, okay, 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:46.160 And then Heath, he has killed He's the only person 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.240 in the state of Arkansas that's killed two boon and 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:53.240 crocket bears, monsters, monsters five d plus pounds are there, Yeah, 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.079 And so I mean that's and you've killed a many 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.680 many big bears. But you know, every everybody kind of 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:06.160 does things different, like, uh, I haven't. I've killed just 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.920 a handful of bears personally over bait in the state 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:11.959 of Arkansas. I don't think a lot of people realize 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:16.680 that you've catered. But every year for the last twenty years, 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:21.720 I've baited extensively, you know, and um, and I've usually 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:25.880 tried to So I mean, you know it just in Heath, 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:31.280 you have baited extensively for periods of time. And then 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.280 you know you've been going on some of these big 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.839 game hunts at prime time, and that's a that's a 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:37.920 big deal. When you're baiting bears and you've gotta be here. 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:41.079 It's a ton of work for about a month before season, 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.280 and so if you're gone during that time period, it 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.719 doesn't even make sense to even try. And so the 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:49.640 last couple of years you've been galivanting across the planet, uh, 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.760 killing big game and all these crazy places. That's correct. 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:59.320 Leaving next week for Pinizza, Alaska, Pinesza moose hunts this year, 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:03.560 but there most September. So yeah, Well, the thing most 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.720 I respect about both of you guys is that you 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:11.040 you just you're good. You've you've you've learned, you've learned 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.520 what it takes to be successful, not just with bears, 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:17.120 but with big bears. And uh, and you guys know 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.880 as well as anybody that you gotta do a lot 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:27.120 of things right to kill big bears consistently really anywhere. Um, 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.000 And so what I want to do today is just 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.880 kind of nerd out about baiting bears. And you know, 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.240 there's a lot of different people that listen to this podcasts. 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.240 I mean, there's guys that listen to podcasts that don't 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.000 even bear hunt. There's guys that listen to this podcasts 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.440 that don't bait bears. But we always have to at 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:48.800 some point narrowed down the focus to just hone in 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:52.760 into like this one area, you know, And uh So, 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.000 what I want to do with you all is kind 0:11:55.040 --> 0:12:01.480 of take somebody from start to finish the key components 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:07.760 of baiting bears, and then we can also talk about 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:13.080 kind of like the advanced technical side of killing big bears, 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.360 because there's a big difference, wouldn't you say, heath? Just 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.000 from I mean, like if a guy here, a guy 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.720 anywhere that can bait bears, and there's quite a few 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.319 states that you can bait in a lot of the 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:27.040 Canadian all the Canadian provinces pretty much. Um, there's a 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:30.719 big difference between just killing a bear and killing a 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:37.559 big bear. Wouldn't you say heath? Yeah? Absolutely, Well let's 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.280 uh so, I've got to I've kind of got a 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.320 list here. I'll go ahead and read the list of 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.720 what I want to cover, just so if you're listening 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.800 to this, you can kind of track what we're gonna 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.440 talk about. We're gonna talk about where to place a 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.920 bait site. So I want to hear about you guys 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.240 experience on actually where to place it. A lot of 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:00.440 guys who have questions about that, And what I learned 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:05.080 is that two places in the same county can be 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:10.000 one can be absolutely a wonderful place to kill a 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:14.880 big bear, and a mile away you have a you know, 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.240 difficult time even killing a bear. So just because you're 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.880 in a good county, just because you're in a good state, 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.840 doesn't mean that your bait site is gonna be in 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:29.199 the best place. And on a micro scale, there's always 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.320 a best place, no matter if you've got forty acres, 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.400 if you've got five thousand acres, there's one spot that's 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.640 gonna be the best, I feel like. So we're gonna 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.559 talk about where debait, where to place abait, what type 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.800 of feeders to use. That never entered my mind that 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:46.839 that was a big deal, but people ask me all 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.959 the time about get questions on that. Yeah, like what 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.280 you know, are you using bait barrels, plastic or metal? 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.880 So I want to talk about that. Um let's see 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:02.439 here my list, Uh, how far in advance to start 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.600 feeding bears. We can talk about timing, what type of bait, 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.080 and how much. There's all kinds of controversy in the 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.960 bear world about how much to feed bears. You know, 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:17.400 there's the philosophy that you feed him a small amount, 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.440 and there's also a philosophy that you give them as 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:20.800 much as you can eat. And I think I know 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.400 where you gotta stand on that sent attractants. And then 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.360 we'll talk about how to target big bears. And then 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.360 I want to hear about y'all's routine for opening day. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.480 I think that is the biggest mistake that people make, 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.240 and I have made it and I've learned stuff from 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.880 you guys, is that you have this routine of abating 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:44.840 and then on opening day what you do is really 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:50.360 really important, especially if you're targeting a big bear. 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So you might say, oh I can, 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.840 I can draw in bears with natural food, but you'll 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.960 draw in more bears with commercial sense. So check out 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:08.480 Northwood Bear products where you did. Oh yeah, so we'll 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.440 probably My first serious dive into bating is and around 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.080 two thousand seven. I think I killed my first bear 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:20.080 in two thousand and seven. Actually, and uh I believe 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:21.840 if I remember that year, it was just over a 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.800 corn feeder, so it was very dre was dry, It 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.560 wasn't a lot of work. I had never killed a bear. 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.239 First bear to walked by, I shot it and was 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.920 tickled to death, not knowing I'd ever shoot another bear 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.800 because in r l E. In the last ten and 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:41.520 twelve fourteen years, our population has exploded tremendously. I mean, 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.600 that's something you have a chance to kill every year, 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:45.359 even in two thousand and seven. It was really the 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.400 first bear I've ever seen that I'd had an opportunity 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.960 to hunt, right, So then that kind of gave me 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.080 the bug, I guess you would say, And so I'm 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.280 sure it's the conversation with you and other people. I 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.160 started figuring out how to bait and just trial and air, 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:59.560 you know, so I was like, well, dog food and grease, 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:01.560 you know, I'll so then that the next year I've 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.480 waited a little more and corn and dog food and sweets, 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:08.280 and you know, getting baite is tough getting sweets. You know. 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:10.000 We'll talk about that. I'm sure about you get a 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:11.800 question on there, so we can talk about that later. 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.280 But I got lucky and killed that bear, I believe 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:16.800 in No, I think I killed him in over night, 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.080 And actually so I don't think I killed a bear. No. 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:23.840 Eight and uh, but got some barre pictures, learned some 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.840 stuff baiting, you know, trial and error, and then up 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.280 my game a little bit. It was a little more 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:30.760 serious about it and killed my first boon and Crockett 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.000 bear with my second bear ever, so I mean a 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.880 little luck involved, but still was able to harvest him 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.119 once I got him coming to bait, you know. And 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.800 then yeah, from there, I just it was pretty serious 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.320 about it and learned from trial and air and figured 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:46.119 stuff out, you know, and try to get better at 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.680 getting better quality food to feed him and figure out 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:50.480 what worked good. And you know a lot of it's 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.480 based on where we hunt. Not other places in the 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:58.040 country maybe, but tremendously on mast. Yeah, that's a that's 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.800 a theme anywhere they're bad. It may not be hard, yeah, 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.439 but are And it's all the seasons too, you know. 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:09.120 So our season always opens as or after the hard 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.679 mast is falling, right, So that's just and it depends 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:15.879 on what opening day is, you know. It's whole conversation. Um, 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.439 so you got to figure out how to keep bears 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.119 big bears. You guys know, we'll leave a barrel of 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.160 donuts overnight for a white okayre just just the insane. 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:30.159 I know it's crazy, So you know, I had to 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.479 kind of start learning how to keep bears as good 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:34.080 as I can. And just because you do some of 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.480 this stuff don't mean you're gonna keep that bear. A 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:40.120 quick question, do you have much competition over around where 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:46.560 you hunt? Human competition? Yeah, I think there's probably some, 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:48.800 you know there for a while, when I get real 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.720 serious about it, I had three bait locations over about 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:56.320 a twelve square mile area basically four miles and four 0:20:56.320 --> 0:21:00.800 miles and four miles kind of a trying spaced out 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:03.959 to where I wasn't fighting myself, right, but in our reality, 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:05.640 there was a time or two when I would get 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:07.920 the same big bear on two of those bats four 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:10.119 miles and four miles apart. And I bet you had 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:15.359 a lot more competition than you realized. I think there is, right, absolutely, um, 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:17.919 But a couple of the plot, the couple of my 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:21.720 most successful spots were harder to get into, and the 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.320 competition would be I think a little further way because 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:27.400 of the way the block of national forest adjoining our property, 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:30.960 so we can only bait on we can private land, 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.600 but the land I would bait on borders some national 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.240 forest blocks, and so if they're big enough and remote enough, 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.680 you don't have people right on you baiting. So you're 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:44.000 tracking bears out of that large block of national forest 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:47.439 into your private property, you know, where you can legally 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.600 bait at that point, So you can you can pretty 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:54.360 safely assume that unless somebody's doing something illegal, if you've 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:57.480 got this giant block and national forest, that nobody's baiting bears, 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:01.280 and they can hunt bears there, but they can't beta bear. Yeah, 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.359 and around here, you know, there's only even in giant 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.399 blocks national force, there's some private back there somewhere, so 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:09.880 somebody could be but there's a couple of blocks. There's 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.879 a mile a mile and a half blocks that nobody's in, 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:17.200 which is not that big for a bear in reality. 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:21.040 But if you get one sometimes it's likes to stay 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.480 there and hold tight. And you really got what he 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:25.960 likes to eat, you can keep him on a pretty 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:30.160 good pattern. Now, you tell me about your competition, Ryan, 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:35.480 where you're at um. I did have some guys you know, 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:37.639 a mile and a half two miles from me, and 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.560 they took big bears. I mean, you know we were 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:45.200 talking about and uh, I know he does because he 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.639 actually just sold the property just a year or two ago. Uh, 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.720 but yeah, that was it didn't seem to be a 0:22:53.800 --> 0:22:57.479 really a factor because we both understood that we were 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:02.000 chasing big bears, not average bears, and we communicated back 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:06.760 and forth, but we were really remote, didn't have any 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:10.520 really four wheeler traffic or people and out even deer 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:13.919 hunting them. So it was it was almost like a 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:15.919 a buddy was baiting because you kind of knew what 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:20.280 was going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it man just 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:22.800 happened to be luck Out and it's just a place 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:27.560 that holds big bears and always always did and uh 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:30.679 still does to this day. Well let's let's talk about 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:32.800 where to put a bear. But I think that's key too, 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:34.840 and I'm sure we'll get to that later. But I mean, 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:36.480 just because you go put a bait in the woods, 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:38.480 don't mean you're gonna kill him with your bear. Not 0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:40.760 all created equal, and I can attest that to all 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:43.440 my baits. That's we can talk about that. Well, that's 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:45.440 that's why, that's what I want to talk about. There's 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:50.160 two two things that I want to analyze. So if 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:55.080 you're taking this really serious, like we all have at 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:57.240 different times, like there was one time when I was 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:01.480 baiting eleven different spots in a good county in Arkansas, 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:06.800 and every year I would end up having two to 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:10.800 three spots that I was willing to put somebody on 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:13.840 the hunt when it came down the season. And finally 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:15.840 I just got to where I didn't bait the other 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:20.240 eight places because they just didn't produce. Now, could I 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:23.440 get bears to come in there, yes, but by the season, 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:27.040 by the time season arrived, the big bears would be gone, 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:29.800 or all the bears would be gone, or we're big 0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.480 bears even coming to it right, And and most of 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:35.359 them I've abandoned sites for that reason too. We was 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.280 I talked, we had three when we were really heavy. 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:41.800 Three main sits too always produced giant bears. Now they 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:43.600 might not be there come season, but there was always 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:46.280 giant bears in the area. A third one we probably 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:49.400 baited four years and there was always quite a few 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:52.840 bears there, and there would actually be bears there come season. 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:55.879 That one year I killed that big double tag old 0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:59.720 sal a couple of times. She came off of that pace. 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:02.639 She's probably the biggest bear that in four years that 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:05.840 ever came to that base. Three pounds south. She's a 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:07.840 big sal But the point of that was there was 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:10.160 never I mean, i'm not gonna say a two hundred 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:12.800 and fifty pounds sou didn't or a board didn't walk 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:15.439 by that bait occasionally, but there was never a sure 0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:19.600 enough mature boar ever in four years come to that base. 0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:24.240 And that's a fantastic point because some places produced big 0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:26.960 bears and some don't. And when we say big bears, 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:29.080 we're not talking about a two hundred fifty pound mile. 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:33.320 We're talking about a four hundred plus pound trophy ultra 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:36.359 mature big bear. And this we finally abandoned this site 0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:39.000 because it was really remote and theory it had everything 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.639 what I thought should have to grow hold and be 0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:44.160 able to bat mature bears. It took a long time 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:46.159 to get there. It's hard to bat, which is some 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:49.560 of the keys. But after four years it's like, I mean, 0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:51.600 I've never had a mature board come here. Why am 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:54.560 I still baiting here? So we kind of abandoned that site, 0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:56.880 you know, in our reality, and killed just some meat 0:25:56.880 --> 0:25:59.080 bears off the two that we had, and I had 0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:02.760 to put as much work or bait somewhere that we 0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:04.480 weren't really ever hunting. I mean, I did kill the 0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:06.359 one bear there, but of all those years, that's the 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:08.560 only time we ever even hunted there, which one day 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:11.879 I hunted this one day four years and it was 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:16.880 the only bear. What are the characteristics of the good 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:24.760 sites that tend to draw big bears? Man, thickness? It's 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:31.560 just quietness, no intrusion. Quietness, you mean, like not a 0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:36.960 county road half mile away. Bears like bed a lot 0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:43.080 of times in low areas with lots of shade, preferably 0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:49.160 maybe some damp, you know areas. But you know, each 0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:51.960 piece of land has a story to tell, and it 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:55.120 may take you a couple of years to totally understand 0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:59.840 how the animals move on this piece of ground. So 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:03.000 and in our reality, my opinion that too sometimes is 0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:05.320 I don't know if there's a right answer to your question. 0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:08.000 I mean, I think sometimes there's a spot almost like 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:10.280 a deer or fish, which there's usually a reason the 0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:12.440 fish likes to be here versus even a big deer. 0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:14.879 And that's all of our first love was dear, But 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:17.440 I don't know why there was never a big boar 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:19.800 in this one spot. To me, it was perfect right, 0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:21.880 But there never was. And but then there's these two 0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:23.560 other spots. It's like, I mean, every time a bear 0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:26.439 comes in, not every bear, but there's always big boards. 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:31.359 And to me, they're all fairly similar in characteristics, you know, 0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.480 so why I did the one never produced, but the 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:37.720 other two always had a mature and and and usually 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:40.560 the other two had multiple mature bears coming from you know, 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.439 maybe not by season, but throughout the bating time frame, 0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:45.520 and you can kill one or two of them and 0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:49.480 then another one next year. Next year, they'll be back here. 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:51.959 It's I mean, it is one of the deals. Were 0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:54.680 there all. We did a we did a last week. 0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:57.679 We had a biologist on the podcast, and she was 0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:01.280 talking about how the female bears, they're the ones that 0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:05.680 they're mainly tracking in understanding what they're doing. And these 0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:10.640 female bears will select to live in areas that are 0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:14.760 is remote from human intrusion as possible, Like they don't 0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:19.000 like roads, they don't like human houses, like if a 0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:22.400 bear is not stressed, and obviously people have bears coming 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:24.720 to their houses and eating their trash cans and stuff 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.720 in the in the summertime and periods of stress, but 0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:32.600 those bears want to be an unfragmented wilderness. And we'll 0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:35.639 use the term wilderness, not as in capital wilderness like 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:39.680 capital w wilderness like federal land. That's but wilderness in 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:42.440 terms of wherever you live the most remote. If it's 0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:46.640 in Michigan, it's gonna be the deepest, darkest swamp that 0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:50.880 has the least human intrusion. If it's in Arkansas, it's 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:55.800 gonna be that rugged drainage that you know, has big 0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:58.880 national forest on every side and it's just hard to 0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:03.720 get to. And that's where theo that those are typically 0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:06.600 the places that we're gonna be able to draw big bears. 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:11.440 And that's one reason the baiting in Arkansas when we 0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:14.200 talk about sometimes they're not there come season, is that 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.440 way we can only bait on that private land. And 0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:18.760 I think that's key because even though we find remote 0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:23.120 land that we can bait on privately on, it's not 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:26.240 as remote as maybe in the summer or before the 0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:28.840 acrons start falling, they're coming to that bait, but we 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:30.960 all know as soon as acren is falling, they're gone. 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:34.280 They're way back somewhere else in a more remote area. 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:37.040 I don't think the acrons really even have to fall 0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:40.840 off there's somewhat mature, and the trees are loaded. You 0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:43.800 know they're going to climb to the climbing trees. I 0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:46.360 bet fifty of the bears in the state of Arkansas 0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:48.440 right now don't have their feet on the ground right 0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:51.520 there in a tree right now evening. So that's what 0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:54.200 makes it harder sometimes to keep these bears. When we 0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:56.520 say on a bait, it's because it's not where. If 0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:58.920 we could put it wherever we wanted to, they'd probably be. 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:02.160 If we get in Idaho, you bait on National Forest 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.360 and and we could put a bait out right where 0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:07.760 they're gonna want to be and have a better chance. 0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:09.880 So we're limited and where we can bait them, so 0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:12.959 we have a hard time holding them once the natural 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:16.280 mask becomes available. And we'll talk about some tricks that 0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:19.800 we've all used to try to hold them. Okay, let's 0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:24.080 talk about so we've established like and it's it's kind 0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:26.280 of a no brainer. But for some people that are 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:29.640 just getting used to understanding bears, it's probably helpful to 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:32.080 hear us say the most remote place you can get. 0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.240 If we could boil it down to something that's simple. 0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:38.080 But okay, here's the next scenario. You got forty acres 0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:40.520 that you can bait, okay, and you drive into that 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:43.600 forty acres down on a low creek and there's one 0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:47.240 high knob on this place that's maybe connected to a 0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:52.640 string of mountains. Um, my philosophy is that on that 0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:56.040 forty acres, even where you put that bait is important, 0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.440 Like you can't choose anywhere outside that forty acres. But 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:05.720 I have always been of the persuasion that higher it's 0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:11.800 better than lower because of wind like more consistent winds. 0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.560 And any time I've tried to bait down low the 0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:18.920 evening time, thermals make it really hard. Have you guys 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:22.040 had different experience than that your baited and super high? 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:26.880 I agree with you Hucent to some degree, do you, well, 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:29.240 then you don't agree with the U I agree with you. 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.600 I do it probably a little different. And what and 0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:36.560 the reason I did is if we want to dive 0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:38.480 into that, like where you place your bait is my 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:42.480 most successful places I've learned. And I'm not talking to 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:45.160 hunt a bear. We're talking to kill the mature bear. 0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:47.640 Because you have to out smartest notes just what you're 0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:49.680 talking about, the thurtles and stuff. So the best way 0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:52.840 I found to do it in where we hunt, the 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.480 way the ridges and stuff lay out is I always 0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:57.560 and this forty acres may not have the perfect spot, 0:31:57.960 --> 0:31:59.760 but if I had the perfect spot, here's how it 0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:01.640 is for me. And the two that are most successful 0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:04.959 for me are not exactly identical. The one of our 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.680 farm you've been to is not exactly perfect, but it's close. 0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:09.960 The one that I killed this bear on is the 0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.360 best spot I've ever been on. So I get on 0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:15.120 the downhill side, not the bottom of the hill, but 0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:17.720 I like to be on a secondary point that comes 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:21.000 off a main ridge, a short secondary point thirty or 0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:23.680 forty yards. It just juts off and then it dives 0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:26.640 off right and it's got deep drains on both sides 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.200 of this secondary point. And then it's always on the 0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:33.480 north side of the mountain because we have south southwest 0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:39.560 early fall early fall. But also the bigger thing, like 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:43.200 you talked about, was the thermals. So I always set 0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:46.480 my baits up on the very end of this secondary 0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:48.400 and not I'm sorry, not my bait, my stand. I 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:50.320 put the bait up on this secondary point, but I 0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:52.880 set my stand on the slightly downhill side on the 0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:55.800 very end of the secondary point where it's steep. And 0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:57.720 I'm not saying the bears can't come in below or 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:01.040 behind you, but it didn't there or their path, they're 0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:04.320 most likely they're likely going to come down the main ridge, 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:05.880 go right around the head of the draw this way 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:07.680 or this way, come right onto this finger, and they're 0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:10.760 always on the south side of you. And as soon 0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:13.120 as the sun starts sitting behind the trees, the thermal 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.520 starts sucking your scent off that point down those two 0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:18.840 draws down in the valley below. And if that's why 0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:22.240 we hired him the brains man, So that's a good, 0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:26.480 really good description. Typically the and the way you would 0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:29.920 do that is because we're baiting on private property that's 0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.400 really close to national forest. I mean usually the fence 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:35.479 ain't far, you know, fifty sixty yards, but we're on 0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:39.080 private property. You're baiting here, you're the bears typically aren't 0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.440 gonna be behind you in that situation anyway, because your 0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:44.720 private properties down there, they're coming from this bigger block 0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:47.680 of national forest, right and so they're coming from that direction. 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:52.320 So you get your uh south wind, then you get 0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:54.440 your thermal shift and it sucks your sent off down 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:57.320 behind you, and I mean you rarely ever. I mean 0:33:57.320 --> 0:33:59.240 as long as your winds right and your thermals are good, 0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:04.120 you rarely ever gets winded. And that that's how I've 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:06.000 tried to set up all the two and in the 0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:08.520 one of our farming exactly like that. We are on 0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:11.360 the downhill that you've been to of a secondary point. 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:13.040 It's not as steep as I would want it, but 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:15.160 I don't have anywhere else to put it so because 0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:18.520 we've run out of private property. Right. The theme of 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:20.640 what you're saying is is that you need to think 0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:22.759 about where you're putting it back. You need to think 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:26.040 about I'm not down in the bottom bottom. I'm up high, 0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:27.400 but I'm not on the tip of the ridge. I 0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:29.960 get on the kind of the bottom into that secondary 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.319 point and have the thermal stuck my sin away and 0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:34.480 down the drains behind me, and try to keep the 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:37.759 bears above me right. And then also you can be 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:40.200 twenty of you know, twenty foot in a tree and 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:43.520 your baits over here at eighteen yards. Well it's up 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:47.080 a little bit anyway, so it's just it ain't straight. 0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.400 But I think it's worth saying that we're all hunting 0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:51.759 in the evenings. Yeah, and bow during that time of 0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:53.960 your tall bow. That's right, you know, if we've got 0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:57.600 to be close and we are primarily hunting in the 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.200 evening time, I mean, like almost nine even do you 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:02.719 all your hunts in the evening. I've called you on 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:06.000 open morning to bear season and you were drinking coffee. 0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:08.920 I mean, that's the way I have to open a 0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:11.560 day a bear season. I sleep in, we hunt him 0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.000 in evening, and we do that on purpose because these 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:17.319 big bears are feeding overnight. And if you try to 0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:19.439 slip it this this is a little bit off topic 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:20.839 from where to place a bait, but I wanna say, 0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:23.200 because it's not in my notes. People all the time 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:26.879 ask me, well, maybe we would get into wind hunt. 0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:31.320 If you're hunting a big bear, don't even risk hunting 0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:33.000 him in the morning. Now, you might kill him in 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:35.880 the morning, but there's a better chance that you're gonna 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:38.480 spook him off the bait, or you're gonna spook bears. 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:40.880 And so all the big bears we've killed have been 0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:44.040 in the evening time, and we choose not to hunt 0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:46.359 in the morning because those bears are in there all night. 0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:47.960 So if you're trying to slip in there with a 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:52.959 flashlight before daylight. They're still debate. There's still at debate. 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:54.880 May not be the one you want to kill, but 0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:57.719 there's a bear debate. You're gonna bump off there. It's 0:35:57.719 --> 0:35:59.879 gonna make a noise and racket and going in there 0:35:59.880 --> 0:36:03.400 and the dark, the flashlight the most unnatural thing you 0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:06.760 could do, right And and even if you don't bump 0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:10.040 the target bear, he that I'm pointing at a five 0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:14.080 pound bear amounted over here. He got that big because 0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:18.200 he took cues social cues from that bear is bedded 0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:21.080 a hundred and twenty yards away. He hears a bear 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:25.040 wolf and run off and you know he goes down 0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:28.480 when a check and he's like, yep, that fools into 0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:32.040 tree stand. You know, we're talking about mature bears. But 0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:36.680 certain people might just have access to flat ground, might 0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:41.560 just be a pine timber stand and there's no kind 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:45.319 of features and you know, only maybe we'll drive right 0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:47.719 to the side of the road and have to backpack 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:51.560 something in and not saying don't go try it, you know, 0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:53.960 I mean, if that's all you got, you gotta do, 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:58.200 but maybe understand the lay of the forest that's leading 0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:01.239 in to this property to give you an idea where 0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.600 you want to maybe put some bait and you know, 0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:10.200 hanger stand. But yeah, not everybody's gonna have prime. Yeah, 0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.640 And I'm just talking from experience on the property I hunt. 0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:15.440 If you put me on a flat forty acres, I 0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.000 probably wouldn't know where to put the ba that's where, 0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:20.840 And that's where these guys that like baite up in 0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:24.799 Michigan and different places, Like they're using terrain features of 0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:27.800 the swamp, like you know, they're backing up against a 0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:31.239 big swamp that you know, the bears aren't gonna come 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.200 from that direction. And so the point of hearing the 0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:37.279 Heath dissect how he sets up his bait sites is 0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:39.440 that you can do the same thing on your land 0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:41.960 for whatever it is, Like you just gotta think about it. 0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:44.279 You can't. You don't set a bear if you want 0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:46.479 to kill big bears, you don't set a bear bait 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:50.360 based upon ease of access for you. That's the biggest thing. 0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:53.919 Like when I've helped people, it's like, man, we gotta 0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:55.839 find a place I can drive the truck and it's easy. 0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:58.160 And now granted that's nice, and most of the places 0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:01.359 I can drive a truck where I go. But like 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:05.320 the point of it is not for you. The point 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:09.960 is where is that bear comfortable in the daytime? Because 0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:12.359 you're asking that bear to do a lot a big bear. 0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:15.040 You're asking him to come into a feeding area in 0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:18.959 the broad daylight, in a place that he knows there's 0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:21.880 a human involved. That's the thing that's so different about 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:25.880 this than deer hunting. A deer hunting situation, you know 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:30.040 that deer doesn't know there's a human around. Ultra ninja 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:32.239 stealth is what you're trying to do, especially if you're 0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:34.640 not hunting over feet or something. But with this bear, 0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:38.800 that big five pound bear knows there is a human involved. 0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.640 You can't really hide that, at least around here when 0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:45.200 it's so hot, and their nose is better than a 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:47.239 deer's nose, right, I mean, we've had this. This is 0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:49.279 a whole another story. But you know, I know you 0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:53.719 killed the big bear finally on the Red Knicks sent Typeline. 0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:55.960 You know, for a few years, we had that conversation 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:57.759 for years. I'm like, Clay, the best way to kill 0:38:57.840 --> 0:38:59.479 bears in a blind, But I'm not find a blind 0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.160 just to go bear hunt, because you gotta full their nose. 0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:05.200 So that's why I kind of did what I started 0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:06.880 doing on the end of them points and ridges, was 0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:09.320 just using the thermals as much as I could to 0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:11.520 try to help my sin. But yeah, I mean you 0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:14.759 gotta full their nose. And I mean these beards, I 0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:17.000 mean they sit out there and listen. You know, this 0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:20.240 bear here came up and just happened. I could see him, 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:23.520 you know, probably not thirty minutes but twenty minutes before dark, 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:27.320 and he just sat there like a dog just listen, 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:30.080 you know, sixties seven out there, way out there, yeah, 0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:32.520 a hundred yards probably a hundred and twenty. And then 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:34.279 it just had to be kind of an opening through 0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:36.200 the woods that I catched him, you know. And then 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:38.640 he'd get up and I'm like, oh, here it comes. 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:40.920 He'd take like two steps, he'd sit back down, listen 0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:46.399 and sniff around and listen, and you know, well, by 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.120 the time he came to a hundred yards is almost 0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:51.359 a dark I couldn't see him, right, Well, I saw that, 0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:53.040 But had I not seen that, I wouldn't have know. 0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:55.200 You know, you wouldn't know. And they're just they're different 0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:57.520 than a little two pounder that just comes walking in 0:39:57.560 --> 0:40:01.399 because he wants see a donut the whole there personality. 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:04.239 So and he may I mean, and you know, he 0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:06.839 may have been bedded just a hundred fifty yards all day. 0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:09.760 I don't know, but he could have been the whole time. 0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:14.719 That is my my persuasion on what they're doing when 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:19.279 they're pounding a bear bait, going far far meant. So 0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:23.920 last year we tracked a bear that we tracked a 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:29.239 bear that we didn't recover um and we we went 0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:31.680 off of this bear bait and hit a bear trail 0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:34.960 and this bear just went straight off the side of 0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:37.680 the mountain. And I mean it was like following a 0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.920 cattle trail and we're seeing this little specks of blood 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:43.120 and we pretty much knew this bear wasn't that hurt. 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:46.720 It was a it was a different hunter I was helping. 0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:51.720 And that bear went right to a place that looked 0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:56.000 like the bear holiday in Really it was down in 0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:59.840 a super steep draw paw paw patch with boulders and 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.480 is the nastiest place on the side of that mountain. 0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:05.120 And he had a spot war out on the ground, 0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:08.200 I mean as big as you know, we're I don't know, 0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:12.360 he spent a lot of time right there. It was 0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:14.839 his bedroom two and fifty yards from the bait side, 0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:18.640 and he just woke up, went to the bait, went 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:21.120 laid back down. He had no reason to go anywhere. 0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:23.640 So I mean, I'm sure this bear is doing the same. 0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:25.840 I didn't follow Australia, but he wasn't go on a 0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:28.600 couple hundred yards, you know. And that's why this is 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:32.520 another topic. But being consistent on later your question. On 0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:35.600 the opening day of season, they hear you when you 0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:37.479 go bait them bat, I mean when you go bat 0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:40.680 and stuff, and so if you're at a routine, they 0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:42.319 can figure that out, you know, and it may just 0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:44.560 cause them to come in thirty minutes later because they're 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.359 being extra cautious or something, you know. So I mean 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:50.600 I might when I go bait. Well, let's talk about 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:54.319 that baiting routine. That's a great that's a key key 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:57.560 point for killing big bears. Go ahead, Well, most debates 0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:00.520 I set up are steeping rugged my two most cessed ones. 0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:03.000 But I do have them set up because let me 0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:05.719 kind of back up a little bit. The population has 0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:09.000 gotten so large where we hunt most people I don't 0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:11.320 think would believe us. But the last time I truly 0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:14.440 baited hard. I had forty different bears hitting three bait sets. 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:17.719 So the sheer volume of bait. We have to put 0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:22.239 out two feed forty bears for two weeks or thirty 0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:24.880 days or whatever you decide to bait to try to 0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:27.799 have one there come opening day. You can't carry all 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:31.399 that in. So I can't drive a truck to any well, 0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:33.040 I can't drive a truck to anyone, but I can 0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:35.640 drive a side by sat so and they get used 0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:37.040 to that. You know, you go in there, you drive 0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:39.640 the subpside. At my bait sets, I put two fifty 0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:42.399 five gallon barrels of bait plumbfoil. You're stacking it on top. 0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.000 And I'm not saying every year is exactly like that, 0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:48.279 But on a good baiting year, they're eating all that 0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:50.799 in a couple of days. And you're saying good baiting year, 0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:56.279 you mean not much mass baits really hard to absolutely 0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:58.440 when there's a lot of activity at a bait you 0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:00.560 know some years is gonna be less for the very reason. 0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:02.759 But when you do hit it perfect and all the 0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:05.279 bears are hitting your bait, man that year, I was 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:08.360 filling up that much bait every other day or it 0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:10.640 was bones dry empty, not because I wanted to, It 0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:12.160 was we had to put out that much bait to 0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:15.719 keep bears coming. So I drive the sube beside and 0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:18.160 there you beat and bang around you. I use metal 0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:19.960 barrels just because I can chain them to the tree, 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:23.080 and they got the lid on bolt the ring down, 0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:27.520 so they don't you know, right, And I'm not saying 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:30.880 it's the best. That's just what I do. But I'm 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:32.920 gonna do that on opening day. I'm not gonna have 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:35.160 Opening Day be a day I miss right. I'm gonna 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:39.560 get up, I'm wanna drink coffee whatever. At mid day, 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:42.319 I'm gonna go check the but cameras to see if 0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:45.880 my bears still coming. Was he there last night before dark? 0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:49.160 I'm gonna refresh debait and make noise, just through my 0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:51.640 normal routine, because just like we said, he's probably laying 0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:54.040 out there if you're still there and hadn't left for 0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:56.920 the mask crot yet, he's not far. I guarantee he 0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:59.440 can hear that a TV. And you're banging on that 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:01.799 barrel when you are making putting that bait you're at. 0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:03.319 So I don't really try to be quiet when I'm 0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:05.440 putting that bait, don't I mean, I don't may not 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:07.560 trying to hide your sin. I don't try to maybe 0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:09.719 make too much extra noise. But I bang around and 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:11.640 do my stuff and clink the barrel and hit it 0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:14.560 with a stick sometimes. And I got a funny story 0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:19.000 about that in canadaate. Uh So that's what I do. 0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:21.399 Then we leave and then just try to slip in there, 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:24.200 you know, a couple of hours before dark or whatever 0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:26.280 time we want to go in that day. Then where's 0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:28.600 stealth about getting in there at that time? You know? 0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:30.600 But the middlen't want them to know. But the middle 0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:33.080 of the day, I want him to thank just another day. Man, 0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:35.360 he's come beating and banging. Barrels are full of donuts. 0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:37.600 I'm gonna go eat tonight. You have a lot of 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:41.360 your mature bears come in that evening the day you 0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:48.200 Bathe see that's let me uh so, let me go 0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:51.080 back to baiting routine and then then we can jump 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:56.040 right into the day. But I think when you're baiting 0:44:56.080 --> 0:44:59.560 a bear, so you're you're trying to create this safe 0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:03.319 zone where this bear feels comfortable coming into your bait. 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:07.360 And so the more consistent you can be the better, 0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:11.040 like even in terms of timing, because what people run 0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:13.799 into is that they have jobs and they can't bait 0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:18.040 until like evening time. Um, you know, And I'm just 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:21.600 gonna describe best case scenario, and people can craft this 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:23.920 to fit their life. But I think this is pretty 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:28.520 best case scenario type stuff. Is that I only bait 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:33.160 my really good spots between about eleven and two during 0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:36.520 the day. And I would rather miss a day of 0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:39.719 baiting than to go in there at seven o'clock in 0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:44.480 the evening and blow that bear out. I won't do it. Yeah. 0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:48.120 So so it's like the more the more it's the 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:52.000 more predictable that you are, the more predictable your big 0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:55.239 bears you're going to be there because if you if 0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:57.640 he's in there strutting around at six thirty in the 0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:00.080 afternoon thinking about what a great life he has and 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:03.600 all this bait, and for the last ten days you've 0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:05.560 only been in there at mid day, and he's like, man, 0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:08.359 that guy coming back to the bar, and then you 0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:11.800 roll up on the side by side day after tomorrow. Yeah, 0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:14.959 you roll up and blow him out of there. Man, 0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:19.000 you've spooked that now the tuner pound bear, that he's 0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:21.359 gonna sit out there and watch. He doesn't care. That 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:23.480 guy right there pointing to the big bear over there, 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:29.480 he cares. He's probably consistency. He's either going nocturnal or 0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:32.120 he's not coming back that time here. Now, you might 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:35.200 get away with that thirty days before season. Yeah, But 0:46:35.239 --> 0:46:36.800 the closer we get the season and you get a 0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:40.160 photo period coming into play, another stuff, he's gone. They 0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:42.280 get touch here. That's a great point. They get touchy 0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:46.400 at least here. Man. Like, right now, you could and 0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:48.799 we could legally bait bears right now in Arkansas because 0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:51.839 we're under thirty days out. You could go out right 0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:55.440 now and make bear baiting look easy. That's right. You 0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:58.440 can put out acrons aren't falling it. Yeah, I mean, 0:46:58.480 --> 0:47:01.560 bears would just speak two weeks earlier and coming in 0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:05.040 the daytime. And then the closer you get to that 0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:08.120 end of September, more mass becomes available. These bears have 0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:11.080 this in eight draw to want to get back into 0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:15.600 their natural fall ranges. And boy, you mess up just 0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:18.759 a little bit. You can screw the thing up with 0:47:18.840 --> 0:47:23.160 the big bears. Absolutely, But so the timing stuff or 0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:27.560 the consistency stuff, that's kind of my best ideas on 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:29.400 it is just be as consistent as possible. And if 0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:31.440 you can only bait in the evening times, if you 0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:33.239 work and you can only do it, just do it 0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:36.839 the same every time, just don't you know, I mean, 0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:39.879 just be consistent with whatever you do. You don't want 0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:43.520 to surprise that bear. But that's my thoughts on it. 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:46.960 The last couple hours of daylight is their time, and 0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:49.160 the last thing you want to do is have him 0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:52.399 nervous or on his toes, you know, trying to win 0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:56.200 constantly or yeah you don't. You don't want to ruin 0:47:56.280 --> 0:48:00.160 that that time in the evening. Well we're it a 0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:02.239 little bit out of order, but that's fine. Let's talk 0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:05.120 about Heath brought up like the day of the hunt, 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:08.919 what do you and that was great. So you're gonna 0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:12.480 go in and bait like normal, check cameras, bait, do 0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:17.120 the normal stuff, because yeah, I just think being consistent 0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:18.680 like that, because like I said on those I'm not 0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:20.919 bating every day, I'm bating the least every other day, 0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:23.799 you know. But and I usually try to time it 0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:25.719 out where I don't bait the day before and I 0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:28.120 do bait the day of season. So it's stays routine. 0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:31.600 We're not saying that every year just depends on work 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:34.640 and stuff too, but um, yeah, I just think being 0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:38.399 routine like that it's just key. Yeah. What about you, Ryan? 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:43.720 What do you do? I usually bait the day before 0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:47.880 season rules in bait real heavy, uh for me and 0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:52.960 where I'm hunting. It seems like the mature bears don't 0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:55.360 want to come in as early. I mean some years 0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:59.200 they do, but I've always done the day before season 0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:04.080 bait real heavy the day of which you know, we 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:07.600 probably all got cell cameras out nowadays and not me. 0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:11.920 I'm a traditionalist. Yeah, I don't I understand, but you 0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:19.160 know I usually go in here. What I said, I 0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:20.759 just threw you under the bus. I said. You probably 0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:24.120 use a crossbowt too, don't you know. I ain't that 0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:30.440 old yet, but now usually, you know, slip in mid 0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:35.920 day and I maybe a little stealthier than other people. 0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:38.919 I will usually try to find a water puddle or 0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:42.600 if not, I'll grind my boots even though what I 0:49:42.640 --> 0:49:45.080 think they're clean. I will grind them in a cedar 0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:48.120 limb or a pine limb, just a little natural cover 0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:51.799 scent when I'm walking in which I have bears that 0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:55.080 will come down my baiting path to the bait, you know, 0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:58.760 depending on which way the wind is. But I won't 0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:03.479 touch any saplings, won't touch any foliage. My hands don't 0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:07.440 touch anything but what I'm carrying. And I will ease 0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:12.160 up at tree, just climb tree, stand without your hands. No, no, 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:16.719 I just feed only, feed only. But you know, elevator 0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:21.000 No like a like a punch of button. And I 0:50:21.040 --> 0:50:24.560 wish I don't own one of them rednext stands like 0:50:24.600 --> 0:50:27.960 you like those rich guys. But now I slip in 0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:32.000 just as quiet as a mouse, and you go ninja 0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:34.680 on him on it. I do don't always work, but 0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:37.799 that's just, you know, makes me feel better about time. 0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:43.040 So what I have a trend I've seen Heath with 0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:45.920 my bears is that I feel like the big bears, 0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:49.200 like he's saying, we'll hit it hard. As the day 0:50:49.239 --> 0:50:52.160 after I bait. I find a lot of times the 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:55.440 big ones on the day I'm there are more nervous 0:50:55.480 --> 0:50:59.440 to come in. But the second day it's like plenty 0:50:59.440 --> 0:51:02.120 of bait because they probably came in that night and 0:51:02.160 --> 0:51:04.880 they know the barrels are full. So the next day 0:51:05.000 --> 0:51:08.680 they're hammering it, you know, and so I usually I 0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:13.320 usually like debait the day before full throttle, just make noise, 0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:16.200 leave scent, and then slip in like a ninjut about 0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:19.400 two o'clock, you know. And I usually that's why I 0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:22.600 usually do like shooting light around that time of year. 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:24.480 I don't know, it seems like it's getting dark about seven, 0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:28.759 seven fifteen, and so I'll try to get in way 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:31.880 before peak movement. You know. It seems like I always 0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:34.000 end up trying to get in there about two, well, 0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:37.319 about three o'clock, and said, the last four hours, and 0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:39.880 you know, the last hour is really when you're gonna 0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:42.839 kill one. But you don't want to get in there 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:47.160 too late or you'll bump bears. Uh, quick question, do 0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:51.600 y'all ever like have these rogue bears that just sometimes 0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:56.839 they'll roll in at noon or one o'clock and big ones, Yeah, 0:51:57.000 --> 0:52:01.000 big whoppers. You know, the booner I killed in two 0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:05.000 thousand fifteen, two thousand sixteen, I never hardly got any 0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:09.920 nighttime pictures of that bear. Daylight every hour of the 0:52:10.040 --> 0:52:14.600 day he was guarding that bait site. I studied my 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:18.719 pictures for a long time, and from one o'clock to 0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:22.320 two o'clock I never hardly get any pictures of him, 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:25.920 So I thought that opening day, I'm sneaking in right 0:52:26.000 --> 0:52:27.920 at one o'clock and I want to ease in there 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:32.000 without bumping him off. He come in as I was 0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:36.520 walking into the bait. Yeah, so I remember that you 0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:39.600 shot him off the ground. Yeah. I was able to 0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:42.480 took my boots off and socked feet and snuck up 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:46.640 there with the like nine yards and got airly in. Yeah. Yeah, 0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:50.719 but you know everything that's unusual though, I'd say that's 0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:53.759 highly unusual for a bit, especially at Boon. Every three 0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:56.640 or four years, I always have this one mature bear 0:52:56.719 --> 0:53:00.279 that just does something opposite of what it know what 0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:03.920 that is really what we're trying to capitalize on. It's like, 0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:08.760 you can bait for ten years. In three of those years, 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:12.480 you're gonna have a bear that just really cooperates. Yeah, 0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:15.239 there rest time. It's just they're all like humans. They 0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:17.319 all have their own personality and the way they want 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:20.719 to do things. You know, they're all different and they 0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:22.600 all and I think a lot of it depends on 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:25.600 what people may not think about, is their previous experience 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:29.320 at a baits that somewhere else exactly now our baits 0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:32.120 that probably if he's that old, that bear was nine, 0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:35.120 but on that bear was way older. They've been debates 0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:38.040 that somewhere before. You know, how many human encounters have 0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:40.200 they had on bait? Have they been shot at before 0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:42.520 and missed or run off to or three times with 0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:45.400 a n a TV or you know who knows? So 0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:48.520 in their mind, we don't know what they're thinking because 0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:50.680 we don't have a clue what first off, how old 0:53:50.719 --> 0:53:52.520 they even are, and how many years of experience they've 0:53:52.560 --> 0:53:55.400 had at somebody else's bait who don't know maybe what 0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:57.840 they're doing or is not as careful or whatever. You know, 0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:02.600 I mean, you just don't know. Yeah, Well, what we 0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:07.720 do know is that they they program, they understand your patterns, 0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:10.439 probably better than you understand your own. Well, that's why 0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:13.600 I talked about the consistency. Yeah, baiting on time, making 0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:15.799 the noise, and it makes them comfortable slide you know, 0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:18.279 I mean, yeah, absolutely, I agree. I mean I killed 0:54:18.280 --> 0:54:22.560 a bear and alberta one year. One day we weren't 0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:25.239 seeing anything, and uh, I climbed out of the tree 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:26.640 and got a stick and banged on the barrel and 0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:28.759 climb back and standing before I got to stand bear 0:54:28.880 --> 0:54:30.640 come walking in. You know, there wasn't no bait in it, 0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:32.560 but I banged on the barrel with the stick, and 0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:34.880 they were conditioned to that noise that somebody'd been there 0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:37.799 to bait. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, I'm about to go 0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:41.000 bang on the sparrel. I'm talking not seeing nothing. Yeah, 0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:42.600 And it worked then it wouldn't you know. I'm not 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:45.400 saying it's gonna work every time you do that. Yeah, 0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:48.280 that's pretty cool. You know, everybody's bears are gonna respond 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:50.880 different tube based upon where they're at. I mean, like 0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:55.319 those Canadian bears are like, especially the willerscious right, they're 0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:58.960 no's cautious. These bears down here are gonna be pretty cautious. 0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:04.760 A lot of places in the US where people are baiting, Maine, Michigan, Idaho. 0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:07.560 I mean you almost had to hunt these bear like deer, 0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:11.240 you know. But when Canada, boy, you can just about 0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:13.680 anything goes and if you're hunting younger. But you know, 0:55:13.760 --> 0:55:16.040 I remember one time we called in a bear in 0:55:16.200 --> 0:55:19.080 Arkansas by called in. I got my air quotes up here, 0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:23.200 Me and a buddy, we're hunting, uh Lee Walt, my buddy, 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:26.600 Lee Walt. We're hunting, and we hunted the morning that 0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:30.040 years when I first he just could only hunt one 0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:32.200 day or something. We hunt. We did hunt the morning. 0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:34.360 He just wanted a bear and we didn't have a 0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:36.480 big bear at this bait. We just had average bears. 0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:38.279 We went in there in the morning, it's out there 0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:39.719 for an hour and a half, didn't see any bears, 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:42.279 and I said, stay here. I climbed out of the tree, 0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:44.480 went and got the truck, drove the truck in there, 0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:47.960 slammed the door, drove the truck back out, walked back in, 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:51.080 and in twenty minutes eat shot a bear. Bear came in. 0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:54.000 I mean, he thought, you know, it's your routine. He thought, 0:55:54.040 --> 0:55:56.000 you just made it the barrel just like hogs on 0:55:56.080 --> 0:55:58.680 a feeder. You know, when it spins here they come. 0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:01.200 So that wouldn't have worked on five pound bears though 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:04.040 it wouldn't have worked at all. Hey, this is this 0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:06.640 is all good stuff. Let's march down our list. So 0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:10.600 how far in advance you gutts start feeding bears. Some 0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:13.680 states have regulations that you can only you know, you'll 0:56:13.719 --> 0:56:15.560 need to check your rags on the states like here 0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:18.279 in Arkansas can bait thirty days before season in Oklahoma. 0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:23.719 There's no regulation on season. In Idaho. I believe some 0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:25.560 of those places out there you can only bait like 0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:31.040 seven days before season. But what's your thoughts a new bait? 0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:35.600 Probably as soon as possible. Okay, we'll see check inventory 0:56:36.080 --> 0:56:39.239 established baits. It's been there for years and years. You know, 0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:44.480 bears are already there. You know, two weeks, three weeks, 0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:51.600 that's should be ample, because it seems like like the 0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:54.160 rational thought would be, well, I'm gonna bait him as 0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:57.040 long as possible. If if you can start baiting in June, 0:56:57.040 --> 0:57:00.680 I'm gonna start baiting in June. But there's a law 0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:03.279 of limited return, you know on a deal like this, 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:07.359 Like there's a sweet spot because I found y'all tell 0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:11.000 me if you've we've all had these conversations together over 0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:13.680 the years, but it's all kind of blurred together. I 0:57:13.800 --> 0:57:16.240 feel like it's hard to keep a single big bear 0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:19.480 for much more than about ten to fourteen days. I've 0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:22.520 never had a five hundred pound bear that just stayed 0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:26.120 on my bait for thirty straight days. They'll burn out, 0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:27.680 just like you. I mean, you don't want to eat 0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:31.480 steak every single that of the week. I mean, you 0:57:31.520 --> 0:57:34.360 know most people don't, you know, I mean, you can 0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:38.440 only eat Chinese buffet so many nights, weak, right, I mean, 0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:40.680 whatever it is, So yeah, I agree, I think they 0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:43.120 do get burnt out. I think there's a little more 0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:47.160 technical set of that question. For me. Is is based 0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:49.320 on wind, season is and when the mask falls. To me, 0:57:49.560 --> 0:57:51.640 you have to start baiting long enough in advance to 0:57:51.680 --> 0:57:53.880 get the bears on there before the mast falls first 0:57:54.280 --> 0:57:57.440 rat So then if the mast is falling or where 0:57:57.480 --> 0:57:59.600 we are acorns when I say mass, that's our mask, 0:57:59.760 --> 0:58:03.040 you know. But if I don't get him there before, 0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:05.640 then I'm probably not getting him there right. So you know, 0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:09.040 we've had seasons varying and opening dates throughout history. So 0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:12.520 my process that's kind of changed based on that. So 0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:16.360 now the way the season structure is, I would probably 0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:21.640 try to bait a little longer than previously, just because 0:58:21.680 --> 0:58:24.080 I know I gotta I gotta get them there before 0:58:24.080 --> 0:58:26.360 they can fall, and then I got to try to 0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:28.720 hold them all the way to season. Right. If not, 0:58:29.000 --> 0:58:31.480 if the season was a little earlier and I knew 0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:33.000 I only had some I mean I knew I had 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:35.120 then X amount of days before season, I would do 0:58:35.200 --> 0:58:37.080 it as short, you know, two weeks. Really, like he said, 0:58:37.160 --> 0:58:40.240 established baits if they can ain't falling, you know, a 0:58:40.360 --> 0:58:43.480 couple of weeks. I mean, really, thirty days is just 0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:45.960 too much time. You had a scenario one year. I 0:58:46.080 --> 0:58:48.560 remember when we were both trying to do these shorter 0:58:48.720 --> 0:58:52.320 baits when you didn't have bears, so you we you 0:58:52.440 --> 0:58:54.800 kind of got burned. But I remember that year because 0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:56.360 we were talking about it. We're like, man, we're just 0:58:56.400 --> 0:58:58.720 gonna bait ten days now. I don't think I ever 0:58:58.800 --> 0:59:01.800 had a bear command, and so the bears that already 0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:05.920 they may have heath, they may have even moved off 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:09.720 to other baits. True, somebody started bating before you, or 0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:13.040 you know, even an established bait. That may be because 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:16.120 of season changed the year or two before. We had 0:59:16.160 --> 0:59:19.200 started bating at x date. And then now we're well, 0:59:19.240 --> 0:59:21.280 I'm only ten days before season, but the season was 0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:26.040 two weeks later. You're saying, we've season that roll two 0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:29.880 week period. So the bears may have came by before 0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:32.480 we started baiting. They're nothing here. I'm going down to 0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:37.720 the southern bait, right. So I think it depends. Actually 0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:39.560 answered your question, I don't want to have to bait 0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:41.920 any bear thirty days because with the volume bears we have, 0:59:42.120 --> 0:59:44.560 they just take too much bait to keep them there. 0:59:45.280 --> 0:59:48.960 Here's the answer, the least amount of time you can, Yeah, exactly, 0:59:49.160 --> 0:59:50.680 but I mean you don't. But you have to do 0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:52.480 it early enough to get your bears on your bats right. 0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:55.520 So that's the key at all. We're all working inside 0:59:55.560 --> 0:59:57.520 of a real world where none of us just have 0:59:58.440 --> 1:00:01.000 it's not our full time job debate bears. So it's 1:00:01.080 --> 1:00:03.800 like you have a limited amount of bait. There's only 1:00:03.920 --> 1:00:06.080 so much bait you've got, there's only so much time 1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:08.520 you've got. There's only you know. So it's like finding 1:00:08.560 --> 1:00:11.960 that sweet spot in some of the places Ryan's got. 1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:14.120 I think he could probably go in five days before 1:00:14.160 --> 1:00:17.120 season and put out a bait better spots and staying 1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:19.440 baits that have been a state of sever many years. Absolutely, 1:00:19.440 --> 1:00:21.400 as long as the akrons aren't following. I think a 1:00:21.520 --> 1:00:23.840 lot of guys, especially some of these guys that's just 1:00:23.920 --> 1:00:28.080 getting into it, they want to look at pictures and 1:00:28.240 --> 1:00:31.360 the baiting process that's part of the fun, that's part 1:00:31.400 --> 1:00:34.360 of it, and they want to see bear pictures as 1:00:34.400 --> 1:00:38.080 soon as possible. And you can't and you know that yeah, 1:00:38.200 --> 1:00:41.640 I mean everybody wants to do that. Yeah, but you know, 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:44.520 if if it's somewhere you know there's gonna be bears, 1:00:44.800 --> 1:00:47.360 and say you've already been in there and done your 1:00:47.400 --> 1:00:50.480 tree standing work, trimmed out some lanes or something. You're 1:00:50.520 --> 1:00:55.400 already seeing padded doubt trails and stuff, so you know 1:00:55.480 --> 1:00:57.480 there's to me, there's no reason to go ahead and 1:00:58.320 --> 1:01:03.800 start baiting thirty days, four seasons. But if a guy 1:01:03.840 --> 1:01:05.880 who just wants to kill a bear, then by all 1:01:05.960 --> 1:01:09.400 means do it. But when we're talking about four five sick, 1:01:09.480 --> 1:01:13.280 hundred pound bears, here's the here's the best case scenario. 1:01:13.640 --> 1:01:15.440 If I go to some one of my baits and 1:01:15.520 --> 1:01:19.960 I put out a bait on August twenty nine and 1:01:20.120 --> 1:01:23.560 I see my target bear show up there the day 1:01:23.640 --> 1:01:25.800 I put out bait, I kind of cringe a little bit. 1:01:25.880 --> 1:01:27.560 I'm not gonna be there, and I'm just like, what 1:01:27.720 --> 1:01:29.480 are the chances I want to hold him for a month. 1:01:29.920 --> 1:01:33.240 Best case scenario, and this has happened many times, is 1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:37.000 my target bear shows up about a week before season, 1:01:37.520 --> 1:01:40.800 after I've been baiting for about ten days or two weeks, 1:01:41.440 --> 1:01:43.919 and I'm like, okay, I told him for a week. 1:01:44.440 --> 1:01:48.480 You know that's ideal. Um, So I had got even 1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:52.840 more ideal is two or three days before. This was 1:01:52.880 --> 1:01:54.800 a long story. Back when I very first started, I 1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:57.600 shot and didn't recover a big bear several years ago, 1:01:57.720 --> 1:01:59.640 one the only times I've ever had this happen, and 1:02:00.400 --> 1:02:02.400 he showed up. And I can go through pictures and 1:02:02.440 --> 1:02:05.120 show you this too, but at least for me, I 1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:06.600 don't know what you guess. See, but if a big 1:02:06.680 --> 1:02:09.560 bear comes to my bait whenever the first time he 1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:12.120 comes to the bait that year, I guarantee you he'll 1:02:12.120 --> 1:02:15.080 be there in daylight the next day. Every time I 1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:17.600 had the big bear I shot show up. We'd baited 1:02:17.640 --> 1:02:19.560 a couple of weeks and there wasn't really any big 1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:22.000 bears that you're kind of odd. A big bear showed 1:02:22.080 --> 1:02:25.080 up the night before season and he and the only 1:02:25.120 --> 1:02:27.480 reason I knew that was I went in the first 1:02:27.560 --> 1:02:31.160 day season when ahead and baited midday, checked cameras, pulled 1:02:31.200 --> 1:02:33.520 the card on my Holy cal there's a big bear. 1:02:33.600 --> 1:02:35.360 He came in right after dark. I don't ever may 1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:36.640 have been the middle of the night, but he came 1:02:36.680 --> 1:02:38.920 in that night first time and been there. And I'm like, 1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:40.840 that bear be here in daylight today, I guarantee you. 1:02:40.920 --> 1:02:44.800 So we were planning on hunting somewhere else. Totally switched 1:02:44.840 --> 1:02:47.280 a game plan and I did shoot the bear, but 1:02:47.360 --> 1:02:49.320 it was back when I was I was twenty five 1:02:49.360 --> 1:02:51.200 feet in the tree and he was right here, and 1:02:51.280 --> 1:02:54.760 I I hed. Yeah, I wasn't a fatal shot. It 1:02:54.800 --> 1:02:56.960 was a rookie mistake. Young bear hunter still kind of 1:02:57.040 --> 1:03:00.560 learned what to do, you know. And so I he 1:03:00.680 --> 1:03:02.200 was a big He wasn't five hundred, but he was 1:03:02.240 --> 1:03:05.960 probably four d he was. Yeah, I remember he was 1:03:06.000 --> 1:03:08.720 a big bear. So I see that too. So you're right. 1:03:08.800 --> 1:03:10.439 I mean, if you could time it out to where 1:03:10.520 --> 1:03:12.560 season stars just two or three days after them big 1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:14.920 bears get there, I think your chance of killing them. 1:03:16.120 --> 1:03:20.240 That's happened. That seems to happen pretty regularly. Uh, A 1:03:20.280 --> 1:03:23.640 big bear they killed in Oklahoma the first year. That 1:03:23.720 --> 1:03:25.960 was the first year I hunted over there. But uh, 1:03:26.160 --> 1:03:28.360 I called it a no name bear because he showed 1:03:28.440 --> 1:03:30.760 up the day before season. I didn't have a name 1:03:30.800 --> 1:03:32.840 for him. I had, you know, all these other bears 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:35.560 that I knew, and they were big bears, and uh, 1:03:36.680 --> 1:03:39.160 he was. He came in the Opening Day like nothing. 1:03:39.520 --> 1:03:42.800 You know, I've also had an Opening day bear bite me, 1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:48.200 not literally, but two years ago, No, last year, when 1:03:48.200 --> 1:03:50.080 I was hunting with the river at the mule bait, 1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:53.240 which is a remote bait we used our mules to access. 1:03:53.960 --> 1:03:58.120 We showed up Opening day and that morning at ten o'clock. 1:03:58.240 --> 1:04:02.600 Were there at like one o'clock. We've wrote our mules 1:04:02.640 --> 1:04:05.280 in there and I checked the card and there is 1:04:05.360 --> 1:04:09.480 a monster that showed up that morning at ten o'clock 1:04:10.240 --> 1:04:12.720 and stayed at debait. And I told driver, I said 1:04:12.920 --> 1:04:16.040 that bear will be here. I mean he's he's within 1:04:16.080 --> 1:04:19.200 two or fifty yards. I was right now. The problem 1:04:19.400 --> 1:04:21.760 was is that it was his first time to debate, 1:04:21.880 --> 1:04:24.240 and we hadn't been there in two or three days. 1:04:24.920 --> 1:04:27.400 So he came into that bait and never smelled a human, 1:04:28.680 --> 1:04:31.120 and he came in. We watched him. I saw him. 1:04:31.520 --> 1:04:35.880 He came in at like three thirty and got forty 1:04:35.920 --> 1:04:38.720 yards down the wind of us, smelled us, and never 1:04:39.000 --> 1:04:42.840 came back to the bait again. Now, if he had 1:04:42.920 --> 1:04:47.480 been there and three hours after we had baited three 1:04:47.600 --> 1:04:50.160 days before and he had been like, huh, there's a 1:04:50.240 --> 1:04:53.960 human over here, but look at this good food. Do 1:04:54.200 --> 1:04:56.640 you see the scenario. I mean, like he it was 1:04:56.760 --> 1:04:59.840 a perfect timing for him to nail us out of 1:04:59.880 --> 1:05:03.160 your control or to that. But so you you you 1:05:03.400 --> 1:05:06.360 want them. These big bears have to know. And in 1:05:06.480 --> 1:05:10.680 that particular spot that was so remote, those bears acted 1:05:10.920 --> 1:05:14.800 like Canadian bears almost a big bear that river shot 1:05:14.840 --> 1:05:18.760 and didn't recover, smelled us, looked at us in the 1:05:18.840 --> 1:05:21.640 tree and just shrud it in like nothing. He just 1:05:21.760 --> 1:05:25.439 kind of cautiously came in down wind that color phase 1:05:25.560 --> 1:05:29.959 bear like anyway. That wasn't normal either. He usually would 1:05:30.000 --> 1:05:33.320 have winded us and left. He winded us. It was 1:05:33.400 --> 1:05:38.000 just kind of like very up in the tree. But anyway, 1:05:38.760 --> 1:05:40.920 pretty wild. That's odd though. You're not gonna have that 1:05:40.960 --> 1:05:43.400 happened very often. That's odd. And you kick yourself because 1:05:43.440 --> 1:05:45.280 you're like, man, we should have done something different, but 1:05:45.400 --> 1:05:50.280 you don't know. I mean, I just don't happen very often, right, Okay, man, 1:05:50.320 --> 1:05:52.320 this is a great discussion. Okay, let's talk about what 1:05:52.480 --> 1:05:56.000 type of bait, what type of bait, what do you 1:05:56.040 --> 1:05:58.280 put out? Whatever you can come up with. I will 1:05:58.320 --> 1:06:01.880 say in the fall, you're probably gonna try to do 1:06:02.040 --> 1:06:04.840 more carbo hydrates. Than anything. That's what they're geared forward 1:06:04.880 --> 1:06:09.520 and the falls to put on. You still use beavers 1:06:09.640 --> 1:06:13.640 quite a bit here, not as much. I tell you what. 1:06:14.280 --> 1:06:16.160 When the bait's hot and heavy, you got lots of 1:06:16.200 --> 1:06:21.480 bears coming in, they will just carpet bomb up beaver carcass. 1:06:22.360 --> 1:06:24.880 But if there's not a lot of bears and that 1:06:24.960 --> 1:06:28.439 thing starts doing rancid it, they don't like it. It's 1:06:28.640 --> 1:06:31.520 vice versas in Canada. I mean them guys will use 1:06:31.680 --> 1:06:33.960 rancid meat up bear and the bears are just distroy 1:06:34.080 --> 1:06:38.760 feast on it down here. Once you get some stink 1:06:38.840 --> 1:06:41.800 to it and maggots and you just got a big mess. 1:06:41.960 --> 1:06:46.080 Yeah yeah. But on the years where there's not a 1:06:46.160 --> 1:06:50.640 lot of masks and they're hammering your baits, if you 1:06:50.800 --> 1:06:55.200 got a beaver carcass, man, it's icing on the cake. Yeah, 1:06:55.800 --> 1:06:58.560 I see, I would have u Now, I've never I've 1:06:58.640 --> 1:07:00.560 never put a beaver out in Arkhams so, but I've 1:07:00.680 --> 1:07:03.840 heard of guys doing it and bears not hitting it here. 1:07:04.000 --> 1:07:06.480 Now in Canada they'll go crazy. But okay, walk me 1:07:06.600 --> 1:07:08.800 through what you put on your bait. Just just list 1:07:08.880 --> 1:07:14.840 out the stuff. Uh, pastries, mostly pastries, Just like doughnuts. 1:07:14.880 --> 1:07:20.600 You're getting donut bread, bread that you're this, you know, 1:07:20.760 --> 1:07:26.560 bread from a thrift store or something, white bread, wheat bread, bagels, 1:07:28.080 --> 1:07:31.160 peter bread. Like people ask these kind of questions. We 1:07:31.440 --> 1:07:33.720 we know because we've filtered through it all for other 1:07:33.800 --> 1:07:38.040 of you. But any of that stuff they'll eat. Yeah, 1:07:38.360 --> 1:07:41.960 I'm not trying to interest you know, corn dog food 1:07:42.040 --> 1:07:44.360 whatever a ga. Okay, now you're the one that taught 1:07:44.400 --> 1:07:48.200 me about a corn barrel. So Ryan will have probably 1:07:48.320 --> 1:07:52.000 two metal barrels, and we'll go ahead and say all 1:07:52.080 --> 1:07:54.680 of us are using metal barrels. I'm cutting the eight 1:07:54.760 --> 1:08:00.600 inch hole above the lowest ring, trying get a barrel 1:08:00.680 --> 1:08:02.560 that's got a top, like he said that you can 1:08:02.640 --> 1:08:06.360 screw together and you were just chaining that to a tree. 1:08:06.600 --> 1:08:08.840 Or you can put eyebolts off the back of this 1:08:09.000 --> 1:08:11.640 barrel and chain it to a tree. That's there's no 1:08:11.960 --> 1:08:14.480 secret to that. Some places you can't use metal barrels. 1:08:14.480 --> 1:08:17.479 You gotta use stumps and stuff like a natural or 1:08:17.680 --> 1:08:20.679 like a natural so you know, check your regulations. Most 1:08:20.720 --> 1:08:23.160 places you can use metal barrels. Plastic barrel is just 1:08:23.320 --> 1:08:26.600 the same, but plastic barrels usually the lid is not 1:08:26.760 --> 1:08:29.880 as good as usually so, or they don't have a 1:08:29.960 --> 1:08:33.320 removable lid. Anyway, we're all using metal barrels. Just cut 1:08:33.439 --> 1:08:35.479 use the saws off and just cut about eight inch 1:08:35.560 --> 1:08:40.519 hole down towards the bottom. But ryan, Um, We'll take 1:08:40.520 --> 1:08:44.559 a fifty five gallon drum, a two inch circular metal saw, 1:08:46.080 --> 1:08:49.640 put two inch holes maybe seven or eight around the 1:08:49.800 --> 1:08:54.840 base of that barrel, eyebolt coming off the back of 1:08:55.000 --> 1:08:58.000 the with some big washers and an eyebolt, chain it 1:08:58.040 --> 1:09:00.200 to a tree. Fill it with three pound as a 1:09:00.280 --> 1:09:03.680 corn and pour about two gallons of grease with Northwood's 1:09:03.720 --> 1:09:06.840 gold rush in it, and you have a a corn 1:09:07.040 --> 1:09:10.360 roller barrel when everything else is gone, that's still gonna 1:09:10.400 --> 1:09:14.040 be there, just to keep them interesting, because they'll they'll 1:09:14.200 --> 1:09:17.840 they'll they'll high grade debate, they'll go, they'll hit and 1:09:18.040 --> 1:09:19.880 different bears are different. But you know they're probably gonna 1:09:19.920 --> 1:09:23.680 eat the doughnuts and the bread and the sardines or 1:09:23.720 --> 1:09:26.479 whatever you put out first. And then if they just 1:09:26.640 --> 1:09:29.800 pound it, you still got this grease barrel that they'll 1:09:29.840 --> 1:09:33.200 come in and roll around. And last year it takes 1:09:33.640 --> 1:09:35.720 it takes more time to Yeah, they get a roll 1:09:35.720 --> 1:09:38.840 it around a little bit falls out. Yep, yep. And 1:09:38.960 --> 1:09:42.200 you know, certain years it's better than others. Like I said, 1:09:42.200 --> 1:09:46.439 when there's not much natural food, they will pound the corn. 1:09:47.720 --> 1:09:50.559 But some years they don't want to touch it as much. 1:09:50.720 --> 1:09:54.599 You know, it varies from year to year. Yeah, okay, 1:09:54.680 --> 1:09:59.439 so bread, grease, dog food, dog food, old sweets. I've 1:09:59.479 --> 1:10:06.200 used gum worms, skittles. Uh, yeah, you name it. I mean, heath, 1:10:06.280 --> 1:10:08.600 what do you use the same thing? I mean, I 1:10:09.360 --> 1:10:11.360 you know, there for a few years we were going 1:10:11.439 --> 1:10:14.640 in and buying semi truckload up sweech. You know, so 1:10:14.720 --> 1:10:17.040 it changed a little bit. The best I've ever found 1:10:17.120 --> 1:10:21.120 was donuts. They loved donuts, but you can't get an 1:10:21.200 --> 1:10:24.639 unlimited supply. One year, the year I killed that bear 1:10:24.760 --> 1:10:26.479 right there. A matter of fact, they had put in 1:10:26.560 --> 1:10:30.160 a new Dunkin Donuts where I lived at the time, 1:10:30.439 --> 1:10:32.719 brand new, and they did not know how many donuts 1:10:32.800 --> 1:10:35.360 a day they needed to make, And they were literally 1:10:35.479 --> 1:10:39.320 throwing away half a truckload trash bag full of donuts 1:10:39.360 --> 1:10:41.880 every night because they were cooking too many donuts. You 1:10:41.920 --> 1:10:43.479 could just go buy and get them out of dumpster. 1:10:44.280 --> 1:10:46.479 So one year I had like for a short time, 1:10:46.520 --> 1:10:48.640 it didn't last long because they figured it out. But 1:10:48.760 --> 1:10:52.080 I had like this unlimited supply of every kind of donut. 1:10:52.080 --> 1:10:54.519 You can imagine that Duncan Donuts found the bird nest 1:10:54.640 --> 1:10:57.519 on the ground. I mean it was unreal and but yeah, 1:10:57.520 --> 1:10:59.519 the same thing. I mean, I still you know, then 1:10:59.560 --> 1:11:02.479 where were you? And cookies and Oreo cookies with the 1:11:02.560 --> 1:11:05.479 cream filling worked really good, some of the ice cream 1:11:05.520 --> 1:11:09.479 sandwich cookies. Where we are, I don't use corn as much. 1:11:09.520 --> 1:11:11.760 I don't think my bears and I think a lot 1:11:11.800 --> 1:11:16.080 of it's where you are, obviously, and the timing of 1:11:16.160 --> 1:11:19.000 season to you, um so early New Year. Yeah, they're 1:11:19.040 --> 1:11:21.479 hitting corn right now. You can just come pour a corn. 1:11:21.600 --> 1:11:23.360 And I mean you can't even get pictures of your 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:26.200 deer right now because the bears right. But the closer 1:11:26.280 --> 1:11:28.720 we get the season, yeah, I'd do the same thing 1:11:29.120 --> 1:11:31.440 I do, kind of similar to what Rynd does with popcorn. 1:11:31.680 --> 1:11:34.599 Though we were getting the big cherry popcorn or caramel 1:11:34.640 --> 1:11:40.560 popcorn for in a quasi roller barrel that might have 1:11:40.640 --> 1:11:42.439 a bigger hole in it, but i'd like chain it 1:11:42.560 --> 1:11:45.920 to the tree on it just a rubber barrel. I'd 1:11:45.960 --> 1:11:48.760 still have my two main metal drums full of the 1:11:49.000 --> 1:11:53.000 regular stuff, but i'd feel it full of that candy 1:11:53.080 --> 1:11:55.400 popcorn and the same thing. They could roll it around, 1:11:55.400 --> 1:11:57.800 get some the popcorn out, and it's interesting. They're like 1:11:57.960 --> 1:12:00.560 humans to me. The one in year I had a 1:12:00.640 --> 1:12:03.160 low rider, you remember him for a couple well to 1:12:03.280 --> 1:12:06.280 three years, big big, big chocolate bear, biggest tacolate bear 1:12:06.280 --> 1:12:09.200 I ever seen in Arkansas, and another big bear coming. 1:12:09.680 --> 1:12:11.680 One of those bears and I can't remember which now. 1:12:11.720 --> 1:12:14.880 I loved the popcorn. One of them would never eat it. 1:12:15.600 --> 1:12:18.600 He would always eat other big barrels. So it is 1:12:18.920 --> 1:12:21.640 personality to me too. Somebars like some things and some 1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:23.960 beards don't, just like the way we do, you know. 1:12:24.720 --> 1:12:26.320 So a lot of that's just you need to research. 1:12:26.640 --> 1:12:29.040 Check the game cameras and see what he's eating, you know. 1:12:29.200 --> 1:12:30.960 And if this one bear and he's not eating the 1:12:30.960 --> 1:12:32.680 popcorner all the time, and he's the one that you're 1:12:32.720 --> 1:12:34.800 wanting to kill, you need to maybe try to start. Well, 1:12:34.920 --> 1:12:37.400 he likes I mean, I know he likes this more. 1:12:37.439 --> 1:12:38.920 I need to keep more of this because I want 1:12:39.040 --> 1:12:43.639 him to be coming in right. But so, yeah, donnuts 1:12:43.640 --> 1:12:46.240 are my favorite, but you just can't ever get enough 1:12:46.320 --> 1:12:50.760 Don't nuts spread grease, you know, one of the things 1:12:50.840 --> 1:12:52.800 I used one for a few years. I had a 1:12:52.800 --> 1:12:55.920 good connection to you know, you talk about friar all 1:12:56.080 --> 1:12:58.040 and just grease. But I had a friend that had 1:12:58.120 --> 1:13:02.840 a barbecue you restaurant, and he had his big pits 1:13:02.840 --> 1:13:05.240 smoker in the restaurant and he smoked a whole new 1:13:05.360 --> 1:13:08.240 meat every night for the next day's meals. And he 1:13:08.320 --> 1:13:10.160 had a big, huge spicket on the back side of 1:13:10.240 --> 1:13:14.400 this big uh smoker that all the grease and drippings 1:13:14.400 --> 1:13:17.280 would run out into a five gallon bucket and it 1:13:17.439 --> 1:13:19.040 was like, I mean, you'd want to dip a biscuit 1:13:19.080 --> 1:13:22.840 in it, and it was it was barbecue trippings did 1:13:23.120 --> 1:13:26.560 oh it was. It smelled so good you don't have 1:13:26.680 --> 1:13:30.680 to admit it. Yeah, And so for there for a 1:13:30.760 --> 1:13:33.320 few years too, I would have him start by taking 1:13:33.360 --> 1:13:35.360 buckets with leads that he could put on it good 1:13:35.439 --> 1:13:38.880 and start stack, you know, stalking up on that. And 1:13:39.000 --> 1:13:41.400 it had a really good strong odor. And you know, 1:13:41.439 --> 1:13:43.280 we'll talk about grease too, but grease gets on their 1:13:43.320 --> 1:13:45.479 feet and they track it back in the woods, and 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:49.439 the central component I felt like some sort of grease, 1:13:49.640 --> 1:13:52.679 I mean, and even if it's just greasy but warmarn't. 1:13:52.680 --> 1:13:54.240 You're pouring it on the ground even to get on 1:13:54.320 --> 1:13:56.720 their feet, so they track it off. Another bear is 1:13:56.720 --> 1:13:58.880 gonna smell it and follow that track back in. So 1:13:59.439 --> 1:14:01.080 it helps the other bears in there and find your 1:14:01.080 --> 1:14:04.080 bait a lot quicker in my opinion. Well, not only 1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:06.200 was I doing that, but they loved this grease because 1:14:06.240 --> 1:14:08.160 it was actually dripping set of smoke pit, so you 1:14:08.240 --> 1:14:10.800 can put if I didn't have doughnuts, I had the 1:14:10.920 --> 1:14:13.000 day old bread store stuff. You could fill the bread 1:14:13.520 --> 1:14:15.640 stop it in. This dripping is right out of the 1:14:15.640 --> 1:14:18.760 smoke pit. Holdly cow. They love that. So I'm sure 1:14:18.800 --> 1:14:22.080 it's like anybody else in my experience. Every year, I 1:14:22.080 --> 1:14:24.519 don't always have access to the same thing. Yeah, you 1:14:24.600 --> 1:14:27.680 kind of got because it's hard to get. Yeah, you know, 1:14:29.080 --> 1:14:32.679 baits hard, it is, and a lot of people don't 1:14:32.680 --> 1:14:35.799 want to. You know. I was getting pastries and stuff 1:14:35.800 --> 1:14:37.880 at a day old bread store one time for quite 1:14:37.920 --> 1:14:39.800 a while. Well, they got to where they didn't want 1:14:39.800 --> 1:14:42.360 to sell them to you because some guy bottom and 1:14:42.439 --> 1:14:45.000 went and sold them to somebody, you know, and they 1:14:45.040 --> 1:14:47.320 didn't want to get sued for somebody eating a bad pastry, 1:14:47.320 --> 1:14:49.439 you know, So then they would stop giving the bear hunters. 1:14:50.120 --> 1:14:51.800 Well we were, I mean, we're having to buy and 1:14:51.800 --> 1:14:54.280 they weren't giving them to this, but they just stopped 1:14:54.320 --> 1:14:56.320 giving them sore like, well, heck, there goes my whole 1:14:56.760 --> 1:14:59.560 supply of pastries. I gotta find some somewhere else. You know, 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:03.200 I've got a huge undertaking. I've got a tip for 1:15:03.360 --> 1:15:06.320 people trying to get bait from like commercial places, whether 1:15:06.400 --> 1:15:09.559 it's a donut store, where it's a thrift store, because 1:15:09.720 --> 1:15:12.080 people always want to know what you're gonna do with it, 1:15:12.400 --> 1:15:16.400 and you don't don't lie to them. But feed bread. 1:15:16.680 --> 1:15:19.360 That's what I asked for when I call thrift stores, 1:15:19.520 --> 1:15:21.680 like do you'all have feed bread? Because a lot of 1:15:21.720 --> 1:15:25.120 people buy this stuff for livestock, and so you know, 1:15:25.400 --> 1:15:29.360 I don't ever lie, but you know I've been I've 1:15:29.439 --> 1:15:31.800 learned from some good people over the years that you 1:15:31.880 --> 1:15:33.840 want to give as much information away as you need, 1:15:34.080 --> 1:15:37.400 because I have for sure. Early on, I remember buying 1:15:37.400 --> 1:15:39.400 bread and be like, man, we're baiting bears, and I 1:15:39.479 --> 1:15:44.120 mean it's dried up before because of that. Uh yeah, 1:15:44.280 --> 1:15:46.040 so feed bread. That's a good way to say a 1:15:46.120 --> 1:15:48.320 lot of people feed livestock and pigs and stuff with 1:15:48.360 --> 1:15:50.160 that stuff. Hey, let me tell you what I would do, 1:15:50.360 --> 1:15:52.679 just in real short because to me, this isn't people 1:15:52.800 --> 1:15:56.600 think this is like the magic bullet to killing a 1:15:56.680 --> 1:15:59.120 big bear. Is what kind of bait you use? I don't. 1:15:59.240 --> 1:16:01.320 I think it's a puple of notches down. I think 1:16:01.360 --> 1:16:06.559 it's less important if you have quality bait. Um. Basically, 1:16:06.600 --> 1:16:08.160 you gotta feed him what they'll eat. This is what 1:16:08.280 --> 1:16:10.760 I'll do on the first time that I bait, which 1:16:10.760 --> 1:16:14.479 will probably be in the next ten days, sometimes all 1:16:15.200 --> 1:16:20.160 by fifty pounds of cheap dog food. I'll have five 1:16:20.240 --> 1:16:24.800 gallons of of grease, which, depending on what I can get, 1:16:24.880 --> 1:16:27.840 I may go to Walmart and buy three or four 1:16:27.880 --> 1:16:30.960 gallons of maybe just three or four gallons of canola oil, 1:16:32.040 --> 1:16:35.439 and I will put my Northwoods gold Rush in that 1:16:35.760 --> 1:16:40.120 brand new canola oil. Uh. Then I'll have my feed 1:16:40.160 --> 1:16:42.080 bread from the thrift store, which is just gonna be 1:16:42.160 --> 1:16:47.160 a conglomeration of wheat bread, white bread, whatever I've got, 1:16:47.600 --> 1:16:49.800 and I will pour a fifty got five gallons or 1:16:50.000 --> 1:16:54.080 a fifty pound bag of dog food in that barrel, 1:16:54.160 --> 1:16:56.559 and it'll fill that barrel up almost to the bottom 1:16:56.600 --> 1:17:00.439 of my whole because I've got I cut that whole above, 1:17:01.080 --> 1:17:05.280 you know, about fifteen inches up from the bottom, so 1:17:05.360 --> 1:17:07.920 they'll be dog foot food down there. I'll pour some 1:17:08.040 --> 1:17:10.519 grease on that dog food, maybe half a gallon gallon 1:17:10.560 --> 1:17:13.799 of grease, and then i will literally stuff that barrel 1:17:13.880 --> 1:17:16.720 full of bread, so much so that I'm having one 1:17:16.760 --> 1:17:19.519 of my kids or me jump on the bread to 1:17:19.680 --> 1:17:22.760 compress it down into that bait barrel. And we'll put 1:17:23.960 --> 1:17:26.160 I don't know how many pounds of bread you can 1:17:26.200 --> 1:17:29.559 put in there, but a lot, probably two pounds of bread, 1:17:30.200 --> 1:17:32.800 and then I'll put the lid on that thing, and uh, 1:17:32.920 --> 1:17:34.920 if depend upon if it's a really good bait that 1:17:34.960 --> 1:17:38.160 I anticipate bears pounding, I'll probably do that a second 1:17:38.240 --> 1:17:40.560 time with another barrel, and then I'll fill up my 1:17:40.680 --> 1:17:44.080 corn roller barrel. I'll set my camera in a bare box. 1:17:44.160 --> 1:17:47.200 You gotta have a bare box, and you're gonna you 1:17:47.280 --> 1:17:50.000 might as well get up get a camera you can 1:17:50.040 --> 1:17:51.680 put in a bare box because the bears are they 1:17:51.760 --> 1:17:55.320 may not destroy it, they're just curious. They're gonna knock 1:17:55.360 --> 1:17:58.559 it around and they're gonna turn it sideways. And I'd 1:17:58.560 --> 1:18:00.880 say there's about a forty percent chance they're going to 1:18:01.000 --> 1:18:04.120 destroy it. Yeah. Yeah, I have people that say, man, 1:18:04.160 --> 1:18:05.760 I've never had bears messed with it. It's just a 1:18:05.880 --> 1:18:08.320 matter of time if you do it much special, if 1:18:08.360 --> 1:18:10.799 you've got quality cameras, and if you have good cameras 1:18:10.840 --> 1:18:12.360 they cost a lot of money today. You know you 1:18:12.400 --> 1:18:15.120 want to protect them. So I actually found double A 1:18:15.240 --> 1:18:19.240 batteries and bears scat before I have no kiddens, I'll 1:18:19.240 --> 1:18:25.920 be darn well, that's my that's my baiting typically what 1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:28.400 I'd made. One thing to add kind of on Ryan's point, 1:18:28.439 --> 1:18:30.160 I don't run used to use the beavers, and or 1:18:30.240 --> 1:18:32.800 still do. Sometimes you talked about going rancid, you know, 1:18:33.960 --> 1:18:36.559 I think sometimes we've talked about and or I've done 1:18:37.320 --> 1:18:39.280 sometimes if you want to hold the bear another a 1:18:39.320 --> 1:18:41.080 few more days and try to keep him there, and 1:18:41.120 --> 1:18:43.120 I don't mean a bear, a big bear. You can 1:18:43.160 --> 1:18:46.080 add beef scraps or beef fat or something a little 1:18:46.120 --> 1:18:47.720 different to their diet and they don't get a lot 1:18:47.760 --> 1:18:50.080 of meat here at And I've tried that and I 1:18:50.160 --> 1:18:52.640 do think it works. But I also agree with run. 1:18:53.240 --> 1:18:55.120 You got to be very careful because the moment that 1:18:55.200 --> 1:18:58.200 goes rancid, they stop it. Our bears here do not 1:18:58.360 --> 1:19:01.160 want rancid meat. Bears are all for tunists. You know, 1:19:01.280 --> 1:19:04.800 they're kind of cumbersome. They don't get to eat red 1:19:04.920 --> 1:19:08.800 meat real often. So when there is, but if you 1:19:08.880 --> 1:19:12.120 put too much, here's here's the bad scenario. If you 1:19:12.200 --> 1:19:13.840 go in there and they're hammering it and you put 1:19:13.880 --> 1:19:16.120 a bunch of bait or say a bunch of meat 1:19:16.160 --> 1:19:18.559 scraps on top to bait and just coincidentally the acor 1:19:18.560 --> 1:19:21.519 and start following that night. Yeah, who you gotta miss 1:19:21.560 --> 1:19:24.320 on your hands and then and then it just it's nasty, 1:19:24.439 --> 1:19:27.760 so you gotta be careful. But Clay, you know, pork 1:19:27.880 --> 1:19:31.280 or beefs fat with no meat on it, just the fat. 1:19:33.040 --> 1:19:35.200 But that you were reading my notes, he because that's 1:19:35.240 --> 1:19:37.479 what I was going to talk about. I feel like, 1:19:37.920 --> 1:19:42.800 and we've all had this conversation. Is that a key 1:19:42.880 --> 1:19:47.400 to holding a bear I think can be too strategically 1:19:48.439 --> 1:19:53.200 add something new just before season that intrigues them a 1:19:53.240 --> 1:19:55.679 little bit. And I'll walk you through a scenario I've 1:19:55.880 --> 1:19:59.000 I've had this happen multiple years, baiting a big bear 1:20:00.080 --> 1:20:03.960 and he you know, because you get the season, the 1:20:04.000 --> 1:20:07.640 more nocturnally becomes. Unless he comes to your bait, and 1:20:08.760 --> 1:20:12.679 if you can put something new out there that he's 1:20:12.720 --> 1:20:16.360 not seen, that he likes, you'll have a chance of 1:20:16.600 --> 1:20:18.439 keeping him around a little bit longer. So usually what 1:20:18.560 --> 1:20:21.280 I do is I'll buy. You can go to just 1:20:21.400 --> 1:20:25.599 about any butcher, like custom butcher, and buy fifty pound 1:20:25.680 --> 1:20:30.439 box of pork fat or beef fat frozen to be real, neat, 1:20:30.600 --> 1:20:35.240 nice little box, fifty pounds for five to thirty five dollars. 1:20:35.640 --> 1:20:39.800 I mean, it's not expensive, and then strategically put that 1:20:40.880 --> 1:20:42.640 out with your bait like I put it right on 1:20:42.760 --> 1:20:44.559 top of the barrel. I would go in and bait 1:20:44.720 --> 1:20:46.360 just like I described, and then just put it on 1:20:46.520 --> 1:20:48.760 top of the barrel. And I've seen bears come in 1:20:49.760 --> 1:20:53.439 and not eat a doughnut, not eat corn, just carry 1:20:53.439 --> 1:20:55.560 off a big slab of fat. You can do it 1:20:55.680 --> 1:20:58.120 with beef tremans to like you might be able to 1:20:58.160 --> 1:21:01.479 go to butcher and get beef. I one time watched 1:21:01.560 --> 1:21:05.840 a bear come in, walk past donuts, walk past corn, 1:21:05.960 --> 1:21:09.320 and start crunching beef bones. It was just that time 1:21:09.400 --> 1:21:13.479 of year, it was just like two weeks before it 1:21:13.560 --> 1:21:16.040 would have probably ignored that meat and it would have 1:21:16.200 --> 1:21:19.040 ate donuts and corn and dog food. It could have 1:21:19.120 --> 1:21:21.400 caurred less about this point though. We had been eating 1:21:21.400 --> 1:21:24.559 those carbohydrates for a couple of weeks on ten days 1:21:24.680 --> 1:21:27.000 or whatever, and then you've switched to this new source 1:21:27.080 --> 1:21:29.160 of protein or meat and they're like, wow, this is 1:21:29.880 --> 1:21:32.240 this is awesome. Man, that's right. I looked. I'm coming 1:21:32.280 --> 1:21:33.960 back to this Chinese in my face for a couple 1:21:34.040 --> 1:21:36.240 more days. And that's all you need. You're just trying 1:21:36.240 --> 1:21:39.519 to get him to hang on. And so for sure, 1:21:39.720 --> 1:21:43.840 always the time before that I bait. The last time 1:21:43.880 --> 1:21:46.960 I bait before season. Man, I'm putting some good stuff 1:21:47.000 --> 1:21:50.240 out and I'll tell you the l primo bait that 1:21:50.400 --> 1:21:54.639 I have never ever ever witnessed a bear not eat. 1:21:55.479 --> 1:21:57.880 Don't tell it, don't tell him. You're right, I'm not 1:21:57.880 --> 1:21:59.880 gonna tell them. They're gonna have to go to our 1:22:00.040 --> 1:22:05.120 pay for a podcasts to get this one. Now. Sardines, 1:22:06.360 --> 1:22:09.840 I have never not seen a bear eat at Cannas Sardines. 1:22:10.080 --> 1:22:14.840 I've seen him walk past corn, doughnuts, dog food, beef meat. 1:22:16.280 --> 1:22:20.720 Any I mean, like you know, blueberry pie. I don't know. 1:22:21.400 --> 1:22:24.320 I've never seen one walk over at Cannas Sardines. Maybe 1:22:24.400 --> 1:22:27.040 they have but it's like gold to them. So the 1:22:27.160 --> 1:22:30.200 day before season, I usually put out a lot of sardines, 1:22:30.760 --> 1:22:32.840 and I and I put those out throughout the year, 1:22:33.120 --> 1:22:35.719 me and James Lawrence. James is pretty good at finding 1:22:35.760 --> 1:22:38.960 these like bargain sardine deals. And he'll have he'll have 1:22:39.160 --> 1:22:42.200 fifty cans of sardines, you know, and we'll we'll eat 1:22:42.280 --> 1:22:45.519 some of them are baiting bears. But then we'll we'll say, 1:22:45.600 --> 1:22:49.519 James probably find sardines for itself. Me and James are 1:22:49.520 --> 1:22:52.280 cut from the same cloth. Man, We're like, we we 1:22:52.479 --> 1:22:56.400 both gained a little weight during bear baitings. Um, but 1:22:57.240 --> 1:22:59.840 I think that's a key point for holding a big bear. 1:23:00.640 --> 1:23:02.879 And if we're talking about big bears, you gotta be consistent. 1:23:03.200 --> 1:23:05.680 You gotta be where they are. You're not gonna kill 1:23:05.680 --> 1:23:08.000 a big bear where there's not one. So if your 1:23:08.080 --> 1:23:10.000 bait doesn't have one, you need to find somewhere else. 1:23:10.080 --> 1:23:14.920 Debate and you can. That's the best trick I've got. 1:23:15.040 --> 1:23:16.439 I mean, like people are like, well, can you go 1:23:16.520 --> 1:23:19.040 in and do a honey burn? You know, the day 1:23:19.160 --> 1:23:22.680 that you hunt and draw one in that hadn't been 1:23:22.720 --> 1:23:25.720 there in four days? I don't think so I've never 1:23:25.800 --> 1:23:29.519 seen it where like there's no just like magic bullet. 1:23:29.800 --> 1:23:31.840 You know, how do you make him be not not 1:23:32.000 --> 1:23:34.519 be nocturnal? That's probably the biggest question I got there. 1:23:34.600 --> 1:23:36.720 I don't. I think the way to not keep one, 1:23:37.640 --> 1:23:40.000 or the way to for one to kill one that's 1:23:40.040 --> 1:23:44.439 nocturnal is you may not be able to. There's just 1:23:44.560 --> 1:23:47.639 some bears that are probably unkillable. But you just gotta 1:23:47.760 --> 1:23:50.840 keep stacking everything in your favor. You gotta be in 1:23:50.880 --> 1:23:52.840 a place he's comfortable in the daytime. You gotta give 1:23:52.880 --> 1:23:55.120 him the food he wants. You gotta mix it up 1:23:55.200 --> 1:23:57.880 just a little bit on that opening day you've got 1:23:58.000 --> 1:24:01.719 a we all think he hunt the mornings the evening. 1:24:01.840 --> 1:24:03.680 What you're talking about too, though, And here's the thing 1:24:03.720 --> 1:24:05.720 about that. I mean, it's just like if the wind 1:24:05.800 --> 1:24:08.640 is totally wrong opening day, you're not gonna kill the 1:24:08.640 --> 1:24:11.000 bear if you go in there, you know, I mean, 1:24:11.080 --> 1:24:12.400 we all want to go hunt, but if all of 1:24:12.400 --> 1:24:14.040 a sudden we get a rainfront came in and we 1:24:14.120 --> 1:24:17.120 got that north wind, you might as well not go, 1:24:17.800 --> 1:24:20.280 you know, if you're after a big one. Yeah, it's 1:24:20.320 --> 1:24:23.600 just like deer, Yeah, I mean, they're they smell you 1:24:23.680 --> 1:24:25.880 know their ability to smell is better than deer. So 1:24:26.000 --> 1:24:28.600 I mean you gotta be a smart hunter too. You know, 1:24:28.680 --> 1:24:33.400 on top of everything we're talking about um sent attractance, 1:24:33.439 --> 1:24:36.400 commercial cent attracts. We've talked a little bit about gold rush. 1:24:37.320 --> 1:24:40.719 What you've been your experience with it. I think it works, 1:24:40.880 --> 1:24:43.519 you know, the I think i've last time or two 1:24:43.560 --> 1:24:45.240 I baited pretty hard. I use some of that cherry 1:24:45.280 --> 1:24:48.800 bomb spray your cherry one of the cherry flavors from there, 1:24:48.920 --> 1:24:51.719 and we sprayed up in the trees where smell better 1:24:51.760 --> 1:24:53.719 and carry, and then I put some of the stuff 1:24:53.760 --> 1:24:56.080 in the grease or whatever because I I didn't use 1:24:56.120 --> 1:24:58.240 it when I had that connection to get the barbecue 1:24:58.320 --> 1:25:00.920 drippings because it had its own smell, right, So I 1:25:00.960 --> 1:25:02.599 didn't need it. But yeah, if you're just using regular 1:25:02.640 --> 1:25:05.880 fra all you should use it. I mean it's inexpensive 1:25:06.000 --> 1:25:08.960 for as much as it smells and attracting. It gives 1:25:09.680 --> 1:25:11.560 the grease in your bait set. In my opinion, I 1:25:12.040 --> 1:25:15.720 think it adds. It would be hard to put a 1:25:15.800 --> 1:25:20.320 percentage on it really scientifically to say how much more 1:25:21.040 --> 1:25:24.320 scent to power your bait would have, but I would 1:25:24.400 --> 1:25:29.000 say it would be it would double at least. I mean, 1:25:29.080 --> 1:25:33.519 like natural natural bait only has so much scent, and 1:25:33.640 --> 1:25:38.000 this stuff is chemically designed to like be loud, as 1:25:38.120 --> 1:25:41.280 Ryan says, you know, to just have a loud smell, 1:25:41.960 --> 1:25:44.719 and so it's just gonna carry better. It's gonna carry further, 1:25:45.439 --> 1:25:49.240 it's gonna stick on stuff better and scents everything. That's 1:25:49.280 --> 1:25:51.960 the way you're gonna that's the way you're gonna attract 1:25:52.000 --> 1:25:55.880 bears exactly. Adding to the bears getting the grease on 1:25:55.960 --> 1:25:58.040 their paws and walking down the trails, if they got 1:25:58.160 --> 1:26:01.000 that smelly grease on there, there gonna smell it way 1:26:01.160 --> 1:26:03.479 back in there as well. So it's gonna last longer 1:26:04.120 --> 1:26:07.000 that old based chemicals gonna last longer on the plants 1:26:07.040 --> 1:26:09.800 when they're rubbing going down the trail and stuff. So 1:26:10.439 --> 1:26:12.240 I mean that's the key really with the grease and 1:26:12.280 --> 1:26:15.200 the attracting is to get as many bears as quickly 1:26:15.200 --> 1:26:17.320 as you can to know the bats there, especially if 1:26:17.360 --> 1:26:19.720 you're you know, I mean maybe not for thirty days, 1:26:19.760 --> 1:26:21.320 but for me, it's always I got a bait to 1:26:21.360 --> 1:26:23.240 get the bears here before acorns, and then I got 1:26:23.360 --> 1:26:26.320 to hold them till season here at So the key 1:26:26.439 --> 1:26:27.880 is I gotta get all the bears in there. You 1:26:28.000 --> 1:26:30.640 know there's a bait here. Well, that grease is a 1:26:30.720 --> 1:26:33.839 huge factor. And you know, I also think it's important 1:26:33.960 --> 1:26:38.120 to uh continue to use the sense throughout the season 1:26:38.600 --> 1:26:43.200 because just like I said earlier, you might be attracting 1:26:43.240 --> 1:26:49.000 a bear two days before season opener and he may 1:26:49.040 --> 1:26:51.160 be the one you kill. Like a lot of guys, 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:53.560 I've heard people saying, and I maybe even said that 1:26:53.640 --> 1:26:56.280 that I like to use commercial sense when I'm opening 1:26:56.320 --> 1:27:00.400 a bait live now kind of drifted my full spez. 1:27:00.439 --> 1:27:02.519 I like to use commercial since the whole time, because 1:27:02.640 --> 1:27:05.040 two days before season you made draw in a bear 1:27:05.240 --> 1:27:08.360 from four miles away, that is the one you want 1:27:08.400 --> 1:27:11.439 to kill. Where if you if you just used at 1:27:11.479 --> 1:27:14.120 the beginning to get some bears coming in, you know, 1:27:14.200 --> 1:27:15.720 maybe you wouldn't have got I mean, if if we're 1:27:15.760 --> 1:27:19.560 talking about best case scenario to kill big bears, I 1:27:20.040 --> 1:27:24.599 keep using it, especially with the gold rush stuff. Yeah. Hey, 1:27:24.680 --> 1:27:26.439 one thing we didn't say when we were talking about 1:27:26.479 --> 1:27:31.360 bait site placement is that I feel like your bait 1:27:31.520 --> 1:27:36.040 has to be on the up wind. Well, the bait 1:27:36.200 --> 1:27:41.120 scent needs to be blowing into areas that hold the bears. 1:27:41.600 --> 1:27:43.719 And I've got two stories. And I've told this before, 1:27:43.760 --> 1:27:45.479 so if you've listened to these kind of podcasts, you've 1:27:45.520 --> 1:27:47.720 probably heard both these stories. One time I had a 1:27:47.800 --> 1:27:51.439 bait that was on the rim of this big block 1:27:51.600 --> 1:27:54.720 national forest. I mean, everything was beautiful about this bait, 1:27:54.960 --> 1:27:58.599 except it was on the north side of a big, 1:27:58.680 --> 1:28:02.280 giant block of National four Rest, and north of the 1:28:02.400 --> 1:28:06.559 bait was just civilization, I mean just farms and cattle 1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:09.680 pastures and places bears didn't want to be. Well, a 1:28:09.840 --> 1:28:14.640 south wind that whole time in September, which usually, you know, 1:28:15.640 --> 1:28:17.920 most of our winds are out of the south in September, 1:28:18.040 --> 1:28:20.240 most of them. Well, it just so happened the three 1:28:20.280 --> 1:28:23.200 weeks that abated, we never got a north wind. So 1:28:23.360 --> 1:28:26.639 the wind was constantly coming out of the good bear 1:28:26.760 --> 1:28:31.559 country blowing into all the farm country. I could never 1:28:31.640 --> 1:28:34.160 attract a bear there. You know, if we'd had a 1:28:34.240 --> 1:28:37.439 north wind, it would have blown that bait sent down 1:28:37.520 --> 1:28:40.000 into that wilderness and the bears would have been like, oh, dang, 1:28:40.080 --> 1:28:42.920 there it is. So I believe that if I had 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:46.280 had the same bait that was on the south side, 1:28:46.439 --> 1:28:49.000 you know, you could follow my wind direction. You know, 1:28:49.280 --> 1:28:52.840 I think that's important. Another another time, I had a 1:28:53.000 --> 1:28:58.679 killer bait site in terms of area, rugged, remote, big country, 1:28:59.720 --> 1:29:04.320 and the wind was always blowing up this canyon which 1:29:04.400 --> 1:29:07.400 is where all the city where I came from, and 1:29:07.520 --> 1:29:11.240 really the bears were down, you know, kind of downstream 1:29:11.720 --> 1:29:14.400 into this big national forest. Well, I put out a 1:29:14.439 --> 1:29:17.040 bait and uh, for a week didn't get a bear. 1:29:17.680 --> 1:29:21.160 This is over in Oklahoma, and uh it just shocked me. 1:29:21.479 --> 1:29:25.000 No bears. How could this spot not produce a bear? Well, 1:29:25.479 --> 1:29:30.920 I took I took a I I did a little 1:29:31.120 --> 1:29:34.000 scent trail run with a drag. I did a little 1:29:34.080 --> 1:29:38.280 drag down on the property and got just around the 1:29:38.479 --> 1:29:41.600 point of these two big ridges. Basically I had to 1:29:41.680 --> 1:29:44.400 be low and there were two big ridges and I 1:29:44.520 --> 1:29:47.960 was between them. I drugged that scent just out beyond 1:29:49.240 --> 1:29:52.880 where those ridges came down, and it was a whole 1:29:52.960 --> 1:29:56.639 new draft of wind, I felt like, and within twenty 1:29:56.680 --> 1:29:59.280 four hours I had a bear. I just did a 1:29:59.400 --> 1:30:03.960 drag sent drag that just got my bait sent into 1:30:04.200 --> 1:30:09.400 a little bit different current. And so that's important. And 1:30:09.479 --> 1:30:12.880 if you can't and here's the flip side of that, 1:30:13.200 --> 1:30:15.160 that bait is going to be better for you to 1:30:15.360 --> 1:30:17.920 hunt if you have a big bear coming, because he's 1:30:18.000 --> 1:30:20.560 trying to smell you, So setting him up like that 1:30:20.720 --> 1:30:22.720 and then doing a drag to get the bears there, 1:30:22.800 --> 1:30:25.280 then having the grease there for the bears to disperse 1:30:25.360 --> 1:30:28.040 the scent for you actually makes it a better spot 1:30:28.120 --> 1:30:30.240 to hunt. It's just harder to get the bears to 1:30:30.280 --> 1:30:32.200 come to it. Get a little more work you gotta 1:30:32.240 --> 1:30:36.960 do for that. Yeah, so as good. I've done that before, 1:30:37.040 --> 1:30:39.559 done a drag and not probably as far as you did, 1:30:39.640 --> 1:30:41.439 but just over the ridge down just to kind of 1:30:42.120 --> 1:30:44.120 drag back out. And yeah, I mean it don't take 1:30:44.160 --> 1:30:46.000 no time. Family fall that trail right in and then 1:30:46.040 --> 1:30:48.839 the bears are leaving their scent and they're creating trails everywhere, 1:30:48.920 --> 1:30:50.599 so you don't have to all you got has one 1:30:50.640 --> 1:30:54.080 bear coming. If you get one bear coming, tell all 1:30:54.160 --> 1:30:55.840 the rest all the rest of them are gonna figure 1:30:55.840 --> 1:30:57.240 it out. But you gotta get the one bear to 1:30:57.280 --> 1:31:00.240 come in first. What would you guys say, We've we've 1:31:00.320 --> 1:31:03.519 covered everything we said we're going to cover. Um, what 1:31:03.640 --> 1:31:06.800 do you think people would have questions about, like, you know, 1:31:06.880 --> 1:31:09.120 like how to set up trail cameras? I almost want 1:31:09.160 --> 1:31:11.160 to talk about how where to shoot a bear, like 1:31:11.280 --> 1:31:15.320 how to set up your stands and stuff. That important 1:31:15.320 --> 1:31:20.040 subject is basically getting your stands set up, everything done 1:31:21.720 --> 1:31:25.160 before you even bait. I have everything like say, turn 1:31:25.320 --> 1:31:29.559 key and not being there tinkering around even when you're baiting. 1:31:29.720 --> 1:31:32.200 Just go away, get out that way the bear first 1:31:32.240 --> 1:31:34.519 time he comes in. The stands already there. You don't 1:31:34.520 --> 1:31:37.120 want to be in a climb and stand opening day 1:31:37.200 --> 1:31:43.000 and clanking up. Get all and bear, get all your 1:31:43.040 --> 1:31:46.800 homework done right off the bat for even bait and 1:31:47.760 --> 1:31:51.240 it's ready to go. Come open it down? How high 1:31:51.280 --> 1:31:54.240 do you put your stands? Honestly? For bear? Base now? 1:31:54.360 --> 1:31:57.800 And I've got to where I put ladder stands? Eighteen seat? Maybe? 1:31:58.000 --> 1:32:01.200 How far is the bait away from your stand? Twenty yards? 1:32:01.200 --> 1:32:08.599 Are less? You get up hired in that though, don't you? Uh? 1:32:09.320 --> 1:32:11.559 I think it depends on your terrain a little bit. Yeah, 1:32:11.560 --> 1:32:14.080 if you're too far downhill and some of the snails, 1:32:14.120 --> 1:32:15.800 then I might need to be a little bit first. Well, 1:32:16.040 --> 1:32:18.439 where I'm going to is shot angle, shot angle. I 1:32:18.640 --> 1:32:21.880 used to think I needed to be up in a tree, 1:32:22.240 --> 1:32:25.880 and that burnt me big time. It's man and it's 1:32:25.920 --> 1:32:28.799 a hard angle for dear any critter to be shooting 1:32:28.800 --> 1:32:31.519 at a super steep angle, but I feel like a 1:32:31.640 --> 1:32:35.400 big bear or any bear, it's pretty dang unfriendly too. 1:32:35.560 --> 1:32:38.160 I have now, I have permanent ladder stands that just 1:32:38.280 --> 1:32:40.839 stay there. I mean, I never moved them changes straps. 1:32:40.880 --> 1:32:43.240 One of them probably a fifteen footer and one of 1:32:43.240 --> 1:32:45.679 them is an eighteen footer, but it's more steep off 1:32:45.720 --> 1:32:47.720 the end of the point, So in r L it's 1:32:47.800 --> 1:32:50.720 probably only fifteen ft above kind of the ground level. 1:32:52.880 --> 1:32:57.000 Always kind of the sweet spot that I've found. And 1:32:57.160 --> 1:33:00.479 Bernie Barringer has kind of helped me or he has 1:33:00.520 --> 1:33:06.560 some pretty good philosophies on this too. But b sixteen 1:33:06.760 --> 1:33:11.040 the nineteen feet high and have the bait barrel eighteen 1:33:11.120 --> 1:33:16.000 yards away, you getta you're you're you're up high enough 1:33:16.360 --> 1:33:20.120 that you're wind is a little bit better, but you're 1:33:20.160 --> 1:33:22.439 not up so high that your angle is super steep. 1:33:23.000 --> 1:33:26.320 Eighteen yards is just far enough that a bear is 1:33:26.840 --> 1:33:28.880 in our reality. Both of my good spots are probably 1:33:29.000 --> 1:33:31.639 seventeen to eighteen yards from the bait. You don't want 1:33:31.640 --> 1:33:34.439 to be twenty five. I've I've I've been to some 1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:36.920 Canadian hunts where they got a bait barrel twenty five 1:33:36.960 --> 1:33:39.519 yards out there, and I'm like, that's too far. I mean, 1:33:39.600 --> 1:33:42.439 I could shoot at twenty five yards, but why, I 1:33:42.600 --> 1:33:45.240 just don't think it's necessary. But you don't want to 1:33:45.280 --> 1:33:48.400 be ten yards from either, you know, that's kind of 1:33:48.439 --> 1:33:51.280 a sweet spot. You know, really fifteen to twenty ft 1:33:52.280 --> 1:33:54.840 eighteen is yards you don't want to be right on 1:33:54.960 --> 1:33:58.400 top of and that angle is super crazy. Now, just 1:33:58.520 --> 1:34:01.679 because we're getting close to opening a let's real quickly 1:34:01.760 --> 1:34:05.439 go through shot placement stuff. And this is a whole podcast. 1:34:05.479 --> 1:34:07.200 I think me and you did a whole podcast on 1:34:07.280 --> 1:34:10.519 shot placement. We did, and that podcast is still up 1:34:10.600 --> 1:34:13.760 and I'll refer people to that. It's called Dummies Guide 1:34:13.760 --> 1:34:16.080 the Shop Placement on Bear and we nerd out for 1:34:16.200 --> 1:34:19.640 an hour or longer just about shot placement. But the 1:34:19.720 --> 1:34:24.280 biggest thing that I would say is a bear is 1:34:24.320 --> 1:34:27.439 not as big as he looks. He's got three inches 1:34:27.479 --> 1:34:30.680 of hair all the way around his body. He's got 1:34:30.840 --> 1:34:34.040 fat and so the biggest thing that I've seen people 1:34:34.080 --> 1:34:36.360 mess up on and shoot him too low. Yeah, you 1:34:36.400 --> 1:34:38.400 do not shoot him like a white tail. You don't 1:34:38.479 --> 1:34:40.400 want to try to hart shoot a bear because they 1:34:40.400 --> 1:34:42.320 don't duck like a white tail. For that's right. I mean, 1:34:42.360 --> 1:34:44.800 that's the whole key. That's another podcast. But you know, 1:34:44.920 --> 1:34:48.040 dear duck bears don't. That's right. That's exactly the reason 1:34:48.120 --> 1:34:50.240 we aim low and tight on a white tail is 1:34:50.320 --> 1:34:53.439 because that animal is gonna move at the sound of 1:34:53.520 --> 1:34:56.840 the string. He's gonna drop and then lunge to get away. 1:34:56.960 --> 1:34:59.120 You're always gonna hit him a little higher than you're aiming. 1:34:59.600 --> 1:35:01.920 A bear is not that case. I mean, you should 1:35:01.920 --> 1:35:03.679 be able to pick out a tick on the bear 1:35:03.920 --> 1:35:07.479 and hit the tick heat moving. Yeah, at eighteen yards, 1:35:07.560 --> 1:35:10.840 maybe at thirty or something. So that's the biggest thing. 1:35:10.920 --> 1:35:15.960 Don't shoot him too low. And listen to this. This 1:35:16.200 --> 1:35:20.360 is my new philosophy on where the vitals of a 1:35:20.439 --> 1:35:22.320 bear are at. And we could go look at your 1:35:22.360 --> 1:35:25.360 bear over here. We've we've said for years, and I've 1:35:25.439 --> 1:35:28.479 said for years that a bear's vitals are slightly further 1:35:28.680 --> 1:35:34.000 back than a white tail. Functionally that is true, but 1:35:34.160 --> 1:35:38.559 in reality, his shoulders are further up on his body. 1:35:38.960 --> 1:35:41.320 You'll see what I'm saying. Like a white tail, you 1:35:41.439 --> 1:35:44.639 can see his briskets stick out on the north side 1:35:44.640 --> 1:35:48.080 of his shoulders and then his neck starts and then 1:35:48.360 --> 1:35:52.479 and so their their anatomy is actually really similar in 1:35:52.640 --> 1:35:56.519 terms of of organs. And if we're getting super technical, 1:35:57.120 --> 1:36:00.240 but bear, a bear doesn't have a brisk it that 1:36:00.360 --> 1:36:02.880 hangs out in front of his shoulders. If we look 1:36:02.920 --> 1:36:05.320 at that bear amount over there, his shoulders come up 1:36:05.360 --> 1:36:09.960 and his neck immediately starts, and so his shoulders and 1:36:10.200 --> 1:36:13.920 legs are more forward than a deer. So what that 1:36:14.080 --> 1:36:18.519 translates into is that you have more space for vitals 1:36:19.400 --> 1:36:22.320 further what seems to be further back on a bear. 1:36:22.800 --> 1:36:25.400 And so you know, people say there's a phrase a 1:36:25.400 --> 1:36:27.719 lot of Canadian outfitters used the middle of the middle, 1:36:28.120 --> 1:36:32.519 and they literally mean aim at the dead nuts excuse 1:36:32.640 --> 1:36:35.800 my French, middle of a black bear and shoot it. 1:36:36.080 --> 1:36:38.320 Which if you did that with a white tail, you 1:36:38.400 --> 1:36:42.360 would be hitting him in the liver. Well with a bear, 1:36:42.960 --> 1:36:44.960 you're you're gonna be hitting him kind of in the 1:36:45.040 --> 1:36:46.880 back of the lungs. I don't like to go middle 1:36:46.920 --> 1:36:50.280 of the middle. I like to go the middle of 1:36:50.360 --> 1:36:53.240 the middle and then back towards the shoulder about four inches. 1:36:53.320 --> 1:36:55.080 But the point is you can hit him further back. 1:36:55.160 --> 1:36:58.479 The second point is, I have seen this. You know, 1:36:59.400 --> 1:37:02.000 I've killed quite a few bears, but more than that, 1:37:02.280 --> 1:37:05.519 I've tracked a ton of bears in Canadian bear camps 1:37:05.600 --> 1:37:08.240 over the years and Arkansas bears. I mean, I've tracked 1:37:08.240 --> 1:37:11.120 a lot of bears. You can shoot a bear in 1:37:11.280 --> 1:37:15.840 the absolute guts, but you don't want to do and 1:37:16.040 --> 1:37:19.880 you can find that bear relatively easy. He's gonna die 1:37:20.160 --> 1:37:22.680 within three yards. You're gonna have to put on your 1:37:22.720 --> 1:37:26.080 blood trailing cap and you're gonna have to give him time. 1:37:26.560 --> 1:37:28.479 But so the point of all that is to say, 1:37:29.560 --> 1:37:31.920 in white in the white tailed world, the biggest fear 1:37:32.080 --> 1:37:34.080 you have is hitting one far back, or at least 1:37:34.080 --> 1:37:35.920 that's what we've been told our whole lives. Don't hit 1:37:36.000 --> 1:37:38.679 him far back, man, gut shot that deer. And that's true. 1:37:39.560 --> 1:37:42.639 That is not the worst case scenario with a black 1:37:42.720 --> 1:37:47.040 bear in my opinion. I mean, Colby, there's a great 1:37:47.160 --> 1:37:50.920 video on Bear Honey Magazine YouTube of our buddy Colby 1:37:51.560 --> 1:37:57.080 just absolutely shooting one deep in the guts, and I 1:37:57.160 --> 1:38:00.160 mean it just makes you go, oh, man, we've down 1:38:00.200 --> 1:38:03.840 that bear, and no problem. River Nukem. Last year, Ryan 1:38:03.960 --> 1:38:07.240 helped me track Rivers bear. She tend ring that sucker 1:38:07.680 --> 1:38:11.640 in the guts. I mean we had to blood trail it, 1:38:12.000 --> 1:38:16.040 but we found it relatively easy the next day. I mean, 1:38:16.160 --> 1:38:19.200 you know, thirty minute blood trail and you know it 1:38:19.280 --> 1:38:23.360 went three hundred yards probably. But point being, I think 1:38:23.439 --> 1:38:25.360 people are so afraid to shoot them far back. They 1:38:25.400 --> 1:38:27.280 want to shoot them tied up against that shoulder and 1:38:27.360 --> 1:38:30.200 they hit the shoulder, and you were guaranteed if you 1:38:30.400 --> 1:38:33.240 hit that scapula or an actual shoulder bone of that bear, 1:38:33.360 --> 1:38:37.840 you're not gonna kill it. I've done that. Yeah. Yeah, 1:38:38.120 --> 1:38:39.920 And you don't want to hit them low because you'll 1:38:39.920 --> 1:38:41.800 shoot I mean I've done that, especially if you're in 1:38:41.840 --> 1:38:43.840 the angle in a tree stand, because they're not gonna duck, 1:38:43.920 --> 1:38:47.760 so you're gonna shoot low hair brisket. I mean you 1:38:47.880 --> 1:38:51.680 might clip a hertery or something there. But yeah, I 1:38:51.720 --> 1:38:54.000 mean I like to shoot them. I still shoot them, 1:38:54.040 --> 1:38:56.400 probably not as middle as most people, but I would 1:38:56.479 --> 1:39:00.240 like I'm probably gonna shoot him a full and say 1:39:00.280 --> 1:39:02.479 hand my hands probably nine inches wide. I'm gonna put 1:39:02.560 --> 1:39:06.320 him a hand with behind the shoulder. That's about what 1:39:06.479 --> 1:39:09.080 I like to do. It gives you more room for 1:39:09.160 --> 1:39:11.880 air here. If you hugged that shoulder just to hit 1:39:12.000 --> 1:39:14.320 this way, and I still got nine or from probably more. 1:39:14.520 --> 1:39:16.640 But you know at eighteen yards as good as we 1:39:16.800 --> 1:39:20.599 practice and shooting now, you should hit right pretty big. 1:39:20.720 --> 1:39:25.160 I'm close to that spot. You know he's not moving. Yeah. Well, 1:39:25.360 --> 1:39:28.080 and see that's the that's the logic. And if we're 1:39:28.080 --> 1:39:31.599 talking about you know, you can kill one bear doing 1:39:31.720 --> 1:39:36.240 something kind of crazy, and statistically you might win the 1:39:36.360 --> 1:39:40.920 statistics war if you shoot ten bears. You want to 1:39:41.040 --> 1:39:44.160 do the best case scenario. And so if you hug 1:39:44.360 --> 1:39:47.639 that shoulder, you've only got room for air to the south. 1:39:48.360 --> 1:39:51.879 By south, I mean back, you know, you you scooch 1:39:51.960 --> 1:39:55.080 it over and then you got room for air towards 1:39:55.160 --> 1:39:58.240 the shoulder. You got room fair behind the shoulder. And 1:39:58.280 --> 1:39:59.800 then the worst thing you can do is hit the 1:39:59.840 --> 1:40:01.880 bear on the fringe, and that would be with white 1:40:01.920 --> 1:40:04.000 tails or anything else. You hit a bear too high, 1:40:04.800 --> 1:40:06.920 you know you're not gonna find him. You hit a 1:40:07.000 --> 1:40:09.639 bear too low, even in the cavity, and you may 1:40:09.720 --> 1:40:11.800 not find that bear. I mean, I think the bear 1:40:11.960 --> 1:40:15.640 you probably shot that you talked about, Yeah, and that 1:40:16.040 --> 1:40:18.559 my blood trailed that bear like he was pouring blood 1:40:18.600 --> 1:40:20.320 out of a bucket. For a quarter of a mile, 1:40:20.560 --> 1:40:23.280 you know, but I no, I just shot riding under 1:40:23.320 --> 1:40:27.360 his hard probably Yeah, and at the angle, I may 1:40:27.439 --> 1:40:29.160 actually not have got the heart, you know what went 1:40:29.200 --> 1:40:30.880 in here and bropo came out right there. You know 1:40:30.920 --> 1:40:33.800 what I'm saying, It's just a rookie mistake. I mean, 1:40:33.880 --> 1:40:37.840 I just pulled up aimed at where I would shooting 1:40:37.880 --> 1:40:40.479 whitetail that I've killed the hunter of and it wasn't 1:40:40.479 --> 1:40:43.800 where I needed to shoot him, you know. I mean, well, 1:40:43.960 --> 1:40:46.599 the the only other thing I would say in terms 1:40:46.640 --> 1:40:49.920 of shot placement, it's best case scenario is gonna be 1:40:50.000 --> 1:40:54.120 a broadside standing bear. Bears do all kind of weird 1:40:54.160 --> 1:40:55.880 stuff when they come into a bay. They can sit 1:40:55.960 --> 1:40:58.519 down on their rump, they can stand up, they can 1:40:58.600 --> 1:41:02.160 lay down, they can cut their body. Yeah. That's the 1:41:02.240 --> 1:41:05.200 biggest thing Ryan, and you've heard me preach about that, 1:41:05.439 --> 1:41:08.719 is a bear has so many contortions of his body 1:41:08.800 --> 1:41:10.840 that he can do that a white tail camp. A 1:41:10.880 --> 1:41:14.920 white tail is almost like this linear like static animal 1:41:15.080 --> 1:41:16.719 for the most part. I mean like they're they're gonna 1:41:16.760 --> 1:41:20.000 be like a bear is like a cat almost like 1:41:20.120 --> 1:41:24.360 he can cut his body. So and bears are black 1:41:24.640 --> 1:41:30.000 which is a color that just soaks up its surroundings. 1:41:30.160 --> 1:41:33.680 And his hair is long, A white tail is short hair. 1:41:33.800 --> 1:41:36.120 You can see every crease in his body, you can 1:41:36.160 --> 1:41:38.719 see his shoulder line, you can see everything. A bear 1:41:38.840 --> 1:41:41.280 is like shooting at an inflated black trash bag. Well 1:41:41.280 --> 1:41:43.960 and thinking about big bears, especially asn't we all know 1:41:44.120 --> 1:41:47.080 this other than you know, Ryan killing one who walks 1:41:47.160 --> 1:41:49.160 up on all the really big bears I've ever killed, 1:41:49.160 --> 1:41:52.280 it's been within three minutes of shooting light, Yeah, there 1:41:53.200 --> 1:41:56.200 are you know five, I mean late, just like that one. 1:41:56.240 --> 1:41:57.960 I mean he may have came up over the ridge 1:41:58.240 --> 1:42:00.479 thirty minutes before dark, but he didn't come in there 1:42:00.520 --> 1:42:04.280 until three minutes before the legal shooting, you know, so 1:42:04.400 --> 1:42:06.760 it's almost dark anyway, and then you're shooting at this 1:42:07.000 --> 1:42:10.639 black blob literally at that time, he's just a black 1:42:10.720 --> 1:42:12.439 blob with all this big hair on him, you know, 1:42:13.000 --> 1:42:14.639 And so I mean I've killed him, you know. Don't 1:42:14.680 --> 1:42:17.479 get me wrong, I've killed not old big bears earlier 1:42:17.520 --> 1:42:20.080 in the day, but these bears like this don't come 1:42:20.160 --> 1:42:22.800 in often until it's almost last light, at least in 1:42:22.840 --> 1:42:25.760 my experience. So you gotta be real careful where you 1:42:25.840 --> 1:42:28.800 shoot him, and you just wanted to be standing up. 1:42:28.800 --> 1:42:30.680 You don't wanted to be cups towards him, which that 1:42:30.680 --> 1:42:34.720 would mean he would be standing broadside, but his shoulders 1:42:35.439 --> 1:42:38.200 and his hips would be closer to you than the 1:42:38.400 --> 1:42:41.720 offside rib cage, if that makes sense. And so you 1:42:41.920 --> 1:42:45.840 might think I've been in a stand more than once 1:42:46.320 --> 1:42:50.080 watching someone shoot no names being named here where they 1:42:50.280 --> 1:42:54.120 ain't thought they were aiming right behind the shoulder, and 1:42:54.160 --> 1:42:57.080 they actually hit right where they're aiming. But when that 1:42:57.240 --> 1:43:02.200 bear straightened back out, that era was eighteen inches back. 1:43:02.280 --> 1:43:05.519 I mean, and you know, we may have still found 1:43:05.560 --> 1:43:09.200 a bear, but it wasn't It wasn't a tin ring 1:43:09.280 --> 1:43:11.880 double lung shot. There. He's gonna run thirty yards, you know. 1:43:11.960 --> 1:43:15.080 And you can use your bait set up to make 1:43:15.160 --> 1:43:17.320 a bear stand the way you want them to to shoot, too, 1:43:17.439 --> 1:43:19.439 the way your barrels are angled. I know I don't 1:43:19.479 --> 1:43:21.720 do this much, but you know, some guys may lay 1:43:21.800 --> 1:43:23.920 some logs behind the bait, so the bears have to 1:43:24.000 --> 1:43:27.360 come in on this side and turn and face the barrel, 1:43:27.400 --> 1:43:30.720 and they're slightly quartering away maybe just you know, not 1:43:30.800 --> 1:43:34.600 a lot, but slightly fifteen degrees or something that you 1:43:34.640 --> 1:43:37.040 can slap. Every time I've done that, the bears just 1:43:37.280 --> 1:43:40.680 trumpet to the ground. I've done it many times, and 1:43:40.760 --> 1:43:44.600 they always because you're always trying to block it the 1:43:44.720 --> 1:43:47.879 way that they naturally want to just use the barrel openings. 1:43:49.960 --> 1:43:53.000 Especially when they first come in there, they'll kind of 1:43:53.080 --> 1:43:56.400 square up with it in the beginning to look in 1:43:56.479 --> 1:43:58.200 the hole and reaching the whole. Now they're going to 1:43:58.320 --> 1:44:00.559 do all kinds of stuff after that, but when they 1:44:00.600 --> 1:44:03.759 first walk in there, oftentimes it seems like they'll square 1:44:03.880 --> 1:44:06.400 up with that whole, which if you've got two barrels, 1:44:06.439 --> 1:44:09.680 there might be the one. But it's broadside enough that 1:44:09.720 --> 1:44:12.080 an eighteen yards you should make a perfect shot on it, right, 1:44:12.120 --> 1:44:14.160 and you don't have to be usually in any hurry 1:44:14.240 --> 1:44:21.000 on a bear a debate set situation. On the big ones, 1:44:21.040 --> 1:44:23.639 it's always fate lighting, you know, and word in the timber, 1:44:23.920 --> 1:44:25.760 you know, So you walk out the timber up on 1:44:25.760 --> 1:44:27.439 the ridge, it might still be daylight when it gets 1:44:27.520 --> 1:44:31.080 dark in the timber lost sooner. Yeah, yeah. And on 1:44:31.240 --> 1:44:34.639 mine sites, I'm always on the north side of the mountains, 1:44:34.680 --> 1:44:37.000 so it's getting darker there before the south side of mountains, 1:44:37.000 --> 1:44:38.960 so I run out of daylight a lot sooner there 1:44:39.040 --> 1:44:41.960 than you probably would in some other locations. But it's 1:44:42.000 --> 1:44:45.400 the locations that I found that I can successfully get 1:44:45.479 --> 1:44:47.799 them in there in the daylight without being winded and stuff. 1:44:48.080 --> 1:44:51.679 You know. Yeah, well, man, I think we've really covered 1:44:51.680 --> 1:44:54.639 a lot of good stuff here. I'll throw the only 1:44:55.400 --> 1:44:59.719 secret weapon the only man we're gonna yep, we're shutting 1:44:59.720 --> 1:45:02.000 this day. This is a pay for a part. You 1:45:02.000 --> 1:45:05.120 can go to Bear Hunting magazine. Only people that get 1:45:05.160 --> 1:45:08.519 a subscription to the magazine get this silver bullet. The 1:45:08.720 --> 1:45:11.400 only silver bullet that I've ever found in baiting bears 1:45:12.120 --> 1:45:17.479 is a redneck blind conversation. It was years before you 1:45:17.600 --> 1:45:19.760 got it. Yeah, I mean I told you we had 1:45:19.880 --> 1:45:22.479 talking about winning swirling stuff. I'm like, the only way 1:45:22.560 --> 1:45:24.080 to kill the bear every time and he not know 1:45:24.200 --> 1:45:27.080 you're there is being a scent typeline and you know, 1:45:27.160 --> 1:45:30.439 and not just a redneck, but you know whatever. Whatever. Yeah, 1:45:30.560 --> 1:45:35.320 that's why we sealed tight. There's and I mean people 1:45:35.360 --> 1:45:37.760 would have if they followed the podcast, they would know this. 1:45:38.000 --> 1:45:40.840 But I hunted a bear. We got access to a 1:45:40.920 --> 1:45:46.280 property in twenty fifteen, I think, and for well, I 1:45:46.439 --> 1:45:49.200 was fourteen for five years. I had pictures of this 1:45:49.280 --> 1:45:54.920 bear I called Batman and never saw the bear totally nocturnal, 1:45:55.120 --> 1:45:57.519 just he just would read your mail like you just 1:45:57.560 --> 1:46:00.200 couldn't kill him. I put up a red neck mine 1:46:00.960 --> 1:46:02.439 have killed him the first day. I put a red 1:46:02.520 --> 1:46:04.479 nickline and I had things in my favorite. It was 1:46:04.520 --> 1:46:07.200 a good mass year, like in terms of there wasn't 1:46:07.280 --> 1:46:10.920 much mass. He was responding to bait, but he came 1:46:11.000 --> 1:46:13.479 in and he had he He was that bear was 1:46:13.640 --> 1:46:17.120 used to me or James Lawrence climbing up in the 1:46:17.160 --> 1:46:20.639 tree on opening day, and I guarantee he just knew 1:46:20.640 --> 1:46:22.000 we were there and he didn't come in, and he 1:46:22.160 --> 1:46:25.280 come in really comfortable. When the day you did shoot him, 1:46:25.320 --> 1:46:28.280 Oh yeah, it was. It was if he can't smail 1:46:28.360 --> 1:46:30.560 you and don't think you're there, he's gonna be like 1:46:30.720 --> 1:46:33.280 just any other day. That's one that works so well. 1:46:33.479 --> 1:46:35.920 Is and that's why I used those drains to try 1:46:36.040 --> 1:46:37.880 to keep the bears from coming in behind me. Is 1:46:38.240 --> 1:46:41.360 those big bears are circling down there sniffing before they're 1:46:41.360 --> 1:46:43.400 coming in. They're not coming in blind. And here's the 1:46:43.479 --> 1:46:45.639 deal too, And the reality is even some of these 1:46:45.720 --> 1:46:48.880 bears that I might have fooled their nose when they 1:46:48.960 --> 1:46:50.519 come in there and they know you're there most of 1:46:50.560 --> 1:46:52.360 the time. This bear walked up to the base of 1:46:52.400 --> 1:46:54.080 my train and looked at me, and he did not 1:46:54.240 --> 1:46:56.519 win to me. He knew I was there. Somehow I 1:46:56.600 --> 1:46:58.160 had to let him turn and walk away from the 1:46:58.200 --> 1:47:01.680 stand to shoot him. Yeah, that's unusual, it did. I mean, 1:47:02.120 --> 1:47:06.120 and but had I been in there, I mean, you know, 1:47:06.200 --> 1:47:08.439 the wind wouldn't I don't know. I mean, he just knew, 1:47:08.520 --> 1:47:11.640 you know, bears are just smart. He may have just 1:47:11.720 --> 1:47:13.640 went by and checked that stand every day too. I 1:47:13.680 --> 1:47:15.200 don't know. On that day. I just happened to be 1:47:15.320 --> 1:47:17.200 in it before he came to you know, he would 1:47:17.240 --> 1:47:21.360 like circle down on that secondary point and it may 1:47:21.520 --> 1:47:23.120 just come up to the barrel, you know. Man, I 1:47:23.280 --> 1:47:26.160 tell you what a lot of people that I guess 1:47:26.160 --> 1:47:28.920 a lot of people that bait bears would understand this. 1:47:29.120 --> 1:47:34.760 But what we have like me following you guys bear 1:47:34.880 --> 1:47:39.280 baiting or bear hunting in Arkansas. Man, it it is 1:47:39.360 --> 1:47:43.519 a awesome thing to kill a big ball. They're like 1:47:43.640 --> 1:47:48.120 they're like a ghost, man. I mean, he's video. I 1:47:48.240 --> 1:47:51.360 think it's up on our It was on our DVD. 1:47:52.400 --> 1:47:56.800 Bear Horizon. I think Season one bear. He killed that 1:47:57.120 --> 1:48:00.439 five hundred four pound bear right there. And man, I'll 1:48:00.479 --> 1:48:03.559 tell you what, it's fun to kill big white tails, 1:48:03.640 --> 1:48:05.800 and it's fun to kill big elk. I've never done it, 1:48:05.880 --> 1:48:09.240 but I'm going to in three weeks. And those things 1:48:09.320 --> 1:48:12.280 can never be replaced. I mean, like this, it's it's 1:48:12.360 --> 1:48:15.439 like your kids, you know, it's like your kids love 1:48:15.560 --> 1:48:17.479 his white tail. Don't get wrong, you'd probably tell but 1:48:17.600 --> 1:48:19.640 looking into here, but a lot of bear stuff. But 1:48:19.960 --> 1:48:21.920 a bear makes your heart beat in a different way 1:48:22.000 --> 1:48:25.400 than a white tail. It does. And these big you know, 1:48:25.640 --> 1:48:28.560 when when I killed Batman two years ago, and that 1:48:28.680 --> 1:48:30.800 was the biggest bear I ever killed, and maybe the 1:48:30.880 --> 1:48:34.920 biggest bear I ever killed my life, it was it 1:48:35.120 --> 1:48:39.360 was a I felt like it was you know, those 1:48:39.560 --> 1:48:43.800 fleeting moments that you were in the presence of a 1:48:44.000 --> 1:48:48.599 true monarch of the woods are pretty special moments as 1:48:48.600 --> 1:48:52.280 a hunter, and they're quick. I mean like I hunted 1:48:52.360 --> 1:48:55.280 that bear for five years. I watched him with my 1:48:55.360 --> 1:48:59.559 own eyes for about thirty seconds, and you know, it's 1:48:59.760 --> 1:49:04.879 it's it's a pretty cool thing too to see those bears, 1:49:05.640 --> 1:49:08.240 you know, and people don't realize how big they really are, 1:49:08.680 --> 1:49:10.240 you know. I mean I think it's probably just like 1:49:10.520 --> 1:49:12.800 a mooze or whatever. They're huge, but I mean I've 1:49:12.920 --> 1:49:17.800 killed big bears before. And even you walk up on 1:49:17.840 --> 1:49:20.280 a five pound bear with the head that big land 1:49:20.320 --> 1:49:23.720 on the ground, it's just it's you're all struck. I 1:49:23.840 --> 1:49:26.000 am all struck. I don't not saying everybody would be, 1:49:26.120 --> 1:49:29.000 but and I've done it, and I'm just still like, Holy, 1:49:29.400 --> 1:49:32.479 can look how big this thing is? You know, I 1:49:32.600 --> 1:49:36.680 mean it's just impressive, you know, And there's just it's 1:49:36.680 --> 1:49:39.040 an interesting feeling. You know. We have a great, in 1:49:39.160 --> 1:49:41.479 my opinion of phenomenal resource shre in Arkansas to be 1:49:41.479 --> 1:49:45.519 able to hunt bears like this, you know. Uh, and 1:49:45.720 --> 1:49:49.280 so it's pretty cool I have that opportunity. Yeah, yeah, 1:49:49.479 --> 1:49:53.240 I agree. Well, guys, hey, we've uh we've pounded the 1:49:53.280 --> 1:49:56.040 ground pretty hard here, covered a lot of good stuff. 1:49:56.640 --> 1:50:01.400 So uh yeah, I really appreciate it. Thanks for sharing 1:50:01.479 --> 1:50:05.479 your wisdom. It's fun hanging to appreciate Shading Hill. Well, 1:50:05.920 --> 1:50:08.360 keep the wild places wild because that's where the bears live. 1:50:08.560 --> 1:50:09.120 That's your head