Speaker 1: Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shonda Land Audio
Speaker 1: in partnership with I Heart Radio. Anytime I talked about
Speaker 1: paid leave or childcare, someone would always say, stick to
Speaker 1: the bread and butter issues and ignore the women's issues.
Speaker 1: Oh God, if we had similar labor force participation arts
Speaker 1: to countries like Canada and Germany that have paid family
Speaker 1: that have subsidice childcare, we'd have five and a half
Speaker 1: million more women in the workforce. We'd add five billion
Speaker 1: dollars a year to the economy. This is not a
Speaker 1: women's issue. It is a family issue and economic issue.
Speaker 1: It's an issue that affects every American. Hi, everybody, and
Speaker 1: welcome back to Katie's Crib. Today we are getting into it.
Speaker 1: We are talking all about paid family leave, universal childcare,
Speaker 1: really big topics that need a lot of help. So
Speaker 1: here to help us talk about that is the one
Speaker 1: and only Luba Gretchen Shirley. She's the founder and CEO
Speaker 1: of Vote Mama, which is the first pack in the
Speaker 1: country to support democratic moms running for office. Luba has
Speaker 1: spent her career leading organizations to empower working families both
Speaker 1: at home and abroad. She previously worked for the u
Speaker 1: N Foundation. She was selected as a Global Champion for
Speaker 1: Women's Economic Empowerment by You and Women. Together with You
Speaker 1: and Women, she launched the I Am Parent campaign for
Speaker 1: Parent to Leave. In two thousand eighteen, Luba ran herself
Speaker 1: for Congress to represent New York Second District in the U.
Speaker 1: S House of Representatives. She also became the first woman
Speaker 1: to receive federal approval to use campaign funds for childcare. Guys,
Speaker 1: how cool is that? Following her historic win, candidates across
Speaker 1: the country have followed her lead and petitioned their state
Speaker 1: and local governments for the same right. Luba currently lives
Speaker 1: on Long Island with her husband, Christopher and three children.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Katie's Crab, Luba. I have wanted to do
Speaker 1: a podcast about this topic and all the things we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about for a long time, and I'm
Speaker 1: so happy that you're here. But first, let's just hear
Speaker 1: about you as a mom, Okay, like, like not all
Speaker 1: the incredible not that we can even separate them because
Speaker 1: they're so intertwined, but you have three children. I do.
Speaker 1: I have three crazy children. Yes, Nila is going to
Speaker 1: be seven on Sunday, which is shocking and She had
Speaker 1: her her fifth dance recital last night, and I cried
Speaker 1: like a fool. Yeah, she got a trophy for five
Speaker 1: years of dance, so she's going to be seven. I
Speaker 1: have no idea how that's possible. Wow, you're looking fierce
Speaker 1: as hell. Let me tell you, because I'm sure you're
Speaker 1: not sleeping and running around like a crazy person. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not sleeping. I actually have a bit of a
Speaker 1: cold and was up nursing the entire night. So it
Speaker 1: was it was fun, It was awesome. Nicholas just turned five,
Speaker 1: and Andrew is thirteen months. So, Andrew is your pandemic baby.
Speaker 1: You and I connect on this. When was he in
Speaker 1: the pandemic line up? In April, the height of the pandemic,
Speaker 1: when had just really started. So I was thirty seven
Speaker 1: weeks pregnant and they were telling everybody not to go
Speaker 1: to the grocery store, not to leave your house, it's
Speaker 1: not safe. And Nicholas broke his leg and we ended
Speaker 1: up in the hospital exactly when they were saying it's
Speaker 1: not even safe to go to the grocery store. They
Speaker 1: literally kicked me out of the hospital because I was
Speaker 1: too pregnantly said it wasn't safe. I had to sit
Speaker 1: in the car and my husband went in with Nicholas
Speaker 1: and then uh Andrew was born two weeks later, so
Speaker 1: height of the pandemic. For twenty four hours of labor,
Speaker 1: I wore a mask. I wore a mask too, but
Speaker 1: only three hours. Holy crap. So okay, so all three
Speaker 1: of your births have been are they all been long?
Speaker 1: So Mila was twenty three hours of back labor, ended
Speaker 1: up in an emergency c section. She was supposed to
Speaker 1: be all natural, no drugs, had no drugs. And then
Speaker 1: literally after twenty three hours and she refused to come
Speaker 1: out and it was complete back labor. And then Nicholas
Speaker 1: because he wasn't back labor. Honestly, I was like, this
Speaker 1: is easy, this isn't like her, and I didn't really
Speaker 1: realize it was in hard labor. So I bounced on
Speaker 1: a yoga ball at home with Mila, who was bouncing
Speaker 1: on her little yoga ball, and I I think it
Speaker 1: was probably like nine o'cock at night. My mom's friend
Speaker 1: came over and she's like, you know, your contractions are
Speaker 1: five minutes apart. You need to go to the hospital.
Speaker 1: We parked the car at nine and he came out
Speaker 1: at time forty four. Holy crap, you just made it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was a V back. It was a v back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Andrew was the longest, which they always say,
Speaker 1: the third is the wild card. Yes, I have heard this,
Speaker 1: which I don't think we've talked about on Katie's crim
Speaker 1: at all, but yes, there's this thing that says you
Speaker 1: can sort of assume that the first is going to
Speaker 1: be laborious and difficult and and unknown, the second is
Speaker 1: going to be easier than the first, and the third
Speaker 1: couldn't go either way. The third was probably and I
Speaker 1: have to I can't even I can't beat him sitting.
Speaker 1: He was probably the least traumatic birth, which is weird
Speaker 1: because it was, but it was the least traumatic, but
Speaker 1: the longest. I mean, so you births twenty three hours
Speaker 1: in a mask? What is your housband's name? Christopher? Was
Speaker 1: he allowed in the room at that time, because I
Speaker 1: remember at the beginning of the pandemic, it was like
Speaker 1: changing by the day, by the week, whether or not
Speaker 1: your partners or any plus ones were allowed in the room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was, thankfully um for for weeks exactly. They were
Speaker 1: changing it every few days and they weren't sure, and
Speaker 1: I when they said that we weren't going to have
Speaker 1: a partner, I went into full on panic, both because
Speaker 1: I knew what it was like to give birth. I
Speaker 1: had two pretty traumatic births. The last time I had
Speaker 1: complications after Nicholas, and it was it was just a
Speaker 1: whole um, the whole thing. So, I mean I was
Speaker 1: hospitalized for four days after Nicholas. I ended up with
Speaker 1: an infection and retained placenta and all sorts of things.
Speaker 1: So what does that mean? So there were pieces of
Speaker 1: your placenta that didn't come out in the after birth
Speaker 1: and so they were still in there, which makes you
Speaker 1: really sick. I ended up with a hundred and five fever.
Speaker 1: So then like two weeks after Nicholas was born, I
Speaker 1: had a hundred and five fever. I was admitted to
Speaker 1: the hospital and ivy meds for four days. When they
Speaker 1: sent me home with iby meds in for another nine days.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I thought of like that alone, I
Speaker 1: going alone, Like I was having like an actual panic attack.
Speaker 1: And I remember calling every elected official I know, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you have to call you have to
Speaker 1: call the governor. We have to take care of this.
Speaker 1: So literally I was on the phone with every elected
Speaker 1: official in New York and Governor Cuomo actually put out
Speaker 1: a statement and said every every laboring woman gets to
Speaker 1: have one support person. So I was gonna have my mom,
Speaker 1: Adula and my husband. I had my husband. It was fine.
Speaker 1: I was just glad to have him um. And it
Speaker 1: was weird because my kids didn't meet Andrew until we
Speaker 1: came home. They didn't get to meet him in the hospital,
Speaker 1: which was a very strange scenario. And they kept playing
Speaker 1: here comes the Sun, I'm the I'm the speaker over
Speaker 1: in the hospital because every time someone was discharging COVID
Speaker 1: they played that Oh my god, wow, you can never
Speaker 1: the Wow. That song has such like deep meaning for you.
Speaker 1: That's wild. Were you so terrified at the end of
Speaker 1: your pregnancy of I mean I remember just when I
Speaker 1: found I got pregned in a week before shut down,
Speaker 1: and it was you know, they just didn't know how
Speaker 1: it affected pregnant See, they didn't know how it affected
Speaker 1: pregnant women. They didn't know how it affected a baby.
Speaker 1: Like it was all like the wild West. It was
Speaker 1: so insane. Yeah, I was. I was not calm. I
Speaker 1: was very nervous. I mean, I I didn't know what
Speaker 1: was going to happen. And I was literally telling my
Speaker 1: kids this morning driving me into school, and I was saying,
Speaker 1: we should we should actually do a recording where we
Speaker 1: talk about what this last year was like for you,
Speaker 1: so we remember it because this was historic. And I'd
Speaker 1: be interested to listen back to when you were, you know,
Speaker 1: were five and six and what it was like for
Speaker 1: you when you think back a year ago, were already
Speaker 1: beginning to know process this and come out of it
Speaker 1: a little bit more. And but a year ago, nobody
Speaker 1: knew what was happening. Nobody knew anything. It was scary
Speaker 1: as hell. We were going into a hospital, we were
Speaker 1: having you know, a baby in the middle of a pandemic,
Speaker 1: wearing a mask. I mean I remember them taking the
Speaker 1: mask off, giving the oxygen and putting the mask back on.
Speaker 1: It was it was scary. I mean, there's really no
Speaker 1: way you had no idea what was going to happen
Speaker 1: if you were hearing horror stories of infants getting it
Speaker 1: and babies getting it. And Andrew with the whole family
Speaker 1: ended up getting in November. And Andrew and I actually
Speaker 1: not the worst, but you know, we got through it.
Speaker 1: In April when he was born, and that was all okay.
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, my mom, who's you know seven now, I
Speaker 1: was worried the most about her, thinking she she probably
Speaker 1: had the best of everybody her and my husband probably
Speaker 1: head of the best. Um. But yeah, my mom got
Speaker 1: it first, and then we all got it. Andrew got it,
Speaker 1: I got it, kids did, my husband did. Nicholas was fine,
Speaker 1: had no symptoms. Mila had a headache and was just tired. Um.
Speaker 1: I got a very high fever and was very, very
Speaker 1: sick for probably like sixties and were you able to
Speaker 1: breastfeed through it? Like he was awake for maybe an
Speaker 1: hour of the day. I slept from the majority of
Speaker 1: the time. The two of us just slept and nursed.
Speaker 1: And they get the antibodies even you know, when you're sick,
Speaker 1: especially he can now, and the antibodies from having COVID
Speaker 1: and the hell from from me having the vaccines, getting
Speaker 1: the antibodies from the brest of life. But it's the
Speaker 1: best thing you can do. Amazing, how cool. I never
Speaker 1: even considered not nursing during it. So shifting gears, how
Speaker 1: did you get into politics? I've always been political. I
Speaker 1: mean I was volunteering on county ledge races. When I
Speaker 1: was three years old with my mom, I was stuffing
Speaker 1: envelopes and you know, our local elected office, and so
Speaker 1: I was always political. I studied politics and undergrad. I
Speaker 1: never planned on running profice at this point in my life.
Speaker 1: I thought I'd run at some point when I was older,
Speaker 1: when my kids were grown. I was living in the city.
Speaker 1: I went to n YU for for undergrad and grad.
Speaker 1: I had Mila at that point, and I was not
Speaker 1: planning on moving back to Long Island. I grew up here,
Speaker 1: but I was pregnant and I did not have access
Speaker 1: to paid family. And then I remember putting my name
Speaker 1: on waitlist for child care centers and never making at all.
Speaker 1: And I eventually about a year and like Niel, I
Speaker 1: was about a year old and my husband is not
Speaker 1: from Long Island, South African and we made the decision
Speaker 1: to move here, and we did it for free babysitting.
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, oh my god, this is it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get mommy trapped. I'm gonna get stuck on
Speaker 1: Long Island as a suburban mom, and what am I
Speaker 1: going to do when I want to start full time
Speaker 1: working again. I was consulting part time. I had a baby,
Speaker 1: I had a second baby, was not planning on running
Speaker 1: for Congress. And Peter King had been in office since
Speaker 1: I was twelve and had consistently voted to her people
Speaker 1: in my districted across the country. I was watching his
Speaker 1: voting record, watching his complete support of Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: the horrible things he was doing. I started an Indivisible group,
Speaker 1: and literally every morning I would be up nursing Nicholas
Speaker 1: and on my phone writing an action alert. You know,
Speaker 1: this is the particular issue. There was a new executive
Speaker 1: order every other day. I would write a whole list
Speaker 1: of all this is the background, this is what we're
Speaker 1: going to call King's office about. And then King came
Speaker 1: out and support of the Musliman and I called his
Speaker 1: office and I said, I'm having a protest. It's like
Speaker 1: to come in and speak with him, and they said, sure,
Speaker 1: show up at the opposite three thirty. I got there
Speaker 1: three thirty. They had locked the doors and sent the
Speaker 1: staff home, and we had about four people protests. And
Speaker 1: I called on Monday morning and he agreed to meet
Speaker 1: with me because I had so many people protests that
Speaker 1: he told the press later that he met with a
Speaker 1: leader of a resistance group. Oh god, not a mom
Speaker 1: in his community, a leader of a resistance group. And
Speaker 1: I went in. I brought three people from the district
Speaker 1: with me, three friends, and I said, look, I'd like
Speaker 1: you to hold a town hall. I'm glad that you're
Speaker 1: meeting with me, but they're hundreds of people who've been
Speaker 1: trying to get meetings with you. Right he was blocking
Speaker 1: everybody on Facebook. He wouldn't talk to anybody. So he
Speaker 1: told me flat out that holding a town hall would
Speaker 1: only diminish democracy. And that was pretty much it for
Speaker 1: me at that point. I organized the town hall. I
Speaker 1: had a six ft cardboard cutout of Peter King. He
Speaker 1: of course didn't come. We invited him. I held the
Speaker 1: town hall for him, and then people started saying, are
Speaker 1: you going to run against him? And I said, no,
Speaker 1: you're crazy. I have two tiny babies, I'm nursing. There's
Speaker 1: no way I can do this. And I remember people
Speaker 1: really saying, what can we do to convince you to
Speaker 1: run right now? And I laughed and I said, well,
Speaker 1: I need childcare. My mom is a teacher. She was
Speaker 1: still working then. She's retired now, thankfully, But I had
Speaker 1: them with me all day, and then she'd come home
Speaker 1: at three thirty and she would watch them, and that's
Speaker 1: when I would start my consulting work. Oh my god, Luba,
Speaker 1: this is insane, but I I didn't think I would
Speaker 1: do it, honestly, and I just kept watching his votes,
Speaker 1: and then he voted to take healthcare away from seventy
Speaker 1: four thousand people in our district alone, and I just
Speaker 1: got pissed. I got really really pissed. And I know
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be the angry woman. I was
Speaker 1: the angry woman, fully so, and nobody took me seriously.
Speaker 1: I was a young woman. I had a one year
Speaker 1: old and a three year old. I had never run
Speaker 1: for office before. Our our Democratic chairman literally told people
Speaker 1: that I was like Tracy Flick, you know, the Reese
Speaker 1: Witherspoon character, and election an election of course, of course,
Speaker 1: the young blonde girl nobody nobody looked at seriously shapped
Speaker 1: it off. I ended up out raising Peter King. I
Speaker 1: raised more than two million dollars with new corporate knocked
Speaker 1: in two fifty doors, and he had always won by
Speaker 1: four to forty something points. He only won by six
Speaker 1: points this time, and he decided to retire afterwards because
Speaker 1: he didn't want to go through that again. Wow, unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you a lot of fun. You
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun. So you've always been a
Speaker 1: political person. Your mother raised you to be super a
Speaker 1: where and involved. Is it this situation and this experience
Speaker 1: that made you start vote? Mama, tell me about the
Speaker 1: pack and why. So we have we have a foundation
Speaker 1: and pack. Our pack is the political arm We work
Speaker 1: to get democratic moms elected from school board to Senate.
Speaker 1: We fund them, we mentor them, we trained them. We
Speaker 1: have this incredible advisory committee, people like Representatives Katie Porter Moore,
Speaker 1: Kim shriyor Terry Stool, Grace Meang, We have the Tenant
Speaker 1: Governor's Stundate, State Senators, all of these amazing people who
Speaker 1: sit on our advisory committee who help us mentor these candidates.
Speaker 1: But it's really about providing them Mama's net work, making
Speaker 1: sure that they have the support. Um we you know
Speaker 1: I had. I had one of our county supervisors who's
Speaker 1: an alumni, called me the other day and she said,
Speaker 1: you know, I really need to talk to their mothers
Speaker 1: at the same the same level of elected office. Can
Speaker 1: we put something together? So I literally started to reach
Speaker 1: out to all of our city council members, all of
Speaker 1: our county county legislators and exact and we're putting together
Speaker 1: a Zoom happy hour just so they can talk to
Speaker 1: each other. That's awesome. So we're working to get these
Speaker 1: moms intopice. The foundation side is working to actually break
Speaker 1: down the structural barriers to make it easier for them
Speaker 1: to run. Through our foundation, we're working to pass campaign
Speaker 1: funds for childcare in all fifty states. That is our
Speaker 1: research arm it's our nonprofit, nonpartisan arm. Our long term
Speaker 1: goal is to get universal child Here pasted our short
Speaker 1: term goals campaign funds for childcare, because this breaks down
Speaker 1: the barrier. It makes it easier to elect more moms.
Speaker 1: But we're working with legislators to pass family friendly legislation
Speaker 1: to normalize what it looks like to actually talk about
Speaker 1: this legislation with an economic lens, because that's when people
Speaker 1: start to take you seriously, and that's when they start
Speaker 1: to listen. When they understand that this legislation is not
Speaker 1: just the right thing to do, but the economically smart
Speaker 1: thing to do, you start to get crossover. You start
Speaker 1: have to get through Republicans and Democrats talking about it.
Speaker 1: So during my campaign I had the babies with me.
Speaker 1: Literally every day till three thirty I was giving speeches
Speaker 1: with Nicholas and the baby. We're up nursing with meal
Speaker 1: and running around next to me. There's no playbook for
Speaker 1: how to run profice, but there's really no playbook for
Speaker 1: how to do with small children. There's no one to
Speaker 1: reach out and say, hey, how do you do this?
Speaker 1: What's the schedule? Like, how do I manage this part
Speaker 1: of my life with this part? We have so many
Speaker 1: millionaires in Congress. Literally more than half of our representatives
Speaker 1: are millionaires, because Congress is not set up for working Americans.
Speaker 1: You have to be wealthy and connected to even jump
Speaker 1: start a race. Most working people don't have the ability
Speaker 1: to that. I remember being told, you have to raise
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars before anyone takes you seriously. I
Speaker 1: had a nonprofit background. I don't come from a wealthy family.
Speaker 1: I had no idea how I was going to do that,
Speaker 1: and I did it. It It was a hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: six in the first two months, and then I hired staff.
Speaker 1: I had campaign manager, and then I got to find instructor,
Speaker 1: and we kept building and growing and raising the money.
Speaker 1: But it was sheer, just determination. But so many people
Speaker 1: don't have that ability to even start. So during the campaign,
Speaker 1: about five months into the campaign, I still had both
Speaker 1: babies with me all day, and I put a request
Speaker 1: into the Federal Election Commission and I said, can I
Speaker 1: use some of my campaign funds for child care? Frankly,
Speaker 1: everybody said it was political so aside. They said, you're crazy.
Speaker 1: You're going to get attacked as a woman, as a mom.
Speaker 1: I was already getting attacked for being a mother. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were like, yeah, They were like, don't, don't do this.
Speaker 1: But the reality is when you're running and you have
Speaker 1: school loans and you're trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: pay your bills, and then all of a sudden, you're
Speaker 1: supposed to pick up the cost of childcare without a salary,
Speaker 1: because when you run for Congress, you don't get any salary.
Speaker 1: You can't work another job full time for It's like
Speaker 1: coming three full time jobs plus two babies. So I
Speaker 1: didn't have the ability to pick up the costs of
Speaker 1: child care. I put this request in and I remember
Speaker 1: driving down to d C with with Mel and Nicholas,
Speaker 1: and we knew that Glamor magazine was going to cover
Speaker 1: it the next day. It was a bipartisan, unanimous decision.
Speaker 1: Every press outlet in the country covered it. Fox News
Speaker 1: said it was the one bipartisan thing they could agree with,
Speaker 1: which till this day still shocks me. Wow. But it
Speaker 1: changed the way that people are in profits. Fifty on
Speaker 1: federal candidates have now used their campaign councer childcare, men
Speaker 1: and women, Republicans and Democrats. Almost seventies state candidates have
Speaker 1: done this, and so we're actually working with the Vote
Speaker 1: Mama Foundation, which I'll tell you about in a little bit,
Speaker 1: but we're where can you break down the structural barriers?
Speaker 1: So we've been working to get campaign funds for childcare
Speaker 1: now passed at the state level for all state and
Speaker 1: local candidates, because my FBC ruling improved it for all
Speaker 1: federal candidates. But each state has different laws. We're changing
Speaker 1: this and we've actually got eleven states to approve legislation.
Speaker 1: This is amazing. We are breaking down the barriers. The
Speaker 1: goals got all fifty states three so Connecticut just passed
Speaker 1: the House and is after the governor. They're about to
Speaker 1: become the twelfth state to pass legislation. This is incredible
Speaker 1: that people can use campaign funds for childcare. Um Vote
Speaker 1: Mama is trying to normalize what it looks like to
Speaker 1: run as a mother besides just trying to get childcare. Like,
Speaker 1: how how else is vote Mama helping to do this?
Speaker 1: So I wanted to pack right after my campaign, end
Speaker 1: it because people do not look at moms and take
Speaker 1: us seriously, like the donors don't, the press doesn't, voters don't.
Speaker 1: And the only to teams that is to normalize it,
Speaker 1: to actually see more moms running for profice. You know,
Speaker 1: they're all of these organizations across the country that work
Speaker 1: to get women elected. The reality is, at a time
Speaker 1: we're forty four years old, eighty six percent of American
Speaker 1: women or moms, and yet just six percent of our
Speaker 1: congress members or moms with kids eighteen or younger. You
Speaker 1: need people in office who understand these issues at a
Speaker 1: visceral level, and our policies have failed American families for generations.
Speaker 1: So I launched Obama. I wanted to be able to
Speaker 1: support moms running and help them in every way. So normally,
Speaker 1: when you get into a race and you fell out
Speaker 1: a pack endorsement application, you have that interview, you pretend
Speaker 1: everything is perfect. I've raised all this money, I have
Speaker 1: all these endorsements, I have all this wonderful campaign staff
Speaker 1: and support, X, Y and Z. Give me money, you
Speaker 1: get a check and they move on. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a different organization. I wanted to be the pack
Speaker 1: that when you come and talk to us, you can
Speaker 1: literally break down crying during your interview. We've had that
Speaker 1: happened many times. You can talk to us about what
Speaker 1: support you really need. I mean, we've helped candidates do
Speaker 1: everything from literally find a babysitter to pick out a
Speaker 1: car seat, to put a finance when together, to hire
Speaker 1: a finance director, to teach them how to do call time,
Speaker 1: to put a policy piece together. You need a complete
Speaker 1: wraparound support, and we support Democratic women on the pack side,
Speaker 1: from school board to Senate. It is so important to
Speaker 1: build a bench, and this is something that Republicans are
Speaker 1: really great at. They work to build a bench. You know,
Speaker 1: you look at two thousand eight, the Tea Party took
Speaker 1: over school boards. Fool boards are easy seats to win.
Speaker 1: They're usually you know, many cases uncontested, and then you
Speaker 1: can use them as jumping off points to your next
Speaker 1: go to the next level, right exactly. School Boards are critical.
Speaker 1: There have been people there are so many in Gwynette
Speaker 1: County who sat on the school board for forty seven years.
Speaker 1: Seventy percent of school board members are white only kids
Speaker 1: in the district, and you end up having people who
Speaker 1: are not there to be champions for the kids in
Speaker 1: the district. You need a champion for the students. Those
Speaker 1: school boards are critical. Council races are so important, mayoral races,
Speaker 1: counting led races. So much of the policy that affects
Speaker 1: your life every day happens at the local level. We
Speaker 1: need to get moms in there those levels because it's
Speaker 1: the policy is important, and also because it helps build
Speaker 1: a bench so that when you have somebody running for
Speaker 1: a better office, they already have all that experience, They've
Speaker 1: already gone through all of these other seats. Because when
Speaker 1: they feel ready to run, they can run for whatever
Speaker 1: seat is most interesting to them, whatever policies they're most
Speaker 1: interested in working for. That's the seat that they should
Speaker 1: be running for. It shouldn't be something that hurts you.
Speaker 1: It should be something that literally you use that lived
Speaker 1: experience to become a better legislator. We're twenty seven and healthcare.
Speaker 1: We're the only country other than Papua New Guinea in
Speaker 1: the world without paid family need. Why is that? Why
Speaker 1: do you think that is? Why do you think people
Speaker 1: are against universal childcare and paid maternity ly? Why? I
Speaker 1: think you told us what percentage of women are What
Speaker 1: is it? Six percent percent of all Congress members are
Speaker 1: moms with kids eighteen or younger. That's it. So it's
Speaker 1: just not a priority for anybody else. It's a priority
Speaker 1: of tax cuts to the top one percent, but it's
Speaker 1: not a priority to have universal healthcare. We had universal
Speaker 1: childcare during World War Two. They passed the Landom Act.
Speaker 1: They set up three thousand universal child care centers. The
Speaker 1: women could join the workforce. Second the war was over,
Speaker 1: men came back, sent women home. They've disbanded three thousand
Speaker 1: child care centers. We almost had universal child here again
Speaker 1: Nixon vetoed it and said, we don't want the government
Speaker 1: to be too involved in the family life. The reality
Speaker 1: is childcare is one of the most basic economic issues.
Speaker 1: Before the pandemic, we lost fifty seven billion dollars a
Speaker 1: year because of the lack of childcare. If you don't
Speaker 1: have so many in office who understands that you're not
Speaker 1: going to have policies that actually helped working families and
Speaker 1: the realities by the time you realize how screwed up
Speaker 1: our policies are in this country. As a mother, you're
Speaker 1: too busy trying to survive, to survive new motherhood, to
Speaker 1: survive keeping your job. You don't have time to go
Speaker 1: out and fight for systemic change. I mean, I understood
Speaker 1: this very very well. I knew how bet our policies were.
Speaker 1: But frankly, I thought I would have access to pay leave,
Speaker 1: but I thought I'd be able to get into a
Speaker 1: child care center. Neither were true. Neither. I mean, I
Speaker 1: remember there was a woman who was in there when
Speaker 1: I was looking at one of the child care centers,
Speaker 1: and she knew that her boyfriend was about to propose.
Speaker 1: She literally calculated when he would go, when she would
Speaker 1: get married, when the baby, when she would do you
Speaker 1: know how long? How many forward advanced three years down
Speaker 1: the road, and she put her name on the way
Speaker 1: list three years. I was six months pregnant. I was screwed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you have to move home to Long Island and
Speaker 1: pray that your mom is available and at a financial
Speaker 1: place where she can, like either retire or only work
Speaker 1: part time so that she can help you part time.
Speaker 1: It's awful. I moved back to Long Island for free
Speaker 1: childcare so that my mom could watch my babies, and
Speaker 1: I changed my entire work schedule. For the first two years,
Speaker 1: I worked only in the evenings. I was home with babies.
Speaker 1: She came home with three thirty, and then I would
Speaker 1: work from three thirty dinner time, I put everybody to bed,
Speaker 1: and then I'd work all night. Hmm. It seems just
Speaker 1: so herculean. It seems such a huge amount to climb.
Speaker 1: And I'm so impressed by you trying to fight this,
Speaker 1: and I pray that we see it in our lifetime.
Speaker 1: In your opinion, what's the top country that you would
Speaker 1: like the US to model after. What other country has
Speaker 1: their fucking priorities in the right place? Nor Nordic countries have.
Speaker 1: I mean Germany. Germany is great, Canada is better, England
Speaker 1: is better. But Nordic countries, it's interesting they have about
Speaker 1: of their legislators are are women, So I always wonder
Speaker 1: if it's the fact that they have more women in office.
Speaker 1: We actually have good policies there, or is the fact
Speaker 1: that they have good policies there that they have more
Speaker 1: women in office? Yeah, what is it the chicken or
Speaker 1: the egg? It comes first. I don't know, it's research
Speaker 1: I want to do. Actually, because they have things like
Speaker 1: real paid family leave, paid parentally for both moms and dads.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many one countries that have paid
Speaker 1: paternity leave. They should, they should, they need to. That's
Speaker 1: when you actually have men who are connected to their
Speaker 1: child and their wife and the identity shift and like
Speaker 1: making a good human being and all of these things.
Speaker 1: Nordic countries I've heard. Is this even true that like
Speaker 1: there's paid maternity and paternity leave for up to a
Speaker 1: year in some cases more. Oh so it's possible. I mean,
Speaker 1: these are thriving countries that are doing well, and it's
Speaker 1: it is possible. Why is it not possible here? We
Speaker 1: don't prioritize spending on children. We have so many children
Speaker 1: live in poverty. One in you know, one and four
Speaker 1: women will go back to work ten days after giving birth.
Speaker 1: You're still bleeding ten days after giving birth. Yeah you're
Speaker 1: still in the diaper, Yeah, you're still in pageant. Going
Speaker 1: back to work you know, I had a friend who
Speaker 1: went back to work because her husband was a contractor
Speaker 1: didn't have health insurance, so her her job paid for
Speaker 1: the health insurance because if they had gone on the
Speaker 1: A c A, it wouldn't have covered enough of the
Speaker 1: medicine that he needed. He had a heart condition, wouldn't
Speaker 1: cover it enough, so she went back to work. She's
Speaker 1: spent all of her salary plus like four dollars of
Speaker 1: his salary just to paper childcare. One of our accounty legislators,
Speaker 1: Rebecca Mintiell, who we helped elect in Georgia, she spends
Speaker 1: almost three of her income as a to legislator for
Speaker 1: child here for her four children. You need more people
Speaker 1: like that in office? Is they're the ones who are
Speaker 1: going to prioritize actually taking care of families in this country.
Speaker 1: Do we think that more women and mothers are in
Speaker 1: government because they have an amazing maternity portunity, paid leave
Speaker 1: plan or is it the opposite? And I also want
Speaker 1: to know what are the benefits in these Nordic countries.
Speaker 1: Have we seen what the benefits are to supporting families
Speaker 1: in this way? Yeah? So my theory is that it's
Speaker 1: easier to run for office in many of those countries,
Speaker 1: the cycle is not as long. There's publicly funded elections.
Speaker 1: In many cases in the US, when you run for Congress,
Speaker 1: in particular, the Dietrich will want you to start running
Speaker 1: in January of the off cycle. Literally, that's two years
Speaker 1: almost a running for profice and you have to raise
Speaker 1: millions of dollars. If you had publicly financed elections and
Speaker 1: a two month election cycle, it would be a completely
Speaker 1: different story. You know, you look at New York City
Speaker 1: council races right now, they have public funding, they have matching,
Speaker 1: you know, grants, So all of a sudden and all
Speaker 1: of these seats are been have I honestly can't even
Speaker 1: tell you how many candidates, you know, you look at
Speaker 1: one particular seat, there twelve candidates running. Because it's easier,
Speaker 1: the barriers to entry are now a little bit very easier, right,
Speaker 1: You don't need millions, and you don't need two years
Speaker 1: of being able to work. In other countries, it's easier
Speaker 1: to run for office, and more people will even step
Speaker 1: up and do it. It's it's difficult, especially for state
Speaker 1: level seats. In the US, it's difficult to get working parents,
Speaker 1: especially working moms, to run for office. There are some
Speaker 1: state legislators who get paid a hundred dollars percession. You know,
Speaker 1: in in Virginia you're getting paid seventeen thousand dollars. In George,
Speaker 1: I think it's maybe thirty thou dollars. But I mean
Speaker 1: these are not livable wages. It's very difficult for somebody
Speaker 1: q is a working parent to somebody who is not
Speaker 1: independently wealthy. The people who usually run for state seats
Speaker 1: independently wealthy are independently wealthy, retired old, much older, so
Speaker 1: that they actually have the ability to It's a weird schedule,
Speaker 1: and you need to be able to take lots of
Speaker 1: time off from your regular job. But it's not a
Speaker 1: full time job in many places. There's so much, like,
Speaker 1: so many structural changes that we need to change to
Speaker 1: make running for office something that working parents can do.
Speaker 1: What advice do you have to any of our mother's
Speaker 1: listening who may be fired up run? How do they
Speaker 1: do that? Contact bot mama. That's the first thing. Our
Speaker 1: pack website is about Mama dot org. Our foundation website
Speaker 1: is about Mama Foundation dot org. I will tell you
Speaker 1: that running for office is not as difficult as it seems.
Speaker 1: It's it's hard, it is all consuming. You give up
Speaker 1: your whole life to do it in many cases, especially
Speaker 1: if you're running at the better level. But I remember
Speaker 1: getting into the race and thinking, oh my god, Peter
Speaker 1: King has been there since I was a kid, who
Speaker 1: knows Everything's so smart. The first debate I had with him,
Speaker 1: and he had never debated a candidate in the last
Speaker 1: eight years. I remember driving to the library and I
Speaker 1: remember too an entire box that kept abysmal in the
Speaker 1: back of the car, and my mom and my husband
Speaker 1: were driving, and I always like stick to my stomach,
Speaker 1: and they asked the first question and he opened his
Speaker 1: mouth and every nervousness, just all of my nerves just
Speaker 1: drifted out of my body because he didn't know the answer,
Speaker 1: and he just genuinely did not care about the constituents.
Speaker 1: And so you think that these people who are in
Speaker 1: office are smart and powerful and have all this experience.
Speaker 1: And women have to be asked seven times on average.
Speaker 1: And this is not for mom. So if you're a
Speaker 1: mom with young kids, you have to be asked like
Speaker 1: thirty times. But women have to be asked seven times
Speaker 1: on average before they even consider running, and most will
Speaker 1: start thinking I should run for town counsel or school board.
Speaker 1: Men will say should I start with the House through
Speaker 1: the Senate. Wow, you are probably more qualified and know
Speaker 1: more about the issues and care more than the person
Speaker 1: you're going to run against. There are so many people
Speaker 1: who are there because it was the right timing or
Speaker 1: the political alliance is aligned. They're not there because they
Speaker 1: work their butts off. There are some people who are
Speaker 1: there because of that, but there are also a lot
Speaker 1: of people there there because they knew the right person
Speaker 1: and they were there at the right time. Sure, sure,
Speaker 1: run for office. That's that's my advice. Call us. We
Speaker 1: will help you, and you should run. What about mothers
Speaker 1: who want to create change but are really terrified of
Speaker 1: the time and giving up their whole life. How is
Speaker 1: it possible to be a mom and create change without
Speaker 1: dedicating all the things that you did. Yes, you should
Speaker 1: volunteer for other women, for other moms who are running
Speaker 1: for office. Again, contact us, reach out, throw a fundraiser.
Speaker 1: The most important thing that you can do is to
Speaker 1: raise funds to help get these moms into office. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: until we have publicly finance selections, you show strength through fundraising. Again,
Speaker 1: nobody took me seriously until I started to outraise King.
Speaker 1: Once I started to outraise King, everybody was like, oh, Ship,
Speaker 1: who's this woman. You can raise money, you can have
Speaker 1: the power, you can hire the stuff, you can actually
Speaker 1: get out there and talk to voters. Unfortunately, that's what's
Speaker 1: the most important part right now of running profice is
Speaker 1: you need to You need to be able to raise
Speaker 1: the money to run a campaign. It's hard to do.
Speaker 1: It's very hard to do. So you can help throw fundraiser,
Speaker 1: if you can help knock on doors, if you can
Speaker 1: help make phone calls, text bank, do anything for other
Speaker 1: women or other moms running exactly for other moms who
Speaker 1: are running for seats that you think you can flip. Volunteer.
Speaker 1: Volunteer to raise funds and to get out and talk
Speaker 1: to voters. It's the most important thing you can do
Speaker 1: because no one can do it on their own. I
Speaker 1: have the most incredible volunteer team, and because we had
Speaker 1: such great volunteers, we were able to knock on more
Speaker 1: than two doors. I remember thinking in the beginning, how
Speaker 1: are we going to contact all these voters? We did
Speaker 1: it because we had an incredible crew of volunteers. Wow.
Speaker 1: So impressive. What strategies can moms used to gain confidence
Speaker 1: and talk themselves into going for a higher office position.
Speaker 1: So I will tell you in the beginning, when I
Speaker 1: started fundraising, I had a really hard time asking for
Speaker 1: max out contributions. I felt guilty. I felt like I
Speaker 1: was asking for money for me and a candidate who
Speaker 1: was running California who was getting all these max outs.
Speaker 1: I said, Torris, and how are you doing this? And
Speaker 1: she said, you have to stop thinking about it as
Speaker 1: money for you. It's an investment in your community. You
Speaker 1: are not running for yourself. You're running for your kids.
Speaker 1: You're running for your kids friends. You're running for your friends.
Speaker 1: You're running for everybody in your community. You're there to
Speaker 1: be their voice. So if you don't worry about you
Speaker 1: know you yourself, like, what you look like, what you
Speaker 1: sound like, but you are there to be an advocate
Speaker 1: for them, and you realize that you're trying to build
Speaker 1: a better community, it changes. There's a perspective shift in this.
Speaker 1: The first televised debate I had with King, I was
Speaker 1: very nervous. As long as you care, that's all that matters.
Speaker 1: I remember walking out of that debate and my campaign
Speaker 1: manager who always had something to say. Remember her looking
Speaker 1: at me and she said, I have I am speechless,
Speaker 1: I have no words. And I remember walking up going
Speaker 1: I think I did terribly. I felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: I was emotional all of this. I watched it the
Speaker 1: next day. I bought a glass of wine. I sat
Speaker 1: down my mom and my husband. My mom couldn't stop laughing.
Speaker 1: She had to keep pausing it because she was laughing
Speaker 1: so hard. She's like, it's like watching you in the
Speaker 1: kitchen yell at me about politics, and it was you
Speaker 1: just go in there and you yourself. And I will
Speaker 1: tell you that every mom who I've ever met who's
Speaker 1: run with young kids, none of them are doing it
Speaker 1: as a political crement. They're all doing it because there
Speaker 1: was one particular issue that they reached out to their
Speaker 1: representative about that said you know, I need help with this,
Speaker 1: and either they didn't get any response or they got
Speaker 1: a really nasty your response, and they said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this, I'm going to be the change.
Speaker 1: Exactly how can we influence change in this country? Do
Speaker 1: you think we're going to see Luba? I feel like
Speaker 1: we're the similar age will our daughters have paid maternity. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it will be good enough, but
Speaker 1: it'll be a start. My daughter is about to be seven,
Speaker 1: and I think about what her life will be like.
Speaker 1: I remember when Donald Trump was selected, and I remember
Speaker 1: sitting on the couch watching the numbers roll in, and
Speaker 1: Nicholas was nursing and he was a couple of months old,
Speaker 1: and I remember looking at Nila, who was just too
Speaker 1: and thinking this cannot be the first president that she remembers.
Speaker 1: This is a man who probably boasts actually assaulting woman,
Speaker 1: and he's the president. And I have a two year old,
Speaker 1: and everything that I've done over the last on what
Speaker 1: five years now has been specifically because I don't want
Speaker 1: my kids to grow up in a country that treats
Speaker 1: people this way. It will change if we keep working
Speaker 1: to help good people run for office. If you work
Speaker 1: to get good people in topice, people who care about
Speaker 1: the issues, people who are going to fight the good fights,
Speaker 1: who are going to stand up for people who are
Speaker 1: going to pass legislation that actually helps working people in
Speaker 1: this country, it will change. It's not going to change overnight.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at right now with with Biden's
Speaker 1: American Family's Plan it's not your personal childcare. But it's
Speaker 1: the first time we have a president talking about childcare
Speaker 1: as an infrastructure issue. You know when I when I ran,
Speaker 1: anytime I talked about paid leave or childcare, someone would
Speaker 1: always say, stick to the bread and butter issues and
Speaker 1: ignore the women's issues. Oh god, if we had similar
Speaker 1: labor force participation arts to countries like Canada and Germany
Speaker 1: that have paid family that have subsidized childcare, we'd have
Speaker 1: five and a half million more women in the workforce.
Speaker 1: We'd add five hundred billion dollars a year to the economy.
Speaker 1: This is not a woman's issue. It is a family
Speaker 1: issue and economic issue. It's an issue that affects every American.
Speaker 1: And for the first time we saw presidential debates where
Speaker 1: they were talking about child care and paid leave. So
Speaker 1: there is already a ship and because of this pandemic,
Speaker 1: because if everything that has happened over the last year,
Speaker 1: you finally are starting to see people understand that it's
Speaker 1: an economic issue, it's an infrastructure issue. People are finally
Speaker 1: beginning to get it. But even the American Families Plan
Speaker 1: doesn't go up hard enough. I was going to say,
Speaker 1: what do you think of the American Family's Plan, So
Speaker 1: it's not universal childcare, it's universal pre K. Basically, what
Speaker 1: they say is affordable is capping what a family spends
Speaker 1: on childcare at seven percent of their income. Biden's plan
Speaker 1: only hast what a family spends up to seven percent
Speaker 1: if you're making one point five times your state's median income.
Speaker 1: So if you live in New York City, you make
Speaker 1: a hundred and two thousand dollars a year, which sounds
Speaker 1: like a lot, you could be spending fifty dollars almost
Speaker 1: sixty dollars on childcare if you have two kids in childcare,
Speaker 1: sixty percent of your own If you live in Georgia
Speaker 1: and you're making like eighty and your two kids in childcare,
Speaker 1: you're still spending about your income on childcare. That's a
Speaker 1: percent camp It needs to be for everybody. It doesn't
Speaker 1: need to be for people only making up to one
Speaker 1: point five times. So that's the first thing I think
Speaker 1: needs to change. Um. The second thing is there needs
Speaker 1: to be more funding. This does not provide universal childcare
Speaker 1: for so many kids in this country. It doesn't go
Speaker 1: far enough, and it's a great start, it's a down payment,
Speaker 1: but even it doesn't even provide enough funding to to
Speaker 1: get Patty Murray's original bill passed. So that is I'm
Speaker 1: glad that we're talking about it. I mean, I've never
Speaker 1: even seen a president talk about it that haven't be
Speaker 1: in the foreground. So that is great. It's a start.
Speaker 1: The family leave policy is literally only twelve weeks. And
Speaker 1: you you've had baby, you understand that that's nothing. Not
Speaker 1: saying oh my god, when my friends being like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like three months and my my company is
Speaker 1: never going to make it without me for three months,
Speaker 1: I'm like you, guys, three months is fucking nothing. Even still,
Speaker 1: you haven't like healed correctly, your stomach abs are not
Speaker 1: back for babies. Eyes are barely open it up. Your
Speaker 1: baby's eyes. Yeah, I know, it's nothing. It's absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: I mean many countries have a year and more, but
Speaker 1: there should be bare minimum of six months. And you
Speaker 1: look at you look at childcare. Okay, childcare has been
Speaker 1: a failed industry forever because parents are spending so much money.
Speaker 1: But then you look at the child care workers. The
Speaker 1: people who own child care centers, they operate on razors
Speaker 1: thin margins. So people who work at child your centers
Speaker 1: are overwhelmingly women. Of color, and they're getting paid, if
Speaker 1: they're lucky, ten dollars an hour. So, for instance, if
Speaker 1: you work in a kindergarten, you get paid thirty dollars
Speaker 1: an hour. If you work in a child care center,
Speaker 1: you're getting paid ten dollars an hour. Half of our
Speaker 1: child care center workers literally live on public assistance. They
Speaker 1: can't afford to even send their own kids to save childcare.
Speaker 1: So this is an industry that does not work without
Speaker 1: proper investment. We need to invest in in childcare the
Speaker 1: way that we invest in kindergarten through high school. It
Speaker 1: needs to be a public good. What are some straightforward,
Speaker 1: easy to understand resources that parents can refer to in
Speaker 1: order to learn more about candidates and all the causes
Speaker 1: they stand for. Go to our websites. You can start
Speaker 1: there the Foundation website. We'll talk to you all about
Speaker 1: policy and exactly what we're doing. There are tool kids,
Speaker 1: we have social media toolkits, we have legislator toolkits, we
Speaker 1: have candidate toolkits. We have everything that you need on
Speaker 1: the Foundation website, the pack website, you can apply if
Speaker 1: you're running for office, but you can click on all
Speaker 1: of our all of our candidates, all of the people
Speaker 1: that we're supporting the moms across the country and learn
Speaker 1: about them and learn about their races and support them. Guys,
Speaker 1: don't you here. I just think this is all so inspiring.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're all are really walking the walk. Finish
Speaker 1: this sentence. Parenthood is hard and incredible. You can't really
Speaker 1: separate them. My husband, we were in the grocery store
Speaker 1: the other day and we had all three of them
Speaker 1: with us, and somebody came up to us and it
Speaker 1: was a man, of course, and it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: miss those days. And my husband's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna miss these days. I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: going to. And I looked at only I'm gonna miss
Speaker 1: these days Like it is physically like somebody actually said that.
Speaker 1: They're like when you have young kids, it's like all
Speaker 1: it's all physical. It's physically consuming, you're trying to protect them,
Speaker 1: and then as they get older, it's much more emotionally consuming.
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to that art yet, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: miss these days. I it is hard as hell. It
Speaker 1: is literally all consuming, but it's the most incredible thing.
Speaker 1: I Mean, you get a front rosie to the most
Speaker 1: incredible thing ever. You're literally raising tiny little people and
Speaker 1: getting to see them grow from these babies into these
Speaker 1: people with their own thoughts. You know, my daughter one
Speaker 1: of my favorite moments of my campaign, she was three
Speaker 1: at the time, and we were at the governor. Governor
Speaker 1: was signing the paper mean Ye Villa, New York. It
Speaker 1: was New Year's Eve, and she said to me after
Speaker 1: he finished speaking, she said, Mama, are you're going to
Speaker 1: get up there and speak? And I said, no, baby,
Speaker 1: it's not my event. And she ran up to the
Speaker 1: podium and she asked me to pick her up, and
Speaker 1: she gave a speech and her pepper pig dress and
Speaker 1: it's all. My favorite photo from the entire campaign is
Speaker 1: Milia speech because she learned that that's normal. Ah, how awesome.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I love parenthood. It's crazy and amazing.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful, Luba. I cannot thank you enough. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for coming on Katie's crib. I've learned so
Speaker 1: much today, And you know, I usually feel pretty heartbroken
Speaker 1: about this stuff and feel like it's just such a
Speaker 1: mountain to climb, especially paid family leave, and especially are
Speaker 1: horrible universal stile care issues, and I just feel like
Speaker 1: vote Mama for everyone listening Vote Mama. It's Vote Mama
Speaker 1: dot org and Vote Mama Foundation dot org. You can
Speaker 1: go to to really look into all the candidates, learn
Speaker 1: about them. You can figure out how you can get
Speaker 1: help if you're interested and dangling your tosias in figuring
Speaker 1: out how to run, and also figuring out if you
Speaker 1: don't want to run yourself, how you can help, how
Speaker 1: you can volunteer for Vote Mama, or volunteer for some
Speaker 1: candidate in your area, or help fundraise or help knock
Speaker 1: on doors, all of these things. We've got to work
Speaker 1: together as mo moms to get some real structural changes happening.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it's a it's a mountain, but we gotta
Speaker 1: we gotta do it, guys, we gotta do what. We
Speaker 1: gotta do it together. Thank you so much Luba for
Speaker 1: coming on. Thank you, this was a lot of fun.
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