1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not good to stuff. 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: I never told you Production by Heart Radio, and today 3 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: we are bringing back a pretty recent ish one about 4 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: the film Pray, which was a twenty twenty two prequel 5 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: to the Predator movies that was notable for a lot 6 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: of reasons that we discussed in this episode. But they're 7 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: coming up with a sequel. 8 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: Hey, finally, I know. 9 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: I don't. I think it's gonna be next year. 10 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: Way is it gonna be the same actress? 11 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 3: Yes, I think so. 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: Okay, I think so, but I don't hold me to 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: that because there's something interesting going on in the Predator 14 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: universe where I think like somehow two different companies have it. 15 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: Like I feel like there's two different movies coming out 16 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: and they're not necessarily related. I'm not sure, but I'm 17 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: I am fairly certain there is one coming out that 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: it's a sequel to Pray, but I think there's another 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: one coming out that may or may not be related. 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see. Yeah, I'm gonna I've been 21 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: wanting to rewatch this. I was going to rewatch it 22 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: for Halloween and then I didn't get too But I 23 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: was so beautiful I think I watched it at your apartment. No, 24 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: at your house you had those sounds. 25 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: Yes, you and my partner I think watched it. I 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: don't know why. 27 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: I didn't think. 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: I was just really tired or were we won't show 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: up in animals and die one of those two things. 30 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, you did watch it, but I do you weren't 31 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: there that? 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: Yeah it was, and then y'all had it on full 33 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: blasts around sound at that point. 34 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 3: It was great. It was great. 35 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: I care, I loved it, but yes, please enjoy this 36 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: classic episode. 37 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: Hey, this is. 38 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: Annie and Samantha. 39 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm not good to Stephan. Never told you a protection 40 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. And welcome to a feminist movie Wednesday. I say, yes, Yeah, 41 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: it might be a Friday, but I'm pretty sure it's 42 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: a Wednesday. 43 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: I mean, who knows when you're listening to it, though 44 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 3: it could be a Friday or Tuesday. 45 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: What what? 46 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: You can have feminist movie time whenever you like. Yes, 47 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: and today we are talking about a very recent movie. 48 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: It came out this year. In fact, Pray, So there 49 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: will be an intense spoilers. I don't know if that's 50 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: the word I want to use, but that's the word 51 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: that we're going with there's gonna be a lot of spoilers, yes, yes, yes, yes, 52 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: and you can see you Are Mary Sue episode for 53 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: more information. Actually, we are going to talk about that 54 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: a little bit more and why that's relevant to this 55 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: conversation in this episode. But we did talk about it 56 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: in our episode on Mary Sues, where I defended them 57 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 1: at length. 58 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: She did she had a lot of thoughts. 59 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: I I have so many thoughts. 60 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: About marys Oh my gosh, and I will be talking 61 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: about them in this episode. 62 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: But yeah, I love this movie. I love it. 63 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: I watched it recently for Halloween with the first time viewer. 64 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,839 Speaker 1: We had such a fun time. I watched it last 65 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: night and preparation for this, and then I actually watched 66 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: it at your place, Yeah, for the first time, right 67 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: when it came out with surround sound, and whoa, I 68 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: was jumping all about. 69 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: I was very very nervous, Yeah. 70 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: With a surround sound especially, and then I was also 71 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: incredibly obnoxious because there's a scene where people speak French 72 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: and it's not subtitled, and I was appropriately I was 73 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: appropriately tipsy enough where I was like, I'm a genius 74 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: and I will translate this for you. 75 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, came back sober a week later to let 76 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: us know she's still a genius because correct, that does 77 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: not have subtitles, and so what would you do without 78 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: like me? That was that came later. 79 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: So it was such a good friend. I'm such a lovely, 80 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 3: fun friend. 81 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 2: I loved it. I wasn't even a part of it. 82 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: I was just told yes, because you were like, I 83 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: will watch this later. 84 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: I am. I am sleepy, but you have seen it. 85 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: I have. I really liked it. So here's my thing 86 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: about alien horror films. I'm not a huge fan of 87 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: sci fi. I'm a huge fan of fantasy. I think 88 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: I've talked about this before. Anything gruesome, I'm not a 89 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 2: huge fan either. Like, if it's like Kitchi Gruesome, I 90 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: can get past it. Bodies, bodies, bodies, perfect example, Kitchi 91 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: Gruesome even screamed, but like the newer one was still 92 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 2: like that's a little much. So I don't do that. 93 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: I don't do like torture stuff. I don't do really 94 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 2: like intense murder things. So pray being along the lines 95 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 2: of the Predator, I've never been a huge fan, so 96 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't care. But then the way everybody 97 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: kind of was so hyped by the characters and like 98 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: the nuance of it. I was like, okay, I'm down, 99 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 2: and I do love that type of so it took 100 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: me a minute to get convinced to watch it. As 101 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: much as I do love horror, I don't love Gore. 102 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, cocoa cool and now like 103 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan. So yes, I did watch it. Yeah, 104 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: I enjoyed it very much. So I really recommend it. 105 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm going to talk about how much I 106 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: recommend it throughout, so. 107 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: Ahead and get into so plot. The plot. 108 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: Prey is yes, a sci fi horror movie with a 109 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: historical bent, and it is out of the Predator franchise, 110 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: which I know I mentioned before, but I had a 111 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: great love of when I was a child. I watched 112 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: it at my sixteenth birthday. That's what we're talking about here. 113 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: It is the fifth one, but it's a prequel to 114 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: all of them. It debuted on Hulu in twenty twenty 115 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: two and it was its number one debut of all time. 116 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: Sounds pretty high there, apparently, Yes, I like for all record. 117 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes you can still stream it there 118 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: currently not a sponsor, but has been in the past. 119 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 3: Just fans, Just fans. 120 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: It was directed by Dan Trachenberg and written by Patrick Eisen, 121 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: and the largely indigenous cast stars Amber mid Thunder, Dikota Beavers, 122 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: Dane di Riegro, Michelle Thrush Storm and Kit, Julian Black 123 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: Antelope and Bennett Taylor. The creators originally pitched it as 124 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: a film that would quote follow a Comanche woman who 125 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: goes against gender norms and traditions to become a warrior, 126 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: which I would say is a pretty good description of 127 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: what happened. One of the producers, I think it's Jane Myers, 128 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: but forgive me if I has pronounced it, let me know, 129 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: is a member of both the Comanche and Blackfeet nations. 130 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: It was shot in English and the Commanchee language, and 131 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: it is the first feature film to have a full 132 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: commanche language dub, which we're going to talk about later. 133 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: It was incredibly well received, with many putting it at 134 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: or above the original in terms of quality. People praise 135 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: the acting, the cinematography, the attention to history and detail, 136 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: the pacing. Some compared mid Thunder, who plays the main character, Nauru, 137 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: to Aliens Ellen Ripley. It's fun and tense and moving 138 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: and beautiful. My friend who I watched it with over 139 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: Halloween said, this isn't just a good Predator movie. This 140 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: is like a really good movie, right, and it does 141 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: work as a standalone, Like you don't have to see 142 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: the other Predator movies for this to work. 143 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: And I have not, and I enjoyed it. 144 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: See. 145 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: See, they did make a great effort to be historically accurate. 146 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: The cast and crew were given this huge binder of 147 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: info around that, including like time appropriate toothbrushes, like Naru 148 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,559 Speaker 1: there's a scene where you see her using one. Also 149 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: wanted to shout out that it was composed by Sarah Shackner, 150 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: and we know that women in the space of composing 151 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: are pretty rare. The flute and vocals was done by 152 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: Native American musician Robert Mirabel. But I actually really like 153 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: the music. It's very intense, A lot of it is. 154 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: It's very intense. 155 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: Yes. 156 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: So the film takes place in North American Northern Great 157 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: Plains area in seventeen nineteen. It follows Naru played by 158 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 2: mid Thunder, and her cada and companion, who, by the way, 159 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: for those in Georgia, came from the same animal shelter 160 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: slash Lifeline center that my dog came from. 161 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: Yes, and we're going to be talking about Coco. Her 162 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: name is a little bit as a bonus at the end, 163 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: So yes, yes, but. 164 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: I still love it. 165 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 3: Yeah anyway. 166 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: So Naru is a young Manchi woman who has been 167 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: trained in the ways of healing, but has a passion 168 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,479 Speaker 2: and talent for hunting, one she shares with her brother Tabe. 169 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: Her and Tabe have a close relationship, and Tabe supports 170 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: her while also calling out what he sees as her 171 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 2: flaws and pushing her to be better. Yeah, but he's 172 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: also showing her up a lot. Very early on, it 173 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 2: becomes clear that Nauru's strategy involves more patience and observation 174 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: than Tabe's, though this is coupled with Tabe's longer experience 175 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: because the community is pushing Nauru to give up on 176 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: hunting and accept her more acceptable position as a healer 177 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: as a woman, which she is also good at she 178 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: learned from her grandmother, but still so Toabi described his 179 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: rite of passage, where you hunt those that would hunt you, 180 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: and believes she might not be able to do it. 181 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: He kills the hawk before she can. Though she was 182 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: waiting for it to cuckle back for easier retrieval. Yeah, 183 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: showing her up. 184 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: Like I said, Yeah, Well, there's so many signs throughout 185 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: where she's like clear, she's waiting, she's right, patient and 186 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: a and she was trying to make it easier to 187 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: retrieve it, but he shot it, so now they have 188 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: to go across the river to get it. 189 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: Naru is determined to prove herself. 190 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: She goes out with Saddi, who yes, this dog Coco 191 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: that we mentioned to track a deer and she does 192 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,119 Speaker 1: like these awesome kick sliding moves. They're hard to describe, 193 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: but you've got to see it. I mean, it's amazing. Yeah, 194 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: when she sees this fiery light in the sky, the audience, 195 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: or I would assume most of us, maybe not you, Samantha, 196 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: because I haven't seen predator, but you. 197 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: Know, we know that it's predators. 198 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: She did, but Naru believes it is the legendary thunderbird 199 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: and it's a sign that she should go on her 200 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: own right of passage to prove that she is a hunter. 201 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: And this opportunity to do so calms up when one 202 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: of the members of the tribe is taken by a 203 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: mountain lion and She convinces her brother to let her 204 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: go on the hunt, and he agrees, but it's more like, 205 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: I'll let you track. You're a good tracker. I'll you 206 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: if he needs medical help. You're really good at that. 207 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: The other men in the Green bir extremely doubtful of 208 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: her skills, vocally pretty much outright undermining her and mocking her. 209 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: One of the men says, we won't be gone long 210 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: enough to need a cook. 211 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: Wow. So they find the hunter and Naru treats him, 212 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: including giving him something that lowers his body temperature. She 213 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: is pressured to return with him to their settlement while 214 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: Taba goes on to hunt this mountain lion, which by 215 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: the way, is really scared looking. When Naaru discovers a 216 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: snake that has been skinned and split, along with huge prints, 217 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: and it goes back to find Tabe with another member 218 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: of the tribe who's really giving her a hard time. 219 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: Because they just all give her a hard time. Naru 220 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: convinces Tabe to go with her plan of setting a 221 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: trap for the mountain lion in spite of the opposition 222 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: from the other men, but Tabe tells her this is 223 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 2: her ride of passage and that she should tell him 224 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: this is as far as you go and that's it. 225 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is a recurring thing that comes up through 226 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: this movie. So basically you're telling the creature that's hunting 227 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: you in this right of passage like this is it 228 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: for you. 229 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,359 Speaker 3: This is the end of the line. 230 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: So her and the man hassling her wait in a 231 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: tree after he tells her a hunter doesn't wait. 232 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: He says, he he hunts, and. 233 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: If you're scared, go back to camp where you belong, 234 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: and he continues to hassle her, and sold the mountain 235 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: lion jumps into the tree and kills him. 236 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 3: Ye, Naru faces off with it. 237 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: There's a really cool like spitting camera scene at this part, 238 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: and amazing balancing skills from her. 239 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 3: By the way, whoa when Predator. 240 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: He's off in the woods hunting something, doing something, So 241 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: he distracts her with some sounds and lights in the distance, 242 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: so she falls out of the tree, hits her head 243 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: and passes out. 244 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: And yeah, by the way, this. 245 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: Whole thing we've been describing has been cut in with 246 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: scenes of Predator hunting animals, and so a very brief 247 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: rundown of Predator. As someone who has seen all of 248 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: the movies, predator's whole deal is that he has to 249 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: find the most dangerous predator slash hunter in an ecosystem 250 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: and kill it for his own rights of passage. And 251 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: I do think most of them are men, although I 252 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: think there is some women. But anyway, he watches and 253 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: assesses a threat. So when you see kind of the 254 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: like graphics from his helmet, is basically like calculating how 255 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: big of a threat they are, learns their moves, takes 256 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: them out. Uh, And yeah, he has a lot of 257 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: a lot of tech and is invisible. 258 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 3: Which I think is kind of a cheat, but whatever. 259 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: Also he collects skulls in their spines and he puts 260 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: them on their ship. And that's how you prove that 261 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: you did you succeeded in your rite of passage. 262 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 3: But yeah, basically you're trying. 263 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: He's trying to find the top who can I take 264 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: out that's going to really prove I am number one 265 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: in this hunting game. 266 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: And I will say the entire time was like, this 267 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: is not fair. There's nothing about this that he has 268 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: all this technology that has nothing to do with They 269 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: don't have any of this, And I'm like, and also 270 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: his armorers piers from come on Yeah. Oh yeah, I 271 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: mean he's a challenge. 272 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: It's an interesting character because he doesn't like in an 273 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: alien versus predator which you yes to have seen, Like 274 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: he won't kill somebody who's cancer, Like there's a bunch 275 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: of rules that they follow. 276 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 3: But at the same time, I'm like, but right, but you're. 277 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: Kind of using all this technology anyway. When Naru wakes, 278 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: she has a massive headache and her brother is announced 279 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: as war chief. After he returns from killing the Mountain Lion, 280 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: has the Mountain Lion carcass. Naru confronts him, trying to 281 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: convince him there's a threat like they've never seen out there, 282 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: but Tabay tells her that she's done, that he had 283 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: to carry her unconscious body back, that she wasn't fit 284 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: to be a hunter, she couldn't finish the job. 285 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Well, determined to find proof of this thread, 286 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: and Nauru goes off with Sari and she comes across 287 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: an entire field of skinned buffalo is pretty gruesome. Confused 288 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: and unsettled by the needless waist that she says a 289 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: prayer over them, and then she practices with her axe 290 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 2: and attaches a hand woven cord to it. For quick retrieval. 291 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: Very smart. Yes, she falls into a bog and almost 292 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: drowns in it, but is able to pull herself out 293 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: with this axe and cord. Hello. And then she and 294 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: sorry are attacked by a bear and are forced to 295 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: flee not take shelter in the water under a beaver dam, 296 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: and witnesses an invisible creature take on and kill the bear. 297 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: All you see is like wavy figures. Yeah, taking on 298 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: a ball. 299 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: Yes. 300 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: She frantically swims away downstream, where she's captured by some 301 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: comanche sent to get her. They fight, and she puts 302 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: up a good fight before the men bind her, and 303 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: she tries to tell them about the invisible threat, but 304 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: they ignore her until it the predator arrives and starts 305 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: to kill them all off because you know, they also 306 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: put up a good fight, but they die. Predator doesn't 307 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 2: see Nauru, now caught in a foothold trap, as a 308 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: threat and leaves her alive. But then the French colonizers 309 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: responsible for the skinning and slaughtering of the bison come around, 310 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: capture her and cage her. This is where any skills 311 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: come into play. 312 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I was so frustrating. I apologize yeah. I 313 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: think I was just so happy. 314 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, Because this is this following sequence is 315 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: largely in unsubtitled French, so they're just speaking in French, 316 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: but it's not there's no subtitles, but they do this. 317 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 3: These French colonades bring out. 318 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: Their interpreter to ask Naru about Predator, who they have 319 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: dealt with before and are trying to hunt. She won't cooperate, 320 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: so they reveal that they have her brother, Tabe, and 321 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: they torture him in front of her. The pair are 322 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: tied to a tree as bait for Predator. Tabe tells 323 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: her that her plan with the Mountain Lion worked, that 324 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: she weakened it and that's why he was able to 325 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: capture it and kill it. She in turn tells him 326 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: that Predator won't target them while they are bound, like 327 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: he doesn't hunt that way. There is an epic battle 328 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: scene of Predator using all of his outer space gadgets 329 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,239 Speaker 1: to decimate the frenchman, while Anaru tells a story that 330 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: culminates in her saying she's smarter than a beaver. Basically, 331 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: it's like building up for you to think she's going 332 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: to cut off her own hand, but then She's. 333 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 3: Like, but I'm smarter than a beaver. It's really satisfying. 334 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: She uses the foothold trap to cut their vines and 335 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: free them. Tabe goes to get a horse, while Nauru 336 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: returns to the French encampment to rescue Sarni and expertly 337 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 1: takes out some frenchmen along the way. 338 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 3: It's very beautifully choreographed fight scene. 339 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 2: Yes, delightful. So the interpreter from earlier is now dying 340 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: and begs for her help, promising he'll teach her to 341 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 2: use their firearms if she helps them. She does so, 342 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: giving him the same ingredient from earlier that makes the 343 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: temperature drop. She's unimpressed with the firearm and how it works, 344 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: but takes it, abadoning him when predator arrives. Gotta do 345 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 2: what you gotta do. She observes that the predator can't 346 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: seem to see the still alive interpreter, realizing that that 347 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: is because his body heat is low. However, the interpreter 348 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: accidentally a large predator to his presence, and predator kills 349 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: him and is about to kill Naru after the firearm 350 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 2: didn't run for her. When Tabe arrives on a horse 351 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 2: to distract him. 352 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 3: Very sad, yes, I mean, but also very skillfully, I 353 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 3: might add. So yeah. 354 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: They work together to weaken Predator, but Predator kills Tabe. 355 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: He uses his last action to give Naruo a chance 356 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: to escape. However, naru has observed how Predator's helmet targeting 357 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: system works and has an idea, so she tracks down 358 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: one of the surviving Frenchmen and uses him as bait. 359 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: She eats that herb to lower her body temperature because 360 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: she's observed that Predator can't see if the body temperature 361 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: is lower, before using the pistol to shoot off and 362 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: steal Predator's mask, and also cuts off his arm and 363 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: rips off one of his mandibles. In the ensuing battle, 364 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: she tricks Predator into the bog she'd almost died in 365 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: earlier and severely injures him. Predator uses his targeting system 366 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: against her, but Nauru uses it against him via his 367 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: stolen face mask and the spear meant for Naru kills 368 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: Predator instead, and she tells him not one step further. 369 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 3: This is as far as you come. 370 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: She cuts off Predator's head and returns to her camp 371 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: carrying it, her face smearred with green blood. She is 372 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: named the new war Chief. I will say as a 373 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: young girl looks on and just clearly like, oh wow, 374 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: I can be me right, Oh my gosh. 375 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 3: I love this movie. It's so good. It's so good. 376 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 2: It's so good. 377 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about some themes here, and 378 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna start with the whole idea of this kind 379 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: of gender norm about around being a warrior, and then 380 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: the Mary. 381 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: Sue fallout that came from this. 382 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: And one of the things I really do like about 383 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: this movie is that it is Naru's story. 384 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 3: It's not Predator's story. He's in it, he's a villain. 385 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: He has some cool scenes, but it's definitely not about Predator, 386 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: which I love. And also I do like that there 387 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: are so many things throughout this movie where you see 388 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: Nauru's watching and waiting and listening I'm observing and learning 389 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: from that, and how that all pays off in the end, 390 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: even though she's being made fun of it constantly. That 391 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: guy I was talking about earlier, he was kind of 392 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: always hassling her. He said, like, you know, a hunter hunts, 393 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: they don't wait, But that was her thing, that she 394 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: was always observing, watching, waiting, and that is why she 395 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: was able to defeat Predator. And I don't want to 396 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: jump too much into the Mary C critique yet, but 397 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people were like, oh, Arnold Swarzenegger is 398 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: so tough, so many muscles. 399 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 3: Of course he could beat Predator. That's not how he 400 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 3: beat Predator. 401 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: He beat Predator after all of his crew was destroyed. 402 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: All of these manly army men were destroyed. He had 403 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: to learn and to watch them, to observe. It's the 404 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: same thing. It's about hunting and watching and observing. So 405 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: I think that that argument is just dismissing what the 406 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: original was about. 407 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 3: He did not win that because of his muscles or strength. 408 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 3: He won that. 409 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: Because he observed and found weaknesses. And that's what she's doing, 410 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: like just so competent. Oh yes, and I do. There's 411 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: a couple of scenes because I saw some people. I 412 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: guess if I'm not making it clear. There was a 413 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: huge backlash from mostly men on the internet about her 414 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: after this came out, like she could there's no way 415 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: she could have beat Predator, and some of those arguments, 416 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: it's trying to be like, well, we see so many 417 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: instances of her failing. I would argue that one, you've 418 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: been mad if she had succeeded at everything, because that's 419 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: what Mary Sue is. But anyway, but also that's when 420 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: she's trying to do what these men are telling her 421 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: to do, when she's just trying to do it without 422 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: observing or watching. When she tries to do that, she misses. 423 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: She is somebody who adapts, and so like when she 424 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: makes that retractable ax, like she sees a problem with 425 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: the acts, right, she makes it retractable with the cord, 426 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: and then immediately after you see she's killed like I 427 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: don't know five seven rabbits, right, So she's somebody who's 428 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: like smart and cunning and very very capable, but is 429 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: always adapting to what she's seeing, right, right. 430 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: And also like the failures are not necessarily because she 431 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 2: couldn't do it, is because something was a mess. 432 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: Yes, it's almost always predators in the background making noise. 433 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: And I mean that's another point that I don't think 434 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: we're going to go into too much in this, but 435 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: we've talked about that before of the woman in horror 436 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: often who's like, hey, I think something's wrong, and. 437 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: She's like warning everyone, Hey, there's something bad out there. 438 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: You are not listening and they're all like, I'm not 439 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: afraid of a bear, and she's like, I'm telling you, 440 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: it's not a bear. 441 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of like we're not talking about it, 442 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 2: but paranormal activity. I watched it again, You're like the 443 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 2: entire time, I'm the man. I can fight this goes, 444 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: I can hail it. It's me. I can do this. 445 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: I can take care of us. You did, yeah, oh 446 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: yeah you did. 447 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 448 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: Like I said, I mean, if we disregard all the 449 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: other ones, I think she would have been fine without him. 450 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 3: He really screwed it up. But anyway, he did, he 451 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: sure did. But yeah, she was. 452 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: She was just clearly competent, and people didn't listen to 453 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: her or we're just like, but you're good at medicine though, yeah, yeah, 454 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: but you're good at that, and that's more appropriate for women, 455 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: is that you should do this. But there I do 456 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: have a lot of instances of if I can just 457 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: talk about how cool she is, like when she so 458 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: there's so many things that I think when you're watching 459 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: it the first time, you're just like, oh yeah, but 460 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,719 Speaker 1: if you actually kind of pay attention to the story 461 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: and all of the seeds, they planted and all the 462 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: payoff that is there, Like she uses the foothold trap 463 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: after witnessing it, like she uses the gun after witnessing it. 464 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: She uses Predator's helmet after witnessing it, like she's always watching, calculating, learning. 465 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: She leads him into land that she knows better than 466 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: a foreign invader, which is the same for the French colonizers. 467 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: She does not give up, even when she fails, even 468 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: when no one believes her, and even when no one 469 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: thinks she can do it. She sees what you can't 470 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: see even as the viewer. There's one scene where she's 471 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: fighting all the French people. You're like, oh, that's the 472 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: last guy, and there's a guy behind her, but you 473 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: can't see her as the viewer, but she can and 474 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,239 Speaker 1: gets him, and it's just so satisfying, Like it is 475 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: hard earned bad assness that she has, Like she has 476 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: been doing this, she knows what she's doing and just 477 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: like the way she dodges and sees that quick reflexes. 478 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: I do think it's really interesting and a purposeful take 479 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: on what is the threat right. Multiple times Predator has 480 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: a chance to kill her and then doesn't because he 481 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: doesn't view her as a threat. 482 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 3: That's his whole thing. 483 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: And a lot of times it's because she's in one 484 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: way like entrapped or bound or something, but at least 485 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: in one case, I'm pretty sure it's just because. 486 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 3: He was like, nah, she off red, right, which I think. 487 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: Is really interesting because that's basically what the whole A 488 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: lot of these men who were hunters were telling her, 489 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: and even some like women, were like, Oh, you're just 490 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: not a hunter, You're just not a threat, and even 491 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: Predator was kind of like that, like me, yeah, And 492 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: she even says, I think at one point, like that's 493 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: why he doesn't see me as a threat, and that's 494 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: why I can get him, right, Yeah, And she does 495 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: have There's a lot of scenes where you see everyone 496 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: telling her like, oh, you can't hunt, and that's why 497 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: she says like, that's why I want to do it. 498 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 3: No one believes that I can. 499 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: And this is like her brother Predator, the French colonizers, 500 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: everyone thinks say no better than her to different extents, 501 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: And it's also pretty rewarding to see both the French 502 00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: colonizers and the Predators tech like backfire on them, right. 503 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: That's pretty I love the scene where they're all trying 504 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: to reload their weapons out right. 505 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 2: They deserved it. 506 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean this is like Predator is essentially 507 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: saying she's less of a threat than a snake because 508 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: he killed that snake, he skinned that snake, and he 509 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: let her be so whoom. Here's a quote from Din 510 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: of Geek addressing the idea that the Commanche couldn't have 511 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: fought Predator, which is again missing the point. And this 512 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: is a lot of what came out of those like 513 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: angry white dudes at the end. The Commanche are generally 514 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: recognized as perhaps the fiercest warrior culture among the Native 515 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: American communities that lived among the Southern Plains. Historians even 516 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: attribute fear of the Commanche as creating the limited borders 517 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: of both Bane and France's colonization projects in North America 518 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: during the eighteenth century, and the wars between Texan settlers 519 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: and the Comanche and the nineteenth century remained the stuff 520 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: of legend, right. 521 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: I think of all the tribes, I've definitely heard Commandchi 522 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: warrior more than any other. Not to negate that, but 523 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's one. I feel like it's legendary 524 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: for sure. So also a quote from Matgeable, they say, 525 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 2: when I tell you that Naru kicks ass, I don't 526 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: think you'll understand quite how much ass she kicks. She's 527 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 2: an ace with a tomahawk and a gifted tracker with 528 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 2: an excellent canine companion to boot. On top of all that, 529 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: Naru is smart. Her decisions such as fastening a rope 530 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: to her tomahawk so she's always able to pull it 531 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 2: back to her consistently have satisfying narrative payoff. You want 532 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: her to succeed, not just because she's Pray's main character, 533 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: but also because Pray makes it abundantly clear how capable 534 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: she is. It's true, it's a whole build up, which 535 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 2: is that weird, Like it's not a sud thing. You 536 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: see her building up to all of her crafts to 537 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: be beyond good, which we've talked about with women in 538 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: general and those marginalized communities having to op prove themselves. 539 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 2: This is that narrative. 540 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, well we're gonna talk about it in 541 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,239 Speaker 1: a second. But yeah, I mean it's too like you 542 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: immediately are rooting for her. At least that was my experience. 543 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I am so in with you. 544 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: Were amazing. 545 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: I didn't love her killing rabbits, but I know you gotta. 546 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 3: Eat, you gotta eat. 547 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: She does become, as we said, the war chief in 548 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: the end, and I love when her and Tabe are 549 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: joking about, like Predator of all the right of passages. 550 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 3: You could have gone with right with this. 551 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: But it is that was her right of passage. She 552 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: cut off his head, comes back with the blood smeared 553 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: on the ice. It's pretty pretty good. And I do 554 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: like that overall, it's an amalgamation of her knowledge and tracking, 555 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: healing and hunting that gave her leverage to beat Predator 556 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: in the end, like she was more well rounded outside 557 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: of gender norms. Like she couldn't have done it without 558 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: her knowledge of medicine, right, she also couldn't have done 559 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: it without her knowledge of hunting. 560 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: It Like, I like that. 561 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: It was that she's so skilled in all of these 562 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: things that you know are gendered, but she's crossing those norms. Yeah, 563 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: but okay, yeah, let's talk about this Mary Sue Blacklash, 564 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: which again you can see our whole episode we did 565 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: on Mary Sue pretty recently where we talked about this 566 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: because after this movie came out, mary Sue started trending 567 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: on Twitter, and I knew it it was nothing to 568 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: be good. 569 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: And when I saw it without seeing the movie Old 570 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: What's happening. 571 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 3: Yep, I was like, oh no, oh, no, no no. 572 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: And the reason it was trending was, as I said, 573 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: because so many people, and I'm assuming most of them dudes, 574 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: that most of the articles were and videos were done 575 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: by dudes, thought that no, there's no way Nauru could 576 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: be that skilled, and there's no way she could have 577 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: taken on Predator. So essentially, if you haven't listened to 578 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: the Mary Suu episode of Mary Sue is a typically 579 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: a woman character that is loved fictionally loved by everyone 580 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: and is amazing and skilled and everything with one or 581 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: two endearing flaws. It's a term that has roots in 582 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: fan fiction, but I do think the way that it's 583 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: thrown about in the mainstream media is very sexist and 584 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: actually pretty devoid of what it actually was in fan 585 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: fiction in my opinion. But whatever very sexist in nature 586 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: to mean essentially a competent, skilled woman, which. 587 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 2: A woman could never be. 588 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 3: I guess. 589 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: Unless we see her train a ton, which is often 590 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: an argument that comes up, and I'm like, well, here 591 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: it is you did see her train a ton and 592 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: that still wasn't enough. It's not believable and heavy quotes, 593 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: never mind the liss male characters that match this criteria. 594 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: It's very much like just in my opinion, it's a 595 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: woman man character always gets called Mary Su these days, 596 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: people argue that she's usually Mary suhs like Bland or 597 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: doesn't have much character development. But again, I think that's 598 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: just kind of main character stuff, and I would say 599 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: Nauru has tons of character development. I don't know, but yeah, 600 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: I mean people were trying to find like, well, she's 601 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: bad at hunting, here's why, but also like she's too 602 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: good at hunting, and here's why. Like it's just so 603 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: many contradictions that they had, and yeah, like I said, 604 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: I felt like a lot of that was she was 605 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: struggling to adapt to a hunting style that wasn't natural 606 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: to her when people kept telling her like stop waiting, 607 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: stop waiting, and when she did do her own hunting style, 608 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: she's the one that defeated predator, and she was consistently 609 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: distracted by Predator. As you said, here is a long 610 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: quote from Din of Geek that I want to include, 611 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: since while before Prey was released, they've made their criticisms 612 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: known online, most of which are couched in thinly veiled 613 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: forms of bigotry and misogyny. It began when the first 614 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: teaser trailer appeared for Prey, which highlighted the terrifying technological 615 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: imbalance between Narro and a fellow Kamanche warrior and the Predator. 616 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: In the original teaser, we see the pair hiding in 617 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: tall grass while one character draws bowstring and arrow from 618 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: his shoulder, and the Predator's infamous three pronged light, which 619 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 1: signifies death, appears on his head. By design, you are 620 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: meant to experience a realization of dread. By the contrast, however, 621 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: many online influencers reacted with scorn the very idea of 622 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: a Predator movie focusing on Native American warriors taking on 623 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: a pop culture icon from the Reagan years, particularly since 624 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: the main character among those warriors is a woman. Based 625 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: purely on the trailer, YouTubers were already reviewing Prey months 626 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: ago with headline It's like how to spoil a good 627 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: idea and then lamenting that the fan base quote just 628 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: wants a decent Predator movie instead of a king intersectional 629 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 1: struggle session. The same video, which we're purposefully not linking 630 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: to here also snarks that unlike the muscular Arnold Schwarzenegger, 631 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: Mid Thunder quote has the size and build of a 632 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: small child, and her facing off against the predator will 633 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: be quote in ludicrous. Since the movie's actual release, such 634 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 1: criticism hasn't gone away on social media apps like Twitter, 635 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: where memes have gone viral depicting images of the cast 636 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: of Predator nineteen eighty seven chextaposed against mid Thunder and 637 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: text that reads a team of highly skilled badasses with 638 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: years of experience and almost no chance versus a predator. 639 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: A girl with almost no experience beats a predator alone. 640 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: It is, of course, impossible to separate the misogyny and 641 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: racist undertones of these critiques from any point they're trying 642 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: to make. A predisposed need to dismiss any film, particularly 643 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 1: in genre and fanboy fair as Ludacris are undeserving when 644 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: it stars a woman is as common as mindless uses 645 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: of the term Mary Sue writing off Prey because it 646 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 1: stars a Comanche woman who's played by a woman of Lakota, 647 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: Nakota and Dakota heritage as the ultimate survivor, as opposed 648 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: to a six foot two inches Austrian male bodybuilder. Is 649 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: the point, Yes, yes, oh my gosh, this so. 650 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 3: Much that makes me mad about that? 651 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 2: Yep. 652 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Like if you pick apart any of this, 653 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: it falls apart. Like I've said a million times, you 654 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 1: can have critiques about writing, but a lot of this 655 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: is just sexist and racist, and basically what you're saying, 656 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: like the line where you're like one unskilled woman alone, 657 00:36:54,680 --> 00:37:00,240 Speaker 1: doesn't she wasn't unskilled. And also, like I said, all 658 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: of Arnold Swartzenegger's crew got destroyed, and if they had 659 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: all of these weapons and training or whatever, she had 660 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: just as much training but whatever, And the way he 661 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: survived was doing by what she did, which was observing 662 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: predator and finding flaws and hunting. 663 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 2: But I really found that it weird that those who 664 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 2: the ones I saw critiquing were critiquing her against Ripley 665 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 2: from Alien saying that Ripley, you know these are the 666 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,720 Speaker 2: reasons Ripley was Okay, there's no I'm like, wait, what 667 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 2: how are they different? Why do you why do you 668 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 2: accept one without the other? I'm confused. 669 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 3: I really think there's a lot going on there. 670 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's probably racist but come on, Okay. 671 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 1: It's probably racist. But it's also like Ripley wasn't a 672 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: very physical. 673 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 3: Character. 674 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: Like she she has her moments, but she's mostly like 675 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: playing and doing that kind of stuff, and this character not, 676 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: it was very physical. And I've just heard so many 677 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: arguments from people where they're like, but women biologically just 678 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: can't do that, And like, well, are you telling me 679 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: these superhero movies was white men they could just do that. 680 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 3: I don't like that's true. 681 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 2: I don't think you're listening to yourself. 682 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 3: Sir, exactly exactly. But also, Alien. 683 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: Was the first, and this is the fifth of a 684 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: franchise that's already gotten a lot of fanboy gatekeeping going on, 685 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: and I do want to say, like, the original was 686 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: such a macho movie. So here's a quote from Vulture. 687 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: The first Predator came out in nineteen eighty seven, at 688 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: the peak of the muscle movie era, and it's ensemble 689 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: exuded levels of testosterum that can only really be obtained 690 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: with some anabolic assistance. Former wrestler and Minnesota governor Jesse 691 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: Ventura slung around the kind of rotary machine gun usually 692 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: mounted to a helicopter. Carl Weathers engaged in a friendly 693 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: hand class that turned into an improp to arm wrestle 694 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: that lives on in memes. And Arnold Schwarzenegger, the burliest 695 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: of them all, played a smirking, sentient pectoral muscle with 696 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: the undeniably badass nickname of Dutch. But however, given all 697 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,280 Speaker 1: of that, the creators have said the original was making 698 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: fun of this macho masculine idea that you can just 699 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: punch something and win, and the whole thing was super buff. 700 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: But you know, the super buff Schwarzenegger couldn't beat Predator 701 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: until he started observing and using his brain. He reverted 702 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: to less technologically advanced weapons to surprise Predator. So it 703 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: does once again feel like a very much missing of point. 704 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: And I do think we, as I said, we were 705 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: so ready to pick apart, but physically that is not possible, 706 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: or technically that's not possible with women, but we don't 707 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 1: do that with men, or not nearly as much with men, 708 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 1: or we're just much more willing to go along with. 709 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 3: The ride with male characters. 710 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: And I also wanted to point out that we do 711 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: have in this movie prey women teaching and supporting and 712 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: inspiring each other and other women in this, so you've 713 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: got Nara's grandmother and the girl watching Nara at the end. 714 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: As we said, and I did want to include this 715 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: quote from Mid Thunder about the character, and she's been 716 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: very outspoken about playing against Hollywood tropes when it comes 717 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: to Native Americans. She's definitely determined and hard headed and 718 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: was a well written character. Through her journey, she's taught 719 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 1: that the why and what you do matters. We had 720 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: weapon training with the Tomahawks, Lances, Knives, and Artrey. We 721 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 1: also developed a sign language. It was based off a 722 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: real Comanche sign language mixed with our personal trainers gal 723 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,320 Speaker 1: sign language. So she's got a lot of great quotes, 724 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: and that brings us to we're not gonna get too 725 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: much into this, but to the language part, because this 726 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: was historic, as we said at the top, to have 727 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 1: a full Comanche dub Comanche language is used in it. 728 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: The fact that they are not subtitles under the French 729 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 1: part really brings home that Narrow is clearly the hero 730 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: of this and they are the villains and she wouldn't 731 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,320 Speaker 1: understand their language, so it's from her point of view, 732 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 1: but it is something that's like when I was reading 733 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: about it. It's seriously lacking in terms of what everything 734 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,439 Speaker 1: else has been because this is this is a first 735 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: and it's twenty twenty two, and I think the only 736 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: example I've found, the only other example I found was 737 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: that Star Wars has been dubbed in NAVO. Oh really 738 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, but yeah, there's just so much more ground 739 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: we could cover there, but that is that's something that's 740 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: progressed and it was cool. And then here comes our 741 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: bonus about Coke. Okay, so Coco the dog scene stealer, 742 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 1: as many people said, was an internet sensation after this 743 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: came out. Yes, and Coco was adopted from a Georgia, 744 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: a Georgia facility trained specifically for the film, and the 745 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: very fond words of mid Thunder was a quote hot mess. 746 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: So it is very very fun to watch it, like 747 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: after your first watch through, watch it again and just 748 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,280 Speaker 1: watch Coco because it's very funny. 749 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a shelter dog. 750 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 2: So I was really surprised. I think my partner and 751 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,800 Speaker 2: I both like because we found out that from Fulton 752 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 2: County and Shelter or a Lifeline, which is where our 753 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 2: pages is from. Very excited that they were purposely adopted 754 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 2: for this movie, and then but that, yeah, is not 755 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 2: a trained dog, and they really really tried, but the 756 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 2: dog was all over the place and apparently he's really 757 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 2: happy now and a good home. But it was just like, 758 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 2: I love that even more because my dog would be 759 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:03,439 Speaker 2: that dog. 760 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: You should, Samantha, you should rewatch it and just watch 761 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 1: Cocoa because it is very, very funny knowing she was 762 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 1: chaos and watching it being like, oh I see it. 763 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were all like people were like, wow, wasn't 764 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 2: she Then more often they're like, look to the point, yeah, 765 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 2: the thunder barely was like choose this fun dog like 766 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:32,839 Speaker 2: way level like not want to be unprofessional and knowing 767 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 2: that everybody loved this dog, but you didn't have to 768 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 2: act with this dog. And I've heard many actors who 769 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 2: refuse to work with animals because it can be chaotic. 770 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, and I, like I said, I do 771 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: think that everybody loved her, but it is like, you know, 772 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: when you're trying to film the scene and cocos but 773 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: there's multiple scenes where I was watching it with my 774 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: friend of her Halloween, when she was like, where's Cocoa, 775 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,040 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm sure. 776 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 3: That couldn't even get coc to do anything. So there 777 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,360 Speaker 3: are a couple scenes where you're like, where is Coco? 778 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,359 Speaker 2: Right? I said that. I was like, there's the dog. 779 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 2: Isn't the dog supposed to be here? 780 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:10,280 Speaker 3: Yes? 781 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,360 Speaker 1: And I can only assume it's because they were like, 782 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: we can't Nope. 783 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 2: Done, We're done. 784 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 3: We're done. Yes. 785 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: Yes, But there's a lot of really fun memes about 786 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: her and stories about her if you want to look 787 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 1: those up. And then to end, I have a quote 788 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: from Deadline. The director puts his faith in a relative 789 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 1: newcomer to shoulder the movie. Women rarely get to be 790 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: the heroes of these stories, and women of color are 791 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: often left out entirely. The cast is made up of 792 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,760 Speaker 1: primarily indigenous actors, with a narrative that revolves solely around 793 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: their lived experiences. Trashenberg took an unprecedented risk here and succeeded. 794 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: Hopefully this will set the standard for the genre at large. 795 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:50,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope so. 796 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 2: It as should be. Yeah, we want to see more 797 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 2: of that. 798 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,839 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, Yeah, it's really really good. I really really 799 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: like to Honestly, I could keep going and going, but 800 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:04,280 Speaker 1: I won't. 801 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,800 Speaker 3: But yeah, I would love listeners. 802 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: If you have any thoughts about it if you let 803 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: us know, and as always, if you have any suggestions, 804 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: We've got a few that you all congested in the 805 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 1: words that are coming. Yes they are, but it's always yeah. 806 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 1: Keep those suggestions coming because they really help us out. 807 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: You can email those to us at Stephanie Moms Stuff 808 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: at iHeartMedia dot com. 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