1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: We've learned a lot about civilization since Hamas carried out 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: terrorist attacks against Israel, and none of it's good. We've 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: seen a media willing to carry out and push Hamas propaganda. 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: We've seen people in America and Western countries take to 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: the streets in support of terrorists, in support of Hamas. 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: We've seen aa devaluing of human life when people don't 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: see the moral clarity that is necessary to denounce and 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: condemn evil when we see it. And evil, of course, 9 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: is the slaughter of babies, the slaughter of women, the 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: slaughter of elderly. So what does that say about society? 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: Do we as the West and as America, do we 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: no longer value human life? You look at a lot 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: of this civilization, all issues that are happening right now. 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: What does this mean for the future of the country. 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: The best person to turn to, in my opinion and 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: for these kinds of conversations is Victor Davis Hanson. Of course, 17 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: everyone's very familiar with his work. He's a senior fellow 18 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He's brilliant. We all 19 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: know that we've had him on the show before. We 20 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: all watch him on Fox News. I mean, the man 21 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: is brilliant, so I wanted to have him on the 22 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: show to walk us through where we are as a country, 23 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: as a people, where humanity is today with the anti 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: Semitism that we're seeing around the country and around the world. 25 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: We're also going to get into some other issues like 26 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: what to do about Iran, why the media and the 27 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: left are treating is real different than Ukraine, and a 28 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: lot of other issues as well. But I think you're 29 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: really going to enjoy this conversation. I know I learned 30 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: a lot from it, and I hope you do too, 31 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: So stay tuned for Victor Davis Hanson. Victor Davis Hanson, 32 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: It's always an honor to have you on the show. 33 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: You always have so much wisdom. Are certainly in some 34 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: pretty scary times as a country and just in the world. 35 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: Right now, we saw the media falsely blame Israel for 36 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: a hospital bombing. Were originally told that five hundred Palestinians 37 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: at the hospital in Gaza had been killed by an 38 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: Israeli air strike. Of course that turned out not to 39 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: be true. Why was the media so eager to believe 40 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: hamas propaganda? 41 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: Well, I think the media, if that could use that 42 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: generic term is a product of the American left. It 43 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: comes out of higher educations, journalism schools. In many cases, 44 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: it's a bi coastal phenomenon, and they understand that to 45 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: succeed in the New York Times or PBS or NPR 46 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: or the Network News or any of these mainstream media 47 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: outlets Reuter's ap you have to have a particular ideology. 48 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: And it's kind of like an insurance policy and dimnity policy. 49 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: And if you were to be conservative or disinterested or 50 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 2: somewhat sympathetic to Israel, or at least not biased, then 51 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: you're going to be in trouble. So I think that's 52 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: part of it. And then the other sort of groupthink 53 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: that it just gets to a narrative and then they 54 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: go with it and it gets reaffirmed by on the campuses, 55 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: the whole liberal infrastructure of corporate media, the corporate boardroom, entertainment, 56 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: professional sports, K through twelve, the campus, all the foundations. 57 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: All of these institutions are controlled by the center left 58 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: or hard left, and they become something that people want 59 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: to be a part of, and so you become a 60 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: part of that by spreading these stories that confirm the narrative. 61 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: That Western civilization is bad, America is bad, and Israel 62 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: is particularly bad because you have the added ingredient of 63 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: anti Semitism. And it's pretty pretty. That story, Lisa, was 64 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: very strange because if you follow the logic of it, 65 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: it was so Islamic jihad was in a rivalry with Hamas, 66 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: and it wanted to claim that it killed as many 67 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: Jews as Hamas, so it began firing missiles as well 68 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 2: towards civilian targets, which is a war crime without I mean, 69 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: the idea phones people. It explains why it's doing what 70 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: it is, but not the so called militants. And by 71 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: the way, no one in the media uses the word 72 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 2: jihadis terrorists. So when they were doing that, they missed 73 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: or misfired, and they hit this hospital parking lot, and 74 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: then they announced that the Israelis had done it with 75 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: a bomb, even though there was no evidence of a crater, 76 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: that the shrapnel from the rocket was of indigenous or 77 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: Iranian or either Palestinian origin. There were tap everybody knows 78 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: the script now, there were tap phone calls admissions of it, 79 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: so that evidence was very quickly overwhelming. But what I 80 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 2: was curious about is protests broke out all over the 81 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: Middle East and here at home buying the humas Palestinian lie. 82 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: But what had happened if the rocket hadn't hit the hospital? 83 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 2: In other words, what if these terrorists had just sent 84 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: the rocket killed some people in Tel Aviv as was intended. 85 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: There would have been no protest, there would have been 86 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: no campus disruptions on that particular day. We wouldn't have 87 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: been feeling guilty and handed over one hundred million dollars. 88 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 2: And I know that sounds kind of crazy, But then 89 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: Joe Biden, on the way back from the Middle East 90 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 2: said the following, you know, it's just a problem. I 91 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: don't think they meant to do it. It's the old 92 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: thing you got to show. Meaning if they had just 93 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: shot straight like they intended, then I wouldn't be in 94 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: this mess. They would have just killed some Jews and 95 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: nobody care. That was really frightening, you. 96 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: Know, Victory, you talk about sort of this leftist ideology, 97 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: the animosity towards Israel and really the animosity towards Jews. 98 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: But we saw the torture of innocent people, you know, 99 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: the slaughter of babies, the slaughter of women, the slaughter 100 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: of elderly. If that's not enough to find moral clarity. Now, 101 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: are we any different as a society from terrorists like 102 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: Camas who don't value human life? 103 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: Well, when you say we, I mean that's a collective 104 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 2: for three hundred and thirty million Americans. And I think 105 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: I was just on online and I just saw a 106 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: poll that said should you give money? And this was 107 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: a local poll here in California on a website, and 108 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: that said should we give money to a moss? And 109 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: when you click on your preference, it gives you the 110 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: immediate result, so very thousands of people and it was 111 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 2: eighty three percent No. So what we're talking about, I 112 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 2: think is a very vocal, high profile, but nevertheless small 113 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: minority of people. And yes, you're right there, completely without 114 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 2: moral bearings, and that's I think also that's amplified by 115 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: our reaction as the host. They know there's no consequences, 116 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: and when every rare occasion when there is a consequence, 117 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: like we had the New York law student who was 118 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: very adamant and bragging about her pro am moss, which 119 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: was really a pro death stance. She was out in 120 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: fatigues demonstrating, and then when this silk stalking law firm 121 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: said you know, we're not going to hire you. She 122 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: almost fell apart and it was almost a cause celeb 123 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: and she was needed counseling. And I think that's part 124 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: of it. We empower all of this, and we don't 125 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: have to be vindictive. I think we really need to 126 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: enforce our moral stance, our moral values, and we need 127 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: to do it home. And so if Joe Biden is 128 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: going over to really kind of beg Jordan, which is 129 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: an autocratic but pro American government but nevertheless gets a 130 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: billion dollars, and Egypt gets over a billion dollars, and 131 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: the Palestinians and aggregate get a billion dollars, and they say, 132 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: we don't want to meet with you because we believe 133 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: this outright lie. And even if it is an outright lie, 134 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: which they knew it was, we're still not going to 135 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: meet with you because we can't trust our own street. 136 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: Then I don't think we need to get mad. We 137 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: just need to say we're not going to give you 138 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: any money. And if Guitar says, you know, we're going 139 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: to have Hamas here and you're going to like it, 140 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: I think we can have to say, well, we have 141 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: twenty five other installations in the Middle East, but there's 142 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: no need for us to have sentcom in your country, 143 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: so we're not going to do it. And the same 144 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: thing with our students. We just need to say, well, 145 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: if you want to go out and protest and you 146 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: want to support killers, then we're going to take a 147 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: look at higher education. And if the president of Harvard, 148 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: the president of Stanford can't make it a clear moral statement, 149 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: and we're not asking you to make moral statements. That's 150 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: been your custom and tradition that you make moral statements 151 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 2: that are really not central to your educational mission. But 152 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 2: if you want to do that, then we have to 153 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 2: do certain reactions. And one of them was we're going 154 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: to tax your endowments and we're going to take a 155 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 2: sharp look at whether we need to subsidize student loans. 156 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: We think that you should do it. You have a 157 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: particular ideology. You're not fond of the mainstream America. You 158 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: take those huge endowments and you back your student loans yourself, 159 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 2: and at they default, you have the moral hazard. I 160 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 2: think if we just did that, we would see a 161 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 2: sharp change in behavior. So we've empowered this. I think 162 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 2: it's through laxity or fear. But we've allowed a small 163 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: minority here and a large minority a majority abroad, to 164 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: have the wrong impression of us that we're weak, we're 165 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: a moral like they are, and we can't do anything 166 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 2: about it, and we need to stop that. 167 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: But I guess, you know, I'm pro life, and so 168 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: I look at even the movement on abortion from safe, 169 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: legal and rare to up until the moment of birth, 170 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: and it just feels like, as a society, we don't 171 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,599 Speaker 1: value human life anymore. And that is a big differentiating 172 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: factor between us and you know terrorist groups or this, 173 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: you know, radical Islamic, you know religions, right, is that 174 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: they don't believe in the sanctity of life, And I 175 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: just I wonder if we do anymore as a society. 176 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: I think you made a good point. We're getting to 177 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: that point. But I was watching a video of the 178 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: killers yesterday. These are the fifteen hundred that went in 179 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: slaughtered Jews. Not only were they killers and they reveled 180 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 2: in killing, but when one of them got wounded, they 181 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 2: just left him on the field. In other words, they 182 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: went over there and they just shrugged and said, you 183 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 2: know what, leave him to the Jews and We don't 184 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: do that on our military, and we don't do what 185 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: Hamas does. As a collective society, we don't allow that. 186 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 2: But I think your worry is founded that when you 187 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 2: allow eight to ten thousand partial birth abortion, that's kind 188 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: of a euphemism killing a fetus a baby and considering 189 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: it just a fetus that you would kill. Then that 190 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: has an incremental effect on a courseing of society. And 191 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: when there's no consequences at all to this pro death 192 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 2: movement in the Middle East, then there's consequences and it spreads. 193 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: And so I think we're in a kind of a 194 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: civil war as far as our values are concerned. We 195 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: have a strong, well funded minority that is trying to 196 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: impose its values on us. And you're right, it's a 197 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 2: moral and it says to us if biological males say, 198 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: at this given time they're women, they're going to have 199 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: a right to undress in front of preteen girls in 200 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,599 Speaker 2: locker rooms, or destroy fifth half century of work, to 201 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 2: have parody among women and males sports, and there's nothing 202 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: we can do about Well, there is something we can 203 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: do about it, and we can't let these people hijack 204 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: our culture. And then impose their values on the rest 205 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: of us. Every Time that people kind of in a 206 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: disjointed fashion, even push back, whether it's Anheuser Busch or 207 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: Disney or Target or against the campuses, they react, They 208 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 2: can't fit. They kind of melt down, and you can 209 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: see that the power is with the majority. But we haven't. 210 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: We've kind of, I don't know what it is, a 211 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 2: monastery of the mind. We kind of just withdraw. Well. 212 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: I can't deal with these people. They're so terrible. I'm 213 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: going to move to Tennessee or Texas if you're in California, 214 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: or I'm not going to watch the oscars. I never 215 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: watch the NBA anymore, and that I homeschool put. That's 216 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: a legitimate reaction to the madness, but it's not going 217 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: to stop the madness. We have to engage, gauge these people. 218 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: I am guilty of that because I did leave New 219 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: York City for Floor. 220 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am too, and I live out in a 221 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: farm and I work in Stanford, but I won't live 222 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 2: in that community. It's just insane and the campus is insane. 223 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: And I try to be there. I try to fulfill 224 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: my duties according to my contract, but I don't spend 225 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 2: one extra second on that campus, even though I graduate 226 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: graduated from there, and my mother graduated, my aunt did. 227 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: But I have nothing but contempt for it. I don't 228 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: mean that me mean way. I just mean that the hierarchy. 229 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,599 Speaker 2: I like the students, some of the faculty. I like 230 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: the idea of Stanford Medical School, and they do a 231 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: lot of good, but not the way it is manifested. Now. 232 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: You know, Biden on Twitter keeps trying to draw a 233 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: line between the Palestinians versus Hamas, But you know, you 234 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: look at Hamas was elected to power in two thousand 235 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: and six. You can look at polling as recently as 236 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one after that conflict, where the majority of 237 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: Palestinians supported Hamas. You can look at some of the 238 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: things that young children are taught. You can look at 239 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, even teens have been a 240 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: part of, you know, the slaughter of Jews, Palestinian teens. 241 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: So I mean, should we delineate between the two or 242 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: are they one of the same. 243 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 2: No, they're one and the same. I mean, And you 244 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: can see that with these horrific videos that are just 245 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: now starting to appear in number, that when they brought 246 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: back the corpse of an Israeli girl, or a tank, 247 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: a person out of a tank, or there were captives 248 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: and there were crowds surging on them, or even when 249 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: there was a hole in the fence and crowds started 250 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: to follow the killers, there was complete support nobody. I 251 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: didn't see anybody in the crowd say, please, don't mutilate 252 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: that poor dead girl. They were eager to do it. 253 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: And you have the same idea out here when you 254 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: see people that are first and even second generation from 255 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: the West Bank or Gaza and they're prot testing. They're 256 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: not saying stop the violence. They're talking about Palestine to 257 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: the sea, the elimination, and that means the destruction all Israelis. 258 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: So there is no difference. And why do we say 259 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: there is, because the enormity of the truth is incomprehensible 260 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: to our elite. What would that entail, Lisa, If you 261 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: said there was no difference, you would say that large 262 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: segments of the Middle East despise Western culture. They are hypocritical. 263 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: They want our technology, they want our wealth, but they 264 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 2: don't want the processes and the foundations that create it. 265 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: They're pre civilizational in some cases. And we should not 266 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: engage with them. We shouldn't be giving money to them, 267 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: we shouldn't allow them to come over here. And you 268 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: use our platforms, our universities with student visas or green cards, 269 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: and then trash the very system that host them. And 270 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: it is kind of strange. You see, what we've created 271 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 2: is kind of a monstrosity where somebody from the Middle 272 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: East flees Syria or Iraq or Lebanon or the West 273 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: Bank or Gaza and they want to come here and 274 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: they say they're refugees, and that means we have to 275 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: flee the dictators. We have to flee the sexism, we 276 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: have to flee the violence, we have to free the poverty, 277 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: we have to flee the corruption the state runs socialism. 278 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: We want to come where it's not there. And once 279 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: we get here, we guarantee you that from a safe 280 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 2: distance and given your magnanimity, we're going to champion everything 281 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: we left. And that's what they're doing. And we say, okay, 282 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: it's fine, just trash us. We're not going to try 283 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: to assimilate, integrate you in American customs and values. We 284 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: have no civic education, and that's we created this franket 285 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: I know and we created a Frankensteinian monsoter. 286 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: What does that mean for it? 287 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: It means that half the country has no faith in America. 288 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 2: They do believe, they believe sixteen nineteen was the foundational date. 289 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 2: They renamed streets. They just do whatever they want on 290 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 2: the premise, on the premise that there is still enough 291 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 2: people who are going to create a free market and 292 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 2: sustain it and a constitutional system and the rule of law, 293 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: and it's going to be therefore a prosperous place and 294 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 2: relatively safe, and that they're not going to the left 295 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: completely take over. And now what's weird about it is 296 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 2: the left, for the first time in my lifetime, has 297 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: almost completely taken over. They've defunded the police, they've made 298 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: our downtowns unlivabool, They've led an eight million illegal aliens, 299 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: and that is starting to affect the architects themselves a 300 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: bi coastal elite. And it's almost as if they're saying 301 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 2: to us, and you can really see it with a 302 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 2: shock of a lot of left wing people in the 303 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: Democratic Party think, Wow, these people to leave the squad. 304 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 2: These people hate us, us, they hate America. And so 305 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 2: we've allowed it to go on so long that now 306 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: for the first time in my life, and think maybe yours. 307 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: It's starting to affect the very way we live. The 308 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: safety of our travel, the ability to go to a downtown, 309 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: the assurance that if somebody hits you on the street, 310 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 2: they will be prosecuted. The idea that an education that 311 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 2: you go to a college it was memocratic. The students 312 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 2: will all be of a particular level of competence, the 313 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: faculty can maintain a certain level of rigor. And that's 314 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 2: not true anymore. And it's starting to filter down to 315 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: every aspect of society. That's what I'm most worried about. 316 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 2: There's a breakdown of civilization and brought on by this. 317 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to have the United States work on 318 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 2: the principles I see in Gaza are even in Europe. 319 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break more with Victor Davis 320 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: Hansen on the other side. You know, the left likes 321 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: to talk about things like decolonization. You know, what is 322 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: the end objective with that? For some of these. 323 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: People, when they say decolonization, it's a it's a part 324 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: of room, it's a faculty lounge trope. I mean decolonization 325 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: would mean the removal of all Western traces from supposedly 326 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 2: superior indigenous places. So take the Middle East. You would 327 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: go back to what the Ottomans had, the Ottoman Empire 328 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: that controlled the whole Middle East for four hundred years, 329 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,959 Speaker 2: or the Khaliphate before that, and we know what that is. 330 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: There would be a harem, there would be no rights 331 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: for women, there would be stoning of gays, you'd live 332 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: by Sharia law, and there would be no pre market. 333 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: And the only place in the Middle East, and I 334 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: think I've been to every single country, with the exception 335 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 2: of Iran and maybe one Gulf state, the only place 336 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: that works are the wealthy golf sheet and they only 337 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 2: work because they inherit import thousands of workers to do 338 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: their work, but more importantly, thousands of Western contractors, architects, doctors, 339 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: lawyers to run their system for them and everywhere else 340 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 2: to the degree that it's not Western, it's a mess. 341 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 2: And that mess would be everywhere if they decolonized, if 342 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 2: that's the term they prefer to use, and they know it, 343 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: they wouldn't be able to do what they do. So 344 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: you take representative to leave, and she's screaming and yelling 345 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 2: and perpetuating this lie, and incidentally I thought Merrick Garland 346 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: established a principle if you disrupt a session of Congress 347 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: or you occupy the rotunda, and you're an elected official 348 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 2: and you egg that on, then you're going to be 349 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: subject to severe felonies convictions if you're guilty. But nevertheless, 350 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: does she really believe she could go back to Gaza 351 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: as a woman and stand up on a corner and 352 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: start damming the government of amass and saying, you know what, 353 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: you don't give women rights and you're corrupt, and you 354 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 2: haven't brought sewer and water and powers you prompt They 355 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 2: would execute her. She knows that she only does that. 356 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: It's the hierary of it because you look at you know, 357 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: people queers for Palestine or transfer Palestine, and these people 358 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: would be murdered there. It's like, are they just that 359 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: ignorant or what is the disconnects her? 360 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: Yes, they are ignorant. They don't go there to lead, 361 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: doesn't go over to Gaza, and they none of those 362 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: people want to go back. And in fact, the one 363 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: thing that Donald Trump did, if you remember, that got 364 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: people the most furious. He did a lot of things 365 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 2: that were really good that really irritated the left, but 366 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 2: The worst was he issued a travel band almost immediately on. 367 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: I think it was eight countries that practiced terrorism, and 368 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: about five of them were from the Middle East, and 369 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: they went ballistic because they under stood that there's a 370 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: whole gravy train of visiting fellowships, foundation scholarships, student visas, 371 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 2: a whole gravy train for people from these illiberal societies 372 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 2: to come over here and then be pets or ponds 373 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 2: or court gesters to our left and make a lot 374 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 2: of money or at least have a lifestyle impossible where 375 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 2: they came from. And you know, it's almost like, well, 376 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: please come over here and attack us. We enjoy it. 377 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 2: And so yeah, they're ignorant, and our people are ignorant. 378 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: They don't go over there, they don't live there, and 379 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 2: once the second generation comes, they don't want to go back. 380 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: And it's all predicated. The rest of us will keep 381 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: creating this system, ignore the criticism, try to maintain two 382 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty two years of constitutional custom and tradition, 383 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 2: and therefore they will have prosperity, freedom and security and 384 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: will that means the margin of era is so great 385 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 2: that they have the luxury to trash the very system 386 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: that they prosper wander and it gets very frustrating for 387 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 2: the rest of us to watch it. And at some 388 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 2: point some people are going to say, I'm not going 389 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 2: to do it anymore. And I think that we're reaching 390 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 2: that point. 391 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: It's very frustrating. 392 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 2: Sir. 393 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're all very concerned about just 394 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: the instability that has taking place so quickly under this administration. 395 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: What do we do about Iran? Sir, I mean, I mean, obviously, 396 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: you know Biden, you know, created this this monster. But 397 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: you know, what do we do about Iran? And you 398 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: know where does this head regionally in the Middle East. 399 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 2: Half of me says, if you're going to protest on 400 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: behalf of Hamas, which is an Iranranian subsidized pond, and 401 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 2: you're an Arab Sunni nation and you know that Iran 402 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: hates you, then that's your problem. We're not going to 403 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: help you anymore. We're not going to give That's half 404 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: of me. The other half says, Look, Iran is going 405 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 2: to get the bomb, and when it does, it's going 406 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 2: to strike Israel or a European country or US, and 407 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: we've got it to deal with it, and we've got 408 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 2: to accept the fact that Barack Obama created this problem. 409 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 2: Even under Clinton, we didn't do what he did. He 410 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: had a notion of creating an Iranian Shia crescent. That 411 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: meant Iran was going to be empowered the Assads Hesbaalah 412 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 2: Lebanon Amas and that would create I guess he called 413 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 2: it at one point creative tension in the Middle East, 414 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 2: and we would tell the Gulf shecdoms that were pro 415 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 2: American and Israel, we're going to withdraw now, and every 416 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 2: time you do something that we don't like, we're going 417 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 2: to let this new crescent press back or push on you. 418 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 2: And every time you don't like it will allow you 419 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 2: and then we'll have this creative ying and yang. That's 420 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 2: what they did, and Iran, of course took that magnanimity 421 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: as weakness to be exploited. And the next thing we knew, 422 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: this administration came in in that tradition and they allowed 423 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 2: the sanctions to fall and then they got thirty to 424 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 2: fifty billion dollars of oil revenue. We bought hostages with 425 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: ransom money. I think we'll still probably do it at 426 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: one point two billion scheduled to be paid per hostage 427 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: with sanctioned relief money, and we put this Robert Molly, 428 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: who was a scoundrel and pro Iranian and under FBI 429 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 2: investigation now fired. Ahead of the Rand deal. We let 430 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 2: John Kerry during the Trump administration with a lot of 431 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 2: misadventures all over the globe, meeting Iranians, which is probably illegal, 432 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: to perpetuate this Iran deal. And so they took all 433 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 2: of this and they considered. They concluded that we were weak, 434 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 2: there was no deterrens, and they were ready to do something. 435 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 2: And then they looked at Afghanistan. They looked at what 436 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: Biden had said about he wouldn't react to a Russian 437 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: invasion if it was a minor one. They looked at 438 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 2: the Chinese balloon, They looked at our open border. They 439 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 2: looked at the George Floyd one hundred and twenty Days 440 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: of Mayhem, and they said to themselves, these people not 441 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 2: only appeased us, but they have no deterrence left. So 442 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: they got together about a year ago with Amos and 443 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 2: they said, you know what, there's some other reasons as well. 444 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: We want to stop this Abrams Accord nonsense. Israel's got 445 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 2: internal divisions there. People are not showing up for IDF 446 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: recalls for reservists. So this is a perfect time to 447 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 2: go in and murder Jews because the West is morally 448 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: bankrupt and is afraid of us, and that's what happened. 449 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: So now we have to restore de terrence. And I 450 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: think in the sane world, Biden put is putting two 451 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 2: aircraft carriers there right off the coast. They will be 452 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 2: right off the coast of Lebanon. They're a big, fat target, 453 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 2: and yet they have the most powerful response ability of 454 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 2: any force in the world. They've got about one hundred 455 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: and fifty planes, f thirty five, sixteens, fifteen's, they've got frigate, 456 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,719 Speaker 2: They've got the ability to destroy Hasbelah, and they have 457 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 2: the ability to take out all of Iran's nuclear capability, 458 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: and if it wanted to be punitive, takeout it's water, 459 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: it's sewage, and its infrastructure power. And they just sit 460 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: there and now it's up to Iran and if Iran 461 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: wants to hit them or do we'll see what Biden does. 462 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: Why do you think you know, because obviously you know, 463 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: we weren't able to deter Russia from invading Ukraine either, 464 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: and we're seeing a totally different treatment of Israel than 465 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: we did Ukraine, and we have Ukraine, right. I mean, 466 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: you don't hear the media and the left call for 467 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: you know, Ukraine to engage in a ceasefire. Yet we 468 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: hear some of those calls. So why is that so disproportionate? 469 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: You know what's behind that? 470 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 2: I wrote something the other day about it. I mean, 471 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 2: we say to the world, don't worry about Russia's seven 472 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 2: thousand nuks, they never use them. Then we say, worry 473 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: about Iran. It might start something. We have to be careful. 474 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 2: We say, stop the cycle of violence, don't be purport. 475 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 2: You have to be proportionate Israel. Then we tell Ukraine 476 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: keep fighting to on to Moscow. You have to be disproportionate. 477 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: You have to hit them with everything you had. We're 478 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: going to give you everything. We say to Israel, you 479 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 2: better be as constitutional net Yahoo, don't trample on civil liberties. 480 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 2: Then we say to Zilinski, it's okay, you just suspended 481 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 2: martial law. There is no freedom, there's no elections, you 482 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: suspend them. That's fine. And I could go on, but 483 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: as you pointed out, there's this asymmetry and why is it. Well, 484 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 2: one is there's a systematic I think a anti semitism 485 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: among our elite. Number two in a weird way. The left, 486 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 2: it had fixated on Russia under Obama, and Hillary had 487 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 2: the reset. She pushed the reset button. They appeased Putin, 488 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 2: They appeased him, They appeased him. They said that George 489 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: Bush had gone too hard with sanctions on them because 490 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: of the invasion of Georgia in two thousand and eight, 491 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: and they were going to They put Mike mcfawl over there, 492 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: his ambassador. They were going to appeal to the better 493 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 2: angels of Russia's nature, and they just snubbed them. They 494 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: hated them. They treated that weakness as a proof of 495 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 2: that America was decon and Putin just he went to 496 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: Obama and as Obama said, I cut a deal with him. 497 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: We were going to dismantle all of our missile defense 498 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,479 Speaker 2: with Poland and the checks, and then he was going 499 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 2: to promise to behave during my election. And we did 500 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: that and he behaved. But then after the bargain was over, 501 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 2: he invaded Crime and he invaded the Dombasset. We did 502 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 2: do nothing, and so they got really angry that Putin 503 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: they had reached out to him, and they appeased him, 504 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden he humiliated them and 505 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: he gobbled up all this stuff, and then he did 506 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: the same thing with Biden. And then there was a 507 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 2: final I think Tessa and the sick mosaic, and that 508 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 2: was they had convinced themselves that now that they had 509 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 2: been humiliated by reaching out and being slapped down by Putin, 510 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 2: that he was evil incarnate. He's a bad guy, and 511 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 2: therefore he was involved with Russian collusion, and he tried 512 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 2: to hurt Hillary and that failed. And then they tried 513 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,959 Speaker 2: the Russian disinformation right before the election to help Biden 514 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 2: in the debate. Remember he was going to the fifty 515 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: one intelligence authorities and all that, and that worked. I 516 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 2: think it did affect the debate, maybe the election, but 517 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 2: it was puven got complete lie and both in the impeachments. 518 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 2: If there was a foundational narrative that Trump was also 519 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: a traitor or Putin, that failed that narrative, and now 520 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 2: they finally think, you know what Russia is, what we 521 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 2: always told you, it's evil, as if anybody disagreed, was 522 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: always a Trumpian and now we're going to prove to 523 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: you by empowering Ukraine and it's going to destroy this Russia. 524 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 2: And therefore the collusion and disinformation and all this conspiracy 525 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: stuff that we said was true. After all, that's part 526 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 2: of it. 527 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: Quick commercial breaks, stay with us. 528 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 2: Before we go. 529 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to, you know, even in all of this, 530 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: you know, this conversation that we're having everything going wrong 531 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: in the country, in the world. I worry that people 532 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: are underestimating Democrats' chances, you know, I worry that Trump 533 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: might just have too much baggage to be able to win, 534 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: that he might alienate more. Then you look at what's 535 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: going on the House, Why would anyone trust us to lead? 536 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,479 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know who's worst. The Matt Gates 537 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: wing that stopped that stopped Kevin McCarthy, and they made 538 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 2: it they said, he talks to the Democrats, therefore we're 539 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: going to remove him because we're going to work with 540 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: the Democrats to remove him. Or the Rhino group who said, 541 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 2: because you got to do that, we're going to get 542 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 2: to do it. And just they're just taking this slim 543 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 2: one half of one third of government and they're throwing 544 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 2: it away. And that's really disturbing. And then when I 545 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 2: talk to people, you talk to people in the Trump group, 546 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: and you say to them, listen, these people are serious. 547 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: There's four of them, and they're going to indict Donald Trump. 548 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 2: They have and they said they would never do that. 549 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 2: And then they're going to get a left wing jury, 550 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: a left wing prosecutor, a left wing judge, and they're 551 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 2: going to convict him because they've destroyed jurisprudence as we 552 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 2: know it. But what are you going to do about that? 553 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 2: Do you have a legal strategy? Have you researched? And 554 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 2: the answer is they don't know what to do. All 555 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 2: they want to do is raise money for another one 556 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollars of legal defenses. And so 557 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 2: I don't think that people quite understand that Donald Trump 558 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 2: will have gag orders, he will be maybe in jail. 559 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 2: Will he pardon himself he was elected. Will he be 560 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 2: able to campaign on parole? We don't know. But the 561 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 2: party is frozen right now. And then we have all 562 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 2: of these candidates, and to be Frank Lisa, there's only 563 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 2: two that have a chance, and that's Desanta's and Haley, 564 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 2: and they're very different candidates. I mean, there's a chance 565 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: to be number two. And in case something happens with 566 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 2: Trump aparent. I'm just going on the polls, not my 567 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 2: own inclination, And it's basically a question of can Ron 568 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 2: de Santis, who is not as charismatic as Haley but 569 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 2: has a better record I think of administration and enacting 570 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 2: a conservative agenda. Can he appeal to the three or 571 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: four percent that Trump could not And you can call 572 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 2: them whatever you want, swing voters, independent, suburban moms, but 573 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 2: and he can bring I think he can deliver the megabase. 574 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 2: And then can Haley, who appeals to that three or 575 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 2: four percent and the republic Can she win the magabase? 576 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 2: And I'm not sure she can, But we need to 577 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 2: see that needs to be adjudicated to see which of 578 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 2: the candidates can unite the party and whether Donald Trump 579 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 2: will be viable. But when Trump refuses to debate and 580 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 2: won't engage in the political process and you have all 581 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 2: these peripheral candidates on the stage, it's kind of the 582 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 2: executive counterpart to the speaker mess. It's just chaos. And 583 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 2: what we again, what we really need is a debate 584 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: about who best can you unify every element of the 585 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 2: Republican Party to stop this socialist madness that's in power 586 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 2: right now and we're not getting that conversation, we're not 587 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 2: getting that debate. We're just getting a bunch of guys 588 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 2: on the stage virtue signaling, yelling, screaming. You know, I 589 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 2: have nothing against Tim Scott or Chris Christy or Mike 590 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 2: pinn around aswami, but they're not going to be president. 591 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 2: And they've already shown us their abilities if you want 592 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 2: to make them a cabinet minister or you know, I 593 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 2: don't know, vice president. So we don't need that show 594 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 2: to go on. And we have two candidates that have 595 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 2: risen in the polls, and let's have Donald Trump join 596 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 2: the debates and all three of them show us what 597 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 2: they can do, and then they can argue back and 598 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 2: forth whether Trump is going to be viable or not 599 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 2: given his legal jeopardies. And I think that's the only 600 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 2: thing that we have to do. We have to do 601 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 2: it soon. But we're not doing it. We're just saying, oh, 602 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 2: Trump is just going to go through all these legal 603 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 2: He's going to be in court almost every day. I 604 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 2: think he's going to be in court from now until 605 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 2: the election every week in one of these four jurisdictions 606 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 2: by intent. And I don't think that DeSantis and Haiti 607 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 2: will have a platform where they can air their differences 608 00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 2: and show the Republican Party two different views of of 609 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 2: the Trump legacy, if that's what you want to call it. 610 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 2: And so we're not getting a resolution, just like the speaker, 611 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm really worried about it. 612 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm worried about it too, sir. I think that's wisely stated, 613 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: and I'm glad that try to express my concerns when 614 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm on TV and on Twitter, but people 615 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: just don't seem to want to hear. 616 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 2: It and get very angry. I yeah, you're absolutely right. 617 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 2: When I say this on an interview and then I 618 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 2: get a call from someone and says, are you flipped out? 619 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 2: Or what are you saying? Or how dare you? Or 620 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 2: Matt Gates is my hero? Or you don't ever doubt 621 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 2: Donald Trump and stuff like that, And I'm not doubting 622 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,320 Speaker 2: or trying to attack anybody. I'm just out. Our jobs 623 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 2: as outside observers are not to be politically biased, but 624 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 2: to give a disinterested analysis of the conservative movement. And 625 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 2: that's what's happening. It's in disarray, and right now it's 626 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 2: the most golden opportunity they've ever had in fifty years 627 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 2: because the left got power and it destroyed the country. 628 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 2: And basically sixty percent of the people agree with us, 629 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 2: and yet we can't articulate that to them. 630 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,959 Speaker 1: You know, I just pray that people wake up. Victor 631 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: Davis Hanson, it's always an honor to have you on 632 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: the show, sir. You are so smart, so wise. I 633 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: always learn so much from you. It's truly an honor. 634 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for having me listen. 635 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 1: Those Victor Davis Hanson, always brilliant, always learns so much 636 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: from him. I really appreciate him taking the time to 637 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: come on the show. I appreciate you at home for 638 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: listening every Monday and Thursday, but of course you can 639 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 1: listen throughout the week. I want to think John Cassio 640 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: am I a producer for putting the show together. Until 641 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: next time,