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Speaker 1: This the One Bill's Live, presented by Call lighta health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome in to a Wednesday edition of One

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Speaker 2: Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Jaster with you on this

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Speaker 2: rainy Wednesday here in western New York. It's gonna rain

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Speaker 2: all day. But my yard needs to help.

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Speaker 3: Steve.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to grow grass seed for goodness sake, and

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna tell you the clock is ticking. If

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Speaker 2: I don't have sprouts of grass by Monday, my wife

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Speaker 2: is calling for sod, it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Don't do it.

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Speaker 3: Roll out the sod. That's what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm I think it's grass growing.

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Speaker 3: Weather, right, it's cold enough. We know that it's cold.

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Speaker 1: And warm and cold, and you know I have that,

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Speaker 1: you know, cold nights, warm days kind of thing. Sunshine,

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Speaker 1: lots of sunshon warm days.

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Speaker 3: Sunshine.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what.

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Speaker 1: Sunshine either, but yeah, it's grass growing.

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Speaker 2: So hopefully good luck to you. Hopefully I get results.

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Speaker 2: Cross your fingers and toes on my behalf. We'll jump

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Speaker 2: right into it, because happy twenty ninth birthday to one

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Speaker 2: Joshua Patrick Allen. Yeah, the League's MVP turns twenty nine today,

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Speaker 2: So have a day.

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Speaker 3: Have a day, have a day. Born on this date

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Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety six, don't turn thirty next year.

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Speaker 1: Last year of my NFL career he was born on.

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Speaker 1: That's how young he is.

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Speaker 3: Be good guy, plays and go bills.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: You played in the ninety seven season. Yeah, now that

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Speaker 2: was your last season, not ninety six.

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Speaker 1: Well it felt like it was my last season. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, Josh is yeah's ever you talk about a

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Speaker 1: guy who was you know, I remember this. I said

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Speaker 1: that you tak about all the all time quarterbacks, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Jack Camp, Jim and Josh. I said this, and

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Speaker 1: it's really true. No quarterback in the history league has

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Speaker 1: come in with more pressure on him to perform well

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Speaker 1: than Jim Kelly did. Josh was so polarizing. When he

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Speaker 1: was taken. Guys were on him. They thought, yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be great, and then people were obviously he was

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Speaker 1: the opposite to They were like, this guy sticks here,

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Speaker 1: you stupid for today he was horrible, and then they

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Speaker 1: had to double down when he started playing well, right,

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Speaker 1: you had these people, these fools that were doubling down

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Speaker 1: on their evaluation from looking at a stat sheet at

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Speaker 1: Wyoming thinking that's what was going to dictate his future,

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Speaker 1: and they had to double down on it. And you know,

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Speaker 1: both those guys, they're both I mean, I'll say it

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Speaker 1: right now, Josh is He's a Hall of Famer. He's

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Speaker 1: going to be on the Hall of Pro Football Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. He's done so many things that no other

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Speaker 1: quarterback has done, or being the first to do what

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Speaker 1: no other quarterback has done. First, guy with like this

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Speaker 1: many touchdowns in this many yards.

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Speaker 2: He's got more touchdowns than anybody in their first seven season,

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Speaker 2: anybody's ever.

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Speaker 1: He's fourth in rushing touchdowns since twenty fifteen of any

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Speaker 1: player in the league. And he was drafted in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 3: I mean the guys everybody else had a three year

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Speaker 3: head start.

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Speaker 1: I remember the guy that called in after Josh Josh's

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Speaker 1: debut debut performance. I think it was his first time

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Speaker 1: ever playing in Gillette Stadium, and I don't think they

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Speaker 1: won the game. They might have won the game, but

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Speaker 1: w E E. I calls a guy, you know, caller

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Speaker 1: from Boston, and then they he goes He's say called

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Speaker 1: he called Mac Jones an epithet. He goes, we got

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Speaker 1: that on our team and they got a monster. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we do. Josh is an absolute sea monster.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he's uh he enjoying his birthday on golf

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Speaker 2: course somewhere.

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Speaker 1: He is, uh yeah, he's with the Buffalo Bills. He's

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Speaker 1: making a pile of cash and he's earning every center

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Speaker 1: and they're in the Bills. Fan out there doesn't think

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Speaker 1: it's an absolute bargain guaranteeing him a couple of hundred.

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Speaker 2: Million, do it right? So a happy birthday. Around the

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Speaker 2: NFL news, Steven Boy was, there's some news today at

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Speaker 2: the NFL owners meetings.

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Speaker 3: This is it turned into Congress? Turned it to Congress.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that what social media was invented for days like this?

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: So the big news out of Minneapolis at the owner's

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Speaker 2: meetings is that, well, first, the first big news was

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Speaker 2: the Lion's proposal for revamping the playoff seating process to

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Speaker 2: simply one loss record was pulled. The Lions withdrew the

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Speaker 2: proposal as word came down late yesterday that it did

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Speaker 2: not have the required support. Reducing the importance of division

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Speaker 2: championships was one of the chief concerns, according to reports,

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Speaker 2: but NFL Network is reporting that there was extensive discussion

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Speaker 2: and it could lead to change in playoff seating rules

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Speaker 2: as soon as the twenty twenty sixth season.

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Speaker 3: So while the proposal was pulled because.

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Speaker 2: The knew they weren't gonna have the votes, it was

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Speaker 2: gonna fail, they said, you know, let's just scrap it.

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Speaker 3: You know, we'll revisit it next year.

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Speaker 2: And sounds like it at least sparked discussion and debate

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Speaker 2: to the point where it may have legs come this

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Speaker 1: Brownie and I solved the entire issue when we were

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Speaker 1: sitting at our desk this morning, chit chatting bunting for it.

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Speaker 1: So what they should do is, if you win your division,

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Speaker 1: you're in the playoffs. That's it, you're in. But once

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Speaker 1: all eight or seven playoff teams are set, now you

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Speaker 1: receed number one seed, two seed, three seed. The division

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Speaker 1: winner could be the eight seed depending on the other

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Speaker 1: divisions and their winners, and.

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Speaker 2: Then after everybody advances to the divisional round, reced again.

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Speaker 1: Can do that if you want, Oh you mean so, if.

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Speaker 3: So, if you have, what will that get you?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a chance. Well, I guess it really wouldn't. Well, no,

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Speaker 2: probably nothing would change because you're still operating under the

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Speaker 2: same guidelines that you did to see them in the

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Speaker 2: first place, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, all right, So you don't have to reced and

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Speaker 3: you can't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think in the proposal that the Lions had, there

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Speaker 2: was the tie breaker was division champion.

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Speaker 3: Like Lions are twelve and five and you know.

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Speaker 2: The Cardinals are twelve and five, But the Lions won

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Speaker 2: their division and the Cardinals didn't, So the Lions will

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Speaker 2: get the higher seed. That was the only change. That

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Speaker 2: was the only impetus for winning the division proposal.

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Speaker 1: I think you win the division, that's what gets it

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Speaker 1: gets you, you get get in the playoffs. It guarantees

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Speaker 1: you nothing after that without a good record. Because I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's appropriate to penalize ownership in this case,

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Speaker 1: I guess you could put an ownership for not having

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Speaker 1: a all four of those owners in that division for

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Speaker 1: having stinky products. No team in that division is good.

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Speaker 1: So your your division winner is eight seed.

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Speaker 2: See, and I would argue that if because I was

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Speaker 2: talking about this the other day, if a division winner

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Speaker 3: You don't get it, Sorry, Charlie.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that could be. I get on board with that.

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Speaker 3: Now, it's under five hundred.

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Speaker 1: And when they go when they go to eighteen games,

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Speaker 1: they could be nine to nine. Still get in, right,

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Speaker 1: seven and ten or no, eight and ten, they don't

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Speaker 1: get in eight public math eight and ten, they don't get.

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Speaker 3: In, then well you're on in eighteen games.

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Speaker 1: You're already preaty.

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Speaker 3: Fast forward to eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Well, because you know there's a chance they go five hundred,

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Speaker 1: they can't go five hundred and to seventeen games.

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Speaker 3: Under five hundred. Yeah, so under five, if.

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Speaker 1: They're under five hundred, is division winner. I'm a yeah,

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Speaker 1: kick them out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, go raise your feet, because I'll tell you.

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Speaker 1: What, there's gonna be other teams that are going to

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Speaker 1: be ten and seven right, and they deserve it.

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Speaker 3: Because if eight and nine is good enough to win

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Speaker 3: your division, your division is.

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Speaker 1: It's your owners, you guys.

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Speaker 3: All division is garb.

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Speaker 1: Your division is garbage. And what would be an appropriate fine,

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Speaker 1: Let's say you're finding a team now, yeah, what would

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Speaker 1: be an appropriate course of action for the league to

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Speaker 1: take to I have finger, folks, punish or for an

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think they would ever do that. They

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Speaker 2: would find not seeing the playoffs is punishment enough. You

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Speaker 2: weren't good enough to make it. Thanks for coming, go home,

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Speaker 2: raise your division flag, but you were eight and nine

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Speaker 3: Thank you better luck next year. That's punishment enough.

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Speaker 1: I think so too. So we're talking about something it's

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Speaker 1: happened like once in our lifetime, right, I think a

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Speaker 1: few times, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Less than a seven and nine that won the division

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Speaker 2: one year in the NFC West, and then there were

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Speaker 2: a couple other instances where a sub five hundred team

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Speaker 2: it doesn't happen often, you're right, but probably three times,

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Speaker 2: I want to say, in the last fifty years. Other

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Speaker 2: owner meetings, news preserving the two bush push had an

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Speaker 2: eleventh hour lobbying effort from both former Eagle center Jason

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Speaker 3: Kelsey refuted claims that he retired because of the dangers

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Speaker 3: of the tush push play.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Louriy apparently spoke for more than thirty minutes in

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Speaker 2: owners meetings on the subject. In the end, the late

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Speaker 2: ban the play and any other plays in which a

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Speaker 2: ball carrier is assisted with pushing from a teammate, did

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Speaker 2: not get the required support. According to reports, ten teams

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Speaker 2: the general session a vote was not made, they reduced

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Speaker 2: ranks to just the owners in a privileged session where

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Speaker 2: the vote was taken. Among the teams that reportedly voted

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Speaker 2: against the proposal, the Ravens, Patriots, Jets, and Lions are

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Speaker 2: teams that are known to have voted to keep the

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Speaker 2: tush push in the game. So the tush push survives

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Speaker 2: an onslaught of criticism and not to be outdone, the

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Speaker 2: social media team for the Philadelphia Eagles was at the

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Speaker 2: ready as soon as this vote came down and the

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Speaker 2: tush push survived. Their first tweet was a photo of

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts under center against the Packers who submitted the

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Speaker 2: proposal to get rid of the play to begin with,

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Speaker 2: and it just says at the top of the photo

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Speaker 2: push on with the Eagles logo. Subsequent posts had twenty

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Speaker 2: six minutes on a YouTube channel of all of the

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Speaker 2: Eagles tush push plays.

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Speaker 3: In succession twenty six minutes.

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Speaker 2: And then there is the added allure now of the

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Speaker 2: Week ten game, Eagles at Packers in Green Bay on

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Speaker 2: Monday Night football.

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Speaker 1: If Philly holds to form, then the opening play first

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Speaker 1: and ten, after a touchback and the kicking, the Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: Eels come out on a first and ten play, first

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Speaker 1: play the game, run the touch push, let's go right.

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Speaker 3: That's what this feels like. I'm just gonna tell you

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Speaker 3: that's what this feels like.

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Speaker 2: If you want to laugh, go to the Eagles social

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Speaker 2: media account and look up the comments after one of

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Speaker 2: these posts. One guy says in that Packers game, they

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh my gosh, these people are off the

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Speaker 1: Let's get it all. Yeah. I love it. It's we're laughing

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Speaker 2: Right back in two thousand and five, you could not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the two teams that have benefited from this play

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Speaker 2: Do you think he tells Joe Brady take it out

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Speaker 3: Usually running over the guard, over the guards.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that change doesn't seem like.

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Speaker 1: Their backfield does the exact same thing as Philly either.

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering with with him so clear about his

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Speaker 1: It might it might be more media speak to like

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Speaker 3: Well don't want the real I don't know if coach

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Speaker 2: I mean, that guy is principled and honest to human

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he thinks it's you know, good or bad.

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Speaker 1: You don't take it out. No, he's not gonna take

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a breaking Bills news here, as apparently

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Speaker 2: NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has just announced the Bills will

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Speaker 2: participate in Hard Knocks during training camp and the NFC

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Speaker 2: East will be the division that has the in season

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Speaker 1: So Bills are on Hard Knocks and training camp for

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Speaker 3: Hopefully it means good things. I don't know, means a

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Speaker 1: The Bills are on Hard Knocks.

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Speaker 2: For the first time ever. Wow, they have for a

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Speaker 1: Coach the guy we have been talking about, Sean McDermott,

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Speaker 1: you can picture him stiff arming this. He's like, we

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Speaker 1: don't want any part of that. That is right. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Yeah it is. That's big and the yeah, yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: So that just came down at the ownership meetings in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 3: The Bills will participate in hard knocks during training camp.

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Speaker 1: All right, so the tinfoil hats are out, let me

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Speaker 3: Oh, get out of here with that.

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Speaker 1: You know they're going to be out there. Come on,

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Speaker 1: we want the MVP on hard knocks. Come on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: make an appearance. They'll try yourself. Oh, they will jump

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Speaker 3: Yes, oh, here is here is some other interesting news.

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Speaker 2: At the suggestion and lobbying of former offensive tackle Andrew Whitworth,

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Speaker 2: Andrew Whitworth after the NFL Honors said, there should be

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Speaker 3: Protector of the Year award.

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Speaker 2: So offensive lineman will now be honored at NFL Honors

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Speaker 4: I kind of like that.

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Speaker 1: I remember Kent holl God rest his soul. He was

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Speaker 1: He was important to all of us. We lost him

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Speaker 1: all too early. He said, it's the only position in

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm all for it. I'm all for it. I

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Speaker 3: But oh like award a line, yes, and not at

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Speaker 1: But I think then, I think the problem is not

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Speaker 1: I think then it would become a statistical.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it may.

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Speaker 2: It may gravitate toward offensive tackles who are perceived to

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Speaker 1: It would be a left tackle. It'll be a left

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Speaker 3: So that's good. It's a good development.

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Speaker 2: Wrapping up the owner's meeting's results, one proposal that did

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Speaker 2: pass was the expansion of attempting an onside kick to

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Speaker 2: the success rate of recoveries from a paltry six percent

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Speaker 1: Cat's that's the problem.

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Speaker 3: That's the I don't think you can fix it.

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Speaker 1: Surprise on side kicks are recovered at an alarmingly higher

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Speaker 3: I don't think you can fix this one.

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Speaker 2: Because you've changed the kickoff with a different alignment for

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Speaker 2: You've taken out the element of surprise. In my estimation,

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Speaker 1: Here's why the surprise on side kicks or you're not.

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Speaker 1: You don't always have to be trailing for one thing.

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Speaker 3: We'll have your regular return to That's just it.

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Speaker 1: They got, They got a guy who you suspect is

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Speaker 1: and you and you talk your head coach on you. Hey,

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Speaker 1: You got to do all that you got to find

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Speaker 1: it's not there because it's a different guy. It's you.

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Speaker 1: When you throw the surprise on side kick in there,

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Speaker 3: But that all goes away without being able to surprise

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Speaker 2: If they improve the six percent recovery rate form last year,

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be and the only reason it might be a

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Speaker 3: It can be any time you're behind, and it.

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Speaker 1: Might be yeah, instead of six percent, I'll bet it's

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Speaker 1: seven seven, Yeah, seven point five something like that. It's

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Speaker 1: it'll be ridiculous and because yeah, it's not gonna happen

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Speaker 1: that much.

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Speaker 2: Final bit of around the NFL news, former Giants pass

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Speaker 2: rusher and Pro Football Hall of Famer Michael Strahan confirmed

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Speaker 2: that he does have an interest in becoming a minority

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Speaker 2: partner in the New York Giants franchise. We just saw

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Speaker 2: Charles Woodson get a minority stake in the Cleveland Browns,

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Speaker 2: Ohio native and now Michael Strahan has confirmed that he

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Speaker 2: is trying to become a minority partner with the Giants franchise.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting.

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Speaker 3: I think you're gonna see this more and more.

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Speaker 1: I think so too. For one, most of these minority owners,

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Speaker 1: they don't get anything out of it except good tickets.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 1: That they get no say in the organization, they don't

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Speaker 1: get access to the organization. They don't get anything, you know,

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Speaker 1: they don't get anything. They get they get a you know,

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Speaker 1: a friendship with the owner basically. But what it is

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Speaker 1: for them obviously is at some point when the team

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Speaker 1: has bought or sold, you get the growth. I mean

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Speaker 1: reportedly the Pagoula has paid one point four billion for

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Speaker 1: the bills and it's valued now with a new stateium

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Speaker 1: and you know, five billion. So you get that growth

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Speaker 1: on your If you give them a dollar, you're going

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Speaker 1: to get two and a half dollars back on your investment.

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Speaker 1: And for people with money they need someplace to park.

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Speaker 1: It's fun. Yeah, you get tickets to the games, you

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Speaker 1: get you get your name on the ownership list. You

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Speaker 1: get it. You know, you're in part of a cool club.

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Speaker 1: It's bay. It's better. It's better than a you know,

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Speaker 1: than a fund. Sure, you know, probably safer too.

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Speaker 3: It's a pretty save investment, I would say.

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Speaker 1: So you get the growth and the notoriety and whatever

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Speaker 1: perks that you get, which is not that many. Hey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that is around the NFL presented by Kalida Healthy,

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Speaker 2: Official Healthcare System of the Buffalo.

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Speaker 3: Bill's topic of discussion.

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Speaker 2: For you today, what would you do with the NFL

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Speaker 2: rules if you were an owner? Eight oh three oh

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Speaker 2: five point fifty one eight eight five fifty two five

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Speaker 2: fifty the number to get on board. We all have them, right,

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Speaker 2: the rules in the rule book that we don't like.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we deem something too punitive or not punitive enough,

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Speaker 2: or maybe there's something off the field that you would

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Speaker 2: like to see changed. You're an NFL owner for a day,

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Speaker 2: what would you do with the NFL rules to.

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Speaker 3: Change things in your mind for the better?

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Speaker 2: Eight oh three, oh five fifty one, eight eight five

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Speaker 2: fifty two, five fifty Those are the numbers to get

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Speaker 2: on board. We lead off today with Mike in Hamburg.

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Speaker 2: What do you got for his Mike here on one

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Speaker 2: of Bill's lives.

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Speaker 3: To drop the phone?

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Speaker 5: Mike, Yeah, I know, I think I'm here.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Okay, I got a couple of questions. Number one,

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Speaker 6: Steve Uh. Everyone says that the one of the greatest

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Speaker 6: defensive backs of all time is Dion Sanders. Okay, he

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Speaker 6: in my opinion, he is probably one of the greatest

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Speaker 6: cover guys, but he is not one of the greatest

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Speaker 6: beat defensive bats because he could never tackle. Here's my question, UH,

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Speaker 6: how come the ownership and the rules committee change the

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Speaker 6: rules where the defensive player cannot attack an offensive player

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Speaker 6: blocking uh, like a tackle or a guard when UH

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Speaker 6: or even or I'm sorry, or even h or even

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Speaker 6: uh uh a wide receiver when when there's a when

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Speaker 6: there's a run going on, or a screenplayer that going on.

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Speaker 6: Because the difference the offensive line is just so big

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Speaker 6: and the defensive backs are small. They can turn around

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Speaker 6: and make a tackle by hitting you below the knees,

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Speaker 6: but they can't, uh, they can't cover the uh cover

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Speaker 6: the block by hitting below the knees. And I don't

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Speaker 6: think that's right. I think that ruins the game.

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Speaker 1: You mean, defenders coming up and taking on a block low.

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Speaker 7: That is correct.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that did get right, That did get taken out

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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't do that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: Well, one of the reasons is obviously guys are vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: Guys are vulnerable.

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Speaker 6: What about the what about those low tackles that are

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Speaker 6: that that the defensive backs make on the on the receivers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the ball carriers.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. If you've got if you've got

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Speaker 1: the ball, Mike, you're not as big. If you've got

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Speaker 1: the ball, you expect, you're expecting to get hit. If

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Speaker 1: you're helping another guy who has the ball, they're trying

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Speaker 1: to get to the ball, not necessarily, so you're not

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Speaker 1: as keenly aware of getting hit. So that's the difference.

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Speaker 6: Does it make sense you've got a three hundred and

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Speaker 6: thirty pound lineman going up against defensive let's let's say

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Speaker 6: a corner that weighs one to ninety. It don't make sense.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I don't know what your issue.

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Speaker 1: I mean, big guys and little guys play the game.

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Speaker 1: Big guys and little guys play the game together, so

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Speaker 1: you're always going to get stuff like that happening.

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Speaker 6: Well, I get that, but I and I think that's great.

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Speaker 6: But the thing is that I think they should also be,

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Speaker 6: you know, be able to have an opera coutunity to

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Speaker 6: make a play. And the best way to do that

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Speaker 6: is to take is to take the guard of the

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Speaker 6: tackle out of the play and then the safety or

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Speaker 6: even a line decker comes up and makes the play.

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Speaker 1: Right taking using your body to take out a big

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Speaker 1: blocker and letting somebody else make the tackle. I get that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the difference is you can do that, but it's just

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Speaker 1: like everything else. It's like the defenders who are prohibited

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Speaker 1: from hitting the guy high and knocking him off balance

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Speaker 1: because it's illegal to go high on his on the

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Speaker 1: offensive player and it's just and it's illegal for defensive

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Speaker 1: players to grab a guy by the collar and pull

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Speaker 1: him down and throw his leg and his weight on

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Speaker 1: the back of the guy's legs. There are restrictions in

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Speaker 1: every action in the game and it's all it is

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Speaker 1: is for player safety, and and I get it. It

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Speaker 1: does take away the ability for I'll say this, Mike,

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Speaker 1: don't don't sell little guys short. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: they're gonna come up and lift a three hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty pounder off his feet and throw them back into

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Speaker 1: the ball carr or anything like that. But you can

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Speaker 1: figure out a way to make that block or miss

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Speaker 1: you and still make the play that you don't. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's difficult, it's hard, but that's that's your job, right

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Speaker 1: and they'll figure out a way to do it. And

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Speaker 1: if you can't, well, good on the offense, because you

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Speaker 1: know you they've got you no place where you can't win.

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Speaker 1: I'm not yeah, I don't. I don't feel bad for

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Speaker 1: a dB who comes up and has to figure out

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Speaker 1: a way around a three hundred pound or that they

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Speaker 1: can do that. That's their job, and it's not easy

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Speaker 1: and it's no fun if you don't get it done.

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Speaker 2: You know what else isn't fun? Throwing yourself under the

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Speaker 2: wheels of the chariot either.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I've done that too, so yeah, I mean that's I

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Speaker 1: get it. You can kind of protect yourself and you

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Speaker 1: feel like you got a chance to live through it

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Speaker 1: when you do that. But maybe it's surprises you that

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Speaker 1: I'm not that simple pathetic towards it.

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Speaker 2: I think the other thing you have to remember too,

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Speaker 2: is in this day and age, if ownership and the

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Speaker 2: competition committee believes one hundred percent that it's in the

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Speaker 2: best interest of player safety or secondarily favors scoring, yeah

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Speaker 2: and points, they're going to pass it. It's just I mean,

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Speaker 2: look at the last several rules, Like when's the last

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Speaker 2: time the league passed a rule that favors the defense.

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Speaker 1: The thing that's going to get very rare. The thing

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Speaker 1: it's going to get difficult is this. If you go

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Speaker 1: back I say this all the time, and I refer

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Speaker 1: to it a lot. You go back and watch NFL

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Speaker 1: films and we all know what that company is. They're

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Speaker 1: the ones that do the montage and John Fucenda's voice

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Speaker 1: is there. You go back and watch some of the

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Speaker 1: stuff from the nineteen sixties and seventies, and the NFL

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Speaker 1: was barbaric. It's startling how physical and what they got

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Speaker 1: away with in the game under the rules. Lines, close lines,

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Speaker 1: chop blocks, everything, everything and everything it was. It's striking

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Speaker 1: how brutal the game was. And let's face it, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of why it gained popularity. People like to see

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Speaker 1: it now. The needle that the NFL is trying to thread,

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Speaker 1: and it's difficult and getting more difficult, is to keep

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Speaker 1: that physicality in some form on the field in the

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Speaker 1: game and be very important to the game and still

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Speaker 1: have a semblance of credibility when it comes to player safety.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they can't just throw these guys into a

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Speaker 1: tree grinder and hope that they come out in one piece.

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Speaker 1: It's just not going to happen. So they're trying to

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Speaker 1: make it as safe as they can. And there's a

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Speaker 1: double edge store to that too. If you take Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen out of the game, the Buffalo Bills aren't as compelling.

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Speaker 1: You take Lamar Jackson, you take Joe Burrow, mahomes all

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Speaker 1: that they want stars on the field. That's why they

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Speaker 1: protect quarterbacks, that's why they've done all that. All that

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Speaker 1: stuff plays into this and it's a hard needle to thread.

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Speaker 1: But as you know, if the success of the league

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Speaker 1: is any indication they're getting it right.

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Speaker 3: Break time for us. Here more of your phone calls.

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Speaker 3: When we come back. What would you do with the

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Speaker 3: NFL rules if you were an owner? Your calls?

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Speaker 2: Next here on one Bill's Live, stay with us. What

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Speaker 2: would you do with the NFL rules if you were

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Speaker 2: an NFL owner?

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Speaker 3: Ado three zero five fifty.

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Speaker 2: The number to get on board, and we do have

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Speaker 2: open lines for you. But we go to Ron in

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Speaker 2: Buffalo next. What's up, Ron?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: How you doing? I understand the kickoff rule with the

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Speaker 9: out to the thirty is to punish the kicking team,

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Speaker 9: But I think I think anything out of the end

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Speaker 9: or kickbacks or touchbacks should only come out to the

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Speaker 9: twenty twenty five. And as far as the touch push,

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Speaker 9: I think maybe a rule maybe you could only use it,

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Speaker 9: like maybe once or twice a game. Oh, put a

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Speaker 9: limit out, Yeah, put a limit on it. You know,

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Speaker 9: see where that goes?

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Speaker 2: Ron, Just so you know, the touchbacks coming out to

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Speaker 2: the thirty five.

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Speaker 10: Now, well, I you know, I'm dead set against that,

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Speaker 10: because these guys are professional athletes. They should work for

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Speaker 10: the yardage to get.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's I think that's the design.

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Speaker 2: By making the touchback the thirty five, they're forcing the

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Speaker 2: kicking team to put it in play to get more returns,

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Speaker 2: to make it a more entertaining play. And that's and

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Speaker 2: that's putting it on your athletes on the kicking team

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Speaker 2: to go make a tackle, right, all.

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Speaker 9: Right, Well, what about pushing it? I mean, wasn't a

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Speaker 9: kickoff at the twenty five? At one time it was well,

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Speaker 9: push it back and you'll get more No.

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Speaker 1: No, he's talking about kicking it from that. You didn't

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Speaker 1: kick it.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about kicking it off.

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Speaker 1: No, you didn't kick it off from the twenty five.

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Speaker 1: You know it used to be the forty.

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Speaker 9: You get more balls and play.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're doing a different version of that, actually, but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it also has it and I get it.

662
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Speaker 1: Here's the problem I mean with the and once again

663
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: we've been talking about player safety. They moved the coverage

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Speaker 1: team way down the field already, so the ball and

665
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Speaker 1: they can't move until the ball lands or it was touched.

666
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Speaker 1: So I get what you're saying. The only way that

667
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Speaker 1: works for you. It doesn't matter where you kick it

668
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Speaker 1: from in that case, you know what I'm saying. Why

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Speaker 1: you can kick it from the five, but you still

670
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Speaker 1: got to reach past the twenty.

671
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Speaker 3: Because your cover team is all the way down the field.

672
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Speaker 1: Your coverage team is already down there. The things that

673
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: you're talking about have to do with guys getting running

674
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Speaker 1: starts and trying to chase the thing. Nowadays they don't

675
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Speaker 1: have to chase it. It's different, Yeah, and that changes

676
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Speaker 1: the dynamic of what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: They're more than halfway there already. Let's go to Butcher

678
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Speaker 3: and Williamsville next.

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Speaker 11: What's up Butcher Williamsville.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, That's what it said.

681
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Speaker 12: I love you, I love you more. My brother's another mother.

682
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 12: I love you man the MSG I love him as

683
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 12: I love w Jackson. The fans who listen and watch

684
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 12: Butchs from the East Side definitely love me. Now Williams

685
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Speaker 12: Will I love you. But let me just get right

686
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Speaker 12: to it, man. I'll joke aside. I'm like this offense

687
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 12: means attack, defens means to protect the defensive coaches. Offensive

688
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 12: coach is gonna have to get into the lab room,

689
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 12: the lab, exactly the lab, and gotta figure out how

690
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Speaker 12: to do this. My thing is, I'm gonna just make

691
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 12: a scenario, just safe hypothetically. Now, this fourth and inchest

692
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 12: is easy to do. Say it's fourth and one or

693
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Speaker 12: fourth and two. I just spread everybody to bring full

694
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Speaker 12: wide receivers. I'll spread everybody out. Let Jos go and

695
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 12: shotgun Jis might do an audible walk up to the center.

696
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 12: Just snap the ball and just get it, eat the

697
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 12: first down, just get it over with. It's not that serious,

698
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Speaker 12: you know what I mean when no disrespect to you, Chris,

699
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 12: But when Steve didn't play, it wasn't all of this.

700
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 12: It wasn't all of this used to make the play

701
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 12: you got. If it's inches, if this is a yard,

702
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 12: just get the yard. If you get stopped, you get stop,

703
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 12: play defense and get it right back and try it again.

704
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Speaker 12: So I'm believe you know, I'm not gonna be upset

705
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 12: about what the owners voted against. It's about the players,

706
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 12: it's about the scheme. It's about the game. That's what

707
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Speaker 12: it's about. So anyway, I'm gonna move off of that

708
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 12: but this is what my serious thing is right now.

709
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 12: On our football team, we like Steve Chris, you guys

710
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 12: already know, we already talked about how competitive it's gonna

711
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 12: be on the defensive bags, the defensive line, the receiver's

712
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 12: room coming in training camp. My main concern is what

713
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Speaker 12: about the quarterback room. We know we got an Ace

714
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Speaker 12: and Josh. I'm not gonna put it all on Jos's

715
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Speaker 12: but hypothetical, like Steve always said, Steve, Steven's Christy two,

716
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Speaker 12: you've been saying it too. If Josh go down like

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Speaker 12: Steven and you both said, it's.

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Speaker 4: Over, I don't want that to be that scenario.

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Speaker 12: I want the Buffalo billis to look at the situation

720
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Speaker 12: to get the proper and the best backup quarterback. So

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Speaker 12: with all this talent, all this money, we donne spend

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Speaker 12: that if hypothetically Josh has an ankle injury whatever, I

723
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Speaker 12: pray to God that he doesn't have none of that.

724
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Speaker 12: But hypothetical is the du we have someone that can

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Speaker 12: make the fan base rally around and keep this train

726
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Speaker 12: moving into the King gets back.

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Speaker 4: That's all.

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Speaker 12: But I love you guys, thanks for taking my call.

729
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 12: Semi regards to your family, I love each and ever

730
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Speaker 12: you wanting you to thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think part of the issue for

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Speaker 2: some teams anyway, in terms of having a strong, dependable

733
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Speaker 2: number two quarterback where the drop off isn't severe, it's

734
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Speaker 2: more difficult than ever because the frontline guys, if you've

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Speaker 2: got a superstar, are gobbling up so much of the

736
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Speaker 2: cap already. Then you're trying to distribute your moneys elsewhere

737
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Speaker 2: on the roster so you don't have holes. And sometimes

738
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Speaker 2: where you make a sacrifice it is at your number

739
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Speaker 2: two quarterback spot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy ain't out there. You're mean, if Josh goes,

741
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Speaker 1: there ain't another Josh Allen. There ain't mean there's people.

742
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Speaker 3: Out there that are gonna say, well, what about Steve Young?

743
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Speaker 3: Is he backed up Joe Montana.

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Speaker 1: There is not a Hall of Famer in waiting to

745
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Speaker 1: back up Josh Allen like there was with Steve Young

746
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Speaker 1: and Joe Montana all that stuff that was. It's just

747
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: not out there. You can you there may be a

748
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Speaker 1: way to find a different recipe to win games without

749
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Speaker 1: Josh when Mitch Trubisky comes in, or Shane Bouchelle or

750
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Speaker 1: you name it. But the guy who is the people

751
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: who are available to be backup quarterbacks in the NFL

752
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: do not at this point, does not contain anybody that

753
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Speaker 1: is not going to severely, at the very least severely

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Speaker 1: compromise your offensive capabilities. There's just the guy's not there.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't exist. If he does exist, he's playing for

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Speaker 1: another team. He's not available, and it's not worth trading

757
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Speaker 1: for the guy because there are no guarantees.

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Speaker 2: And as far as your comments, butch on, you know,

759
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: the tush push staying alive in the league. I think

760
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Speaker 2: that is what the league and the ownership is saying.

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Speaker 2: Let's not get rid of it yet. Let's rely on

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Speaker 2: our coaching staffs to find a way to stop that play.

763
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Speaker 2: And if there still isn't a solution for it, then

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Speaker 2: maybe we'll revisit it in the future.

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget too. It's a short yardage play and

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Speaker 1: most of the time you kind of feel like you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get a short yards gain anyway, even if you're

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Speaker 1: not using the tush push, and it's the play's never

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Speaker 1: gonna snap off a ninety eight yard touchdown run, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just not gonna do that. So most

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Speaker 1: teams are like all, if we're gonna give them up

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Speaker 1: a first down or right whatever, we'll do it a

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Speaker 1: different way. It's just not a and certainly I get it.

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Speaker 1: When you get inside the two yard line or the

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Speaker 1: one yard line, if you're the Eagles, you feel like

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Speaker 1: you got a touchdown. And that's not always the case

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Speaker 1: in large measure with other teams. They're not that confident.

778
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: But every team is thinking we're gonna score here. So

779
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: if they don't, they point it to themselves, say we

780
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: should have done better. And if we don't stop them,

781
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: we should have done better. That kind of thing. If

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Speaker 1: you're telling me there's a team that's defenseless once they

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00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: give up, once they get down to the one yard line,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. You have a hard time getting I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of with Butcher on this one. I'm neither here

786
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: nor there with a tush push. It's one play. Even

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Speaker 1: if a team runs it like the Bills did. They

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Speaker 1: ran like what six times or seven times in the

789
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Speaker 1: AF So that's you know, and they got we all believe,

790
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm Bills fans all believe they got, you know, jobbed

791
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: by the officials on the spot on the one that

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Speaker 1: really mattered. Not only on the fourth down, but also

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Speaker 1: on the third down. So I'm you know, yeah, I'm

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00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: it's so much to do about nothing to me, it's

795
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: a short yardage play. Let it stand, figure it out,

796
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: do better?

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Speaker 3: Break time here, Mari, your phone calls.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, Fast in Cheek Towago will lead

799
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Speaker 2: us off here on One Bill's Live, presented by a

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00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: lot of health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back

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00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you.

802
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: What would you do with the NFL rules if you

803
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: were an owner? Right back to the phones, we go

804
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: to faz in Cheek to Wago. What do you got

805
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 2: for us?

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Speaker 13: Hey guys, it's fuss how you do?

807
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Speaker 14: It's okay, all right, One quick thing. I want to

808
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 14: let Steve know that next year when the stadium opens,

809
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 14: they're going to put you in the NFL Hall of Fame,

810
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 14: so you can be put up on the wall along

811
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Speaker 14: with the Super Bowl banner. It'll be a double ceremony.

812
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 14: But as far as these owners partial owners, nothing has

813
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 14: ever mentioned about the numbers. These teams are worth billions

814
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 14: and billions of dollars, and these players probably don't have

815
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 14: billions of dollars laying around. Do you have any idea

816
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 14: what the amount of the ownership is that they actually have,

817
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 14: Like Tom Brady in La.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's been purported reported that Brady's got like

819
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: a less than ten percent, you know.

820
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Speaker 2: And I know Charles Woodson's share of the Browns is point.

821
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: One percent point one percent. I mean, so basically he's

822
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, he's.

823
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Speaker 2: It's like, hey, I've got one hundred million dollars. Well

824
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: that'll get you point one percent of the franchise. Thanks

825
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: for coming.

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Speaker 1: We'll take your point.

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Speaker 14: One but yeah, so no, no voting stocks, no nothing.

828
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 14: It's kind of a glamor thing like that.

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Speaker 1: That's correct. It's an investment vehicle.

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Speaker 4: All right, Steve.

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Speaker 14: Looking forward to you next year when the stadium opens,

832
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 14: being up on the wall in the NFL Hall of Fame.

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00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I mean he's already on the Hall of

834
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Speaker 2: Fame here and has been for what fourteen years now,

835
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,959
Speaker 2: I think, so, yeah, but hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: Sure, we'll sign up for that. Let's go to Brian

837
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: in Florida. What do you got for us? Brian?

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Speaker 15: Hey, first off, I want to guarantee the Bills to

839
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Speaker 15: win the Super Bowl this year because I live in Cresview, Florida,

840
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Speaker 15: and I had eight inches of snow in my front

841
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 15: yard this year.

842
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: Well that's got you convinced.

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00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the time.

844
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Speaker 15: But the point of my phone call was there's been

845
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Speaker 15: a lot of talking this week about, you know, mixing

846
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 15: up the playoff scenarios and you know, the seating and

847
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Speaker 15: all that. I don't think that you should punish a

848
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 15: divisional winner by taking away their home game, even if

849
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 15: they've got a poor record. Just I mean, it's hard

850
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Speaker 15: to win the league if they won the division, canons

851
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 15: are the whole division is really bad? And then there's

852
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 15: also the what if your starting quarterback goes down with

853
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 15: a season ending injury mid season, but you're still able

854
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Speaker 15: to hang on and win the division. Like I just

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Speaker 15: I just don't think that.

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Speaker 1: That's fair to do.

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Speaker 2: That that's not a bad scenario to bring to the No.

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Speaker 2: I disagree to the argument.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, Brian, but I don't know

861
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Speaker 1: why just because you're the best of a bad bunch

862
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: do you get special treatment.

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Speaker 15: Well, I don't see how it's special. It's been the

864
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 15: rules since the Super Bowl became a thing.

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Speaker 1: They've always done it. And you do get treated special

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Speaker 1: for a division title, no matter if your division stinks.

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Speaker 1: And even if you've got a division where you got

868
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Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions and the Chicago Bears for decades couldn't

869
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Speaker 1: get out of their own way, and Minnesota and Green Bay,

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Speaker 1: I mean just made hey and had it easy. They

871
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: didn't have to even have a good team and they

872
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Speaker 1: and they were winning the division because the Bears and

873
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Speaker 1: the Lions stunk. Now that's not that case right this moment,

874
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: but you and then look at the the AFC North.

875
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: They've got like three teams in their division, and the

876
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, you know, so you're and then look at

877
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: the inn AFC South, the Indianapolis Colts, the Jacksonville Jaguars,

878
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans, I mean, I mean, come on, the

879
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. You get and I'm telling you and I

880
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: get it. Some everybody goes through cycles. I mean, the

881
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: Bills are the or one of the worst culprits over

882
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: the course of the drought where they couldn't get to

883
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: the playoffs.

884
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 3: Oh, they all said Tom Brady in their.

885
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: Division, but you yeah, and the New England Patriots are

886
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: beating the Jets, the Dolphins post Dan Marino, and the

887
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: Bills who couldn't get to the playoff. I mean the Patriots,

888
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: but what happened made an entire history of their franchise

889
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: on three horrible teams.

890
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: Bills were in a division with Tom Brady who beat

891
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: him more than thirty times in his career. Do the

892
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: Bills get to get to the postseason once in that

893
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: seventeen year stretch if they're not in the AFC East.

894
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: If they're in the AFC South. Yeah, Yeah.

895
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just you're the victim of where you're at.

896
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine. You're not a victim in this case.

897
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: In you're the case you're proposing, that's not a victim.

898
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: You get all the perks and garnets being a fifteen

899
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: and two team. Yeah, yeah, we're nine and we're eight

900
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: and nine.

901
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: You don't get all the perks because fifteen and two

902
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: team usually as a bye usually THEMBRE was a fourteen

903
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: and three team last year that did not They didn't

904
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: even have a home game, So there you go.

905
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 3: They were fifty.

906
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: Think about that. It's hard to win games, Oh is it?

907
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: They went fourteen to three. It wasn't hard for them though.

908
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, and they're on the road for their first

909
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 3: playoff game, and Lou that's to.

910
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: Me, that's unfair. That's really unfair. So I think it's

911
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: unfair the other way. Not the division time the division

912
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: means to me, That doesn't The division doesn't mean anything

913
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: except to take it to the playoffs. That doesn't guarantee you.

914
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: That should be your reward. You get to go to

915
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: the postseason. Congratulations, you won the division. Now you're getting

916
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: stacked up against some teams who really got it going on,

917
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get seated the way you deserve to

918
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: be seated among that group, not this, not not the.

919
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 3: Sisters of the pool that your brethren in the AFC.

920
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: That's right, you're getting You're getting stacked up against the

921
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: teams that really got a good season going on. That's

922
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: how it should be to me. And I think, and

923
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: I think I'm right.

924
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 3: You might be wrong, but you doubt it.

925
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: I doubt that I'm wrong.

926
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: Great time for us here, our number two will continue

927
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: with your phone calls. We're wide open for the rest

928
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 2: of the show here, so we'll lead off with Mark

929
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: and Dockton and others holding at eight oh three oh

930
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Speaker 2: five fifty. We will get to you in the next segment.

931
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Speaker 2: What would you do with the NFL rules if you

932
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: were an owner? More of your phone calls. Next here

933
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live presented by colid of Health. It's

934
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills Radio. This this one Bills Live presented by

935
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: Calllida Health. All Right, second hour here on a Wednesday,

936
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: Chris Brown speed tasker with you and topic a discussion,

937
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: what would you do with the NFL rules if you

938
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 2: were an owner? Kind of in the wake of what's

939
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: gone down up in Minneapolis the owner's meetings, we thought

940
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: we'd leave it to you to either change some on

941
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: field rule you detest or something off the field that

942
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: you'd like to change. AIGHTO three zero five poin fifty

943
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 2: to jump on board, and we lead off with Mark

944
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 2: in Stockton.

945
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: What do you got for us? Mark?

946
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 16: Hi, guys, great show, watch it every day.

947
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 3: Thanks.

948
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 16: I got to comment on both days yesterday and today.

949
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 16: There's too many soft tissue injuries in the NFL as

950
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 16: it is that don't require any hitting whatsoever, like tearing

951
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 16: your achilles tendon, blowing your hamstring, and many many more

952
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 16: that doesn't even require getting tackled. I would not as

953
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 16: an owner allow any of my players to play at

954
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 16: an amateur level. They could risk injury and maybe lose

955
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 16: their career or in their season on some kind of

956
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 16: injury like that. And there's so many injuries I have

957
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 16: nothing to do with kidding hit guys. You know that, Steve,

958
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 16: And that's what I got to say.

959
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: It's a bad idea, Okay.

960
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: I think in some respects Mark, and we touched on

961
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 2: this yesterday when you know the rule was passed to

962
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: continue steps to get NFL players in the LA twenty

963
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 2: eight Olympics for flag football participation. I mean, you heard

964
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson himself say at the press conference it's been

965
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: a dream of his to win an Olympic medal and

966
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: this is his opportunity to do that. I think the

967
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: player support for this is what's going to drive it,

968
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 2: maybe more than anything, especially at the players association level.

969
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: And I think also the league will use every opportunity

970
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: to use this entire Olympic sport movement as an as

971
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: an as a commercial for their own sport.

972
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, global exposure.

973
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: Global air version, an expansion of the interest, and I

974
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: think they believe and I think in some ways rightfully,

975
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: so that it's worth the risk now. And I don't

976
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: want to sound callous, but when I retired and you know,

977
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: basically like we had to call her today, Hey, you're

978
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: going to all all this stuff. You know. Listen, they

979
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: didn't retire my jersey, they washed it. So when all

980
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: in and if one of these guys goes down, you

981
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. His team's gonna tee it up

982
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: on Sunday with or without him, the LEA, the league

983
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: is gonna roll on. I know it's gonna look bad

984
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: and people will be sorry for the guy and I,

985
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: but the league's gonna roll on.

986
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds very callous.

987
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: It does sound callous, but but it's worth the risk

988
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: for the sport, for the league. And I was telling

989
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: Brownie I said it yesterday on the air. I think

990
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: the league should make sure every like a thousand current

991
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: NFL players are in the bleachers for that gold medal match,

992
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: if indeed the US gets there, the NFL players should

993
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 1: show up on Moss to support it. If they did that,

994
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: that would be as a big of a commercial for

995
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: the legitimacy of that sport as that you could make.

996
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: You could you can't buy that and willing to risk

997
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: what one, maybe two, what three random players to injury.

998
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen. It'll

999
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: be the guys we were talking about yesterday that you

1000
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: lose to injury. It'll be one of the athletes, and

1001
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: and I feel bad. I feel bad for him, but

1002
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: that is well worth the risk for a multi billion

1003
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: dollar industry.

1004
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 3: That's how the that league feels.

1005
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: That's how the league would feel.

1006
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 2: And knowing that the players and I have motivation to

1007
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 2: participate the players, gives them to go ahead.

1008
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, the players want it, and the league is using

1009
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: his free license say you know what, We're gonna give

1010
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: you what you want, aren't we nice? And we're gonna

1011
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna spin it into this globalization, global commercial worldwide.

1012
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: Every country is gonna have a flag football team and

1013
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: we're gonna promote it and help them and nurture them

1014
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: and use it to our advantage. Shock. Yeah, So I'm yeah,

1015
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: it's a bad idea. Somebody's gonna get hurt. Probably week

1016
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: one of the NFL seasons, somebody geet hurt.

1017
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 3: Absolutely, game continues and.

1018
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: It's going to roll on.

1019
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 3: Let's go to Joe in Rochester next.

1020
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 17: What's up Joe, Hi there, Thanks for having me man.

1021
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 17: I'd like to might rule change that. I would like

1022
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 17: to see, you know, football played by men. You know,

1023
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 17: I love defense, and I love when that game, you know,

1024
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 17: the heart pushing back and forth, the linemen and all

1025
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 17: that kind of stuff. That's you know, that's what really

1026
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 17: makes me like football, you know. And the thing that

1027
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 17: really disturbs me is waving the ball across the goal line.

1028
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 17: I want a touchdown to be you bring that ball

1029
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 17: across the goal line, you touch it down in the

1030
00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 17: end zone. And you know, Rugby is just plays this

1031
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 17: part of the game better than the pull football. These

1032
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 17: guys are fighting so hard up and down the field,

1033
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 17: and then it's kind of demoralizing when somebody just waves

1034
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 17: that ball and you got to have cameras that let

1035
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 17: you know if they scored or not.

1036
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 3: All right, So you don't like the guys that reach

1037
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 3: over the pile, and.

1038
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: He's right, yeah, you've seen rugby, right, they have to

1039
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: physically touch the ball in the end zone on the ground.

1040
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: It's I get it. It's kind of a romanticized way

1041
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: of scoring a touchdown. And all that is kind of

1042
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: symbolic to you plant the ball and the problem is

1043
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,479
Speaker 1: like like this the topic of the day. The tush

1044
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: push that ball ain't going to reach the ground. They'll

1045
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: hold you up, They'll lift you up, hold you up

1046
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: above the ground, carry you to the back of the

1047
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: end zone, and throw you into the first row. And

1048
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: the ball never touch the ground. What are you going

1049
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: to do? Where's the ball get spot?

1050
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1051
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I think it would be viewed

1052
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: as a very small, insignificant thing. And so as much

1053
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 2: as you would like to see it, I don't see

1054
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 2: a lot of traction for that.

1055
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1056
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm I get it. It's kind of cool,

1057
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think it's impractical.

1058
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 3: Let's go to Bill in Connecticut.

1059
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 13: What's up, Billy, Jens, Thanks for taking my car.

1060
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 4: I want to make a.

1061
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 13: Comment about rules in general, and then a specific one

1062
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 13: that I would lobby to change if I were an owner.

1063
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 13: In general, I'm in favor of every rule that improves

1064
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 13: player safety. As barbaric as it may have been in

1065
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 13: the sixties, the players we have now are so big,

1066
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 13: so fast, so strong. You know, the impact of collision

1067
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 13: is more than it was in the sixties, So I'm

1068
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 13: up for everything. This player safety belted. With regard to

1069
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 13: a change that I would lobby for, it would be

1070
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 13: on the way coaches challenges are handled right now. You know,

1071
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 13: you get one wrong, you get penalizes of time out,

1072
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 13: and I think that keeps coaches from challenging things it

1073
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 13: probably should be challenged. Maybe I'm suffering from recency bias,

1074
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 13: knowing that if we would have challenged the Daltonton kid

1075
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 13: made a first down on third, we wouldn't have been

1076
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 13: trying to fourth down play in the championship game. So

1077
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 13: I'd like to see that modified some way so that

1078
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 13: coaches feel better about using their challenges. And maybe it's

1079
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 13: take away the penalty of the time out. Maybe it's

1080
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 13: give them another one. I don't know how find him

1081
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 13: an advocate for making it easier for coaches to challenge things.

1082
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did take a step in that direction last year, John,

1083
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: because if you remember the way it was originally written,

1084
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: the coach would have to be successful on each of

1085
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 2: his two challenges that he had in a game to

1086
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: be awarded a third, and that success rate was reduced

1087
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: to one. So if you win one challenge, you're awarded

1088
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: a third. One through the course of the game. So

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00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 2: that was one step in that direction in case you

1090
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: were unaware of that that went through last year.

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00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm I'll say this too. I don't I

1092
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: can't speak to the specifics, but even on that third

1093
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: down play, you would like to think sky judge could

1094
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 1: have adjusted that spot from the in.

1095
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:12,479
Speaker 3: The current rules.

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00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he didn't because maybe the game was moving fast,

1097
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: he didn't want to interject, didn't have time to do

1098
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: it between plays because you know, at that point of

1099
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: the game, it didn't lend itself to it. I don't

1100
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: know why, but I would think that the sky judge

1101
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: in the current rule system could have said, hey, listen,

1102
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: kN Kaid got that first down, moved the ball up

1103
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: a half a yard he didn't.

1104
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,439
Speaker 2: Right, and you get a third just by getting one

1105
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 2: of your first two right. You don't have to get

1106
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: both of them right to get a third. So I

1107
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 2: think they tried to take a step in the direction

1108
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 2: you're indicating. You know, coaches get one right, they get

1109
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: another one after that. So there's a reward system there

1110
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 2: for challenging in the first place. And the threshold, to me,

1111
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: it is half of what it used to be to

1112
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 2: get a third challenge. So I think they're trying to

1113
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: encourage coaches to challenge if they think they've been wronged

1114
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: egregiously by ruling on the field.

1115
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 3: Let's go to John and Detroit next. What do you

1116
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 3: got for us?

1117
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 4: John?

1118
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 3: You're on one Bill's love.

1119
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 7: Thank you, gentlemen, for the use of your soapbox today.

1120
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 7: One little side. I do have a new change for you.

1121
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 7: But yesterday I got a call from Brooklyn in the

1122
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 7: New Stadium ticket office. My window finally opened and I

1123
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 7: am now a season ticket holder for the new Stadium.

1124
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 7: I wish we were starting this season.

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01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 3: Congratulations, thanks for doing it for you.

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01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 7: Thank you.

1127
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:40,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1128
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 7: Just the only thing I think we need to complete

1129
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 7: this is we win the Super Bowl and we'll open

1130
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 7: the new Stadium with the Thursday night game in twenty

1131
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 7: twenty six.

1132
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 3: And a banner.

1133
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 7: That would be great. But this real change I have.

1134
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 6: I asked you a quick question.

1135
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 7: What has home field advantage been to Buffalo or any

1136
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 7: other team?

1137
01:00:59,280 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 1: It means a lot.

1138
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 7: Well, I mean no at is there a rule? Are

1139
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 7: there any rules to their advantage? You get the home crowd.

1140
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: No, there's no rules. The other the only rule that

1141
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: gives you an advantage is that the other team, the

1142
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: other team gets to call a coin toss.

1143
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 7: They get the call the coin toss.

1144
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: Okay, the other team does. The visiting team gets to

1145
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: call the coin toss.

1146
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 7: All right. Mine was that we should eliminate the coin toss.

1147
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 7: The home team always gets the decision. Come out. It's

1148
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 7: they they're going to defer, that's what most of them do,

1149
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 7: or they want the ball.

1150
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 3: Is that an overtime too, John.

1151
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 7: And the overtime too.

1152
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 4: Okay, that's your hot field advantage would.

1153
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 3: Be Yeah, that's going.

1154
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 7: Against a long history. But I say, let home feel advantage.

1155
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 7: Being home field advantage, every team will get it the

1156
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 7: same number of times when they're at home.

1157
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 3: Okay, Wow, Okay, that's it all right, thanks John, appreciate

1158
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 3: the call.

1159
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: That's all that's I'll tell you this. That's thinking outside

1160
01:01:58,360 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: the box.

1161
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's right, I mean outside of crowd noise.

1162
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 3: What other advantage do you.

1163
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: Have in the rules.

1164
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe you know how your field plays and

1165
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: how the win plays in your stadium better than the

1166
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 2: visiting team because you're in it more often you can

1167
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: Maybe those are advantage, except.

1168
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: Or defer based on that a little bit?

1169
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 3: What do you think about that.

1170
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 2: Getting rid of the coin toss, you get to pick

1171
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 2: if you're kicking, what end you're defending, all that stuff.

1172
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: You get issues where the kicker received the other team

1173
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: gets to.

1174
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,479
Speaker 2: Well, yes, provided you pick that. Yes, almost nobody picks

1175
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 2: side of the field.

1176
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: If you defer, they can kick, receive, or to choose

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01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: which end.

1178
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in overtime too, no coin toss. You've played

1179
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 2: for sixty minutes, you're tied, and the home team gets

1180
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 2: to pick.

1181
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 3: Oo we I kind of like it.

1182
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of like it. And then what happens

1183
01:02:58,600 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: is sudden death.

1184
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 3: Well, no, each team gets a possession.

1185
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: So, knowing that the rules are now in the regular

1186
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 2: season and the playoffs, each team gets a possession unless

1187
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: the first kickoff goes back for a touchdown. I don't

1188
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 2: mind getting rid of the coin toss. Both teams are

1189
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: getting a possession anyway. Let the home team get it first.

1190
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: That's your advantage.

1191
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 3: Okay, I kind of like it. John in Detroit, all right, huh.

1192
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: That ain't gonna happen. Probably not, but I'm for it.

1193
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 3: Let's go from one John to another, to John and

1194
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 3: Holland what do you go first?

1195
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 4: John?

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01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 18: Hey, guys, thank you for bringing me on. And you

1197
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 18: guys do a great job, not only nationally but locally,

1198
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 18: keeping you know, football alive. My thing is, you guys

1199
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 18: are inside the bubble a little bit more than some

1200
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 18: of the fans like myself. And what do you guys think,

1201
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 18: Like how do you regulate the tush push? Like you

1202
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 18: can do it on third down, you do it on

1203
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 18: fourth down, you can do it on the.

1204
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 7: Goal line, Like how would you really?

1205
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 18: You could put a running back and just give him

1206
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 18: the ball real quick, Like, I just want to hear

1207
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 18: your thoughts on that because I can't figure out any

1208
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 18: rule that applies that we haven't been doing our whole careers.

1209
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 18: And I played football from high school at college too,

1210
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 18: and hey, we've been doing this stuff for years. So

1211
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 18: I'm gonna hang up, and I just want to hear

1212
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 18: what you guys think because you guys been in the system.

1213
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, back in the day, I mean it goes

1214
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: back back in the day, you were not allowed to

1215
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,959
Speaker 1: push a runner on your own team with the ball.

1216
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 3: Can't aid the runner.

1217
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: You couldn't aid him. You can't even today. You can't

1218
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: pull him forward, you can't, but you can't push him

1219
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: from behind.

1220
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 2: Two thousand and five was when pushing a teammate that is,

1221
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 2: the ball carrier on a play was it was illegal.

1222
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 2: In two thousand and five, they took it out of

1223
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 2: the rule book, thereby making it legal, right and Nick

1224
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 2: Sirianni decides, hey, we're going to take advantage of.

1225
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: That, and they would regulate the game the rule the

1226
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: tush push by making that illegal. You'd have to hand

1227
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: the ball off or or the guy that takes the

1228
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: snap from the center can't be the guy to get pushed.

1229
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, can't be aided by another team by being pushed.

1230
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: If he if he hands it off, that guy could

1231
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: be eight. You know that kind of stuff. So it's

1232
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: it's very easy to regulate it. But because right now

1233
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: anybody can push anybody if they have the ball. So

1234
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: you can imagine too, when you start talking about it,

1235
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: the ripple effects of the rule change kind of they

1236
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: go other places that you don't intend, and that's what

1237
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: the league fights against in all these rule changes. They've

1238
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: got some really sharp coaches, really sharp gms, really sharp

1239
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: exec guys in the room talking about all this, and

1240
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: they spin scenarios and they try and run down all

1241
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: the black holes of ripple effects that. Well, if we

1242
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: do this, then wait a minute in the fourth quarter

1243
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: and there's less than two minutes in the game, and yadaya,

1244
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: they could you know, it's like, oh, yeah, he's right,

1245
01:05:56,200 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: we can't do that. It's true. So they that's that's

1246
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: why it's difficult. But they they'll get it done because

1247
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: they'll just reverse some rules that have been in effect

1248
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: and they've seen already how those rules affected everything.

1249
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 2: What would you do with the NFL rules if you

1250
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: were an owner? We go to gym in Connecticut.

1251
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 19: What's up, Jim, I'd like to talk about the onside kick. Okay,

1252
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 19: what about if the kicker were to, you know, how

1253
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 19: the two teams are lined up with like twenty yards apart,

1254
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 19: maybe ten yards apart. What if the kicker was to

1255
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 19: land the ball in between the two teams and let

1256
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 19: them go at it.

1257
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 3: Well, a mad scrubs, I think, I think it was.

1258
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: It's against the rules.

1259
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 3: Well, and the other thing is it would fly. Here's

1260
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 3: the problem, Jim.

1261
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 2: It would fly in the face of what the league

1262
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 2: is trying to push, which is better player safety. You'd

1263
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 2: have twenty helmets colliding at full speed five yards away

1264
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 2: from each other.

1265
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 19: No, No, it wouldn't be that bad. Well, if you

1266
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 19: top that ball in the middle.

1267
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: It's illegal unless you declare an on side kick, Right,

1268
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: that's what you're talking about.

1269
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 19: Yeah, but why would you even have to declare that?

1270
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 19: If you could land that ball between the two teams

1271
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 19: lined up, when it's in that zone between the two teams,

1272
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 19: they can move.

1273
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: Because it's illegal to land the ball outside the opponent's

1274
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: twenty yard line. There's a landing zone on kickoffs.

1275
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 19: Well there, you'd have to change the rules to be

1276
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 19: an on side kick. There will If that be an

1277
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 19: on side kick.

1278
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: Well you'd have to declare it then, right, or change

1279
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: the rule completely. All the time you.

1280
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 19: Change a rule if you declare it, What fun is that?

1281
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 19: If they could pop that ball and land it between

1282
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 19: the two teams, that's an on side kick.

1283
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you take if you take away the landing restriction,

1284
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: the landing zone restrictions of the current kickoff rules.

1285
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 19: What you're talking to landing zones, just make one for

1286
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 19: an on side kick and one for a regular kickoff.

1287
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: Well, then you're still you still have to declare it then.

1288
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going going down the rabbit hole real fast.

1289
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: You're right, you're the ripple effects. You're evident he's had

1290
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: a landing zone, Jim, Jim, if you if you leave

1291
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: a b loophole for an on side kick outside the

1292
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: regular landing zone's to say that, hey, we're onside kicking

1293
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: every kick and we're gonna land it wherever we want.

1294
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: That's how's that work? Yeah, we already let them go

1295
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: because we got people waiting kick. That's that's the problem,

1296
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: because then you know, let's say how we were on

1297
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: side kicking it and what happened. The reason they make

1298
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: the ball fly inside the opponent's twenty yard line the

1299
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: receiving team twenty yard line is to keep them from

1300
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: squibbing every single kick. And because as soon as you

1301
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: squib it and it lands on the ground, the coverage

1302
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: team is released. They can take off and chase it

1303
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: and chaos ensues, and they don't. Chaos is something the

1304
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 1: league doesn't want to deal with, right. I think I

1305
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: always thought that was what was going to happen until

1306
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: I learned that you had to land it past the twenty. Yeah,

1307
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: that's that's a problem. Let's changes everything.

1308
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 3: Go to Russ in Batavia. What's up? Russ?

1309
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 4: Great show every day to the people who are talking

1310
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 4: about injuries in the flag football in the Olympics. I'm

1311
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 4: old enough to remember this guy Milano got hurt in

1312
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 4: a preseason training camp. So are they saying we should

1313
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 4: get rid of those two?

1314
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 13: Thanks?

1315
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get what you're saying. Russ.

1316
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 2: Injuries can happen anywhere, at any time you're one hundred

1317
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 2: percent correct, and sometimes in the most innocuous ways. I

1318
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 2: mean Matt Mlono tore his bicep tendon doing a wrap

1319
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 2: up tackle drill on a dummy.

1320
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean we had a gut Listen, we lost a

1321
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: good running back to a skidoo accident. Yeah, Nahim Heines, Yeah,

1322
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: Naheim Hines in a you know, it's.

1323
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 2: Not a jet ski jet ski so and somebody he's

1324
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 2: idling filling the gas tank and he gets run over.

1325
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just sitting there.

1326
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 3: By another seadoo.

1327
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: So there you go.

1328
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 2: Uh, moving right along here as we get to as

1329
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 2: many people as we can. To Joey up in New Fane.

1330
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 2: What do you got for his Joey?

1331
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 20: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call the rebligatory. I

1332
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 20: love you both. And long time Bills fan Jack campelled

1333
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 20: me in his arms when I was a tight but

1334
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 20: the toush push. I kind of like the toush push

1335
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,799
Speaker 20: because it gives me a little bit of a different

1336
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 20: aspect on the game, kind of resembling rugby. And I

1337
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 20: guarantee you every one of the Bills Mafia fans when

1338
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 20: it Bills are doing a toush push, we're at the

1339
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 20: edge of our seats, right behind them doing the push,

1340
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 20: trying to give the extra push too. But the reason

1341
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 20: why I called was the kickoffs have been terrible for

1342
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 20: the past couple of years, and I know they keep

1343
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,560
Speaker 20: going back and forth and trying to make it a

1344
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 20: little bit more exciting but also a little bit more safe.

1345
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 20: Why don't they bring back the drop kick line up

1346
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 20: the teams. Each team at the thirty five yard line

1347
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,879
Speaker 20: drop kick it. You get a skilled player, another skilled

1348
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 20: player added to the roster.

1349
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 13: You could poots kick that.

1350
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 20: Anywhere you want on the field and it's a live ball.

1351
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 20: I think the longest drop in NFL history of a

1352
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 20: recorded was fifty yards and that was a field ball

1353
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 20: back in I think twenty six. But the fifty yards

1354
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 20: field goal from or a fifty drop kick from the

1355
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 20: thirty yard line thirty five yard line push, the ball

1356
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 20: at the fifteen yard line. Now you've got you know,

1357
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,759
Speaker 20: your offense or your you know, your defenders and stuff

1358
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,759
Speaker 20: running only fifteen yards meeting each other for a block,

1359
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 20: and you've got a guy running and you're getting a return.

1360
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I don't know how that's different from

1361
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 2: what they're trying to get.

1362
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: Dropkick, dropkick. Think you need to do the dropkick. You

1363
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: can just restrict where the kick can land or where

1364
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: it can go. And they're trying, and they're doing that

1365
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 1: as well. By they're they're further penalizing the return team

1366
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: for not putting the ball in play or I'm sorry,

1367
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: they're penalizing the kicking team for kicking in out of

1368
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: the end zone. By giving the return team the ball

1369
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: at the thirty five yard line now and there, sooner

1370
01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: or later, the scale is gonna tip away from from

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01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: kicking it out of the back of the end zone.

1372
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 1: Just giving them the ball on the thirty five now

1373
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: say this too. Some of the teams do this because

1374
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: their head coach or their staff doesn't have confidence in

1375
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: their own special teams coverage ability. They just want to

1376
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: kick it out of the en zone so they can

1377
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 1: use the roster spots on coverage teams other places they

1378
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: can keep better linebackers or better safeties or better tight ends,

1379
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: better running backs on down a distance, so they don't

1380
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,759
Speaker 1: have to keep guys who are better special teams players.

1381
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: So they're just gonna kick it out of the end zone.

1382
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: Then all they have to do is return. Worry about

1383
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: punt coverage. That's it. So there's some of that going

1384
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: on as well, but that's the idea. Whether it's a

1385
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: dropkick or not, they can adjust what the return team

1386
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: can do by incentivizing one side of the ball or

1387
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: the other.

1388
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,799
Speaker 3: We move along to Johnny and Buffalo.

1389
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 2: What's up, Johnny, I think you're taking my call.

1390
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 21: You know, I was thinking about the Bill or the

1391
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 21: overtime rules in the NFL, and I know there's been

1392
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 21: a lot of debate in the last few years about

1393
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 21: you know, each team should get a possession and people think,

1394
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:14,600
Speaker 21: you know, that was the Bill's rule because of what

1395
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 21: happened in Kansas City. But you know, I think that

1396
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 21: there should be just a kind of whole change to

1397
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 21: it where the ownus really falls on the home team

1398
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 21: to win the game in regulation. And what I mean

1399
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 21: by that is, if you go to overtime and you

1400
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 21: play that ten minute period and you're still tied. At

1401
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 21: the end of that ten minutes, the away team wins.

1402
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 21: You know, as the away team, you're automatically coming into

1403
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 21: kind of like that disadvantage. Right, You're going on the road,

1404
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 21: You've fought, you've played a hard game, and if I think,

1405
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 21: if you get that tie, you know, you should get

1406
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 21: rewarded for that. It should be on the onus. It

1407
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 21: should be on the home team to really get that win.

1408
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 21: And I know it's kind of, you know, an out

1409
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 21: there situation, and you know, maybe I'm just thinking too

1410
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 21: far outside the box here, but it would really make

1411
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 21: for some interesting late game scenarios. You know, the home

1412
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 21: team they might go for two to win the game

1413
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 21: and regulation instead of the tie, because if they end

1414
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 21: up tying the loose or you know, the away team,

1415
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 21: it's just there's there's a lot more strategy that's involved,

1416
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 21: and we just kind of eliminate ties in general. And

1417
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 21: that's kind of what I want to see out of

1418
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 21: regular season football going forward.

1419
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 2: All Right, I gotta say, I don't know that ties

1420
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 2: happen often enough that this would require waiting the tie

1421
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 2: in favor of a road team not to mention the

1422
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 2: fact that the scoreboard says thirty to thirty, no one

1423
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 2: has won. So to turn a tie into a win

1424
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 2: when a point total is even to me kind of

1425
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 2: flies on the face of the whole point of keeping

1426
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 2: score in the first place.

1427
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 1: You're right, the strategy would be completely cons right about that,

1428
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 1: because let's say you get in the overtime, you're in

1429
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: the last two minutes of overtime, and the visiting team

1430
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: just kneels it down, then the game they're gonna get

1431
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: the win, right, they don't have anything, And that is

1432
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: an example of an unintended consequence.

1433
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, the road team says, well, if we tie, we win.

1434
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna kneel it there and kneel it down

1435
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: for the last yeah, or going to our four minute

1436
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: We're not really, We're just gonna soak the clock all

1437
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 1: through overtime. Would not want that, Yeah, So that's that's

1438
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: one aspect of it that would be a I think

1439
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: problematic for both fans and the league. I don't I

1440
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: don't think the fans would like that.

1441
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to take a break, we're up against

1442
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 2: the clock. But more of your phone calls when we

1443
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 2: come back. Will lead off with Sean and Lackajuana and

1444
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 2: Lee in Rochester. Next here on one Bill's Live stay with.

1445
01:15:46,960 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 22: Us all right, talking about NFL rule changes, you would

1446
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 22: propose if you were an NFL owner, eight oh three

1447
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 22: h five fifty the number to jump on board.

1448
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 3: We lead off with Sean and Lackawana this segment.

1449
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 23: What's up Sean, Hey, thanks for taking my call in

1450
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 23: regards to the Olympics and flag football. If the Olympics

1451
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 23: demonstrate that we're moving only tackling from the game of

1452
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 23: football from the game increases scoring and improves player safety

1453
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 23: and really encourages that more elusive athlete instead of you know,

1454
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 23: seeking monsters, Will the NFL ever consider switching to flag football?

1455
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 23: Because I think the NFL leads the way in regards

1456
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 23: to collegiate sports in high school. Because I would like

1457
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 23: to see high school football switch to flag football. Why Fagan?

1458
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 3: Why? Why?

1459
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 5: Just you know, CTE concussions, head trauma. What we are

1460
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 5: learning now as as we look into NFL players now

1461
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 5: the uh, you know, the the trauma that that causes

1462
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 5: down the line.

1463
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

1464
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 5: If you only remove tackling, which is the last one

1465
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 5: second of any play, I don't see how it really

1466
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 5: changes the game. The guys up front still still hand

1467
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 5: to hand, still body to body. It's just you're not

1468
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 5: leaving that wide receiver you know, to get clocked, blindsided

1469
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 5: and really career ending.

1470
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: So you're saying, keep the blockers and everybody on the field,

1471
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: just don't make anybody tackle. Absolutely, So the offensive line

1472
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: in the running game and all that stuff is exactly

1473
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: the same. You just don't bring the guy.

1474
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 5: Everything stays the same.

1475
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 3: Interesting pulling a flag off somebody, that's interesting.

1476
01:17:52,600 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe if if the league can continue its profitability

1477
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 1: at the current levels, and if the league continue can

1478
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: continue its profitability at current levels in perpetuity by having

1479
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: guys where blindfolds, they'll do it. So if that's the case, yeah, yeah,

1480
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: as much as he as much.

1481
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 2: As I understand what he's getting at, I still would

1482
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 2: maintain it's more likely that a separate flag football league

1483
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 2: would sprout up before football as we know it changes

1484
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 2: to look more like flag football. I think a separate

1485
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 2: flag league into itself would sprout up before that what.

1486
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 3: Shawn and lack i Wanta was suggesting happens.

1487
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: And yeah, so yeah, I'm not a guest any of

1488
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 1: that stuff I mean.

1489
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 3: And I think the league would back a flag football league.

1490
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:54,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd help it. It does, as stats have shown,

1491
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 1: it does pump up the interest in the NFL when

1492
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: the flag football leagues do well.

1493
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,799
Speaker 3: Let's go to Lee and Rochester next. What's up Lee?

1494
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 24: How you doing, Fellows? Thanks for the call, Steve. I

1495
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 24: called you guys, you and Brownie you a few months

1496
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 24: back when Sam Donald got face masked in the end

1497
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 24: zone in both officials couldn't see it or didn't see it.

1498
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 24: And I officiate college sports, I'm I'm convinced. I think

1499
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 24: the league would want to be able to have this

1500
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 24: call get correct. But what I'm wondering is have they

1501
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,799
Speaker 24: even discussed at being an option for coaches to perhaps

1502
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 24: challenge a missed obvious you know that's a personal foul,

1503
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 24: and I think it would enhance the keeping the field

1504
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 24: fair basically the team.

1505
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, having having the coaches be able to challenge a

1506
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: non call sends you down a rabbit hole.

1507
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 3: That huge pandora as well.

1508
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 1: It's a huge Pandora's box that we've seen in Canadian football.

1509
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: My son played in Canada for seven years. We had

1510
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: a blast, loved it and one of the things they

1511
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: were able to do is challenge anything at any time

1512
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,919
Speaker 1: on the field. They get it like once a game.

1513
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 3: Even if it was away from the player.

1514
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 1: If yes, so, like you get a touchdown down the

1515
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 1: far side, the defensive team can say, hey, this guy

1516
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 1: over here was illegal emotion or is an illegal shit whatever,

1517
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: and they'll go back look at it if they've got

1518
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: an angle of it. That touchdown on the far side

1519
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: gets called all the way back for a call that

1520
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: nobody saw and was away from the play and had

1521
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 1: no bearing on it. Now it's you know, it's now

1522
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: it's second and twenty you know. So, uh, that's a

1523
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: Pandora's box. It's hard to open up and keep a

1524
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 1: lid on. And because the ripple effects are vast going

1525
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 1: back and having a sky judge make a call that

1526
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: wasn't called on the field, man, can you imagine?

1527
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's why they keep it the way

1528
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 3: it is.

1529
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 2: You can only correct calls that have been made. They've

1530
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 2: strayed away, they've stayed away from officiating non calls. If

1531
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 2: they're missed, they're missed. And I know, and believe me,

1532
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 2: we all saw the play he's talking about me. They

1533
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,520
Speaker 2: turned Sam Donald's helmet into a scene from The Exorcist.

1534
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 2: The things spun around on his face as he got

1535
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 2: tackled in the end zone, and there was zero no call.

1536
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you're always We're in a much better place

1537
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 1: than we have ever been in the National Football League.

1538
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: Despite the plays that we can all pick out, the

1539
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: fact that we can pick those out, the list is

1540
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 1: invariably shorter than it would have been in decades past.

1541
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 1: So it's the game's in a much better place now

1542
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: than it has ever been. Sam Donald is up walking around,

1543
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 1: He's fine. It was a miscall in a tough game

1544
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 1: for the Vikings. I get all of that, but I

1545
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,839
Speaker 1: don't know how much better it's gonna get.

1546
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 3: Because at the end of the day, you have huge

1547
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,480
Speaker 3: humans officiating, and humans are flawed.

1548
01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 1: And you can go back and look at everything, but

1549
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 1: if you start down that road, it's like the old

1550
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 1: adage offensive lineman hold on every play. Well, are you

1551
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: gonna call holding on every play? And if you don't

1552
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: call holding on every play, your quarterback is gonna get

1553
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,759
Speaker 1: sacked every other snap. That's why I's gonna get sacked

1554
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:18,759
Speaker 1: every single snap.

1555
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 3: That's why I've.

1556
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 2: Told people I became a lot less annoyed with NFL

1557
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 2: officiating when I mentally prepared myself going into every game saying,

1558
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 2: there are humans officiating this game. There are gonna be

1559
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 2: calls that are missed, and they are gonna be bad calls,

1560
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,799
Speaker 2: and I am going to anticipate a handful of both

1561
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 2: in this game. And if I mentally it sounds ridiculous.

1562
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,719
Speaker 2: But if I mentally prepare myself for that, I find

1563
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 2: that I take the horrible calls in stride a whole

1564
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 2: lot better. Then if I don't say that to myself

1565
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 2: before the game, you may want to try it.

1566
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 1: You gotta get ready for it, predict I mean, every

1567
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: fan base feels exactly the way I'm gonna say this,

1568
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 1: particularly us.

1569
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, we always we have examples.

1570
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: We have examples, right, So you got to go in

1571
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:06,600
Speaker 1: knowing that every fan base should do that. And I'm

1572
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 1: let's face it, we're all okay with this. The league's

1573
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: success says, we're all ultimately okay with it, even though

1574
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 1: at the because none of us care until the season's

1575
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 1: on the line, right.

1576
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 4: Uh.

1577
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: You know, teams that don't get to the playoffs anyway,

1578
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: they're like, eh, you know, let's move, let's just get better.

1579
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 1: Teams like Buffalo, who for the fat past half dozen

1580
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 1: eight years have been in the playoffs, and you lose

1581
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: that last game, your season's over. Those are the tough

1582
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: ones to live with. So we're kind of in a

1583
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 1: different headspace than most other franchises. But the league's in

1584
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: a pretty good spot right now, and I can't believe

1585
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm the guy saying it.

1586
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 3: Neither can I. Let's go to Chuck and Hamburg next.

1587
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 3: What's up, Chuck?

1588
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:56,879
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm calling about the hurdling rule. When was that changed?

1589
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 11: Because I remember watching a Monday night game when official

1590
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:03,480
Speaker 11: jumped up in the air and said, hurdling.

1591
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 3: Are you talking about like on an extra point or

1592
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 3: a kick?

1593
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 4: No?

1594
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 11: I want to want to hurdling well too. Moment Josh's

1595
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 11: running downfield and your hurdles over a player that used

1596
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:16,480
Speaker 11: to be illegal.

1597
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that that doesn't ring a bell. I

1598
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: don't know that it's been illegal in my lifetime. You must.

1599
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 1: You might be significantly older than I am. I don't know.

1600
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 11: Oh, yes, how old they hang out with you at

1601
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 11: Saint Francis watching your son run track meets?

1602
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, it's yes, it's been that's been

1603
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 1: that's been legal for a long long time. I know.

1604
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm about to say this.

1605
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: I got called for hurdling in high school. I jumped

1606
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 1: over a guy and I got it, got called back.

1607
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: That's the last time I ever heard of that rule.

1608
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 1: Uh so it's been Yeah, it's been doing now forty

1609
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: plus years. Yeah, you can do it now. I don't

1610
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: know when they made that legal.

1611
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 3: It was a long time ago, because it's before me.

1612
01:24:58,640 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 3: I don't remember that at all.

1613
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remember Billy Simms jumped over guy and.

1614
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 3: He was playing in the late seventies early eighties.

1615
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he jumped over Steve Jackson. I wasn't Steve like

1616
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: Steve Brown.

1617
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 3: And he, like Bruce Lee, kicked the guy in ahead.

1618
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 1: That was. That was my teammate the next year. So

1619
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:18,560
Speaker 1: it was like an eighty four he did that, or

1620
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 1: maybe it was eighty three and it was two years later.

1621
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, but Billy Simms jumped over a guy

1622
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 1: and chopped in karate kicking like Bruce Lee letting. He

1623
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 1: said he had the old spot built one hundred and

1624
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:33,679
Speaker 1: fifty stud the nubs right on his round his neck.

1625
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

1626
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: So Yeah, it's been legal that long. That's dude, that's

1627
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 1: forty years.

1628
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 24: Bro.

1629
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 2: Let's uh squeeze Steven Syracuse here in before the break.

1630
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 3: What's up, Steve?

1631
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, Mike calls regarding the face mace penal. League, Uh,

1632
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 8: defensive may making it attempted to tackle in a running

1633
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,560
Speaker 8: back accident, gave the face mace. But it's actually the

1634
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 8: internet to make the play. But what way does the

1635
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 8: Is it all true where the running back is stiff

1636
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 8: arminger defensive back and grabs his face mask and no play.

1637
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 8: I think it should be the same to call either

1638
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 8: way you're talking.

1639
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: About when a running back stiff arks a god by

1640
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 1: the fast mask and grabs him and pulls off up

1641
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: you can. I think that's illegal. And it's one of

1642
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: those things that the league says, don't make this, you know,

1643
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 1: don't call It's got to be egregious before they call it,

1644
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 1: because they did.

1645
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 3: By Carrier has a right to defend himself.

1646
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: That's Josh Allen got called for a face mask against

1647
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 1: the La Rams in Stadium in twenty twenty, game two

1648
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 1: of the season or whatever, when they beat it with

1649
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 1: its things. Tyler Croft Tyler Croft touchdown to win it.

1650
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 3: That's when play.

1651
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 1: That's when Josh lit when you know, Josh is an

1652
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 1: absolute monster. So Aaron Donald is bearing down on three

1653
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: time Defensive Player of the Year, Josh grabs him by

1654
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 1: the face mask, tosses him off, completes the pass, gets

1655
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 1: called for the penalty, takes the penalty, scores the touchdown anyway.

1656
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: On subsequent play, next player two wins the game, So

1657
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 1: they do call it on offensive players, but it's got

1658
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:11,480
Speaker 1: to be egregious.

1659
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the only reason he got called on Donald

1660
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 2: is because he kind of pulled down on the mask

1661
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 2: and Donald went flopping on the turf, so it was

1662
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 2: egregious in the eyes of the officials.

1663
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:22,679
Speaker 1: He's an absolute month.

1664
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 3: Gotta take a break here, one segment to go.

1665
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 2: We'll see if there's some thoughts on the tweetsheet on

1666
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 2: some of these rule changes.

1667
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 3: Next here on One Bill's Live.

1668
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: Stay with us.

1669
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 2: All right back here on One Bill's Live talking rule

1670
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 2: changes you would enact if you were an owner and

1671
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 2: we're gonna squeeze Grant in Las Vegas.

1672
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 3: In here, what's up, Grant?

1673
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 25: Hey, how's it going? I had a couple rules changes.

1674
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 25: First one I always I think they should do one

1675
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:06,440
Speaker 25: foot for a completion. I've always liked the college rule.

1676
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 26: Just because these guys are making crazy catchesn't it. It's

1677
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 26: always sad to see them get taken away because they

1678
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 26: didn't get another pinky toe in. And also sometimes when

1679
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:19,719
Speaker 26: they're trying to get that second foot in their faith

1680
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 26: planning out of bounds.

1681
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 4: So but other than that, the other rule in.

1682
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 25: Regards to the tush push, I was thinking, if we're

1683
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 25: going to keep the toush push, can they bring back

1684
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 25: the ability for the defensive like linebackers to jump over

1685
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 25: the line of scrimmage, because I feel like that would

1686
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 25: kind of be a counter that the offense would have

1687
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 25: to think about, Like, okay, like the tush push, maybe

1688
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 25: we should rethink.

1689
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 26: This if we got Matt Malono jumping over about the

1690
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 26: tackle right when we hike.

1691
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 4: So those were the only two rules that I was

1692
01:28:58,120 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 4: thinking of.

1693
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 1: All right, thanks, Gran can jump over now.

1694
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1695
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 1: I didn't think there was.

1696
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 3: Anything that prevents them from doing that. You can't do

1697
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 3: it on kicks, like.

1698
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't, Yes, that's right. You can't do it

1699
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 1: on special teams.

1700
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:10,839
Speaker 3: Play can't launch yourself.

1701
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's the only thing in the way of

1702
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 2: that one foot. I kind of like the extra degree

1703
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 2: of difficulty in the NFL. That's what separates the NFL

1704
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:20,759
Speaker 2: from the college.

1705
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: I do too, and yeah it yeah, I agree. It

1706
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:27,759
Speaker 1: should be just it should be just two, It should

1707
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:28,560
Speaker 1: be two feet.

1708
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 2: Some good suggestions from everybody out there, So thanks for

1709
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 2: chiming in with your proposed rule changes. We'll see how

1710
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 2: those owners' meetings wrap up. Steve in here with Mattie

1711
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 2: tomorrow as I'm taking a break, but I'll catch up

1712
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 2: with you next week here on one Bill's Live. They'll

1713
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow here at one