WEBVTT - Episode 21: Boyd Summerhays 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.400 The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.120 much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:05.840 hit any shot. 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:07.520 I kind of want we're gonna be able to tell 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:09.560 some fun stories about what goes on here to help 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:10.640 golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.120 Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane Bacon, 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:17.079 That's Marty Jerts, and that is Boyd Summer Hayes in 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.959 the Tour truck. Boy this is a place that back 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:21.320 in the day, maybe you came in and got your 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.959 club's tinkered with, and now obviously you work with some 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:25.800 of the best players in the world. I want to 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.120 kind of go back through your journey, both as a 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:30.560 player and now obviously a coach. But take us back 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.000 to your playing days. What was it like, how many 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.479 tours did you play on and when did you decide 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:37.800 maybe to say, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna take another path. 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.560 So golf's in my blood. My grandfather was a head 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.760 golf coach at the University of Utah. My dad Lynn, 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:47.560 my uncle Bruce Summer Hayes, who played the Champions Tour, 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.479 lifetime peing player, and then my uncle Gary were all golfers. 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.920 They were the captains at the University of Utah. So 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.000 my dad love golf. I'm one of seven siblings. My 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.440 dad had it figured out. Everybody plays golf. We got 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:04.040 two fours on Saturday in the afternoons after school, and 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:05.800 that's just what I knew growing up. It was just 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:09.720 golf and family competition, and I kind of knew at 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.200 a young age I was getting to the point where 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:13.760 I wanted to do it for a living. By the 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:15.920 time I was fourteen, I won my second Junior World. 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.039 When I won at ten, I didn't I'm just just 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.400 playing with my brothers and sisters and playing junior golf locally. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:23.960 And then once I won at fourteen, it really got 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:25.720 me thinking, hey, I may be able to do this. 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.440 And then once again at Tory Pines when I was sixteen, 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:30.920 and by then I was looking at going to Oklahoma 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.520 State with Charles how we were best buddies, and I 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:35.440 ended up doing that, went on a two year more 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:36.840 of a mission. That kind of set me back a 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:38.679 little bit. But by the time I was twenty four, 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.000 I had my tour card through Q School, and you know, 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.479 things didn't go exactly how I had planned. Had an 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:48.160 injury or two, made some rookie mistakes, changed all my equipment. 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.040 I kind of had a mixed bag. I had some pings, 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:55.720 I had a Cameron Putter, I had Cleveland Wedge Taylor 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.160 made driver at the time, and it was like, huh, 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.520 what do I do? And I signed, you know, a 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:04.720 contract with Callaway and it got to be where I 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.080 was a little bit unfamiliar with my equipment. I kind 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:11.000 of a quite rookie mistakes and sophomore mistakes, not injuries 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.960 of why I didn't succeed, But without even knowing it, 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:17.120 I was becoming a really probable for a coach. I 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:20.320 had had so many lessons from so many instructors trying 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.359 to chase miss Oh my gosh, And it got to 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.200 the point where, you know, my game kind of just 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.400 slowly deteriorated. A lot of the athleticism and a lot 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.760 of the natural skills I had. I just sit on 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.200 a range all day and hit, hit, hit, hoping for 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.359 the perfect swing or the perfect shots. And it got 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.160 to the point where I, just a little bit at 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.480 a time, went from the tour to the corn ferry, 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.080 from the corn ferry to PJ tor Canada, and that 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.680 was the last place I played, and I had a 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.040 great time. Took the family up to PJ Tour Canada. 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.800 Preston hung out with me. He was nine. 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:54.440 He was nine. 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.280 He hung out with me every second of every day 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.919 on the PJ tor Canda, except Grace's birthday. Mom said, hey, 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:03.359 you're staying home to celebrate Grace's birthday. And at that point, 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.600 when I went back, they started school. I was starting 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.320 to drive to the airport, Sky Harbor and Phoenix, and 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.440 I was like, I'm not playing well enough to justify this, 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:15.840 and my kids are getting so pressing, was getting so 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.880 into the game. I just turned around Withdrew and stopped 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:23.440 doing it full time. And I couldn't imagine at that 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.640 time that I would be a golf coach, because when 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.040 you grow up in the game and you're just a 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.640 player and you've had success, you just see yourself as that. 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.560 And I remember some of the I was really close to, 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.520 kind of like a life coach. I was so mad 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:38.200 when I was done playing. You just feel like you 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.640 didn't meet expectations, and you're a little bit frustrating. The 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.400 last place you think you want to be as on 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.560 a golf course more. You just want to just kind 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.960 of hide run away, and you know, you didn't apecations 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.680 you had And my friend said, hey, I know you're 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.480 pissed off right now, but you and your family have 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.480 been in the game your whole life. I think that's 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.520 your number one skill set. And I couldn't be more 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.400 grateful that he pushed me that direction, because once I 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.320 started to coach, it's never the same buzz as you 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:09.040 doing it, but it's different, like it's very rewarding. And then, 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.720 especially once my kids started to take after, you know, 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.280 and fall in love with the game, I thought, Wow, 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.560 all the ups and downs of playing, you know, going 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.320 to all these instructors, reading all the books and chasing 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.719 I'm like, wow, I really am made to be a coach. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.359 Coaching was in my family too, and I couldn't be 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.080 more grateful that I'm here sitting in the truck. I 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:34.359 wouldn't have expected it, but the place's coaching has taken me. 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.640 There are places where I would have dreamed was going 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:39.680 as a player. It was just different than how I 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:40.479 thought it was going to be. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.800 You mentioned winning two junior Worlds. I think it's Boyd 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:44.320 and Tiger. 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:44.840 Is that right? 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:46.080 Is that that that's the list. 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:52.680 I believe he won five. I won three, Yeah, sixteen. 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.880 Where'd you go on your mission? I went to Argentina, Argentina, 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:57.520 And how was that experience? Because I mean, you were 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.400 what have you read twenty years old? 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:01.640 I went when I was nineteen, So played one year 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.320 at Oklahoma State, went to Argentina for two years, and 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.120 when I came back. Funny story is, we're doing qualifying 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.400 at Oklahoma State literally a month after I got home 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.160 on my mission. And if anyone's gone to Carston Creek, 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:14.320 you have some space to hit the fairways, but if 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.240 you don't, it's just jungle. It's just the oak trees, 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.760 and you're not chipping out. It's just a penalty shot. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.120 And I remember doing a qualifying on the back nine 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.440 and I shot fifty and Coach shoulder kind of disgusted. 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.359 He's like, you're out of here. You're not going the 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.920 next night. And so it was a cool experience getting 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:30.800 my game back to where then I could go to 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:35.200 Q school and get through. But yeah, I think I 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.720 learned appreciation just for life on my mission. The northern 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.800 parts of Argentina are incredibly poor, and the people are 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.840 happy and sometimes over here we have so much and 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.479 we're not happy. So that's probably the long lasting memory 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.640 of those two years is just gratitude everywhere I go. 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.719 You just when you're seeing that day after day, the 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.880 struggle of just to get bread and they had mate. 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.400 It was tea that kind of pressed their appetite and 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.440 the most lovely people. So that will always, you know, 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.200 leave an imprint of gratitude in my in my mind 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:08.960 and heart. For those two years. 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:10.919 Did you play any golf in Argentina in two years? 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:12.880 So there was two nine hole courses and when you're 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.520 thinking of golf courses, it's just pasture with some flags. 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.760 And Argentinians are really short, and so that when I 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.680 went to play nine holes, the clubs were so flat 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.440 and so short. I'm good, I don't need to do this. 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.000 The torch truck's dead, you know, no tor truck there 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.239 right there to been the lost in lives for me, Boyd. 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.120 I think a fun part of your journey is like 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.599 you've felt the pain of being a professional, the joys 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.720 and then the pain for sure, like like the struggle 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.800 of it. You've taken a lot of lessons. I think 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.040 one thing I see, at least from as far as 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.640 that you're you're like a holistic coach to your to 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:52.520 the players and your players play good. You're working on mechanics, technique, strategy, 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.159 life coaching. I mean, how what is your approach to 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.560 your different players that you take and how do you 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.240 have to cater to each each of each of the 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.160 different players you know, take Tony for example. Is it 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.440 more the technical side? Are you working more on the 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.080 field strategy side? What's your what's your approach there? 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.600 I think exactly what you said and what I alluded 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.760 to earlier. I'm you know, wise enough and humble enough 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.000 to know that I didn't not have a successful career 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.440 because of bad breaks and injuries. You look at Patrick Cantley, 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.440 he came back from injury. Guys come back from injuries. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.920 There are so many mistakes I made that then I 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.160 could help my students not make. For example, I talked 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.120 about how I changed every club in the bag. Well, 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:34.640 I was already going to go on tour and I 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.400 need to get used to just being comfortable to golf courses, 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.440 just fitting in with who to play practice rounds with, and. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.040 Why change a factor that you actually already work comfortable? 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.840 There you go and so when I got and then 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.880 I also from me trying to chase the perfect swing, 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.360 I realized that's not the way to go. When you're 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.880 working with you know, amateurs or all levels of golfers. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.840 You want to go very systematically, one thing at a time, 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.920 you know, in swing thing, one thing at a time. 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.720 Sure you can change setup and other things before, because 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.120 that's not before you've taken the club back. But to me, 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.559 when I started working with a player, I'd look and say, Okay, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.520 what have they always done in their swings that I'm 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.360 not going to change, and then let's try to build 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.520 pieces around it that make their swing work better. Same 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.560 thing with the equipment. I had a player that Tony. 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:22.040 He was one of the top players in the world, 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:23.960 and he had some decisions to make as he kept 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.680 up on the rise, there was an opportunity to play 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.520 a different golf ball, and you know, I was the 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:32.599 pain of me not making it. I go around to 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.840 golf course all the time and think, hmmm, it's just 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.800 a humbling thing, Like I just I know what I 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.400 could have been and what I didn't achieve, and I'm like, 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.400 we're not going there changing one piece, which is the 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.320 golf ball. Is a big deal, bigger than what people think, 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.200 and so I've been able to steer players away from 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:53.120 mistakes that I personally made. Also, I think that players 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.000 have come to see me because they do know that 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.200 I have the background of playing whether because at some 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.199 point I played some great golf and then I made 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.520 a lot of mistakes. And so it's almost a two 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.559 edged sword where I'm able to help players in good ways, 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.040 push them the right direction that helped me and other 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.720 players be successful, but also keep them away from things 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.840 that are going to put them down the wrong path. 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.320 And I think there's trust when a player works with 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.120 someone that has been in the game, knows the torture 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:19.760 of it, knows the ups and downs that you don't 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:21.760 panic after two or three weeks. Well I did that 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.640 as a player too on tour, get so hard on myself, 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:26.400 so down and you're like, you just missed two or 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.200 three cuts by a couple of shots. Don't make this 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.520 bigger than it is. And I found myself in that 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.880 rabbit hole where I just worked harder and harder and 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.880 harder on my swing, when in reality it's like, you 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.800 know what, you know, it's a shot. Here, go work 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:42.960 on some web shots. You didn't get that up and down, 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.360 not just look at one area, but all of them 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.280 and don't panic. And I think that's helped me is 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:53.520 just the player confiding or trusting that I'm not going 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.600 to give them something crazy on a Tuesday or Wednesday 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.160 work on because hey, I tried that and it looked 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.439 good on film, and then you go play terrible. So 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.560 I think just experience from being a player and recognizing 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.800 the mistakes I made as a player has helped me coach, 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.800 you know, high level players and actually average golfers alike. 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.320 Don't give so much information at one time. Have a 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.000 blueprint of where this thing's going, but do it one 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.200 at a time, because when you fix one thing in 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.040 the golf swing, it tends to clear up a couple others, 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:22.880 and then that takes you to the next priority. 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:23.560 Yeah. 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:27.240 Yeah, I wanted to ask about Preston because I've had 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.760 the pleasure of calling and covering Preston play some amazing 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:32.679 golf and he won the Junior Am. Some of those 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:34.840 shots he hit, you know, late in that second eighteen 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:36.840 were some of the best shots we saw for the 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:41.280 entire year. You're you're very open on social media and 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.600 it's very impressive. I mean you, some of my favorite 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.920 things on social are when your kids and family have 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.160 those matches and you kind of follow along. When it's 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.680 like the boy dots on the Instagram story, I know 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.840 it's going to be a pretty good day. But you know, 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:56.640 Preston is a young your kid, young man coming up 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.360 in the game, and all of a sudden, he's winning 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:02.280 these enormous national chamschampionships. He's getting to play golf on 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:05.240 a weekly basis with Tony Finow and John Rahm. How 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.280 much have you pushed Preston into that world go play 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.000 with these guys as you're coming up and going to college, 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:12.840 and how much at times do you maybe pull them 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.280 away from that and say, go play with your peers, 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.600 go play with your buddies. Because I can imagine if 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.400 you're playing with John Ram and Tony all the time 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:21.120 and maybe you're not beating them, or maybe you get 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.320 them every now and again, it could probably be slightly 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.240 demoralizing for a guy like Preston, considering how talented he is. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.520 I look at it two ways. When you play with 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.080 people that are better, two things are going to happen. 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:34.960 Either you play with them and you see certain skill 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.760 sets that wow, Okay, I'm right up to par, and 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.280 then you also see areas that you're not. And so 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.680 I always have encouraged my kids when you play with 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:47.680 people that are better, you know, don't get deflated. Look 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:51.040 for areas in your game, or learn for other players 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.000 kind of the tricks of the trade that they're using. 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.720 And the biggest advantage is just the comfort level if 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.960 you put yourself in a situation like that. Preston was 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.040 ten and eleven when he starts playing with these tour pros. 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:03.360 You know, he was getting a bus from this, which 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.200 is the exact same buzz you get on the first 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.400 tee or coming down the stretch at the US Junior 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.000 where you got to make some putts coming down and 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.320 to really swing a match or stay ahead. And that 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.400 constant competing is something I've tried to pass on to 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.000 my kids. And I think one thing that helped me 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.000 a lot too is my dad taught me and Daniel. 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.480 My dad did some amazing things that did help us, 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.480 and one of them was always competing. Every shot mattered. 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.480 After school, we'd only have like an hour and fifteen 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.760 minutes of daylight. We ran an oakreg country Club where 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:34.920 they played the corn Ferry event one, two, three, and nine. 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.040 We'd play two balls, it would be an eight whole tournament. 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.760 We're always playing for something. Usually it was a Maverick 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.760 ice cream cone, and my dad found a way, even 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:44.520 if we were losing the bet, to create a new 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.640 bet to play for it. So it was always something 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.160 on the line. And I think when you're playing with 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.040 people that are better than you, you naturally just want 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.599 to play well, which is a good emotion and a 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.800 good pressure and a good expectation. I think just that 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:02.479 being uncomfortable all the time, it becomes normal and comfortable. 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.360 And I think that's the advantage of playing for Preston, 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.839 playing with Tony John Ram, he got to play with 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.840 Brooks kept get age fourteen and all the tour players 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.240 I taught, Wyndam Clark played you know, fifty rounds with 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.400 and other players where it's like, Okay, I'm learning and 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.280 grow and I see where I still got to go, 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.040 but I see where I'm you know, in a good 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:24.360 place compared to other players. 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:26.839 What does Preston say to you about that, because now 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.360 obviously he's in college and I mean, you know, you 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.360 just got he just got announced to the Walker Cup team. 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.880 He's had a great freshman year obviously at ASU. What 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:34.800 does he say to you as a dad and also 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.080 as a coach about the experience as a fourteen year 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:39.319 old and as an eleven year old and as a 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.280 sixteen year old to get him set up to these 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:42.840 types of pressure pack situations. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.360 Yeah, he understands that it's made a huge impact. He's 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.640 grateful for the opportunities he's had because we say iron 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.280 sharpens iron, and when you can get with those type 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.640 of players, and they're different types of players, meaning the 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.600 way Tony goes about it and his demeanor is very 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.600 different than John. Raum, Grayce and Cam are very much 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.960 more like John, where you know, they have that quick 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.840 fire and then get over it. Preston's a little bit 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.240 more laid back on and off the course, more like Tony, 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.480 and so he can take pieces from every player and say, hey, 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.320 I actually like how John gets kind of pissed, but 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.840 then he's over it. Hey, I like the composure and 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.760 the and the mentality of Tony, and you kind of take, 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.880 you know, pieces from each tour pro You're not trying 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.920 to copy and be like another player because you you 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.600 being you is a huge part of self confidence and 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.800 feeling like you're doing it the right way. But I 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.480 think my kids have always been learners, just trying to 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:40.200 always you know, see little things that they do, whether 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.760 it's their drills or you know what, when they get 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.600 aggressive to a flag, when they play away, just they're 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.440 very observant and they realize the opportunity they've had the 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.560 advantage over other kids, so they try not to squander it. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.160 Preston seems like I mean, one of the funnest things 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.560 about watching him is like how many clutch putts he's 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.960 already made, you know, even at eighteen at ASU to 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:04.600 win that tournament. I mean, that was super fun to watch, boyd. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.480 Since you played the tour till now, how has the 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:13.320 PGA tour changed? You know, athletes priority on distance. You've 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.920 worked with Tony and you've kind of dialed you he 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.040 already had ample distance and you work with him to 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.160 put a priority on driving accuracy. Then you got, you know, 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:26.120 your kids where you're trying to build up their speed. Right, So, 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.600 in coming at it from the other angle, how's the 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:33.200 tour changed? When what priorities are? How are you adapting 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.800 to that? And implementing that with with you know, your 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:37.120 array of students. 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.440 So they talk a lot about power and distance in 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.800 the game now like it wasn't before. But when you 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.480 look at some of the best players. Nick Folllow was 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.120 a huge guy that was an accuracy player. Greg Norman 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:52.480 Baumbed an incredible driver of the golf ball, Jack Nicholas, 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.680 I mean, look at those quads. He had a massive 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.760 advantage with distance but also height into the game, and 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.280 so distance has always been My uncle Bruce was a 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:03.880 club pro. He'd played in some major championships and some 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.920 tour events, but when my dad and him got together 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.520 trying to get onto the champions Tour, that was the 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.160 biggest priority because my uncle was a very accurate driver 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.400 of the golf ball, but he was shorter. So my 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.440 uncle played a forty eight degree or forty eight short 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.280 on the tour. Now it's limited now, so in my 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.000 family and my dad passing it on to us, distance 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.840 was a big deal. But when you speak about what's 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.840 different with the tour now than before, I remember being 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.760 able to go to first stage a qu school and thinking, 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.080 if I just don't mess up, I'm going to get through. 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.360 I'm going to get through at second. I got to 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:40.119 play good, but I don't have to play great nowadays. 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.280 The level of competition, as far as it's just the numbers, 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.520 there's just so many. The great players in every generation 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.760 are just great. They could hang with each other, right 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.440 just based on That's all you can do is just 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.080 try to be the best of your generation. But when 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.120 you think of how many kids play now days because 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:02.200 of Tiger Woods, it became so cool for athletes to play. Now, 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.120 look at what they're playing for money wise, all these 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.919 things are attracting athletes that would have gone into a 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.119 different sport now they come into golf. You look at 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.359 the height of the players on the PGA Tour compared 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.840 to before. You're looking two to three inches taller from 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.760 just thirty years ago, twenty years ago. You know, Tony 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.320 even when he came out on the tour, it was 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.840 like he really stuck out. Now you've got patent, goodzire, 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.399 you've got I mean, we could go down the list, 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.960 we could name twenty five thirty guys that are over 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.600 six three six ' two. It's just become kind of normal, 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.040 and we're attracting just athletes. And then I would say, 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.160 why are kids, or why is the tour so much 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.840 better now? I remember when I played the US Junior 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:45.960 and the US Amateurs North Dakota Country Club, Waverley Country 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:50.160 Right nowadays they're playing these amateur events at major championship courses. 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:54.320 Junior golfer playing tour courses. I don't try to be 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:56.879 arrogant and think, Okay, the coaching and the technology is 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.160 so much better that that's why our golfers are better. 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.240 When you're playing ping junior golf at age twelve thirteen, 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.960 and you're playing TPC Sawgrass and you're playing sedge Fill 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.080 where they play the final event of the tour season, 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.359 and over and over you're playing these courses, the courses 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.280 are showing the kids, hey, I got to get a 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.840 little bit better. They're putting the same whole locations as 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:18.840 the tour event. Literally, you can just take the pin sheet, 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.119 whole location sheet from the tour and when Preston and 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.360 Grace have played at tour courses, those are the whole 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.280 locations and they get used to seeing a pin three 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.719