WEBVTT - Conversations with A Brain Surgeon With Dr. Lee Warren - Part 1: Neuro-thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>I won't let my body out me outwait everything that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm made, don't won't spend my life trying to change.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm learning love who I am, A young strong I

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<v Speaker 2>feel free. I know every part of me. It's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>And that will always out way if.

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<v Speaker 3>You feel it.

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<v Speaker 2>But she'll some love to the vio. Why have there

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<v Speaker 2>take you one day? Anita? Did you and die out way?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? Happy Saturday, Outweigh. I'm so excited to be here

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<v Speaker 1>for a brand new series. It is our Outweigh neuro series,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm joined by doctor Lee Warren.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, doctor Warren. Hey, so good to have you here.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a fun series for us to do

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<v Speaker 1>because this is kind of a crossover. So over on

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<v Speaker 1>my What's God Got to Do with It? Podcast, Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Warren was on there for two episodes. We'll link them

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<v Speaker 1>in the show notes where we talked about the concept

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<v Speaker 1>of neuro neuro faith and so on. This series, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the neuro series because we're gonna really be getting

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<v Speaker 1>deep into your thoughts, your feelings, your beliefs, your habits specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, if you're listening to this, there's some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of food and body prison that you're in there's some.

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<v Speaker 2>Sort of out of controlledness that you feel.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something that you don't feel like you have agency

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<v Speaker 1>over your life when it comes to food in your body.

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<v Speaker 1>So who better to talk about the neural implications and

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<v Speaker 1>the cause and effect chicken egg than a neurosurgeon himself,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Warren. But also the cool thing about it is

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<v Speaker 1>this time last year, Amy Brown, the creator of Outweigh

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<v Speaker 1>and my copilot for this podcast, we teamed up and

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<v Speaker 1>we did a four part series called Acting as If,

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<v Speaker 1>where we talked about the connection between our thoughts, our feelings,

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<v Speaker 1>our beliefs, our behaviors and actions and how to influence

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<v Speaker 1>them by taking a brain base approach.

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<v Speaker 2>But now we get to talk to a neurosurgeon himself.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gonna walk us through it, and there's so much

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<v Speaker 1>connection and crossover to what we already talk about and

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<v Speaker 1>his ways of thinking, ways of being. So I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>excited for us to dive on in. And this week

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be going through the concept of neuro thoughts,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're thinking next week we're going to get into

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<v Speaker 1>the neuro feelings side of things. So if you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like your feelings are driving the show or you feel

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<v Speaker 1>out of control of your feelings. You're going to understand

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more about why you do what you do,

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<v Speaker 1>why you feel how you feel, and then we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into the neuro beliefs side of it, and then neuro

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<v Speaker 1>habits and the behaviors and action side of it. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to go ahead and dive on in to

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<v Speaker 1>this week's episode all about your thoughts, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>think a great place to start, doctor Warren is just

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<v Speaker 1>explaining from your perspective this idea of we now know

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<v Speaker 1>it is widely understood that our brain is plastic, it's multible,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pliable, it's switch up able at.

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<v Speaker 2>Any time we choose.

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<v Speaker 1>But that now gives us a whole new set of

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<v Speaker 1>options and possibilities. It really starts at our thoughts. So

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<v Speaker 1>can you just kind of walk us through your perspective

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<v Speaker 1>on that for.

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<v Speaker 3>Us absolutely, You know, we used to think like you

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<v Speaker 3>just alluded to. Up until about two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 3>most neuroscientists thought that you were born with all the

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<v Speaker 3>brain cells you were ever going to have, and you

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<v Speaker 3>were pretty it was pretty fixed, and you just to

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<v Speaker 3>better learn how to take care of it. And that

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<v Speaker 3>was kind of a hopeless idea like your brain is

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<v Speaker 3>what it is and your genetics determine it and all

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<v Speaker 3>that stuff, and we know now without any doubt. So

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<v Speaker 3>from the neuropathology side neuroimaging, there's no doubt it's absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>true that your brain makes new nerve cells or neurons

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<v Speaker 3>every day. That's called neurogenesis, and your brain connects those

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<v Speaker 3>new cells into networks of old cells and pathways all

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<v Speaker 3>the time, like while we're speaking, we're making new synapsis.

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<v Speaker 3>That's called neuroplasticity. The stunning thing is that we have

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<v Speaker 3>some control over that. So the functional imaging of the

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<v Speaker 3>ability to look at the actual brain as it's happening,

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<v Speaker 3>the thoughts that you're thinking, the blood flow, changes in

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<v Speaker 3>the brain, neurotransmitter levels, and all that stuff has allowed

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<v Speaker 3>us to basically connect the ideas that, yeah, we know

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<v Speaker 3>that new nerve cells are being born every day, we

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<v Speaker 3>know they're wiring in and all that to the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that it's dynamic and it's somewhat under your own control,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's where the power comes in. So we now

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<v Speaker 3>know that the things you think about turn out to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to make structural changes in your brain to

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<v Speaker 3>create new synapses, new connections between cells and networks in

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<v Speaker 3>your brain, and to eliminate old ones that aren't helping

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<v Speaker 3>you anymore. So, if you want to think about it

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<v Speaker 3>like I do in surgery, if I take a pair

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<v Speaker 3>of scissors and cut a neuron or a connection between

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<v Speaker 3>a neuron, I'm severing a connection between two areas of

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<v Speaker 3>the brain that aren't helpful to one another. Like if

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<v Speaker 3>I want to interrupt seizure activity, I can eliminate sezer

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<v Speaker 3>activity by disconnecting networks of cells that shouldn't be talking

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<v Speaker 3>to each other. And you can do the same thing

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<v Speaker 3>with your thinking, which is a lot less invasive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that gives us a lot of hope too,

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<v Speaker 1>because people think, like you know, and I hear a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of women being like, yes, I have very negative thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>I have very negative self talk, and they think like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is just who I am, this is how

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just part of their way of thinking or way

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<v Speaker 2>of being.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you just kind of speak into that, because I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's some people that have kind of resigned to

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<v Speaker 1>it and think that this is how their brain will

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<v Speaker 1>always be.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. And you know, on my show we talk

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<v Speaker 3>about the ten commandments of self brains are one of

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<v Speaker 3>them is to understand that not all of your thoughts

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<v Speaker 3>are true. Yeah, the fact is, your brain generates a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of thoughts that pop into your mind that are

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<v Speaker 3>presented to you in a familiar voice, because your inner

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<v Speaker 3>voice sounds like you, and so that means that automatically

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<v Speaker 3>has a lot of credibility. But there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>thoughts that pop into your head that simply aren't true.

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<v Speaker 3>They're generated based on accessing memories and emotions and feelings

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<v Speaker 3>and current events and kind of jumbling them up, and

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<v Speaker 3>they present to you as if, oh, I just can't

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<v Speaker 3>ever be different than this, or I tried this before

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<v Speaker 3>and it didn't work, or I'm such a loser, or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever those thoughts pop into your head. The problem is

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<v Speaker 3>if we don't recognize that automatic thoughts are often negative

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<v Speaker 3>and often untrue, then we think we're hearing from a

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<v Speaker 3>credible voice inside our head that we're obligated to believe

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<v Speaker 3>and take action on. And so the most important thing

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<v Speaker 3>for the listener today, if you're stuck with that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of negative thinking loop, is to learn to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>wait a minute, I know from science that most of

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<v Speaker 3>the thoughts that pop into my head are not true,

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<v Speaker 3>and I am not obligated to act on them. So

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<v Speaker 3>the first thing is then to develop a toolkit, a

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<v Speaker 3>set of procedures, if you will, to think about your

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<v Speaker 3>thinking and decide only to take action on those thoughts

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<v Speaker 3>that are true and necessary and helpful and compassionate.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, to think about your thinking, become aware of what

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<v Speaker 1>you're not currently aware of. Can we just follow that

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<v Speaker 1>threat a little bit more? Because I know for me

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<v Speaker 1>that was a very profound thought process. I'm like, wait

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, I can basically take an aerial view of

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<v Speaker 1>my thinking and think about my thinking. So as you

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<v Speaker 1>explain it on your podcast and in your books, can

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<v Speaker 1>you just share a little bit about the process of

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about your thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So, since I'm a surgeon and I like to

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<v Speaker 3>think about things like procedures, that the metaphor just works

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<v Speaker 3>for me. So if you come into my office and

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<v Speaker 3>you say I've got headaches, and I do a scan

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<v Speaker 3>and there's a spot on your brain and I think

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<v Speaker 3>it might be causing your headaches, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>that spot is until I buy ope it, or until

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<v Speaker 3>it take you to surgery and put a needle in

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<v Speaker 3>that thing and look at it under the microscope and

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<v Speaker 3>get with the pathologist and we identify what that tissue is.

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<v Speaker 3>So I can think it's a tumor, or I can

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<v Speaker 3>think it's an infection, or I can think it's something else.

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<v Speaker 3>But until I BUYAP see it, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>it is. And so as a surgeon, it's called malpractice

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<v Speaker 3>if I take action on something that I think without

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<v Speaker 3>knowing first. So if I if I took you to

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<v Speaker 3>surgery or sent you down to radiation and zapped your

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<v Speaker 3>brain with a whole bunch of gamma rays because I

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<v Speaker 3>thought you had a tumor, but it was not true.

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<v Speaker 3>You actually didn't have a tumor. And once I buyop

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<v Speaker 3>see that, I found out you just had a little

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<v Speaker 3>piece of scar tissue in your brain that you didn't

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<v Speaker 3>need to have radiation. That would have been malpractice. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So taking action on a thought that you haven't properly

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<v Speaker 3>evaluated is committing the act of self malpractice. You're harming

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<v Speaker 3>yourself because you don't know for sure that what you're

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<v Speaker 3>doing is in response to a thought that was valid.

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<v Speaker 3>So I teach people this idea of buyap seeing your thought,

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<v Speaker 3>like literally think. Wait a minute, that thought that popped

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<v Speaker 3>into my head sounds kind of damaging to me, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you're such a loser. You'll never be better than this,

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<v Speaker 3>You'll never be able to overcome this habit. Maybe that's

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<v Speaker 3>not true. Let me look and see if there's some

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<v Speaker 3>evidence that that is or is not true. And if

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<v Speaker 3>it isn't true, then I can just eliminate it, like

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have to think about that thought because it's

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<v Speaker 3>not true. It's malpractice to follow that trail of thought.

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<v Speaker 3>And if it is true in some way, then my

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<v Speaker 3>next thought shouldn't be yeah, I really am such a loser.

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<v Speaker 3>I should just give up. My next thought should be

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<v Speaker 3>what can I do to change that? What can I

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<v Speaker 3>do to intervene in that to try to make the

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<v Speaker 3>future thought more hopeful, more helpful, more compassionate to myself?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I love because it just underneath what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It denotes that you have to take radical responsibility for

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<v Speaker 1>your brain and your thoughts and the concept of self

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<v Speaker 1>malpractice right, there's no shame in it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like a data.

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<v Speaker 1>Driven term where it's it basically is saying, Okay, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what I'm doing when I'm not thinking about my thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not shaming ourselves because I think that's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the spiral that people that are listening to this

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<v Speaker 1>go into is that shame spiral, but it denotes just

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<v Speaker 1>really taking radical agency of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Now on that note, when.

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<v Speaker 1>It becomes obsessive, right, because there's a lot of obsession

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<v Speaker 1>that comes around thinking about what you're eating, think about

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<v Speaker 1>what you're not eating.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they judging my body? Are they not judging my body?

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<v Speaker 2>Am I judging my body?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it me?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it them? I mean, I could go on and on.

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<v Speaker 1>When you talk about the obsessive thoughts, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you said talking about stopping that feedback loop, can you

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<v Speaker 1>just speak into what obsession is in the brain and

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<v Speaker 1>what you've experienced with how to kind of think about

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<v Speaker 1>your thinking and transform that rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a world famous neurosurge named Peter Jannetta that was

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<v Speaker 3>one of my professors who trained me, and he invented

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the procedures that we still use. And

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<v Speaker 3>he was so famous that Maya Angelo spoke at his

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<v Speaker 3>birthday party one year like that. He was a big

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<v Speaker 3>name guy, but he was funny because he would teach

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<v Speaker 3>us these brain surgeries that were these elaborate, complex operations

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<v Speaker 3>took all day to perform, and he would allow the

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<v Speaker 3>more senior residence to start the procedure before he came

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<v Speaker 3>in the room, and he would, invariably Doctor Janetta would

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<v Speaker 3>come in and he would watch me operate for a minute,

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<v Speaker 3>and he would watch all the things I was doing,

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<v Speaker 3>and he would say, hey, you're making an operation out

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<v Speaker 3>of this. And it was kind of a joke because

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<v Speaker 3>it was an operation, But what doctor Jenette was saying was,

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<v Speaker 3>you're overly complicating this situationally, you're making it harder than

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<v Speaker 3>it has to be. The good surgeon, a good doctor,

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<v Speaker 3>learns how to do the mission in the most efficient

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<v Speaker 3>and effective and best way that is possible to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>So when we talk about thinking about your thinking, one

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<v Speaker 3>way that you can make an operation out of it

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<v Speaker 3>is to overthink and get into a loop of thinking,

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<v Speaker 3>Am I thinking about my thinking too much? Am I

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<v Speaker 3>shaming myself too much? Am I blaming myself too much?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I'll never be able to stop thinking about this.

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<v Speaker 3>And you get into this loop of right of overfixating

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<v Speaker 3>on the process, then of thinking about your thinking, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're making an operation out of it. So the way

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<v Speaker 3>to stop that is to say, hey, I need to

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<v Speaker 3>identify whether a thought is helpful or not. And once

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<v Speaker 3>I do that, then the next step is I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to shift into I'm gonna stop contemplating and start operating,

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<v Speaker 3>and we'll start doing something to make that next thought better,

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<v Speaker 3>to make the outcome better, to have a better, hope,

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<v Speaker 3>more hopeful place to land. So you shift really quickly

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<v Speaker 3>from that biopsy stage to your taking action to do

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<v Speaker 3>something to try to make the process better, and that

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<v Speaker 3>that becomes automated and easier over time. But that's how

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<v Speaker 3>you stop making an operation out of it all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm thinking of a scalpel now.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like anything can be a tool or a weapon, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like thinking about your thinking can be this

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful tool to set you free, but if you overthink

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<v Speaker 1>the thinking about your thinking, it becomes a weapon used

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<v Speaker 1>against yourself. So really that distinction is like who you're

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<v Speaker 1>being while you're using it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so good. And guys, if you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>this and you love.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're hearing, first of all, we have the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of this series coming up, but you've got to check

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<v Speaker 1>out doctor Warren's podcast. He's got two different podcasts, He's

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<v Speaker 1>got a gaggle of books. So before we end this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>where can people find you? Can you share a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about your podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so the Doctor Lee Warren podcast, that's the main podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>and we talk about this kind of stuff all the time,

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<v Speaker 3>as you know, Lee and you've been on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>So we talk about neuroscience and faith and big things

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<v Speaker 3>like that and how we smash them together to try

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<v Speaker 3>to find a way to become healthier, feel better, and

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<v Speaker 3>be happy in our lives. And then the second one

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<v Speaker 3>is a little bit more sort of Bible focused. We

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<v Speaker 3>call it spiritual brain surgery. It's kind of looking at

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<v Speaker 3>what we believe, why we believe it, how faith and

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<v Speaker 3>science can help us defend it, live it and share

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<v Speaker 3>it with other people. And they're everywhere. Podcasts are available,

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<v Speaker 3>And then I got a bunch of books. You can

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<v Speaker 3>check out my website Doctor Lee Warren dot com WWNMD

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<v Speaker 3>dot com. And I write a newsletter and do all

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<v Speaker 3>that stuff. So easy to find and I hope people

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<v Speaker 3>will connect. We love to meet new people.

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<v Speaker 1>So thanks amazing, Yeah, your Sunday newsletter. I will look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to it in my inbox every weekend. So thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for being here. We are going to link all of

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<v Speaker 1>that in the show notes and we will be back

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<v Speaker 1>next Saturday for neuro Feelings. And so if you have

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<v Speaker 1>ever wondered you know what's going on when I go

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<v Speaker 1>to reach for food to fill a void of sadness

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<v Speaker 1>or loneliness or comfort or stress or sorrow or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>or happiness even but why you're feeling the way that

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<v Speaker 1>you're feeling, what's the cause and effect relationship, really connecting

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<v Speaker 1>the dots from what we talked about with your thoughts,

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<v Speaker 1>then stay tuned because we're going to be talking about

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<v Speaker 1>that next week. So this is Lean and doctor Warren

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<v Speaker 1>signing out for this week and outwigh and we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>back next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye,