Speaker 1: I have a question for both of you that kind
Speaker 1: of pertains to our guests today. Do either one of
Speaker 1: you have a very wardrobe specific story that's like an
Speaker 1: embarrassing clothing.
Speaker 2: Story from your life?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: The best is when I was doing Ley Miz for
Speaker 2: some I have like two shoe stories about lay bits.
Speaker 2: They It was such a great part because I was
Speaker 2: Gavroche and I had a couple of, you know, solo numbers.
Speaker 2: But then there were also huge sections of the play
Speaker 2: where they just there would be main stuff going on
Speaker 2: and we would just be running around. All us actors
Speaker 2: would be in the background, and every night we would
Speaker 2: stay in character and do different things, like we would
Speaker 2: play out little scenes and like have little in jokes
Speaker 2: like me and other actors and so at ten it
Speaker 2: was the greatest because it was like every night we're
Speaker 2: in front of an audience, but we're just playing make believe.
Speaker 2: So I'd be running around. Well, one time they resold
Speaker 2: my shoes and didn't tell me, so I would get
Speaker 2: I got dressed before the show and then we can't.
Speaker 2: The way Gavroche is introduced is I'm under a blanket
Speaker 2: while these giant sets come on and the song started,
Speaker 2: and then I jump out of the blanket and run
Speaker 2: up to the front of the stage land and jump
Speaker 2: and go, how do you do? My name's GeV Rosch.
Speaker 2: And it's like this whole thing we're upsitting to the
Speaker 2: audience where I get up and I run and just
Speaker 2: right in front of the audience, completely fallow in my
Speaker 2: ass like just you're bam. And then I was like
Speaker 2: ha ha, and then I get trying to sing, get
Speaker 2: up to my feet like really hurt myself, and I'm
Speaker 2: trying to sing, and then I'm supposed to run this
Speaker 2: figure eight around the set and then just immediately eat
Speaker 2: it again, like I'm right after my song. I kept
Speaker 2: tripping in front of the It was like the most
Speaker 2: embarrassing thing. And then this other time, because they had
Speaker 2: elastic shoelaces because you could you could tie them and
Speaker 2: then just slip your shoes on and off or whatever.
Speaker 2: But my shoelaces came untied. And so there was a
Speaker 2: section of the play where I'm back, I'm behind something
Speaker 2: while Javert is singing Stars this great song Stars. And
Speaker 2: then after his song is over, Gavroche like comes out
Speaker 2: on this little ledge and says like that inspector thinks
Speaker 2: he's something, but it's me who runs this town. Has
Speaker 2: this little like diddy. So I had to sit I
Speaker 2: always every night, I had to sit in the back
Speaker 2: like by myself on this piece of the set, like
Speaker 2: up high while the stars was going on, and my
Speaker 2: shoelace had comeing tied. So I tied my shoes in
Speaker 2: the dark while the song was going on. And then
Speaker 2: I went out for my number, and I tied my
Speaker 2: shoelaces together, so I immediately I'm on a ledge and
Speaker 2: I'm walking out and I'm like and luckily they were
Speaker 2: elastic so I could stretch just enough. But again I
Speaker 2: almost fell off of like a second story in front
Speaker 2: of the audience. Yeah shoes, Oh shoes, man shoes and
Speaker 2: le miz.
Speaker 1: Wait, so the shoes they re sold? What was wrong
Speaker 1: with the next one? They were just they weren't old,
Speaker 1: so they weren't scuffed up on the bottom.
Speaker 2: They were so they were too smooth. They had like
Speaker 2: resold them and they put and they didn't tell me
Speaker 2: and they didn't scuff them up. So like, because I
Speaker 2: like fell four or five times that night, the ward
Speaker 2: person was like, oh, I'm so sorry, And then he
Speaker 2: just took he like filed them down, like roofed them
Speaker 2: up up. Yeah, because the set was actually like this
Speaker 2: land it looked like cobblestone, but it wasn't real cobblestone. Obviously.
Speaker 2: It was a giant rotating stage and so they cover it.
Speaker 2: It's like to make it look like it has like
Speaker 2: a It had like a plasticchine over it, like it
Speaker 2: had like this laminate over it. So it was like
Speaker 2: a very interesting smooth floor even though it looks rough
Speaker 2: like cobblestone. So yeah, I just ate it.
Speaker 3: Wow, Wow, what about you will wardrobe?
Speaker 5: Wi is the only one I can think of that
Speaker 5: is for actually shooting something. I mean, when I was
Speaker 5: a kid, I was told there was a toga party,
Speaker 5: and I went and I was the only one in
Speaker 5: a toga that was Yeah, I started crying, were you
Speaker 5: third grade?
Speaker 6: I did, Well, it's because you don't.
Speaker 5: I was at camp And to make it worse, I
Speaker 5: only had a fitted sheet, so I did I didn't you.
Speaker 6: Even have a regular toga sheet on?
Speaker 5: I just had the fitted sheet, So like the cart
Speaker 5: was like coming around my neck and.
Speaker 2: Liked or did you leave?
Speaker 5: I finally well, again, it was in the middle of
Speaker 5: So I was at camp and we'd have to go
Speaker 5: back to our cabins to get dressed. So I like
Speaker 5: walked to the party, which was at another cabin like
Speaker 5: a half a mile away, and I got there and
Speaker 5: everyone was like making fun of me because I was
Speaker 5: the only one. But I had the last laugh because
Speaker 5: I walked back and I put on my brother's windbreaker
Speaker 5: and my parachute pants and I went back and I
Speaker 5: was the only one who could break dance, and I
Speaker 5: had the whole crowd like clapping.
Speaker 4: By the end of the night.
Speaker 5: The girl at the camp it was like looking at
Speaker 5: me and wanted to talk to me. Yeah, I really
Speaker 5: I really pulled that night out. Yeah was I mean?
Speaker 5: You said you cried? I really thought we were getting
Speaker 5: a different story, and I cried at first, But then
Speaker 5: you know, when like breakdance exactly what it comes down
Speaker 5: to give you lemonss. But no the for an actual wardrobe.
Speaker 5: When we were doing Trojan War, the entire film takes
Speaker 5: place in one night. That's the worst wear for months,
Speaker 5: and at the beginning of the film, I'm first covered
Speaker 5: in water and then covered in flower. So every night
Speaker 5: I had to start shooting by putting on the same
Speaker 5: nasty clothes and then them wetting me down and covering
Speaker 5: me with flour. And that was for like twenty nights
Speaker 5: in a row. We had to do that night after
Speaker 5: night after night. So wardrobe wise, that one was. I mean,
Speaker 5: by the end, it's like crusty and you're trying to
Speaker 5: put on the jacket that's like nasty, and it's starting
Speaker 5: to smell and it's Yeah, that was So that was
Speaker 5: a fun one. But I didn't cry, and but I
Speaker 5: also didn't break dance.
Speaker 1: You also didn't get the cool girl at the camp
Speaker 1: in that one, But that's true. What about you, Well,
Speaker 1: mine is not actually a wardrobe meaning like professional stuff.
Speaker 1: Mine is just a junior high school story. I had
Speaker 1: lived in Orange County, and in Orange County at my
Speaker 1: elementary school, we always got dressed up for the first
Speaker 1: day of school, like the first day of school, you
Speaker 1: wore something a little fancier than you would wear every
Speaker 1: other day.
Speaker 3: I don't really know why.
Speaker 1: And Jessica and I, my best friend in elementary school,
Speaker 1: used to go shopping together and we would pick an
Speaker 1: outfit and we would usually like if not Matt, wear
Speaker 1: the same thing like twins. We would color coordinate, we
Speaker 1: would somehow connect our outfits. So I moved from Orange
Speaker 1: County at the beginning of sixth grade, which is an
Speaker 1: awkward time, like junior high is a terrible time anyway.
Speaker 1: But it was a new school. I didn't know anybody,
Speaker 1: and I just assumed in nineteen ninety one or whatever
Speaker 1: it was nineteen ninety that still people would probably people
Speaker 1: would be getting dressed up for the first day of school.
Speaker 3: And I wore.
Speaker 1: I wore like a long sleeved pants and pants.
Speaker 3: It was one outfit.
Speaker 1: It was like one piece and it was black and
Speaker 1: it had little white flowers on it, and I wore
Speaker 1: it with pantyhose and ballet flats. And I showed up
Speaker 1: at a right middle school in Calabasas wearing this outfit,
Speaker 1: and everyone was so cool and cool at that time.
Speaker 1: Was a little on the grunge side. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like flannels tied around the waist, converse that were really
Speaker 1: super beat up, a T shirt, and I was the
Speaker 1: new girl in school.
Speaker 3: My hair was perfectly quaffed.
Speaker 1: I had this outfit on and everyone was just looking
Speaker 1: at me as I was passing in the halls and
Speaker 1: as I was walking to lunch a kid passed me
Speaker 1: and said.
Speaker 3: What are you wearing? You look like you're going to
Speaker 3: a funeral.
Speaker 1: I was like, meanwhile, also, guys, my mom tried to
Speaker 1: tell me. My mom as I was getting ready, She's like, Danielle, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think you should wear this.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think anyone's going to be
Speaker 1: dressed like this. And I was like, no, no, I
Speaker 1: want to wear such an incredible mom. She was like,
Speaker 1: I really don't think people are going to be dressing
Speaker 1: like this. I don't think you should wear it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, this is definitely what I
Speaker 1: want to wear. I came home from school that day
Speaker 1: and I was like, we need to go shopping. I
Speaker 1: need a bunch of garbage clothes. And I went back
Speaker 1: the next day like anyone else, like.
Speaker 6: Just exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably part of where my my PTSD
Speaker 1: of just I must not have any style, because I
Speaker 1: I was dressed like I was going to a funeral
Speaker 1: in firs day of sixth grade. Man anyway, welcome to
Speaker 1: Pod Meets World. I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm rather or Strong,
Speaker 1: and I'm Wilfordell. It was no secret what we felt
Speaker 1: about season one's wardrobe on Boy Meets World, and I
Speaker 1: think think writer's son Indy said it best with too
Speaker 1: much shirts, and even when it was the right amount
Speaker 1: of shirts, everyone seemed to be wearing tops that went
Speaker 1: down to their knees.
Speaker 3: But then came season two and we.
Speaker 1: Quickly found ourselves no longer making fun of the clothes,
Speaker 1: but rather loving the changes, and we quickly realized, oh,
Speaker 1: that's when Sarah took over. Sarah Markowitz came to Boy
Speaker 1: Meets World for seasons two and three after already creating
Speaker 1: some of the most iconic looks of the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 1: She had already put a sweater around the waist of
Speaker 1: Keanu Reeves for Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, and was
Speaker 1: the costume designer who created the absolutely iconic looks of
Speaker 1: David Lynch's Twin Peaks, which has some of the most
Speaker 1: memorable outfits of television ever.
Speaker 3: And for good reason.
Speaker 1: We have so many vivid memories of Sarah and loving
Speaker 1: what she brought to the show, it's hard for us
Speaker 1: to not think she was in charge of our clothes
Speaker 1: for the entire run instead of just for two seasons.
Speaker 1: Some other projects she's worked on Less than Zero, Coyote Ugly,
Speaker 1: the Steven Spielberg movie AI, and the entire run of
Speaker 1: a little show called The Big Bang Theory. But today,
Speaker 1: because we had producer husband of this podcast, Jensen Karp,
Speaker 1: literally stalk her and find her, she has been gracious
Speaker 1: enough to lend us some time to talk about the
Speaker 1: coolness and chic that she brought to Boy Meets World.
Speaker 1: So let's please welcome the absolutely wonderful and endlessly stylish
Speaker 1: Sarah Markowitz.
Speaker 6: Wow. Oh my god, it's so good to see your face.
Speaker 4: Nice nice to see your faces.
Speaker 3: Wow, man, you look just the way I remember you.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you.
Speaker 3: That's a good thing, Yes it is.
Speaker 6: I just got instantly emotional.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 6: I just got instantly emotional.
Speaker 4: Oh geez, sweet. I am so touch that you even
Speaker 4: people care about all this kind of stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean, I guess I can't speak to
Speaker 1: whether or not anybody else cares.
Speaker 3: But the three of us carey.
Speaker 4: We care about the three of you. That's my story
Speaker 4: and I'm sticking to it.
Speaker 3: The three of us care a lot.
Speaker 1: We were so excited when you agreed to do this
Speaker 1: with us, and we're willing to sit down and talk
Speaker 1: with us, because you know, we have talked a lot
Speaker 1: about our wardrobe over season one and then going into
Speaker 1: season two, and season two had such a just such
Speaker 1: a change in the style of everyone.
Speaker 2: Become the show because it's what we all had memories
Speaker 2: of the first season, Like we knew we had like
Speaker 2: lots of hoods and like we'd too many layers, and
Speaker 2: then when we were watching it, we're like, well, this
Speaker 2: is just ridiculous, Like our order was so crazy. And
Speaker 2: then it's like the second season, we're like, oh, that's
Speaker 2: the show we remember, that's what we all look that's
Speaker 2: it looks like Boy Meets World now, And we were
Speaker 2: like it was Sarah, it was so fun to remember, Like.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, it's funny because I mean, when it's
Speaker 4: hard to remember, you know, it's a long time ago.
Speaker 4: In thinking about it and getting ready to talk to
Speaker 4: you guys. I mean, so much of what I do
Speaker 4: is just instinct, you know, it's not it's not like linear,
Speaker 4: you know, that is what feels right. And I knew
Speaker 4: for sure I really never liked those hoods and those
Speaker 4: like sleeve things.
Speaker 3: I still don't.
Speaker 4: Like them, like you know, and sometimes like it is
Speaker 4: appropriate for you know, it's there are like stereotypical things
Speaker 4: that we think of, like if you think of a thug,
Speaker 4: you know, or buy in a bar a burly guy
Speaker 4: and you put a cut sleeve thing, you know. I mean,
Speaker 4: I've done it since you know, it does sometimes it's right,
Speaker 4: but for some reason for me, it never felt right
Speaker 4: for you guys. And also the show was Philadelphia, and
Speaker 4: it felt very California. You know that that look for
Speaker 4: me never felt East Coast, if so, and still does
Speaker 4: more West coast. And it is, you know, one of
Speaker 4: the challenges. I mean, it's not brain surgery, but it's
Speaker 4: one of the challenges we have in costumes, Like you know,
Speaker 4: it's ninety five degrees outside, but you're supposed to be
Speaker 4: in this, you know, So it sucks that have to
Speaker 4: layer you up and put you in many things, but
Speaker 4: you act and you pretend you know, we're we're in
Speaker 4: the business and make.
Speaker 5: Believe so some of us because we've we've we've determined
Speaker 5: that Danielle cannot act while wearing a winter coat.
Speaker 3: She has I can't act in a jacket.
Speaker 1: You remember me saying that I probably didn't start speaking
Speaker 1: up about it in only second season. But I just
Speaker 1: I can't act in a jacket. I can wear it
Speaker 1: into the scene, but then the I have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to take the jacket off, I'm going to need to
Speaker 1: take that out.
Speaker 6: She never she never master jacket. She never master jacket.
Speaker 6: She just couldn't do it. She couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: No, I love having armor on, like I like feeling
Speaker 2: like layered up like I hate it, like I hate it.
Speaker 2: Just being in a T shirt like that always made
Speaker 2: me such uncomfortable acting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and it's funny for me because again
Speaker 4: it's kind of throughout my whole career, you know, and
Speaker 4: especially in kids, which you all were at that time.
Speaker 4: I don't like that little empty space like in a shirt.
Speaker 4: I like covering it in with a T shirt underneath it.
Speaker 4: So I'm always a layer girl, like especially on younger kids,
Speaker 4: because I think that's I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 4: that that's a part of the body we should really
Speaker 4: be seeing and interesting. That's right or legitimate, but it's
Speaker 4: a right thing. So I always, you know, or most
Speaker 4: of the time, I do fill that in. But Danielle,
Speaker 4: you were so great and actually with the exception of
Speaker 4: will you were all even Ben, although looking at pictures
Speaker 4: he wasn't the greatest at it. But you were so
Speaker 4: great with vintage clothing, you know, which was a big
Speaker 4: part of my thing. I love set and I mean, Danielle,
Speaker 4: you and those vintage jackets. I mean, you know, we're
Speaker 4: so great on your body and some of the pictures
Speaker 4: and images that you were I like layering. But I
Speaker 4: even liked it with with T. Penga because you know,
Speaker 4: like one of the pictures you sent me with the
Speaker 4: like that vintage dress going.
Speaker 3: To talk about it.
Speaker 4: But then with the boots like I don't know, I
Speaker 4: just liked that. I like that idea. And then for writer,
Speaker 4: those vintage vests that you know had found and had
Speaker 4: you know, then had more made you know, for you,
Speaker 4: and and then I just like that will you seem
Speaker 4: to become like the sweater guy, you know? And I
Speaker 4: didn't think it mattered what season it was, you were
Speaker 4: just kind of the sweater guy. And I apologize for that,
Speaker 4: No you kidding.
Speaker 5: I love I'm in real life, I'm sweater guys. So
Speaker 5: I have no problem with that whatsoever. As long as
Speaker 5: I'm comfortable, I'm fine.
Speaker 4: So I had to do with you know school and
Speaker 4: you know, like where everybody was in their life, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean also one of my biggest memories really in
Speaker 4: thinking I didn't really prepare, but in thinking about this
Speaker 4: was a mister Turner, Like he was a character that
Speaker 4: I loved and I always had like secret things and
Speaker 4: I still do on my shows now. But with his ties, yes,
Speaker 4: we have to talk about it, yeah whatever, like you know,
Speaker 4: but nobody really knew and I didn't really discuss it,
Speaker 4: like I.
Speaker 2: Just okay, so this was totally your secret agenda.
Speaker 3: You slipped the ties in there.
Speaker 6: That's so great. We were trying to find out where
Speaker 6: they came from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we thought we had Tony on the show.
Speaker 6: We were like Tony, like did you.
Speaker 2: Ever talk about it? He was like, no, no one
Speaker 2: ever talked to me. But they're so striking now. It's
Speaker 2: such like it's it's such an obvious, bold choice that
Speaker 2: somebody was making.
Speaker 6: You.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with me, it always had ninety nine percent of
Speaker 4: the time it had to do with either the theme
Speaker 4: of that episode, you know what I mean, Like there
Speaker 4: was a whole little secret like what are those stupid
Speaker 4: things that Taylor Swift calls him? You know, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, it was my little thing. I just did
Speaker 4: the show last year called the United States of Al
Speaker 4: and it was about Afghan interpreter that we, you know,
Speaker 4: worked with our military and we brought him to the
Speaker 4: country and he lived with his family in Cincinnati and
Speaker 4: at one point, I guess they don't have birthday parties.
Speaker 4: He never really knew his birthday, and so the family
Speaker 4: put together a birthday party for him and I had
Speaker 4: him in this shirt that was all these different colors
Speaker 4: and on rack approval, you know, my executive was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I don't know about that shirt, and I said, well,
Speaker 4: the reason I picked that shirt is because it's the
Speaker 4: color that everybody, all the family members are wearing, and
Speaker 4: he is the one that's the Titus family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I explained it to me. I started crying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful.
Speaker 4: That's one of the things that we do or that
Speaker 4: I do, that people don't really know. But I just random,
Speaker 4: like I went to my closet and picked out this. Today.
Speaker 4: There's an awful lot of that goes into you know,
Speaker 4: but most people don't know it.
Speaker 1: You know, no, but it's so fun because it's like
Speaker 1: it's it's your love letter to the shows. You work
Speaker 1: on to be like, I'm thoughtful about this, I'm particular
Speaker 1: about this, and because I did notice, we talked about
Speaker 1: it with one of the Turner ties that we noticed.
Speaker 1: It was a I think a holiday episode the Turnaround Dance,
Speaker 1: where there's barely any mention of holiday throughout or Christmas
Speaker 1: throughout the episode, but the signs they're hanging for the
Speaker 1: Christmas episode have like a snowman on it. And I
Speaker 1: noticed that one of Turner's ties was red and it
Speaker 1: had swirls and it just seemed christmasy. I was like,
Speaker 1: I think it's a Christmas tie, and so it was.
Speaker 1: And we're all the ties vintage.
Speaker 4: Ninety percent of them, if not more were, I mean,
Speaker 4: and it's funny. I have most of my stuff in
Speaker 4: storage now when I wrap that show, but I have
Speaker 4: some of the ties I kept. I mean, I just
Speaker 4: because I collect that kind of stuff. Actually, I had
Speaker 4: your bathrobe too. You had that Shinio bathrobe that I
Speaker 4: think it had like the keeycock or something on the
Speaker 4: back of this on other shows before. I mean, I
Speaker 4: try to do that as well. And a writer, I
Speaker 4: think I and I was at her place yesterday and
Speaker 4: I meant to grab it. I think I have two
Speaker 4: of your vinted shirts that my mom wore, you know,
Speaker 4: like has worn over the years. Next time and I'll
Speaker 4: reach out to Jenson and I'll let you guys know,
Speaker 4: or I'll send them to you because I was so well.
Speaker 5: The thing we think is really funny is that we
Speaker 5: went through the whole first season of the show started
Speaker 5: the second season, none of us even mentioned that it
Speaker 5: wasn't an HD. It didn't bother any of us. We
Speaker 5: couldn't really see some of the stuff. So then the
Speaker 5: Turner ties came up, and all of a sudden, it
Speaker 5: was like, why is it not an HD?
Speaker 3: We can't see what's on the tie show.
Speaker 4: Because of you, and I was trying to think what
Speaker 4: it was. I didn't really do it with mister Feenie,
Speaker 4: but there was one episode in particular, and you guys
Speaker 4: might know what it is, but there was we're under
Speaker 4: his tie there, and I used it on Twin Peaks.
Speaker 4: There was that naked hula dancer under his tie. But
Speaker 4: I didn't like show him or tell him, but then
Speaker 4: I did and she had like a grass it was
Speaker 4: with but she had like a grass skirt over but yeah,
Speaker 4: she wasn't really a pin up, but I used it
Speaker 4: on Doctor Jacoby and Twin Peaks and I was like,
Speaker 4: and there was some episode that it warranted. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: I don't I have no recollection of what it was.
Speaker 4: I don't know if mister Turner bottom of tie.
Speaker 3: I don't know, wait till we get to that episode.
Speaker 4: But he did have a tie, and I remember like
Speaker 4: telling Bill about it, or you know, talking to him
Speaker 4: about it and saying, you know, I hope you don't mind,
Speaker 4: and he would like walk around and he'd like flash
Speaker 4: it to people, you know, So I do remember. That
Speaker 4: is a memory I have of a tie.
Speaker 2: Of mister secret tie.
Speaker 4: I wonder if it was the only time, you know.
Speaker 2: There's there's that one episode that we did watch where
Speaker 2: he where he had been at some music thing, remember
Speaker 2: where it was like the island music.
Speaker 6: That were talking.
Speaker 2: It's run right, and I forget It's like a backstory
Speaker 2: where he recorded some band and he was like a tar. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe it was the episode.
Speaker 4: Because I think it and I don't remember, and again
Speaker 4: it's in storage. It had it was Hawaiian on the
Speaker 4: front as well, but on the back was this whole
Speaker 4: hula dancer that when you moved her skirt she was
Speaker 4: kind of naked. What a cool story. I do remember, Well,
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure I have it in storage. So the
Speaker 4: next time, on whatever next go, I get and I
Speaker 4: put my stuff out of storage, you know, because there
Speaker 4: are certain things that you know, over the years, I've
Speaker 4: had to keep, you know, I just keep because they're special.
Speaker 4: And I saw the clip that when you guys had
Speaker 4: dity and that necklace, you know, I mean, that was
Speaker 4: so special and I certainly had no memory or recollection
Speaker 4: of that that that was like a ritual that you
Speaker 4: guys did getting an end.
Speaker 6: I didn't remember it either.
Speaker 2: At first I thought it was yeah, I was like,
Speaker 2: where did I get this necklace?
Speaker 6: Girlfriend or something?
Speaker 4: It was like, I didn't remember either, But I think
Speaker 4: also were I mean, I think one of the things
Speaker 4: that really for me matters in my work and what
Speaker 4: I do, is like the backstory and where you guys
Speaker 4: come from, you know, a writer in a trailer park
Speaker 4: and family, mister Turner, you know. I mean, I think
Speaker 4: a lot of that stuff helps inform decisions, you know,
Speaker 4: I think, I mean, I don't have any real memories
Speaker 4: of interacting a lot like with the producers in terms
Speaker 4: of what you were wearing or what you were not wearing.
Speaker 4: You know. Michael always used to say, you know, again,
Speaker 4: there are a lot of people who don't understand. I mean,
Speaker 4: Chuck Lory is not a whole lot different, you know
Speaker 4: when they describe things. You know, but Michael always like
Speaker 4: wanted acid washed genes, you know, those words like he
Speaker 4: just knew, but he literally really meant that. But you know,
Speaker 4: people get in their head a certain term of something
Speaker 4: and it's like with that and what does that mean?
Speaker 4: And not everybody can do and be that, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's such an interesting aspect of your job, you know,
Speaker 2: to have to like take because I mean most people,
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't go through life thinking about
Speaker 2: clothing that much, you know, like and so you yeah
Speaker 2: and so like. And you could be a very creative writer, director, producer,
Speaker 2: but not really be good at that, right or or
Speaker 2: be very good at it for yourself, but never think
Speaker 2: like I wouldn't know how to dress a woman, for instance,
Speaker 2: you know, like, yeah, but I would love to be
Speaker 2: able to give input on some wardrobe, but I wouldn't
Speaker 2: know how to I wouldn't have the vocabulary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the shit of the matter is. I mean a
Speaker 4: couple of things about that. I think Number one about input,
Speaker 4: I as still to this day, I am a believer
Speaker 4: that if you don't feel as an actor, if you
Speaker 4: don't feel comfortable in it, then I haven't done my
Speaker 4: job right right, you know? Like it. There are certain
Speaker 4: things that I'll fight for that I think are important,
Speaker 4: and I'll explain to you why I pick that shirt
Speaker 4: or why I think this, and maybe when you hear
Speaker 4: my reasoning behind it, you I feel differently about it.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, if you don't
Speaker 4: feel right in it, then you're not gonna it's not
Speaker 4: going to serve you, and it's not going to serve
Speaker 4: the character, and it's not going to serve the show.
Speaker 1: So well, what I think you and other super creative
Speaker 1: people like you who work in your field do better
Speaker 1: than anyone else is like you're talking about, you got
Speaker 1: a piece of input, let's say the acid wash genes,
Speaker 1: and it's like getting a zip file. And instead of
Speaker 1: just like for any of us who were given acid
Speaker 1: wash genes, you'd be like, he asked for acid wash genes, let's.
Speaker 3: Go get it.
Speaker 1: But instead what you do is you go, hmm, I
Speaker 1: got a condensed little piece of input. I'm now going
Speaker 1: to extrapolate and say, you are trying to get the
Speaker 1: feeling of this, and instead of doing it in this
Speaker 1: acid washed genes way, let's do it in this really cool,
Speaker 1: more interesting way. And you come up with what that cool,
Speaker 1: interesting way is and present it and suddenly everyone's like, yes,
Speaker 1: this is it. And yet I could have never picked it.
Speaker 1: I would have never known, but you've figured it out phychology.
Speaker 4: Also the other part of that is it's, you know,
Speaker 4: when we get dressed every day us as regular people,
Speaker 4: I don't really think about, oh the backdrop. I mean,
Speaker 4: okay on camera person, so right the second, yeah, I thought, okay,
Speaker 4: black is good. I mean, I'm not gonna lie in
Speaker 4: your shoes for half a second. I think there's so
Speaker 4: many moving parts that I don't think Danielle I would
Speaker 4: ever put you in that color shirt or jacket because
Speaker 4: of what your backdrop is or you know, we take
Speaker 4: into consideration the color, the couch that you're sitting, other
Speaker 4: people you're interacting with, you know, and that's really important,
Speaker 4: and you know, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't work.
Speaker 4: But you know, getting dressed, I don't think Oh, well,
Speaker 4: what's you know, what is so and so gonna wear today?
Speaker 4: Because I'm having lunch with her and so we look
Speaker 4: good sitting together, like I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, So then that leads to a really important question,
Speaker 2: how did you learn this? Like how did you get
Speaker 2: into this? And how did you discover that this is
Speaker 2: a skill you have or that you could develop.
Speaker 4: I didn't go to school for it. I I don't
Speaker 4: know me, you know. I just think it's just a
Speaker 4: gift that I have and I don't need to be
Speaker 4: weird about it, but I just I really don't know.
Speaker 4: When I was growing up, and I always the odd
Speaker 4: thing is, when I was a little girl, I always thought,
Speaker 4: like when you think, what do you want to do
Speaker 4: when you grow up? I always thought, I want to
Speaker 4: design album covers And you're going to know who I am,
Speaker 4: but they'll know who the musician is. You know, they'll
Speaker 4: know the artist, but they won't know me. But my
Speaker 4: work will be the album cover that they buy.
Speaker 6: That's so cool.
Speaker 4: That's kind of what I ended up doing, right Nick,
Speaker 4: That is what I do because people know the show
Speaker 4: or the movie whatever, but they don't necessarily know me.
Speaker 4: So and I grew up a privilege in Beverly Hills,
Speaker 4: and I went to college in Vermont, but I had
Speaker 4: no idea what I wanted to do. I went to
Speaker 4: Bennington College as a dance maker, had two bad knees.
Speaker 4: And then I went to art major, but I didn't
Speaker 4: want to be a starving artist. And then I went
Speaker 4: to early childhood development, but I don't really like kids
Speaker 4: all that much out alcoholism and I'm like, well, this
Speaker 4: isn't a good path, so let's move on from that.
Speaker 4: And I went to secretarial school so I could get
Speaker 4: a job in any business, in any industry, to figure
Speaker 4: out what I wanted to do. And in New York,
Speaker 4: and I moved back to California. My dad was ill,
Speaker 4: and I moved back to California, and when he died,
Speaker 4: like we had a friend that was an executive producer
Speaker 4: and his daughter was a costume designer, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I called, I'm like, how do I go about getting
Speaker 4: a job? And she had movie called Hamburger the motion
Speaker 4: picture with.
Speaker 5: Dick College Yeah that you know this will of course
Speaker 5: I know it, Oh my god, of course not many
Speaker 5: did kiss movies, so.
Speaker 6: I got it.
Speaker 4: Was the greatest guy, Like everybody was so afraid of him,
Speaker 4: but I wasn't. I was a great guy. And I
Speaker 4: she hired me for ten days as a wardrobe assistant.
Speaker 4: I mad two hundred and fifty dollars a week. I
Speaker 4: worked by nineteen hours a day, like and I finally
Speaker 4: like exhaled, like I was like, this is where I belong.
Speaker 4: And I just from that point on, I started there,
Speaker 4: and I worked my way up, and I did soul
Speaker 4: Man and then a really bad movie called Night of
Speaker 4: the Creeps, and you know, and and then I less
Speaker 4: than zero. I was the costume on and I got
Speaker 4: in the that got organized and I got in the
Speaker 4: union then and then I got offered When Peaks as
Speaker 4: a supervisor. And the designer who did the pilot. I
Speaker 4: was on an a Suzuo Trooper commercial at the Pasadena
Speaker 4: Courthouse or something, and I beeper. I had a pager
Speaker 4: and called her from the pay phone in the arches
Speaker 4: that they're and she's like, I decided not to do it,
Speaker 4: and I told them that you should design it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, okay game.
Speaker 4: And you know that was my first design job with Lynch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, truly itics you play.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the look of Twin Peaks is famous I mean
Speaker 6: it's famous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. It's it's I mean they still have
Speaker 4: all these you know, conventions. Yeah, you know, it's a
Speaker 4: big deal. But yeah, so that was And I again,
Speaker 4: so how to I learn it? Or I don't know?
Speaker 4: I I it just is something that I I just
Speaker 4: kind of am good at. And I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: and I mean like in any of us, I'm sure
Speaker 4: you guys can look at and you joke about, you know,
Speaker 4: jacketing or jack ing, you know. I mean they're all
Speaker 4: things that we're proud of and not you know, like
Speaker 4: I made a better choice there, you know. But I
Speaker 4: mean it's yeah, I've been doing it a pretty long time.
Speaker 1: What do you remember about then coming to Boy Meets World?
Speaker 1: And were we the first children you had ever styled?
Speaker 4: I did Life goes On? I went to rehab after
Speaker 4: twin Peaks. Okay, I'm sober thirty two years Yeah, pretty amazing,
Speaker 4: so cool, and yeah that wrap party could have been
Speaker 4: a Betty Ford for all of us. And I did
Speaker 4: Life goes On as the first job I got when
Speaker 4: I got out of rehab. I was thirty five days
Speaker 4: sober and there were kids, you know in that that
Speaker 4: was quirky and yeah, Becca, and you know that was
Speaker 4: a family as well, with Patty Lapone and Bill Smithrovich
Speaker 4: as the parents. And and then I think after that
Speaker 4: I came to you guys. So I mean in terms
Speaker 4: of designing, I mean there were some kids in Twin Peaks.
Speaker 4: I mean they weren't you know, they were in high
Speaker 4: school in Twin Peaks, so not they weren't as young
Speaker 4: as you. They were a little bit older than you guys.
Speaker 4: But I think Twin Peaks reminded me how much I
Speaker 4: love vintage clothing, you know. And and even in when
Speaker 4: we did Big Bang Theory, you know, several years ago.
Speaker 4: I mean at the early stages of Big Bang. Although
Speaker 4: Mary quickly was the cost is or was the costume designer,
Speaker 4: she's still you know what, I don't know the word.
Speaker 4: We brought in a lot of vintage clothing for Cuther
Speaker 4: Polly and for wollawo you know, as the seasons went on, Uh,
Speaker 4: Cuther poly didn't evolve that much, but Wollawoitz did and
Speaker 4: we got rid of some of that stuff. But I
Speaker 4: just love it. I think it's real life, especially families
Speaker 4: that can't afford, you know, to to go to North
Speaker 4: Strum's or Bloomingdale's or Macy's or whatever, Dillard's, whatever it is.
Speaker 4: I think they go to second goodwill and second hand stores,
Speaker 4: and I think that is part of creating real characters. Yes,
Speaker 4: you know that that makes it feel more real to me.
Speaker 4: I mean, I also don't want to do a show
Speaker 4: we all shot listen, we're here. I don't want to
Speaker 4: put you in the same thing. Every show is shopping
Speaker 4: at the Gap and Macy's and this and this and that.
Speaker 2: So it comes generic, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: And so using vintage clothing and mixing it in you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: Henley is a Henley, which you guys. You know, there's
Speaker 4: certain pieces that adnom jet whatever that everybody. That's universal
Speaker 4: language for anybody. But I think adding vintage pieces is
Speaker 4: something that I know, nobody else is going to be
Speaker 4: wearing that. You know, nobody else is wearing those vests
Speaker 4: that John wore, you know. And I don't know that
Speaker 4: people were putting things together like Topanga did. Although I
Speaker 4: think that was a real girl, you know, I think layers,
Speaker 4: and I think she had an artistic flare to her
Speaker 4: and you know, a toughness but a softness and it
Speaker 4: was just about trying to show that in a way
Speaker 4: that you know, didn't look at a place. I mean,
Speaker 4: and when I did General Hospital, same thing. I brought
Speaker 4: in a lot of vintage clothing. When I there was
Speaker 4: a character Brooklyn. Brooklyn. She's changed a lot now she's
Speaker 4: still not that same actress. But you know, it's just
Speaker 4: kind of in some way, I guess my signature, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I credit you with my love for vintage clothing,
Speaker 1: which has continued on. I'm not I wish I was
Speaker 1: better at it because I remember going shopping with you.
Speaker 1: We went to put We went, you took me to
Speaker 1: Polka Dots and moonbeams, yeah, and we went and looked
Speaker 1: at things and there were things you were pulling that
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's not going to look good
Speaker 1: on me. Oh that's going to be ridiculous, or that's
Speaker 1: not going to work. And then I'd put them on
Speaker 1: and be like and you'd say, yeah, well we're not
Speaker 1: going to close it like that, We're gonna keep it open.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a belt on you being like, whoa, look,
Speaker 1: how cool that is? And I'm not good at that part.
Speaker 1: I go into a vintage clothing store and I, oh, man,
Speaker 1: that's cool. That's awesome. That's cool. And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm doing, but like I would I
Speaker 1: would pay a million dollars if I had a million dollars,
Speaker 1: I would pay a.
Speaker 3: Million dollars to go vintage clothing shopping with you.
Speaker 4: Just happy I don't have to pay anything.
Speaker 3: It would be I mean, it was just so fun
Speaker 3: and I remember.
Speaker 1: I mean specifically, I'd love to jump into some of
Speaker 1: the specifics if you're okay with it. Well, before I
Speaker 1: jump into the specifics, I would like to know what
Speaker 1: were some of your influences in season two? Like we were,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like ninety four ninety five, we've picked
Speaker 1: up on a little bit of like a swinger's vibe.
Speaker 1: What what were some of your like what in what
Speaker 1: it was inspiring you, what was influencing you at that time.
Speaker 4: To be honest, it's so long ago. I really, you know,
Speaker 4: those kinds of things, I don't really remember, you know.
Speaker 4: And I I mean, I'm sure I had vision boards
Speaker 4: because I still do them now. You know, I always
Speaker 4: put together because that's how I you know, through magazines
Speaker 4: and things like that. But I really, honestly don't remember
Speaker 4: I just knew that I wanted to give it how
Speaker 4: you looked. That's that was my main impetus.
Speaker 5: Yeah, with Daniel talking about about not being able to like, oh,
Speaker 5: I don't know how to put this piece with this
Speaker 5: piece of stuff, then there were people like me where
Speaker 5: you would literally write on my stuff, put on brown shoes,
Speaker 5: put on black socks, pull them up, put on pants, tuck.
Speaker 1: In shirt, and it wasn't clear you have to put
Speaker 1: your socks on first.
Speaker 5: It was I mean it was seriously, it was like
Speaker 5: put on belt, put to second hole in belt, like
Speaker 5: there are some people where it was I was paint
Speaker 5: by numbers because I just didn't I don't.
Speaker 6: Know clothes at all. And I think by the third
Speaker 6: day you were like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: That's what we're there for. I mean it's like a
Speaker 4: service business, you know what I mean, Like we're that's
Speaker 4: my job. That's I take pleasure and pride in that.
Speaker 4: And I you know, it's never meant in a you know,
Speaker 4: if you don't know, you don't know like saying or
Speaker 4: you're saying like you know, it's just about being helpful,
Speaker 4: you know, and and uh strange, Yeah, Well, because again
Speaker 4: we each have a job your job is to know
Speaker 4: your lines and know your mark and where you're supposed
Speaker 4: to stand. In my job, you shouldn't have to worry about.
Speaker 4: And if something's too fussy, then it's just not good
Speaker 4: and right and again, every now and then there's things
Speaker 4: that are important for whatever reason the story or you know,
Speaker 4: something that's coming up that you might not know as
Speaker 4: an actor. So you know, this would happen a lot
Speaker 4: of times on General Hospital because we were three weeks.
Speaker 4: I was three weeks, I had a pulling and so
Speaker 4: some actors saying, oh, do I really have to wear
Speaker 4: the tie? And I go, oh, no, it's okay. And
Speaker 4: then Alex my like, you know, right, arm right, or
Speaker 4: I would go, no, you do because you you know,
Speaker 4: you tie somebody up with your tie a week from
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, there's certain things that they
Speaker 4: might not have known that we had the privilege of knowing,
Speaker 4: you know, down the road. So but you know, to
Speaker 4: help somebody again, I still to this day think it's
Speaker 4: really important. Your job is to know your lines and
Speaker 4: not worry about do I hang the jacket here or
Speaker 4: do it? You know?
Speaker 6: I mean, you got It's funny.
Speaker 5: You must have known us well though, because to this day,
Speaker 5: I would say I still essentially dressed the way you
Speaker 5: dressed me. So it's like button a button down that's
Speaker 5: kind of open with something underneath it a pair of
Speaker 5: pants or a sweater. I mean, it's like it's kind
Speaker 5: of like I'm still Sarah mark witzing it. So it
Speaker 5: was just like.
Speaker 4: There's not a lot for men, you know, I mean
Speaker 4: it's pretty basic. I mean, you know, it's the challenge
Speaker 4: on any show, you know, the women, there's a lot
Speaker 4: more that one can do, you know, women, And how
Speaker 4: do you, you know, make a guy, especially at season
Speaker 4: out for season after season. Okay, so you're the T
Speaker 4: shirt guy like on this United States of Al, you
Speaker 4: know Parker. I mean he was great in a T shirt.
Speaker 4: He was sexy, he looked you know. I mean it
Speaker 4: just like you become a T shirt guy. But like
Speaker 4: at some point you've got to take you have to
Speaker 4: You're not so vapid there. You're more dimensional than just
Speaker 4: the T shirt guy, you know. Like so with you know,
Speaker 4: it's trying to find out but the truth of the
Speaker 4: matter is in real life, which I mean we're trying
Speaker 4: to make believe real life, some people are just like
Speaker 4: you say the T shirt guy or the sweater guy,
Speaker 4: and there's nothing wrong with that, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: I think that's real life. And really that's the biggest
Speaker 4: compliment of all because if we can create characters that
Speaker 4: people can see themselves in. You know, certain shows like
Speaker 4: I have friends that say, oh, it's heightened reality. I don't. Yes,
Speaker 4: when I did General Hospital, I agree a show like
Speaker 4: that is heightened reality. And people want to suspend their
Speaker 4: regular life and want to aspire to be X Y
Speaker 4: and Z. But in shows like Boy Me Thrilled, the
Speaker 4: main body of my work, there are people that we
Speaker 4: want to see ourselves and people that that's what makes
Speaker 4: me want to watch a show. If I'm distracted by
Speaker 4: it's not Dynasty, you know, it's like they're real people
Speaker 4: with real problems and real families and real issues like
Speaker 4: we all have in our life. So to me, that's
Speaker 4: the mark of I've done my job well if you know,
Speaker 4: with a little flair, you know, and people want to
Speaker 4: be aspirational, and people want to look at the panger.
Speaker 4: People want to look at various characters or Sewan and go, oh,
Speaker 4: I could I could rock up more cool, I could
Speaker 4: show over this, or I could throw a leather jacket on,
Speaker 4: or I could wear as a belt, or I don't know.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the leather jack. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I know, so you guys did a clip of it recently.
Speaker 4: I honestly don't.
Speaker 2: You don't remember the brand at all? Do you remember
Speaker 2: the brand was a vintage?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I honestly do not. And to be quite candid,
Speaker 4: I mean I remember that mister Turner had a leather jacket,
Speaker 4: but I don't. I have no real recollection of any
Speaker 4: special I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't
Speaker 4: know if I mean, I guess what I would guess,
Speaker 4: but this is totally a guess and could not be true.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was something that that you
Speaker 4: had from a lot, like if it was your dad's
Speaker 4: or your grandfather's or your you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And it was.
Speaker 5: Also, didn't buy the leather jacket because I had it
Speaker 5: on in first season? Yeah you did so, Yeah, I
Speaker 5: remember it was mine in first season.
Speaker 2: So it was there from Will to Harley to me,
Speaker 2: went from Will to Me to Harley backtized to you.
Speaker 1: And we can spot the episode when Rider gets it.
Speaker 1: He gets it in that band on the Run episode,
Speaker 1: which I think we have another we have a picture
Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about today.
Speaker 4: So anybody remember this because I pulled this out from
Speaker 4: my portfolio?
Speaker 3: What is that? Oh my god, you were fifties.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's the fifties episode.
Speaker 4: And then look at this one.
Speaker 3: Yeses so.
Speaker 4: And then when I had addressed the pig as a
Speaker 4: song that was from I can't believe it.
Speaker 3: That was from Baby Gape.
Speaker 4: The clothes for the pig were from Baby Cap. Pig
Speaker 4: made it into my portfolio.
Speaker 6: Hysterical.
Speaker 1: So we love the story actually because it kind of
Speaker 1: makes sense, even just storyline Boy meets World storyline wise,
Speaker 1: that Eric had been wearing the leather jacket. And then
Speaker 1: in the Band on the Run episode, Corey and Sean
Speaker 1: are upstairs. We don't see them, but we assume they're
Speaker 1: getting ready, and they come running down the stairs ready
Speaker 1: to go have their performance, and that's the first time
Speaker 1: we see writer a ka Sean wearing the jacket. And
Speaker 1: we had always wondered, like, how did it all of
Speaker 1: a sudden become writers? How did it become writers? And
Speaker 1: we talked about the fact that it makes sense storyline
Speaker 1: wise that they were getting ready for this performance, and
Speaker 1: Eric said, here, man, take my jacket wear This writer
Speaker 1: just stole it.
Speaker 3: Stole it from Eric.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I and then and then.
Speaker 2: Just catch for the night.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking it better though than Eric.
Speaker 1: You know, it definitely did it fit Will better because
Speaker 1: it was a little big on right character wise, it
Speaker 1: really fit the Sean character. Let's jump into some of
Speaker 1: the specific pictures because I I'd like to start with
Speaker 1: a tapanga outfit because I'm just so selfish. Is from
Speaker 1: season two, episode two. It's pictures one and pictures one
Speaker 1: point five. I love these, yeah, and we I wish
Speaker 1: if you go to picture I guess it's one point five.
Speaker 1: That's what it says on my sheet. Anyway, there's a
Speaker 1: full image of it so you can see the full
Speaker 1: body because it's so cool, like a.
Speaker 3: Yes, with like a with like a petty skirt under it?
Speaker 4: Is that what those are called? Yeah, petticoat crinoline or something?
Speaker 4: Hold on, yeah, you sent me? Is that this? Oh? No? Yes?
Speaker 4: But the boats? Is that the dress? Is it this
Speaker 4: one with the dress?
Speaker 1: Yes, it's that one with the dress with that little
Speaker 1: petticoat under there in the boots.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with the with the hiking with the construction boots.
Speaker 3: Thought, so like Timberland boots.
Speaker 4: Yeah, those are That's my one of my favorite looks.
Speaker 4: I think I sent that last night to Jensa. I
Speaker 4: love that.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: And so do you remember where this dress came from?
Speaker 1: One of your many vintage places?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you know it could have polka dots
Speaker 4: and moonbeam. I mean I know, I don't remember where
Speaker 4: that came.
Speaker 1: And so how did you like? Oh yes, okay, here's
Speaker 1: another to Panga one. This is ten point five?
Speaker 6: Okay, what was this is?
Speaker 4: Thinking?
Speaker 3: This is so cute?
Speaker 1: Okay, I remember feeling a little uncomfortable in this because
Speaker 1: it was so out of the realm of something anything
Speaker 1: else I had worn. But this is the the New
Speaker 1: Year's Eve episode stuck on the subway.
Speaker 6: I see the subway in the background.
Speaker 1: Now, some of these things are just things you owned, right,
Speaker 1: Like this cad do have come from your your personal collection?
Speaker 4: The collection I know. I actually I sent this last time.
Speaker 4: I was like, what was I thinking? Like, oh man, again,
Speaker 4: the the what was I thinking? It's always the story
Speaker 4: that drives it, you know what I mean? So it
Speaker 4: is hard to just randomly, you know, without seeing the
Speaker 4: episode or trying to remember what the reason was for it.
Speaker 4: But it is always story driven with something special toy
Speaker 4: like that, you know, is right, definitely story driven. But
Speaker 4: I agree, I love that. First look, I think that's
Speaker 4: a really special topanga look and I think so cute. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it really is. And but again then you've got into
Speaker 4: the vintage jackets. But there's another good topanga that you
Speaker 4: guys sent me that with the.
Speaker 3: Skirt season two, episode eight.
Speaker 4: Yes, with the skirt and the vest and the you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's Q two and kind of
Speaker 4: feels like the same.
Speaker 1: Is that the jacket with the little rhinestones, the little sparkly.
Speaker 4: Bits on it. Wow, I love that. And we had
Speaker 4: that in two colors. We had that in brown, and
Speaker 4: we had that in navy.
Speaker 1: I love that jacket and I wore it twice on
Speaker 1: the show in the second season. I wore it in
Speaker 1: the in the episode where the band on the Run episode.
Speaker 1: Because I'm wearing it in the tag, i am only
Speaker 1: wearing it for the short little tag or no, I'm
Speaker 1: actually wearing it for more than that. I wear it
Speaker 1: to the performance of the Band on the Run performance,
Speaker 1: and then I'm wearing it again at another time and
Speaker 1: I and I know in that one, I'm wearing it
Speaker 1: with like a super high pone and tons of curls.
Speaker 1: It may have been even season three then, but.
Speaker 4: I lo eight. I think you guys sent that.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the jacket, yeah, super fitted.
Speaker 4: Just not too long ago when I did Big Bang Theory.
Speaker 4: I mean we were twelve seasons, and so I still
Speaker 4: had like a lot of my special pieces and collections.
Speaker 4: And when that season, when that show ended after twelve years,
Speaker 4: and I had most of my stuff like in storage
Speaker 4: at Warner Brothers because we had all these cages. So
Speaker 4: I still had many of those pieces and they're now
Speaker 4: and Warner Brothers in their rental collection. Wow. I wanted
Speaker 4: them to go to someplace special, and I didn't want
Speaker 4: to sell them. It wasn't about money or anything like that.
Speaker 4: I wanted them.
Speaker 1: But well, speaking about the the you showed us the
Speaker 1: picture from the fifties episode. I have a distinct memory
Speaker 1: of hearing that the shoes I'm wearing in that episode
Speaker 1: were like Lucial Ball's shoes.
Speaker 4: It's very possible. I don't remember, but I mean it
Speaker 4: wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 1: And they were a little too small for me, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't care.
Speaker 3: I am my feet into these and I am wearing.
Speaker 1: Lucial Balls shoes and it was so cool and I
Speaker 1: just I loved it so much. Okay, let's go to
Speaker 1: let's go to another picture. Let's go to Eric Matthews,
Speaker 1: the great Eric Matthews. This is an image you see
Speaker 1: on the internet a lot. He looks so cute in
Speaker 1: this little sweater. It was used in season two episodes eleven, fourteen,
Speaker 1: and sixteen.
Speaker 4: I know, but how embarrassing that I repeated that so
Speaker 4: for your life because we wear things, of course, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you guys sent it to.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you I think I agree that sweater
Speaker 1: for a little while.
Speaker 2: You kept it after the show.
Speaker 4: I know you asked me about stores, and I don't
Speaker 4: know why this just came to my mind, but at
Speaker 4: that time, there used to be a store that I'm
Speaker 4: all called Structure.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a lot of your sweaters might have come
Speaker 4: from Structure.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, Okay, Okay, I love it. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: you see this. This is such an Eric Matthews look.
Speaker 2: It's so cute, the definitive Eric Matthews.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the little roll top sweater and yep.
Speaker 1: Let's go to a Sean hunter. Look, this is a
Speaker 1: vest from season three, and we have talked a lot
Speaker 1: about writers vests.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the vest were discovered in season two. Like that
Speaker 2: happens by like episode three, it becomes every episode that
Speaker 2: from that then on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember like yeah, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, please please explain this look to us.
Speaker 4: I mean, again, I really like mixing, and I still do.
Speaker 4: I really like mixing pattern on pattern. I know it's
Speaker 4: a big faupa and it's kind of hard sometimes to
Speaker 4: get it right, and I certainly didn't always get it right.
Speaker 4: But to me, if it's in the right color, you know,
Speaker 4: if it's some how picks up the colors, it does work.
Speaker 1: But I mean, this is beautiful because look at the
Speaker 1: coordination the undershirt, which is probably just a generic T
Speaker 1: shirt from the app that matches so perfectly to the
Speaker 1: coral color in the vest, and then the the the
Speaker 1: button down shirt, which by the way, has my favorite
Speaker 1: type of collar. I love a wide collar like that,
Speaker 1: and then the vest picking up the yellow from that shirt.
Speaker 3: That's so good.
Speaker 1: And this is the type of thing that if I
Speaker 1: had ever put this on myself, I'd be like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be laughed out of wherever I go, people will
Speaker 1: be like, what are you doing? But that's because I
Speaker 1: assume it must be wrong if I like it. But
Speaker 1: look how I mean, that's amazing, and I think.
Speaker 4: It's I think it's like you have to also look
Speaker 4: at the big picture of it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's like, yes, if you even in regular life, you know,
Speaker 4: if we dissect and take this part in that part.
Speaker 4: But again, that's why I guess it's hard for me
Speaker 4: to describe it, because I do it on a map,
Speaker 4: you know, like I sometimes put things together and go,
Speaker 4: oh no, you know, like it sometimes it works and
Speaker 4: sometimes it doesn't work. It doesn't always work. And there
Speaker 4: were you know, in some of the pictures you guys
Speaker 4: sent me. I mean, you know, certain things are more
Speaker 4: successful than others. I mean, they just are you know,
Speaker 4: I don't you know again, like I'm sure you guys
Speaker 4: can say the same thing about acting. You know, I'm
Speaker 4: sure you know there are certain things that you know
Speaker 4: work better than others.
Speaker 2: But Sarah, when we first started, you mentioned that you
Speaker 2: had some vests made. Is that true?
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, a lot.
Speaker 4: Of the the best. Again, I would buy vintage fabric
Speaker 4: and I used to use this woman, Joe Torngren, and
Speaker 4: she she did a lot of the Drew Carey stuff.
Speaker 4: She had a studio off of Vineland, and actually when
Speaker 4: we moved to kt LA, we set up a workroom
Speaker 4: upstairs and Joe did like a lot of your guys's
Speaker 4: alterations and stuff. But she made a lot of the
Speaker 4: vests for us, and we I would buy the buttons,
Speaker 4: and I say, but and she would, we would make
Speaker 4: we would make a lot of those vests because I
Speaker 4: like had just a passion for vintage fabrick. And again
Speaker 4: it was the only way to make our show look
Speaker 4: different the other show.
Speaker 1: And it lasted. I mean, it really makes such a
Speaker 1: huge difference people, it really does. Like you, you set
Speaker 1: the tone because you then were only with us through
Speaker 1: part of season three, right, No, I was there.
Speaker 4: I was This is the not fun part of the story.
Speaker 4: I was in negotiations to come back for season four,
Speaker 4: like three days before coming back, I'd asked for more
Speaker 4: money and they like, you know, dangle the carrot of
Speaker 4: not a lot of money. And you know, it was
Speaker 4: one of those like personal growth moments or I said
Speaker 4: no and my birth and my value and it was devastating,
Speaker 4: you know, three days before I was scheduled to start
Speaker 4: after fourth of July holiday, and it was the friday
Speaker 4: before that, and so like, you know, it kind of
Speaker 4: it was a tough pill to swallow. But I was
Speaker 4: talking to a friend about it last night, and I
Speaker 4: really I remember exactly where I was sitting when I
Speaker 4: got the phone call. I remember everything about it, and
Speaker 4: I remember getting off the phone and going good for
Speaker 4: you. You know, it's really empowering to realize my value and
Speaker 4: worth because so one of the things about you guys,
Speaker 4: being minors and being in school and being you know,
Speaker 4: you had a lot of you were being pulled in
Speaker 4: a lot of different directions. So my time with you
Speaker 4: was did have been you know, between school and all
Speaker 4: of the things. And so I often would shop on
Speaker 4: the weekends, and a lot of the places I go
Speaker 4: because I was going to the Rosebult Swapmeat or you know, vintage,
Speaker 4: you know, I couldn't go on the weekends. I mean
Speaker 4: I couldn't go during the week because we had red
Speaker 4: crews and we had you know whatever, and you know
Speaker 4: Rosebult Swap meat is only on the week Sunday. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I was very proud of myself that I said no.
Speaker 4: But so I was there, I believe, for all of Okay,
Speaker 4: doing season three, and it was in negotiation because I
Speaker 4: was at Disney. I was at Disney and then we
Speaker 4: moved to k t La.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, good for you, because, like we've all had
Speaker 1: those times in our lives where we've been faced with
Speaker 1: something where we have to say, do I take it?
Speaker 1: Because I'm already here and I'm comfortable, and this is
Speaker 1: what they're offering me, and and it's very it's easier
Speaker 1: to say yes, even though I feel like they're undervaluing me.
Speaker 4: And every other show was already like you know, shows
Speaker 4: were already crewed up, so it wasn't like I mean,
Speaker 4: and they kept saying it was gonna work. And I
Speaker 4: hold no blame. You know. I think in life, things
Speaker 4: work out exactly how they're supposed to work out. And I,
Speaker 4: like I said, it was a very empowering moment for myself,
Speaker 4: you know, to to recognize my worth. I wish I
Speaker 4: to this day, you know, I could remember those moments
Speaker 4: because again, we all sometimes look the other way for
Speaker 4: all the reasons that you just mentioned of it's comfortable,
Speaker 4: it's easier, it's a guaranteed job. It's you know, stability,
Speaker 4: it's you know, life does take all kinds of twists
Speaker 4: and turns, but I have So it was hard, and
Speaker 4: it was hard to not get to say goodbye to
Speaker 4: you all and to you know, kind of let you
Speaker 4: know what had happened and that I wasn't not there
Speaker 4: because I didn't want to be there. You know, it's right,
Speaker 4: doesn't have abandonment issues, you know, you know, like a yeah,
Speaker 4: well that's what I'm saying, you know, but was inappropriate?
Speaker 4: You know? And I don't remember. I know when I
Speaker 4: got fired from General Hospital, I did reach out to
Speaker 4: some of the cast and let them know, you know,
Speaker 4: what had happened. Uh. But and I wasn't fired from
Speaker 4: Boy Mets World. I just right said no, just didn't work,
Speaker 4: I said no. So yeah, and.
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about it a lot, because there
Speaker 1: are a lot of times we think, man, why didn't
Speaker 1: It Sure would have been nice had we reached out
Speaker 1: to like Lee Norris after Lee left the show, But
Speaker 1: back then, reaching out meant do I have your landline numbers?
Speaker 4: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 6: There's no emails.
Speaker 1: There was no email, there was no cell phone, there
Speaker 1: was no send a text in.
Speaker 2: The cast phone numbers wouldn't be on any crew contact
Speaker 2: list either. You know, I don't as cast members. Did
Speaker 2: we even get crew contact lists?
Speaker 6: We didn't. I still have one, you just don't have.
Speaker 6: I found them.
Speaker 5: Yeahs so cool and Sarah, I think if memory serves
Speaker 5: because you and I hung out a little bit, I
Speaker 5: think if memory serves, you and I did talk.
Speaker 6: After you left.
Speaker 4: I feel like I did. You know, I can't exactly
Speaker 4: remember yea, yeah, I think that you're right. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, it's a again. It was. It was awesome
Speaker 4: my time there. I was excited to go back, and
Speaker 4: but it's also not you know, we have to pick
Speaker 4: and choose the moment. That's what it is the business
Speaker 4: of show. You know, it's still I'm sure we all,
Speaker 4: I know, I do. We all still deal with that
Speaker 4: crap today, you know, Oh yeah, it still exists. And
Speaker 4: now it's you know, things have changed in such a
Speaker 4: crazy weird you know, this is the first season I
Speaker 4: didn't have a show. In my entire career, I worked
Speaker 4: a lot. I mean, I did, you know, I helped
Speaker 4: out on movies and you know, I shopped and I
Speaker 4: go work on the voice from time to time.
Speaker 3: That's so cool and I.
Speaker 4: Love it because I'm a soldier in someone else's army.
Speaker 4: I have no responsibility and I'm just lind rolling.
Speaker 3: It's okay, I do.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about two more specific pictures, because
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World is kind of famous for it's a
Speaker 1: wide array of guest stars, and you got to dress
Speaker 1: two very famous guest stars, Mina Suvari and Britney Murphy,
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about the fact that you
Speaker 1: put them in the.
Speaker 4: Same poking pretty serious. Oh my god. I have no
Speaker 4: idea why. I didn't recognize it until you guys sent
Speaker 4: me these pictures and I'm like, and I even texted
Speaker 4: last night. I was like, whoa, I'm in the text.
Speaker 3: Yah, I was like, what was I thinking? I mean,
Speaker 3: at least I look at that, but I'm so cool.
Speaker 3: What a cool undershirt?
Speaker 4: Though I know it is, But I have no idea
Speaker 4: why I would you know if there was? I have
Speaker 4: no idea because I don't remember, you know, like story wise,
Speaker 4: who are we and what was it intentional? I mean,
Speaker 4: I really don't know. But I was appalled when I
Speaker 4: saw last week whenever it was because I mean, at
Speaker 4: least they were two different seasons, but it was the
Speaker 4: end of season two, are close to its episode sixteen,
Speaker 4: and then yeah, I really don't know, well their style.
Speaker 1: Differently, I know they are and it's just cool too
Speaker 1: because it's like obviously in the first in the Minasuvari one,
Speaker 1: she's wearing a crop sweater, and even though we got
Speaker 1: away with a lot of, you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: things because it was on primetime, we still would never
Speaker 1: have had a young girl in a crop top without
Speaker 1: something under Oh no, no, So I could see how
Speaker 1: you know, when you own that cool pink polka dot
Speaker 1: thing and it's in basically, probably for you, a rack
Speaker 1: of quote unquote basics.
Speaker 6: Yeah, then if.
Speaker 1: You're going, okay, we love this crop green thing and
Speaker 1: you're just going through your basics, what can I put
Speaker 1: under it?
Speaker 3: What can I put under it? And you go, oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, this should be great under there.
Speaker 1: And then a similar thing if you have this cute
Speaker 1: denim vest and the big belt, which is also like
Speaker 1: to me a calling card of Sarah Markowitz.
Speaker 3: You love a great thick, cool belt.
Speaker 4: Chunky.
Speaker 6: I think they'd say Dani chunky.
Speaker 1: Chunky belt, chunky belt to accentuate the waste. Uh is
Speaker 1: just awesome. And then another thing, another guest star outfit
Speaker 1: I could not not mention is Danielle Harris. You had
Speaker 1: daniel Harris who was in the Sister Teresa episode. We
Speaker 1: laughed so hard when we saw it.
Speaker 3: She has a.
Speaker 1: Skirt on that has the sex pistols front and it
Speaker 1: says sex kitten, a sex.
Speaker 2: Kitten, like a full on under.
Speaker 6: A boost.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and look at that leather jacket.
Speaker 6: No, I'm sorry, she's not a sophomore. She's supposed to
Speaker 6: be in like the eighth grade, isn't she.
Speaker 4: Cory little flat? Look at her?
Speaker 6: Look at her.
Speaker 3: I just absolutely love it.
Speaker 4: I I mean some of my favorites actually regarding guest stars,
Speaker 4: like I like, what was it Ethan Suppley and like
Speaker 4: I loved those two. I thought they were a great
Speaker 4: addition to the show. And I love the characters, and
Speaker 4: you know, I do have memories of them. I worked
Speaker 4: with Ethan another time after that. He was in I
Speaker 4: did a movie called A Year Without a Santa Claus.
Speaker 4: I think it was called The Year with Santa Claus,
Speaker 4: and he John Goodman was played Santa Claus, but Ethan
Speaker 4: was in it. Like as one of the elves and yeah,
Speaker 4: so it was great to cross paths and Betsy like
Speaker 4: I stayed friends in touch with her for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I definitely did. And she was cool like in some
Speaker 4: of my other picture. I know you have pictures that
Speaker 4: you're showing me, but I pulled out my portfolio and
Speaker 4: there were some pictures. Oh yeah, this is what we
Speaker 4: didn't like.
Speaker 2: The look we got away from from.
Speaker 6: You know what's funny is I think those were my clothes.
Speaker 1: Well, look at you three boys there there we go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the bowling shirts. Oh my gosh, I'll get that photo
Speaker 1: shoot with us on the motorcycle. Remember the motorcycle, A
Speaker 1: leather jackets, those yellow boots. I have had dreams about
Speaker 1: those yellow boots.
Speaker 4: Oh the cowboy boots.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, where do you find cowboy boots? I want
Speaker 3: I want to x cowboy boots.
Speaker 4: I mean the you know, there's a cool I don't
Speaker 4: know if it's still there. I mean at the swap
Speaker 4: meet first. Okay, you were you say seven? You?
Speaker 1: Yes, you were seven six and a half because my
Speaker 1: feet shrunk after children.
Speaker 6: But yes, remember remember, I'll have to look.
Speaker 4: I might have the yellow maybe not those, Yeah, but
Speaker 4: I I was a big cowboy boot girl.
Speaker 1: I remember, I have a fantastic picture. I'm going to
Speaker 1: find it. I have a fantastic picture of you and
Speaker 1: I and you were wearing.
Speaker 4: But you all signed it.
Speaker 3: I know, look how and I loved that outfit too,
Speaker 3: that that little skirt.
Speaker 4: Can you show it?
Speaker 6: Can you show me again? Show it one more time?
Speaker 3: My little upside down.
Speaker 6: I don't think, Oh, there it is. I was like,
Speaker 6: I don't think I signed it. There it is. There
Speaker 6: we go, gotcha.
Speaker 4: I don't know if this was funny.
Speaker 3: And the shrouds we was that? Was that the sign
Speaker 3: on your door?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, costume goddess. I remember that.
Speaker 4: Yes, my business card still says costume goddess.
Speaker 6: Are you still in the most colorful house on the block?
Speaker 4: It's not purple? I I know I saw that house.
Speaker 4: I'm a happy renter.
Speaker 6: I remember you and I were in It was either
Speaker 6: my car your car.
Speaker 5: We had lunch or something, and you drove me by
Speaker 5: your old house and you're like, three guesses which house
Speaker 5: is mine?
Speaker 6: Gray? White, gray, right, bright purple? Like was like, I'm
Speaker 6: guessing that one.
Speaker 4: You're like, uh huh, I love that house. That was
Speaker 4: That's so funny.
Speaker 1: We had a limited, relatively short amount of time with you,
Speaker 1: and yet, to be honest, and this is not a
Speaker 1: diss to anybody who came before or after you, but
Speaker 1: we don't remember any other wardrobe people. We truly we
Speaker 1: were talking about when you left, and then we were like,
Speaker 1: and so then who came next?
Speaker 4: I remember Julie, she didn't come to I think, wasn't
Speaker 4: she after me?
Speaker 3: She was in between.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was like six or seven.
Speaker 6: I remember Julie, but and I remember Sarah, And that's
Speaker 6: kind of it.
Speaker 7: So, yeah, well then Girl Meets World, right, Yes, we
Speaker 7: did Girl Meets World, and there was a lot of
Speaker 7: There was a lot there was a contentious wardrobe situation
Speaker 7: on that show as well.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, that's Disney Channel, which would have been a
Speaker 2: different vibe. And I feel like, yeah, I mean there
Speaker 2: was a you know, what's what's interesting is like, you know,
Speaker 2: there's always this tension you also want to look cool
Speaker 2: or contemporary, and like, what I love about what you did,
Speaker 2: Sarah is that it wasn't that concerned with that, do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? It was like you and
Speaker 2: I remember thinking why is everybody dressing a little different?
Speaker 2: And then realizing that we were ahead of the curve
Speaker 2: like that that the looks that you were picking for
Speaker 2: us were becoming popular after like a year or two.
Speaker 3: To set the tone.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was incredible.
Speaker 4: I think I tried to do that on Twin Peaks
Speaker 4: as well. I mean, you know, I always joke about
Speaker 4: we were mad about plaid, like you know, became like
Speaker 4: a cool you know, it was a really big thing.
Speaker 4: And again, you never know what's gonna you know, take off,
Speaker 4: or what people are gonna adapt, or what's gonna work
Speaker 4: or not. You know, it's again I wish I could
Speaker 4: say because I went to the Fashion Institute and I
Speaker 4: learned this, or you know, I think growing up, you know,
Speaker 4: as a rich kind of snob in Beverly Hills and
Speaker 4: my mom taking me to sax or you know, special
Speaker 4: expensive stores, and I would come on, I did that
Speaker 4: Flashdan sweatshirt long before that movie, right, I was cutting
Speaker 4: off clothes and my poor you know, snobby mom.
Speaker 3: Was like mortified, why are you cutting.
Speaker 4: Wearing sweatshirts, putting the shirt sleeves as pants, you know,
Speaker 4: wearing like like you know, yeah, she was like horrified
Speaker 4: that you know, she would buy me these beautiful, expensive
Speaker 4: clothes and I would come home and cut the sleeves
Speaker 4: off her, you know, and so the sleeves on.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It just was I didn't want to look like everybody else,
Speaker 4: you know, I really growing up the way that I did,
Speaker 4: and I was very lucky. I just didn't want to
Speaker 4: be a number at Beverly High. That's why I left
Speaker 4: there and I went to Windward, which you know, you
Speaker 4: have to have money to go to and so you
Speaker 4: think going to a rich private school, there all going
Speaker 4: to be awful people like they were at Beverly High.
Speaker 4: But we were artists, we weren't. You know. It was
Speaker 4: a different upbringing than than you know, being a number.
Speaker 4: I had twelve people in my graduating class at Beverly High.
Speaker 4: I probably would have had twelve hundred people, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 6: I was a person.
Speaker 4: I wasn't a number, and same at Bennington, like I
Speaker 4: think there's only like four hundred people or six hundred
Speaker 4: people in the whole school.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It was always important for me to not stand out,
Speaker 4: but to be individual, and I think I tried to
Speaker 4: do that through my work with you know, creating characters,
Speaker 4: because we're not all cookie cutter molds of you know,
Speaker 4: and people often say they think and producers think, oh,
Speaker 4: what's the big deal? I get dressed every day. Okay,
Speaker 4: you do, but creating characters is not that, you know,
Speaker 4: and they would always.
Speaker 2: Exclus more than that.
Speaker 4: I think it's still true to this day, you know,
Speaker 4: saying oh, I have to work on the weekend, and
Speaker 4: they say no, but the art department, you know, they
Speaker 4: change the script on a Friday night, right, you know,
Speaker 4: they add a new set, and so they'll approve the
Speaker 4: art department to work on the weekend because they don't
Speaker 4: add a room on their houses over the weekend. Right,
Speaker 4: get dressed every day, so there isn't you know. They like, well,
Speaker 4: what's the big deal? You just go into the closet,
Speaker 4: And on some levels they're right, it's not a big deal.
Speaker 4: But it depending on the script or what it might be,
Speaker 4: you just don't know.
Speaker 6: You know, it takes time. I mean, it takes time.
Speaker 6: It takes talent.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and I don't know about about you guys,
Speaker 4: but I don't alter my clothes like fifty pins to pin.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, but it's like the cobbler shoes,
Speaker 4: So you know, do all do you know your clothes
Speaker 4: are altered? And you know, or they're there, they don't
Speaker 4: want I don't want them to look brand news, so
Speaker 4: they're washed so they're soft, or they're overdyed so they're
Speaker 4: not bright white because the photography doesn't want to shoot
Speaker 4: something that's white. So you have to I mean, you
Speaker 4: don't just go to the gap or any store and
Speaker 4: necessarily walk out and put that shut it on what
Speaker 4: on and go straight to camera. There's there are many
Speaker 4: more steps involved in it, you know, so it is
Speaker 4: a little bit different than you know, just getting dressed.
Speaker 4: But you know, there isn't but which is good that
Speaker 4: they don't get it in some way because they don't recognize.
Speaker 4: But as you all know, as actors, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of thought that goes into it. Of course, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure for you too, how you're going to
Speaker 4: deliver the line or what your feelings are in that scene,
Speaker 4: or how you're gonna represent that person. And you know,
Speaker 4: so it's a team sport, it really is. And if
Speaker 4: any part of it doesn't work, then then I feel
Speaker 4: for me, I haven't done my job if it doesn't
Speaker 4: feel right for you guys as as actors.
Speaker 1: Well, you definitely made us feel like we were in
Speaker 1: on on the process. I mean, you've influenced all of us.
Speaker 1: Like Will said, he still feels like he's you know,
Speaker 1: all he's ever trying to do is Sarah Markowitz himself.
Speaker 1: And I really attribute my love of vintage clothing. You say, Actually,
Speaker 1: I'm going to send you a picture I have. I
Speaker 1: bought a vintage dress gosh, maybe like six months ago,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how to style it.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm going to send it to you because I think
Speaker 3: you're gonna love it.
Speaker 1: It's so it seems so you, and so I'm going
Speaker 1: to send it to you and see if you can
Speaker 1: help me style it and come up with something for it.
Speaker 3: Okay, great cowboy boots, I know cowboys, Choky Belt.
Speaker 7: I mean, I know.
Speaker 4: Dede said, hold on, I'll be right back.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that don't get them. Go get those yellow
Speaker 3: boots right now.
Speaker 1: I want to see them.
Speaker 3: What if she has the yellow boots? You guys, DEDI
Speaker 3: had the lobster and blew our minds.
Speaker 1: If she actually walks out with these yellow boots, so
Speaker 1: these must have been hers and she's also a size seven.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's how she remembered my eyes.
Speaker 1: Because she's probably going, yeah, it was easy for me
Speaker 1: to throw you into cool shoes I had. And by
Speaker 1: the way, for all of our dear listeners who are
Speaker 1: wondering what we're talking about exactly, we have all of
Speaker 1: the images we talked about today with Sarah and we
Speaker 1: will be posting all of them so you get to
Speaker 1: follow along with us and you can see exactly what
Speaker 1: we're talking about.
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't look at those hollow ones. They might Oh,
Speaker 4: I can go to the other place. But I have
Speaker 4: the pink ones.
Speaker 3: My gosh, you look at those.
Speaker 4: Because these are too small for me. But like you said,
Speaker 4: you know, when something's good, you just have to keep it.
Speaker 4: And yes, wow, it's too small for me, but they
Speaker 4: might fit you.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'll buy them from you. Whatever they are,
Speaker 3: whatever you whatever they are, I want them.
Speaker 6: I want them.
Speaker 4: Please. It's so funny because on the United States about
Speaker 4: one of my actresses, who you know, I think if
Speaker 4: you saw her clothes, you would understand, Oh that's Sarah definitely,
Speaker 4: but she is the nine. So she was wearing my boots,
Speaker 4: like a lot of my boots I would put on her.
Speaker 3: Oh that's funny.
Speaker 1: So I just said when you walked away, I said,
Speaker 1: I bet Sarah is a seven, which is how you
Speaker 1: remembered that I was a seven.
Speaker 3: So I wasn't sharing your.
Speaker 4: Shoes, I used, Well, I used to be like a
Speaker 4: seven and a half. Okay, And the true of the
Speaker 4: matter is not unlike you said about those shoes, it
Speaker 4: depends how much I like the shoe. Right then you
Speaker 4: just wear them, you know, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you wear bigger socks, you know, it's just the things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you put an insert if they're too big. You
Speaker 3: can put an insert in the shoe the socks. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: you'll find a way.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, we cannot thank you enough for spending
Speaker 1: the time with us here today.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. She was so fun. She was
Speaker 3: exactly like I.
Speaker 2: Remember her, exactly as I remember the best, so good
Speaker 2: at her job.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 2: I imagine that there are listeners out there who have,
Speaker 2: based on listening to this now want to be a
Speaker 2: costume designers, like because you know, it's one of those
Speaker 2: things you probably don't all think about, Like you know why,
Speaker 2: it's it's such a cool job. I would never wanted
Speaker 2: because I have no ability in this area. But like
Speaker 2: if you have that skill set and you enjoy shopping
Speaker 2: for clothes or finding you know, it's such a it's
Speaker 2: such an amazing way to express yourself. It's such an
Speaker 2: interesting artistic engagement. It's such a what a cool thing.
Speaker 3: I know, it is so cool, and she really set
Speaker 3: the tone.
Speaker 5: You will like I hate them all everybody, but again,
Speaker 5: like like in Danielle, our favorite movie are close to
Speaker 5: our favorite movie Defending Your Life, where every just wears
Speaker 5: the tupa. Everybody just goes and wears the same, the
Speaker 5: single one piece thing. It's orm absolutely we're all in
Speaker 5: togas or whatever, and that's it just super simple.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have I have friends who have sent
Speaker 1: their kids to private school specifically because the stress for
Speaker 1: them of figuring out what they're going to wear and
Speaker 1: it needed to be something that seems cool and the
Speaker 1: fitting in. They want to go to a place with
Speaker 1: you know, uniforms, so that they get to take that
Speaker 1: off their plate. But man, okay, so cool. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you all for joining us for this episode of Pod
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