1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Calling all my sweeties to the forefront. I'm your host, 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Christern and this is the Keep It Positive, Sweetish Show. 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: I recently had the opportunity to interview Lacree at a 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: live event in Atlanta. We talked about faith and how 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: he uses his influence for something greater. Let's get into 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: that moment. 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: How y'all feeling Atlanta? I got some sweeties in the house. 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be here today. 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: Thank you guys for coming out. The next person I'm 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: calling to the stage. I've been on his podcast, The 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: Deep End, but I'm so excited to get to interview 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: him today. 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a conversation. It's not even an interview. 14 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, please put your hands. 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: Together and get real, real loud from my brother Lucray. 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: How you doing, y'all? Look good? 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 4: Y'all look good? Hey dude, y'all look good. Man, Look 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 4: at y'all. I love it. I love it. 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. 20 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: Let's figure out how to sit here. 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: Yeah I was. I was about to get down there 22 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: and do the electric slide. 23 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 4: With them, but I you know, I didn't want to 24 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 4: be sweating before I got on stage. 25 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: Y I love it. I love it. How are you feeling. 26 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: I'm great, man, I'm blessed. I can't complain. 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: I know that's right, you know what I mean. 28 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 3: Can't complain. I'm here sitting on your couch. It's my turn. Yeah, 29 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 3: I got. 30 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: You in the hot seat now. 31 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 2: But no, I'm really excited to talk to you today. 32 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: You are from Houston, Texas, Heystown. 33 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 4: Any Texans in the building, No Texans? All right, it's 34 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 4: all good, All right, there we go. Atlanta adopted me though, 35 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 4: so shout out to ATM. 36 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: And our birthdays are nine days apart, October ninth and 37 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,919 Speaker 2: October eighteenth, eight that's. 38 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 3: Our birthday birthday twins. 39 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So on this inspiration celebration Sunday, I want 40 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: to talk about how you have become the one that 41 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: we all love, that we're big fans of. I remember 42 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: when we talked on your podcast, you said that you 43 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: didn't grow up in the church. So how did you 44 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: find yourself growing closer to God at that young age 45 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: in your twenties? 46 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I. 47 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 4: My mother was raised in church, and she was raising 48 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 4: a church that was a little too strict, so she 49 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 4: wasn't allowed to wear lipstick. She couldn't go to sporting events, 50 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 4: a lot of you know things like that, no pants, nothing, 51 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 4: So for her, it scarred her and she didn't want 52 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 4: me to be scarred. So she said, we're not gonna 53 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 4: do church because it messed me up. So I didn't 54 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: grow up in church. I just grew up kind of 55 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 4: just me and mom doing our thing. I loved music, 56 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 4: and she played music all the time, so I was 57 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 4: constantly listening to music and being creative. And my grandmother, 58 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 4: she was you know, I would stay with her in 59 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 4: the summers, and she had church on a patio and 60 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 4: so in the summertime, you know, she would have me 61 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 4: come to church on a patio with her from time 62 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 4: to time. So I understood a little bit about who 63 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 4: God was, but it didn't really click for me. 64 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: And then when I got. 65 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 4: Into to school and just started going through some problems 66 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 4: and wrestles, it was like Grandma's voice was in the 67 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 4: back of my head. 68 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: Saying, come on home, baby, come on home. 69 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,559 Speaker 4: And that's when I, you know, had my spiritual transition transformation. 70 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: And then man, I. 71 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 4: Just let God take the wheel and the music did 72 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 4: its own thing, and so here I am. 73 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: Here you are growing up looking back at young La Craye, 74 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: did you think you would ever be a disciple of Christ? 75 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: No? 76 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: No, what did you think back then? You were going 77 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: to be? 78 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: I was in the streets. I was for the streets, 79 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I was for the streets. 80 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 4: I'm looking out in the crowd, making sure I didn't 81 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 4: break hurt nobody feelings in this room, just checking. 82 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: I don't know problems from That's the old me. Okay, 83 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: that's the old me. No, I really you know I was. 84 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: I was lost. 85 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: I was just a wild individual. You know, I didn't know. 86 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 4: You know, who knows where I would have been? You know, 87 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 4: had it not been for God transforming me, who knows 88 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 4: where I would have been. I got three kids now, 89 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 4: I probably would have about twelve more. 90 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 3: Had it not been for Jesus, i'd. 91 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 4: Have my own disciples, twelve disciples. 92 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: But but yeah, man, God has been faithful. Man, He's 93 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: been good to me. 94 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: Yes, I love that. 95 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: Now, through your music, you have effortlessly blended faith and culture. 96 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 2: How has evolving in this space changed how you look 97 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: at being a Christian artist? Because I've heard you talk 98 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: on different interviews about how you label yourself. 99 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: How has that evolved? Over the years. 100 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I look at I look at the church as 101 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 4: like the greenhouse, and the greenhouse is great. You can 102 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 4: grow in there, it's safe. It's a bubble that's safe 103 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 4: for you to grow. But I came from the jungle, 104 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 4: and sometimes the greenhouse in the jungle don't communicate even 105 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 4: though there's a lot of similarities. It's plants we both 106 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 4: need to grow, you know. So I felt like I 107 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 4: needed to be a bridge from the greenhouse to the jungle. 108 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 4: And some people burn down bridges, but some people. 109 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: Walk across them. And my goal was for people to 110 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: be able to walk across. 111 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 4: So I want to be able to have relationships with people, 112 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 4: you know, in the hip hop industry and the mainstream industry, 113 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 4: and then be that bridge so that if they may 114 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 4: never step foot inside of a church, they may never 115 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 4: step foot inside of, you know, any event that is 116 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 4: as God oriented. So I wanted to kind of beat 117 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 4: that bridge from the world to the church. And that's 118 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 4: kind of how I exist. So I don't do the labels. 119 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 4: If you want to label me, go for it. I'm 120 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 4: whatever you need me to be. But at the end 121 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 4: of the day, I'm a bridge from the Kingdom to 122 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 4: the culture. 123 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: Yes, I know you've gotten a lot of backlash because 124 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: of that. How have you been able to just stand 125 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: ten toes down on who you are when even the 126 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 2: Christians are the ones saying d you know, because I 127 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 2: know the noise can get loud. How have you been 128 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: able to just stay true to who you are? 129 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? 130 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 4: You know you sometimes you you got to own what 131 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 4: God has called you to be. 132 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 133 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 4: And people have tried to cancel me, but you can't 134 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 4: cancel God's plans. 135 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: Can the church say? Amen, that's good? 136 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 137 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 4: So so for me, I'm gonna be who I am 138 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 4: and be that consistently. And you don't always everybody's not 139 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 4: gonna understand your mission, but that's why it's your mission, 140 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. 141 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 3: And I and I understand that about myself in the 142 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: end of the day, I like that. 143 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 4: Okay, come on, now, come on, now, come on, now, 144 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 4: what were we talking about? 145 00:06:58,760 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: Uh? 146 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 4: But you know, I'm following in the footsteps of the 147 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 4: greatest leader in the world. And he was misunderstood so 148 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 4: to the point that they killed him, crucified them, you 149 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 4: know what I mean. And so sometimes being who you 150 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 4: are called to be means you're going to be misunderstood. 151 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 4: But I don't want to waste time trying to explain 152 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 4: myself to people who are hell bent on misunderstanding me. 153 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: Yes, so good. 154 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: I remember I did your podcast and I was in 155 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: a different space in my walk than I am today. 156 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: And I remember calling you afterwards because it was so 157 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: much in the comments and it didn't feel like the 158 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: Christian community was a safe space for me. And I 159 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: remember I text you. I was like, Bro, I was like, 160 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: these people are crucifying me, and he was like, yeah, 161 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: I forgot to tell you my fans can be a 162 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: little harsh, but I hope they're not living in glasshouses. 163 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: And that still rings true because a lot of times 164 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: we forget that, we all fall short, you know. 165 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: And I remember that moment. 166 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't want to talk about 167 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: my walking more because I knew I was still working 168 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: on it. 169 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: I knew where I was trying to be, but I 170 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: wasn't there. 171 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: And even in that small phrase that you said, it 172 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: reminded me of Whoever has, Whoever is without singeing cast 173 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: the first song, And when you said it, I. 174 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: Was like, you're right. 175 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: A lot of these people are if they were living 176 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: in glasshouses, windows shattered, shattered. Yeah, so it has helped 177 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: me to walk in my truth. So I want to 178 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: thank you for that. 179 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 4: Oh no, absolutely, Listen. First of all, half of them 180 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 4: wish they was in your position. You know what I'm saying, 181 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 4: So cut it out. You hear me, cut it out. 182 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 4: And then the other thing about it is a lot 183 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 4: of people don't understand how difficult it is to grow 184 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 4: and to walk in the public eye. 185 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 3: You know what I mean. 186 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 4: Yes, you got your mess going on behind the scenes, 187 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 4: and nobody saw what you did and what you. 188 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: Said and where you was at last night. 189 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 4: Come on, but everybody knows, but you're trying to do 190 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 4: it in front of the world, and it's like, hey man, 191 00:08:58,880 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 4: cut me a break. 192 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy you said that because I thought about that. 193 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: Just even how we live our walk, we talk about 194 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: Christ out loud, and you you've been very outspoken about 195 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: your views on politics, the culture, the church, were like, 196 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: the church. 197 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: Community, everything, you name it. 198 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: You've been very vocal about it, to the point where 199 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 2: it often puts a target on your back. Has there 200 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 2: ever been a time or an instance where you said 201 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: something and then you go home, Like, after seeing all 202 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: the comments in the backlash, I just wish I never 203 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 2: said anything. 204 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 4: Yesterday, tonight, tomorrow, you know the thing I've begun to 205 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 4: understand and learn. So so I'll tell you true story. 206 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 4: I've been in some situations where you know, I let 207 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 4: people who don't really love me, who don't really know me, 208 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 4: U create too much pressure on me. And and you know, 209 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 4: if you live for people's acceptance, she'll die from their rejection. 210 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 5: So hey on my street, Yeah yeah, so so so 211 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 5: I let these voices that don't really know me, you know, 212 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 5: influence my attitude, my perspective. 213 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 4: So sometimes we do say things that we were like, man, 214 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 4: I probably I probably I didn't think about that one. 215 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: And and yes, we should be slow to speak and 216 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: quick to listen. 217 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 4: So there's there's been plenty times where I've said something 218 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 4: where it's kind of like, hey, maybe I should have 219 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 4: I should have slowed. 220 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: Up, Like one particud. 221 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: I'll never forget this particular instance where you know, this 222 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 4: woman just. 223 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 3: Really you know, she was very political and she just 224 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: you know, I was. 225 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 4: Talking about unarmed black people being killed in the street, 226 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 4: and she had her views, and she thought I was 227 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 4: being too political. And so on and so forth, and 228 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 4: I think, you know, something inside of me said, I 229 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 4: need her to know the me that doesn't get seen 230 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 4: on social media. I need her to see the version 231 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 4: of me that you know, Jesus still is working on. 232 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 4: And so I may have used some choice words to 233 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 4: address this woman via social media, and I thought to myself, 234 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 4: I said, you know what, I didn't have to do that. 235 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 4: As matter of fact, she didn't. She doesn't deserve, you know, 236 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 4: she doesn't deserve that level of engagement and interaction. I'm 237 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 4: wasting my time on this conversation. And so so I've 238 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 4: learned to just be quiet and let the people talk. 239 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 3: That was a long answer to your question, but that 240 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 3: was it. 241 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: No, that's good. That's good. 242 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: We talk about the current state of the world, and 243 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: we're living in some scary times. It's like I'm reading 244 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: my Bible and I'm seeing things play out in real time. 245 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 4: You know. 246 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: But I wanted to ask you because for me, in 247 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: the past year, it feels like there has not been 248 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: a conversation where Christ didn't come up. 249 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: You know. 250 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: It's like everybody is seeking the Lord. They're trying to 251 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: find some type of hope or something to believe in 252 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: because everyone is just divided right now. But also Christians 253 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: have been turned away from the faith because of the Church. 254 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: What do you feel we can do as a Christian 255 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: community to make Christianity as safe. 256 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: Space again, that's a good question. Okay. So number one, 257 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: we can't get caught up in a cultural war, y'all. 258 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: We can't. Like it's going to be a culture. 259 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 4: War going on out there where it's right verse left 260 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 4: or red verse blue, or whatever it may be. But 261 00:12:55,080 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 4: you can never choose the empire over the kingdom, right, don't, 262 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 4: because then the empire wins. 263 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 3: That's how Satan operates. 264 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 4: He don't care if the red or the blue wind, 265 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 4: as long as you are concerned with the empire and 266 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 4: not the kingdom. And so when we get so caught 267 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 4: up and everything going on, I'm not saying we don't fight, 268 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 4: we don't vote, we don't stand up for our rights. 269 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 4: But what I am saying is when we base our 270 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 4: hope on things outside of the Lord man, we're standing 271 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 4: on saying, that's gonna sink. 272 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: And I've been there to where I blamed. 273 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 4: God for all the chaos I saw instead of blaming 274 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 4: the broken people around me. Don't blame God for people hurts. 275 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 4: God didn't do that to you, then broken people did. 276 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 4: And He's the only one that's keeping you together in 277 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 4: the midst of the pain. 278 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 3: So that'd be my encouragement for folks. 279 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: Going through I love that because I know a lot 280 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: of people are looking if that was great, A lot 281 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: of people are looking for hope, even me. I'm just 282 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 2: like seeking the face of God during this time. And 283 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: a lot I hear a lot of people saying I 284 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: love the Lord. I'm like, but you don't fear him, 285 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: you know. It's a difference, like preach him. 286 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 3: Talk to me. You love him, but you don't feelhim. 287 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: Huh. You don't fear him, you know. 288 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: And I think as I've gotten into my Bible, I 289 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: hear his voice so loud. I can hear his anger 290 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: in the thunder. Like there's there's many times where I'm like, 291 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: I wake up and I'm. 292 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: Like you hear like, yeah, it's crazy. 293 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: And it's not to be scared of him, but to 294 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: just be And so in all that, you don't want 295 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: to let him down and you want to revere him 296 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: in such a way and you are so funny, keep going. 297 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: Come home. 298 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: But I think that that is the thing that people 299 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: are missing, you know, They're like they're searching for It's 300 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: so much going on every time you turn the TV on. 301 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: I'm even I'm off a Instagram right now, and I 302 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: look around in the room and everybody's on their phone, 303 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: and it's like you can watch in real time. How 304 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: like everybody's like, oh my god, this happened, or they're laughing. 305 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: It's just like wandering aimlessly on Instagram, like so much 306 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: time is going by. But also how you can be like, oh, look, 307 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: this just happened and something that is like very graphic, 308 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: very disturbing. But we're so desensitized because it's like pushed 309 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: in our face so much every single day. And this 310 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: has been like the most free that I felt, just 311 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: being disconnected and just living life and being productive, enjoying 312 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: my piece. 313 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 4: You know. 314 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you are known for your music. You did 315 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: your first studio album in two thousand and four, two 316 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: decades like you've. 317 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: Been in the game for a minute. 318 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: I was a kid, You was a kid, but. 319 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: You has grown now. How did you navigate what can 320 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: be called a niche lane? You know, because you. 321 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 2: I feel a lot of people are here two thousand 322 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: and four. 323 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: That's a long time ago. 324 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, to still be here and still relevant, which we're 325 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: gonna talk about in a second. 326 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, I think part of it is. 327 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 3: Part of it is being curious. You know. 328 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 4: I never My mother is seventy years old, and she's 329 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 4: her TikTok is more popping than mine is, you know, 330 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 4: because she's still curious, she's still engaged. I think a 331 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 4: lot of times we get older and we get stuck, 332 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 4: we just say I'm done. I don't have to think 333 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 4: about nothing else no more. I'm just going to live here. 334 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 4: But the world is going to keep on going. And 335 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 4: I'm not saying you got to keep up with every 336 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 4: trend and so on and so forth. But I do 337 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 4: think it's important to always stay learning. If you're not learning, 338 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 4: you're not growing. If you're not growing, you're dying, you 339 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 4: know what I'm like. Yeah, So for me, it's just 340 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 4: I just want to learn, and and part of learning 341 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 4: is staying connected to the culture, listening to younger artists, 342 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 4: listening to some stuff and saying that ain't for me, 343 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 4: but God bless you. 344 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 3: And then just doing what I do. You know, in 345 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: the midst of it. 346 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: Was there a moment where you like, okay, got could 347 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: you know you get that shiny new thing and it's 348 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 2: like okay, what's next? Or wow, like I sacrificed so 349 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: much to get this was it worth it? How did 350 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: you feel in that moment? And did you have a 351 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 2: premonition like that? 352 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? 353 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 4: I think when you are so I think most successful 354 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 4: people you're probably attested this because you're very successfully in self. 355 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 4: Most successful people are fighting through some trauma, some brokenness. 356 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, because. 357 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 4: There's something in you that is trying to prove or 358 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 4: validate some lies that have been told to you, or 359 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 4: fight through some lives event told you some insecurities. 360 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 3: And that's what makes us push so so so hard. 361 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 4: Even if you look at David in the Bible, like 362 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 4: he was so amazing, but he was still the son 363 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 4: of Jesse who was the last one to be picked 364 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 4: to be king, and so he just you see that 365 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 4: trauma coming out in his lifetime. And so for me, 366 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 4: you know, it took me a while to see that 367 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 4: these shiny statues don't validate me. I was already somebody 368 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 4: before I got them. 369 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 3: Yes, you know what I mean. 370 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 4: I was fearfully and wonderfully made and these are the 371 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 4: evidence of how gracious and good God is and what 372 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 4: He's done to me. But these these are not what 373 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 4: defines me. And it took me a while to get there. 374 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 4: So when you first get them, they do become an 375 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 4: extension of your worth and value and like, yeah, I'm 376 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 4: somebody now. 377 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 3: But as you grow you learn like this don't make me. 378 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: I make this no, absolutely, And you speak about we 379 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: all are fighting through trauma, you know, and as a 380 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 2: black man in the light, how have you been able 381 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 2: to deal and navigate your own trauma? 382 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 3: Therapy? 383 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: Come on, come on, man, a god, talk about it 384 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: because a lot of people I got Jesus, I don't 385 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 2: need therapy, Yes you do. 386 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. 387 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 3: Let me tell you something, man, I'm being honest. 388 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 4: All the folks out there who say I don't need therapy, 389 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 4: I got Jesus. Stop wearing your glasses, stop taking your 390 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 4: heart medicine, stop taking your insulin for your diabetes. 391 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 3: Stop exercising. You don't need it. 392 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 4: You got Jesus, right, Yeah, So like, stop wearing the odorant. 393 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: You got Jesus. You hear what I'm saying. It's ridiculous. 394 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 4: There is a there was a brain in your head 395 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 4: and there are people who understand the human brain. If 396 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 4: you really dig deep, you can find Christian therapists who 397 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 4: understand your human head and your spirit at your heart 398 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 4: and do a unique work. And my therapist, we pray 399 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 4: and then we get to work, you know what I'm saying. 400 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 4: So therapy has really been the most transformable part of 401 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 4: me because it allowed me, like my therapist had me 402 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 4: one time, to just hey, let's just think about the 403 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 4: little boy that was being abused, that was being neglected, 404 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 4: and let's pray for that little boy that was you. 405 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 3: And that was a powerful thing. 406 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 4: Like I know that boy is here now, but it 407 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 4: was a powerful thing to just go back and and 408 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 4: to wrestle that because a lot of us, especially as 409 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 4: black men, we think, well, we just got power through it. 410 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I'm just gonna power through it. 411 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 4: Be good, and I don't need nothing. And we're just 412 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 4: bottling up all of this, this this trauma. And we're 413 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 4: unhealthy men, and we are terrorizing our women with the 414 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 4: unhealth that is living. 415 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 3: Inside of us. And it's not fair to the women, 416 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. 417 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 4: And so and and women are having to settle for 418 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 4: unhealthy men which is ridiculou And that's why so many 419 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 4: single women now because they ain't. 420 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: Got time for your unhealthy foolishness. So get healthy. Come on, 421 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying now you preaching? Hey listen, 422 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 3: I got a daughter. Come on, I got time for this. 423 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: That's real, that's real. 424 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: You recently released your tenth solo album, Reconstruction. 425 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: Y'all can dreads together? Have y'all heard it? Have you 426 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: downloaded it? 427 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 3: I appreciate all of y'all. I love all of y'all. 428 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, download it right now. 429 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 3: If you don't appreciate. 430 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 4: Y'all, and come see me at the Taper Neck on 431 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 4: November twenty third, come holl let me. 432 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: Hey. It is fire. 433 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: It is my new gym workout album. It gets me 434 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 2: through the StairMaster. And that's the hardest part of being 435 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 2: like uh. But when I was telling you backstage, I 436 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 2: had started a fast earlier this month, and I was like, 437 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: oh la, Craye. 438 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: Has a new album out. 439 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: Because even with the music that I listen to, I'm 440 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 2: very very intentional about what I take in, especially when 441 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 2: i'm fasting. Because a lot of us have said it before, 442 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 2: we don't realize that music is a portal. 443 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: It insights feelings, whether we realize it or not. 444 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 3: So just preach what else you want to say. We listen. 445 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: So I was driving down the road and it was 446 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: the song Bless You Lord, and that's literally I play 447 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 2: it over and over and over again. But it was 448 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: a part where you said I've done some things that 449 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 2: I cannot stomach, and I immediately I was like a 450 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: gut punch and I just immediately started crying. And it 451 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: was a realization that a lot of times, when we're 452 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 2: living out of the will of God, we're doing things 453 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: and not even realizing that it's detestable to him, you know, 454 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 2: and he's very disappointed and just thinking about his grace 455 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 2: and even like when you change your life, you look 456 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: back and like I cannot believe I was doing what me, 457 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 2: you know, and just the grace of God. It hit 458 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: me and I was just so grateful. But if it 459 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 2: had him in any other day, I was just been bopping. 460 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: But that day I was like, I was like, what 461 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: do you say? And so I kept listening to it. 462 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 2: But that whole album it feels like a public service announcement. 463 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 2: I feel like you're very deliberate, You're intentional and you're 464 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: letting us know we need to shake some things up. 465 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: You over here turning the tables over, and it's time 466 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: let's talk about the inspiration behind Reconstruction. 467 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, Reconstruction is it's an album about understanding that sometimes 468 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 4: we have built lives, whether that is spiritually, relationally, financially, 469 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 4: we have built our lives. 470 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 3: Most of us on a solid foundation, especially if it's 471 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 3: the Lord. 472 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: We hopeing that foundation is gonna last. 473 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 3: Hey, come on, now, come on, now you've been listening. 474 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 3: I like it. But the foundation is solid. 475 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 4: Some walls are cracked and some some some mold is 476 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 4: in the ceiling, and there's some asbestos in our house, 477 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 4: and so you know, we have to deconstruct that house 478 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 4: to reconstruct the one that we're supposed to have. So 479 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 4: so my personal story is that, you know, I was 480 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 4: so church hurt that I said I'm done with God. 481 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 3: I'm out because I was just so that I was 482 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 3: so hurt, and and. 483 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 4: Be cause I didn't grow up in church. I said, well, 484 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 4: I'm just go back to doing what I was doing. 485 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 4: You know, I'm back. I'm gonna go back to the streets, 486 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 4: you know. And I felt like Peter when Jesus told him. 487 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 4: He said, you know you're gonna deny me. Three times, 488 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 4: Peter like, no, I'll never do that. But then he 489 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 4: denied him. And when he denied him, Jesus looked at 490 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 4: him after the rooster Crow, and I was thinking Jesus 491 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 4: looked at him and said, I told you he was 492 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 4: gonna deny me. But he wasn't saying I told you, 493 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 4: so he was saying I knew you was gonna do that, 494 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 4: and I still chose you. 495 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 3: I still chose you. 496 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 4: And that was the beginning of my reconstruction, right. It 497 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 4: was like God told God told me, like, no, I 498 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 4: need you to keep bills, and I need you to 499 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 4: start over, reconstruct this house. I'm gonna do a work 500 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 4: in it, and we're gonna still use you. You not done, 501 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 4: your story, not over yet, so you can start over today. 502 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 4: So this album was me expressing the people the process 503 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 4: that I had gotten to to get past the guilt 504 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 4: and the shame and to still be useful in the 505 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 4: kingdom and to collaborate with people to make music so 506 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 4: that even the people I'm collaborating with, so that they 507 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 4: understand that t I kill them. Mike, come on, we're 508 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 4: gonna do a song together. We're gonna talk about the 509 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 4: grief that we've gone through, losing family members, losing friends, 510 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 4: and we're going to allow that to be a healing 511 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 4: moment for us all so we can be reconstructed. And 512 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 4: that's why I did the album. I just want people 513 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 4: to know their story is not over it. We can 514 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 4: still keep going. 515 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: That is so good. 516 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 2: That's something that I feel like a lot of us 517 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: as Christians, we carry this shit and God ain't even 518 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: think about that nowhere. He has forgiven and forgotten about that, 519 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: and we're still carrying it, and it's not allowing him 520 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 2: to use this the way that he wants us to use. 521 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 2: I know that's something I struggled with as well, and 522 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: I want anybody to know in the audience, if that's 523 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 2: something you're struggling with, if you've repented for it and 524 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: asked for forgiveness and you're moving differently, God has forgiven 525 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: you for that. So stop holding back on what God 526 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: has for you, because a lot of times our shame 527 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: is just the enemy's way of keeping us from doing 528 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: what God wants us to do. Y'all. 529 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: He is no nah nah nah nah nah nah nah. 530 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 4: The woman as successful actress podcast. 531 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 3: You do not have to be up here a preaching 532 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 3: at these folks like this. You know what I'm saying. 533 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 4: You could have just been quiet on your show, chilling, 534 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 4: letting all them fall in love with your character. 535 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 3: And getting mad at everybody who oppose you. But you 536 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 3: out of character right now, preciing the folks appreciate it. 537 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: Listen, I'm Moses right now, this is him speaking. I 538 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 2: was like, just speak through me, Lord, whatever you got 539 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: for the people. I just do whatever he promised me 540 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: to do. Yes, let him use you, But no, it's real. 541 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: You're an artist. 542 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 2: You're a songwriter and author in addition to being a 543 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: husband and a father. 544 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 3: That's right. 545 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: How do you handle it all? 546 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 3: Oh? 547 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 4: You got to prioritize. Let me tell you what I do. 548 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 4: I prioritize. I walk in the house, my kids be like, Daddy, 549 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 4: get out of my way. I'm trying to holler at 550 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 4: your mama. 551 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 3: You move. 552 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 4: Because listen, she's the priority for me, She's the party. 553 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 4: All they want is for us to stay together anyway, 554 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 4: So they ain't mad that they come second fiddle to 555 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 4: their mama. 556 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 557 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 4: So I prioritize her, you know, and make sure that 558 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 4: she doesn't feel like the world is crumbling around her. 559 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 4: She feels supported, you know what I mean. And and 560 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 4: and you know, not to get on my high horse. 561 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 4: But fellas, that's what leadership is, you you. Leadership is 562 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 4: not being a tyrant. It's not telling somebody what to do. 563 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 4: Leadership is leading in service, leading in humility, leading and 564 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 4: asking questions. You know what I'm saying, Uh, lead in 565 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 4: those areas like lead in apologize because she ain't never 566 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 4: gonna do it anyway, so uh, you know, but but 567 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 4: that that's my number one priority. But then here's the 568 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 4: here's the kicker. And this confused a lot of people. 569 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 4: I say, but before her and here, just stay with 570 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 4: me before hers me, Stay with me, stay with me. 571 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 3: Before hers me. 572 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 4: Because if I am not emotionally spiritually healthy, I'm no 573 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 4: good for her. 574 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 3: I'm no good for her. 575 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 4: So I have to take care of my relationship with 576 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 4: the Lord. I got to take care of my mental health, 577 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 4: my emotional health, so that I can be there for 578 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 4: her and prioritize her and prioritize my kids. Now, after 579 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 4: me and the Lord and me and my wife and 580 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 4: me and my kids, then I get the rest of 581 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 4: the world some energy. 582 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 3: Y'all can get some energy. 583 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 4: Because my family only gonna get one meed the world 584 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 4: can find another artist. 585 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: Right, Okay. I love that. 586 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: In closing, I want to ask you, is there anything 587 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: that you want to let us know you have coming 588 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 2: up where we can follow you. 589 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: Keep up with you all the things. 590 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 4: Go stream my album, Go listen to it two more times, 591 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 4: ten more times. Thank you, keep up with me on 592 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 4: a deep in podcast. I might be back on social 593 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 4: media next week. 594 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 3: We'll see what. 595 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 4: Happens, and make sure you give flowers to this woman. 596 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 3: Thank you because she don't have to do this. 597 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 4: Sincerely, this is your platform and you invite me up here, 598 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 4: but I gotta I gotta give you your flowers. Like 599 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 4: I love the way you're using your platform. I love 600 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 4: the way you're using your voice. A million little girls 601 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 4: want to grow up to be actresses. But but, but 602 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 4: but it's difficult when you get there to leverage it 603 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 4: and use it in a way that blesses people in 604 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 4: a way that you're doing. 605 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 3: So thank you and thank you for having me. 606 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for everyone who came out. Thank 607 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: you so much. We love you. In the meantime, in 608 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: between time, y'all know what to do. Yes. I love 609 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: you guys so much.