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Speaker 1: The official podcast of Federal Ammunition. Name is Clay Nukeleman.

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Speaker 1: I'm the host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll

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Speaker 1: also be your host into the world of hunting, the

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Speaker 1: icon and the North American Wilderness Prepare. We'll talk about tactics,

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Speaker 1: gear conservation. We will also bring you into some of

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Speaker 1: the wildest country on the planet, chasing fair. I want

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Speaker 1: to describe what this podcast is about and kind of

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Speaker 1: the style that we used on this podcast. If you've

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Speaker 1: listened to us very long, you know that we have

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Speaker 1: a lot of long form, conversational style podcast that don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily have a specific topic. Maybe we're interviewing and old

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Speaker 1: hunter or houndsman or a deer hunter or whatever. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: we have podcasts that are very technical and tactical, and

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Speaker 1: we try to just get down to business and really

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Speaker 1: educate people. That's what this is. So this podcast, I

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Speaker 1: have gathered up the best black bear hunters that I

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Speaker 1: know in where I live, Heath Martin, Ryan Greb, and

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Speaker 1: these guys have taken baiting bears to a whole another

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Speaker 1: level of expertise, and so we nerd out for an

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Speaker 1: black bears. And I think you can use this information

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Speaker 1: anywhere in the country that's legal debate. I think this

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Speaker 1: information would be valuable for spring hunters and fall hunters,

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Speaker 1: but most of what we're talking about is specifically fall hunting.

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Speaker 1: We talked about how to set up a bait, what

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Speaker 1: bait to use, how long do you bait, how do

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Speaker 1: I'll also think that even if you're not interested in

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Speaker 1: learned more about bair behavior from watching how they interact

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Speaker 1: have very limited understanding what bears do because it's just

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Speaker 1: go in the archives, and when somebody direct messages me

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Speaker 1: and say hey, Clay, I'm starting to bait and you

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Speaker 1: give any tips, I'm gonna send them this podcast. You

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Speaker 1: It's a It is a management tool and high effective

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Speaker 1: y'all rotate every other year, so you'll probably stay up

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Speaker 1: And then Heath, he has killed He's the only person

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Speaker 1: I've never had a mature board come here. Why am

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00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: I still baiting here? So we kind of abandoned that site,

429
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, in our reality, and killed just some meat

430
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: bears off the two that we had, and I had

431
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: to put as much work or bait somewhere that we

432
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: weren't really ever hunting. I mean, I did kill the

433
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: one bear there, but of all those years, that's the

434
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: only time we ever even hunted there, which one day

435
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: I hunted this one day four years and it was

436
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 1: the only bear. What are the characteristics of the good

437
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: sites that tend to draw big bears? Man, thickness? It's

438
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: just quietness, no intrusion. Quietness, you mean, like not a

439
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: county road half mile away. Bears like bed a lot

440
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: of times in low areas with lots of shade, preferably

441
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: maybe some damp, you know areas. But you know, each

442
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: piece of land has a story to tell, and it

443
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: may take you a couple of years to totally understand

444
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: how the animals move on this piece of ground. So

445
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: and in our reality, my opinion that too sometimes is

446
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a right answer to your question.

447
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think sometimes there's a spot almost like

448
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: a deer or fish, which there's usually a reason the

449
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: fish likes to be here versus even a big deer.

450
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: And that's all of our first love was dear, But

451
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: I don't know why there was never a big boar

452
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: in this one spot. To me, it was perfect right,

453
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: But there never was. And but then there's these two

454
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: other spots. It's like, I mean, every time a bear

455
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: comes in, not every bear, but there's always big boards.

456
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: And to me, they're all fairly similar in characteristics, you know,

457
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: so why I did the one never produced, but the

458
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: other two always had a mature and and and usually

459
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: the other two had multiple mature bears coming from you know,

460
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: maybe not by season, but throughout the bating time frame,

461
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: and you can kill one or two of them and

462
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: then another one next year. Next year, they'll be back here.

463
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it is one of the deals. Were

464
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: there all. We did a we did a last week.

465
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: We had a biologist on the podcast, and she was

466
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: talking about how the female bears, they're the ones that

467
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: they're mainly tracking in understanding what they're doing. And these

468
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: female bears will select to live in areas that are

469
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: is remote from human intrusion as possible, Like they don't

470
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: like roads, they don't like human houses, like if a

471
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: bear is not stressed, and obviously people have bears coming

472
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: to their houses and eating their trash cans and stuff

473
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: in the in the summertime and periods of stress, but

474
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: those bears want to be an unfragmented wilderness. And we'll

475
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: use the term wilderness, not as in capital wilderness like

476
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: capital w wilderness like federal land. That's but wilderness in

477
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: terms of wherever you live the most remote. If it's

478
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: in Michigan, it's gonna be the deepest, darkest swamp that

479
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: has the least human intrusion. If it's in Arkansas, it's

480
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: gonna be that rugged drainage that you know, has big

481
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: national forest on every side and it's just hard to

482
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: get to. And that's where theo that those are typically

483
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: the places that we're gonna be able to draw big bears.

484
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: And that's one reason the baiting in Arkansas when we

485
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: talk about sometimes they're not there come season, is that

486
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: way we can only bait on that private land. And

487
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: I think that's key because even though we find remote

488
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: land that we can bait on privately on, it's not

489
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: as remote as maybe in the summer or before the

490
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: acrons start falling, they're coming to that bait, but we

491
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: all know as soon as acren is falling, they're gone.

492
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: They're way back somewhere else in a more remote area.

493
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't think the acrons really even have to fall

494
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: off there's somewhat mature, and the trees are loaded. You

495
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: know they're going to climb to the climbing trees. I

496
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: bet fifty of the bears in the state of Arkansas

497
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: right now don't have their feet on the ground right

498
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: there in a tree right now evening. So that's what

499
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: makes it harder sometimes to keep these bears. When we

500
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: say on a bait, it's because it's not where. If

501
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: we could put it wherever we wanted to, they'd probably be.

502
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: If we get in Idaho, you bait on National Forest

503
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: and and we could put a bait out right where

504
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna want to be and have a better chance.

505
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: So we're limited and where we can bait them, so

506
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: we have a hard time holding them once the natural

507
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: mask becomes available. And we'll talk about some tricks that

508
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: we've all used to try to hold them. Okay, let's

509
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: talk about so we've established like and it's it's kind

510
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: of a no brainer. But for some people that are

511
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: just getting used to understanding bears, it's probably helpful to

512
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: hear us say the most remote place you can get.

513
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: If we could boil it down to something that's simple.

514
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: But okay, here's the next scenario. You got forty acres

515
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: that you can bait, okay, and you drive into that

516
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: forty acres down on a low creek and there's one

517
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: high knob on this place that's maybe connected to a

518
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: string of mountains. Um, my philosophy is that on that

519
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: forty acres, even where you put that bait is important,

520
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: Like you can't choose anywhere outside that forty acres. But

521
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: I have always been of the persuasion that higher it's

522
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: better than lower because of wind like more consistent winds.

523
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: And any time I've tried to bait down low the

524
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: evening time, thermals make it really hard. Have you guys

525
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: had different experience than that your baited and super high?

526
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: I agree with you Hucent to some degree, do you, well,

527
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: then you don't agree with the U I agree with you.

528
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: I do it probably a little different. And what and

529
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: the reason I did is if we want to dive

530
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: into that, like where you place your bait is my

531
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: most successful places I've learned. And I'm not talking to

532
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: hunt a bear. We're talking to kill the mature bear.

533
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: Because you have to out smartest notes just what you're

534
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: talking about, the thurtles and stuff. So the best way

535
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: I found to do it in where we hunt, the

536
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: way the ridges and stuff lay out is I always

537
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: and this forty acres may not have the perfect spot,

538
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: but if I had the perfect spot, here's how it

539
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: is for me. And the two that are most successful

540
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 1: for me are not exactly identical. The one of our

541
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: farm you've been to is not exactly perfect, but it's close.

542
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: The one that I killed this bear on is the

543
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: best spot I've ever been on. So I get on

544
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: the downhill side, not the bottom of the hill, but

545
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: I like to be on a secondary point that comes

546
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: off a main ridge, a short secondary point thirty or

547
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: forty yards. It just juts off and then it dives

548
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: off right and it's got deep drains on both sides

549
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: of this secondary point. And then it's always on the

550
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: north side of the mountain because we have south southwest

551
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: early fall early fall. But also the bigger thing, like

552
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: you talked about, was the thermals. So I always set

553
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: my baits up on the very end of this secondary

554
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: and not I'm sorry, not my bait, my stand. I

555
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: put the bait up on this secondary point, but I

556
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: set my stand on the slightly downhill side on the

557
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: very end of the secondary point where it's steep. And

558
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the bears can't come in below or

559
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: behind you, but it didn't there or their path, they're

560
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: most likely they're likely going to come down the main ridge,

561
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: go right around the head of the draw this way

562
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: or this way, come right onto this finger, and they're

563
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: always on the south side of you. And as soon

564
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: as the sun starts sitting behind the trees, the thermal

565
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: starts sucking your scent off that point down those two

566
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: draws down in the valley below. And if that's why

567
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: we hired him the brains man, So that's a good,

568
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: really good description. Typically the and the way you would

569
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: do that is because we're baiting on private property that's

570
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: really close to national forest. I mean usually the fence

571
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: ain't far, you know, fifty sixty yards, but we're on

572
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: private property. You're baiting here, you're the bears typically aren't

573
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: gonna be behind you in that situation anyway, because your

574
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: private properties down there, they're coming from this bigger block

575
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: of national forest, right and so they're coming from that direction.

576
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: So you get your uh south wind, then you get

577
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: your thermal shift and it sucks your sent off down

578
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: behind you, and I mean you rarely ever. I mean

579
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: as long as your winds right and your thermals are good,

580
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: you rarely ever gets winded. And that that's how I've

581
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: tried to set up all the two and in the

582
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: one of our farming exactly like that. We are on

583
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: the downhill that you've been to of a secondary point.

584
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: It's not as steep as I would want it, but

585
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: I don't have anywhere else to put it so because

586
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: we've run out of private property. Right. The theme of

587
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: what you're saying is is that you need to think

588
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: about where you're putting it back. You need to think

589
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: about I'm not down in the bottom bottom. I'm up high,

590
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: but I'm not on the tip of the ridge. I

591
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: get on the kind of the bottom into that secondary

592
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: point and have the thermal stuck my sin away and

593
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: down the drains behind me, and try to keep the

594
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: bears above me right. And then also you can be

595
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: twenty of you know, twenty foot in a tree and

596
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: your baits over here at eighteen yards. Well it's up

597
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: a little bit anyway, so it's just it ain't straight.

598
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: But I think it's worth saying that we're all hunting

599
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: in the evenings. Yeah, and bow during that time of

600
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: your tall bow. That's right, you know, if we've got

601
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: to be close and we are primarily hunting in the

602
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: evening time, I mean, like almost nine even do you

603
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: all your hunts in the evening. I've called you on

604
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: open morning to bear season and you were drinking coffee.

605
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the way I have to open a

606
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: day a bear season. I sleep in, we hunt him

607
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: in evening, and we do that on purpose because these

608
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: big bears are feeding overnight. And if you try to

609
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 1: slip it this this is a little bit off topic

610
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: from where to place a bait, but I wanna say,

611
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: because it's not in my notes. People all the time

612
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: ask me, well, maybe we would get into wind hunt.

613
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: If you're hunting a big bear, don't even risk hunting

614
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: him in the morning. Now, you might kill him in

615
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: the morning, but there's a better chance that you're gonna

616
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: spook him off the bait, or you're gonna spook bears.

617
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: And so all the big bears we've killed have been

618
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: in the evening time, and we choose not to hunt

619
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: in the morning because those bears are in there all night.

620
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: So if you're trying to slip in there with a

621
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,959
Speaker 1: flashlight before daylight. They're still debate. There's still at debate.

622
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: May not be the one you want to kill, but

623
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: there's a bear debate. You're gonna bump off there. It's

624
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: gonna make a noise and racket and going in there

625
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: and the dark, the flashlight the most unnatural thing you

626
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: could do, right And and even if you don't bump

627
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: the target bear, he that I'm pointing at a five

628
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: pound bear amounted over here. He got that big because

629
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: he took cues social cues from that bear is bedded

630
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty yards away. He hears a bear

631
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: wolf and run off and you know he goes down

632
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: when a check and he's like, yep, that fools into

633
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: tree stand. You know, we're talking about mature bears. But

634
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: certain people might just have access to flat ground, might

635
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: just be a pine timber stand and there's no kind

636
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: of features and you know, only maybe we'll drive right

637
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: to the side of the road and have to backpack

638
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: something in and not saying don't go try it, you know,

639
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's all you got, you gotta do,

640
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: but maybe understand the lay of the forest that's leading

641
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: in to this property to give you an idea where

642
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: you want to maybe put some bait and you know,

643
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: hanger stand. But yeah, not everybody's gonna have prime. Yeah,

644
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: And I'm just talking from experience on the property I hunt.

645
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: If you put me on a flat forty acres, I

646
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't know where to put the ba that's where,

647
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: And that's where these guys that like baite up in

648
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: Michigan and different places, Like they're using terrain features of

649
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: the swamp, like you know, they're backing up against a

650
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: big swamp that you know, the bears aren't gonna come

651
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: from that direction. And so the point of hearing the

652
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: Heath dissect how he sets up his bait sites is

653
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: that you can do the same thing on your land

654
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: for whatever it is, Like you just gotta think about it.

655
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: You can't. You don't set a bear if you want

656
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 1: to kill big bears, you don't set a bear bait

657
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: based upon ease of access for you. That's the biggest thing.

658
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: Like when I've helped people, it's like, man, we gotta

659
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: find a place I can drive the truck and it's easy.

660
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: And now granted that's nice, and most of the places

661
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: I can drive a truck where I go. But like

662
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: the point of it is not for you. The point

663
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: is where is that bear comfortable in the daytime? Because

664
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: you're asking that bear to do a lot a big bear.

665
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: You're asking him to come into a feeding area in

666
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 1: the broad daylight, in a place that he knows there's

667
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: a human involved. That's the thing that's so different about

668
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: this than deer hunting. A deer hunting situation, you know

669
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: that deer doesn't know there's a human around. Ultra ninja

670
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: stealth is what you're trying to do, especially if you're

671
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: not hunting over feet or something. But with this bear,

672
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: that big five pound bear knows there is a human involved.

673
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: You can't really hide that, at least around here when

674
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: it's so hot, and their nose is better than a

675
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: deer's nose, right, I mean, we've had this. This is

676
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: a whole another story. But you know, I know you

677
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: killed the big bear finally on the Red Knicks sent Typeline.

678
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: You know, for a few years, we had that conversation

679
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: for years. I'm like, Clay, the best way to kill

680
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 1: bears in a blind, But I'm not find a blind

681
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: just to go bear hunt, because you gotta full their nose.

682
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: So that's why I kind of did what I started

683
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: doing on the end of them points and ridges, was

684
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: just using the thermals as much as I could to

685
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: try to help my sin. But yeah, I mean you

686
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: gotta full their nose. And I mean these beards, I

687
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: mean they sit out there and listen. You know, this

688
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: bear here came up and just happened. I could see him,

689
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: you know, probably not thirty minutes but twenty minutes before dark,

690
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: and he just sat there like a dog just listen,

691
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, sixties seven out there, way out there, yeah,

692
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: a hundred yards probably a hundred and twenty. And then

693
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: it just had to be kind of an opening through

694
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: the woods that I catched him, you know. And then

695
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: he'd get up and I'm like, oh, here it comes.

696
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: He'd take like two steps, he'd sit back down, listen

697
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: and sniff around and listen, and you know, well, by

698
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: the time he came to a hundred yards is almost

699
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: a dark I couldn't see him, right, Well, I saw that,

700
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: But had I not seen that, I wouldn't have know.

701
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: You know, you wouldn't know. And they're just they're different

702
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: than a little two pounder that just comes walking in

703
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: because he wants see a donut the whole there personality.

704
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: So and he may I mean, and you know, he

705
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: may have been bedded just a hundred fifty yards all day.

706
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he could have been the whole time.

707
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: That is my my persuasion on what they're doing when

708
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: they're pounding a bear bait, going far far meant. So

709
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: last year we tracked a bear that we tracked a

710
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: bear that we didn't recover um and we we went

711
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: off of this bear bait and hit a bear trail

712
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: and this bear just went straight off the side of

713
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: the mountain. And I mean it was like following a

714
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: cattle trail and we're seeing this little specks of blood

715
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: and we pretty much knew this bear wasn't that hurt.

716
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 1: It was a it was a different hunter I was helping.

717
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: And that bear went right to a place that looked

718
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: like the bear holiday in Really it was down in

719
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: a super steep draw paw paw patch with boulders and

720
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: is the nastiest place on the side of that mountain.

721
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: And he had a spot war out on the ground,

722
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: I mean as big as you know, we're I don't know,

723
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: he spent a lot of time right there. It was

724
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: his bedroom two and fifty yards from the bait side,

725
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: and he just woke up, went to the bait, went

726
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: laid back down. He had no reason to go anywhere.

727
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm sure this bear is doing the same.

728
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: I didn't follow Australia, but he wasn't go on a

729
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: couple hundred yards, you know. And that's why this is

730
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: another topic. But being consistent on later your question. On

731
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: the opening day of season, they hear you when you

732
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 1: go bait them bat, I mean when you go bat

733
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: and stuff, and so if you're at a routine, they

734
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: can figure that out, you know, and it may just

735
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: cause them to come in thirty minutes later because they're

736
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: being extra cautious or something, you know. So I mean

737
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: I might when I go bait. Well, let's talk about

738
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: that baiting routine. That's a great that's a key key

739
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: point for killing big bears. Go ahead, Well, most debates

740
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: I set up are steeping rugged my two most cessed ones.

741
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: But I do have them set up because let me

742
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: kind of back up a little bit. The population has

743
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: gotten so large where we hunt most people I don't

744
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: think would believe us. But the last time I truly

745
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: baited hard. I had forty different bears hitting three bait sets.

746
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: So the sheer volume of bait. We have to put

747
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: out two feed forty bears for two weeks or thirty

748
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: days or whatever you decide to bait to try to

749
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: have one there come opening day. You can't carry all

750
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: that in. So I can't drive a truck to any well,

751
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: I can't drive a truck to anyone, but I can

752
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: drive a side by sat so and they get used

753
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: to that. You know, you go in there, you drive

754
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: the subpside. At my bait sets, I put two fifty

755
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: five gallon barrels of bait plumbfoil. You're stacking it on top.

756
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying every year is exactly like that,

757
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: But on a good baiting year, they're eating all that

758
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: in a couple of days. And you're saying good baiting year,

759
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: you mean not much mass baits really hard to absolutely

760
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: when there's a lot of activity at a bait you

761
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: know some years is gonna be less for the very reason.

762
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: But when you do hit it perfect and all the

763
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: bears are hitting your bait, man that year, I was

764
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: filling up that much bait every other day or it

765
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: was bones dry empty, not because I wanted to, It

766
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: was we had to put out that much bait to

767
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: keep bears coming. So I drive the sube beside and

768
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: there you beat and bang around you. I use metal

769
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: barrels just because I can chain them to the tree,

770
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: and they got the lid on bolt the ring down,

771
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: so they don't you know, right, And I'm not saying

772
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: it's the best. That's just what I do. But I'm

773
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: gonna do that on opening day. I'm not gonna have

774
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: Opening Day be a day I miss right. I'm gonna

775
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: get up, I'm wanna drink coffee whatever. At mid day,

776
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go check the but cameras to see if

777
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: my bears still coming. Was he there last night before dark?

778
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna refresh debait and make noise, just through my

779
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: normal routine, because just like we said, he's probably laying

780
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: out there if you're still there and hadn't left for

781
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: the mask crot yet, he's not far. I guarantee he

782
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: can hear that a TV. And you're banging on that

783
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: barrel when you are making putting that bait you're at.

784
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: So I don't really try to be quiet when I'm

785
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: putting that bait, don't I mean, I don't may not

786
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: trying to hide your sin. I don't try to maybe

787
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: make too much extra noise. But I bang around and

788
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: do my stuff and clink the barrel and hit it

789
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: with a stick sometimes. And I got a funny story

790
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: about that in canadaate. Uh So that's what I do.

791
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: Then we leave and then just try to slip in there,

792
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of hours before dark or whatever

793
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: time we want to go in that day. Then where's

794
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: stealth about getting in there at that time? You know?

795
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: But the middlen't want them to know. But the middle

796
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: of the day, I want him to thank just another day. Man,

797
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: he's come beating and banging. Barrels are full of donuts.

798
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go eat tonight. You have a lot of

799
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: your mature bears come in that evening the day you

800
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: Bathe see that's let me uh so, let me go

801
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: back to baiting routine and then then we can jump

802
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: right into the day. But I think when you're baiting

803
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: a bear, so you're you're trying to create this safe

804
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: zone where this bear feels comfortable coming into your bait.

805
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: And so the more consistent you can be the better,

806
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: like even in terms of timing, because what people run

807
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: into is that they have jobs and they can't bait

808
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: until like evening time. Um, you know, And I'm just

809
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: gonna describe best case scenario, and people can craft this

810
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: to fit their life. But I think this is pretty

811
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: best case scenario type stuff. Is that I only bait

812
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: my really good spots between about eleven and two during

813
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: the day. And I would rather miss a day of

814
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: baiting than to go in there at seven o'clock in

815
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: the evening and blow that bear out. I won't do it. Yeah.

816
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: So so it's like the more the more it's the

817
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: more predictable that you are, the more predictable your big

818
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: bears you're going to be there because if you if

819
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: he's in there strutting around at six thirty in the

820
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: afternoon thinking about what a great life he has and

821
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: all this bait, and for the last ten days you've

822
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: only been in there at mid day, and he's like, man,

823
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: that guy coming back to the bar, and then you

824
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: roll up on the side by side day after tomorrow. Yeah,

825
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,959
Speaker 1: you roll up and blow him out of there. Man,

826
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: you've spooked that now the tuner pound bear, that he's

827
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: gonna sit out there and watch. He doesn't care. That

828
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: guy right there pointing to the big bear over there,

829
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: he cares. He's probably consistency. He's either going nocturnal or

830
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: he's not coming back that time here. Now, you might

831
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: get away with that thirty days before season. Yeah, But

832
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: the closer we get the season and you get a

833
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: photo period coming into play, another stuff, he's gone. They

834
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: get touch here. That's a great point. They get touchy

835
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: at least here. Man. Like, right now, you could and

836
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: we could legally bait bears right now in Arkansas because

837
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: we're under thirty days out. You could go out right

838
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: now and make bear baiting look easy. That's right. You

839
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: can put out acrons aren't falling it. Yeah, I mean,

840
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: bears would just speak two weeks earlier and coming in

841
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: the daytime. And then the closer you get to that

842
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: end of September, more mass becomes available. These bears have

843
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: this in eight draw to want to get back into

844
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: their natural fall ranges. And boy, you mess up just

845
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: a little bit. You can screw the thing up with

846
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: the big bears. Absolutely, But so the timing stuff or

847
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: the consistency stuff, that's kind of my best ideas on

848
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: it is just be as consistent as possible. And if

849
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: you can only bait in the evening times, if you

850
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: work and you can only do it, just do it

851
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: the same every time, just don't you know, I mean,

852
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: just be consistent with whatever you do. You don't want

853
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: to surprise that bear. But that's my thoughts on it.

854
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: The last couple hours of daylight is their time, and

855
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: the last thing you want to do is have him

856
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: nervous or on his toes, you know, trying to win

857
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: constantly or yeah you don't. You don't want to ruin

858
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: that that time in the evening. Well we're it a

859
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: little bit out of order, but that's fine. Let's talk

860
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: about Heath brought up like the day of the hunt,

861
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: what do you and that was great. So you're gonna

862
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: go in and bait like normal, check cameras, bait, do

863
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: the normal stuff, because yeah, I just think being consistent

864
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: like that, because like I said on those I'm not

865
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 1: bating every day, I'm bating the least every other day,

866
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: you know. But and I usually try to time it

867
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: out where I don't bait the day before and I

868
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: do bait the day of season. So it's stays routine.

869
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: We're not saying that every year just depends on work

870
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: and stuff too, but um, yeah, I just think being

871
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: routine like that it's just key. Yeah. What about you, Ryan?

872
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 1: What do you do? I usually bait the day before

873
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: season rules in bait real heavy, uh for me and

874
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: where I'm hunting. It seems like the mature bears don't

875
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: want to come in as early. I mean some years

876
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: they do, but I've always done the day before season

877
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: bait real heavy the day of which you know, we

878
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: probably all got cell cameras out nowadays and not me.

879
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm a traditionalist. Yeah, I don't I understand, but you

880
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: know I usually go in here. What I said, I

881
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: just threw you under the bus. I said. You probably

882
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: use a crossbowt too, don't you know. I ain't that

883
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: old yet, but now usually, you know, slip in mid

884
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: day and I maybe a little stealthier than other people.

885
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 1: I will usually try to find a water puddle or

886
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: if not, I'll grind my boots even though what I

887
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: think they're clean. I will grind them in a cedar

888
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: limb or a pine limb, just a little natural cover

889
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: scent when I'm walking in which I have bears that

890
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: will come down my baiting path to the bait, you know,

891
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 1: depending on which way the wind is. But I won't

892
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,479
Speaker 1: touch any saplings, won't touch any foliage. My hands don't

893
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: touch anything but what I'm carrying. And I will ease

894
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: up at tree, just climb tree, stand without your hands. No, no,

895
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: I just feed only, feed only. But you know, elevator

896
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: No like a like a punch of button. And I

897
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: wish I don't own one of them rednext stands like

898
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: you like those rich guys. But now I slip in

899
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: just as quiet as a mouse, and you go ninja

900
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: on him on it. I do don't always work, but

901
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: that's just, you know, makes me feel better about time.

902
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: So what I have a trend I've seen Heath with

903
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: my bears is that I feel like the big bears,

904
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: like he's saying, we'll hit it hard. As the day

905
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: after I bait. I find a lot of times the

906
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: big ones on the day I'm there are more nervous

907
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: to come in. But the second day it's like plenty

908
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: of bait because they probably came in that night and

909
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: they know the barrels are full. So the next day

910
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: they're hammering it, you know, and so I usually I

911
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: usually like debait the day before full throttle, just make noise,

912
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: leave scent, and then slip in like a ninjut about

913
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: two o'clock, you know. And I usually that's why I

914
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: usually do like shooting light around that time of year.

915
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, it seems like it's getting dark about seven,

916
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: seven fifteen, and so I'll try to get in way

917
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: before peak movement. You know. It seems like I always

918
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: end up trying to get in there about two, well,

919
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: about three o'clock, and said, the last four hours, and

920
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: you know, the last hour is really when you're gonna

921
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: kill one. But you don't want to get in there

922
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: too late or you'll bump bears. Uh, quick question, do

923
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: y'all ever like have these rogue bears that just sometimes

924
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: they'll roll in at noon or one o'clock and big ones, Yeah,

925
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: big whoppers. You know, the booner I killed in two

926
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, two thousand sixteen, I never hardly got any

927
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: nighttime pictures of that bear. Daylight every hour of the

928
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: day he was guarding that bait site. I studied my

929
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: pictures for a long time, and from one o'clock to

930
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: two o'clock I never hardly get any pictures of him,

931
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: So I thought that opening day, I'm sneaking in right

932
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: at one o'clock and I want to ease in there

933
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: without bumping him off. He come in as I was

934
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: walking into the bait. Yeah, so I remember that you

935
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: shot him off the ground. Yeah. I was able to

936
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: took my boots off and socked feet and snuck up

937
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: there with the like nine yards and got airly in. Yeah. Yeah,

938
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: but you know everything that's unusual though, I'd say that's

939
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: highly unusual for a bit, especially at Boon. Every three

940
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: or four years, I always have this one mature bear

941
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: that just does something opposite of what it know what

942
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: that is really what we're trying to capitalize on. It's like,

943
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: you can bait for ten years. In three of those years,

944
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a bear that just really cooperates. Yeah,

945
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: there rest time. It's just they're all like humans. They

946
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: all have their own personality and the way they want

947
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: to do things. You know, they're all different and they

948
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: all and I think a lot of it depends on

949
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: what people may not think about, is their previous experience

950
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: at a baits that somewhere else exactly now our baits

951
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: that probably if he's that old, that bear was nine,

952
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: but on that bear was way older. They've been debates

953
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: that somewhere before. You know, how many human encounters have

954
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: they had on bait? Have they been shot at before

955
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: and missed or run off to or three times with

956
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: a n a TV or you know who knows? So

957
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: in their mind, we don't know what they're thinking because

958
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: we don't have a clue what first off, how old

959
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: they even are, and how many years of experience they've

960
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: had at somebody else's bait who don't know maybe what

961
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: they're doing or is not as careful or whatever. You know,

962
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't know. Yeah, Well, what we

963
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 1: do know is that they they program, they understand your patterns,

964
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 1: probably better than you understand your own. Well, that's why

965
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: I talked about the consistency. Yeah, baiting on time, making

966
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: the noise, and it makes them comfortable slide you know,

967
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, absolutely, I agree. I mean I killed

968
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: a bear and alberta one year. One day we weren't

969
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: seeing anything, and uh, I climbed out of the tree

970
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: and got a stick and banged on the barrel and

971
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: climb back and standing before I got to stand bear

972
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: come walking in. You know, there wasn't no bait in it,

973
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: but I banged on the barrel with the stick, and

974
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: they were conditioned to that noise that somebody'd been there

975
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: to bait. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, I'm about to go

976
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: bang on the sparrel. I'm talking not seeing nothing. Yeah,

977
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: And it worked then it wouldn't you know. I'm not

978
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: saying it's gonna work every time you do that. Yeah,

979
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. You know, everybody's bears are gonna respond

980
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: different tube based upon where they're at. I mean, like

981
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: those Canadian bears are like, especially the willerscious right, they're

982
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: no's cautious. These bears down here are gonna be pretty cautious.

983
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: A lot of places in the US where people are baiting, Maine, Michigan, Idaho.

984
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: I mean you almost had to hunt these bear like deer,

985
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 1: you know. But when Canada, boy, you can just about

986
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: anything goes and if you're hunting younger. But you know,

987
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: I remember one time we called in a bear in

988
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: Arkansas by called in. I got my air quotes up here,

989
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: Me and a buddy, we're hunting, uh Lee Walt, my buddy,

990
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: Lee Walt. We're hunting, and we hunted the morning that

991
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: years when I first he just could only hunt one

992
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: day or something. We hunt. We did hunt the morning.

993
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: He just wanted a bear and we didn't have a

994
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: big bear at this bait. We just had average bears.

995
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: We went in there in the morning, it's out there

996
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: for an hour and a half, didn't see any bears,

997
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: and I said, stay here. I climbed out of the tree,

998
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: went and got the truck, drove the truck in there,

999
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: slammed the door, drove the truck back out, walked back in,

1000
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: and in twenty minutes eat shot a bear. Bear came in.

1001
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he thought, you know, it's your routine. He thought,

1002
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: you just made it the barrel just like hogs on

1003
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: a feeder. You know, when it spins here they come.

1004
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: So that wouldn't have worked on five pound bears though

1005
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have worked at all. Hey, this is this

1006
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: is all good stuff. Let's march down our list. So

1007
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: how far in advance you gutts start feeding bears. Some

1008
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: states have regulations that you can only you know, you'll

1009
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: need to check your rags on the states like here

1010
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: in Arkansas can bait thirty days before season in Oklahoma.

1011
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: There's no regulation on season. In Idaho. I believe some

1012
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: of those places out there you can only bait like

1013
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: seven days before season. But what's your thoughts a new bait?

1014
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: Probably as soon as possible. Okay, we'll see check inventory

1015
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: established baits. It's been there for years and years. You know,

1016
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: bears are already there. You know, two weeks, three weeks,

1017
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: that's should be ample, because it seems like like the

1018
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: rational thought would be, well, I'm gonna bait him as

1019
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: long as possible. If if you can start baiting in June,

1020
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start baiting in June. But there's a law

1021
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: of limited return, you know on a deal like this,

1022
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: Like there's a sweet spot because I found y'all tell

1023
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: me if you've we've all had these conversations together over

1024
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: the years, but it's all kind of blurred together. I

1025
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: feel like it's hard to keep a single big bear

1026
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: for much more than about ten to fourteen days. I've

1027
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: never had a five hundred pound bear that just stayed

1028
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: on my bait for thirty straight days. They'll burn out,

1029
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: just like you. I mean, you don't want to eat

1030
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: steak every single that of the week. I mean, you

1031
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: know most people don't, you know, I mean, you can

1032
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: only eat Chinese buffet so many nights, weak, right, I mean,

1033
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: whatever it is, So yeah, I agree, I think they

1034
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: do get burnt out. I think there's a little more

1035
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: technical set of that question. For me. Is is based

1036
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: on wind, season is and when the mask falls. To me,

1037
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: you have to start baiting long enough in advance to

1038
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: get the bears on there before the mast falls first

1039
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: rat So then if the mast is falling or where

1040
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: we are acorns when I say mass, that's our mask,

1041
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: you know. But if I don't get him there before,

1042
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: then I'm probably not getting him there right. So you know,

1043
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: we've had seasons varying and opening dates throughout history. So

1044
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: my process that's kind of changed based on that. So

1045
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: now the way the season structure is, I would probably

1046
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: try to bait a little longer than previously, just because

1047
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: I know I gotta I gotta get them there before

1048
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: they can fall, and then I got to try to

1049
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: hold them all the way to season. Right. If not,

1050
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: if the season was a little earlier and I knew

1051
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: I only had some I mean I knew I had

1052
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: then X amount of days before season, I would do

1053
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: it as short, you know, two weeks. Really, like he said,

1054
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: established baits if they can ain't falling, you know, a

1055
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. I mean, really, thirty days is just

1056
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: too much time. You had a scenario one year. I

1057
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: remember when we were both trying to do these shorter

1058
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: baits when you didn't have bears, so you we you

1059
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: kind of got burned. But I remember that year because

1060
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: we were talking about it. We're like, man, we're just

1061
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: gonna bait ten days now. I don't think I ever

1062
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: had a bear command, and so the bears that already

1063
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: they may have heath, they may have even moved off

1064
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: to other baits. True, somebody started bating before you, or

1065
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, even an established bait. That may be because

1066
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: of season changed the year or two before. We had

1067
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: started bating at x date. And then now we're well,

1068
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm only ten days before season, but the season was

1069
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: two weeks later. You're saying, we've season that roll two

1070
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: week period. So the bears may have came by before

1071
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: we started baiting. They're nothing here. I'm going down to

1072
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: the southern bait, right. So I think it depends. Actually

1073
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: answered your question, I don't want to have to bait

1074
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: any bear thirty days because with the volume bears we have,

1075
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: they just take too much bait to keep them there.

1076
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: Here's the answer, the least amount of time you can, Yeah, exactly,

1077
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: but I mean you don't. But you have to do

1078
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: it early enough to get your bears on your bats right.

1079
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: So that's the key at all. We're all working inside

1080
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: of a real world where none of us just have

1081
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: it's not our full time job debate bears. So it's

1082
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: like you have a limited amount of bait. There's only

1083
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: so much bait you've got, there's only so much time

1084
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: you've got. There's only you know. So it's like finding

1085
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: that sweet spot in some of the places Ryan's got.

1086
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: I think he could probably go in five days before

1087
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: season and put out a bait better spots and staying

1088
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: baits that have been a state of sever many years. Absolutely,

1089
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: as long as the akrons aren't following. I think a

1090
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: lot of guys, especially some of these guys that's just

1091
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: getting into it, they want to look at pictures and

1092
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: the baiting process that's part of the fun, that's part

1093
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: of it, and they want to see bear pictures as

1094
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: soon as possible. And you can't and you know that yeah,

1095
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean everybody wants to do that. Yeah, but you know,

1096
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: if if it's somewhere you know there's gonna be bears,

1097
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: and say you've already been in there and done your

1098
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: tree standing work, trimmed out some lanes or something. You're

1099
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: already seeing padded doubt trails and stuff, so you know

1100
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: there's to me, there's no reason to go ahead and

1101
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: start baiting thirty days, four seasons. But if a guy

1102
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: who just wants to kill a bear, then by all

1103
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: means do it. But when we're talking about four five sick,

1104
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: hundred pound bears, here's the here's the best case scenario.

1105
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: If I go to some one of my baits and

1106
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: I put out a bait on August twenty nine and

1107
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: I see my target bear show up there the day

1108
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: I put out bait, I kind of cringe a little bit.

1109
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be there, and I'm just like, what

1110
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: are the chances I want to hold him for a month.

1111
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: Best case scenario, and this has happened many times, is

1112
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: my target bear shows up about a week before season,

1113
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: after I've been baiting for about ten days or two weeks,

1114
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,919
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, I told him for a week.

1115
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: You know that's ideal. Um, So I had got even

1116
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: more ideal is two or three days before. This was

1117
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: a long story. Back when I very first started, I

1118
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: shot and didn't recover a big bear several years ago,

1119
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: one the only times I've ever had this happen, and

1120
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: he showed up. And I can go through pictures and

1121
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: show you this too, but at least for me, I

1122
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: don't know what you guess. See, but if a big

1123
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: bear comes to my bait whenever the first time he

1124
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: comes to the bait that year, I guarantee you he'll

1125
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: be there in daylight the next day. Every time I

1126
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: had the big bear I shot show up. We'd baited

1127
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and there wasn't really any big

1128
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: bears that you're kind of odd. A big bear showed

1129
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: up the night before season and he and the only

1130
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: reason I knew that was I went in the first

1131
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: day season when ahead and baited midday, checked cameras, pulled

1132
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: the card on my Holy cal there's a big bear.

1133
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: He came in right after dark. I don't ever may

1134
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: have been the middle of the night, but he came

1135
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: in that night first time and been there. And I'm like,

1136
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: that bear be here in daylight today, I guarantee you.

1137
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: So we were planning on hunting somewhere else. Totally switched

1138
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: a game plan and I did shoot the bear, but

1139
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: it was back when I was I was twenty five

1140
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: feet in the tree and he was right here, and

1141
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: I I hed. Yeah, I wasn't a fatal shot. It

1142
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: was a rookie mistake. Young bear hunter still kind of

1143
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: learned what to do, you know. And so I he

1144
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: was a big He wasn't five hundred, but he was

1145
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: probably four d he was. Yeah, I remember he was

1146
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: a big bear. So I see that too. So you're right.

1147
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,439
Speaker 1: I mean, if you could time it out to where

1148
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: season stars just two or three days after them big

1149
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: bears get there, I think your chance of killing them.

1150
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: That's happened. That seems to happen pretty regularly. Uh, A

1151
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: big bear they killed in Oklahoma the first year. That

1152
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: was the first year I hunted over there. But uh,

1153
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: I called it a no name bear because he showed

1154
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: up the day before season. I didn't have a name

1155
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: for him. I had, you know, all these other bears

1156
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: that I knew, and they were big bears, and uh,

1157
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: he was. He came in the Opening Day like nothing.

1158
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: You know, I've also had an Opening day bear bite me,

1159
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: not literally, but two years ago, No, last year, when

1160
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: I was hunting with the river at the mule bait,

1161
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: which is a remote bait we used our mules to access.

1162
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: We showed up Opening day and that morning at ten o'clock.

1163
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: Were there at like one o'clock. We've wrote our mules

1164
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: in there and I checked the card and there is

1165
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: a monster that showed up that morning at ten o'clock

1166
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: and stayed at debait. And I told driver, I said

1167
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: that bear will be here. I mean he's he's within

1168
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: two or fifty yards. I was right now. The problem

1169
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: was is that it was his first time to debate,

1170
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: and we hadn't been there in two or three days.

1171
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: So he came into that bait and never smelled a human,

1172
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: and he came in. We watched him. I saw him.

1173
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: He came in at like three thirty and got forty

1174
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: yards down the wind of us, smelled us, and never

1175
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: came back to the bait again. Now, if he had

1176
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: been there and three hours after we had baited three

1177
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: days before and he had been like, huh, there's a

1178
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: human over here, but look at this good food. Do

1179
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: you see the scenario. I mean, like he it was

1180
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: a perfect timing for him to nail us out of

1181
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: your control or to that. But so you you you

1182
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: want them. These big bears have to know. And in

1183
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: that particular spot that was so remote, those bears acted

1184
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: like Canadian bears almost a big bear that river shot

1185
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: and didn't recover, smelled us, looked at us in the

1186
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: tree and just shrud it in like nothing. He just

1187
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,439
Speaker 1: kind of cautiously came in down wind that color phase

1188
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,959
Speaker 1: bear like anyway. That wasn't normal either. He usually would

1189
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: have winded us and left. He winded us. It was

1190
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: just kind of like very up in the tree. But anyway,

1191
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: pretty wild. That's odd though. You're not gonna have that

1192
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: happened very often. That's odd. And you kick yourself because

1193
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: you're like, man, we should have done something different, but

1194
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: you don't know. I mean, I just don't happen very often, right, Okay, man,

1195
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: this is a great discussion. Okay, let's talk about what

1196
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: type of bait, what type of bait, what do you

1197
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: put out? Whatever you can come up with. I will

1198
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: say in the fall, you're probably gonna try to do

1199
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: more carbo hydrates. Than anything. That's what they're geared forward

1200
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: and the falls to put on. You still use beavers

1201
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: quite a bit here, not as much. I tell you what.

1202
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: When the bait's hot and heavy, you got lots of

1203
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: bears coming in, they will just carpet bomb up beaver carcass.

1204
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: But if there's not a lot of bears and that

1205
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 1: thing starts doing rancid it, they don't like it. It's

1206
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: vice versas in Canada. I mean them guys will use

1207
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: rancid meat up bear and the bears are just distroy

1208
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: feast on it down here. Once you get some stink

1209
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: to it and maggots and you just got a big mess.

1210
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. But on the years where there's not a

1211
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: lot of masks and they're hammering your baits, if you

1212
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: got a beaver carcass, man, it's icing on the cake. Yeah,

1213
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: I see, I would have u Now, I've never I've

1214
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: never put a beaver out in Arkhams so, but I've

1215
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: heard of guys doing it and bears not hitting it here.

1216
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: Now in Canada they'll go crazy. But okay, walk me

1217
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: through what you put on your bait. Just just list

1218
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: out the stuff. Uh, pastries, mostly pastries, Just like doughnuts.

1219
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: You're getting donut bread, bread that you're this, you know,

1220
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: bread from a thrift store or something, white bread, wheat bread, bagels,

1221
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: peter bread. Like people ask these kind of questions. We

1222
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: we know because we've filtered through it all for other

1223
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: of you. But any of that stuff they'll eat. Yeah,

1224
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to interest you know, corn dog food

1225
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: whatever a ga. Okay, now you're the one that taught

1226
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: me about a corn barrel. So Ryan will have probably

1227
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: two metal barrels, and we'll go ahead and say all

1228
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: of us are using metal barrels. I'm cutting the eight

1229
01:07:54,760 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: inch hole above the lowest ring, trying get a barrel

1230
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: that's got a top, like he said that you can

1231
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: screw together and you were just chaining that to a tree.

1232
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: Or you can put eyebolts off the back of this

1233
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: barrel and chain it to a tree. That's there's no

1234
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: secret to that. Some places you can't use metal barrels.

1235
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: You gotta use stumps and stuff like a natural or

1236
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 1: like a natural so you know, check your regulations. Most

1237
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: places you can use metal barrels. Plastic barrel is just

1238
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: the same, but plastic barrels usually the lid is not

1239
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: as good as usually so, or they don't have a

1240
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 1: removable lid. Anyway, we're all using metal barrels. Just cut

1241
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: use the saws off and just cut about eight inch

1242
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: hole down towards the bottom. But ryan, Um, We'll take

1243
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: a fifty five gallon drum, a two inch circular metal saw,

1244
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: put two inch holes maybe seven or eight around the

1245
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: base of that barrel, eyebolt coming off the back of

1246
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: the with some big washers and an eyebolt, chain it

1247
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: to a tree. Fill it with three pound as a

1248
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 1: corn and pour about two gallons of grease with Northwood's

1249
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: gold rush in it, and you have a a corn

1250
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: roller barrel when everything else is gone, that's still gonna

1251
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: be there, just to keep them interesting, because they'll they'll

1252
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: they'll they'll high grade debate, they'll go, they'll hit and

1253
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: different bears are different. But you know they're probably gonna

1254
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 1: eat the doughnuts and the bread and the sardines or

1255
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: whatever you put out first. And then if they just

1256
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: pound it, you still got this grease barrel that they'll

1257
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: come in and roll around. And last year it takes

1258
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: it takes more time to Yeah, they get a roll

1259
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: it around a little bit falls out. Yep, yep. And

1260
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, certain years it's better than others. Like I said,

1261
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: when there's not much natural food, they will pound the corn.

1262
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: But some years they don't want to touch it as much.

1263
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: You know, it varies from year to year. Yeah, okay,

1264
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: so bread, grease, dog food, dog food, old sweets. I've

1265
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: used gum worms, skittles. Uh, yeah, you name it. I mean, heath,

1266
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,600
Speaker 1: what do you use the same thing? I mean, I

1267
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, there for a few years we were going

1268
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 1: in and buying semi truckload up sweech. You know, so

1269
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: it changed a little bit. The best I've ever found

1270
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: was donuts. They loved donuts, but you can't get an

1271
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: unlimited supply. One year, the year I killed that bear

1272
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: right there. A matter of fact, they had put in

1273
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 1: a new Dunkin Donuts where I lived at the time,

1274
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 1: brand new, and they did not know how many donuts

1275
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: a day they needed to make, And they were literally

1276
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: throwing away half a truckload trash bag full of donuts

1277
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: every night because they were cooking too many donuts. You

1278
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: could just go buy and get them out of dumpster.

1279
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: So one year I had like for a short time,

1280
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 1: it didn't last long because they figured it out. But

1281
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: I had like this unlimited supply of every kind of donut.

1282
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: You can imagine that Duncan Donuts found the bird nest

1283
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: on the ground. I mean it was unreal and but yeah,

1284
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: the same thing. I mean, I still you know, then

1285
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: where were you? And cookies and Oreo cookies with the

1286
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: cream filling worked really good, some of the ice cream

1287
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: sandwich cookies. Where we are, I don't use corn as much.

1288
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: I don't think my bears and I think a lot

1289
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: of it's where you are, obviously, and the timing of

1290
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: season to you, um so early New Year. Yeah, they're

1291
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: hitting corn right now. You can just come pour a corn.

1292
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: And I mean you can't even get pictures of your

1293
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: deer right now because the bears right. But the closer

1294
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: we get the season, yeah, I'd do the same thing

1295
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,440
Speaker 1: I do, kind of similar to what Rynd does with popcorn.

1296
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: Though we were getting the big cherry popcorn or caramel

1297
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:40,560
Speaker 1: popcorn for in a quasi roller barrel that might have

1298
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: a bigger hole in it, but i'd like chain it

1299
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: to the tree on it just a rubber barrel. I'd

1300
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: still have my two main metal drums full of the

1301
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: regular stuff, but i'd feel it full of that candy

1302
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: popcorn and the same thing. They could roll it around,

1303
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: get some the popcorn out, and it's interesting. They're like

1304
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,560
Speaker 1: humans to me. The one in year I had a

1305
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: low rider, you remember him for a couple well to

1306
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: three years, big big, big chocolate bear, biggest tacolate bear

1307
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: I ever seen in Arkansas, and another big bear coming.

1308
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: One of those bears and I can't remember which now.

1309
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: I loved the popcorn. One of them would never eat it.

1310
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 1: He would always eat other big barrels. So it is

1311
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 1: personality to me too. Somebars like some things and some

1312
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: beards don't, just like the way we do, you know.

1313
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: So a lot of that's just you need to research.

1314
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: Check the game cameras and see what he's eating, you know.

1315
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: And if this one bear and he's not eating the

1316
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: popcorner all the time, and he's the one that you're

1317
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: wanting to kill, you need to maybe try to start. Well,

1318
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: he likes I mean, I know he likes this more.

1319
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: I need to keep more of this because I want

1320
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 1: him to be coming in right. But so, yeah, donnuts

1321
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: are my favorite, but you just can't ever get enough

1322
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 1: Don't nuts spread grease, you know, one of the things

1323
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: I used one for a few years. I had a

1324
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: good connection to you know, you talk about friar all

1325
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: and just grease. But I had a friend that had

1326
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: a barbecue you restaurant, and he had his big pits

1327
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: smoker in the restaurant and he smoked a whole new

1328
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: meat every night for the next day's meals. And he

1329
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: had a big, huge spicket on the back side of

1330
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: this big uh smoker that all the grease and drippings

1331
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: would run out into a five gallon bucket and it

1332
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, you'd want to dip a biscuit

1333
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: in it, and it was it was barbecue trippings did

1334
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,560
Speaker 1: oh it was. It smelled so good you don't have

1335
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: to admit it. Yeah, And so for there for a

1336
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: few years too, I would have him start by taking

1337
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: buckets with leads that he could put on it good

1338
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: and start stack, you know, stalking up on that. And

1339
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: it had a really good strong odor. And you know,

1340
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: we'll talk about grease too, but grease gets on their

1341
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: feet and they track it back in the woods, and

1342
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: the central component I felt like some sort of grease,

1343
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: I mean, and even if it's just greasy but warmarn't.

1344
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: You're pouring it on the ground even to get on

1345
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: their feet, so they track it off. Another bear is

1346
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: gonna smell it and follow that track back in. So

1347
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: it helps the other bears in there and find your

1348
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: bait a lot quicker in my opinion. Well, not only

1349
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: was I doing that, but they loved this grease because

1350
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: it was actually dripping set of smoke pit, so you

1351
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: can put if I didn't have doughnuts, I had the

1352
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: day old bread store stuff. You could fill the bread

1353
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 1: stop it in. This dripping is right out of the

1354
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 1: smoke pit. Holdly cow. They love that. So I'm sure

1355
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: it's like anybody else in my experience. Every year, I

1356
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: don't always have access to the same thing. Yeah, you

1357
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 1: kind of got because it's hard to get. Yeah, you know,

1358
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 1: baits hard, it is, and a lot of people don't

1359
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,799
Speaker 1: want to. You know. I was getting pastries and stuff

1360
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: at a day old bread store one time for quite

1361
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: a while. Well, they got to where they didn't want

1362
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: to sell them to you because some guy bottom and

1363
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: went and sold them to somebody, you know, and they

1364
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: didn't want to get sued for somebody eating a bad pastry,

1365
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: you know, So then they would stop giving the bear hunters.

1366
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: Well we were, I mean, we're having to buy and

1367
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: they weren't giving them to this, but they just stopped

1368
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: giving them sore like, well, heck, there goes my whole

1369
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,560
Speaker 1: supply of pastries. I gotta find some somewhere else. You know,

1370
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: I've got a huge undertaking. I've got a tip for

1371
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: people trying to get bait from like commercial places, whether

1372
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: it's a donut store, where it's a thrift store, because

1373
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: people always want to know what you're gonna do with it,

1374
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: and you don't don't lie to them. But feed bread.

1375
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: That's what I asked for when I call thrift stores,

1376
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: like do you'all have feed bread? Because a lot of

1377
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: people buy this stuff for livestock, and so you know,

1378
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: I don't ever lie, but you know I've been I've

1379
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: learned from some good people over the years that you

1380
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: want to give as much information away as you need,

1381
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: because I have for sure. Early on, I remember buying

1382
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 1: bread and be like, man, we're baiting bears, and I

1383
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: mean it's dried up before because of that. Uh yeah,

1384
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: so feed bread. That's a good way to say a

1385
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: lot of people feed livestock and pigs and stuff with

1386
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: that stuff. Hey, let me tell you what I would do,

1387
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 1: just in real short because to me, this isn't people

1388
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 1: think this is like the magic bullet to killing a

1389
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: big bear. Is what kind of bait you use? I don't.

1390
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: I think it's a puple of notches down. I think

1391
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: it's less important if you have quality bait. Um. Basically,

1392
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: you gotta feed him what they'll eat. This is what

1393
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: I'll do on the first time that I bait, which

1394
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: will probably be in the next ten days, sometimes all

1395
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: by fifty pounds of cheap dog food. I'll have five

1396
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: gallons of of grease, which, depending on what I can get,

1397
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: I may go to Walmart and buy three or four

1398
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: gallons of maybe just three or four gallons of canola oil,

1399
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: and I will put my Northwoods gold Rush in that

1400
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 1: brand new canola oil. Uh. Then I'll have my feed

1401
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: bread from the thrift store, which is just gonna be

1402
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: a conglomeration of wheat bread, white bread, whatever I've got,

1403
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: and I will pour a fifty got five gallons or

1404
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: a fifty pound bag of dog food in that barrel,

1405
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: and it'll fill that barrel up almost to the bottom

1406
01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: of my whole because I've got I cut that whole above,

1407
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, about fifteen inches up from the bottom, so

1408
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 1: they'll be dog foot food down there. I'll pour some

1409
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: grease on that dog food, maybe half a gallon gallon

1410
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,799
Speaker 1: of grease, and then i will literally stuff that barrel

1411
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: full of bread, so much so that I'm having one

1412
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: of my kids or me jump on the bread to

1413
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: compress it down into that bait barrel. And we'll put

1414
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how many pounds of bread you can

1415
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: put in there, but a lot, probably two pounds of bread,

1416
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 1: and then I'll put the lid on that thing, and uh,

1417
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: if depend upon if it's a really good bait that

1418
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: I anticipate bears pounding, I'll probably do that a second

1419
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,560
Speaker 1: time with another barrel, and then I'll fill up my

1420
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: corn roller barrel. I'll set my camera in a bare box.

1421
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: You gotta have a bare box, and you're gonna you

1422
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: might as well get up get a camera you can

1423
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 1: put in a bare box because the bears are they

1424
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 1: may not destroy it, they're just curious. They're gonna knock

1425
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: it around and they're gonna turn it sideways. And I'd

1426
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 1: say there's about a forty percent chance they're going to

1427
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 1: destroy it. Yeah. Yeah, I have people that say, man,

1428
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 1: I've never had bears messed with it. It's just a

1429
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: matter of time if you do it much special, if

1430
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,799
Speaker 1: you've got quality cameras, and if you have good cameras

1431
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: they cost a lot of money today. You know you

1432
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: want to protect them. So I actually found double A

1433
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: batteries and bears scat before I have no kiddens, I'll

1434
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 1: be darn well, that's my that's my baiting typically what

1435
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: I'd made. One thing to add kind of on Ryan's point,

1436
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't run used to use the beavers, and or

1437
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: still do. Sometimes you talked about going rancid, you know,

1438
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,559
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we've talked about and or I've done

1439
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: sometimes if you want to hold the bear another a

1440
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: few more days and try to keep him there, and

1441
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: I don't mean a bear, a big bear. You can

1442
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: add beef scraps or beef fat or something a little

1443
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 1: different to their diet and they don't get a lot

1444
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: of meat here at And I've tried that and I

1445
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 1: do think it works. But I also agree with run.

1446
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 1: You got to be very careful because the moment that

1447
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: goes rancid, they stop it. Our bears here do not

1448
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: want rancid meat. Bears are all for tunists. You know,

1449
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: they're kind of cumbersome. They don't get to eat red

1450
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 1: meat real often. So when there is, but if you

1451
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: put too much, here's here's the bad scenario. If you

1452
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 1: go in there and they're hammering it and you put

1453
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of bait or say a bunch of meat

1454
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 1: scraps on top to bait and just coincidentally the acor

1455
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: and start following that night. Yeah, who you gotta miss

1456
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: on your hands and then and then it just it's nasty,

1457
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 1: so you gotta be careful. But Clay, you know, pork

1458
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: or beefs fat with no meat on it, just the fat.

1459
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: But that you were reading my notes, he because that's

1460
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: what I was going to talk about. I feel like,

1461
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: and we've all had this conversation. Is that a key

1462
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: to holding a bear I think can be too strategically

1463
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: add something new just before season that intrigues them a

1464
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 1: little bit. And I'll walk you through a scenario I've

1465
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: I've had this happen multiple years, baiting a big bear

1466
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: and he you know, because you get the season, the

1467
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,640
Speaker 1: more nocturnally becomes. Unless he comes to your bait, and

1468
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:12,679
Speaker 1: if you can put something new out there that he's

1469
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 1: not seen, that he likes, you'll have a chance of

1470
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: keeping him around a little bit longer. So usually what

1471
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: I do is I'll buy. You can go to just

1472
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: about any butcher, like custom butcher, and buy fifty pound

1473
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: box of pork fat or beef fat frozen to be real, neat,

1474
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: nice little box, fifty pounds for five to thirty five dollars.

1475
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not expensive, and then strategically put that

1476
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,640
Speaker 1: out with your bait like I put it right on

1477
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 1: top of the barrel. I would go in and bait

1478
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: just like I described, and then just put it on

1479
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: top of the barrel. And I've seen bears come in

1480
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: and not eat a doughnut, not eat corn, just carry

1481
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,560
Speaker 1: off a big slab of fat. You can do it

1482
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 1: with beef tremans to like you might be able to

1483
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 1: go to butcher and get beef. I one time watched

1484
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: a bear come in, walk past donuts, walk past corn,

1485
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 1: and start crunching beef bones. It was just that time

1486
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: of year, it was just like two weeks before it

1487
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: would have probably ignored that meat and it would have

1488
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: ate donuts and corn and dog food. It could have

1489
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: caurred less about this point though. We had been eating

1490
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: those carbohydrates for a couple of weeks on ten days

1491
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 1: or whatever, and then you've switched to this new source

1492
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 1: of protein or meat and they're like, wow, this is

1493
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: this is awesome. Man, that's right. I looked. I'm coming

1494
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: back to this Chinese in my face for a couple

1495
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: more days. And that's all you need. You're just trying

1496
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 1: to get him to hang on. And so for sure,

1497
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: always the time before that I bait. The last time

1498
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: I bait before season. Man, I'm putting some good stuff

1499
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: out and I'll tell you the l primo bait that

1500
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 1: I have never ever ever witnessed a bear not eat.

1501
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: Don't tell it, don't tell him. You're right, I'm not

1502
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 1: gonna tell them. They're gonna have to go to our

1503
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: pay for a podcasts to get this one. Now. Sardines,

1504
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: I have never not seen a bear eat at Cannas Sardines.

1505
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: I've seen him walk past corn, doughnuts, dog food, beef meat.

1506
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 1: Any I mean, like you know, blueberry pie. I don't know.

1507
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 1: I've never seen one walk over at Cannas Sardines. Maybe

1508
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 1: they have but it's like gold to them. So the

1509
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 1: day before season, I usually put out a lot of sardines,

1510
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 1: and I and I put those out throughout the year,

1511
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 1: me and James Lawrence. James is pretty good at finding

1512
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: these like bargain sardine deals. And he'll have he'll have

1513
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 1: fifty cans of sardines, you know, and we'll we'll eat

1514
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: some of them are baiting bears. But then we'll we'll say,

1515
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: James probably find sardines for itself. Me and James are

1516
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: cut from the same cloth. Man, We're like, we we

1517
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: both gained a little weight during bear baitings. Um, but

1518
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 1: I think that's a key point for holding a big bear.

1519
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:02,879
Speaker 1: And if we're talking about big bears, you gotta be consistent.

1520
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 1: You gotta be where they are. You're not gonna kill

1521
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: a big bear where there's not one. So if your

1522
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 1: bait doesn't have one, you need to find somewhere else.

1523
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 1: Debate and you can. That's the best trick I've got.

1524
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: I mean, like people are like, well, can you go

1525
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: in and do a honey burn? You know, the day

1526
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 1: that you hunt and draw one in that hadn't been

1527
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: there in four days? I don't think so I've never

1528
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: seen it where like there's no just like magic bullet.

1529
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 1: You know, how do you make him be not not

1530
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 1: be nocturnal? That's probably the biggest question I got there.

1531
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 1: I don't. I think the way to not keep one,

1532
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: or the way to for one to kill one that's

1533
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: nocturnal is you may not be able to. There's just

1534
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,639
Speaker 1: some bears that are probably unkillable. But you just gotta

1535
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 1: keep stacking everything in your favor. You gotta be in

1536
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 1: a place he's comfortable in the daytime. You gotta give

1537
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 1: him the food he wants. You gotta mix it up

1538
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: just a little bit on that opening day you've got

1539
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,719
Speaker 1: a we all think he hunt the mornings the evening.

1540
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: What you're talking about too, though, And here's the thing

1541
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 1: about that. I mean, it's just like if the wind

1542
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 1: is totally wrong opening day, you're not gonna kill the

1543
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 1: bear if you go in there, you know, I mean,

1544
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: we all want to go hunt, but if all of

1545
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: a sudden we get a rainfront came in and we

1546
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: got that north wind, you might as well not go,

1547
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, if you're after a big one. Yeah, it's

1548
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,600
Speaker 1: just like deer, Yeah, I mean, they're they smell you

1549
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: know their ability to smell is better than deer. So

1550
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,600
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta be a smart hunter too. You know,

1551
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: on top of everything we're talking about um sent attractance,

1552
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 1: commercial cent attracts. We've talked a little bit about gold rush.

1553
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:40,719
Speaker 1: What you've been your experience with it. I think it works,

1554
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 1: you know, the I think i've last time or two

1555
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: I baited pretty hard. I use some of that cherry

1556
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 1: bomb spray your cherry one of the cherry flavors from there,

1557
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:51,719
Speaker 1: and we sprayed up in the trees where smell better

1558
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,719
Speaker 1: and carry, and then I put some of the stuff

1559
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: in the grease or whatever because I I didn't use

1560
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: it when I had that connection to get the barbecue

1561
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: drippings because it had its own smell, right, So I

1562
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 1: didn't need it. But yeah, if you're just using regular

1563
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: fra all you should use it. I mean it's inexpensive

1564
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: for as much as it smells and attracting. It gives

1565
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:11,560
Speaker 1: the grease in your bait set. In my opinion, I

1566
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 1: think it adds. It would be hard to put a

1567
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 1: percentage on it really scientifically to say how much more

1568
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 1: scent to power your bait would have, but I would

1569
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: say it would be it would double at least. I mean,

1570
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 1: like natural natural bait only has so much scent, and

1571
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: this stuff is chemically designed to like be loud, as

1572
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: Ryan says, you know, to just have a loud smell,

1573
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,719
Speaker 1: and so it's just gonna carry better. It's gonna carry further,

1574
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 1: it's gonna stick on stuff better and scents everything. That's

1575
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 1: the way you're gonna that's the way you're gonna attract

1576
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 1: bears exactly. Adding to the bears getting the grease on

1577
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 1: their paws and walking down the trails, if they got

1578
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: that smelly grease on there, there gonna smell it way

1579
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 1: back in there as well. So it's gonna last longer

1580
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 1: that old based chemicals gonna last longer on the plants

1581
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 1: when they're rubbing going down the trail and stuff. So

1582
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: I mean that's the key really with the grease and

1583
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 1: the attracting is to get as many bears as quickly

1584
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 1: as you can to know the bats there, especially if

1585
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 1: you're you know, I mean maybe not for thirty days,

1586
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 1: but for me, it's always I got a bait to

1587
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: get the bears here before acorns, and then I got

1588
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 1: to hold them till season here at So the key

1589
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 1: is I gotta get all the bears in there. You

1590
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,640
Speaker 1: know there's a bait here. Well, that grease is a

1591
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,839
Speaker 1: huge factor. And you know, I also think it's important

1592
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 1: to uh continue to use the sense throughout the season

1593
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: because just like I said earlier, you might be attracting

1594
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 1: a bear two days before season opener and he may

1595
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 1: be the one you kill. Like a lot of guys,

1596
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,560
Speaker 1: I've heard people saying, and I maybe even said that

1597
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: that I like to use commercial sense when I'm opening

1598
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 1: a bait live now kind of drifted my full spez.

1599
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: I like to use commercial since the whole time, because

1600
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 1: two days before season you made draw in a bear

1601
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: from four miles away, that is the one you want

1602
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: to kill. Where if you if you just used at

1603
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 1: the beginning to get some bears coming in, you know,

1604
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 1: maybe you wouldn't have got I mean, if if we're

1605
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:19,560
Speaker 1: talking about best case scenario to kill big bears, I

1606
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 1: keep using it, especially with the gold rush stuff. Yeah. Hey,

1607
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: one thing we didn't say when we were talking about

1608
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: bait site placement is that I feel like your bait

1609
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 1: has to be on the up wind. Well, the bait

1610
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: scent needs to be blowing into areas that hold the bears.

1611
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,719
Speaker 1: And I've got two stories. And I've told this before,

1612
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: so if you've listened to these kind of podcasts, you've

1613
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 1: probably heard both these stories. One time I had a

1614
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: bait that was on the rim of this big block

1615
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 1: national forest. I mean, everything was beautiful about this bait,

1616
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 1: except it was on the north side of a big,

1617
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 1: giant block of National four Rest, and north of the

1618
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 1: bait was just civilization, I mean just farms and cattle

1619
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 1: pastures and places bears didn't want to be. Well, a

1620
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 1: south wind that whole time in September, which usually, you know,

1621
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: most of our winds are out of the south in September,

1622
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: most of them. Well, it just so happened the three

1623
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 1: weeks that abated, we never got a north wind. So

1624
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 1: the wind was constantly coming out of the good bear

1625
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 1: country blowing into all the farm country. I could never

1626
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 1: attract a bear there. You know, if we'd had a

1627
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 1: north wind, it would have blown that bait sent down

1628
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 1: into that wilderness and the bears would have been like, oh, dang,

1629
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 1: there it is. So I believe that if I had

1630
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 1: had the same bait that was on the south side,

1631
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, you could follow my wind direction. You know,

1632
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 1: I think that's important. Another another time, I had a

1633
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 1: killer bait site in terms of area, rugged, remote, big country,

1634
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: and the wind was always blowing up this canyon which

1635
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: is where all the city where I came from, and

1636
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 1: really the bears were down, you know, kind of downstream

1637
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 1: into this big national forest. Well, I put out a

1638
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 1: bait and uh, for a week didn't get a bear.

1639
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 1: This is over in Oklahoma, and uh it just shocked me.

1640
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 1: No bears. How could this spot not produce a bear? Well,

1641
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 1: I took I took a I I did a little

1642
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: scent trail run with a drag. I did a little

1643
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: drag down on the property and got just around the

1644
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:41,600
Speaker 1: point of these two big ridges. Basically I had to

1645
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 1: be low and there were two big ridges and I

1646
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: was between them. I drugged that scent just out beyond

1647
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 1: where those ridges came down, and it was a whole

1648
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 1: new draft of wind, I felt like, and within twenty

1649
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: four hours I had a bear. I just did a

1650
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 1: drag sent drag that just got my bait sent into

1651
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 1: a little bit different current. And so that's important. And

1652
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 1: if you can't and here's the flip side of that,

1653
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 1: that bait is going to be better for you to

1654
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 1: hunt if you have a big bear coming, because he's

1655
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,560
Speaker 1: trying to smell you, So setting him up like that

1656
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 1: and then doing a drag to get the bears there,

1657
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 1: then having the grease there for the bears to disperse

1658
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 1: the scent for you actually makes it a better spot

1659
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 1: to hunt. It's just harder to get the bears to

1660
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: come to it. Get a little more work you gotta

1661
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 1: do for that. Yeah, so as good. I've done that before,

1662
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 1: done a drag and not probably as far as you did,

1663
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: but just over the ridge down just to kind of

1664
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: drag back out. And yeah, I mean it don't take

1665
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 1: no time. Family fall that trail right in and then

1666
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,839
Speaker 1: the bears are leaving their scent and they're creating trails everywhere,

1667
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 1: so you don't have to all you got has one

1668
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: bear coming. If you get one bear coming, tell all

1669
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 1: the rest all the rest of them are gonna figure

1670
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 1: it out. But you gotta get the one bear to

1671
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 1: come in first. What would you guys say, We've we've

1672
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 1: covered everything we said we're going to cover. Um, what

1673
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 1: do you think people would have questions about, like, you know,

1674
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: like how to set up trail cameras? I almost want

1675
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: to talk about how where to shoot a bear, like

1676
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: how to set up your stands and stuff. That important

1677
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 1: subject is basically getting your stands set up, everything done

1678
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 1: before you even bait. I have everything like say, turn

1679
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 1: key and not being there tinkering around even when you're baiting.

1680
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: Just go away, get out that way the bear first

1681
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: time he comes in. The stands already there. You don't

1682
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 1: want to be in a climb and stand opening day

1683
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 1: and clanking up. Get all and bear, get all your

1684
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 1: homework done right off the bat for even bait and

1685
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 1: it's ready to go. Come open it down? How high

1686
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: do you put your stands? Honestly? For bear? Base now?

1687
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 1: And I've got to where I put ladder stands? Eighteen seat? Maybe?

1688
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 1: How far is the bait away from your stand? Twenty yards?

1689
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 1: Are less? You get up hired in that though, don't you? Uh?

1690
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 1: I think it depends on your terrain a little bit. Yeah,

1691
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: if you're too far downhill and some of the snails,

1692
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 1: then I might need to be a little bit first. Well,

1693
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 1: where I'm going to is shot angle, shot angle. I

1694
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: used to think I needed to be up in a tree,

1695
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 1: and that burnt me big time. It's man and it's

1696
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:28,799
Speaker 1: a hard angle for dear any critter to be shooting

1697
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 1: at a super steep angle, but I feel like a

1698
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 1: big bear or any bear, it's pretty dang unfriendly too.

1699
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: I have now, I have permanent ladder stands that just

1700
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,839
Speaker 1: stay there. I mean, I never moved them changes straps.

1701
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: One of them probably a fifteen footer and one of

1702
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:45,679
Speaker 1: them is an eighteen footer, but it's more steep off

1703
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:47,720
Speaker 1: the end of the point, So in r L it's

1704
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 1: probably only fifteen ft above kind of the ground level.

1705
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 1: Always kind of the sweet spot that I've found. And

1706
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 1: Bernie Barringer has kind of helped me or he has

1707
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:06,560
Speaker 1: some pretty good philosophies on this too. But b sixteen

1708
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 1: the nineteen feet high and have the bait barrel eighteen

1709
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 1: yards away, you getta you're you're you're up high enough

1710
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 1: that you're wind is a little bit better, but you're

1711
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: not up so high that your angle is super steep.

1712
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 1: Eighteen yards is just far enough that a bear is

1713
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 1: in our reality. Both of my good spots are probably

1714
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 1: seventeen to eighteen yards from the bait. You don't want

1715
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 1: to be twenty five. I've I've I've been to some

1716
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 1: Canadian hunts where they got a bait barrel twenty five

1717
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 1: yards out there, and I'm like, that's too far. I mean,

1718
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 1: I could shoot at twenty five yards, but why, I

1719
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 1: just don't think it's necessary. But you don't want to

1720
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: be ten yards from either, you know, that's kind of

1721
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 1: a sweet spot. You know, really fifteen to twenty ft

1722
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 1: eighteen is yards you don't want to be right on

1723
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 1: top of and that angle is super crazy. Now, just

1724
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:01,679
Speaker 1: because we're getting close to opening a let's real quickly

1725
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 1: go through shot placement stuff. And this is a whole podcast.

1726
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 1: I think me and you did a whole podcast on

1727
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 1: shot placement. We did, and that podcast is still up

1728
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 1: and I'll refer people to that. It's called Dummies Guide

1729
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 1: the Shop Placement on Bear and we nerd out for

1730
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:19,640
Speaker 1: an hour or longer just about shot placement. But the

1731
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 1: biggest thing that I would say is a bear is

1732
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: not as big as he looks. He's got three inches

1733
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:30,680
Speaker 1: of hair all the way around his body. He's got

1734
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: fat and so the biggest thing that I've seen people

1735
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 1: mess up on and shoot him too low. Yeah, you

1736
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 1: do not shoot him like a white tail. You don't

1737
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 1: want to try to hart shoot a bear because they

1738
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 1: don't duck like a white tail. For that's right. I mean,

1739
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:44,800
Speaker 1: that's the whole key. That's another podcast. But you know,

1740
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 1: dear duck bears don't. That's right. That's exactly the reason

1741
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 1: we aim low and tight on a white tail is

1742
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 1: because that animal is gonna move at the sound of

1743
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 1: the string. He's gonna drop and then lunge to get away.

1744
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 1: You're always gonna hit him a little higher than you're aiming.

1745
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 1: A bear is not that case. I mean, you should

1746
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,679
Speaker 1: be able to pick out a tick on the bear

1747
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: and hit the tick heat moving. Yeah, at eighteen yards,

1748
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 1: maybe at thirty or something. So that's the biggest thing.

1749
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: Don't shoot him too low. And listen to this. This

1750
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 1: is my new philosophy on where the vitals of a

1751
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 1: bear are at. And we could go look at your

1752
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 1: bear over here. We've we've said for years, and I've

1753
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 1: said for years that a bear's vitals are slightly further

1754
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 1: back than a white tail. Functionally that is true, but

1755
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 1: in reality, his shoulders are further up on his body.

1756
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 1: You'll see what I'm saying. Like a white tail, you

1757
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:44,639
Speaker 1: can see his briskets stick out on the north side

1758
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 1: of his shoulders and then his neck starts and then

1759
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 1: and so their their anatomy is actually really similar in

1760
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 1: terms of of organs. And if we're getting super technical,

1761
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 1: but bear, a bear doesn't have a brisk it that

1762
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 1: hangs out in front of his shoulders. If we look

1763
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 1: at that bear amount over there, his shoulders come up

1764
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 1: and his neck immediately starts, and so his shoulders and

1765
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 1: legs are more forward than a deer. So what that

1766
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: translates into is that you have more space for vitals

1767
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: further what seems to be further back on a bear.

1768
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 1: And so you know, people say there's a phrase a

1769
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,719
Speaker 1: lot of Canadian outfitters used the middle of the middle,

1770
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 1: and they literally mean aim at the dead nuts excuse

1771
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:35,800
Speaker 1: my French, middle of a black bear and shoot it.

1772
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 1: Which if you did that with a white tail, you

1773
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 1: would be hitting him in the liver. Well with a bear,

1774
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna be hitting him kind of in the

1775
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 1: back of the lungs. I don't like to go middle

1776
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 1: of the middle. I like to go the middle of

1777
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 1: the middle and then back towards the shoulder about four inches.

1778
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 1: But the point is you can hit him further back.

1779
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 1: The second point is, I have seen this. You know,

1780
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 1: I've killed quite a few bears, but more than that,

1781
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 1: I've tracked a ton of bears in Canadian bear camps

1782
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 1: over the years and Arkansas bears. I mean, I've tracked

1783
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 1: a lot of bears. You can shoot a bear in

1784
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: the absolute guts, but you don't want to do and

1785
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: you can find that bear relatively easy. He's gonna die

1786
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 1: within three yards. You're gonna have to put on your

1787
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 1: blood trailing cap and you're gonna have to give him time.

1788
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 1: But so the point of all that is to say,

1789
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 1: in white in the white tailed world, the biggest fear

1790
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 1: you have is hitting one far back, or at least

1791
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 1: that's what we've been told our whole lives. Don't hit

1792
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,679
Speaker 1: him far back, man, gut shot that deer. And that's true.

1793
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,639
Speaker 1: That is not the worst case scenario with a black

1794
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: bear in my opinion. I mean, Colby, there's a great

1795
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 1: video on Bear Honey Magazine YouTube of our buddy Colby

1796
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 1: just absolutely shooting one deep in the guts, and I

1797
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 1: mean it just makes you go, oh, man, we've down

1798
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 1: that bear, and no problem. River Nukem. Last year, Ryan

1799
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 1: helped me track Rivers bear. She tend ring that sucker

1800
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:11,640
Speaker 1: in the guts. I mean we had to blood trail it,

1801
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 1: but we found it relatively easy the next day. I mean,

1802
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, thirty minute blood trail and you know it

1803
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 1: went three hundred yards probably. But point being, I think

1804
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 1: people are so afraid to shoot them far back. They

1805
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 1: want to shoot them tied up against that shoulder and

1806
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 1: they hit the shoulder, and you were guaranteed if you

1807
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 1: hit that scapula or an actual shoulder bone of that bear,

1808
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 1: you're not gonna kill it. I've done that. Yeah. Yeah,

1809
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 1: And you don't want to hit them low because you'll

1810
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: shoot I mean I've done that, especially if you're in

1811
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 1: the angle in a tree stand, because they're not gonna duck,

1812
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 1: so you're gonna shoot low hair brisket. I mean you

1813
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 1: might clip a hertery or something there. But yeah, I

1814
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 1: mean I like to shoot them. I still shoot them,

1815
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 1: probably not as middle as most people, but I would

1816
01:38:56,479 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 1: like I'm probably gonna shoot him a full and say

1817
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 1: hand my hands probably nine inches wide. I'm gonna put

1818
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 1: him a hand with behind the shoulder. That's about what

1819
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 1: I like to do. It gives you more room for

1820
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 1: air here. If you hugged that shoulder just to hit

1821
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 1: this way, and I still got nine or from probably more.

1822
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:16,640
Speaker 1: But you know at eighteen yards as good as we

1823
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:20,599
Speaker 1: practice and shooting now, you should hit right pretty big.

1824
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm close to that spot. You know he's not moving. Yeah. Well,

1825
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 1: and see that's the that's the logic. And if we're

1826
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:31,599
Speaker 1: talking about you know, you can kill one bear doing

1827
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 1: something kind of crazy, and statistically you might win the

1828
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 1: statistics war if you shoot ten bears. You want to

1829
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: do the best case scenario. And so if you hug

1830
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:47,639
Speaker 1: that shoulder, you've only got room for air to the south.

1831
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:51,879
Speaker 1: By south, I mean back, you know, you you scooch

1832
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 1: it over and then you got room for air towards

1833
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 1: the shoulder. You got room fair behind the shoulder. And

1834
01:39:58,280 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 1: then the worst thing you can do is hit the

1835
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 1: bear on the fringe, and that would be with white

1836
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 1: tails or anything else. You hit a bear too high,

1837
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 1: you know you're not gonna find him. You hit a

1838
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 1: bear too low, even in the cavity, and you may

1839
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:11,800
Speaker 1: not find that bear. I mean, I think the bear

1840
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:15,640
Speaker 1: you probably shot that you talked about, Yeah, and that

1841
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:18,559
Speaker 1: my blood trailed that bear like he was pouring blood

1842
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 1: out of a bucket. For a quarter of a mile,

1843
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, but I no, I just shot riding under

1844
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 1: his hard probably Yeah, and at the angle, I may

1845
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 1: actually not have got the heart, you know what went

1846
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 1: in here and bropo came out right there. You know

1847
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, It's just a rookie mistake. I mean,

1848
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 1: I just pulled up aimed at where I would shooting

1849
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 1: whitetail that I've killed the hunter of and it wasn't

1850
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:43,800
Speaker 1: where I needed to shoot him, you know. I mean, well,

1851
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:46,599
Speaker 1: the the only other thing I would say in terms

1852
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:49,920
Speaker 1: of shot placement, it's best case scenario is gonna be

1853
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:54,120
Speaker 1: a broadside standing bear. Bears do all kind of weird

1854
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 1: stuff when they come into a bay. They can sit

1855
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 1: down on their rump, they can stand up, they can

1856
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:02,160
Speaker 1: lay down, they can cut their body. Yeah. That's the

1857
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 1: biggest thing Ryan, and you've heard me preach about that,

1858
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:08,719
Speaker 1: is a bear has so many contortions of his body

1859
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 1: that he can do that a white tail camp. A

1860
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 1: white tail is almost like this linear like static animal

1861
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:16,719
Speaker 1: for the most part. I mean like they're they're gonna

1862
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:20,000
Speaker 1: be like a bear is like a cat almost like

1863
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 1: he can cut his body. So and bears are black

1864
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 1: which is a color that just soaks up its surroundings.

1865
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:33,680
Speaker 1: And his hair is long, A white tail is short hair.

1866
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 1: You can see every crease in his body, you can

1867
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:38,719
Speaker 1: see his shoulder line, you can see everything. A bear

1868
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 1: is like shooting at an inflated black trash bag. Well

1869
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 1: and thinking about big bears, especially asn't we all know

1870
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 1: this other than you know, Ryan killing one who walks

1871
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 1: up on all the really big bears I've ever killed,

1872
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 1: it's been within three minutes of shooting light, Yeah, there

1873
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 1: are you know five, I mean late, just like that one.

1874
01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean he may have came up over the ridge

1875
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 1: thirty minutes before dark, but he didn't come in there

1876
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 1: until three minutes before the legal shooting, you know, so

1877
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:06,760
Speaker 1: it's almost dark anyway, and then you're shooting at this

1878
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:10,639
Speaker 1: black blob literally at that time, he's just a black

1879
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:12,439
Speaker 1: blob with all this big hair on him, you know,

1880
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:14,639
Speaker 1: And so I mean I've killed him, you know. Don't

1881
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 1: get me wrong, I've killed not old big bears earlier

1882
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 1: in the day, but these bears like this don't come

1883
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:22,800
Speaker 1: in often until it's almost last light, at least in

1884
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 1: my experience. So you gotta be real careful where you

1885
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,800
Speaker 1: shoot him, and you just wanted to be standing up.

1886
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:30,680
Speaker 1: You don't wanted to be cups towards him, which that

1887
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 1: would mean he would be standing broadside, but his shoulders

1888
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 1: and his hips would be closer to you than the

1889
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:41,720
Speaker 1: offside rib cage, if that makes sense. And so you

1890
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:45,840
Speaker 1: might think I've been in a stand more than once

1891
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 1: watching someone shoot no names being named here where they

1892
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 1: ain't thought they were aiming right behind the shoulder, and

1893
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,080
Speaker 1: they actually hit right where they're aiming. But when that

1894
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 1: bear straightened back out, that era was eighteen inches back.

1895
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:05,519
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, we may have still found

1896
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:09,200
Speaker 1: a bear, but it wasn't It wasn't a tin ring

1897
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 1: double lung shot. There. He's gonna run thirty yards, you know.

1898
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 1: And you can use your bait set up to make

1899
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 1: a bear stand the way you want them to to shoot, too,

1900
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: the way your barrels are angled. I know I don't

1901
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:21,720
Speaker 1: do this much, but you know, some guys may lay

1902
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 1: some logs behind the bait, so the bears have to

1903
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:27,360
Speaker 1: come in on this side and turn and face the barrel,

1904
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:30,720
Speaker 1: and they're slightly quartering away maybe just you know, not

1905
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:34,600
Speaker 1: a lot, but slightly fifteen degrees or something that you

1906
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 1: can slap. Every time I've done that, the bears just

1907
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:40,680
Speaker 1: trumpet to the ground. I've done it many times, and

1908
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:44,600
Speaker 1: they always because you're always trying to block it the

1909
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:47,879
Speaker 1: way that they naturally want to just use the barrel openings.

1910
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 1: Especially when they first come in there, they'll kind of

1911
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:56,400
Speaker 1: square up with it in the beginning to look in

1912
01:43:56,479 --> 01:43:58,200
Speaker 1: the hole and reaching the whole. Now they're going to

1913
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 1: do all kinds of stuff after that, but when they

1914
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:03,759
Speaker 1: first walk in there, oftentimes it seems like they'll square

1915
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 1: up with that whole, which if you've got two barrels,

1916
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:09,680
Speaker 1: there might be the one. But it's broadside enough that

1917
01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:12,080
Speaker 1: an eighteen yards you should make a perfect shot on it, right,

1918
01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 1: and you don't have to be usually in any hurry

1919
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 1: on a bear a debate set situation. On the big ones,

1920
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:23,639
Speaker 1: it's always fate lighting, you know, and word in the timber,

1921
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 1: you know, So you walk out the timber up on

1922
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 1: the ridge, it might still be daylight when it gets

1923
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:31,080
Speaker 1: dark in the timber lost sooner. Yeah, yeah. And on

1924
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:34,639
Speaker 1: mine sites, I'm always on the north side of the mountains,

1925
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 1: so it's getting darker there before the south side of mountains,

1926
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:38,960
Speaker 1: so I run out of daylight a lot sooner there

1927
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 1: than you probably would in some other locations. But it's

1928
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:45,400
Speaker 1: the locations that I found that I can successfully get

1929
01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:47,799
Speaker 1: them in there in the daylight without being winded and stuff.

1930
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:51,679
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, well, man, I think we've really covered

1931
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:54,639
Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff here. I'll throw the only

1932
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:59,719
Speaker 1: secret weapon the only man we're gonna yep, we're shutting

1933
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 1: this day. This is a pay for a part. You

1934
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 1: can go to Bear Hunting magazine. Only people that get

1935
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 1: a subscription to the magazine get this silver bullet. The

1936
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 1: only silver bullet that I've ever found in baiting bears

1937
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 1: is a redneck blind conversation. It was years before you

1938
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:19,760
Speaker 1: got it. Yeah, I mean I told you we had

1939
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 1: talking about winning swirling stuff. I'm like, the only way

1940
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:24,080
Speaker 1: to kill the bear every time and he not know

1941
01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 1: you're there is being a scent typeline and you know,

1942
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 1: and not just a redneck, but you know whatever. Whatever. Yeah,

1943
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:35,320
Speaker 1: that's why we sealed tight. There's and I mean people

1944
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 1: would have if they followed the podcast, they would know this.

1945
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:40,840
Speaker 1: But I hunted a bear. We got access to a

1946
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 1: property in twenty fifteen, I think, and for well, I

1947
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 1: was fourteen for five years. I had pictures of this

1948
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 1: bear I called Batman and never saw the bear totally nocturnal,

1949
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:57,519
Speaker 1: just he just would read your mail like you just

1950
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:00,200
Speaker 1: couldn't kill him. I put up a red neck mine

1951
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:02,439
Speaker 1: have killed him the first day. I put a red

1952
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 1: nickline and I had things in my favorite. It was

1953
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 1: a good mass year, like in terms of there wasn't

1954
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 1: much mass. He was responding to bait, but he came

1955
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 1: in and he had he He was that bear was

1956
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:17,120
Speaker 1: used to me or James Lawrence climbing up in the

1957
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:20,639
Speaker 1: tree on opening day, and I guarantee he just knew

1958
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 1: we were there and he didn't come in, and he

1959
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 1: come in really comfortable. When the day you did shoot him,

1960
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:28,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was. It was if he can't smail

1961
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:30,560
Speaker 1: you and don't think you're there, he's gonna be like

1962
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 1: just any other day. That's one that works so well.

1963
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:35,920
Speaker 1: Is and that's why I used those drains to try

1964
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:37,880
Speaker 1: to keep the bears from coming in behind me. Is

1965
01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:41,360
Speaker 1: those big bears are circling down there sniffing before they're

1966
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:43,400
Speaker 1: coming in. They're not coming in blind. And here's the

1967
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:45,639
Speaker 1: deal too, And the reality is even some of these

1968
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 1: bears that I might have fooled their nose when they

1969
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:50,519
Speaker 1: come in there and they know you're there most of

1970
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:52,360
Speaker 1: the time. This bear walked up to the base of

1971
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 1: my train and looked at me, and he did not

1972
01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:56,519
Speaker 1: win to me. He knew I was there. Somehow I

1973
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 1: had to let him turn and walk away from the

1974
01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:01,680
Speaker 1: stand to shoot him. Yeah, that's unusual, it did. I mean,

1975
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 1: and but had I been in there, I mean, you know,

1976
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:08,439
Speaker 1: the wind wouldn't I don't know. I mean, he just knew,

1977
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, bears are just smart. He may have just

1978
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:13,640
Speaker 1: went by and checked that stand every day too. I

1979
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:15,200
Speaker 1: don't know. On that day. I just happened to be

1980
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 1: in it before he came to you know, he would

1981
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:21,360
Speaker 1: like circle down on that secondary point and it may

1982
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 1: just come up to the barrel, you know. Man, I

1983
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 1: tell you what a lot of people that I guess

1984
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people that bait bears would understand this.

1985
01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 1: But what we have like me following you guys bear

1986
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:39,280
Speaker 1: baiting or bear hunting in Arkansas. Man, it it is

1987
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 1: a awesome thing to kill a big ball. They're like

1988
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:48,120
Speaker 1: they're like a ghost, man. I mean, he's video. I

1989
01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 1: think it's up on our It was on our DVD.

1990
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:56,800
Speaker 1: Bear Horizon. I think Season one bear. He killed that

1991
01:47:57,120 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 1: five hundred four pound bear right there. And man, I'll

1992
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 1: tell you what, it's fun to kill big white tails,

1993
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 1: and it's fun to kill big elk. I've never done it,

1994
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:09,240
Speaker 1: but I'm going to in three weeks. And those things

1995
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:12,280
Speaker 1: can never be replaced. I mean, like this, it's it's

1996
01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:15,439
Speaker 1: like your kids, you know, it's like your kids love

1997
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:17,479
Speaker 1: his white tail. Don't get wrong, you'd probably tell but

1998
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:19,640
Speaker 1: looking into here, but a lot of bear stuff. But

1999
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 1: a bear makes your heart beat in a different way

2000
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 1: than a white tail. It does. And these big you know,

2001
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:28,560
Speaker 1: when when I killed Batman two years ago, and that

2002
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:30,800
Speaker 1: was the biggest bear I ever killed, and maybe the

2003
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:34,920
Speaker 1: biggest bear I ever killed my life, it was it

2004
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:39,360
Speaker 1: was a I felt like it was you know, those

2005
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:43,800
Speaker 1: fleeting moments that you were in the presence of a

2006
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:48,599
Speaker 1: true monarch of the woods are pretty special moments as

2007
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:52,280
Speaker 1: a hunter, and they're quick. I mean like I hunted

2008
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:55,280
Speaker 1: that bear for five years. I watched him with my

2009
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:59,559
Speaker 1: own eyes for about thirty seconds, and you know, it's

2010
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:04,879
Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty cool thing too to see those bears,

2011
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, and people don't realize how big they really are,

2012
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I think it's probably just like

2013
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 1: a mooze or whatever. They're huge, but I mean I've

2014
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:17,800
Speaker 1: killed big bears before. And even you walk up on

2015
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:20,280
Speaker 1: a five pound bear with the head that big land

2016
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:23,720
Speaker 1: on the ground, it's just it's you're all struck. I

2017
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 1: am all struck. I don't not saying everybody would be,

2018
01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:29,000
Speaker 1: but and I've done it, and I'm just still like, Holy,

2019
01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:32,479
Speaker 1: can look how big this thing is? You know, I

2020
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:36,680
Speaker 1: mean it's just impressive, you know, And there's just it's

2021
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:39,040
Speaker 1: an interesting feeling. You know. We have a great, in

2022
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 1: my opinion of phenomenal resource shre in Arkansas to be

2023
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:45,519
Speaker 1: able to hunt bears like this, you know. Uh, and

2024
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:49,280
Speaker 1: so it's pretty cool I have that opportunity. Yeah, yeah,

2025
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:53,240
Speaker 1: I agree. Well, guys, hey, we've uh we've pounded the

2026
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:56,040
Speaker 1: ground pretty hard here, covered a lot of good stuff.

2027
01:49:56,640 --> 01:50:01,400
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, I really appreciate it. Thanks for sharing

2028
01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:05,479
Speaker 1: your wisdom. It's fun hanging to appreciate Shading Hill. Well,

2029
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 1: keep the wild places wild because that's where the bears live.

2030
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:09,120
Speaker 1: That's your head