1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: hit any shot. 4 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: I kind of want we're gonna be able to tell 5 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 2: some fun stories about what goes on here to help 6 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 2: golfers play better golf. 7 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane Bacon, 8 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: That's Marty Jerts, and that is Boyd Summer Hayes in 9 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: the Tour truck. Boy this is a place that back 10 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: in the day, maybe you came in and got your 11 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: club's tinkered with, and now obviously you work with some 12 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: of the best players in the world. I want to 13 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: kind of go back through your journey, both as a 14 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: player and now obviously a coach. But take us back 15 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: to your playing days. What was it like, how many 16 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: tours did you play on and when did you decide 17 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: maybe to say, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna take another path. 18 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 3: So golf's in my blood. My grandfather was a head 19 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 3: golf coach at the University of Utah. My dad Lynn, 20 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 3: my uncle Bruce Summer Hayes, who played the Champions Tour, 21 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 3: lifetime peing player, and then my uncle Gary were all golfers. 22 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: They were the captains at the University of Utah. So 23 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: my dad love golf. I'm one of seven siblings. My 24 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: dad had it figured out. Everybody plays golf. We got 25 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 3: two fours on Saturday in the afternoons after school, and 26 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: that's just what I knew growing up. It was just 27 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: golf and family competition, and I kind of knew at 28 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 3: a young age I was getting to the point where 29 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 3: I wanted to do it for a living. By the 30 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 3: time I was fourteen, I won my second Junior World. 31 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 3: When I won at ten, I didn't I'm just just 32 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 3: playing with my brothers and sisters and playing junior golf locally. 33 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 3: And then once I won at fourteen, it really got 34 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: me thinking, hey, I may be able to do this. 35 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: And then once again at Tory Pines when I was sixteen, 36 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: and by then I was looking at going to Oklahoma 37 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: State with Charles how we were best buddies, and I 38 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: ended up doing that, went on a two year more 39 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: of a mission. That kind of set me back a 40 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 3: little bit. But by the time I was twenty four, 41 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: I had my tour card through Q School, and you know, 42 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 3: things didn't go exactly how I had planned. Had an 43 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: injury or two, made some rookie mistakes, changed all my equipment. 44 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: I kind of had a mixed bag. I had some pings, 45 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 3: I had a Cameron Putter, I had Cleveland Wedge Taylor 46 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 3: made driver at the time, and it was like, huh, 47 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 3: what do I do? And I signed, you know, a 48 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: contract with Callaway and it got to be where I 49 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: was a little bit unfamiliar with my equipment. I kind 50 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 3: of a quite rookie mistakes and sophomore mistakes, not injuries 51 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 3: of why I didn't succeed, But without even knowing it, 52 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: I was becoming a really probable for a coach. I 53 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 3: had had so many lessons from so many instructors trying 54 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 3: to chase miss Oh my gosh, And it got to 55 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: the point where, you know, my game kind of just 56 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 3: slowly deteriorated. A lot of the athleticism and a lot 57 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 3: of the natural skills I had. I just sit on 58 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: a range all day and hit, hit, hit, hoping for 59 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 3: the perfect swing or the perfect shots. And it got 60 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: to the point where I, just a little bit at 61 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: a time, went from the tour to the corn ferry, 62 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 3: from the corn ferry to PJ tor Canada, and that 63 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: was the last place I played, and I had a 64 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: great time. Took the family up to PJ Tour Canada. 65 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 3: Preston hung out with me. He was nine. 66 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: He was nine. 67 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: He hung out with me every second of every day 68 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 3: on the PJ tor Canda, except Grace's birthday. Mom said, hey, 69 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 3: you're staying home to celebrate Grace's birthday. And at that point, 70 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: when I went back, they started school. I was starting 71 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: to drive to the airport, Sky Harbor and Phoenix, and 72 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not playing well enough to justify this, 73 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: and my kids are getting so pressing, was getting so 74 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: into the game. I just turned around Withdrew and stopped 75 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: doing it full time. And I couldn't imagine at that 76 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 3: time that I would be a golf coach, because when 77 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 3: you grow up in the game and you're just a 78 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 3: player and you've had success, you just see yourself as that. 79 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: And I remember some of the I was really close to, 80 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 3: kind of like a life coach. I was so mad 81 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 3: when I was done playing. You just feel like you 82 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 3: didn't meet expectations, and you're a little bit frustrating. The 83 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: last place you think you want to be as on 84 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 3: a golf course more. You just want to just kind 85 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: of hide run away, and you know, you didn't apecations 86 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 3: you had And my friend said, hey, I know you're 87 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: pissed off right now, but you and your family have 88 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 3: been in the game your whole life. I think that's 89 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: your number one skill set. And I couldn't be more 90 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 3: grateful that he pushed me that direction, because once I 91 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: started to coach, it's never the same buzz as you 92 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 3: doing it, but it's different, like it's very rewarding. And then, 93 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: especially once my kids started to take after, you know, 94 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: and fall in love with the game, I thought, Wow, 95 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: all the ups and downs of playing, you know, going 96 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: to all these instructors, reading all the books and chasing 97 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, I really am made to be a coach. 98 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 3: Coaching was in my family too, and I couldn't be 99 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: more grateful that I'm here sitting in the truck. I 100 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 3: wouldn't have expected it, but the place's coaching has taken me. 101 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: There are places where I would have dreamed was going 102 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 3: as a player. It was just different than how I 103 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 3: thought it was going to be. 104 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: You mentioned winning two junior Worlds. I think it's Boyd 105 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: and Tiger. 106 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 3: Is that right? 107 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: Is that that that's the list. 108 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: I believe he won five. I won three, Yeah, sixteen. 109 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: Where'd you go on your mission? I went to Argentina, Argentina, 110 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: And how was that experience? Because I mean, you were 111 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: what have you read twenty years old? 112 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: I went when I was nineteen, So played one year 113 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 3: at Oklahoma State, went to Argentina for two years, and 114 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 3: when I came back. Funny story is, we're doing qualifying 115 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: at Oklahoma State literally a month after I got home 116 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 3: on my mission. And if anyone's gone to Carston Creek, 117 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: you have some space to hit the fairways, but if 118 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: you don't, it's just jungle. It's just the oak trees, 119 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 3: and you're not chipping out. It's just a penalty shot. 120 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: And I remember doing a qualifying on the back nine 121 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: and I shot fifty and Coach shoulder kind of disgusted. 122 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 3: He's like, you're out of here. You're not going the 123 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 3: next night. And so it was a cool experience getting 124 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: my game back to where then I could go to 125 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 3: Q school and get through. But yeah, I think I 126 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 3: learned appreciation just for life on my mission. The northern 127 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: parts of Argentina are incredibly poor, and the people are 128 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 3: happy and sometimes over here we have so much and 129 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 3: we're not happy. So that's probably the long lasting memory 130 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 3: of those two years is just gratitude everywhere I go. 131 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 3: You just when you're seeing that day after day, the 132 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: struggle of just to get bread and they had mate. 133 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 3: It was tea that kind of pressed their appetite and 134 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: the most lovely people. So that will always, you know, 135 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: leave an imprint of gratitude in my in my mind 136 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: and heart. For those two years. 137 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: Did you play any golf in Argentina in two years? 138 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: So there was two nine hole courses and when you're 139 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: thinking of golf courses, it's just pasture with some flags. 140 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: And Argentinians are really short, and so that when I 141 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 3: went to play nine holes, the clubs were so flat 142 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: and so short. I'm good, I don't need to do this. 143 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 3: The torch truck's dead, you know, no tor truck there 144 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 3: right there to been the lost in lives for me, Boyd. 145 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: I think a fun part of your journey is like 146 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 2: you've felt the pain of being a professional, the joys 147 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 2: and then the pain for sure, like like the struggle 148 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: of it. You've taken a lot of lessons. I think 149 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: one thing I see, at least from as far as 150 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: that you're you're like a holistic coach to your to 151 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: the players and your players play good. You're working on mechanics, technique, strategy, 152 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 2: life coaching. I mean, how what is your approach to 153 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: your different players that you take and how do you 154 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: have to cater to each each of each of the 155 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: different players you know, take Tony for example. Is it 156 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: more the technical side? Are you working more on the 157 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: field strategy side? What's your what's your approach there? 158 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: I think exactly what you said and what I alluded 159 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 3: to earlier. I'm you know, wise enough and humble enough 160 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 3: to know that I didn't not have a successful career 161 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: because of bad breaks and injuries. You look at Patrick Cantley, 162 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: he came back from injury. Guys come back from injuries. 163 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: There are so many mistakes I made that then I 164 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 3: could help my students not make. For example, I talked 165 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: about how I changed every club in the bag. Well, 166 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: I was already going to go on tour and I 167 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: need to get used to just being comfortable to golf courses, 168 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: just fitting in with who to play practice rounds with, and. 169 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: Why change a factor that you actually already work comfortable? 170 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: There you go and so when I got and then 171 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: I also from me trying to chase the perfect swing, 172 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: I realized that's not the way to go. When you're 173 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 3: working with you know, amateurs or all levels of golfers. 174 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: You want to go very systematically, one thing at a time, 175 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: you know, in swing thing, one thing at a time. 176 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: Sure you can change setup and other things before, because 177 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: that's not before you've taken the club back. But to me, 178 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,559 Speaker 3: when I started working with a player, I'd look and say, Okay, 179 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: what have they always done in their swings that I'm 180 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 3: not going to change, and then let's try to build 181 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 3: pieces around it that make their swing work better. Same 182 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: thing with the equipment. I had a player that Tony. 183 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: He was one of the top players in the world, 184 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: and he had some decisions to make as he kept 185 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: up on the rise, there was an opportunity to play 186 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 3: a different golf ball, and you know, I was the 187 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,599 Speaker 3: pain of me not making it. I go around to 188 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 3: golf course all the time and think, hmmm, it's just 189 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: a humbling thing, Like I just I know what I 190 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: could have been and what I didn't achieve, and I'm like, 191 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: we're not going there changing one piece, which is the 192 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 3: golf ball. Is a big deal, bigger than what people think, 193 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 3: and so I've been able to steer players away from 194 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: mistakes that I personally made. Also, I think that players 195 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 3: have come to see me because they do know that 196 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 3: I have the background of playing whether because at some 197 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 3: point I played some great golf and then I made 198 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: a lot of mistakes. And so it's almost a two 199 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 3: edged sword where I'm able to help players in good ways, 200 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 3: push them the right direction that helped me and other 201 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 3: players be successful, but also keep them away from things 202 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: that are going to put them down the wrong path. 203 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: And I think there's trust when a player works with 204 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: someone that has been in the game, knows the torture 205 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: of it, knows the ups and downs that you don't 206 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: panic after two or three weeks. Well I did that 207 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: as a player too on tour, get so hard on myself, 208 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: so down and you're like, you just missed two or 209 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 3: three cuts by a couple of shots. Don't make this 210 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 3: bigger than it is. And I found myself in that 211 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: rabbit hole where I just worked harder and harder and 212 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: harder on my swing, when in reality it's like, you 213 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: know what, you know, it's a shot. Here, go work 214 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 3: on some web shots. You didn't get that up and down, 215 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: not just look at one area, but all of them 216 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: and don't panic. And I think that's helped me is 217 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: just the player confiding or trusting that I'm not going 218 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: to give them something crazy on a Tuesday or Wednesday 219 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: work on because hey, I tried that and it looked 220 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 3: good on film, and then you go play terrible. So 221 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 3: I think just experience from being a player and recognizing 222 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: the mistakes I made as a player has helped me coach, 223 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: you know, high level players and actually average golfers alike. 224 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 3: Don't give so much information at one time. Have a 225 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 3: blueprint of where this thing's going, but do it one 226 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: at a time, because when you fix one thing in 227 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 3: the golf swing, it tends to clear up a couple others, 228 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 3: and then that takes you to the next priority. 229 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 230 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to ask about Preston because I've had 231 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: the pleasure of calling and covering Preston play some amazing 232 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: golf and he won the Junior Am. Some of those 233 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: shots he hit, you know, late in that second eighteen 234 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: were some of the best shots we saw for the 235 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: entire year. You're you're very open on social media and 236 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: it's very impressive. I mean you, some of my favorite 237 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: things on social are when your kids and family have 238 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: those matches and you kind of follow along. When it's 239 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: like the boy dots on the Instagram story, I know 240 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: it's going to be a pretty good day. But you know, 241 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: Preston is a young your kid, young man coming up 242 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: in the game, and all of a sudden, he's winning 243 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: these enormous national chamschampionships. He's getting to play golf on 244 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: a weekly basis with Tony Finow and John Rahm. How 245 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: much have you pushed Preston into that world go play 246 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: with these guys as you're coming up and going to college, 247 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: and how much at times do you maybe pull them 248 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: away from that and say, go play with your peers, 249 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: go play with your buddies. Because I can imagine if 250 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: you're playing with John Ram and Tony all the time 251 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: and maybe you're not beating them, or maybe you get 252 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: them every now and again, it could probably be slightly 253 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: demoralizing for a guy like Preston, considering how talented he is. 254 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 3: I look at it two ways. When you play with 255 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 3: people that are better, two things are going to happen. 256 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 3: Either you play with them and you see certain skill 257 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: sets that wow, Okay, I'm right up to par, and 258 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 3: then you also see areas that you're not. And so 259 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 3: I always have encouraged my kids when you play with 260 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 3: people that are better, you know, don't get deflated. Look 261 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: for areas in your game, or learn for other players 262 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 3: kind of the tricks of the trade that they're using. 263 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 3: And the biggest advantage is just the comfort level if 264 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 3: you put yourself in a situation like that. Preston was 265 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 3: ten and eleven when he starts playing with these tour pros. 266 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: You know, he was getting a bus from this, which 267 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 3: is the exact same buzz you get on the first 268 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: tee or coming down the stretch at the US Junior 269 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 3: where you got to make some putts coming down and 270 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 3: to really swing a match or stay ahead. And that 271 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: constant competing is something I've tried to pass on to 272 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: my kids. And I think one thing that helped me 273 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: a lot too is my dad taught me and Daniel. 274 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: My dad did some amazing things that did help us, 275 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: and one of them was always competing. Every shot mattered. 276 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: After school, we'd only have like an hour and fifteen 277 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 3: minutes of daylight. We ran an oakreg country Club where 278 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: they played the corn Ferry event one, two, three, and nine. 279 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: We'd play two balls, it would be an eight whole tournament. 280 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 3: We're always playing for something. Usually it was a Maverick 281 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 3: ice cream cone, and my dad found a way, even 282 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 3: if we were losing the bet, to create a new 283 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 3: bet to play for it. So it was always something 284 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: on the line. And I think when you're playing with 285 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: people that are better than you, you naturally just want 286 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,599 Speaker 3: to play well, which is a good emotion and a 287 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: good pressure and a good expectation. I think just that 288 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,479 Speaker 3: being uncomfortable all the time, it becomes normal and comfortable. 289 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: And I think that's the advantage of playing for Preston, 290 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 3: playing with Tony John Ram, he got to play with 291 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 3: Brooks kept get age fourteen and all the tour players 292 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: I taught, Wyndam Clark played you know, fifty rounds with 293 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: and other players where it's like, Okay, I'm learning and 294 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 3: grow and I see where I still got to go, 295 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: but I see where I'm you know, in a good 296 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: place compared to other players. 297 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: What does Preston say to you about that, because now 298 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: obviously he's in college and I mean, you know, you 299 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: just got he just got announced to the Walker Cup team. 300 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: He's had a great freshman year obviously at ASU. What 301 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: does he say to you as a dad and also 302 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: as a coach about the experience as a fourteen year 303 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: old and as an eleven year old and as a 304 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: sixteen year old to get him set up to these 305 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: types of pressure pack situations. 306 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, he understands that it's made a huge impact. He's 307 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 3: grateful for the opportunities he's had because we say iron 308 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 3: sharpens iron, and when you can get with those type 309 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: of players, and they're different types of players, meaning the 310 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: way Tony goes about it and his demeanor is very 311 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 3: different than John. Raum, Grayce and Cam are very much 312 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 3: more like John, where you know, they have that quick 313 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: fire and then get over it. Preston's a little bit 314 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: more laid back on and off the course, more like Tony, 315 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 3: and so he can take pieces from every player and say, hey, 316 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 3: I actually like how John gets kind of pissed, but 317 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 3: then he's over it. Hey, I like the composure and 318 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: the and the mentality of Tony, and you kind of take, 319 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: you know, pieces from each tour pro You're not trying 320 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: to copy and be like another player because you you 321 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: being you is a huge part of self confidence and 322 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 3: feeling like you're doing it the right way. But I 323 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: think my kids have always been learners, just trying to 324 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: always you know, see little things that they do, whether 325 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: it's their drills or you know what, when they get 326 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 3: aggressive to a flag, when they play away, just they're 327 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 3: very observant and they realize the opportunity they've had the 328 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 3: advantage over other kids, so they try not to squander it. 329 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: Preston seems like I mean, one of the funnest things 330 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: about watching him is like how many clutch putts he's 331 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: already made, you know, even at eighteen at ASU to 332 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: win that tournament. I mean, that was super fun to watch, boyd. 333 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: Since you played the tour till now, how has the 334 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: PGA tour changed? You know, athletes priority on distance. You've 335 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: worked with Tony and you've kind of dialed you he 336 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: already had ample distance and you work with him to 337 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: put a priority on driving accuracy. Then you got, you know, 338 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: your kids where you're trying to build up their speed. Right, So, 339 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: in coming at it from the other angle, how's the 340 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: tour changed? When what priorities are? How are you adapting 341 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: to that? And implementing that with with you know, your 342 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: array of students. 343 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: So they talk a lot about power and distance in 344 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 3: the game now like it wasn't before. But when you 345 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 3: look at some of the best players. Nick Folllow was 346 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: a huge guy that was an accuracy player. Greg Norman 347 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 3: Baumbed an incredible driver of the golf ball, Jack Nicholas, 348 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 3: I mean, look at those quads. He had a massive 349 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 3: advantage with distance but also height into the game, and 350 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 3: so distance has always been My uncle Bruce was a 351 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: club pro. He'd played in some major championships and some 352 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: tour events, but when my dad and him got together 353 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: trying to get onto the champions Tour, that was the 354 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 3: biggest priority because my uncle was a very accurate driver 355 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: of the golf ball, but he was shorter. So my 356 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: uncle played a forty eight degree or forty eight short 357 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: on the tour. Now it's limited now, so in my 358 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 3: family and my dad passing it on to us, distance 359 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 3: was a big deal. But when you speak about what's 360 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 3: different with the tour now than before, I remember being 361 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 3: able to go to first stage a qu school and thinking, 362 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: if I just don't mess up, I'm going to get through. 363 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: I'm going to get through at second. I got to 364 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,119 Speaker 3: play good, but I don't have to play great nowadays. 365 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 3: The level of competition, as far as it's just the numbers, 366 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 3: there's just so many. The great players in every generation 367 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: are just great. They could hang with each other, right 368 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 3: just based on That's all you can do is just 369 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: try to be the best of your generation. But when 370 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: you think of how many kids play now days because 371 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 3: of Tiger Woods, it became so cool for athletes to play. Now, 372 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 3: look at what they're playing for money wise, all these 373 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 3: things are attracting athletes that would have gone into a 374 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 3: different sport now they come into golf. You look at 375 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 3: the height of the players on the PGA Tour compared 376 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 3: to before. You're looking two to three inches taller from 377 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: just thirty years ago, twenty years ago. You know, Tony 378 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: even when he came out on the tour, it was 379 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 3: like he really stuck out. Now you've got patent, goodzire, 380 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 3: you've got I mean, we could go down the list, 381 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 3: we could name twenty five thirty guys that are over 382 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 3: six three six ' two. It's just become kind of normal, 383 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 3: and we're attracting just athletes. And then I would say, 384 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 3: why are kids, or why is the tour so much 385 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 3: better now? I remember when I played the US Junior 386 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 3: and the US Amateurs North Dakota Country Club, Waverley Country 387 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 3: Right nowadays they're playing these amateur events at major championship courses. 388 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 3: Junior golfer playing tour courses. I don't try to be 389 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 3: arrogant and think, Okay, the coaching and the technology is 390 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 3: so much better that that's why our golfers are better. 391 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 3: When you're playing ping junior golf at age twelve thirteen, 392 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: and you're playing TPC Sawgrass and you're playing sedge Fill 393 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 3: where they play the final event of the tour season, 394 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 3: and over and over you're playing these courses, the courses 395 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 3: are showing the kids, hey, I got to get a 396 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 3: little bit better. They're putting the same whole locations as 397 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 3: the tour event. Literally, you can just take the pin sheet, 398 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 3: whole location sheet from the tour and when Preston and 399 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 3: Grace have played at tour courses, those are the whole 400 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 3: locations and they get used to seeing a pin three 401 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 3: off the edge, three over a bunker. I remember when 402 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 3: I got my corn Faery card or Monday qualified into 403 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 3: corn ferry events before I got my PGA Tour card. 404 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 3: That was a huge you know, justinent I'm like, man, 405 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: is that pin on the green and maybe it looks 406 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 3: so close to the edge and so close to these exactly, 407 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 3: So I think that's a big part of it. And 408 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: then even looking at the college schedule. I playedt Oklahoma State, 409 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 3: we would have had one of the best schedules, and 410 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 3: I remember Rio Saiko in Vegas being one of the 411 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 3: best courses we played. They wouldn't even play a college 412 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 3: event there. Now, I mean the ASU started their season 413 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 3: at Olympia Fields and they went to Aleworth, Cyprus. You're 414 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 3: going to get better. So these kids are not only 415 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 3: just more athletic and they're playing for so much more 416 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 3: that is making it sexy to come into the game 417 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 3: of golf, but they're being trained and prepared on courses 418 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 3: that are our world class and then they show up 419 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 3: on tour. Man, look how many kids come out of 420 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 3: college and are winning, you know, within a week or two. 421 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 3: It's impressive. 422 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 2: It's wild. 423 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: I was gonna. I wanted to ask about Tony specifically 424 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: because we talk about distance, We talk about chasing distance, 425 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: and so many players talk about speed training and stack 426 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: system and really trying to gain distance and speed. Tony 427 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: will call me outlier went the other way. Tony was 428 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: the guy we interviewed Tony. I said, could you lead 429 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour driving distance if you wanted to? He 430 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: said absolutely. He's fifty second in driving distance this season 431 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour. This is a guy that came 432 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: to you and went the other way. How was that 433 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: conversation and how did you guys go about making more 434 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: efficient and maybe not as powerful, but getting the ball 435 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: back in the fairy more often. 436 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 3: Well, you look at strokes gained. If you have a 437 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 3: penalty shot, that's one full shot that's going to be 438 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 3: coming off your strokes gained. And he figured out really quick. 439 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: Even when Victor Hovlin came out on tour, he was 440 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 3: at one to seventy five ball speed, but he hit 441 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 3: so many fairways. He was basically leading strokes gained off 442 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 3: the tee pretty much every event he played as a rookie. 443 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: And you get to that. 444 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 3: Point where golf course design it starts to pinch in 445 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: at that higher than one eighty five ball speed, so 446 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 3: it's you know, it becomes counterproductive. You got to be 447 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 3: long enough. But the more and more fairways that Tony hit. 448 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,959 Speaker 3: He realized when he was hitting it a little bit 449 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 3: more crooked. We hit so many three woods off the 450 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 3: tee his rookie year and even his second year. But 451 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 3: as he got better and better at driving, he hit 452 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 3: some softer drives. But he has these driver almost everywhere 453 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 3: he can, he hits it. And then just playing out 454 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 3: of the fairway for him, as great of an iron 455 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 3: player as he is, that made it so much easier 456 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 3: for him to have the bowgial avoidance. You know, when 457 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 3: you have that occasional foul ball and you know it's 458 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 3: going to happen, that's that's a very stressful situation. And 459 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 3: then the one advantage of Tony hitting a little bit 460 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 3: more crooked as a kid is I've never seen somebody 461 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 3: that's so good at recovery shots, escape shots. So he's yeah, 462 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 3: so it's like a brilliant combo where he drives it 463 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 3: so straight now and yet he has the scramble game 464 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 3: when he does mishit it. And so even when he 465 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,239 Speaker 3: first started hitting the ping driver, he loved being out 466 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 3: of the fairway so much that he wasn't at the 467 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 3: optimum you know numbers. He was hitting a driver that 468 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 3: was spinning at twenty nine, one hundred and three thousand, 469 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 3: and he's kept on hitting the ferries Like boyd, I 470 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 3: can get used to this, I can score from here. 471 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: And now he's gotten down to the better spin numbers, 472 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: better launch as he's just become a better driver of 473 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 3: the ball. But yeah, there is that fine line that 474 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 3: if you can't control your ball at the higher speeds, 475 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: then it is counterproductive. But I think the stats are 476 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 3: a little misleading. When you get these guys that are 477 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 3: hitting it pretty far and they're showing that they're hitting 478 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 3: fifty two to fifty five percent of the fairways, it 479 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: doesn't mean they're missing them by twenty yards off the side. 480 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 3: They're closer to the edges, And then we know strokes 481 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 3: gained approach for every you know, twenty thirty yards you're closer, 482 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 3: it's already negated by hitting it in the rough. You're 483 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 3: still going to hit it just as close as you 484 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 3: would have if you laid thirty yards back. But the 485 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 3: days you get hot and you hit that ten to 486 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 3: eleven twelve fairways, you know massive advantage. 487 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 2: We're looking at Tony stats, he is the closest proximity 488 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 2: of the whole. The number one is strokes gained out 489 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 2: of the rough? Yeah, you know, and he plays our 490 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 2: blueprint and irons right, which are small? Now, boyd, One 491 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 2: question I want to ask you is that marriage. And 492 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: a lot of our club fitters always ask us this 493 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 2: like the marriage of fitting and teaching. Right, and Tony, 494 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: you've met you. You guys made a lot of changes. 495 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 2: For example, too, is iron lying goals over the past 496 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 2: couple of years? Right? Is it? Is it you coming 497 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 2: in say hey, we need to go flatter more upright? 498 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 2: Do you change the clubs first, do you work on 499 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 2: a swing first? Or both? Those things happen simultaneously. 500 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 3: So when I coach, I go in this order equipment 501 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 3: number one that could be your body, Okay, you might 502 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 3: have a physical limitation. Our body and mind are our 503 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 3: two biggest pieces of equipment. And then you go to 504 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: your actual golf equipment. As you guys know, Man, you've 505 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 3: got grip size, shaft, kick points, flexes, light, angles, all 506 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: these different factors that come into play. And I think 507 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 3: if players aren't, you know, checking those things often, it 508 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 3: can get off. And I think when I was talking about, hey, 509 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 3: players are playing harder courses and there's higher competition that 510 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 3: make some better. Preston and Grace and Cam at age 511 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 3: ten and eleven, they were already coming into peeing every 512 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 3: quarter to make sure things are right. And it's even 513 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 3: a little bit more frequent. It's pressting, and Grace and 514 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 3: Cam have gotten better, and so I don't want to 515 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 3: be on the range trying to fix something that actually 516 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 3: we could go in that first step of equipment. Then 517 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 3: I go to pre shot routine, then set up, then 518 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 3: in swing, then drills, and so I understand the importance 519 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 3: of equipment. Because Tony's not a complainer. My kids aren't 520 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 3: a complainer, and sometimes that works a little bit in 521 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 3: their disadvantage, because hey, get into ping and pressing. Just 522 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 3: went yesterday, He's got he's going to Saint Andrews and 523 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 3: he noticed the driver isn't you know, doing exactly what 524 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: he wanted. He went in and he it came to 525 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 3: his mind because he likes to go in that same order. 526 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 3: So you a great player will adapt to their equipment, 527 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 3: even if it's slightly not fit for them. They'll figure 528 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 3: it out when there actually is a more optimal way. 529 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 3: So with Tony, as his swing changed, we had to 530 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 3: always constantly change little tweaks in his his equipment, else 531 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 3: it wouldn't give him the maximum gain. 532 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to do that with myself. I'll schedule 533 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: a time to go get fit so I can get 534 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: that outside perspective because I might struggle to Oh, it's me, 535 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 2: it's me, it's me, and then I could fix it 536 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: with the club. Yeah, for sure, you know what I mean. 537 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 2: One of the fun things we've done with Tony two 538 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 2: is work on his potting setup. Right, what have you 539 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 2: guys done there? We developed some cool tools, like with 540 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 2: our ipaying that live locked in live feature. What are 541 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 2: some some things you've done on his putting setup that 542 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: you guys work on. 543 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: So he's won five times with the PLD and he 544 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 3: hasn't switched it. And that's one thing is once you 545 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 3: find something that you like in equipment. That's one of 546 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 3: his goals each year the last two years is don't 547 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 3: switch putters because then he can diagnose when he gets off. 548 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 3: If that makes sense. When you're trying to change, you know, 549 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 3: the equipment every week, there's a eventually it is the 550 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 3: Indian not the ED. But you know, Tony has a 551 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 3: little bit different set up. Even the commentaries will be like, man, 552 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 3: his hands are so low and you're thinking he has 553 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: won four times in a year, like it's working for him. 554 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 3: Everyone sees a little bit different. It's kind of like 555 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 3: that Sevy biosteris where he had the toe quite a 556 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 3: bit up in the air. Wyndam Clark has the toe 557 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: quite a bit up in the air, and he just 558 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 3: feels he has such long arms that he has to 559 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 3: let him hang else he would be he would be 560 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 3: actually fit. So that's a cool thing with a fitting process. 561 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: He's six four. People think that he plays longer clubs. 562 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: He doesn't because his wrist to floor the way his 563 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 3: arms he's super long. So he plays standard link clubs 564 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,479 Speaker 3: and he has, you know, a little longer putter, but 565 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 3: that he grips down to the equivalent of what would 566 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 3: probably be a thirty three inch putter. So that's a 567 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 3: little bit of why he has the setup. How he 568 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 3: does is he feels a lot of tension when he 569 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 3: raises his hands to get a little higher, and so 570 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 3: everybody's a little bit different for sure. 571 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, boy, we appreciate the time. I know you 572 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: kind of go actually work with Tony on the golf course. 573 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: By the way, I always know that you're in the 574 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: All Black, even in Atlanta when it's gonna be on Degrease, 575 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: still going all black. But we appreciate the time. I 576 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: really do enjoy following you and the family and what 577 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: you guys do. It's an easy group to root for, 578 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: So continue the success and keep rocket and rolling. 579 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 3: Thanks Shane, Thanks Marty, and I appreciate you guys a 580 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 3: ton Like I said, my kids have been coming into 581 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 3: Ping since they were very, very young. And one of 582 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 3: the greatest things about Ping is, you know, my brother 583 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 3: was with Ping, my uncle was with Ping, I played Ping. 584 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 3: All the players of Oklahoma State played Ping. Ping is 585 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 3: a very loyal company. It doesn't matter how you're playing. 586 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 3: Once they try to, you know, once they choose to 587 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 3: support you, they do and it's made a huge difference 588 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 3: to my kids. That was actually a driving factor of 589 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 3: why my kids stayed and played at Arizona State is 590 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 3: because one of the things that helped them get there 591 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 3: was the support they had from from Ping, and they 592 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 3: always wanted that access to go down the road and 593 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 3: double check things. So we appreciate all the support from Ping, 594 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 3: from my family and obviously Tony and the clients. 595 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: That yeah, easy to drive down the street and get you, yeah, 596 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: you so much. This is the Ping podcast