1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast. 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: We explore some of the big money issues in the 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: world of sports. I'm Micael Long, I'm Scarlett and soccer soccer, 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: soccer soccer. He is the official Major League Soccer Ambassador, 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: longtime player now retired. To Marcus Beasley, Welcome to the 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business of Sports. I appreciate you guys have me 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: well listen, I know that you played Major League Soccer 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: for years, but you gotta have some comment on the 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: World Cup going on right now because it's you talk 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: about the time, the whole world and and and the 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: US we're kind of behind. The whole world is excited 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: watching this. Yeah, no, you're right, you're right. You know, 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: I started my career and my left back in h 14 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: that's my first the first time, my first contract to 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: play with Chicago Fire. Um. But yeah, it's a it's 16 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: a it's a income true for for any any young 17 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: soccer player that wanted to play at the highest level 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: on the sport. So the World Cups here, I just 19 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: saw the result of England against Iran uh six too. 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: So you see that there are people say there's not 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: a lot of goals in soccer. But today show that 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: there's there's eight in this game. Well, I gotta show 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: you a quick story about that is that the last 24 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: time I had the score, I was checking it out. 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: It was three now and I went and I walked 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: into the studio and I'm announcing three E mail and 27 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the producers saying nopes, five one. 28 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, I just walked in. It happened quick, 29 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: it did, It did. Yeah. England's England a good they're 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: good team. They have a lot of they're one of 31 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: the favorites to win, to win the World Cup, a 32 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: very strong, a lot of a lot of talented, world 33 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: class players on their squad. To Marcus talk a little 34 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: bit about the added pressure on the US men's national 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: team after they failed to qualify twenty team. Um, where 36 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: does that leave them in terms of their own expectations 37 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: and the public sects actations of how far they can 38 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: go this time around? I think there's a bit of 39 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: pressure on them from from fans, from the media as 40 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: well because we didn't qualifying to that eight team. We haven't. 41 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: That was the first time that had happened. So I think, uh, 42 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: these players now they they they put that on their shoulders, 43 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: and now I don't think they let they don't let 44 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: it affect them. They're very they're young, they have that, 45 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: they still have that mentality and no fear attitude where 46 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: they don't really know what to expect at times, and 47 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: that and that could be a bonus, that could be 48 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: dangerous and in the world of soccer. So I really 49 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: think that they've all came together as a group of 50 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: said like, we know what happened, we know what happened 51 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: or what didn't happen four years ago, but we're not 52 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: gonna let that affect our our World Cup. This is 53 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: our time, this is our team. We're playing for our country. 54 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: And as me as a fan now I'm one behind 55 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: the boys to to get to have a good result 56 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: and have a good tournament. And a lot of the 57 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: Ben's national team also played in Major League Soccer. I mean, 58 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: I think, if I'm not mistaking, a record number of 59 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: MLS players are going to be participating in this year's 60 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: World Cup. I wonder if you could talk to us 61 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: a little bit about MLS. I know you're very close 62 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: to it obviously. Um you know you're a part owner 63 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: in Fort Wayne FC, which is USL league to you know, 64 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about that, how how the 65 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: MLS is is transitioning, what it's growth expectations look like. Yeah, 66 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: I mean, like I said before, I was in the 67 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: MLS back in the two thousands. So MLS has grown 68 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: leaps and bouts from them and and and now uh, 69 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: and just speaking about the World Cup, the league we 70 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: have this year, we have thirty six players playing in 71 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: this World Cup, well contributed from MLS Soccer, from MLS, 72 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: from MLS. And that's phenomenal, um, from for a league 73 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: that's that's been around for for twenty six years. Um. 74 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: Now that we have a lot of young talent coming 75 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: through coming through the ranks, the league is growing. Uh. 76 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: It's such a not just on the on the field. 77 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: I think it's it goes from the from off the 78 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: field on the field. And you know, MLS is is 79 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: un to lead the way and being a league of choice, 80 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: not just for American players but for European players as well. 81 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: You want to impress people when you play trivial pursuit. 82 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: Here's your question. Name the only US player in history 83 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: to play in four FIFA World Cups. I know it's 84 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: you two thousand to two thousand and six, two thousand 85 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: and ten, two thousand and fourteen, and I think about 86 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: your experience and now you are officially the Major League 87 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: Soccer Ambassador. Tell us what's that's like. I mean, it's 88 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: easy to talk soccer when you you played it all 89 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: your life. Yeah, it's great. I'm truly, truly blessed with 90 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: the opportunity that MLF gave me to be the ambassador 91 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: for the league for during this World Cup experience. The 92 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: league has been very, very kind of me. This is 93 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: where I started my career. I signed when I was sixteen, 94 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: and I finished my career with the Houston Dynamo and 95 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. So it's it's a league where I've 96 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: seen it from twelve from twelve teams and now to UH, 97 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: which is which is now? So I mean this really 98 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: really honored to to be named the in molst ambassador. UM. 99 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: I really want to, you know, put in molests not 100 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: so much nothing on the map, but just really gives 101 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: a different side of it that MOLS is not a 102 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: league where UM people come to UH to finish their career. 103 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: You know, now since two thousand seven, we have a 104 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: great UM, a great academy system with each club has 105 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: has really taken it and I think really set the 106 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: bar in the standard of of what that means. And 107 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: it's a it's all about player development. Now you've got 108 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: guys like Western McKinney, g R RNA from the n 109 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: y f C U City Academy, UH, Tyler Adams UH 110 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: twenty three, he's are captain for this World Cup and 111 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: he started in the New York Ripples Academy. So you're 112 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: starting to see that that investment payoff from from the 113 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: league and I think that's great to see that we 114 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: have such such young talent coming from the set, coming 115 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: from lescents from our academy. Yeah, that development pipeline is critical, 116 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: along with the infrastructure as well, because nyc FC is 117 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: going to get its own stadium finally after years and 118 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: years of discussion. UM, talk a little bit about how 119 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: this sets up the US and also Canada Mexico hosting 120 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: the World Cup. The US last HOTE hosted the World Cup, 121 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: the men's World Cup that is, which is a lifetime ago. 122 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: Damie and I remember it, Michael remembers it, but you know, 123 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: most most people don't anymore. UM, how critical is it 124 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: in terms of to see just how popular soccer football 125 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: has gotten in the US versus what it was in 126 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: the nineties. Yeah, it's amazing, it really is. UM soccer 127 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: has has taken a huge step into getting this World 128 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: Cup in six. You know, our personally was a part 129 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: of the Houston Houston bid, so we were ecstatic that 130 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: the World Cup is coming to Houston in our city. 131 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: So really really excited. Uh this this is something that's 132 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: gonna be really special. I think this World Cup or 133 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: sorry World Cup that's coming in Canada, Mexico, the United States. UM, 134 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: it can be the rocket fuel for a lot of 135 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: different things, from you know, the player development, from media standpoint, 136 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: from just a just a fan standpoint. I think the 137 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: atmosphere and the environment that the that we can bring 138 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: into show what soccer is that just from the the 139 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: the fan that doesn't know much about the game, I 140 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: think we're going to add a lot a lot of 141 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: new fans six. So we're really excited to host and 142 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, but we'll worry about this one first. Just 143 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: not long ago, a few weeks back, we at US 144 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: CEO Jason Pepper Dokason right, and Scarlett mentioned good point. 145 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: You know when you're moving from division to to Division one. 146 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: Obviously you need to have a stadium or stadium plan, 147 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: but you know you also need to have and that 148 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: a tenant. You need, um, you know, an investor. I 149 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: believe an owner rather who owns at least a third 150 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: of the of the club, and that that owner needs 151 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: to be materially wealthy. I think he needs to show 152 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: something on the order of ten million in net worth. 153 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: Talk to us about the challenge for these Division two 154 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: teams that they're looking to move up to Division one. 155 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: Is it more an issue of stadium? Is it finding 156 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: that anchor tenant? I mean, what's going on with Fort 157 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: Wayne FC? What are your plans? Yeah, our plan is 158 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: is to to move up to to leave one and 159 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: we want to be a club, want to be a 160 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: total choice. We want to um you know, we want 161 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: to have a club that people want to be a 162 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: part of. You want to create and have a great 163 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: environment for our players to play in on and off 164 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: the field. Uh, it's it's a It's a place where 165 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: we will want to have development. Player development high on 166 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: our list. We know we're going to be a selling club. 167 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: That's that's not UM. I don't think that's bad to say. 168 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: I think that's a good boat us as a club, 169 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: we have to do the hard work. You have to 170 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: make sure we hire the right people, give these kids 171 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: a chance if they want to be a professional athlete, 172 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: that they have a direct pathway to be a professional athlete. 173 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: And for the Lord League, that's you know, that is 174 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: going to be huge. And I think that if not 175 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: every club is the same day, we no club really 176 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: um kinda works in the same way. But at the 177 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: same time, whenever and I say whatever and this, I'm 178 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: very optimistic whenever we do win the World Cup, it's 179 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: because of all of us. It is not because when 180 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: it is just because of all of the American soccer 181 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: family has has put together and put player development first 182 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: in their list. And I think, uh, you know from 183 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: usl in my left, you know, different entities. I think 184 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: that all of us can help in that way with 185 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: the national team as they're playing in the cutter and 186 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: there was the last second order for a major tournament sponsor, Budweiser, 187 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: you have to remove all you beer tense from around there. Now. Now, 188 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: as my father would put it, God rest his soul, 189 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: he would say, you got my mouth all water for 190 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: some beer and now all of a sudden you just 191 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: took the beer away. But your thoughts about that and 192 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: and what do you thinking? And is the sport really 193 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: too big for any sponsor the boycott? Yeah, I mean 194 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm a tequila guy myself, but I mean, look, um, 195 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: you know, beer is a part of the World Cup, 196 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: and the World Cup is beer. We all know that 197 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: anyone that's been to a World Cup that or any 198 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: sporting event, you know, from the World Series or NBA Final. 199 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 1: I mean, that is part of the culture. But that 200 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: is the culture and and and cutter, and I think 201 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: that the fans will be okay without drinking for you know, 202 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: two to two and a half hours the length of 203 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: a match. I think the biggest thing is that what 204 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: soccer brings, um, you know, to the world of into 205 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: the world bring people together. And I think if we 206 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: just focus on the game and the sport, I think 207 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: they'll be okay for a couple of that. They can't 208 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: have a beard. De Marcus Beasley, you are the man, 209 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 1: the official Major League Soccer ambassador, and you've been a 210 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: longtime player now retired, by the way, I should add 211 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: that right now you're serving as a Fox Sports digital 212 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: host and analysts, and you can help break down the 213 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: game on the field and we appreciate that. Marcus, you 214 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: are so kind. Thank you for taking time out with 215 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: us here on the Bloomberg Business of Sports. No problem, 216 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: Thank you. De Marcus. Who do you see winning? See? 217 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: I was I had to ask, I really going back 218 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: to South America. I mean I wanted them everyone's going 219 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: up to last half America. I'll be honest. I would 220 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: say I would say Brazil between Argentina Brazil, but I 221 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: think toil and their death, I would say them. Bulldog 222 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: Scarlett came on in man. This has been the Bloomberg 223 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: Business of Sports podcast. We explode the big money issues 224 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: in the world of sports that Michael part. 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