1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: That's right, but Dory, I'm hot, are rolling? Okay? Alright, Michael, Hi, 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: I have another little goody for you today. My gosh, 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: you always do such a good job with this, Lily. 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: Thank you. It is my pleasure. So do you want 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: to tell everyone what I have gotten here? So you 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: tell them what I did. So in my hand is 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: a nice cold, sugar free red Bull. This is actually 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: my preferred red Bull. There we go, so maybe team 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: or your preferred red Bull adjacent team, so we'll find 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: out true. Okay, I'm gonna crank this open. Let's see here. 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: It sounds sugar free, sounds sugar I would have been 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: able to tell that with sugar free. So today, as 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: we established with Alpine, we are we are comfortably in 14 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: the midfield at this point, we're in the middle of 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: our season. We're in the middle of the grid. That 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: does not mean, though, that these teams are boring or 17 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: that they've got nothing going on. So today's team middle 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: of the pack. I would say, Alpha Towery has got 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: real younger sibling who's got everything to prove and nothing 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: to lose energy. Well, are you a tennis fan, Lily, Yes, 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: for the sake of yes, anybody else a tennis fit. 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: Can I call this the Patrick McEnroe of the UH 23 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: Formula one? You know, John McEnroe, Grand Slam champion, super loud, boisterous, 24 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: got all the attention. Meanwhile, Patrick was pretty solid tennis 25 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: player as well. I had no idea there was a 26 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: Patrick adds color boom hit the theme from I Heart 27 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: Radio and Sports Illustrated Studios. This is choosing sides? Yes one? Wow? Okay, 28 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: so alpha towery. As we previously mentioned in our Red 29 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: Bull episode, they are the sister team to Red Bull. 30 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: The team nowadays is very very careful to call it 31 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: a sister team and no longer a junior team, so 32 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: they do not want to be seen as lesser than 33 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: at least in terms of public persona. But let's let's 34 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: back up a little bit back in the mid two thousands. 35 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: As we know, billionaires get bored, and when they do that, 36 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: they buy sports teams. So our friend Dietrich Mata, ships 37 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: founder of Red Bull, buys n F one team, names 38 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: it after Red Bull, and then, since he seemed to 39 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 1: have nothing else to do, he said to himself, what 40 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: what could I possibly want? Within a year of purchasing 41 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: this team, another one? Yes, so a year later or 42 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: within about a year, Dietrich purchases a Formula One team 43 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: called Minardi have stored on the grid. The two cars 44 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: are being pushed off the grid, so they got about 45 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: as far as the start finished line, which despite being 46 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: one of the not greatest teams on the grid, had 47 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: a humongous and very passionate fan base. He renames it 48 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: to a Rosso, which is the Italian phrase for Red Bull. Creative, 49 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: very clever. The original idea though, was that this Toro 50 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: Rosso team would be like a junior team to Red Bull. 51 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: So they were thinking, Okay, this can be a great 52 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: training ground for up and coming drivers. They can give 53 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: you know them a little bit of an area to 54 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: prove themselves. We can also kind of test people against 55 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: each other. And it's just great to have, you know, 56 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: four seats on the grid instead of two seats. So 57 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: currently with ten teams on the grid, Red Bull basically 58 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: controls the seats. It just feels to me like, if 59 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna be in Formula One, you gotta be trying 60 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: to win. It's an interesting question with them of is 61 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: there a ceiling to how well Alpha TOWR is allowed 62 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: to do exactly because what would happen if Alpha TOWERI 63 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: consistently had drivers who beat Red Bull drivers and you 64 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: can be certain if you're on Alpha Tari you're like, 65 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: let's really throw a wrench in this ship and be 66 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: better than them. Exactly. Yeah, okay, So Toro Rosso is 67 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: the name of this team until two years ago or 68 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: to see sasons ago. So it's had a lot of 69 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: really iconic drivers who got their start through Red Bulls 70 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: Junior program and then we're funneled into Toro Rosso. So 71 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: even just speaking to some of them who were on 72 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: the current grid, we've got Sebastian Battles gets its moment 73 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: in the Sun. Sebastian facts all he's a crow Prix 74 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: winner for the first time. He's the youngest ever and 75 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: that's one of the greatest things I've ever seen in 76 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: crowl Prix racing. Current world champion Max for stepping please 77 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: welcome the rookie of the Year, the flying dutch Man 78 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: Jenna Ricardo from McLaren from Perth, Australia and I'm twenty 79 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: two years old. And then also Carlos Science. I think 80 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: it's my only chance of getting to Formula one seat. 81 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: So the interesting thing is that It doesn't mean that 82 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: when these drivers were on tour a Rosso that the 83 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: team necessarily did super well. They've often been somewhere in 84 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: the midfield, right, so whether that was a little bit higher, 85 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: like a sixth versus a seventh or eighth in the 86 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: championship standings. So why did they switch it to Alpha Tarot? 87 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: What is Alfa Tower? Yeah, so two seasons ago they 88 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: made a change. They got rid of the Toro Rosso 89 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: name that had been around for about fifteen years. And 90 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: the reason is very simple. Red Bull fun Fact has 91 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: a clothing line. It is called Alpha TOWERI and they 92 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: decided to use what's basically free advertising space to rename 93 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: the team, kind of like Alpine is a Renault brand. 94 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: Reno said, let's you have a better use for the 95 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: name of this team. And also it sounds cleaner and fresher. 96 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: Alpha Towery also, you know, has a little bit of 97 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: a different flavor than Toro Rosso. I mean in America, 98 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: being an Alpha is just it's not as appreciated like 99 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: it used to be. Sure that's has nothing to do 100 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: with their clothing line. I looked at the clothing line. Yes, 101 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: I have some photos for you. So what's really funny 102 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: about Alpha Tower is they do have professional models that 103 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: model out of the clothes, but then they'll randomly put 104 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: in various Red Bull and Alpha TOWERI drivers and team 105 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: members to model the clothing. And it's kind of funny 106 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: to watch these drivers, some of whom couldn't care less about. 107 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: They probably have to do this, yeah, exactly, it's like 108 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: contractually obligated. So here, so I have I have the 109 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: current as two Red Bull drivers Alpha Towery drivers, and 110 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: then a special appearance by a certain team principle. Well 111 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: I know who the team principle is. Christian Harner looks 112 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: like he's trying to be he's doing a Zoolander face. 113 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: Zoo Lander. Now the ones that are the models, I'm 114 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: gonna say, are down below. Oh all of them are drivers. Okay, 115 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: so we've got okay, sorry, tell me who we got here. 116 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: So up in the purple in the upper left corners 117 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: pere Ghastly, who I think works at the most like 118 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: he's really trying to to like the Tyra Banks smiles 119 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: it up. You're right then below him, you have Max 120 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: for stepping Poor Max, who you know does not want 121 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: to be there. He looks like he's looking for the exit. Exactly. Yeah, 122 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: like he's where is the exit out of this shoot 123 00:06:55,279 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: right now? Uh? Then you have Noda never quite know 124 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: what to do with Yuki because he's five two and 125 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: really tiny. For a while, they kept dressing him in beige, 126 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: like fully beige outfits, which doesn't look good on pretty 127 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: much anyone. To begin with. What is his nationality? He 128 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: is Japanese Japanese. It does seem like they don't know 129 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: what to do with him. Yes, and then his hair 130 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: cut is kind of flat, it's weird. I don't mind 131 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: the clothes, you know, clean. I think the lines they're 132 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: so expensive like these are it's unicloe but like three more? Yeah, 133 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: and what's fashion anyways? What's what's a three shirt a 134 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: fifty dollar shirt? I don't know. I think it's just 135 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: also like I don't know anyone who necessarily would be 136 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: like a, I need new clothing and I have seven 137 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: hundred dollars to spend, let me go to the Red 138 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: Bull fashion collection. It's similar to how Ferrari has an 139 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: atrociously ugly fashion slection. Again, this is my opinion. Now, okay, 140 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: al right, guys, I just wanted to remind you quickly 141 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: that this is an f one podcast whatever. Yeah, suck 142 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: my balls mate, slowly turning into part in the interruption. Yeah. 143 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: So so basically they in the early twenties switch over 144 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: to Alpha Towery and with this, yeah, they really start 145 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: to hammer home this whole idea of this is a 146 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: sister team. It's a separate entity. It's factories in Italy. 147 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, So anyway back to a little bit of 148 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: their history. So when they were still tour rosso yeah, 149 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: they were, but until probably there were a bunch of 150 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: different like reliability issues at times. They had some really 151 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: rough years where you had drivers, you know, having to 152 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: retire the car in two thirds of races in some cases, Yeah, 153 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: due to issues with with the car and not with 154 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: necessarily the driver all the time. However, then it wasn't 155 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: until nineteen they actually start to move up the ranks 156 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: a little bit. They ended up finishing Pie six that year. 157 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: They then had another Piece six finished last season in 158 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: one and now generally, especially because there are some teams 159 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: that have have really had some some bad times, they've 160 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: kind of moved into being a comfortable midfield team nowadays, 161 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: or at least that's kind of what they're thought of. 162 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: The Other thing that I think Alpha Towery has tried 163 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: to beef up, especially since their rebrand and how they're 164 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: trying to both distinguish themselves from Red Bull while still 165 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: not pretending that they don't have a connection to Red Bull. 166 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 1: They actually have a really really fun digital presence. They 167 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: use the drivers really effectively. For example, on top of 168 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: the fact that they obviously use them in their marketing campaigns, 169 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: Pierre and Yuki, the two drivers do wear Alpha Towery 170 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: close to the track. They also make them do a 171 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: lot of like video challenges with the Red Bull drivers 172 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: five o'clock begun to meet here in the morning, of 173 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: course not. And then they also make them do challenges, 174 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: like they had them do a chopstick challenge I think 175 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: with like coffee beans or something. What are you doing? 176 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: Get out on my room now? Okay, close the door, 177 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: Alfa Tori, I think is trying to mimic the social 178 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: media um success of McLaren that was Ashley Khalita, an 179 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: f one Twitch streamer, And they do a really good 180 00:09:54,920 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: job posting the teammates Pierre Gasoline interacting and such, and 181 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: they definitely have chemistry and they definitely care about each 182 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: other and want to succeed in Formula One and do 183 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: well both of them, and they definitely cheer each other on, 184 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: so I think they definitely bring that relatability side. Maybe 185 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: it's not as strongly pushed on social media like McLaren 186 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: does with their team, but I really think pure Ghastly 187 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: and Yuki are onto something. My initial thought would be 188 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: that Alpha Towery is going for a younger market, but 189 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: Red Bull is already pretty young and Alpha Towery clothing 190 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: is too expensive, so I don't disagree with you. In 191 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: terms of Alpha Tauri this season, things are going not great. 192 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: They have had reliability issues with the car, as have 193 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: a lot of other teams on the grid. With the 194 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: new regulations. They currently as of the summer break, which 195 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: we're in right now, there's no races coming up for 196 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 1: a few weeks. They are currently in P eight. To 197 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: again contrast that they were in Peace six last year 198 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: when they finished the championship. So obviously, for a team 199 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: like Alpha Tawari that's spent a lot of time bouncing 200 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: around the midfield, they were hoping to maybe spend this 201 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: time moving up to best of the rest of us, 202 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: or at least really get in there, and instead they 203 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: unfortunately are almost relegating themselves to rest of the rest, 204 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: or or the worst of the rest. They're not quite 205 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: there yet, luckily, but it's not what they want. It's 206 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: that looking good. It's not the best yea. So who's 207 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: in charge of Alpha? Yeah, so they have this team principle. 208 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: He's been part of the Alpha Tari tour Rosso brand 209 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: for a very long times. Frands Tossed or Toast depending 210 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: on who you ask, Uh, he's he definitely has a 211 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: bit of a personality, but he's not always the central focus, 212 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 1: like someone like Christian Horn. Right, you're telling me his 213 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: name is French Toast, Yes, keep that in, please high 214 00:11:54,559 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: promise me that you'll keep it in. Or guy French Toast, Uh, 215 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: despite the name, does not have as much of a 216 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: presence to the extent. But I think it's because Christian 217 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: Horn or Helmet Marco from Red Bull or such big 218 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: personalities that's kind of hard to compete with them. And 219 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: then you have people like Total Wolf at Mercedes who's 220 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: also a presence. So there's a lot of midfield teams 221 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: where their actual team principles or head haunchos are not 222 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: as I don't know, they don't have as much of 223 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: a kind of following just because they're they're hanging out 224 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: or chilling or or whatever. I will say one of 225 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: one of the most interesting things about friends is back 226 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: in our French if we want to call him, that is, 227 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: back in two thousand seven. Uh, there was an American 228 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: F one driver at the time with the greatest race 229 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: car driver name of all time. It was Hi, guys, 230 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: I'm Scott Speed. Scott Speed. That's a great name. It 231 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: sounds fake, right, It's Scott Speed. And Scott Speed alleged 232 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: fifteen years ago that France had assaulted him over an 233 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: incident on the track. Speed claimed in an interview that 234 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: tossed grabbed him right below the neck on his fireproof 235 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: shirt and jerked him back and forth, let go and 236 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: then pushed him into a wall. So, of course Frances 237 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: Toast completely denies this whole story. And regardless of Scott 238 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: Speeds not having a correct time in their car in 239 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: the Tora Basso car, not driving fast, and so soon 240 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: after the incident, he is fired for low performance. And 241 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: of course his whole spin on this is that, you know, 242 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: almost conspiratorial idea that he hates them, it's terrible working 243 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: with them. He never wants to work with France toast again. 244 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: So with Scott he left the sport quickly. One could 245 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: say it was a speedy exit for that was what 246 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: we need, that was what we needed. But I will 247 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: say the overall I think good thing about alf A 248 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: towery is you know there are a team that's sort 249 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: of known to help funnel in champions right because we 250 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: have a Sebastian battle, you have a max for staff. 251 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: These other other guys going further back who are are 252 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: kind of in that similar boat. So I think if 253 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: you're if you're someone who wants to root for people 254 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: who could potentially do a lot in the future, they 255 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: can be sort of a great a great pick. And 256 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: also certain people, yeah, like to root for midfield teams 257 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: and don't want to give all that credit to the 258 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: guys at the top. Yeah. So, and it takes a 259 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: while to become comfortable racing at this level. I'm sure 260 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: Red Bulls sees Alpha Tower is a way to give 261 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: championship drivers who are very young experience exactly, and also 262 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: a good time to kind of see, okay, can you 263 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: handle any form of pressure of one without necessarily which 264 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: unfortunately have Red bull has been handing over the car 265 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: too early to someone unproven in there. They're kind of 266 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: mainstable drivers. So who are the drivers. We got French 267 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: Toast as the team principal. Who's driving the cars. We 268 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: have French Fry. We see number one um and we 269 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: have scar Go in the other seat. So yeah, we're 270 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: all good. We'll get into the Alpha TOWERI drivers right 271 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: after this short break. All right, we're back from our 272 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: break and we are diving right into the two drivers 273 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: at Alfa Towery. We have Per Ghastly and then we 274 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: have Yuki Sonoda, two very different drivers. They do get 275 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: along very well. So let's start with Pierre Ghastly. As 276 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: you can probably tell from a name like Pierre, he 277 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: is French, Verry French. So Pierre comes from a family 278 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: that has been in motor sports in somewhere or another, 279 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: not f one level, but his grandfather competed in carding. 280 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:26,359 Speaker 1: His grandmother was actually a carding champion. Grandmother act feminism, 281 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: love to see it. His father dabbled in a number 282 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: of different motor sports, so we did like carding, rallying 283 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: and Durrance racing. So he's kind of jumped around. Pierre's 284 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: also the youngest he has I think four or five 285 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: half siblings who are older than him, so he's kind 286 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: of the the youngest of of the bunch. Basically, he 287 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: takes up carding, is successful, moves on to the junior formulas. 288 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: He ends up winning, so he's you know, he's well 289 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: on his way. He's also competing against drivers like Charlotte 290 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: Claire who is er Monico but obviously races a lot 291 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: in France, as well as estemont Ocon. They grew up 292 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: forty five minutes from each other growing up, They've they've 293 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: spent their their lives compete against each other just because 294 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: they're literally from the same area of France. So Pierre 295 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: makes his Formula One debut back in for Toro Rosso 296 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: what it was called then, and it ends up racing 297 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: full time for the team through He's looking good, he's 298 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: looking promising, you know, getting his his sea legs, so 299 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: to speak. He had a couple of very impressive qualifyings 300 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: in his first full season. He had a P four 301 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: and there, a piece six, a piece seven, So in 302 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: some cases he is out qualifying the machinery that he's 303 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: been given. Pierre ghastly, the young French, absolutely unbelievable. Fourth 304 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: position Now, granted, he would often lose places in the 305 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: actual race, you know, because the car just can't keep 306 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: that pace over an extended period of time. But the 307 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: fact that he everyone agreed he was way over qualifying 308 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: the car like what it should have been, which only 309 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: speaks to his talent. But as we know, for Red Bull, 310 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: this cataclysmic thing happens where Dania Ricardo surprises them by 311 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: not re signing, and as we know from that episode 312 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: as well, Dana ricardo leaving creates another sort of domino 313 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: effect of other things that end up happening, one of 314 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: which is that Red Bull didn't really have a successor 315 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: to Danna Ricardo at this point, but had also made 316 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: it very clear to everyone that Max were Stapping was 317 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: their guy, So it led to this this bizarre void 318 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: to be filled by his by his labsence. Also, Dania 319 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: Ricardo was a huge personality, as we've discussed, so they're 320 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: kind of trying to figure out what to do. This was, 321 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, several years ago, Piers in his early twenties, 322 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: so they end up saying, hey, let's let's call him up, 323 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: despite the fact that you know, he'd only competed in 324 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: his second season of the sport, and unfortunately he ends 325 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: up crashing and burning spectacularly. You've got to say, only 326 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: one side of that garage is consistently delivering. At the moment, 327 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: Pierre Ghastly qualified six cents off his teammate, Ghastly finished 328 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: p eleven. There were a lot of races where Max 329 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: was lapping him. He just got absolutely walloped by Max. 330 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: And the standings, yeah, it was. It was bad. He's 331 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: gone to unlock that part of him that we know 332 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: is capable of bringing home better results. He ends up 333 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: only completing twelve races before Red Bull yanks him from 334 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: the seat and demotes him back down to the then 335 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: Toro Rosso team. That's humiliating, Yeah, really harsh. And on 336 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: top of that, a big issue that's come up since 337 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: then in retrospect is people feel like the car was 338 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: much more tailored to Max's strengths than Pierre's. So if 339 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: you're Pierre, you're a very talented driver, you just don't 340 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: drive like Max. So if you're in a car that 341 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: is not made for it is very much made for 342 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: your your biggest competitor, you know your teammate, you're really 343 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: setting someone up to fail Max is uh, you know, 344 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: he's a rocket ship and his whatever they call the 345 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: like all the fire and all the smoke that comes 346 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: out of the back of the rocket. It's too big. 347 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: Whatever's around just gonna get sucked up into Max, you know. 348 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't want to drive under Max. So Pierre 349 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: is in this tough position. Obviously, it's devastating and humiliating 350 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: to be demoted, not just demoted in general, but halfway 351 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: through a season that's pretty pretty bad. And then to 352 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: make matters worse, he's back at Toro Rosso and his 353 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: best friend Antoine who Bear was a very promising driver 354 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: in Formula two. Antoine who Bear dies in a race 355 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: in Belgium. This is during also an F one race weekend, 356 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: so Pierre is there at the track. It's incredibly sad. 357 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: This is this is bottom. I mean, there's career abouttom 358 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: and then there's death. That's that's this is This is 359 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: a new level entangling personal and professional tragedy. In the 360 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: span of a few weeks, we lived in the same 361 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: flat full five years. We went to same school where 362 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: in the same classroom. Um, I've just known these guys 363 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: in so long. We've shared so many moments on track 364 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: and off track, especially um that yeah, honestly, I still 365 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: have believe it. He actually a really extensive personal essay 366 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 1: on the Internet and about the experience, but basically one 367 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: of the last conversations he had with Antoine was about 368 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: his emotion, and Antoine kind of told me, you'll keep going. 369 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: You're prove them wrong, like you've got this. So obviously 370 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: he's devastated that his friend has died, but also feels 371 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 1: really motivated. Interestingly, we actually talked to another driver for 372 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: this podcast, taughtinga Calderone. So she was Antoine's teammate when 373 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: this accident happened, and she said something very similar to 374 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: pire because I I sort of pose the question of well, 375 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: did did watching your teammate die make you fear racing 376 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: more or whatever? And her and here actually very similar 377 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: in terms of saying For me, it opened as well 378 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: in my mind, I respect what I do much more now, Um, 379 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not afraid of it. I think you 380 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: know that I was maybe not enjoying it as as 381 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: much as I should because because of the pressure that 382 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: I was putting myself. That reminded me that what the 383 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: most important thing is if unfortunately I and up dying 384 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: in an accident or whatever. I know that I'm doing 385 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: what I love most. You you have to be able 386 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: to to do what you love most to be happy, 387 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: and we'll see how much we we get to stay 388 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: in this world doing that. That's a beautiful delusional mind 389 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: that you need to be a world class driver. Driver. Yeah, 390 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: oh yeah, big time. So anyway, after this happens, he 391 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: does start to improve back at at then you know, 392 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: at Torboso Afatari uh and eventually actually in it's really 393 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: exciting Castle is in France for the Alpha Tsari. He 394 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: ends up winning his first ever Grand Prix. Is Alpha 395 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: Tari Pia Castle when is the Italian Grand Prix? Oh my, 396 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: oh my. Alpha Tari had a couple of podiums and 397 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: obviously points to their name, but this was their first win. 398 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: So this was a very big deal multiple front. It 399 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: wasn't an extra big because it was in Italy and 400 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: it was in their home Grand Prix, so it's just yeah, 401 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: it's just one of those feel good stories. Oh my god, 402 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: what did we do? Like he's like you can see him, like, 403 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, pumping his fists and he's so excited. God, guys, again, God, 404 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: that was a beautiful moment. And I don't know anything 405 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: about this sport, but when they when they show you 406 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: the driver and you get to hear the audio of 407 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: when they win, it's just it doesn't matter if you 408 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: know anything or not. It's beautiful. Yeah, it's awesome for me. 409 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: The driver that gives me the most excitement is somebody 410 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: like a Pier Ghastly. You're hearing from Magnus Grieves, co 411 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: founder and publisher of Race Weekend. He always has the 412 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: potential to do better than anybody anticipates that he's going 413 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: to do given the car that he's in, and and 414 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: he seems to really appreciate a great result. And also 415 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: you want to see Pierre Ghastly get another chance on 416 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: a big team. If you want to just cheer for 417 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: somebody who could win, you're limiting yourself to a pool 418 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 1: of about four or five of the twenty drivers. You 419 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: need to understand the story of that person. You need 420 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: to understand where they're coming from, where they're trying to 421 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: get to because you need to be able to cheer 422 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: for somebody when they finished fifth and get as much 423 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: joy as somebody else finishing first. So Pierre, nice guy. 424 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: Everyone likes some that can't be the whole story, Lily. 425 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: He must he must have some controversy, He must have 426 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: some some dark secrets. The biggest problem with Pierre and 427 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: his career, so he's reached twenty six. It's basically middle 428 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: aged in the sport of f one, which is sad 429 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: to say and making me feel very old. Yeah. Uh, 430 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: And the problem he has is this, So obviously he 431 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: got promoted to the Red Bull seat, he tanked in 432 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: the Red Bull seat. Hellman Marco, the very brash advisor 433 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: and and kind of you know, person in charge of 434 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: all the driver development, has made it clear that Pierre 435 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: is most likely never going to get back in that seat. 436 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: So if you're Pierre, you're asking yourself, Okay, I'm stuck 437 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: on this sister team that's kind of the junior team 438 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: that basically has a ceiling to how well they're gonna do. 439 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: But I've also been a Red Bull driver my entire career. 440 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: Where can I go from here? So that's I think 441 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: what he's dealing with right now. And there's been a 442 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: lot of questions and speculation because yeah, he is kind 443 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: of stuck. If Pierre has self belief, which I think 444 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: he does, someone's going to pick him up. Also, funk 445 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: that guy who says he's never going to get in 446 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: a red Bull seat again. If he keeps winning races 447 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: at Alpha Torre, maybe he'll say, I don't want your 448 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: dumb red Bull seat. I want my Alpha Tori seat, 449 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: thank you very much, I will say to the team 450 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: loves Pierre like they are like one happy family with Pierre. 451 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: He loves the guys like everyone on the team, you know. 452 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: So it's like it's gonna be pain well when he 453 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: has to part with them. But hope, I think the 454 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: hope why a lot of people is that he ends 455 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: up somewhere better or where there's actually a career trajectory 456 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: that isn't just in a holding pattern, you know, perpetually 457 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: holding pattern, you know, perpetually perpetually holding pattern, perpetually perpetually. 458 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: So who's the who's this other driver? Other driver? We've 459 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: got Yuki Sonoda who two sophomore season. This guy is 460 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: not a tall man. He is barely not a boy, 461 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: and he is not tall. I don't want to sound 462 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: like short was a derogatory term, because it's not. But 463 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: he isn't tall even by F one standards. He is short. 464 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: So just to recap here, most drivers are between five 465 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: seven to five ten, usually five eight, five nine, maybe 466 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: uh in the tallest drivers or there's a couple who 467 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: are six ft six ft one, but they're very skinny 468 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: and kind of lanky. Allah Estabato con or a George Russell. 469 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: On the other end of the spectrum, I think the 470 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: next shortest drivers like five six, and then you've got 471 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: Yuki at five two, and he's so short to the 472 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: point where they actually had to like re engineer the 473 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: cars that his feet could could actually touch the pedals 474 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: because they basically, yeah, I'm excited to hear about this 475 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: guy because we haven't had a lot of non white 476 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: European men who drive a race car. Yes, and it's 477 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: been a little bit since they've had a Japanese driver 478 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: in particular, and I will say that there's a huge 479 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: Japanese fan base. For one, his assent to Formula one 480 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: has been very quick, which means he's been pretty good. 481 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: Ashley Khalita Again, so from I believe Japanese F four 482 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: to Formula one, I think it just took him over 483 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: three years. And when he arrived in twenty nine and 484 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: started racing around Europe. He had no knowledge of the 485 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: circuits which track information is everything. To the fact he's 486 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: been doing so well in the minimal amount of experience 487 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: quote unquote, he has comparatively to the other drivers on 488 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: the field with him, he had has placed very impressively 489 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: in my opinion, in addition to being a very talented 490 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: member of the Red Bull Young Driver Program. Something else 491 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: that's helpful is that at this point we've talked about 492 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: Honda before, and now Honda is the l O l 493 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: j K manufacturer and constructor of Formula One. They're in, 494 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: they're out, They're they're supplying engines, they're they're actually in 495 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,959 Speaker 1: the sport. They're out again. So as of late they 496 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: have been supplying engines to to Red Bull, and so 497 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: Honda kind of says to Red Bull, hey, we're besties. Right, 498 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: there's a Japanese driver and we're a Japanese company, and 499 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't it be great if you gave this seat to 500 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: this nice man who is from Japan. Uh And there 501 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: is there's always controversy whenever something like that happens, because 502 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: always other drivers who people wanted to see an F 503 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: one who did better than him, who then don't get 504 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: a seat and uh but yeah, so basically it does help. 505 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: You know, the stars aligned, so to speak, that Yuki 506 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: happens to be coming up through Formula two and does 507 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: well all at a time when a company like Honda 508 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: has a little bit of poll right, and it's with 509 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: the program that he's he's in, He's in Red Bull. 510 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: So so Yuki rookie season, it was a little inconsistent. 511 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: So his first race, his debut race and Formula one 512 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: he gets p nine. You need a fantastic race, fantastic 513 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: slow down, so he gets two points. It's very exciting. 514 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, that's great. Yeah, However, he just starts having 515 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of trouble. We have our first spina here. 516 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: Yuki Sonoda never been to this track before. He starts 517 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: spinning out a lot. He starts crashing quite a bit, 518 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: and some of this is expected with rookies, you know 519 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: what happens. I mean, it's impossible to go rookie season 520 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: without spinning out a couple of times or just getting 521 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: getting the feel for the car. You know, Formula one 522 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: cars aren't even the same as Formula two, right, Like 523 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: there's just such a big learning curve and make that 524 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: jump up, so that's expected to a certain extent. But 525 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: on top of everything else, yet he's kind of rude 526 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: on the radio to his race engineer during races, and 527 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: cursing a lot and and just being kind of rude. 528 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: So Yuki is definitely not the main character, which is unfortunate, 529 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: but I think but he's definitely I'm trying to think 530 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: of like relevant side characters that have taken over TV 531 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: shows and you're really like, wow, maybe they should be 532 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: the main character. And I really think that's that's Yuki 533 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: with the experience he has, and maybe he has had 534 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: a lack of consistency in one. However, he's definitely shown 535 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: plenty of moments where he can compete with the top dogs. 536 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: Is he forgive my ignorance on this? Is he speaking 537 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: English with his yes so that everyone has to speak 538 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: English when it comes to race communications? Yet I think 539 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: to keep everything standardized and yeah, you know, so they 540 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: can hear what the hell is going on exactly. Um, 541 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: And and on top of that that, yeah, he's talked 542 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: about this. He really struggled, especially in the pandemic. You know, 543 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: Japan had a lot of lockdowns and whatnot. Is very 544 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: hard to get back home, he dealt with a lot 545 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: of homesickness, and he's been away for a while from home, 546 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: and at this point, you know, he's twenty years old, 547 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: so he's been away from home for several years. Um, 548 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: you know, he he There's also he does speak English, 549 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: but there is somewhat of a language barrier. There's also 550 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: gonna be you know, barriers in terms of customs and 551 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: how different you know, the West does things versus the 552 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: East that he has to deal with. On top of 553 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: all this, he does have some issues with like discipline. 554 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: There's actually like a scene in Drive to Survive season 555 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: four when he makes his first appearance on the show, 556 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: obviously it's his first season where basically he's complaining about 557 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: having to just like run, like doing a normal training run, 558 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: and that's kind of just generally with them. He's even 559 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: joked about this how he's like, oh, I'd rather lie 560 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: down and like eat a sandwich then go exercise, which 561 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, it kind of doesn't doesn't work for certain people, 562 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: but I will send the flip side. Yuki is a 563 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: very fun and wacky personality. He wears his heart on 564 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: his sleeve and it's brutally honest with the press. Is 565 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: that more sort of expectation from from helmet and did 566 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: he uh with a helmet? I got we got this 567 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: big this afternoon a BM, and I don't think it's 568 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: gonna be fun conversation between us sometimes the teams like 569 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: you can't you can't say that out out or or 570 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: even a lot of his dynamic with Pierre. Pierre is 571 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: almost like an older brother do Yuki, And half the 572 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: time Uki will say something inappropriate, not problematic, just inappropriate 573 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: or bizarre, you know, Pierce, like you can't do that, 574 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: like you absolutely need to be quiet. They probably put 575 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: him through endless media training and he's still going to 576 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: say what he's gonna say, and never necessarily always a 577 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: rude way, but just he'll just be really really upfront 578 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: with you have a good report, Yeah, they have a 579 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: very good report. I think it does help that Pierre 580 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: is so well established on that team and he is 581 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: the number one. But in the same sense, Yuki is 582 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: a rookie, right and he just came on. So I 583 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,959 Speaker 1: think that there's not this feeling of resentment or whatnot 584 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: from from that dynamic. Quick break and we'll be back. 585 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 1: So that's that's alf a towery I would say for Pierre, 586 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think Pierre's kind of getting this. This 587 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: reputation is like the comeback kid, right, like, really was 588 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: down of the dumps, had a lot of personal and 589 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: professional tragedy at the same time, and has not only 590 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: risen above it, but totally slayed the game in the process. 591 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: Pierre I like very very much. I love anybody who 592 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: gets pushed aside for some other new young hot shot 593 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: and he has to kind of get some grit, he 594 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: has some adversity in his past, true adversity death, and 595 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: then and then we've got Yuki. You know, I'm a 596 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: little bit afraid that Formula one sees Yuki as this 597 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: odd Asian entity that we don't know what to do with. 598 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: And even some of the videos it was kind of like, 599 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: look at him trying to do the funny thing, and 600 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: some of that might just be because he's so young 601 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: and they don't know what to do with, you know, 602 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: like it almost seems like gimmicky, a little alienating, Yeah, exactly. 603 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: So my hope is that Yuki kind of keeps his 604 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: head down and doesn't doesn't let that ship bother him, 605 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: and then just wins on the racetrack. I'm not. I don't. 606 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: I haven't seen enough to say that about from the one, 607 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: but it just feels like maybe they don't really know 608 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: how to embrace who he is yet. It's easy to 609 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: see the cute face as an American and Western we 610 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: see Japanese and we kind of like don't really know 611 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: what it means, and it's like, what is this thing 612 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: over here? But at the end of the day, it's like, 613 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: if he's a bad motherfucker in the race car, that's awesome. 614 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: I mean, like I says, racing has been a little consistent. 615 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: Somebodays he's brilliant. Other days, Yeah, he's crashing into a 616 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: wall multiple times on the weekend. But I think he 617 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: does bring a very different personality and kind of a 618 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: different different style about him. And he is, Yeah, he's 619 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: so young, like he was twenty when he came in, right, 620 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: he can barely legally drink in the US. So and 621 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: when you're a rookie and they say jump, you just 622 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: have to say how high? Especially in your team when 623 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: your teammate is pere ghastly who had just come off 624 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: a win, the first win on the team's history in 625 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: this like incredibly, you know, epic fashion, Like that's your teammate. 626 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: You gotta kind of roll with it a little bit 627 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: and and play into the fact that you know he's 628 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: the guy. How are you feeling about Alpha TWI, How 629 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: do you feel like? I like Alfa a lot. I 630 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: like the colors, I like the the logo. Their car 631 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: looks fast. You know. My least favorite part of Alpha 632 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: Torre is that they're part of Red Bull. Yeah, if 633 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: you told me this was a separate team, I'd be like, 634 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: I think I'm all in on this team. It's like, 635 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: I love my friend Paul. He's funny, he has a 636 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: good sense of adventure. He always makes me laugh. His wife, 637 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like it's like Alpha Tarry. 638 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: I just wish it would become its own thing. I 639 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 1: feel like if Alpha Towery started winning, winning, winning, Red 640 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: Bull would like secretly change up their wrench box so 641 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: it has the wrong tools or something. That's just like, 642 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: that's just how I feel about it. I wouldn't put 643 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: that above Christian Horner or Helmet Marko to do themselves. 644 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,959 Speaker 1: I mean, if Yuki Sonoda is making half a million 645 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: a year and Max is making twenty five million, that 646 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: means in the organization, Max is seen as fifty times 647 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: the worth of Yuki. That's a huge difference. Yes, if 648 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: I was Yuki, I would crash my car into Max. 649 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: He's Yuki has done that with most of the growth, 650 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: but a little bit of a rookie season. I like 651 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: Alpha Tori, I like Alfa Tori. And and where where 652 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: do they act in your overall Where are they? I 653 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: would say they're top three from me? Is that interesting? 654 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: On the podiums? Yeah, Ferrari's still up there. I like Alpha. Um, 655 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: well it's Williams. Of course we haven't even talked. Was 656 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: gonna say, and we talked about Williams? No, no, no, 657 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,479 Speaker 1: we haven't. But um yeah, I don't know. For some reason, 658 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 1: they're connecting with me. Yeah, watch the rubbing of the pants. Sorry, 659 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: who's this other person's voice that I only occasionally here, 660 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: not as often as YOHI. But yeah, so that's our 661 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: sound engineer, Rob. I know you were supposed to be 662 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: the only non F one person coming into the sport. Hilariously, 663 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: Rob was just you know, assigned to deal with us 664 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: in the studio technical. Yeah, but he has become a 665 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: massive F one fan over the course of this recording. Definitely, definitely, Rob. 666 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: You've had You've had some disagreements with some of Michael's opinions, 667 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: his driver opinions. Oh god, what is it? What is 668 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: this my Twitter page? All of a sudden, I like Estevan? 669 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: Who Why do you like est? I think he hasn't 670 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: had his time yet, and I think there's an opportunity 671 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: for him to have his time, and I think it'd 672 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: be cool to see. I strongly disagree with Rob, and 673 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: I think there's a reason that he works in the 674 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: audio booth and not sitting where I'm wait, So, who 675 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: do you not like? Rob? Checko? Really? How I've said 676 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: this before, but we connect with people for certain reasons. 677 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: And the thing that I love about Checko is he's 678 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: a father of three. Now, there is nothing more selfless 679 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: and humiliating than being a parent, you know, like you're 680 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: just constantly faced with your mortality and how unimportant your 681 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: personal life is. All of that is the opposite of 682 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: what it takes to be a Formula one driver. So 683 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 1: I just find that dichotomy so fascinating. That he probably 684 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: goes home and is the fifth most important person in 685 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: his house and then he goes to the race track, 686 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: and well, even though he's behind Max, he has to 687 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: act and behave and have the ego of I am 688 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: the best driver around this course. I find that fascinating. 689 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: I have no idea who this guy is in real life. 690 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 1: He could be a total prick. I don't know. And 691 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: there there's more. Dad's on the in the race track, right. Yeah, 692 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about a very exciting one next episode. Anyways, Rob, 693 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: turn your microphone off from now on. Okay, loud and clear. 694 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 1: Uh So, next time we're going on to the third 695 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: team in the midfield with an a name Aston Martin, 696 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: which I'm sure you will have thoughts and opinions just 697 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: by you know, the association with the name Aston Martin. 698 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: Aston Martin is one of my favorite teams to talk 699 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: about in the sense that at the beginning of the 700 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: season we talked about how F one is a billionaire's playground. 701 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: I would specify that that playground is mostly Aston Martin drama. 702 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: We're going to get into a lot of weight, yeah, 703 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: a lot of billionaires who have done a lot of 704 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: not great things. We've got a terrifying looking owner of 705 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: the team. We're going to really dive into this term 706 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: of page Driver that we've kind of thrown around. So yeah, 707 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: I mean everything that I've heard about Aston Martin on 708 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: the surface is ripe for some strong opinions. Yeah, if 709 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 1: you've ever wanted to eat the rich, you want to 710 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 1: eat Aston Martin. So so it's gonna be a great, fun, 711 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: very rich time to be had. Alright, anything else you 712 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: high before we I think we can wrap all right? 713 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: Thank you? Jumping in a lot. 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