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Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here. I thought I made myself

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Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no gifts, I'm preature winegar. We're

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Speaker 2: hearing the children screaming in the local elementary school. There

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Speaker 2: things that you get in an outdoor podcast, And so

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Speaker 2: you're getting a little extra for your money. Well, what's

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Speaker 2: going on? I clean my shoes with a magic eraser

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Speaker 2: and that worked out really well. I shouldn't have given

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Speaker 2: away my secret. Actually, I've been going nuts on Etsy.

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Speaker 2: Then I'll be picking my mom up at the Burbank

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Speaker 2: Airport this afternoon. I'm sure we'll start fighting immediately, So

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Speaker 2: let's get into the podcast while we still can. Today's

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Speaker 2: he's fantastic. He has a show that I actually listened to.

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Speaker 2: It's Rishi Keish Hairway.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to I said, no gifts, Thank you so much,

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Speaker 3: thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're here. It's, you know, a rare

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Speaker 3: Well that's I'm I was honestly thrilled and surprised to

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't listen to a lot of podcasts

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Speaker 2: is a nice and listener. If you're not aware of

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Speaker 2: song and explodeer, get with the program. But yours is

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Speaker 2: one of the rare podcasts that does both, and often

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Speaker 2: with music that I like, Which is I mean it's

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Speaker 2: just such a small target. You've been doing it for.

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Speaker 3: Like ten years, more than ten years now.

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Speaker 2: Who was your first guest?

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Speaker 3: The postal service? Oh wow?

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Speaker 2: And the episodes used to be significantly.

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Speaker 3: Shorter, right, that's right. Yeah, And then I started to

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Speaker 2: How long do you think it took before you were like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I think this next one could be the one.

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Speaker 2: Because they're no, like probably between thirty and forty minutes,

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Speaker 3: Like twenty and thirty Oh okay, but that's significantly longer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like three times is long. Are you seeking out

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Speaker 3: At this point, I still do a little bit of outreach,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that feels like it could be any one

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Speaker 3: They literally would chase me singing that song and I

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Speaker 2: How did they find out that you found it annoying?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and suddenly my group of friends just transformed into

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Speaker 3: seating right changed my life, because before that, yeah, I

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00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 3: would I would be sitting there, not like, well I

442
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 3: get a seat, or I'd have to go with someone

443
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 3: and say, okay, you go ahead, you're gonna watch the trailers,

444
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 3: please save me a seat, but let me see where

445
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 3: you're saying because I don't want to come in the

446
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 3: middle of the dark, being like where are you? It

447
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 3: was a whole thing, but now in so many places

448
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,479
Speaker 3: you know where you're gonna sit. Oh yeah, And of

449
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 3: course so I can. I will do the thing where

450
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 3: I'll say, does anybody want any anything from the concession stand.

451
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 3: It's really great. I get to use up the time

452
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 3: and you know, do do a favor for everybody come

453
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 3: in at the last minute.

454
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 2: You're almost like a designated driver exactly. That's really right.

455
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 2: When did you start doing this? When did you create

456
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 2: this rule for yourself?

457
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 3: Gosh, I can't remember now, but it has been I

458
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: would say over fifteen years ago. Wow, amazing a long time.

459
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 2: That sounds great. I mean I've the only time that

460
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: I've done that recently in the past couple of years

461
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 2: was I saw that movie where they I think it's

462
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 2: a finish film, just someone I think somebody gets kidnapped

463
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: by Nazis and it's just deeply violent. What is this movie?

464
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 2: Do you remember? On Elise? Look up Finnish Nazi revenge

465
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 2: movie I've seen.

466
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 3: I have seen the trailer for that one.

467
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: Actually, yes, I saw. I had no see Sue yes, yes,

468
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: see Sue saw knowing Nothing and it was quite an experience. Yeah,

469
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 2: because it's incredibly violent.

470
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

471
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'd like to do that more often, especially

472
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: with movies. I'd like to see.

473
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 3: Oh. I think that my favorite movie going experiences have

474
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 3: always been under those circumstances. When I just go in,

475
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know what this is, and every

476
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 3: frame of the movie that I've seen is I'm seeing

477
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 3: it for the first time in the context of the story.

478
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: Sounds wonderful. Yeah, I need to do that more often.

479
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing I need to know in

480
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 2: advance is the run time. Yeah, I've created a rule,

481
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 2: and the listener knows has heard about this too much.

482
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 2: If a movie's three hours or longer, I leave ninety

483
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: minutes in, yeah, and then I'll see the rest later.

484
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 2: But maybe I need to just cut trailers out of

485
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: my life. It's tempting, though I'm always want to take

486
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: a peek.

487
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 3: I kind of like not knowing the run time too

488
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 3: oh a little bit, because it is kind of a spoiler.

489
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 3: I was thinking about this the other day, that every

490
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: book kind of has a spoiler built into it because

491
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 3: you always know where you are in the story.

492
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: That's true, that's very true, and you can know what

493
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: percentage you're through.

494
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. How many times have you watched a TV show

495
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: and you know, say a detective procedural or something, and

496
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 3: they're like, well this person didn't You're like, no, it's

497
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 3: you're twenty two minutes in.

498
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not right. That's very true. Wow, But I

499
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: just I couldn't do it. I can't imagine getting into

500
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: a three hour movie not knowing it was three hours. Yeah,

501
00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: I would lose my mind.

502
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 3: Your life. But sometimes you have to prioritize art.

503
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 2: I suppose maybe I should give that a shot and

504
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: see what it does to me chemically. I think that

505
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: could be devastating on me in every way.

506
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 3: But do you have people who you could rely on

507
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: to sort of be your guide in that way? So

508
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 3: you can take out any kind of pre information that

509
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 3: you might have and just say, hey, I'm following you.

510
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: They'll say, come to this movie. We're not going to

511
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 3: tell you the running time, but you just know you're

512
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 3: going to see something good and it's not going to

513
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: be necessarily be six hours of your life gone.

514
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: I can rely on no one in my life for anything.

515
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: I trust no one. Yeah, no, I don't think I

516
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: would trust any of my friends or family to give

517
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: me to help me with that situation.

518
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 3: I'm lucky that my LA friends all know about my

519
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: weird stuff about no spoilers. They've been my friends for

520
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 3: two decades ye or, and they're all movie buffs.

521
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 2: Most of them work in, you know, in entertainment some aspect.

522
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 3: And so I can usually they can say, like this

523
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 3: one you got to see.

524
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: Right right, Well, I think there's something else we should

525
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: talk about that. I you know, I'm not that comfortable

526
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: even bringing this up with you right now, but I

527
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: feel like I have no choice otherwise. I thought he's

528
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: a professional, he'll come by, we'll talk, we'll chat, have

529
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 2: a nice time, and then move on with our days.

530
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,959
Speaker 2: The podcast is called they Said No Gifts. Oh ah,

531
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: so I was a little surprised. I would say, it

532
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 2: was actually shocked that you showed.

533
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: Up with a gift. I thought the show was called

534
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: I said, No Boxed Gifts. Oh. Interesting, Now that's another

535
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 3: podcast which is a you know, And I was like, oh, yeah,

536
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 3: I know, I understand No Box Gifts. That is very

537
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 3: familiar to me as an Indian person. I get it, so,

538
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 3: you know, I brought you this.

539
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so you you've felt like an envelope gift

540
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: would be.

541
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, if I think you've if you open it,

542
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 3: you'll okay, you'll see. Have you ever been to an

543
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 3: Indian wedding got an inventation that says no boxed gifts?

544
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: Is that a real thing within an Indian community?

545
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: It is no boxed gift, no box gifts. Why, well,

546
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: I think you'll.

547
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 2: Okay, let's maybe open this. It's actually I'm going to say,

548
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: this is also a nice envelope.

549
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: Oh well, you know it's a gift.

550
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: Okay, we're opening it up here. Oh and a nice

551
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: little card with some like floral in gold. Oh my god.

552
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: Ohcation okay, So I've got twenty one dollars, which is

553
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: that significant?

554
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: It's significant in that it ends in a one.

555
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 2: Okay, and in the card it just says deer Bridger

556
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: all the best reciacs.

557
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, okay, Well.

558
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 2: This is obviously I will say this is the second

559
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 2: second episode where I've gotten cash.

560
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 3: Oh well, I'm I'm sorry.

561
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: But you've out done it. You've out done the first

562
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: I got. I believe I got twenty dollars the first

563
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: time from Chris estrata. Oh okay, and I bought a

564
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: T shirt and now I've gotten twenty one dollars. We

565
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: need to keep this pattern.

566
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: Going so you can get one dollar more every time.

567
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 2: And we need to do at least four episodes a day. Okay, Well,

568
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: then I need I want explanation. I'm so curious.

569
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: So I so I said, no box gift. Not actually

570
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 3: what they but they will say no box gifts please, okay,

571
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: and that means give money. Oh, that's genius. Yeah, that

572
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 3: that is the code for just give us money.

573
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: That's what everyone should be doing.

574
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's you know, that's what the appreciated present is,

575
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 3: right sometimes. But the first I remember the first time

576
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: I saw it on a wedding invitation, being like, what

577
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: does that mean and having to ask my parents and

578
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 3: they laughed, They're like, well, obviously this is what it means.

579
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: And then the other part of it is that for

580
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 3: all gift giving when there's money, and for Indian people,

581
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: or at least within my family, you never give a

582
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 3: number that ends in zero. I think the superstition has

583
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: to do with the idea that a zero, like a

584
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 3: number that ends in zero, is like a whole number.

585
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: It is a complete number. It has reached the end

586
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: of something and actually what you are the most auspicious

587
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: thing is to celebrate the start of something new.

588
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: It's kind of that's very sweet. Actually, yeah, it's really

589
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: kind of a beautiful superstition.

590
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I would get because I would get birthday gifts,

591
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: you know, and it would be eleven dollars a check

592
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: for eleven dollars, And again I had to ask why

593
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 3: is that?

594
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: And wow, yeah, that does feel like a thing where

595
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: everyone just kind of always seems like they're trying to

596
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: outdo someone else. So I put another dollar in there.

597
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: For you, I think it's there is something nice about it.

598
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: But for me, mostly it just was a superstition. Right.

599
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: What really stuck with me is that it's bad luck

600
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 3: to give a gift that ends in a zero.

601
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially at a wedding where it's like, well things

602
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: are over at the end of the Did you have

603
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: a traditional Indian wedding?

604
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: I didn't. Okay, no, there was nothing traditional about my wedding.

605
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: Actually, what was your wedding? Like?

606
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: It was in Palm Springs? Oh, wonderful, it was very nice.

607
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: Part of the reason why it was untraditional is because

608
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: my family, and especially the people here in the US

609
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: that I consider you know, family, our family, friends who

610
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: are as close as family. It's just a huge number

611
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 3: of people.

612
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: Sure.

613
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 3: And my wife, by contrast, as a very small family.

614
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: Her entire family, you know, is I think fewer than

615
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: ten people. Wow, and that's remarkable. As we were filling

616
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: out our guest list, you know, she was like, Okay,

617
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: I've got to the end of my family. And I

618
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 3: was in you know, the fifties or sixties, we're still

619
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 3: going in. The venue was not that big, so we

620
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: ended up saying, Okay, we're just going to invite. I

621
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: think the way we determined it was mutual friends of

622
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: ours whose houses we'd been to or they'd been to

623
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: our house.

624
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: That was a very good Yeah, that's that's how everyone

625
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: should do that.

626
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: I think it just there are so many people I'd

627
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: like to consider my friend. But I think that once

628
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: you've been to somebody's house, its just it's a literal

629
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 3: and metaphor crossing of a threshold.

630
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: Right. That's a good I think even for parties and everything.

631
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: That makes it way more efficient guest list. Yeah, yeah,

632
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: because anytime I'm planning a party, I panic, right, I

633
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: think of one person and then it like branches out

634
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: and like, well, there are four people that kind of

635
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: should be in behided and then if I put them

636
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: on that, I mean, it just falls apart so quickly.

637
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is this is step one of every wedding.

638
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

639
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: Wow.

640
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: So how many people total ended up coming in the end?

641
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: We had ninety something people?

642
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: Okay? And did you say no boxed gifts? No?

643
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: I think we were open to anything.

644
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: Did you do a wedding registry?

645
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: We did? We did, which feels crass.

646
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: I mean I think it is. But everyone does it.

647
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: Everyone does it, literally, everyone does it.

648
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

649
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: I think when it gets really crass is what you

650
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: put on it essentrally.

651
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: I mean, and you know there's this like honey fun

652
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: thing now, which is the Western way of saying no.

653
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: Box, getting right, give us some money for a honeymoon

654
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: or whatever. I remember, like the most egregious thing I've

655
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: seen seen on a wedding registry. This was years ago

656
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: when I was still living in Utah. Was someone requested

657
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: an xbox. I just thought, this isn't a Christmas lips

658
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: a child?

659
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: What are you?

660
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: Why would you ask for?

661
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: I really respect it.

662
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: I guess you know, it's some people want to toast

663
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: her oven, someone wants to play Halo or something. But

664
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: I remember thinking, come on.

665
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: Maybe that's their romantic activity.

666
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, I guess it was. I'm to blame for

667
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: not thinking that maybe they were playing together.

668
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: Yes, let that couple have a cooperative game experience, yes, exactly.

669
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, wedding registry that also seems stressful to me.

670
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: It's you know, it was actually, once you get over

671
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: the guilt of the idea of sort of assuming that

672
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: people are going to give you gifts, it's it's pretty fun,

673
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: I think, right, you just go crazy, I think so.

674
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there's because the way that you

675
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 3: can do your registry I think could potentially also say

676
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: something about you. Of course, and in a wedding registry,

677
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: I think it's different than say, like a baby shower,

678
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: where you're like, we just need boxes of diapers. Is

679
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: somebody going to get us the box of diapers? That's

680
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: not a fun gift to ask for or receive, right,

681
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: but you do need it. But I think with the

682
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: wedding registry you could hit those essentials. But it was

683
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: fun to be able to say, like, what's something that

684
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: we imagine in our dream home, you know, how do

685
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: we It feels like part of the imagination of your

686
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: future together.

687
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: Right, What sort of stuff were you putting on them?

688
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 3: I think we put you know, some dishware, Okay, one

689
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: of the things it was it was me only like

690
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: home things. Right when we got married, we were living

691
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: in a little condo that I had lived in by

692
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: myself previously, and then my wife, Lindsay moved in with me,

693
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: and this was really a chance for us to reimagine

694
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: the space as something shared, as opposed to her living

695
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 3: with the stuff that I already had. You know, we've

696
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: done a little bit to try and make it a

697
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: shared space, but this was really like we're starting over.

698
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: And so I think we had like a like a

699
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: little light fixture that we could put in the kitchen

700
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: to replace the things that are and we had dishes

701
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: and things like that.

702
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: Wait, so where were you registered?

703
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: I think that it was a service that lets you

704
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 3: pull in things from the place of a Yeah, so

705
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: we could say, oh, this lamp and then these dishes

706
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 3: and in different places. You weren't locked into one retail.

707
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like thinking back to like Macy's in two

708
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: thousand and three. Yeah, this is a different world. Different

709
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: you know, I've long thought that at some point you

710
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: should get to register as someone who's not who has

711
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: no plans to get married.

712
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: Oh sure, yeah, because it is.

713
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: A nice thing that people get at their wedding. Suddenly

714
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: everyone's just by furnishing their home.

715
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: I think you should be able to register for your

716
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 3: Christmas presence. Sure, let someone buy you an Xbox.

717
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: Those Amazon things which I find extremely strange, but.

718
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: Maybe it's time to normalize them, normalize adult Christmas wish list.

719
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe it's time. And then I yeah, the

720
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 2: Xbox goes right on there.

721
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. The whole point of it is to save everyone

722
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 3: some heartache, sure, in terms of getting something that people

723
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: want and getting things that you want. And then you

724
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: don't have to have returns. Yes, so you just have

725
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: to go to Walmart to return something.

726
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: Oh I did, that's right.

727
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: Imagine put me in a very tight spot there, registry.

728
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should have centered the registry. I've got the

729
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: correct Apple pencil now, so everything is fine. Apple needs

730
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 2: to get it together. With the amount of Apple pencils

731
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: they're selling, it's very confusing.

732
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: There more than one.

733
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: Oh, there are several and it's what are we working

734
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: on in the neighbor's yard. Listener, you're just going to

735
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 2: hear some of this going on. This is being outdoors,

736
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: and that sounds like the machine's falling apart. I'm just

737
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: picturing someone back there in adjacent mask.

738
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: That's just somebody practicing their Halloween costumes.

739
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they're going to apply for a job

740
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 2: at not scary farm or something.

741
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: They're doing a self tape with a chainsaw.

742
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to start doing all of my self tapes

743
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 2: with chainsaws, regardless of what character. That's not a bad idea.

744
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: I also want a headshot with a chainsaw. I'm going

745
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: to become the chainsaw guy.

746
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: Everybody needs a gimmick.

747
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 2: Yes, this should become the next time we do photos

748
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: for this podcast, I'll be holding a chainsaw. No, I

749
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: think I should create a I said no gifts registry.

750
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: The guests can look at the registry.

751
00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: That would be great.

752
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: You know the ways that I'm trying to cheat the system, yesimately,

753
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of what should I spend twenty

754
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: one dollars on?

755
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: What do you need? Well, this is let me put

756
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 3: it this way. What don't you need, but you want.

757
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 3: Oh see, that's that's really what you should be spending

758
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: it on because it's gift money, right.

759
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: That's kind of what happened with this class action settlement recently. Yeah,

760
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: because usually I'll just like, I'll get a gift card

761
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: and I'll just put in my wallet and then let

762
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 2: groceries or where food purchases drain it and then it's gone.

763
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: But I said, I'm going to be purposeful about this,

764
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 2: and I can do that with these twenty one dollars.

765
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: I'm just remembering. It was last fall the Libman brothers

766
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: brought me a thirty dollars money order, is that right?

767
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: I think it was thirty dollars, and we had listeners

768
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 2: vote on what I spent it on, and they voted

769
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: on me going to get a photo shoot at the

770
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: JC Penny Photo Studio, and I think it ended up

771
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: costing me one hundred and fifty dollars, which is a

772
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 2: tough pill to swall. Yeah, but I mean the photos

773
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: will last forever, very high quality obviously, so I'm going

774
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: to try to avoid that situation again. But twenty one dollars.

775
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: Could you my request? Maybe? Since we started the conversation

776
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 3: this way could you spend that money on buying yourself

777
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: some music, maybe physical media.

778
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: That's not a bad idea. I'm trying to get back

779
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: into the mode of physical media, at least with Blu rays.

780
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: I'm starting with Blu rays again because it, I mean,

781
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: for so many reasons, is so much better than streaming.

782
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I got an email last night about of sale

783
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 3: at the Criterion Collection. Oh, and I think there were

784
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 3: some things that you could get for twenty one dollars.

785
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: Did you buy anything?

786
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: I have them in my cart, but I haven't.

787
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: Didn't mean this is my style of shop. Yeah, just

788
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 2: forget it in the.

789
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 3: Car because I just got something from them.

790
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: But what did you get?

791
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: I got the Blu ray of you can count on me?

792
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 3: Oh great choice. Yeah. Yeah.

793
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: Maybe I should get a new play and I or

794
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: just even get on band camp.

795
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: Band camp yep, But I think of physical Do you

796
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: still have a CD player?

797
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: Do I have a CD player anywhere in my home?

798
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: No?

799
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: I still have two iPods, but they need some help.

800
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: Do you have a record player?

801
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: I don't see. This is something I I've got to

802
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 2: get to a place in my life where I can buy.

803
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: Once I buy a record player and begin buying records,

804
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: it's going to ruin my life, you know, because that

805
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: is something I would like to have. But moving back

806
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: and forth across the country. With books, I finally gave

807
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: up on buying mostly I don't buy a lot of

808
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: I'll only get book digital books because I can't pack

809
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: boxes with books anymore. I mean, I I now live

810
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: in this house, so it's not like knock on wood.

811
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 2: I won't be fleeing in the night. But with records,

812
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: it's a similar thing. And I've gotten records on this

813
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: podcast before and I love getting them. But there's a

814
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: there's a fear that it's going to take over my

815
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 2: space and then just be a huge money drain.

816
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: But CDs, I'm excited that CDs are coming back.

817
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: They're coming back. Yeah, I'm not familiar with this. Yeah,

818
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: where do you even buy CDs?

819
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 3: Well, I think I mean on the internet online? Sure,

820
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 3: and that shows Wow. Yeah, interesting, there are CDs at

821
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: the merch table.

822
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: Why do you feel like people are getting back into CDs?

823
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: What I heard, I don't know if this is true,

824
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 3: but what I heard is that because gen Z thinks

825
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: it's cool and kind of cool phenomenon art fact, novelty,

826
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, and I don't know if that's if

827
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 3: it's driven by irony or just or legitimate excitement or

828
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: just because they're into all things nineties right, But whatever

829
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 3: the reason, I'm excited about it. Yeah.

830
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: I have so many CDs at my parents' house. I

831
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: have giant tupperware of CDs, and I'm just like, I

832
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: have no use for these cars no longer have CDs.

833
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: Well that's that's the thing that I'm hoping will change

834
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: if this gets big enough again, can we put CD

835
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 3: players back?

836
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: It would be so great. Yeah, CD players and buttons,

837
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: Let's get them back in cars. Yeah, the climate control

838
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: buttons on my car are I mean, there's no but

839
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: so I have to do looking at this thing in order.

840
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: It's an absolute nightmare. No bad engineering, I would say.

841
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: But CDs. I feel like CDs are there are so

842
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: many good qualities to them. My number one thing is

843
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: just being able to listen to it over and over. Yeah,

844
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: whereas with a lot of streaming services you have to

845
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 2: like manually turn on the play this over button every

846
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: time you want to, or the shuffle thing gets all.

847
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: It's a nightmare.

848
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 3: It's a nightmare. I think that's my wish for you

849
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 3: is spend that on us.

850
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: How WI should we charge for a CD at this point?

851
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 2: I think fifty dollars okay, So the price has basically

852
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: stayed the same. I think I feel like there was

853
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 2: a point when CDs got super expensive and then dropped

854
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: to about when they were on their decline to like

855
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: nine to ninety nine, and then vanished for such a

856
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: long time. When a band puts out an album, now,

857
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 2: does the record company still produce CDs every time?

858
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 3: Well? This is part of the reason why I've been

859
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 3: thinking about it, because I'm I'm going to be putting

860
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: out a new album next year, and and I just

861
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: had to send it off to get mastered.

862
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: Right.

863
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: The mastering engineer said, do you you know what formats?

864
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: Am?

865
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 3: I am? I mastering this for it? Right? And I said,

866
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: you have vinyl and CD and digital? Okay? And I

867
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: got excited about that.

868
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course yes, because most bands will at least

869
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: put out vinyl when maybe tapes. Yeah, but the CD

870
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: is still now it's like an option.

871
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see CDs now, Wow, that's really fast. New

872
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 3: CDs for new music.

873
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 2: And see the tape renaissance when cassette tapes came back.

874
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: It is like that it's not a good format. This

875
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: is driven by irony on some level, right, But a

876
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: CD is a pretty good format.

877
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

878
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: The quality is very good. They're more not bulky. Yeah,

879
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm into that idea.

880
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: You can't play vinyl in the car yet? Yeah?

881
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: Was there ever appointment people were playing vinyl in the car? No,

882
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 2: but it feels like someone probably tried at some point.

883
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, right, this it's not.

884
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: You go to the show. You're like, I loved this band,

885
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 3: I bought the vinyl. I want to listen to it

886
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 3: on my way home. Now I still have to put on.

887
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: The streaming, right. Oh and then the other problem with

888
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: CDs is now that no computer has a.

889
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: Disc drive, right, No computers have anything.

890
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: I mean, they're just essentially an iPad with a keyboard.

891
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, just unfortunately they're just ken dolls with screens.

892
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: For me, Yeah, because I do like to rip my

893
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: music if I have a CD. Oh, there's so many

894
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: things to worry about. But I'm gonna have to go.

895
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: I would like to go to a store and buy

896
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: a CD. I guess Amiba has CDs. Yeah, that's mostly

897
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: what a meba I haven't been to Amba in a

898
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 2: long time, but you're still going through CDs there, right.

899
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: I think they do still have a CD section.

900
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe like I'm talking about this, I'm

901
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: talking about CDs in this way. It's like that they're

902
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 2: just totally like they really vanished pretty quickly, Yeah, and

903
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: are now back, and I guess Electronics Company are going

904
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: to start making portable CD players again.

905
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 3: I think so fascinating. I like, otherwise you can listen

906
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: to it in near the xbox that you get on your.

907
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, most of my music listening coincided, Like there was

908
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: a brief period of listening to music on CDs, but

909
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 2: most of it was iPod era. So yeah, the idea

910
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: of just like putting it one CD into a disc

911
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: player and then having that it's kind of foreign to me.

912
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: And then but unfortunately you can't even put them in

913
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: my car. I guess I could buy an entire like

914
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 2: a Honda Civic from two thousand and one. I get

915
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: that probably would cost almost as much as buying a

916
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 2: new CD player or a new CD, yeah, or a

917
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: new CD. I worked at best Buy for a brief period,

918
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: and that was there was very little employee discount, but

919
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 2: you could get a CD for five or six dollars

920
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: and it was a dream world just buying CD after

921
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 2: CD for half the price.

922
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 3: As an aside, can I tell you that I really

923
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 3: love hearing all of the other jobs that you had

924
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: in your past to be I think one of the

925
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 3: things that I really appreciate in the way that the

926
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: show is there are these anecdotes that come up that

927
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: revealed the sort of multitude of lives that you lived.

928
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: Life I've stumbled through. Oh my god, if you saw

929
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: my resume, you'd be like, this person cannot be trusted to.

930
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: I have a job. I have the same thing.

931
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 2: What was your first job?

932
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 3: My very first job was as a bookshelvert at the library.

933
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, which is probably I bet that feels like

934
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: a satisfying job.

935
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 3: It was great. I really enjoyed it. I love libraries. Yeah,

936
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 3: see my above comments about being a nerd, and so

937
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: it was great to be able to be in the

938
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: library and get paid to do it.

939
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 2: Right, You get to be in a nice, peaceful atmosphere.

940
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: You probably get to see books that you weren't you

941
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 2: haven't really thought about before because you're seeing everybody's books

942
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 2: and it's Were you ever infuriated when somebody would reshelve

943
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: the book themselves?

944
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 3: No, I don't know if it would have even occurred

945
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: to me that that happened, because you know, I'd show

946
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: up the library and like, here's the here's the many

947
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 3: carts of books that.

948
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 2: Okay, so you didn't have to worry about the reorganization.

949
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, who does that at the library? Well, I would,

950
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: you know, have to take take it and put it

951
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: back in the right place. But once it was and

952
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 3: if you're you're on the shelf and you see things

953
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: are out of order.

954
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: You do it yourself there. But yeah, I because I

955
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: feel like you could really make librarians a life life

956
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: a nightmare.

957
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I reshl Yeah. But then I went from that,

958
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 3: uh to then my my job that summer was working

959
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: in McDonald's.

960
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 2: Wow, what a swing. Yeah, were you uh front counter

961
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: or a cook front counter?

962
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: Only I was fourteen, so I was not allowed to

963
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: to work anywhere else.

964
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: Was that like a state law?

965
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: I think? So yeah, oh yeah that's going on in

966
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: the McDonald's. It's child labor laws.

967
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: Good for them.

968
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd make fries. You can make fries.

969
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: Actually, it's like the most dangerous thing to make.

970
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was, you know, outside of the the kitchen,

971
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 3: so I couldn't couldn't go to where there they were,

972
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 3: like the interesting burners.

973
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: But because I feel like there's very little going on

974
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: in the mc donald's kitchen outside of boiling hot oil.

975
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that was part of it.

976
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: No one should be handling. Yeah, that feels like a

977
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: machines job. Wow, how interesting? How long were you McDonald's for.

978
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 3: Just the summer? The summer? Okay, yeah, how.

979
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 2: Was that as a job. I've never I've worked in

980
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: plenty of front counter at restaurants, but not at a McDonald's.

981
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. I have to say I didn't mind it. Okay,

982
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 3: you know, I certainly wished, I guess I had a

983
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: job that required more thinking or something, but it was.

984
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: It was fine. It was I liked going to the

985
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: mall and I liked McDonald's and dream job. There just

986
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: weren't that many options at fourteen years old for a job.

987
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: But I needed to work, so that was kind of

988
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 3: that was kind of it. Yeah.

989
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: My first job at that age was it was at

990
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: Schlatsky's Deli. Oh yeah, which is a miserable experience. Yeah,

991
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: I mean parts of it are fun. Did you have

992
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: to do any of the dishwashing or anything? No, okay,

993
00:46:58,880 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: once you get I don't think.

994
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 3: That they're our dishes to Washington McDonald's. Great, it's only.

995
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: Point paper packaging, right, There's probably very little back there

996
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: that needs to be cleaned, right.

997
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 3: Well, the grills and stuff like that, But that was

998
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 3: what the adults did, or at least you know, and

999
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: anybody who was over the age of sixteen to me,

1000
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 3: wasn't adult.

1001
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: Right. Meanwhile, you're living your teenage dream. Yeah, how interesting.

1002
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: The worst part of any food job, I would say,

1003
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: is closing, Okay, just agony being there at the end

1004
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: of the day and having to clean everything up, especially

1005
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 2: if somebody shows up late.

1006
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1007
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: I feel like as a society, most people at this

1008
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: point have it's kind of occurred to them. Oh maybe

1009
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: don't show up ten minutes before a restaurant closes and

1010
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 2: then stay for an hour after.

1011
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: So you worked in a place that had that was

1012
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: a standalone Yes, I worked in the mall.

1013
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: Oh, and the mall has very strict like get out.

1014
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 3: Or also just it's not our problem if you're in

1015
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: the food court.

1016
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, right, what else was in the food court.

1017
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 3: Oh God, paint me a picture. I don't remember what

1018
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: else was there. What I remember most was to come

1019
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: to the McDonald's. It was not the sort of like

1020
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: main front entrance. The closest entrance was the side entrance

1021
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 3: where there was an old navy Oh interesting.

1022
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the clothes must have smelled like French fries.

1023
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 3: It's a feature, not absolute feature.

1024
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: This comes from the French fry old day. Yeah, just

1025
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 2: greasy smelling clothing. Okay, well, I'm gonna buy some at

1026
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: least one.

1027
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 3: CD with grease, which do you know, No, you'll buy Yeah,

1028
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 3: that's a great I think maybe maybe your listeners can.

1029
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: I'm not letting anybody not with music.

1030
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, you won't even let your friends recommend a movie

1031
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: to you.

1032
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm very picky. I'm I'm not crossing that bridge.

1033
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: But what I will do is I'll pick an artist

1034
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: who's alive and active, so some of the money can

1035
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: go to them. Excellent, and uh, I'll let everybody know

1036
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: once I buy the CD.

1037
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 3: Okay, great, yeah, well you please please tell me.

1038
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be purchased new because obviously you use none

1039
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: of the money will go to the artist. This is

1040
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: going to take again. This is what happens to me.

1041
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: I begin overthinking, and in my life it just chips

1042
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 2: away at my mental health.

1043
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: So really, I've given you homework.

1044
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: You've given me homework in there probably the most difficult way.

1045
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 2: But I'm really excited. I haven't bought I can't remember

1046
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: the last CD I even bought. I mean it was

1047
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: probably in twenty twenty ten, maybe, yeah, I wonder what

1048
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: it was.

1049
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been buying vinyl just because it's more fun.

1050
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: To buy, it's more collectible.

1051
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 3: Put on the record. But I'm excited, and also because

1052
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: I don't have a way to play a CD right now, right,

1053
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 3: But I'm going to invest, reinvest. I have so many

1054
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 3: CDs sitting in my garage.

1055
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and minor are in good conditions. Oh yeah, do

1056
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: you remember the first CD you bought?

1057
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 3: Yes, the very first CD that I bought with money

1058
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: that I made working McDonald's, because that's what I used

1059
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: the moments to buy my first CD player and first CD.

1060
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: It was the last Action Hero soundtrack.

1061
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 2: Who was on that soundtrack?

1062
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: The main theme was performed by Buckethead, Oh, and it

1063
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 3: was the score was composed by Michael Kayman. I think

1064
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: a CDC was on the soundtrack, and yeah, there was something.

1065
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 3: It had a little bit of a hard rock and

1066
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed the movie.

1067
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: That was the one where like Arnold Schwarzenegger comes out

1068
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: of the screen, yeah, or someone goes into the score

1069
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: both both. Wow, World's really collide? Yeah, I do think

1070
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: I saw that movie.

1071
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 3: I saw it again just recently at videots.

1072
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 2: I'm sure it holds up very well.

1073
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 3: It's great. It was really perfect film. Yeah, what's the conceit?

1074
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: Why does why do the world's collide in that film?

1075
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 3: You know, like some magic ticket kind of scientist.

1076
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure it makes perfect logics.

1077
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

1078
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: Was it an original a CDC song for the film

1079
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: or was it a.

1080
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 3: I think it?

1081
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it was tough to hear. You know,

1082
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: you want one of their hits. Yeah, I don't want

1083
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: them composing a new song.

1084
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 3: You don't know it could have been a hit. You

1085
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 3: have to be optimistic.

1086
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be optimistic about them writing a

1087
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: new song. For that.

1088
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 3: You have to put a dollar at the end of

1089
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 3: their their gift. It's the start of something new.

1090
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: No, I feel like at this point in their career,

1091
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 2: we were at twenty dollars. Okay, well, I'm excited for

1092
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: my adventure in CD buying.

1093
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 3: I think they might have written that like a new

1094
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 3: song that might have been called Last Action Hero.

1095
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 2: On Elise, can you confirmat in fact check the track,

1096
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 2: let's find out. I'd like to hear the title of

1097
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: their song for this movie.

1098
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: Last Action Hero by Tesla, Oh, by Tesla?

1099
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: Tesla? Tesla was a band.

1100
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 3: Interesting they shredded?

1101
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I think we should play a game. Okay,

1102
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: We're going to play a game called Gift or a Curse.

1103
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 2: But I need a number between one and ten.

1104
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 3: From and has to be between one and ten.

1105
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: Well, it's up to you.

1106
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 3: How about twelve twelve?

1107
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 2: Okay twelve? Wow, you've really broken a rule hair, Yeah,

1108
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: and I appreciate that, act.

1109
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 3: I just feel like we've already started talking about superstitions,

1110
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 3: which are really the biggest curse that you can give

1111
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 3: someone as a gift. Oh, absolutely the worst thing that

1112
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 3: I've gotten from my family and really anybody, anybody who

1113
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: wants to tell me a new superstition, I instantly believe

1114
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: and I'm instantly cursed by.

1115
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're planting a seed of paranoia in someone's brain exactly. Well,

1116
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: they cannot let go for the rest of their life.

1117
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, because what if it's Yeah, that's real. And so

1118
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 3: twelve is my lucky number. Okay, okay, so you know

1119
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to try and counteract that a little bit

1120
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 3: with a little positive superstition.

1121
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, lucky superstision. Okay, I have to do some like

1122
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: calculating to get our game pieces. You can promote, recommend,

1123
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: do whatever you want.

1124
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. Thank you so much for speaking kindly

1125
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 3: about song Exploder. I have another podcast that I make

1126
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 3: these days called Home Cooking, which is a show about

1127
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 3: cooking my friend Samine nos Rat, who is incredible chef

1128
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 3: and cookbook author. She wrote Salt, Fat, Asset Heat, and

1129
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 3: she has a new book called Good Things. We've Been

1130
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: We started in the pandemic and it's sort of a

1131
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 3: call in question, question and answer format. We try and

1132
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 3: help people who were struggling with the ingredients or techniques

1133
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 3: or things like that. And mainly it was something we

1134
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 3: started for a little bit of companionship during the pandemic

1135
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 3: in lockdown, and now we've brought it back and that's

1136
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 3: been really fun.

1137
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: That sounds great. Were you cooking prior to this podcast.

1138
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I'm not a trained or expert to

1139
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 3: cook anything like that. I'm sort of like I could

1140
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 3: sort of a guy for a meal right together with

1141
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 3: the press. Actually, I can improvise a meal, and in fact,

1142
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 3: I'm probably better at that than following. I'm very bad

1143
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 3: at following a recipe.

1144
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: Okay, sure, sure and correct me if I'm wrong. You

1145
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 2: like chocolate chip cookies, that is correct, and you bake them?

1146
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: Yes?

1147
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 2: Do you have your own recipe?

1148
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 3: I have a few that I feel like I've made

1149
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 3: that I'm excited about.

1150
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 2: Okay, what's your ideal cookie?

1151
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 3: There's one that I that I made that I was

1152
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 3: excited by where I didn't have quite enough of either

1153
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 3: like chocolate chips or chocolate chunks. Okay, bar right for thing,

1154
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: So I just I combined the two, but then it

1155
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 3: still wasn't quite enough, so I also threw in It

1156
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 3: was basically like a kitchen sink kind of chocolate cookie

1157
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: where I also had raisins and pecans and coconut.

1158
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: Okay, great, And that was sounds.

1159
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: Fantastic because then I didn't have to choose, you know,

1160
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 3: one thing or other is just it's kind of.

1161
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: A trail mixed cookie. Yeah, that sounds fantastic. I love

1162
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 2: to bake a cookie.

1163
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 3: Really.

1164
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm baking constant well, baking only chocol the

1165
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 2: chip cookies.

1166
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 3: Essentially, what podcast can I start that you will bring

1167
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 3: me chocolate cookies?

1168
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: Oh that's a great question. I can't come on song exploder.

1169
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: You should create a baking podcast.

1170
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. I have a newsletter that is called Accept Cookies.

1171
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 2: Oh okay, perfect, So maybe the ideal. I'll bring it

1172
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 2: to the newsletter. Great, great, great, you find me on

1173
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: your newsletter. Okay, this is how we play Gift or

1174
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 2: a Curse. I'm going to name three things, and you're

1175
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 2: going to tell me if there're a gift or a

1176
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: curse and why. Oh, then I will tell you if

1177
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: you're right or wrong, because there are correct answers. All right,

1178
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: This first one is from the senurnamed Annie. Gift or

1179
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: a curse when streaming services ask you to choose which

1180
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 2: AD experience you'd prefer.

1181
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 3: And there's no way to get out of this by

1182
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,439
Speaker 3: just paying your way to the ad free tier.

1183
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 2: No, there's as far as Annie here is concerned. You

1184
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: started up and they ask you which of these would

1185
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 2: you prefer? Is that a gift or a curse. I

1186
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: suppose it's a gift, because I know what my answer is.

1187
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 2: My answer, give me all the ads at the beginning.

1188
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 3: Don't break up the thing in the middle of it.

1189
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: You know, I'm, as you might have gathered, kind of

1190
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 3: dogmatic about the way that I watch things, and I

1191
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 3: don't want to be interrupted right in the middle of

1192
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 3: the act or something like that, especially artificially, because so

1193
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 3: many things are made now where they it wasn't intended

1194
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 3: with the three acts, I mean, with the commercial breaks

1195
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 3: right right, So you're gonna throw ads in there just

1196
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 3: while in the you know.

1197
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: It gets chaotic. Sometimes the ad breaks become in the weirdest.

1198
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 3: Spot at this point halfway through a sentence.

1199
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: Yes, but it feels like a glitch sometimes.

1200
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I appreciate. I guess that they're not forcing

1201
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 3: that upon me, and I'll take my ads up front. Please,

1202
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 3: So gift wrong verse.

1203
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: Uh, First of all, don't make me complicit in the

1204
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 2: ad experience. Just you're the one creating the problem with

1205
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: the ads. Just force them on me in whatever way you.

1206
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 3: Want, whatever way you want.

1207
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to be part of the decision making

1208
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: with the ads. It's not my job. Just shove the

1209
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: ads down my throat wherever you want. Wow, don't I

1210
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 2: don't want to have to click one more button.

1211
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 3: I've never been so happy to be wrong.

1212
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 2: Okay, you got one wrong, and that's fine. This next

1213
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: one is from a listener named Jeff Gift or a

1214
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: curse sitting in multi thousand dollars massage massage chairs at

1215
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: airports or them all but not paying to use them.

1216
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 3: So they're just chairs.

1217
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: I guess there're those giant chairs with the you know,

1218
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: they probably cover your legs on some way. If the

1219
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: machine was running, it would be crushing your body.

1220
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 3: Sure, I think that's a gift because I'm always grateful

1221
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 3: for a chair. I mean, like it's giving it's already

1222
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 3: giving me two options. I could not use the chair standing,

1223
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 3: or here's a second option. And even when it's not working,

1224
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 3: it's still a chair. And if it's the massage chair,

1225
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: it's probably more comfortable than whatever plastic nonsense is in

1226
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 3: the regular area.

1227
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: Correct, Gift. Look, I'm not giving them my money, but

1228
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 2: the chair is there.

1229
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm happy.

1230
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: To take advantage of the airport.

1231
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 3: At the mall, you're kind of getting a discount massage yes.

1232
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: You're getting a little something, yeah, beyond the bench that

1233
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: they provide or whatever. And I don't know, I feel like,

1234
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: why not, why not experience the leather in the mall? Yeah,

1235
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: be covered up by you know, in the airport, and

1236
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: they're usually further away from everyone else. It's a quiet

1237
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: spot and it's a chance to be confronted by security.

1238
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 3: So why not. My friends and I have something that

1239
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 3: we call cheap thrills, which is the opportunity to do

1240
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 3: something that costs nothing, right, but it adds a little excitement.

1241
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 3: Like when you're walking down the street and there's a

1242
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: little curb raised curb, you can just walk on that

1243
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 3: like a tight rope for a few feet until it ends,

1244
00:58:59,160 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 3: and then you hop back.

1245
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: Oh that sounds great.

1246
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 3: That was a cheap thrill. That was more exciting than

1247
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 3: just walking on the sidewalk and an unoperational massage share.

1248
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's free. That's a cheap thrill.

1249
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,479
Speaker 2: Your heart is pounding thinking, I am kind of breaking

1250
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: a rule right now. I'm supposed to be paying for this.

1251
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 2: I'm wasting the space.

1252
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just upgraded my experience of sitting.

1253
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: What a bargain.

1254
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a gift.

1255
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 2: All right, you've gotten one right so far. This final

1256
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 2: one is from a listener named John. Gift or a

1257
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 2: curse when a video game has a fishing minigame as

1258
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: a bonus, A what kind of mini game? A fishing minigameishing.

1259
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 3: Minigame where if you play it correctly, someone steals your

1260
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 3: identity and your credit rights.

1261
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 2: You're you know, you get a weird text and you

1262
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: just said, well I might know this person. I'll give

1263
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: them my social security number? Why not?

1264
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 3: What's about a gift about that?

1265
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: No?

1266
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 3: You mean an f I okay, yeah, because I was

1267
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 3: also kind of hoping that maybe there's a to game

1268
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 3: that you're can unlock where you listen to fish.

1269
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: Albums other than the video game is like fifty hours long.

1270
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly and mostly silly. But there are a lot

1271
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 3: of people.

1272
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 2: Who there's so many people that are so passionate liking

1273
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 2: every part of that. Yes, they find a way to

1274
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 2: enjoy the entire improvised video game.

1275
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 3: I have never encountered a video game where there's a secret.

1276
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: Fishing fishing mini game.

1277
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 3: I have played games where there's like a there's gwent

1278
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 3: you know in the Witcher games. Oh yeah, of course,

1279
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 3: where it's like a it's a card game, right, yeah,

1280
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 3: and you can just get lost in quent and and

1281
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 3: I'll say that's a gift because that's just that's just

1282
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: more game.

1283
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, correct gift. Why not have a fishing mini

1284
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 2: game in every video game Mortal Kombat, you should be

1285
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: able to fish in that that would.

1286
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 3: Be great and use your special powers, you know, like like.

1287
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 2: The Scorpion throws his thing into the water and catch fish. Yes, exactly, Wow,

1288
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 2: they I feel like Mortal Kombat. Actually every character probably

1289
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 2: has something they could use that would make them a

1290
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: better fisher person.

1291
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1292
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting Mortal Kombat reach out.

1293
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 3: I'm rethinking all games and seeing how flawed they are

1294
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 3: for not having a fish.

1295
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1296
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 3: Do you play a lot of video games. We've talked

1297
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 3: about your Xbox I play.

1298
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 2: I play probably two to three complete video games a year.

1299
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 2: I love playing video games, but I rarely like sit

1300
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: down to play them anymore.

1301
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 3: But why was that.

1302
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 2: Attention span? All sorts of things. A lot of video

1303
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 2: games now just don't really appeal to me as a person.

1304
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: A lot of them just feel like worse movies.

1305
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:39,919
Speaker 3: Yep.

1306
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 2: So, but when I get into a video game, I

1307
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: absolutely adore it. And one video game that had a

1308
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 2: phishing mini game was a couple of the Zelda games

1309
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 2: had fishing mini games. I love phishing in these things.

1310
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: Very satisfying to catch a fish. Yeah, every game should

1311
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: have the ability to fish. It's just a nice break

1312
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 2: from what else, what the other thing you're doing?

1313
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am. I just recently, as in like last week,

1314
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 3: climbed out of the hole that I had dug for

1315
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 3: myself by starting Ghost of Sushima.

1316
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 2: Oh, my boyfriend's in the middle of Ghost of Yote.

1317
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 3: Well I'm excited about that. When and I thought I

1318
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 3: should play the first one so I can get all

1319
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 3: the references, right, you don't want to see the sequel, right,

1320
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 3: so this is very you all the in jokes you

1321
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,479
Speaker 3: know you'd be missing, yeah, all.

1322
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: And those games are very comedy. Yet that feels like

1323
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 2: a game that could have a fishing mini game.

1324
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 3: Well, I felt like there's this It is sort of

1325
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 3: a thing that helps unlock the actual game. But you know,

1326
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 3: all the little moments where you get to go follow

1327
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 3: a fox around, right and find a shrine and then

1328
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 3: you get to pet the fox afterwards.

1329
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 2: Wonderful idea.

1330
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 3: Really, just I was so happy that there was the

1331
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 3: part where you can pet the fox. That was a great, great,

1332
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 3: great little break from all the just you know, killing

1333
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 3: and brutal beheading and stuff like that.

1334
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like that game. I've more and more

1335
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 2: like violence and video games stresses me out. I'm not

1336
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 2: like opposed to it, but I'm just like, just take

1337
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 2: all of that out and let me follow the animal

1338
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: through the woods. That's I've got too much else in

1339
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: my life.

1340
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, of the everything else but the fishing game.

1341
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I just need to buy a fishing game. Yeah,

1342
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 2: that's probably my problem. Well you got two out of three,

1343
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: all right, not too bad.

1344
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I still stand by my first answer.

1345
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: Well, and that's up to you. I don't know what

1346
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 2: to tell you. Okay, this is the final segment of

1347
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 2: the podcast. It's called I said no emails, and people

1348
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: are writing in or sending voicemails to voice notes. I

1349
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,479
Speaker 2: suppose that are sixty seconds long in a quiet place.

1350
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 2: I said no gets at gmail dot com. We hope

1351
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 2: answer question.

1352
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 3: Yes, I'd love to.

1353
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 2: All right, let's get into it here. Let's see. Okay,

1354
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 2: Now this one just starts with bridge or usually they

1355
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 2: say and guests. So this person's not.

1356
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 3: Very considerate, explicitly excluding me.

1357
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 2: Yes, but I would love for you to participate, even

1358
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 2: though this person doesn't deserve it, it says Bridger. My

1359
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 2: mom is turning seventy and in all that time I

1360
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 2: have never given her a gift that she's liked. She's

1361
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: extremely frugal, and her major concern is how much did

1362
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: it cost? Or was this purchase with a coupon? And

1363
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 2: for God's sake, why not We live in the Midwest.

1364
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 2: She's a big fan of murder mysteries but already has

1365
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 2: a ton of books. I hop yarn, sign language and bland,

1366
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: breakfast food with decaf, but hates alcohol, technology, gun lobbyists,

1367
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 2: and couponless monetary decisions. Do you have any suggestions as

1368
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 2: a gift expert, Christopher Christopher, Oh, okay, well again, I'm

1369
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 2: sorry I didn't include you. Whatever sounds like he's I mean,

1370
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: has failed his mom in so many ways.

1371
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 3: This is a great question for you, especially as you're

1372
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 3: about to go pick up your mom.

1373
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I didn't even think about that. Now,

1374
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,959
Speaker 2: my mom, when I give her a gift where there's

1375
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 2: a lot of crying, she's impossible to.

1376
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 3: Give a gift to oh, crying because she's unhappy.

1377
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 2: No, that she's just like she doesn't want us to

1378
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 2: give her anything else our way in a sweet way,

1379
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 2: which is also so infuriating because it's like, Mom, please

1380
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: let me just give you something. Yeah. But I think

1381
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 2: she and I are finally on the same page as like, Okay,

1382
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 2: I give up.

1383
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you bringing her a gift when you go

1384
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 3: pick her.

1385
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 2: Up to No, she won't take anything. Yeah, it has

1386
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 2: to be. It's very well. I did send her a

1387
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 2: nice little snoopy tile recently from our friend Dave Clock

1388
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: Dave reach Out, but that was a thing that was

1389
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: through the mail, and she loves snoopy, so I thought

1390
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 2: she can't resist.

1391
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 3: You're not there for her to protest against it. Yeah.

1392
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 2: So but what does this mom want? She loves going

1393
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 2: to I Hop and Bland breakfast food.

1394
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 3: I think the answer would be for Christopher to use

1395
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 3: a coupon to buy the ingredients to make pancakes at

1396
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 3: home for his mom.

1397
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 2: This feels like he's trying to teach her a lesson.

1398
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter if the pancakes turn out well

1399
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 3: or not, because apparently.

1400
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 2: She doesn't really care. These could be essentially just flour

1401
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: and water.

1402
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he could potentially, you know, not even mention

1403
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 3: the fact that he bought the ingredients, just say I'm

1404
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 3: inviting you over to make you food. Then she's not

1405
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 3: thinking about the sort of the consumeris right, consumer's part

1406
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 3: of it. But then if she says, how much did

1407
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 3: you spend on this, he can say, well, I used

1408
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 3: a coupon.

1409
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 2: I used a coupon. There's nothing you can complain about, mom,

1410
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 2: this is your ultimate gift.

1411
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 3: And it's also just such a loving act to make

1412
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 3: pancakes or someone.

1413
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, although if someone made pancakes for me but

1414
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 2: I had to drive to them, I'd be like, you're

1415
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 2: really ruining my morning. Don't make me do something in

1416
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 2: the morning.

1417
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 3: It has I have to What about night pancakes?

1418
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 2: Night pancakes, Well, now we're getting getting into territory of like, well,

1419
01:06:58,040 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 2: they've got to be very good.

1420
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 3: Pancakes, Like, have you ever had night I Hop pancakes?

1421
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 2: Going to I Hop late at night is a fun experience,

1422
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 2: going to a diner late at night. Yeah, maybe he

1423
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 2: takes her to I Hop late at night.

1424
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 3: But then she could potentially complain about spending money.

1425
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 2: Well, if he gets the coupon. Yeah, or if he

1426
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 2: there's got to be another way to get the price down,

1427
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 2: I hop kind of haggle with the waiter.

1428
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 3: Can you use your connections to get an I hop

1429
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 3: sponsorship that you can then transfer a coupon code over

1430
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 3: to Christopher.

1431
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 2: I imagine I hoop will just give me a franchise

1432
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: and then we'll be Bridger's ie Hop and I will

1433
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 2: give this one customer a slight discount on pancakes for

1434
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 2: his mom. He has to pay full price for his pancakes.

1435
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 3: That's only fair.

1436
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 2: I think that's perfectly fair. And considering that I had

1437
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: to read his.

1438
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 3: Email, considering he didn't even include me.

1439
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, the emotional labor he's made us do here has

1440
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 2: been disgusting, and his mom hates him. You know, he's

1441
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 2: he's struck out as far as I'm concerned with the gifts.

1442
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 2: So the final and he can make one final attempt

1443
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 2: have her over for a flower and water pancakes and

1444
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 2: see what that does to the relationship. You know, she's seventy,

1445
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 2: it's time to start experimenting. I think we answered the

1446
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 2: question perfectly, Christopher. And if Christopher writes back in I

1447
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 2: don't you know I don't even I don't. I don't

1448
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 2: want to talk about it.

1449
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 3: You already said no email, I.

1450
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 2: Said no emails. This one, this one crossed a lot

1451
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 2: of lines for me. Well, I've got twenty one dollars

1452
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 2: for my future CD purchase. I'm so excited about this

1453
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 2: to go to the record store and buy a CD.

1454
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to seem so gen z. Everyone's going to

1455
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 2: be looking at me and I'll have my la boo

1456
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 2: boo and La booo must be out at this point, right,

1457
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 2: I think it's got to be. The trend was probably

1458
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 2: dead like four months ago.

1459
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 3: I think if this many people know about it, Yeah,

1460
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 3: it's no longer cool.

1461
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: It might almost be like in the irony psychologists. Yeah,

1462
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: things go very fast these days. I'm very excited about

1463
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 2: my twenty one dollars and I've had such a lovely

1464
01:08:59,040 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 2: time with you here.

1465
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 3: Maybe you could consider changing the name of the show too,

1466
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 3: I said, no boxed gifts.

1467
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 2: Maybe that can be our show together?

1468
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Oh, and then people just bring us cash.

1469
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 2: Yes, great, And then it will become a huge you know,

1470
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 2: it's going to become a lawsuit at some point. There'll

1471
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: be a bitter court battle between the two of us

1472
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 2: trying to divvy up the cash. Yeah, but until that

1473
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 2: point will have a great time.

1474
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, there'll be a class action suit and then you'll

1475
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 3: have to spend more on.

1476
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: Well.

1477
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 2: Thank you for being here, Thank you so much for

1478
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 2: having me listener. The podcast is over. I hate to

1479
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: break it to you, but I imagine you know how

1480
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 2: most podcasts work, and you certainly don't how this one works.

1481
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 2: So don't you know, don't feign like you've thought that

1482
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 2: this was going to keep going, because it wasn't. I

1483
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 2: have to get out of here, move on, I love you, goodbye.

1484
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. Our

1485
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 2: senior producer is on A Lisa now Nelson, and our

1486
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 2: episodes are beautifully mixed by Ben Holliday. The theme song

1487
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: is by miracle Worker Amy Mann, and we couldn't do

1488
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 2: it without our booker, Patrick Cottner. You must follow the

1489
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: show on Instagram at I said No Gifts, that's where

1490
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 2: you're going to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts

1491
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm getting. And don't you want to see the gifts?

1492
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:20,759
Speaker 3: I invit?

1493
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: Did you hear? Thunna made myself perfectly clear, But you're

1494
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 1: a guess. To me, You gotta come to me empty,

1495
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: And I said, no guests, your presences, presents, and I

1496
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: already had too much stuff.

1497
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 2: So how do you dare to surbey me?