1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to yet another episode of Horrible Decisions. 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: This is your girl, Mandy. I am in the studio 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: today solo. But it's all good because this is going 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: to be a great episode. I just feel it. Um. 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Before we get started, I do want to thank each 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: and every one of you who bought tickets to the 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: New York City Live Show June twenty two. It's sold out. 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: I just want to let y'all know it's sold out. Um, 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: you guys are hitting us up for more tickets. It's 10 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: at a university, so listen. We ain't got standing room, 11 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: we ain't got nothing for you. I don't know what 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: to tell you. UM. We normally get people, um the 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: week of who cannot attend, and so we will keep 14 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: you guys posted if any tickets become available. Other than that, 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see y'all host. Um. It will be 16 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: me and greet for everyone. So I'm excited to meet 17 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: all of you that are coming out. Also, I want 18 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: to give a shout out to the Girl Mob day. Um. 19 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: I did a panel discussion this past weekend with the 20 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: Girl Mob and I was alongside Beautiful Woman, Beautiful Black 21 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: entre Renewers and women who are interested in discussing their 22 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: mental health and sexual liberation. UM. So again, I just 23 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: want to shout out the Girl Mob. You guys also 24 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: should follow them on their social media at the girl 25 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Mob and keep up with all events in New York 26 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: City that have to do with women empowerment. It was 27 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: super amazing and I want to thank everyone who came 28 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: out and knew about horrible decisions. UM. I'm gonna go 29 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: ahead now and introduce our guests because I'm super excited. 30 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: I've been trying to get them on the show for 31 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: a long time. We have a couple in the studio again, 32 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: and I feel like every time we kind of do 33 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: solo episodes, it's couples. So I'm just excited. I do 34 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: have two voices with me here today, so you're not 35 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: just gonna hear me the whole goddamn time, I promise. UM, 36 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: So let's go ahead, and I guess do you guys 37 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: want to introduce yourselves first? And then we'll say why 38 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: you guys are so horrible? Yeah? Yeah? And then I'm 39 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: Ashley and you guys are together, yes, So we have 40 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: a couple on and what makes you guys so horrible? 41 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: What are we going to be discussing today if you 42 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: want to let our listeners know. So today we wanted 43 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: to talk about out the swinger lifestyle. I am fucking excited. 44 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: So if you guys have listened to the show, Wheezy 45 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: is more into the open relationship part of things. We 46 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: talked about non monogamy a lot, and I always say, well, 47 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: I want to be a swinger. That's what I want 48 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: to do. UM. I want to be kind of engaged 49 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: with my partner and I want to be able to 50 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: watch him. I want to be able to maybe um 51 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: join other couples. And so we're kind of going to 52 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: delve into what the swinging lifestyle is with the two 53 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: of you. So normally we like to do ice breakers 54 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: and all this type of ship. UM, we've been starting 55 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: vanilla ship again. So it only was right that if 56 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm on here solo, y'all know I like gossip and ship, 57 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: so I'll be trying to be like, but did you 58 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: see what was going on on Twitter? UM? So I 59 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: wanted to discuss future UM and I guess I wrote 60 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: in my book if you guys read my book up 61 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: on game, I discussed kind of the rules of flying 62 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: out UM are you guys are formiliar, however, with what 63 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: happened with Future, Yes, yes, definitely yes. So for the 64 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: listeners who are not familiar, let me go ahead and 65 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: pull these messages up because I need you all to 66 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: see how this girl sucked up. Because she sucked up. Um, 67 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: real quick, have either of y'all have you flown a 68 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: girl out or have you been flown out ever before? 69 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: I've never flown anybody out, we haven't. We know people 70 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 1: who fly to places? Yeah, yeah, I mean I feel 71 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: like I feel like we're kind of headed down that direction. 72 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: I fly to fight. I mean, I don't know if 73 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: you would necessarily need to fly him, but I mean 74 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: I feel like house visits. Yeah. Okay, So I'll just 75 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: go ahead and let you guys know. Basically what happened 76 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: this past week and what everyone's been talking about is 77 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: this Instagram model. Um, I don't know if she's an 78 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: Instagram model. She just looks like a regular girl. Yeah, 79 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not gonna say her name. Um, 80 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to pronounce it in real life. 81 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: But basically, um, she called out Future for leaving her 82 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: stranded in California after she were used to have sex 83 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: with him and says that he never reimbursed her for 84 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: her flight. So long story short, she basically met future 85 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: in the studio. Um, they exchanged numbers, they hung out 86 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: in Miami, and I guess he wanted to see her 87 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: and fly her to California. So he didn't give her 88 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: no money, but he said he would reimburse her for 89 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: her flight. He pay for the hotel. He did pay 90 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: for the hotel for one night, and I kicked out. 91 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: But um, basically she bought her own flight, which again 92 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: we're gonna go over the flyout rules, real questions because 93 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: it's just like, sis, I get you trying to be independent, 94 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: but my sis, what are you doing? He is a millionaire. 95 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: There's no reason why you should have came out of 96 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: your pocket like Venmo cash app all these HAPs exist, everything, everything. 97 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: So she bought her own flight, which was five and 98 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: fifty dollars. Apparently, he said he would pay her back 99 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: a thousand percent. Now I'm an account I ain't gonna lie. 100 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: I didn't do, she saying it came up. I don't know. 101 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: All I know is if you're expecting it to get 102 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: but you're popping that pussy. I don't know. Why She 103 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: thought that he would just be giving her want to 104 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: know what messages were beforehand. Well, actually, I let me 105 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: go ahead and read those because I actually do have 106 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: them pulled up. So she went on a rant. I'm 107 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: not going to read the rant, but I'll read the 108 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: text messages. So and I don't really even know here 109 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: we go. I'll start from the beginning. Um. So he said, 110 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: he's out wet, this is future out west. Where are you? 111 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: She's Austin? How long are you? And Cally? So she 112 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: double texts him. I don't believe in the double text. 113 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: You said you're an Austin bitch. Wait till he responds, 114 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,239 Speaker 1: So she said, how long are you? And Cally? He said, 115 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: when you get here? She said, look my flight? He said, 116 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: you book it. When you get here, I will give 117 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: you your cash back a thousand percent. So I don't 118 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if the thousand percent meant multiply the 119 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: price of your ticket by a thousand percent or I 120 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: got you a thousand more. Bet like I got you. 121 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: I got you right. So she said, Okay, when do 122 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: I need to come? He said when you won't? So 123 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: she said Saturday to Monday. Goes forward, goes forward. She 124 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: gets there, Um says she's at the hotel. I'm definitely 125 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: giving you the breakdown. Basically, he asks her to be 126 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: ready for him with lingerie on. She says, I'm not 127 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: that type of girl. I thought we were going to chill. 128 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: He said, oh, you playing, I'm good and exactly and 129 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: basically she said, so I won't see you at all 130 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: and his response was I'm good, love and joyed the 131 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: next morning. So the next morning she goes to get food, 132 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: comes the funk back and bet her keys stop working. 133 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: So he booked the room for one night, which to 134 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: me makes sense. I feel like if you would have 135 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: busted your pussy wade open, you would have got another night. Um. 136 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: And I also feel like says, these these guys are 137 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: not flying girls out to chill to to chill to chill. Um, 138 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: So real quick, I'm gonna go down some of the 139 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: flyout rules, um for y'all real quick, just so y'all know, especially, 140 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about maybe the flower rules. For the 141 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: first time, after you've dealt with a nigga for a 142 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: couple of times, you you can you can gauge you 143 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: get engaged with type of nigga. His UM So, if 144 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: you guys haven't again, I do have a book out, 145 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: hit me up. I'll send you the pdf. I ain't 146 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: even selling at hole no mo, but I'll send it 147 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: to you. Um it is an e book, and I 148 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: give you all these rules and all these stories about 149 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: dealing with athletes and being flown out. Um it's called 150 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: up on game. So I'm about to put some of 151 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: you holds up on game. If you're looking to get 152 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: flown out, if you're getting flown out for the first time, 153 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: and feel free. If y'all think to add any more rules, 154 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: let me know. Um I have said a do not 155 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: do a one way. Don't let a nigga fly you 156 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: out on a one way because if things do go south, 157 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: you suck like chuck and he ain't got to put 158 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: you back on a flight, And don't do that to yourself. 159 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: Make sure it's a round trip flight. If this is 160 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: someone that you're meeting for the first time. Also, um again, 161 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: I reiterate this every single episode. Communication. Definitely, if you 162 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: don't want to fund this nick, if you don't want 163 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: to give no couchie, if you don't want if there's 164 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: something that you don't want, or you don't feel comfortable going, 165 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: explain that to him, ask him expectations. I was just about, 166 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: what are your expectations when I come here? Because he's 167 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: putting money out. If you're booking your flight, he's probably 168 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: also going to either put you in a hotel or 169 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: saying with him, he's also probably gonna pay for the 170 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: food while you're there. The entertainment value is there as well, 171 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: so this is kind of an investment for him. So 172 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: you want to make sure that y'all are on the 173 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: same page, like, nigga, do you want your dick stude 174 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: from the back, like and like, what what are you 175 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: going to want from me? You know what I mean? 176 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: So definitely communicate with what the expectations are because a 177 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: lot of times a niga may straight up say you 178 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: know what it is, like you know what I want? 179 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: And then that's up to you. If you don't feel 180 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: comfortable going, just don't go, yeah, plend and simple do 181 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: not go. Um what other flyout rules did I say? 182 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like what girl thinks a man hits 183 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: you up to come over and cuddle or like hang out, 184 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: let's hold hands and walk down the street, right, And 185 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: it especially was especially when the communication is minimal. He's 186 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: not trying to get to know you. He don't text. Yeah, 187 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: he didn't give like the there there was nothing nothing there. 188 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: So again, ladies, if you're gonna get flown out, if 189 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: you want money, I would um definitely voice that prior 190 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: um to getting on the flight. If it is sexy 191 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: that he wants, um definitely say what you want to 192 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: return because y'all nigga's think dick is a benefit and 193 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: it's a little it's out here and you may show 194 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: up and it's not all that girl. It did be mad. 195 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: Another thing that I did put in my book as 196 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: well for for my ladies who is working but you know, 197 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: getting the flyout offers. Do not call off of work 198 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: to hop on a flight for some dick. If you 199 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: are going to miss work, you tell that nigga you 200 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: cannot afford to miss work. And the only way you 201 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: would get on the flight is if he covers what 202 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: she would be missing at work. Um. This was lit 203 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: as fun as a bartender because I doubled what I 204 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: would make every night. I worked Friday nights and that's 205 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: my most you know, that's my most popping night. Five 206 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: hundred at least like I'm missing out. Um. That's also easier. 207 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: If you're working in the hospitality industry, you could switch shifts. 208 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: You necessarily don't have to miss out on money. Um. 209 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: If you work in nine to five and you want 210 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: to be a home that goddamn bad. Do not miss 211 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: out on your god damn money. You just don't do it. Um. 212 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: And so these are just some of the rules. I think. 213 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: I think she was completely wrong. I think she looked 214 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: stupid for posting her god damn business. I don't know 215 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: what y'all think about. She definitely wasn't expecting that reaction. 216 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: She was trying to set a trap. And what are 217 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: you doing? Not only that women, as independent women, it's 218 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: okay to allow these niggas who have more than you 219 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: to spend on you. So I feel like a lot 220 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: of women just want to come off like I got 221 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: my own money, which clearly she did because she said 222 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: I booked my flights all the time, girl. But I mean, 223 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: even coming to Futures defense, like, I feel like Futures 224 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: probably offered to fly girls out pay for the ticket 225 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: and then like they never show up or whatever. So 226 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: he's kind of like, I don't really know if I'm 227 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: really trying to make that investment, if you're not gonna 228 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: make that investment, so he probably wanted to investment. He 229 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: wanted her to make that investment first to see if 230 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: she was I wish would I'm not making no investment first, 231 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: you want my if you think I'm a gold digger. 232 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, the man has to 233 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: put up the money first, period point. So we're gonna 234 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: go ahead. I'm excited. Um we have a lot of 235 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: things that I want to touch on this episode. Um, 236 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into the kink of the week. 237 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: If you guys came to the atlant A Live show, 238 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: I gave you guys quite a bit of words because 239 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna fuck it up right now. And I'm gonna 240 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: make y'all to try to say these words too, because 241 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: I need them to know. Although I'd be sucking up words, 242 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: it don't be my fault. Like the words I say, 243 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: I feel like, Okay, liberto maybe ain't a word, but 244 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: it sounds like whatever. Um So for the kink of 245 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: the week this week, I'm super excited. It's two words 246 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: that both mean the same thing. So I'm gonna pass 247 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: the phone for you guys to say these words as well. Um, 248 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:34,479 Speaker 1: guy in androw morphophilia and guy in minimo to philia. 249 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: That's my guess. I don't know you you you try, 250 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: guyan dermotorilia kind of yeah, second the second one, now 251 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: you gotta try. You you have heard it, but you're 252 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: looking at it now kind of I mean. And the 253 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: second one, guy, I mean tone philia. I don't know. 254 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,599 Speaker 1: I think you missed the whole lot of letters in that. 255 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: That's a whole lot of letters in that second one. So, um, 256 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and let you guys know. This is 257 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: the sexual attraction to trans sexual or trans women. UM. 258 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: Romantic or sexual attraction to transgender people can be towards 259 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: trans men, trans women, non binary people, or a combination 260 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: of these. This attraction can be a person's occasional or 261 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: exclusive interest. Like transgender people, Individuals attracted to transgender people 262 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: may identify as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, pan sexual, or with 263 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: none of these categories, they may identify as transgender or 264 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: cys gender themselves. Um, I'm gonna try that. Yes, that 265 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: was a whole lot um, and so I specifically picked 266 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: this kink because Gabe, um he let me know that 267 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: he actually does have an attraction to um femininity. Yeah, 268 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: I mean that's one of the things that we kind 269 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: of figured out. Well, I guess I kind of figured 270 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: out through this, through this process. I guess this journey. 271 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: It's just that I've realized that I'm just attracted to 272 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: femininity in like any form. Like we've we've we've played 273 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: with a cross dresser before, which was like, actually kind 274 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: of cross dresser on How is that? That was kind 275 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: of dope? Yeah, it was really very interesting. Could you 276 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: could you explain a little bit about how that went 277 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: with the cross dressing. Well, no, we're gonna get into 278 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: into it. Well, well, we have we have communicated online. 279 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: At first she came over, well he came over. You know, 280 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: I was like, can I use your bathroom for a 281 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: little bit, and then he wanted me to help her 282 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: get doll doll. So I was like, hey, like you know, 283 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: when we were talking online, we were like, hey, well 284 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: you know I love makeup. You know, I'm in here 285 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: with the full phase, you know. So I was like, hey, 286 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: I'll help you with your makeup, Like, well, we'll get 287 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: you looking all pretty for when he comes over. So yeah, 288 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: he once once Gabe got there, we were like, all right, 289 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: it's it was fun. So we had a cross dresser 290 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: on the show and he identified as a straight mail. Um, 291 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: did this cross dresser play with you both? Was? And 292 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: how did you guys come to the discussion as to 293 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: what you guys would use? So she kind of wanted 294 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: she wanted to be with a couple. She didn't want 295 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: to be with like just a guy or whatever, Like, 296 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: she wanted to be with a couple. Like she wanted 297 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: that experience of of like getting the makeup done and 298 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: all that stuff, Like she already had lingerie and heels, 299 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: all that stuff. I think she had heels. Maybe I'm 300 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: just making it up. Yeah, just like so she like 301 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: clearly has been doing this, you mean, like you've been 302 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: doing this for a while. But I think we were 303 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: her first couple. So that was like the first time. 304 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: So it was a new experience for all of us. 305 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: But she she wanted to submit to a couple. That 306 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: is amazing, Like it's it's it's different. It's something that 307 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, I haven't considered being with a 308 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: cross dresser. Um, But with this definition and what we've discussed, 309 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: as well as your now leaning towards possibly trying trans Oh, definitely, 310 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: I mean that that's to me. That was that was 311 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: like the first thing, Like the Cross Show wasn't like 312 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: even topic was the first. It was something that like 313 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: we found and I was like, Yo, this actually might 314 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: be kind of dope. But then, like I feel like 315 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: I've been in the trans women probably for a while, um, 316 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: but like it hasn't been something that we've actually been 317 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: able to experience together. That's actually been something that I 318 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: wist we'll get there, but like I feel like it's 319 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: something that we started out thinking that we would want 320 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: to do together, and it's something that like now I'm 321 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: like pursuing on my own. Um. And so yeah, it's 322 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: been a journey. And I do want to let you 323 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: guys know too, because this is not going to be 324 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: on video because Gabe and Nashley do want to remain anonymous. 325 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: But I want to let you know Gabe is a 326 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: blackmail very strong looking, yes, very and actually is I'm 327 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: gonna guess Latino, but you know, I don't like people 328 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: calling me Spanish eas and I'm like ya, Latina, Latina, guys. So, um, 329 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: I guess it was exciting to me that Gabe opened 330 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: up and told me this, and I'm gonna be a 331 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: little open and y'all never really see me emotional. This 332 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: is emotion. I was talking to Ashley Um prior to 333 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: the show. I have a very good friend of mine 334 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: who recently opened up to me about his journey UM 335 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: and his mental health state currently. UM not being able 336 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: to accept that he's into transgenders UM, possibly men, and 337 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: he's he's possibly identifying himself as bisexual. UM. He did 338 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: grow up in the church, and so right now his 339 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: mental health is not in a good state because he 340 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: can't accept what he likes. He can't accept because he 341 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: can't change it. He's concerned with dating, he's concerned with 342 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 1: what his parents will think of him, and unfortunately, he 343 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: feels like he's not normal. UM. With this show, we 344 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: talk about these things a lot. And I told him, 345 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm a female. I'm in like if if 346 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: that's something you would be into. I'm a female who's 347 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: telling you that I would accept my partner if he 348 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: told me this. UM, And he's just like, but listen, 349 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: I don't accept myself. UM. I think a lot of people, 350 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: specifically in the minority communities, we don't have these conversations. 351 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: So when you like something outside of monogamy, or you 352 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: like something outside of the opposite sex, you don't know 353 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: how to even like yeah, and so I want to 354 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: talk to you. And I'm so glad I just did that, 355 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 1: y'all with no tears, because prior to recording this, I 356 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: was literally like, I don't know if I'm going to 357 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: be able to get through this. Um. It was very 358 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: emotional for me. UM. So I want to ask you, 359 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: as a black mail, how did you come to terms 360 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: with yourself that this was something that you were into. 361 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I've had the privilege in I 362 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: mean a lot of different ways. Like actually I talk 363 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: about it a lot like um at the end of 364 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: the day a six to black man, So like at 365 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: the end of the day, like nobody's running up on 366 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: me for how I feel about anything. UM. I think 367 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: also too, I think in the grand scheme of things, 368 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: like the way I look at everything, which is kind 369 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: of why we're here now, and like swinging is because 370 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: like at didn't day, Like I look at this all 371 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: as a human experience, Like you feel how you feel 372 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: for a reason, you know, And I think that at 373 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's like, especially as black man, 374 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: especially this day and age, like there are too many 375 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: things acting like actively acting against us that like, if 376 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: you like something, go and do it. And I think 377 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: the I think the hardest part is what you would 378 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: assume would be the judgment from people who look like you. 379 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, nine times out 380 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: attend those other people into some crazy ship too. Like 381 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things I've learned from 382 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: the swing worlds, Like everybody's into something, and there's a 383 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: lot of stuff that people don't want to say that 384 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: they're into I don't want to talk about. And I 385 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: think when it comes to the trans community, I think 386 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: this is something that i've you know, a community that 387 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: I've grown to love and I think, you know, as 388 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: a creative, it's been something that like I try not 389 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: to delve too deep into it as as to not 390 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: want to like appropriate that culture. But I think like 391 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, all of culture comes 392 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: from the like the gay communities, from people of color, 393 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: I mean, And I think like that whole ballroom scene 394 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: when I when Ashley, like that whole that whole scene 395 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: is what do you identify as straight? You do identify 396 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: a straight. Um, so you identify a straight. You said 397 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: you've known for a long time that you were into transgenders. 398 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: How did you communicate that to Ashley or any other 399 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: previous partner that you've had, where You're like, this is 400 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: what I'm into. I'm comfortable with myself. Now I have 401 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: to tell my partner I'm into this, right, So, I 402 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: mean I think it will. I mean actually, actually the 403 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: first person that like we've even gotten this far, like 404 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: even though that that's something I've been into, so you've 405 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,239 Speaker 1: kept yourself yeah, I mean because it's kind of been 406 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: like because to me, it's like all that's kind of 407 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: like a private journey to a certain degree, you know 408 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: what I mean. Um, but I honestly, like I think 409 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: it started out really just like on those episodes of 410 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: like Jerry Springer, like Mari and it would like it 411 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: would be like the Halloween episode and they'd be like, oh, 412 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: is it a man? Like is it a exactly? And 413 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: I'm just like wait a minute, Like you know, I mean, 414 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: it's like I automatically started thinking this is that probably? 415 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: Like so like so seeing that it was just kind 416 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: of like that's where it started. And like to me, 417 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: actually came out to me is by uh like pretty 418 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: early on in our relationship. So to me, it was 419 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: all it was more so me being open and like 420 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: with her that like was being like, look like I 421 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: get it, Like you go do your thing. But we 422 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: didn't actually start talking about like what I was into 423 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: until a little further into the swinging lifestyle, before we 424 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: got into really delving deep into how he's into femininity, 425 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: because it's very much so like, sometimes I can be 426 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: a little more tomboyish and I like to wear my 427 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: rocker T shirts and things like that, but he's like, oh, 428 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: like you, I like it when you have pink and 429 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: red toes. Like I'll be like, oh I'm doing black 430 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: or like blue and something like yeah, I see you 431 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: with the black nails down, and he hates it. Okay, Okay, 432 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: So this is kind of a double question that I 433 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: want to do between the two of you because a 434 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: lot of people assume that if you are into transgenders, 435 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: you would also take dick or would also deal with Dick. 436 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,719 Speaker 1: Is that so this is again gonna go for you 437 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: because so, Gabe, I'm gonna ask you, and then I'm 438 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you and then you guys. Answer, So, Gabe, 439 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: have you been or do you seek sex with a male? 440 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: And for you, Ashley, are you scared that allowing him 441 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: to have these experiences with transgenders that he may possibly 442 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: like men? Just because I know that a lot of 443 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: people put the two together, you know what I mean? 444 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: So what are yall's not that? Yeah? I definitely, I 445 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: definitely see the connection. Um. But to me, like my 446 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: logic is like, I'm gonna identify you however you identify yourself, 447 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: so trans women identify as women, like, you're still a woman, 448 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: and in my eyes, I'm gonna treat you as a woman. Um. 449 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: I think where where it kind of crosses the line 450 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: a little bit is like I try to make sure 451 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: that I'm not over sexualizing a trans woman just because 452 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: she's trans and because she has a penis, you're still 453 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: looking at her for a woman depending on where she's at. Okay, okay, 454 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: but you deal with trans women who have boobs and 455 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: dress as women and who identify as women, they just 456 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: still have a penis or right, yeah, okay, but you're 457 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: not sexualizing them for having a penis. It's not like 458 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: you're looking for them as a gateway and so you're 459 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: that's probably why you're not concerned with him, because there 460 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: are feminine men as well that are you know, that 461 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: are just gay males are super feminine. So is that 462 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: something you would find an attraction to or would you 463 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: be scared that he would be interested in feminine men? 464 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that I'm scared of what 465 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: he likes. So yeah, I mean I'm not scared that 466 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: he's gonna you know, he's just out here looking for 467 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: some dick and like this is this is the way, 468 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: This is as close as he's gonna get, Like this 469 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: is this close at Alma, let him get Um. That's 470 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: not so much a concern for me. I think the 471 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: there I mean, there's no concern. I'm more it's more 472 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: interesting to me. I feel like it's intriguing because you know, 473 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: I've had to suppress my own desires before. So the 474 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: ability to be open and free in a space where 475 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: there's no judgment. And don't get me wrong, the swing 476 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: lifestyle has its issues and to touch on that, so 477 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, for the most part, it's more so of 478 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: the experience being in the moment, and you know, we 479 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: that's something we learned along along the lines in this 480 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: process US is through these experiences, we saw there were 481 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: things that maybe I was a little uncomfortable with, like 482 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: that cross stresser situation. At first, I didn't know how 483 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: it was going to feel. But she brought a strap 484 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: on with her and it was and I was I 485 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: had never tried one on before, so it allowed me 486 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: to explore too, And and that's something that I wouldn't 487 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: have really like been able to to explore or see 488 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: if that's something that I liked. Haw we not even 489 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: been open to. And you know, she she walks around 490 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: as a man. I really kind of want um to 491 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: delve right back into every place the strap on, who 492 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: used it all? Who? And what what the hell happened? 493 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: Because I'm like, wait, okay, I know there's two nicks 494 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: in this scenario, and he she brought a strap on. 495 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, she brought a strap on, So you used 496 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: the strap on on her exciting? So does that that's 497 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: considered pegging still because it was because technically, yea, technically 498 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: you pegged him of her. We've we've been like we've 499 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: been with other people, but like that's the first time 500 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: that we've both been like actually like fucking somebody at 501 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: the same time that so you were that is okay, 502 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: that sounds fun. I'm not even gonna I'm not even so. 503 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: And then I have one last question for for you, 504 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: because being a woman who would also accept a man 505 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: who maybe into the things that you're into, I have 506 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: kind of an inside thing who to share this with? 507 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: Do your Are your friends aware of the things that 508 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: you do in the bedroom and what your partners into, 509 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: because I'll be honest with you as someone who's single, 510 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: Me and all my friends, we talked about every dick 511 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: we get. I said, I'd be like girl girl and 512 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: we we openly talk about our sex to pay that 513 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: talk about. I talked about when I like as. I 514 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: talked about when I sit on face and we're guying 515 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: each other tips and tricks, all of that, and so 516 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: as women were open with telling our friends when we 517 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 1: get the ship funked out of us. But I know 518 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: that not all of my friends are as open and 519 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: sexually fluid as I am. So to bring up me pegging, 520 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god, some of the ways, and I talked 521 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: about at the live show, I got it. I had 522 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: a guy that sent me a video where he sucked 523 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: himself with his wave brush. He put a condom on 524 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: the tip of his wooden wave brush and was penetrating 525 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: himself with it. And to me, I was like, oh, 526 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: this sexy. And my friends were like, girl, you dealing 527 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: with a nigga who sucking itself? And I was like, 528 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I told him to do it, and I 529 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: was sick of seeing him stick fingers and he clearly 530 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: didn't have a dido, so he got creative. Um. And 531 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: so when it comes to if I were to be 532 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: in a relationship with a man who I know, I 533 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: allowed it either for other men or maybe he is 534 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: into transgenders, I don't know which friends I could share 535 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: this with. So how do you go about explaining this 536 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: to your friends or do you? Well, for the most part, 537 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: the people who who do know about our swinger lifestyle 538 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: are definitely, you know, the people closest to me. Um, 539 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: the people who I'm actually out too, because I'm not 540 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: out to my family or other people in general. You know, 541 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: I there's subtleties. You know, you see all my social 542 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: media and other things. It's like, Okay, I know you 543 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: a freak, but you know, and I don't think no 544 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: one would be surprised because I'd be at the strip, 545 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: we'd be at the shrimp club and that. But the 546 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: people that do know about our swinger lifestyle as far 547 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: as getting into the nitty gritty details of every experience, 548 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: I don't think we really share share that they're most 549 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: they're more so just intrigued by how does this work? 550 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: And they're more so like how do you find these people? 551 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: Like where do you meet up? What was it like? 552 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: Were they cool? They're like, don't be asking all my questions. 553 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: That's the horrible decisions, Like, you know what, let's go 554 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: ahead and stay away from the kink of the week. 555 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: So if you guys have not noticed by the funk 556 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: now um our our horrible decision for this week is 557 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: swinging um swinger lifestyle UM and bringing other people into 558 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: the bedroom and all of that. Ship. We talked about 559 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: non monogamy on here a lot um. I've mentioned that 560 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: this is the type of relationship that I would be 561 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: interested in having because I would want to partake in 562 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: things with my partner UM instead of me just knowing 563 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: he out here fucking who the fuck knows UM, And 564 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: I don't want him to build a an emotional connection 565 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: with another woman. UM. And so if you guys have 566 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: listened to quite a few of the episodes. UM. On 567 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: the other hand, when Weezy discusses an open relationship, she 568 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: would be okay with her partner, um going on dates 569 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: with other women and being with another woman outside of her, 570 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: And to me, that just leaves a whole fucking can 571 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: of worms to be open. UM. It very much confusing. UM. 572 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: Not to not to shame if you're into that, but 573 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, so I wanted to discuss the swinger lifestyle. UM, 574 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: I guess let's let's let me pull up that question. So, 575 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: how did you guys introduced swinging into the relationship? So 576 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: here's how this guy started, so anything. So what happened 577 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: was I so a lot of us all came from Craigslist. 578 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: First of all, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait 579 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait. So you guys are already together, 580 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: So we've been together browsing Craigslist. Yeah, I mean, but 581 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: I think I was doing that before her on his own. Okay, right, 582 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: So I was like, but I would just like hit 583 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: up couples on Craigslist and join with couples. No, I 584 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: never did anything like I would just email them like 585 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: I would. I know. But the thing is that it's 586 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: also tough as a single male regardless, which of course 587 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: we definitely know now like wherever. So it's like, so 588 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 1: I would definitely like just like get off on the 589 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: idea of like the fact that there are people that 590 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: are this open, that could do this. So like that 591 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: in itself was dope enough for me. So then we 592 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: get to some point I don't even remember. Her laptop breaks, 593 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: so I let her I give her I give her already, Yeah, 594 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: her laptop breaks. I let her. I give her my 595 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: laptop to get her stuff done. He trusted me so much. 596 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: I was like here, like take it. And then so 597 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: she was like, well, what this like you know, you 598 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: hit up whatever and pause because now you're gonna say 599 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: so before you came to him and said what's this? 600 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: What did you find? So I saw him in his 601 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: scent box, so she was looking you went through the 602 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: sent I did. I did. I had the laptop for 603 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: a week. She was reading. Apparently she was reading, and 604 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: so what did you see in the side. So I 605 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: didn't say nothing. Day one, I was I just had 606 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: to kind of like you had a lot more messages 607 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: to read. I'm sure. I was just I was just like, okay, 608 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: something something's going on. Let me not freak out, because 609 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: it's also not like it's different. It's not like oh hey, 610 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: like hey, we're meeting up at this time, like what 611 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: you're doing one of my coworkers friends something like that. 612 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: Not at all, like it was very all specific. It 613 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: was all for couples. So I was like, oh my 614 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: hold up, hold up, hold up. I went up to 615 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: him and I was like, so we need to talk. 616 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: But how she brought it up though, wasn't like argumentative 617 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: or accusing what's going on? I was. I was intrigued. 618 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: I was confused. I was hurt, not because I felt betrayed, 619 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: but because I felt like I didn't let him be 620 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: open with me. Oh yeah, I do that. But it's 621 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: it's funny that you even bring it up, because I 622 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: don't think that men who keep these secrets realize that 623 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: it's a sense of so does he not feel comfortable 624 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: with me? Did I not make him feel comfortable enough 625 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: with me? Like that he can't be himself? And I 626 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: think that as women, especially now, that when I speak 627 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: to a man, I want him to be open with me, 628 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: and I don't think men understand the amount like we 629 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: know the amount of trust you have to have in 630 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: us to open up about things that you may like 631 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: that you know is not of the norm. And it 632 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: turns me on so much when a man lets me 633 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: know that this is the type of porn I watched 634 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: and I don't tell anyone else. This year, the first 635 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: person I've let known this this is what I like, 636 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: that's just sexy. I mean, I think I think it's men. 637 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: It's it's well, I mean, I think it's tough to 638 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: be vulnerable in general, but I think we also are 639 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: kind of scared of like which your reaction is going 640 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: to be, because I think it's not even the fact 641 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: that we're into something different. It's more the fact that like, 642 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: sometimes it's gonna come to like, oh, well, you're just 643 00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: interested in another woman or you want to use this 644 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: as an used to another woman, and it's like no, 645 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: not really, like it's a little bit deeper than okay, okay. 646 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: So you came to him and was like what is this? 647 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: And what gave What was your response and how were 648 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: you just like, listen, girl, this what I won't No, 649 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: I mean it was I don't even like I was 650 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: just like, look, this is just something I'm into Like 651 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: that was it like? And it kind of like just 652 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: ended there until I think it came it came up 653 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: again like a couple of months and so later, and 654 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: it was and then she was like, all right, clearly 655 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: this is something that you're into, Like this isn't going away, 656 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: so it's like we should. And then that's when we 657 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: got to the point where she was like all right, 658 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: like let's just try it out. Okay. So you're at 659 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: the point where you you know what he's now into, 660 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: you're accepting of what he's into, and you're like, listen, 661 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: I'll do this with you. What no, okay? Okay? So 662 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: I was I was willing to explore possibilities okay, and 663 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: like learn and so so you were a little hesitant. 664 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: So what were the guidelines, Like you didn't want to 665 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 1: break up with him because this is what he liked. 666 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: So when you were like, Okay, this is what you into, 667 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: you clearly keep looking it up. This is what you 668 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: want to explore and I don't want to keep you 669 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: from that. What were the guidelines that were said as 670 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: far as Okay, this is how we're going to go 671 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: about doing this. I don't think it really happened until 672 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: we got yea, until we got because I feel like 673 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: a lot of it you learn as you go because 674 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: you haven't experienced it you and you're gonna experience things 675 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: that you're like. I didn't know I was gonna like that, 676 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it clearly didn't go away. 677 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: We were out at some event downtown and he says, look, 678 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: so one of the couples that I hit up back 679 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: in the day, the dude is telling me that they're 680 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: going to Caligula tonight. Oh my god, I went. Did 681 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 1: you guys hear that I went? So so I get 682 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: real quick if y'all don't know, and mind you, I'm 683 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: sitting across a Blackmail and a Latina, So I want 684 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: you to know, if you are in the New York 685 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: City area, I want to Caligula for Halloween, which was 686 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: my first experience in a sex club, and there was 687 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: a ton of couples in there. So going as a 688 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: single female, oh my god, they loved me and over 689 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: they were all over us because it was a lot 690 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: of couples. Um, and then of course they also had 691 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: the single men that were allowed that night. It was 692 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: it was Halloween, which she had normally we're not. Yeah, 693 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: they were lined up in the hallway because you know, 694 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: they couldn't go to the couple's room, only one room 695 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: they're allowed to go in and listen. I was trying 696 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: to deal with couples because I really wanted to explore 697 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: with more with women. I realized after a whole bottle 698 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: of Don Julio was done, I really didn't want dick. 699 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: I just wanted to engage with couples. But more still 700 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: be the treat um. So you guys went to Caligula. Yeah, yeah, 701 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: So what happened was like, honestly, I think it was 702 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: and I don't think we had guidelines at the beginning 703 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,919 Speaker 1: because it was like we're going to experience this together, 704 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: Like this is new to me. I had never done anything, 705 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: so this is like new to me, this is new 706 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: to her. Like we're experiencing this together. So luckily, like 707 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: I called that dude like he's like the like he 708 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: was like my Yoda, like swinging, like yeah, way, how 709 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: old was old white dude? Like he had the band 710 00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 1: a solid Yeah, but he had but he latina woman. 711 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: I don't I wouldn't say it was his wife, but 712 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: like a Latina but partner, partner, partner, I wonder how 713 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: much get But he was just like he was just like, 714 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: look like just come by. He's like, you don't have 715 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: to do anything with us. He's like, we'll just kind 716 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: of show you the ropes. Like he literally like, you 717 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: got a discount with if you come in with someone 718 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: with another couple, cheaper than just doing our own. So 719 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: he went and like he so we went. We met 720 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: them there and I told my friend. I was like, 721 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: look this is where we're going. And something happened and 722 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: yet so so I told him. So we get there 723 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: and like the guy literally like so we actually split up. 724 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,760 Speaker 1: So he takes so I go with him, she said 725 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: with her, and like he just like showed me around. 726 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 1: He's like, look this is how it works. He's like, 727 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: these are the rules, Like consent is the most important thing, 728 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: Like you gotta be respectful. He was like, look like 729 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: these are the you know, these are the rooms. He 730 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: took me upstairs, show me like where everything was at. 731 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: He's like you can smoke over here. Like he really 732 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: just showed me the rope and you know, you know 733 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: it's in it's in my it's in my head. How 734 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: it's all set up. So I do want to ask 735 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: you because we had Daniel saint on who is UM 736 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: the NSFW. So I wanted to ask you guys because 737 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: he said that at NFFW they don't like um the 738 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: patrons to be under the influence or drunk. Was that 739 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: something that you guys went in there like, oh my god, 740 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: to let this happen, I need to be under the influence. 741 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: I need to drink. So you guys went in their 742 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: sober Yeah, okay, okay, Oh no girl, I want to 743 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to drink this down, Julio. Um, So you 744 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: guys had a clear mind. He show he gave you 745 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: the tour because he had clearly been there before. And 746 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: so how did the engagement start to happen? What happened? 747 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: I mean, so he told us at the beginning, he 748 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: was like, look like this is very woman dominated. So 749 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 1: he was like, look like the women are the ones 750 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: that engage with each other, which was weird, Like it 751 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 1: was weird to me because I was like, I'm the 752 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: one that's like really into this, and now I got hard, 753 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: right what am I doing? I got to play the 754 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: back seat for her like this like this is my fantasy. 755 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: But I can't do anything. So that was what was 756 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: kind of frustrating to me. Okay, and he I mean, 757 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: and he comes into this having like you know, read articles, 758 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: watch the porn, and I'm coming in and I thought swing. 759 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: When I thought swing your life, so I thought of 760 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: like my gay male friends, right, because they all in 761 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,720 Speaker 1: open relationships and stuff, so and they'd be getting together 762 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: at house parties. And I never really thought about it 763 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,280 Speaker 1: in a like hetero sexual or a male female couple form. 764 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 1: I just didn't think of it. So with the swinging, 765 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: you guys are doing more of the couple swapping essentially. 766 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: At this point, we've we've had more couples than threesomes. Definitely. 767 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: I think we've had two threesomes. Do you guys, Do 768 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: you guys find it easier to connect with other couples 769 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: more so than just bringing just a female into the 770 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: bedroom or just definitely Yeah. I don't even know why, 771 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: because some other couples like have more success with single 772 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,320 Speaker 1: females and none with other couples, which is like I 773 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: don't like, I don't know, Okay, So, but so we're 774 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: at caligula. Um, I'm getting the idea that I'm basically 775 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: going to have to like kind of lead the charge 776 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: with like trying to talk to people. And we were 777 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: just kind of like, oh, like, what do you think 778 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: of that? I was like, um, like what about him? Her? 779 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: I guess cool, like let's talk. And it's kind of 780 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: like awkward because I'm in the first person and I 781 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: had no expectations, right, I had no idea what I 782 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: was getting into. I didn't not know what to expect. 783 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,479 Speaker 1: And she was just like, oh, yeah, well I'm down, 784 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: like to play with you and like just have my 785 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: man watch. And I was like, well, okay, well can 786 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: my man touch you or she was like no, like 787 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: not they wouldn't do anything and just beat us playing. 788 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,240 Speaker 1: And he was like, you just spent an hour talking 789 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: to her, and I'm like, let's but it's hard because 790 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: you're like trying to make a connection and and we're 791 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: just and it looked it looked like she was kind 792 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 1: of new too, so I was like it was it 793 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: was different, it was difficult effort. So we were like, Okay, 794 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: this like meeting other people, it's not going to happen tonight. 795 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,040 Speaker 1: We're like it's getting late, and you know, they of 796 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: that playroom that's completely open. I was there. You know, 797 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: we got we were like, well, you know, we returned 798 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 1: on dress, let's do something, and other people were doing things. Well, 799 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: let's just hop on, let's grab this little corner, and 800 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, I started going down on him. Alright, My 801 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: top came off, my bottoms came off. He started going 802 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: down on me, and like we were just there, you know, 803 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: each other, and drawing each other in front of anybody 804 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: that goes tipped for a swing club. Anybody that goes 805 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: don't wear jeans. That ship is the word like a 806 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: trying as a man. What do you suggest wear because 807 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 1: they can't get it into basketball shorts either, can they? 808 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: I mean you know, but I mean, like you you, 809 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: I would say, we're some kind of shorts, and I'll 810 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: tell you ladies, of course, I have the Halloween custom 811 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: on onesies. Don't do it either, Jesus so hard. Oh 812 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 1: my god. I was like, what am I doing? Like 813 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: we're dressed so you could just look because I had 814 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: a onesie on it. I was like, this is too 815 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: much because you moved from room to room and it's 816 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 1: hard to like stop and dress every single time. Okay, 817 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: so so for me and you said, no, genes, I 818 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: don't know that's asked. I was like, okay, so it's 819 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,919 Speaker 1: gonna be difficult for you. So how many couples? Since 820 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: then that was your first experience at kalayla Um, you've 821 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,919 Speaker 1: eventually started dealing with couples. About how many couples, would 822 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: you say you guys have played with? Yes? Number yes 823 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: written Now, so now we're talking about the couple swapping. 824 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: This of course is involved with the swinging lifestyle. Now, 825 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: this is one of the questions that I think is 826 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: always asked as a man. Do you let Ashley engage 827 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:44,240 Speaker 1: with the other man? What is going through your mind? 828 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: Do you feel insecure? As insecurity came about, do you 829 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: feel jealous? And at what point did you say, my 830 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna allow her to have fun as much as 831 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: I want to have fun. Um, well, I mean I 832 00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: want her to have fun from the jump one. Um 833 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: I think too. It's just like she's very good at 834 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: what she does. So to me, it's like like I 835 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 1: want you to please another dick basically like to like 836 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: the way the way I see it, It's like she's 837 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: dopes like I like to see guys like squirming and 838 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: ship trying not to like finish so to me, it's like, yeah, 839 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: I know she's good, you know, yeah, okay, And so 840 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: as a woman, of course, I'm want to ask you 841 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 1: the same question, Um, is this your same response to 842 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: seeing him with other women? Does it turn you on? 843 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: Because to me, that's what I've always said, is it 844 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: would turn me on to see my man please someone else, 845 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: which is I guess essentially what you said, Um, So 846 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 1: have you encountered any tidbits of jealousy or insecurity? Has 847 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: he been too passionate with another woman before? And think 848 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: that crossed your mind? Definitely not And I think like 849 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: even one of the like talking about passion, he kisses 850 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 1: other women and I don't usually kiss other men, like 851 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,919 Speaker 1: that's one of our rules, Like she doesn't kiss guys. 852 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 1: But like, if I'm really into you in the moment, 853 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 1: it's like okay, like this is hot, like you're good 854 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: looking and everything, Like I'm feeling there, And is that 855 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 1: something that you asked of her? Like can you not 856 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:06,280 Speaker 1: be passionate with at least that's something that is safe 857 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 1: for you then, because if you're allowing her to engage 858 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: in I don't want to sound out if you allow 859 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 1: her to suck dick, because I was about here and 860 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: sound like, you know, have you allow her to suck 861 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: dick and take dick from someone else? Um? I think 862 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: it is mindful to make sure that there is something 863 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: that you know is just for you. Um. And So 864 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: I don't know that's that's just it. I just know 865 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 1: that that's one of the things a lot of men 866 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,320 Speaker 1: will be like, yeah, I'm down, we can go, but 867 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: you're not taking noe the dick. But you know, and 868 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: it's just like, this has to be an agreement of 869 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: some sort if we're going to go into this lifestyle. 870 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 1: And I think that that's why maybe people choose the 871 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: open relationship right and wanting to bring in girls. But 872 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: it's like, how are you able to get all this 873 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: new pussy? And sometimes as a woman, we kind of 874 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,360 Speaker 1: want to feel too. I think the most of the time, well, okay, 875 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: i'm gonna be real with Y'all'm gonna be real with y'all. 876 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,399 Speaker 1: We can be getting dick down and we could love 877 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: the ship out of man. And I think that this 878 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 1: is the problem. And Andrew, when we were on Brilliant Idiots, 879 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: he made it seem like, you know, are now to 880 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 1: be different. We shouldn't take multiple dicks and what the 881 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: fun ever? Andrew said, But I think that you guys 882 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: have to realize there is a way, um for females 883 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: as well, to disconnect the emotions from sex. And a 884 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: lot of us do like just the feeling of sex 885 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,360 Speaker 1: and coming and orgasm ng and feeling the body of 886 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: a man. And so while we may love you, we 887 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 1: can still love you and take other dick. And I'm 888 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 1: glad that you are aware of this. So men listening, 889 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: If you a woman cheat on you, let me she 890 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: still loves you. But I think I think one of 891 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: the biggest misconceptions, like what people automatically think about swingings 892 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: that is automatically about sex and in all actuality, Like 893 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,479 Speaker 1: to me, it's more about the connection, like just talking 894 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,200 Speaker 1: about like how I got started. It was more about 895 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: being around open minded people. So to me, it's like 896 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,399 Speaker 1: I have to like you as a person, like even 897 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: with the other dude, Like it's like I still have 898 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 1: to like the other dude before we do anything, Like 899 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: we have to like the cup, Like we're not just 900 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,680 Speaker 1: gonna walk around just like oh requirements with my eyes. 901 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: But you know, I need to be able to hold 902 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: a conversation with you and end up talking for like 903 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: an hour and a half before we even play. Literally 904 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 1: every time. I was so listen. When I went to Caligula, 905 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 1: I allowed the guy um, one of the guys to pretty. 906 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 1: He was convinced he could make me squirt, which he did. 907 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 1: I don't even gonna hold everybody was watching. So he 908 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 1: made me squirt, and then I'm one of those that 909 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 1: once I squirt, I'd be done. He wanted to funk 910 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,760 Speaker 1: after and I didn't feel like I had to. Thanks 911 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,839 Speaker 1: all right, So so after a while I went downstairs 912 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: to get water. I'm sitting at the bar talking to 913 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 1: another couple. So the party promoter of the night, which 914 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: is a woman, came up to me and we started 915 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: talking and we're all just talking about the lifestyle. And 916 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: she's here with her partner and as we're talking, she's like, yeah, so, um, 917 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: my husband was the one upstairs with you, um playing 918 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 1: with you in the room. And I say, and I 919 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 1: just I froze. I'm not even gonna lie to you 920 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: like I froze because I didn't know although I'm in 921 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 1: this environment, I was just like, oh shoot, I was 922 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,440 Speaker 1: just letting your husband all of in these kids, and 923 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 1: I didn't know even what. Her kind of response to 924 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 1: that was everyone has different rules. Everyone is, you know, 925 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 1: they're into different things. There's levels to this. What are 926 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: y'all's rules? And if a couple were to get into this, 927 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 1: let's go with rules first and then we'll go to 928 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,919 Speaker 1: that one. So what are y'all's rules with the swinging lifestyle? Well, 929 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: so I mean the rule Like, so I'm usingly the 930 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,359 Speaker 1: one that does all the beddings, so I'm the one 931 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,360 Speaker 1: that usually says all the rules. I don't know how 932 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,760 Speaker 1: to work. Hut. I don't have patience for she doesn't. 933 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,280 Speaker 1: She doesn't, And I think that's why it's weird, because 934 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 1: like the roles switched to a certain degree because like 935 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: she has to take like in in this like she 936 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: has to take the one dominant role, but but the 937 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:48,839 Speaker 1: like but then it's like she gets fed up dealing 938 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: with these women and I'm like, well, welcome to all world. 939 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,719 Speaker 1: Like I was like, you know, if you need to 940 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,560 Speaker 1: include me in this group chat, I need to talk 941 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 1: to someone on the phone so they know I exist. 942 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: I am happy to do so. But in terms of 943 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 1: like is our rules what you like? Conversations are like 944 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,879 Speaker 1: you don't just stick not at all, not at all, okay, 945 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,920 Speaker 1: but our rules. I was like, I always tell I 946 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 1: always tell them that I'm in the women's feet because 947 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 1: like some women are just like whatever, And I always 948 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,319 Speaker 1: tell them that she doesn't kiss guys or do an't 949 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,239 Speaker 1: so like sometimes and then I always ask them what 950 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 1: their rules are, and sometimes they'll be like, well, if 951 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,320 Speaker 1: she's not kissing guys, like we're just all not kissing 952 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 1: at all. And I'm like, all right, that's fine, like 953 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 1: this man, like whatever you guys feel that you guys, 954 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,239 Speaker 1: y'all have your rules and the other couple are going 955 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,640 Speaker 1: to have their rules, and in order to all play, 956 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 1: everyone needs to be on the same page. Definitely, definitely okay, Okay, 957 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,800 Speaker 1: I kind of I can kind of dig that I 958 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,960 Speaker 1: can kind of with this foot fetish though, Like what 959 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,080 Speaker 1: exactly you like foot jobs? You put your toes and 960 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: pussy and it's like, it's not okay, you know, every 961 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,920 Speaker 1: meta guy, every time every time you think, I'm really 962 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,280 Speaker 1: excited right now, every time you'll talk about foot fetishes 963 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: on this on this thing, you always talk about your feet. 964 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,799 Speaker 1: We are going when what I was trying to say 965 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,439 Speaker 1: ship like so the guy who I'm sucking. He got soft, 966 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,560 Speaker 1: fast feet, and I just be like, like rub my 967 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:07,960 Speaker 1: feet on his feet because I'm like, this is a 968 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,319 Speaker 1: real soft feet and my so long I was dealing 969 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: with athletes and them niggas feeza is terrible. Oh my god, 970 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,880 Speaker 1: it's terrible. So I haven't ever really been with a 971 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,839 Speaker 1: guy with really nice feet. So his feet are really nice, 972 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,279 Speaker 1: and so I just be And that goes from me 973 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,840 Speaker 1: thinking his feet are smooth to apparently wheezy thinking I 974 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 1: want to That's a huge jump. I don't want the 975 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 1: toes in my butthole. I don't want them. No, like, 976 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,320 Speaker 1: keep the toes away from my holes. So with this 977 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 1: foot fetish, you just like looking at them. I like 978 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,759 Speaker 1: looking at like I literally can get off looking at feet. 979 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,440 Speaker 1: But I also like shoes in general. Like, to me, 980 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 1: it's like we have a Dallas. I mean, his ship was, 981 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,640 Speaker 1: it was a little it was, it wasn't It's not 982 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 1: what I'm into, but I can see how you could 983 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: get there. Okay, I'm not into it. Okay, I'd be 984 00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,280 Speaker 1: strolling on Instagram and he already like Lola shoots takes 985 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: image before me, and I'm like, okay, the account down. 986 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:05,920 Speaker 1: I just want you to know, you popping up on 987 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,920 Speaker 1: liking these shoe accounts, you being spotted out here. No, no, 988 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 1: she's told about me. I'm the one with all that stuff. 989 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 1: You know, he's on there, but like he's like Cupid shoes, 990 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: Lola shooting all that, all the accounts it out, just 991 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,440 Speaker 1: orders them. So I'm like, oh, these didn't fit right, 992 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,399 Speaker 1: you know, a guy with a fetish, because I would 993 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,359 Speaker 1: like some new hells. I mean, I try to switch 994 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,439 Speaker 1: it up. Sometimes it's wedges. I got her some joints 995 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 1: that look like Blanche from from what's that Golden Girls? 996 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,880 Speaker 1: The little little slide on joints, the mules word. We've 997 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,800 Speaker 1: done a lot of a lot of different styles. But 998 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: like to me, it's like I like to see how 999 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,960 Speaker 1: you would like first of all, like what color did 1000 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,279 Speaker 1: you pick for your toes? One? Then like what kind 1001 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,440 Speaker 1: of shoe would you wear with that? And also does 1002 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 1: that matter? Like you I knew it now. Now let 1003 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,279 Speaker 1: me ask you this since you want here, what do 1004 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,000 Speaker 1: you think of white toes? For? Like, I like white 1005 00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,759 Speaker 1: toes and I think a lot of women like white toes, 1006 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,919 Speaker 1: but I don't know the male perspective all about white toes. Yeah, 1007 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,880 Speaker 1: about it. I got white toes okay, I got a 1008 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 1: um okay, So wait, let's go back to the guy. 1009 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: So our very further story. Yes, all right, so this 1010 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,759 Speaker 1: is actually a good segue. So what happened was we 1011 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,160 Speaker 1: went to we went to Caligula. That that like Saturday, right, 1012 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 1: we go to Caligula. We get in the cab. I'm tight, like, 1013 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,360 Speaker 1: I was like, yo he was. He was like, he 1014 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,399 Speaker 1: was like, we thought we were gonna so he went 1015 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,439 Speaker 1: in there thinking it's gonna be orgy seventy styles over 1016 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,840 Speaker 1: for each other, and it's definitely not. It's the club downstairs, 1017 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,520 Speaker 1: and then the upstairs had no expectations and I was like, oh, 1018 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,480 Speaker 1: we fucked him my body. She was hype like. I 1019 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,279 Speaker 1: was like, what else can we do? I was like, 1020 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,400 Speaker 1: already went like what's next? I was, I was hyped, 1021 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,400 Speaker 1: and he was he was so salty, so tight. So 1022 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 1: then I go, so then I go. I was so 1023 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,959 Speaker 1: then we go to brunch with our friends the next morning, 1024 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: like since like the next and I was like fuck, Like, 1025 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,479 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there at brunch under the table looking at Craigs. 1026 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,440 Speaker 1: I was like, we're in high school. And I was 1027 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 1: like I was looking at this ship. So I was like, 1028 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,520 Speaker 1: I hit up this guy on the thing. It was 1029 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,560 Speaker 1: a couple. She's like, yeah, let's meet up whatever. We 1030 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,480 Speaker 1: met with them that saying that next day, so that 1031 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,279 Speaker 1: suddenly I was ready. I was in the movie, like 1032 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 1: we went out for a drink. We went out for 1033 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 1: a drink. I was like, real quick whatever, but he 1034 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 1: was like, yo, like I'm really in the feet. So 1035 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 1: of course I got mad picks of her feet on 1036 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,719 Speaker 1: my phone. So I was like, I was like, yo, 1037 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,920 Speaker 1: look at them and the sandals, look at them. You know. 1038 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,520 Speaker 1: He was hype, and I was like bad, all right, cool, 1039 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,719 Speaker 1: we connect on that level. I'm like I like them. 1040 00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,520 Speaker 1: I was like, I like him. So then we go 1041 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,279 Speaker 1: all for a drink. The other girl was cool, like 1042 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,799 Speaker 1: they hit it off, so it's like, all right, cool. 1043 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,400 Speaker 1: So then we go back to her place and like 1044 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,480 Speaker 1: he was like just like so into her, into her 1045 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,600 Speaker 1: feet and like that. But then his girl was getting 1046 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,640 Speaker 1: turned on by him getting turned on her feet rubbing 1047 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,080 Speaker 1: her feet. So he just rubbed your feet, yeah, because 1048 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,000 Speaker 1: she's she's used to getting her foot run and y'all 1049 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,120 Speaker 1: seem a little bit too late. So there's no way 1050 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,840 Speaker 1: that this stops at him rubbing your feet. What the 1051 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,120 Speaker 1: hell else happened? I don't think we we did full swap. 1052 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,440 Speaker 1: He went out on me and then y'all played a 1053 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,000 Speaker 1: lot and he and he I went. I gave him 1054 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 1: like three strokes with my hand and he was done 1055 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,840 Speaker 1: because I think that was like their first time, that 1056 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,239 Speaker 1: was our first time. So it was just like an 1057 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,680 Speaker 1: other guy after like all of that, Like we had 1058 00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 1: been to the club the night before, and clearly he's 1059 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,759 Speaker 1: been exploring this and everything. So so I was like, 1060 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,880 Speaker 1: he was like, yo, this isn't enough for me. He 1061 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 1: was ready for the full swap. The other guy was like, 1062 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,520 Speaker 1: I was giving him a hand minish three. He was 1063 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,880 Speaker 1: like done. That was it. I will say to I 1064 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,279 Speaker 1: feel like, Um, I know a guy who's who's this 1065 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 1: way and he likes to see his woman with other 1066 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,640 Speaker 1: men because he can't stay up as much and wants 1067 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,319 Speaker 1: to please her and allow her to be pleased. Um, 1068 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,719 Speaker 1: do you feel like this that you guys noticed that 1069 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 1: how you said he came fast just off the hand job. 1070 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,880 Speaker 1: Have you noticed maybe one person in these couples not 1071 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:59,239 Speaker 1: being as sexual as the other. But I mean some 1072 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:00,880 Speaker 1: of these dudes though, I feel like a lot of 1073 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,440 Speaker 1: guys getting to swing and ship and I've seen it myself, 1074 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,239 Speaker 1: like and we spoke about this last night. It was like, yo, 1075 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,719 Speaker 1: like we had what I would consider probably the the 1076 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,680 Speaker 1: like the baddest woman that like we've been with, and 1077 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,040 Speaker 1: I couldn't get up, Like I literally went to the 1078 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,080 Speaker 1: bathroom and prayed. I was like, God, here, we're here 1079 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,160 Speaker 1: right now, like this is a dream, like this couple 1080 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,120 Speaker 1: was like the hottest couple we've been with, and you 1081 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: just couldn't. I couldn't get it up, But then I did. 1082 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,480 Speaker 1: After the prayer prayer works, you did not wait who 1083 00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,040 Speaker 1: did you pray to God? I was like, you pray 1084 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:42,160 Speaker 1: to God? Oh my God? Clearly he answered, But I 1085 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,040 Speaker 1: don't know if that's a prayer that you're supposed Look 1086 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,279 Speaker 1: the Lord understands. So you went into the bathroom. Can 1087 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,400 Speaker 1: can we go through what you prayed? Like? What was 1088 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,120 Speaker 1: your prayer? I didn't know. I need to hear this prayer? 1089 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,080 Speaker 1: Did you say, dear Lord? Yes? I was like, look, Lord, 1090 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,800 Speaker 1: I was like, look, we're here, like, please just help me. 1091 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,279 Speaker 1: You were here. I was like, look like I like 1092 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,560 Speaker 1: I com please let me, please help me get up? 1093 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,520 Speaker 1: Please please and so okay, you pleaded for the Lord 1094 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,480 Speaker 1: to help you, he answered, and I finished, and we 1095 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,680 Speaker 1: were good. YEA, yeah it was. But the point was 1096 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,480 Speaker 1: is that, like I feel like a lot of times 1097 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,320 Speaker 1: guys coming there and like when you talk about like 1098 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,799 Speaker 1: just like men being around other men whatever, and it's 1099 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 1: like sometimes like I'm at the point now we've been 1100 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,400 Speaker 1: with enough couples, we've been around enough women that I'm like, 1101 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,400 Speaker 1: I know what I can and can't do, and I 1102 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,799 Speaker 1: can look at it ask me like you I can't 1103 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,960 Speaker 1: do nothing with that, Whereas while I see other guys 1104 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,160 Speaker 1: like are you sure that you can? Actually you can 1105 00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 1: actually handed that, because like don't you know what I mean, 1106 00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,680 Speaker 1: because some people think that they can. And it's like 1107 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,239 Speaker 1: say that all the time when it comes to threesomes, 1108 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,719 Speaker 1: Like I've had guys that I who could barely handle me. 1109 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, you think I'm gonna have another bit up 1110 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,520 Speaker 1: in here? You barely handle all this death? Nope, um 1111 00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:01,120 Speaker 1: so here embarrassing it. I only been to that here 1112 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,799 Speaker 1: thinking I'm getting mediocre. Damn Ie. You to be able 1113 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,640 Speaker 1: to boys hello, and I need you to be able 1114 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,120 Speaker 1: to last and take care of both of us. I 1115 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,319 Speaker 1: need her to be like who knows some good dick, 1116 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,880 Speaker 1: Like I need that type of reaction. So, before we 1117 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,279 Speaker 1: wrap up this which I've loved, and I hope that 1118 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,480 Speaker 1: all of you guys have enjoyed this conversation as well. 1119 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,799 Speaker 1: Four couples, because we have a lot of couples who 1120 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,759 Speaker 1: listen to the show. So for couples, what advice would 1121 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,120 Speaker 1: you give to someone who's looking to enter this lifestyle? 1122 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,000 Speaker 1: I think, you know what when I ask, you asked 1123 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,120 Speaker 1: all these questions about jealousy, and to me, it just 1124 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,640 Speaker 1: made me think the only reason anyone should be jealous 1125 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,719 Speaker 1: is because there's somewhere your trust isn't complete. You have 1126 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,520 Speaker 1: to communicate, communication and trust. The bringing up communication for 1127 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,440 Speaker 1: mesode so and to me, it's like the only way 1128 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,480 Speaker 1: you trust people is to have that open communication when 1129 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,280 Speaker 1: you when you're fully confident that your partner is telling 1130 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,759 Speaker 1: you straightforward this is what I want. Then what do 1131 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,759 Speaker 1: you have to doubt like that? Yeah? And I think 1132 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,000 Speaker 1: like if you're thinking and like my thing is that 1133 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,719 Speaker 1: like I don't have any thought in my mind that 1134 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,440 Speaker 1: like I own her or like she's my property. So 1135 00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:11,800 Speaker 1: it's like if this is something that she wants to do. 1136 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,279 Speaker 1: She can go do it, you know what I mean? Like, 1137 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,240 Speaker 1: and to me, it's like, I don't I'm not jealous 1138 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,440 Speaker 1: just because like that's just gonna stress me out, Like 1139 00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:19,880 Speaker 1: that's not gonna stop. Like if she wants to go 1140 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 1: do something, she's gonna go do something. Like that's not 1141 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,560 Speaker 1: my place to act like I'm controlling her now real quick, though, 1142 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,720 Speaker 1: can I get in here a little bit sure? Because 1143 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,600 Speaker 1: you said the trust thing, do you feel like you 1144 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,040 Speaker 1: trusted him at the point when you went through his emails? 1145 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,160 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, No, I don't think I trusted him. I 1146 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,840 Speaker 1: think I trusted him more. I definitely think swinging fortified 1147 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,200 Speaker 1: our relationship. Okay, yeah, I mean because it makes you 1148 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,400 Speaker 1: have to communicate, like the fact that like we can 1149 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,920 Speaker 1: actually talk about like the people that were attracted to 1150 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:58,080 Speaker 1: it's like like out so so I I used to 1151 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,959 Speaker 1: feel like sometimes I was like you out here looking 1152 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,680 Speaker 1: thirsty like in all these host pictures and like leaving 1153 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,760 Speaker 1: these comments like what does that make me look like? 1154 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,680 Speaker 1: Like you like like it makes you look thirsty like whatever? 1155 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,880 Speaker 1: And then I was like like after having the conversations, 1156 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,200 Speaker 1: like it was after we had all these conversations and 1157 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this man loves me, like this man 1158 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,040 Speaker 1: loves me so and I love myself. It's funny because 1159 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:28,240 Speaker 1: I think when you're in relationships, the jealousy and insecurity 1160 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:33,280 Speaker 1: and the distrust comes from you being scared that he's 1161 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,680 Speaker 1: going to be with another person. When you're swinging, y'all 1162 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,560 Speaker 1: are both allowing each other to be with other people, 1163 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,400 Speaker 1: so you don't have the time to sit here and 1164 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,480 Speaker 1: be like, oh, I wonder if he's talking to somebody 1165 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,160 Speaker 1: else without me, etcetera, etcetera. And because you guys open 1166 00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,400 Speaker 1: yourself to dealing with other couples, these are things that 1167 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,840 Speaker 1: you guys are talking about. You guys know each other's types. 1168 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,560 Speaker 1: You guys know what what you're into. You guys are 1169 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,680 Speaker 1: open to a sense to where you're not worried about 1170 00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,840 Speaker 1: him going out looking for other pussy because here you 1171 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,480 Speaker 1: were going to Caligula next weekend. I know you're good. 1172 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,360 Speaker 1: We're at the strip club being like, how about we 1173 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,800 Speaker 1: take her and have her do a private show for us? 1174 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,200 Speaker 1: And so it's just that comfortability with yourself. Also, you 1175 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,880 Speaker 1: you have to be secure enough as well as you 1176 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,080 Speaker 1: to to be able to be in this type of 1177 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,360 Speaker 1: and I think that's something you could gain through the experience. 1178 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,760 Speaker 1: Like I said, like until I went to Caligula, I 1179 00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,880 Speaker 1: felt like if I was able to fund naked in 1180 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:28,640 Speaker 1: front of everybody, girl, say it, how much more confident 1181 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,240 Speaker 1: can you get? Hello in front of people, letting them 1182 00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,760 Speaker 1: see all your bad angles? To listen were you? You're 1183 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,320 Speaker 1: not always in the prettiest of angle. The hair rolling, 1184 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,760 Speaker 1: showing the dimples is out. You're gonna see it all. 1185 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:44,880 Speaker 1: You don't see it all. I appreciate that. So as 1186 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,800 Speaker 1: you guys know, um, every episode we do how mail, 1187 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,120 Speaker 1: how male? He said he was excited about this, and 1188 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,080 Speaker 1: this is a good one. We're gonna do one this 1189 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,880 Speaker 1: episode because we're almost out of time, but also this 1190 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,160 Speaker 1: one's long and has a lot to to break into. 1191 00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,920 Speaker 1: If you guys are interested in sending us your whole mail, 1192 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,400 Speaker 1: you guys can do so at Horrible Decisions at gmail 1193 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,760 Speaker 1: dot com. So let's go ahead and get into this one. 1194 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,600 Speaker 1: This one is titled how did We get here? Hi, ladies, 1195 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,880 Speaker 1: Love Love, love your show. I was introduced to your 1196 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,840 Speaker 1: show by a good friend who knows what an undercover 1197 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,960 Speaker 1: who I truly am. You ladies are awesome. I am 1198 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,080 Speaker 1: writing you to ask what you think of my situation. 1199 01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,600 Speaker 1: My boyfriend and I we're going through a tough time, 1200 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,800 Speaker 1: so we broke up. We are still in the patching 1201 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,000 Speaker 1: up stages, and honestly, I don't know if the relationship 1202 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,840 Speaker 1: will work out in the end, but right now our 1203 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,240 Speaker 1: sex life has dramatically changed. We went from not being 1204 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,200 Speaker 1: intimate after the breakup to exploring a bunch of kinky 1205 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,760 Speaker 1: stuff recently. A little over a month ago, I joking 1206 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,760 Speaker 1: only said I. I jokingly said, I'd have to force 1207 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,800 Speaker 1: him to wear my panties, and so he did. He 1208 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,040 Speaker 1: enjoyed that, and so we started panty play. Then we 1209 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,080 Speaker 1: got into discussion about what else he would like um 1210 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,640 Speaker 1: to try, and anal came up for both him and I. 1211 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,320 Speaker 1: Long story short, he took that ship like a champ, 1212 01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,400 Speaker 1: whereas I'm still working my way up the annual training 1213 01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,280 Speaker 1: kit ladder. Since he did so well with the plug 1214 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,600 Speaker 1: and the dildo, we decided to try pegging, but he 1215 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,080 Speaker 1: wasn't trying to have the little bittie dildo, so I 1216 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,800 Speaker 1: got a nine inch dildo again. He took that real 1217 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,800 Speaker 1: well and he loves it rough too. Next check this out. 1218 01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,840 Speaker 1: It escalated to an eighteen inch double dung. The idea. 1219 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,720 Speaker 1: The idea was that it would be for both of us, 1220 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,480 Speaker 1: but we ended up using it just on him, all 1221 01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:34,840 Speaker 1: eighteen inches. That was a super shocker. Some other things. 1222 01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,080 Speaker 1: Some other random things we've incorporated is he started calling 1223 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,760 Speaker 1: me goddess. I had him wear a ball gag while 1224 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,800 Speaker 1: I sucked the ship out of his ass. I've been 1225 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,000 Speaker 1: spanking him. He's recently worn one of my thigh high 1226 01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:50,120 Speaker 1: garter belts during sex. And here comes the big one. Lately, 1227 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,400 Speaker 1: we've been discussing a threesome with a transsexual. He's stated 1228 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,120 Speaker 1: he's not attracted to males, but we're like for both 1229 01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,280 Speaker 1: of us to get fucked by a training. I'm not 1230 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,840 Speaker 1: going to lie and excuse me for the word training. 1231 01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,200 Speaker 1: I'm reading the email. I'm not going to lie. A 1232 01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,160 Speaker 1: bit of me gets excited by the thought of this, 1233 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,560 Speaker 1: but a part of me is terrified of it. I 1234 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,320 Speaker 1: just don't have the confidence to be that comfortable around 1235 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,920 Speaker 1: and third party. So here's the questions, guys. So, I 1236 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,040 Speaker 1: guess my question to you guys, is is it possible 1237 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,440 Speaker 1: that an anal virgin could take a dialdo so well 1238 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,760 Speaker 1: on his first try? I mean, I've had a finger 1239 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,400 Speaker 1: in my ask before many times and still can't work 1240 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,720 Speaker 1: my way up to a larger plug. But here my 1241 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,200 Speaker 1: guy just takes that ship like it's nothing. Two, if 1242 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,880 Speaker 1: I do decide to explore this threesome, how do we 1243 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,600 Speaker 1: go about meeting a training for a hook up? And Three? 1244 01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,360 Speaker 1: How do I bring it back to normal sex? Not 1245 01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,280 Speaker 1: that I'm not enjoying exploring, because I am for the 1246 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,960 Speaker 1: most part, but I really miss being vulnerable to him 1247 01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,720 Speaker 1: and just being the lady. Will it ever go back 1248 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,120 Speaker 1: to normal? Signed? How did we get here? I loved 1249 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:52,760 Speaker 1: this letter, and when I knew y'all were coming on 1250 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,720 Speaker 1: the show, I said, flat, sorry, let me ask, So 1251 01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,600 Speaker 1: I guess let's answer the first question first, um, and 1252 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,360 Speaker 1: real quick? Have you ever had annal play yourself? So 1253 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:09,440 Speaker 1: we started we just like the whole time, obviously, started 1254 01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,880 Speaker 1: with what's that? Like? What's it like a prostate? I mean, well, 1255 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:18,720 Speaker 1: we started with my fingers, yeah, well wet before there's 1256 01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,640 Speaker 1: there's levels, tongue, fingers, and then and then we got 1257 01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,480 Speaker 1: to like I was always at the sex shop, like 1258 01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,280 Speaker 1: what do you think of this one? This one? Taking pictures? 1259 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:32,400 Speaker 1: And okay, but guys, you will never feel an orgasm 1260 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,520 Speaker 1: like a prostate orgasm. Say that I've been trying to 1261 01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,560 Speaker 1: tell yo, g spodies in your booty hole, it ain't 1262 01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,520 Speaker 1: gonna make you gay. Let me just and you don't 1263 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,520 Speaker 1: trying to us. I will clearly I ain't with nobody 1264 01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,360 Speaker 1: that's letting me because my cur has been long. But 1265 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:48,960 Speaker 1: if y'all see me with short nails is because I 1266 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,360 Speaker 1: got a nigga. Let me play in that booty home. 1267 01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,840 Speaker 1: So it's true. The prostate of prostate orgasm is like 1268 01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,600 Speaker 1: I like, literally I left like I couldn't think. And 1269 01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,880 Speaker 1: if you're into come, there's a lot more with that 1270 01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,720 Speaker 1: orgasms than a regularly the way I the way I 1271 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,840 Speaker 1: described it is like if you empty in the gas 1272 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,360 Speaker 1: tank regularly, like when you come, but like this was 1273 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,800 Speaker 1: like going into the reserve. This is like this is 1274 01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:17,600 Speaker 1: like a whole another like level of like I don't so, 1275 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:21,560 Speaker 1: so how well did you take it? Like if it 1276 01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,880 Speaker 1: was so, do you feel like? I mean the same 1277 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,120 Speaker 1: way dicks are different, the same way vagina holes are different, 1278 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,960 Speaker 1: I feel like the same way as assholes are different. 1279 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,960 Speaker 1: So just because he's taking it well doesn't necessarily mean 1280 01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,800 Speaker 1: he's done it before. Maybe he's played with himself prior, 1281 01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,360 Speaker 1: and then he also could just like pain, you know, 1282 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,280 Speaker 1: I mean he likes it rough, right, I mean it 1283 01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,000 Speaker 1: does sound like he likes to be dominated like that 1284 01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,480 Speaker 1: sounds like his things, so like like he might just 1285 01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,880 Speaker 1: like the pain that goes on. And then I want 1286 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,320 Speaker 1: to know what kind of loube they use, hopefully folk Clube. 1287 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,200 Speaker 1: Folklube sponsored our last live show and is also sponsoring. 1288 01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,240 Speaker 1: But I actually probably I should have brought some for 1289 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:01,880 Speaker 1: you guys, but we have spunk loop and it's super. 1290 01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,400 Speaker 1: You have to let me know how however, but I 1291 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,720 Speaker 1: didn't even think that. So maybe he just likes it rough. 1292 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,959 Speaker 1: So even though he's taking makes it look easy, yes, which, 1293 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,880 Speaker 1: oh I know, I'd be eagle lies. I'll be taking 1294 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,560 Speaker 1: some big old dicks and I'll be like, this ship hurts, 1295 01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:22,000 Speaker 1: but I gotta throw it back. Okay. So so so 1296 01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,160 Speaker 1: I guess to the he may or may not be 1297 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,480 Speaker 1: a virgin. I mean, but it's like, but either way, 1298 01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,280 Speaker 1: like the way you're doing it right, it doesn't matter, 1299 01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,840 Speaker 1: doesn't It doesn't matter? Um, if they decide to explore 1300 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,400 Speaker 1: the threesome, how do they go about meeting a training 1301 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,200 Speaker 1: for a hook up? And I think this is interesting 1302 01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:38,760 Speaker 1: because that's kind of what you guys are in the 1303 01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,040 Speaker 1: process of doing. Now, how do you find one? Honestly, 1304 01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm trying to find out too. So 1305 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:48,080 Speaker 1: if they crazy, because I do have friends, um guy 1306 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:49,840 Speaker 1: friends who have opened up to me and who are 1307 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:54,320 Speaker 1: into trans and um, Craigslist was the way they were 1308 01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:59,080 Speaker 1: the way for everyone was the way they were finding them. Um. Also, 1309 01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,240 Speaker 1: if you you could be on a lot of people 1310 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,439 Speaker 1: do use the hashtags on Instagram. So if you type 1311 01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,240 Speaker 1: in t S trans want, Oh, actually I do have 1312 01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:15,040 Speaker 1: an answer, Tumbler. Tumbler is the is the come up for, 1313 01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,080 Speaker 1: like if you want to find other swinger couples, if 1314 01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:18,720 Speaker 1: you want to find trans women, if you want to 1315 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,840 Speaker 1: basically anything and like, they'll have like full pages and 1316 01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:27,360 Speaker 1: stuff that you can contact. Okay, So Tumbler you might 1317 01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,480 Speaker 1: want to check. Also when you're on um the dating apps, 1318 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:35,280 Speaker 1: I would say maybe Google if there's a transgender site 1319 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:39,200 Speaker 1: that would be comparable to like a tender or a 1320 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,360 Speaker 1: lot of people think Field is a lot more open Okay, 1321 01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,000 Speaker 1: so Field may also be. And also there's quite a 1322 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:48,360 Speaker 1: bit of fetish sites that you could possibly look into 1323 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,320 Speaker 1: where and message boards. I mean that's really old school 1324 01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,120 Speaker 1: to try the message boards, but that would be a way. Um. 1325 01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,520 Speaker 1: And also if you maybe just go to some gay 1326 01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:00,240 Speaker 1: clubs exactly, and there's like their transcrip clubs, right, yeah, 1327 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,080 Speaker 1: maybe you meet girls there and if if you know, hey, 1328 01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,000 Speaker 1: what's your contact and they know other trans women, you 1329 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,600 Speaker 1: maybe into joining. You can find it. Yeah, you just 1330 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,560 Speaker 1: if you don't need to do research, start with events. Yeah. 1331 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,840 Speaker 1: I think they're definitely events. Yeah, I think that's that's 1332 01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,120 Speaker 1: how you started. Yeah, because I started going to I 1333 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:17,600 Speaker 1: went to a trans strip club. They have it like 1334 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:23,440 Speaker 1: every Wednesday or something. Actually today, can you actually share 1335 01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,880 Speaker 1: that because we have a lot of New York listeners. 1336 01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:29,520 Speaker 1: So where is the trans umu York? I feel like 1337 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,760 Speaker 1: it's at fairy Tales on Wednesdays. I want to say 1338 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,760 Speaker 1: from like six to don't say here and talked about 1339 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,440 Speaker 1: I want to say, you know they scared and now 1340 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean I'll be I'll send they send text. So 1341 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,600 Speaker 1: I was like, so I think it's it's a fairy Tales. 1342 01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,440 Speaker 1: I know they usually have it. Okay, you look up 1343 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,360 Speaker 1: fairy tales that could also um Right now, you're not 1344 01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,960 Speaker 1: comfortable with a third party This could be maybe the 1345 01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,600 Speaker 1: stepping stone before you actually bring one into the bedroom. 1346 01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,040 Speaker 1: Go to the strip club and make sure that you're 1347 01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,960 Speaker 1: aroused by this, because something else that I also think 1348 01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,920 Speaker 1: would be terrible to do is you agree to do 1349 01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,280 Speaker 1: this with him because he wants to, and then you 1350 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,280 Speaker 1: waste everyone's time because they get there and you realize 1351 01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,240 Speaker 1: I can't go through with this. So I think the 1352 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,640 Speaker 1: strip the strip club is a great way to get 1353 01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,000 Speaker 1: into it. And then just the last question before we 1354 01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:12,520 Speaker 1: get out of here is how do you bring it 1355 01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,640 Speaker 1: back to normal sex. I think they need to get 1356 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,160 Speaker 1: rid of that word normal like because I think that 1357 01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,160 Speaker 1: in general, I think that it's like, this is what 1358 01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,680 Speaker 1: he likes so and because I think they said at 1359 01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,599 Speaker 1: the beginning that they had a problem like with intimacy 1360 01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,120 Speaker 1: from the job. So like now the fact that like 1361 01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:30,400 Speaker 1: you've actually got him exciting, that's why it's this great 1362 01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,320 Speaker 1: sex because now he's able to open up and do 1363 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,760 Speaker 1: the ship that he wanted to do. Um. I guess 1364 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,720 Speaker 1: she maybe wants to take back And it sounds to 1365 01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,879 Speaker 1: me when you said maybe he just likes to be dominated. 1366 01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:46,320 Speaker 1: Maybe there is a thing called control change, which is 1367 01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,400 Speaker 1: something that I like I actually like to be the 1368 01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:52,120 Speaker 1: dominant one in the bedroom. However, sometimes I am with 1369 01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,680 Speaker 1: someone who wants to be the dominant one. UM, and 1370 01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,679 Speaker 1: so you can discuss, Hey, babe, tonight, can you funk 1371 01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,959 Speaker 1: the ship out of me? Can I be the submissive? 1372 01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,320 Speaker 1: And again that has to go just back to communication 1373 01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,800 Speaker 1: with you telling him yes, Like, listen, babe, I know 1374 01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,280 Speaker 1: we've been doing what we've been doing, but can I 1375 01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,560 Speaker 1: be you know, the lady tonight? Which is what she 1376 01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,080 Speaker 1: said in the email. How do I go back to 1377 01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:16,160 Speaker 1: being the lady? She could dominate? His ask to well, 1378 01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,360 Speaker 1: not only that, there's as the ways that after you 1379 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,599 Speaker 1: out of him, y'all can switch mid in the middle 1380 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,640 Speaker 1: of having sex. There are no rules for them. There 1381 01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,040 Speaker 1: are no rules. I I agree. UM. So I hope 1382 01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,280 Speaker 1: that that helped. UM. We are about to wrap up. 1383 01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,000 Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, I do want to, UM give 1384 01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,439 Speaker 1: a shout out to a couple of other podcasts. If 1385 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,960 Speaker 1: you guys are looking for other podcasts, UM, there is 1386 01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,160 Speaker 1: one by my homegirl Carla out in Orlando. It's called 1387 01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,400 Speaker 1: Ship I'm thirty. It's a podcast where they discuss everything 1388 01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,559 Speaker 1: that you deal with as a thirty year old. I'm 1389 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,479 Speaker 1: only twenty seven, So bitch, I ain't there yet, but 1390 01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,120 Speaker 1: I listen. It's it's hilarious. They talk their Their most 1391 01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:57,320 Speaker 1: recent episode talked about dating, um, broke and being broken, 1392 01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,599 Speaker 1: how you adjust with that and what you expect from 1393 01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:01,320 Speaker 1: your part nor at a certain age in your life, 1394 01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,280 Speaker 1: when you reach your career, when you we're not in 1395 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,120 Speaker 1: high school anymore? Now what um? So shout out If 1396 01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,000 Speaker 1: you guys are looking for other podcasts to listen to, 1397 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:12,000 Speaker 1: should I'm Dirty? Also shout out Cocktails UM. They're very 1398 01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,320 Speaker 1: similar to us there um women empowerment and also open 1399 01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,160 Speaker 1: and unfiltered with sex. They are Kiki and Medina out 1400 01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,920 Speaker 1: of Atlanta and you guys got to see them at 1401 01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,040 Speaker 1: Our Lives show if you came to the Atlanta Live Show. 1402 01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,120 Speaker 1: And then another one is called The Black Widow. It 1403 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,760 Speaker 1: is actually more of a narrative. You hear stories, um, 1404 01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,080 Speaker 1: and it's just really good. So I got wet at 1405 01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,200 Speaker 1: my desk. It was about a girl she meant a 1406 01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:39,520 Speaker 1: neget a pool and so it's not actually open dialogue. 1407 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,639 Speaker 1: It's actually more storytelling, but it's it's all about sex. 1408 01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,880 Speaker 1: And y'all know I like Zane. I've talked about it. 1409 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,400 Speaker 1: I read sexual erotic books and so it's like listening 1410 01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,400 Speaker 1: to it in your ear. So before we go out, 1411 01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:54,080 Speaker 1: this is Gabe, this is Ashley. They anonymous but not really. 1412 01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,360 Speaker 1: So how can our listeners contact you if maybe they 1413 01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,719 Speaker 1: have questions about swinging or want to play with you guys, 1414 01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,799 Speaker 1: if y'all are interested, I mean, we're around our around, 1415 01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,960 Speaker 1: we're around our kick is uh that's k I k 1416 01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,560 Speaker 1: um is black skin couple the same way that and 1417 01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,760 Speaker 1: I'll put it in the description, so y'all you know, 1418 01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,800 Speaker 1: because you'll be really curious about this year. So it's 1419 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,800 Speaker 1: called black skin Yeah, B L A X I C 1420 01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:22,040 Speaker 1: A N couple all one word and then if you 1421 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,400 Speaker 1: want to email us, it's black Sicken Couple sixteen at 1422 01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:30,800 Speaker 1: gmail ending. Yes, why did I not know about this? 1423 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,720 Speaker 1: Didn't know y'all had a name? Y'all out here like 1424 01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,120 Speaker 1: the singing group. Okay, definitely if you want to hit 1425 01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,000 Speaker 1: us up, like actually, be like serious and like don't 1426 01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,040 Speaker 1: he don't waste our time and if you have questions, 1427 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:43,479 Speaker 1: like that's cool, Like you know, we've dealt with a 1428 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,280 Speaker 1: lot of different couples in a lot of different stages, 1429 01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,000 Speaker 1: like they could have been new like some have been 1430 01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,719 Speaker 1: like like really like into it, like you know, yeah, 1431 01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,400 Speaker 1: we've we've been in this for a while and you 1432 01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,200 Speaker 1: see a lot pretty quickly. Okay gets to know. Also, 1433 01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,760 Speaker 1: before we get out of here again, guys, we are 1434 01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,560 Speaker 1: working on our audio. If you liked the audio and 1435 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,000 Speaker 1: y'all ain't had no problems with the audio on this episode, 1436 01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,880 Speaker 1: please let me know. Also, we are recording out of 1437 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,840 Speaker 1: Gotham Podcast Studio. UM. We're all Fulton like we right 1438 01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,519 Speaker 1: smack dab in the middle of Manhattan. So if you 1439 01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:14,640 Speaker 1: guys are looking to create a podcast or looking for 1440 01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,639 Speaker 1: a new place to record your podcast, UM, go ahead. 1441 01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,840 Speaker 1: And their Instagram is at Gotham Podcast Studio. UM, I'll 1442 01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,599 Speaker 1: go ahead and tack them on our Instagram as well. 1443 01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,320 Speaker 1: Check them out. They have two rooms. It's availability like 1444 01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,960 Speaker 1: and if you guys like the sound of us today, 1445 01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,719 Speaker 1: this is where the funk we're recording. UM. So shout 1446 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,200 Speaker 1: out again Gotham Podcast. Shout out to everyone coming to 1447 01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,880 Speaker 1: the New York Live show June twenty two. Sorry, host 1448 01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,439 Speaker 1: tickets out. I don't know what to tell y'all, but 1449 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,920 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see all of y'all, um, and again 1450 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,639 Speaker 1: we'll be back to the regular scheduled program. We should 1451 01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:44,960 Speaker 1: be on the next episode. We should be back in 1452 01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,960 Speaker 1: the building. It'll be all lit. Anyways, guys again, this 1453 01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:57,320 Speaker 1: has been yet another episode of horrible decisions. Bye by Oh,