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Speaker 1: Previously on After the Uprising Good.

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Speaker 2: I'm at nineteen forty Diamond Drive and it's a car

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Speaker 2: on fire in my working life.

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Speaker 1: Seals was found shot inside a burning car in Riverview

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Speaker 1: on Diamond Drive.

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Speaker 3: I do know that there is a lot of sentiment

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Speaker 3: in the community that they want justice, they want the truth.

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Speaker 1: You know, you still got a life that has a tab.

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Speaker 4: On it from your past endeavors. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I think he got set up out of people he

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Speaker 4: was in the fucking music situation with.

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Speaker 5: I ain't never the same brusway.

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Speaker 4: It's like he wanted on.

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Speaker 6: He said, a white boy came from out of the woods.

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Speaker 6: He said, a guy would loan herd a ponytail.

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Speaker 7: A white boy everything he knows.

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Speaker 4: A car was got.

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Speaker 8: What you're looking for is the aftermath of the grand

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Speaker 8: jury deciding not to indict office.

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Speaker 4: Nine year old Darren Seals was murdered before his killer

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Speaker 4: set his car on fire.

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Speaker 8: Once they put out the flames, they discovered Seal's body

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Speaker 8: inside with a gunshop.

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Speaker 3: You want a gun on me?

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Speaker 9: Am?

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Speaker 1: I am, I whats your other brothers focus of PD?

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Speaker 8: Grab you by my heart, slam me out the car.

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Speaker 3: He said, you might want you might want to pick

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Speaker 3: your enemies better. This is after the Uprising, season two,

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Speaker 3: the murder of Darren Seals.

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Speaker 10: Did you ever receive the report from the medical of

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Speaker 10: the Salmoner's office.

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Speaker 9: I have what they put on the death certificate.

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Speaker 10: Yep.

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Speaker 9: I wouldn't got the birtificate certificate. But no, I didn't

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Speaker 9: talk to him all of them.

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Speaker 10: And you don't have any documentation from the medical examiner's office.

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Speaker 9: Okay, do you? I asked to see I asked to

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Speaker 9: see my son's body and they said no. Wen taught me,

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Speaker 9: and you liked that. He said he did not see

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Speaker 9: his face. I want to see my son's face. And

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Speaker 9: he said, man, we can't let you see his face

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Speaker 9: because he don't have a face. He said, he's like

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Speaker 9: a skeleton and he's completely burning.

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Speaker 1: This is Darren Seal's mother, Mary Otis, who goes by

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Speaker 1: the name Bonnie. Over the course of several months, we

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Speaker 1: had many many conversations with Bonnie, some in which I

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Speaker 1: sat with her in her living room for four or

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Speaker 1: five hours at a time. Others were over the phone

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Speaker 1: when she would unexpectedly call to talk about this or that,

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Speaker 1: and we would have to quickly activate a call recording

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Speaker 1: app from the outset, we will report that sadly, Bonnie

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Speaker 1: died in August of twenty twenty three. A very religious woman,

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Speaker 1: Bonnie suffered from a handful of physical ailments. She needed

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Speaker 1: dialysis treatment for her kidneys three times a week. She

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Speaker 1: also had oxygen tanks to assist her breathing. Despite these ailments,

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Speaker 1: Bonnie wasn't a frail woman. To look at her then

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Speaker 1: in frame, she carried herself in a proud way, always

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Speaker 1: well dressed and standing up straight, with her Louis Vauton

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Speaker 1: a young age, Bonnie lived a very hard life, marred

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Speaker 1: by intent, childhood, abuse, and poverty. Darren's father spent a

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Speaker 1: lot of time in jail, so Bonnie raised Darren, who

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Speaker 1: you'll hear her refer to as man men, alongside his

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Speaker 1: older sister LaToya and his younger brother Byron. With their

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Speaker 1: and both boys felt exceedingly protective of Bonnie.

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Speaker 9: Him and Darren was together in this truck and he said,

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Speaker 9: promise me, if I leave first, you promised to take

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Speaker 9: her on mom And he said I will say, okay,

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Speaker 9: I'll will, and man May said see him too. If

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Speaker 9: you leave first, I promise I'm gonna take her a mom.

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Speaker 9: So whichever one of them went first, there was the

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Speaker 1: It was very important for us to get to know

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Speaker 1: Bonnie for several reasons, one of which was because in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, when Darren died, he was still very close

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Speaker 1: phone only hours before his death. We thought Bonnie would

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Speaker 1: be key to he getting a sense of what Darren

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Speaker 1: was up to right before he was murdered. When we

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Speaker 1: started our interviews, COVID was just winding down, so Bodie

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Speaker 1: had spent a lot of time in isolation. Because she

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Speaker 1: was so grateful to be connecting again in person with people,

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Speaker 1: live people, she would jump from topic to topic and

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Speaker 1: we would have to keep up with her. Here's an

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Speaker 9: Because he moved from my house to her apartment and

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Speaker 9: then he wanted to move back here. And She's trying

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Speaker 9: to talk to me like I'm his friend, like I

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Speaker 9: ain't his mama, Like basically, like she really don't want

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Speaker 9: me to let my son come back home. I was

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Speaker 9: like this, your was lost some mind. So I suppose

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Speaker 9: I lock my door on my son and he and

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Speaker 9: her in Sprint store. They videotape all it, even spring death.

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Speaker 9: How I know it didn't have none to do with

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Speaker 9: I mean, you know those are the young guys and

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Speaker 9: had this was bigger than it. Anytime Sprint involved in

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Speaker 9: doing un the cover stuff, why not want them?

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Speaker 10: I don't understand what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Listening to Bonnie, it could be a puzzle. We weren't

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Speaker 1: always sure what she was talking about. She put things

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Speaker 1: in her own order that we would have to work

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Speaker 1: to iron out later, but in doing so we learned

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Speaker 1: a lot. For one, she would often reference some investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter who had contacted her, who seemingly offered his services

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Speaker 1: to help her find out what had happened to Darren.

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Speaker 1: She wouldn't tell us his name.

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Speaker 6: Though, investigator the one that I was dealing with. He's

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Speaker 6: a reporter. He truly noticed story, so be but he

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Speaker 6: can't even do nothing with it.

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Speaker 4: What about introducing us? Maybe you could float it to

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Speaker 4: this investigator to see if he wanted to do something,

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Speaker 4: maybe we'd work with this investigator and the stuff that

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Speaker 4: he can turn up helps your case. The stuff we

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Speaker 4: turn up can help your case. We put out a podcast,

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Speaker 4: he puts out articles at the same time. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's a thought, but you know what.

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Speaker 6: To be honest, he came to me because I had

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Speaker 6: so much information that helped him not to even have

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Speaker 6: to work forward. Because he was asking me to do

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Speaker 6: this and do this, and I say, oh, okay, I

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Speaker 6: already got this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean, isn't the goal to get new

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Speaker 4: information and get as close as possible to proving all

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Speaker 4: the things that need proven here? So I mean, so

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Speaker 4: if you make it a little easier for him by

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Speaker 4: more information, then you know what's the problem there.

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Speaker 6: I gave him some information and you know, you're sending

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Speaker 6: me pictures asking me who this person is and who

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Speaker 6: that person is. And but he was more like Anziah

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Speaker 6: heard a great story. I mean, he was real smart

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Speaker 3: When Bonnie says the reporter was like Isaiah. She's referring

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Speaker 3: to Isaiah Washington, the actor from Grey's Anatomy who apparently

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Speaker 3: also approached Bonnie and tried to get a movie project

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Speaker 3: when Bonnie died, Isaiah Washington posted on his Facebook page quote,

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Speaker 3: I just found out that my dear friend Mary Bonnie

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Speaker 3: Otis is gone. He said he wanted to share with

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Speaker 3: her that he'd finally found a serious investor who wanted

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Speaker 6: That's it, Isaiah.

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Speaker 9: If you can't find his story, yes somebody will can.

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Speaker 6: Basically, he was being a middle meast. He's slicing and

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Speaker 6: the thing. I didn't want nobody to think that I

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Speaker 6: can be Nikkel and dons I'll say.

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Speaker 3: Donnie believed her story was big, Hollywood big, and at

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Speaker 3: times she suggested a podcast was too small to contain

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Speaker 3: everything about her and Darren. But our primary concern was

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Speaker 3: just finding out what had happened to Darren and sharing

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Speaker 3: that information with the world. And we would be frustrated

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Speaker 3: for her, like this instance, when we asked her about

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Speaker 3: the medical Examiner's report on Darren's death. We had been

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Speaker 10: So you've never seen the medical Examiner's report ever?

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Speaker 9: No, I have some kind of foul or some kind

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Speaker 9: of rakers so that they investigator send me.

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Speaker 10: That you don't mention their name.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, whatever he sent me, I wouldn't look at it.

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna look at it one day, but I'm don't

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Speaker 9: afford it to us. Well, I'm a I have to

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Speaker 9: look at a person. See. I'm gonna put it this

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Speaker 9: a way. I might, but I don't know.

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Speaker 10: I got a would you allow us to write a

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Speaker 10: letter on your behalf and you send it to the

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Speaker 10: and then share it with us.

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Speaker 9: But I think this one me and him just went through.

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Speaker 1: Bonnie eventually showed us this email from the investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: he had sent her instructions on how she could ask

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Speaker 1: the medical examiner for Darren's autopsy report, but she had

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Speaker 1: we could see that it had not been read. Though

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Speaker 1: Bonnie had her own way of telling a story, she

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Speaker 1: had a mind like a steel trap. After reviewing the

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Speaker 1: able to find that she'd given us a lot of

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Speaker 1: interesting information about Darren's life. For instance, one day, when

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Speaker 1: she started telling a story about Darren as a young man.

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Speaker 6: How they first met.

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Speaker 7: We stayed on Green Valley. I always took my kids

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Speaker 7: like a red score or something like that, like in

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Speaker 7: his pocket, he'll slinking out the house, but he'll forget

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Speaker 7: to take it out of his pocket. Why my family

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Speaker 7: got out, I said, what is that? Because you ain't

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Speaker 3: When Bonnie said that Darren was keeping a red scarf

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Speaker 3: in his pocket, she's referring to his activity with a

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Speaker 3: local gang, something she didn't approve of. And in talking

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Speaker 3: about the local gang rivalries, she brings up someone named Jaybird.

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Speaker 7: Jaybird with calcil point, and my son was over with

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Speaker 7: Green Valley, so Green Valley and Calcilporne. Jaybird used to

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Speaker 7: boss everybody in his neighborhood in Calciforne. SoJ hears my

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Speaker 7: son was a really good bombing. They said, I'm somebody

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Speaker 7: that she can be and he was like cool. They said,

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Speaker 7: he wins. He goes over in Council Point to meet Jaybird,

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Speaker 7: you know, put him in a box. You know, not

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Speaker 7: though kill each other. But so they hate the fight

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Speaker 7: because Jabird was the best fight in Calcifornia and Darren

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Speaker 7: was the best fighter in Green Valley. Said they wanted

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Speaker 7: him to come together and see who wins. So they

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Speaker 7: fought after they got tough fighting because of both of

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Speaker 3: Jaybird, You'll remember, was mentioned by Tef Poe back in

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Speaker 3: episode two. Teff told us that he heard that someone

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Speaker 4: Hadn't jay Bird gone to jail in twenty sixteen and

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Speaker 4: Day, the last call between Byron and Darren. Like what

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Speaker 7: After talking to me, then he ended up on the

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Speaker 3: Bonnie is telling us something. Naomi later told her that

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Speaker 6: Some my guyn was dark and he was talking about

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Speaker 3: According to what Bonnie says, Naomi told her Darren's phone

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Speaker 6: He was like, now, because he's telling me, I got, y'all,

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Speaker 3: It turns out Darren sued the apartment complex where he

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Speaker 4: Here's what I'm trying to figure out is the first

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Speaker 7: He didn't even leave that late. He left my mom pouse,

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Speaker 7: And here's the thing, it was still real early, so

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Speaker 4: You'll make it to one the timeline I always placed

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Speaker 7: He kept when he was talking, you could hear music,

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Speaker 5: That Darren but dialed there a few times that evening.

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: She did.

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Speaker 11: Do you happen to know if those butt dials happened

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Speaker 1: It's tempting to try to connect disparate facts and presume

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Speaker 1: Any of the Bottom Boys could have been in on

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Speaker 1: it made no sense because again, her understanding was that

441
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Speaker 1: Darren was about to use his own money to bring

442
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Speaker 1: the whole group to Atlanta to possibly get.

443
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Speaker 6: Signed, and he did out the money, and it was

444
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Speaker 6: the means of all you said, I he sposed to

445
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Speaker 6: take him to Alana. So they would have wanted to

446
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Speaker 6: go to Atlanta and become souls and get signed, they

447
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 6: wouldn't have wanted to be with him.

448
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Speaker 1: So let's say Darren does go to meet Kilo and

449
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Speaker 1: maybe other members of the Bottom Boys. Where did that

450
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Speaker 1: meeting happen? We told Bonnie what we'd heard about the

451
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Speaker 1: possibility of Darren having been killed on Gamble Street, and

452
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Speaker 1: to our surprise, she heard the same thing.

453
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Speaker 10: Yes, several people who say gamb is the street where

454
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Speaker 10: Garrett was.

455
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Speaker 9: Actually because I got a phone call from the guy,

456
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Speaker 9: ain't says now. He just called me and just said

457
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Speaker 9: when my son got murdered.

458
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Speaker 5: It and he didn't leave his name.

459
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Speaker 9: He didn't. He didn't like when he was first talking

460
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Speaker 9: to me, he didn't.

461
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 10: But no, it wasn't.

462
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Speaker 9: No, he just told me that your son died on

463
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Speaker 9: Gamble over by, close by the Gamble Wolves Center. That's

464
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Speaker 9: all we see it.

465
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Speaker 1: But like we said, Bunny was getting a lot of

466
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Speaker 1: weird tips and clues, some of which may have been

467
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Speaker 1: intentionally wrong in order to poison the well in case

468
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Speaker 1: she was sharing information with police.

469
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Speaker 6: Somebody said they was arguing in a truck and they

470
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Speaker 6: was on Diamond right a fause from the store. Write

471
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Speaker 6: with those apartments that not the apartments work truck was

472
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Speaker 6: that the one of offa Chambers. They was wiped up

473
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 6: on that SI and they said when they got their

474
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 6: head used the don't but he got real heated. They

475
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 6: got relapped. I say, man, that's a lot at.

476
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Speaker 1: The intersection of Chambers and Diamond where this heated argument

477
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Speaker 1: inside Darren's jeep supposedly occurred. There's a convenience store called

478
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Speaker 1: the Rock of Food Mart. This intersection is less than

479
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Speaker 1: a mile north of the ridge View apartments where Darren's

480
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Speaker 1: jeep and body were ultimately found. But Bonnie doesn't believe

481
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Speaker 1: this particular story.

482
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Speaker 7: Why I said, that's a lot.

483
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Speaker 6: It didn't happen one day, because what was the white

484
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 6: guy that's supposed to he food the video?

485
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Speaker 1: Since the mystery white music video maker wasn't described as

486
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Speaker 1: having been present in this scenario, Bonnie threw it out

487
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Speaker 1: whole cloth more after the break. Now back to the show.

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Speaker 9: The truck melted to the ground to work a little

489
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 9: bit that was left or the truck. The fire department

490
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 9: used some stuff and it was like white phone is

491
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 9: like stuff to put it out.

492
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: Police came to Bonnie's home the morning Darren's car was

493
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: discovered to deliver the news that Darren was dead. She

494
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: made her way to the Ridgeview apartments, where she walked

495
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: the crime scene and spoke to people in the gathering crowd.

496
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: Looking at the remaining foam that had been used to

497
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: douse the fire from the night before, she noticed something.

498
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Speaker 9: When I got there and I seen the door and

499
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 9: all that ashy stuff and all that white phone stuff.

500
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 9: It was three shiny bullets. It looked like somebody took

501
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 9: three brand new bullets and just laid them on the ground,

502
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 9: laid them brighten the pound, and they were still shining

503
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 9: on top.

504
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: We thought it would be weird that what appeared to

505
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: be new bullets would be laying on top of the

506
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: fire retardant foam. At that point, anyone who wanted could

507
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: roam about the crime scene, so evidence could not only

508
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: be taken, but false evidence could have been added. This

509
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: point is highlighted by what Bonnie says was done with

510
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: the door of Darren's jeep, which had come disconnected from

511
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: the body of the vehicle and had been left behind

512
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: by the towing company.

513
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 9: Naomi got the door off the ground, and she still writing.

514
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 9: She wrote her name up there hers, you know, wrote

515
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 9: some on the wild man man and everybody was dying

516
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 9: in the door. You know, the name's going all the

517
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 9: way there.

518
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 10: Did Naomi take anything from the premises of the burning car?

519
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 6: Yah?

520
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, they watched her.

521
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 7: Everybody watched her.

522
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 9: She took the door with all the thigmas is on it.

523
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 9: She put that in the car. I always thought I'm

524
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 9: weird about her too, because that is am I mean,

525
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 9: was he going.

526
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 6: To marry her?

527
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 9: He said, no, Mom, I believes she worked for the Faith.

528
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 6: He said.

529
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 9: I said, why do you say that? He said, because

530
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 9: she followed me if you want to go and then

531
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 9: and you know, as I kept watching out and seeing

532
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 9: how she act toward him, I said, it's only she

533
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 9: working for somebody, and I believe it's to this day,

534
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 9: I really supper believe it now.

535
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: We didn't know what to make of the statement from

536
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: Bonnie that Darren supposedly made telling her that he believed

537
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: Naomi worked for the FEDS. It would raise all kinds

538
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: of questions about why Darren would be with her if

539
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: he believed this to be the case. The first instance

540
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: we can find of Naomi and Darren's social media is

541
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: from the spring of twenty sixteen, a little over three

542
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: months before his murder, when he traveled with her to

543
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: a wedding in Atlanta where he was her date. We

544
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: asked Byron about Naomi.

545
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 5: Did you ever hear your mom and Darren talk about Naomi?

546
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom used to ask all the time. Of course,

547
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: any other mother would ask, you know, how to treating you,

548
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: how you guys relationship is going?

549
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 5: Did Darren ever share with you some concerns that he

550
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 5: had about Naomi.

551
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically like who was she working with?

552
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 11: You know, the different things, like meaning that she was

553
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 11: working potentially with like the cops. Yeah, yeah, Like why

554
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 11: would you keep dating someone that you suspected?

555
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 6: Yeah?

556
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 11: Do you know?

557
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 9: Not sure?

558
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 6: Was he in love?

559
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: Honestly he showed it in a way, but it was

560
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: like always like in the bag of his head. It

561
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: was like, you know, it was something that he just

562
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: felt like it was summer.

563
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 10: Right.

564
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 11: Do you happen to know what became of her? I

565
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,239
Speaker 11: mean I haven't been in contact with her.

566
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: I mean I see her on Facebook, you know, take

567
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: a different trips and everything.

568
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: We reached out to Naomi, and when we finally got

569
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: in touch with her, she decided against doing an on

570
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: the record interview. We never saw any evidence that she

571
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: was working for the FEDS, and it seems highly unlikely

572
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: that she was an informant sent to date Darren and

573
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: to report on him. It's weird too that if Bonnie

574
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: believed that she was, why she would believe anything Naomi

575
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: told her about Darren's last night. The whole Kilo phone

576
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: call in White music video maker that Bonnie seems to

577
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: fully believe in that came from Naomi.

578
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 9: One guy as Kilo. The he said during look, he

579
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 9: said no man, I said no. He said, well you

580
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 9: what was the last one to see him? And he

581
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 9: said man. He said, Darren dropped me off and then

582
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 9: he went over with some cheeck house Again.

583
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: This is Bonnie recounting something she heard the morning of

584
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: Darren's death in the parking lot at the Ridgeview Apartments.

585
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: People were flooding the scene, including members of the Bottom Boys,

586
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: and in the ensuing chatter, it came out that Kelo

587
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: had been with Darren the night before, but Keilo said

588
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: that Darren had parted ways with him and gone to

589
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: see a girl. In episode two, Tef Poe said this

590
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: was something he knew Darren to do, to tell his

591
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: girlfriend that he had business to attend to and then

592
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: to use that time to go hook up with other women.

593
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: We don't know if Bonnie believed this story about Darren

594
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: sneaking off after his meeting with Kelo, but she did

595
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: insist that Kilo wasn't his killer, even if he did

596
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: wittingly or not play a role in getting Darren out

597
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: of the house that night.

598
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 9: The way I'm looking at it now, I feel like

599
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 9: it was a settle one thing I knowing not to anybody.

600
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 9: Kelo did not kill my son. He got him on

601
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 9: the house and he the one was dealing with the

602
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 9: white guy. They he claimed that was gonna help with

603
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 9: the video. But forys killing him. No, no, no, he

604
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 9: didn't do that. He didn't do that at all. So

605
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 9: because he couldn't drive a stick ship, So who drove

606
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 9: My question is who drove the stick shift from Gamble

607
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 9: all the way to die because this is what I

608
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 9: looked at from Gamble Street. All of you come through

609
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 9: Naja Breeze, come to the county, you would burn that

610
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 9: clutch out.

611
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 10: So in our investigation that we have found the person

612
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 10: who was driving it up the hill from Riverview.

613
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 8: Did not know how to drive a siction. So what

614
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 8: we are told that that witness he actually saw. Yeah,

615
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 8: that person was not able.

616
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 10: Whoever it was did not know how to drive.

617
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: Us finally acknowledge what the rich few witness said about

618
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: whoever drove Darren's jeep into the parking lot that night

619
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: not knowing how to operate a stick shift, And we

620
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: wondered if maybe she wasn't trying to drop a hint

621
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 1: about Keilo without outright telling us she was suspicious of him,

622
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: as a way to put us on his trail without

623
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: actually stitching. But then she said this, as we're trying.

624
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 10: To investigate this with you and find it like who

625
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 10: the murder could have been.

626
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 9: But I'm not gonna let nothing of nobody change my

627
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 9: mind because I already know who did it. The FBI

628
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 9: did this to myself. I mean that nine hundred sheet records,

629
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 9: well one of them playing they've been following him for months.

630
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 9: Why are you following him? They telled you, and he

631
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 9: said they wouldn't do no. But falling behind him, just

632
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 9: falling behind you. Know, that's enough proof right there.

633
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: The nine hundred page record that Bonnie is referring to

634
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: is an FBI report that was obtained through a Freedom

635
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: of Information Act request made by Saint Louis based activist

636
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: and photographer James Cooper, who didn't want to be interviewed.

637
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 9: For the show.

638
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: It took two years for the FBI to furnish the

639
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: documents to Cooper, and of the nine hundred total pages supplied,

640
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: about eight hundred and sixty of them are fully redacted.

641
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: The remaining pages contain partial redactions, but what is available

642
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: to be read makes clear that Darren was being actively

643
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: surveilled by the FBI starting in March of twenty sixteen,

644
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: all the way up until the time of his death.

645
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 6: My son always tell me that months, don't you he said,

646
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 6: anything happens to me, you think that they don't kill him?

647
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 6: Not to please stop playing it, he speaking, because he's

648
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 6: an alms. They follow me every wando, he said, every wando.

649
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 6: You say, my mom tells you say, they don't kill them,

650
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 6: He say, you But if they do, he said, don't

651
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 6: you tail? But they come to nothing different.

652
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: Does this report, which was only made public in September

653
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, lend credence to the idea that

654
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: the FBI had something to do with Darren's death, as

655
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: Bonnie seems to believe, and as the report itself states

656
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: that the surveillance didn't begin until early in twenty sixteen,

657
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: long after the major Ferguson protest had died down. Why

658
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: was the FBI so interested in Darren at all? What

659
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: did they hope to accomplish? And if Darren was being

660
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: surveilled at the time of his death, why wasn't there

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Speaker 1: are we to make of Bonnie's references to the members

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