1 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, our back. Normally the show, but normal it 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: takes for when the news gets weird. I'm Mary Calthy Camp. 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Markowitz. How was your weekend, Mary Catherine, 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: let's banter. 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: Oh, it's pretty good. 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 3: Did a little adventure out in the country. 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: I had a panel to do the country. 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 3: It's like thirty five minutes from here in Virginia, but 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 3: it is for rigid here. Like I was like, maybe 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 3: we could go ice skating. It's fourteen degrees. No, we're 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 3: not going ice skating. 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: Does that happen like in the backyard? 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, possibly on any street in DC. Actually yes, I. 14 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 4: Actually have a friend in Virginia who posted a picture 15 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 4: of her daughter's ice skating in the backyard. 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, it could be done. 17 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: It could be I went to Las Vegas. 18 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 4: It was a very good time, A nice, necessary little 19 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 4: break for a friend's birthday. 20 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 21 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 4: I saw a Wizard of Oz at the sphere, my 22 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 4: friend time at the sphere. 23 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 3: Have you been No, I have been near the sphere, 24 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 3: but not in the sphere, and it is impressive even 25 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 3: from the outside. 26 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really cool. I mean it was a 27 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 4: really interesting experience. So yeah, Vegas a little bit dead though, 28 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 4: a little bit dead, and I feel like I'm going 29 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 4: to maybe write something on it because I love Las 30 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 4: Vegas and I haven't been since twenty nineteen and we 31 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 4: used to go every single year, and they broke us 32 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 4: by having the mask mandate a little too long, and 33 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 4: I was just imagining myself in a casino with the 34 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 4: mask on, and like, I mean, let's be real, like 35 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 4: covids the least of your problems, like. 36 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: We are in the place, let us do it. 37 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 4: Like one time they tested poker chips and you cannot 38 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 4: even imagine the substances like on the chess, so so 39 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 4: like please, like masking was unnecessary. 40 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 3: It's all about risk analysis, you know, imagine that. 41 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 4: All right, we'll get some more more on risk analysis 42 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 4: and ongoing stupidity in the second topic, but for right now, 43 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 4: over the weekend or since our last episode, in any case, 44 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 4: Don Lemon has been arrested and he seems like he 45 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 4: is having the time of his life. Have you seen 46 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 4: this man happier since he's been arrested. 47 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 3: I mean, look, the career has not been great since 48 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 3: he was ejected and rejected by CNN for repeatedly being 49 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: a problem on air. 50 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: Particularly with female coworkers. 51 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 3: And so yeah, no, I think this is a moment 52 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: where he's happy to become a martyr. 53 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: And we can discuss the legal issues here. 54 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: But of course his fellow journalists, even those who he 55 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: mistreated at CNN, are happy to jump in and say. 56 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: Trump is just after journalists here. 57 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 3: But I think there's a real I know that journalists 58 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 3: don't observe the other part of the First Amendment, which 59 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: is for. 60 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 5: Of course freedom religious practice. 61 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 3: But the problem is that if what's in the indictment 62 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 3: is corre, you know, if what's in the evidence they 63 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 3: gave the grand jury that produced this indictment is correct, 64 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 3: his non speech behavior collided with and violated other people's 65 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 3: speech and First Amendment behavior. 66 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 5: Right on private property. Not to mention that he may 67 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 5: have been asked to leave. I think he was asked 68 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 5: to leave on camera by the preacher. So like, there's 69 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 5: this continued conflation. 70 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: Although I understand that there might be a risk here 71 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: for journalists, there's this continued conflation of non speech behavior 72 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 3: and speech behavior. 73 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: On the left. They're just like, we get to do 74 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: things and you shut up. 75 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: You just take it, right. 76 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really unbelievable. To hear some of the explanations 77 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 4: for this. James Saraweki, who wrote a book called The 78 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 4: Wisdom of Crowds and like really has none of his 79 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 4: own it, tweeted, are you seriously arguing that a journal 80 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 4: to embedded with civil rights protesters in the nineteen sixties 81 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 4: while they planned acts of civil disobedience and then accompanied 82 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 4: them to cover those acts of civil disobedience would be 83 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 4: persecuted for doing so. And our friends Steve Miller Redste's rights. 84 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 4: Don Lemon in this analogy is the guy going along 85 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 4: with the clan and filming as they fire Bama Church, Like. 86 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: You're not the good guys, You're not. 87 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 4: You disrupted a church service. You're not the good guys. 88 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: Well, a couple things here, So this is under the 89 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: he's being charged under Freedom of access to clinic entrances 90 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 3: the Face Act. Yeah, and part of this law requires 91 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: that you also adhere to these rules in places of worship. 92 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 3: And this was kind of a deal between the left compromise, right, 93 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 3: like want you want this area clear? We want this 94 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: area clear. 95 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: Right, So it's in the law. 96 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 3: And then a lot of people on the left are saying, well, 97 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: this law is probably unconstitutional. Well, that's interesting because the 98 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: Biden administration used it freely against people who were sitting 99 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: outside of marshing clinics. By the way, some of whom 100 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 3: were black activists. So miss me with the this is 101 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: racist Jamiroho argument, which of course she deployed immediately. I 102 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 3: am willing to look at this and go, okay, this 103 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: could pose risks for journalists who are embedded. 104 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: But here's the problem. 105 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 3: If this is not prosecuted evenly on both sides, then 106 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 3: you end up with not a standard at all for 107 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 3: what journalists can do and whether they can step in 108 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 3: the line. So on January sixth, several journalists whose video 109 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: was used by The New York Times HBO were charged, 110 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 3: less charged, given sentences, and it was largely because they 111 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 3: were considered right of center independent journalists so that didn't count. 112 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: Or they were just very willing to say you crossed 113 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 3: the line and therefore your journalism status does not protect you, 114 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: which is true. I mean even fire, which is like 115 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 3: the you know, freedom of speech orgzations like journalists do 116 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: not have a special license to break generally applicable laws. 117 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: That's right. 118 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: When the pastor of City's church asked women to leave 119 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: he no longer had the right to stay. 120 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 121 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's you know, like forget about it being a church. 122 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 4: It's private property. Like you don't get to just invade 123 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 4: someone's house and yell at the in their face because 124 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 4: you don't like them. Like, it's just kind of not 125 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 4: how the First Amendment works. Among other amazing commentary over 126 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 4: the last few days, the CEO of The Atlantic tweeted 127 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 4: the statute under which Don Lemon was arrested may well 128 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 4: be unconstitutional. It's also not clear that he even violated it, 129 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 4: and if he did, his First Amendment rights still outweigh it. 130 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: It's like it's like the meme done in Twitter form. 131 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: I mean, you know it's not happening. It's good that 132 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 2: it's happening. 133 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 4: All that, how to use feed all that with a 134 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 4: straight face. 135 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 3: I just want to mention that the guys from January sixth, 136 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 3: because I think it's worth mentioning. And look, if it 137 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 3: was determined that they went overline again, you're not protected 138 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 3: from criminal activity. But it's like, we have to do this. 139 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 3: Even Stephen Horn, President Biden's DJ arrested him. He was 140 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: sentenced to twelve months probation at two K fine and 141 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: ninety hours community community service. The judge in the case 142 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: did not allow his evidence that he was a journalist 143 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: to be introduced because he said it was irrelevant to 144 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 3: whether he had broken the law. And then there's another guy, 145 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: Stephen Baker, who I think now works for The Blaze, 146 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 3: but was an independent videographer and hogger. And he, three 147 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 3: years after it, was arrested and charged with several misdemeanors. 148 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: Like right, and they. 149 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: Love that, they love that. They're like could not get 150 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: enough of that. 151 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 4: And now it's like, you know, Don Lemon was at 152 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 4: some event and he was like applauded and he stood 153 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 4: up and I'm telling you again, this guy's having the 154 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 4: time of his life, like just because his hands up 155 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 4: and like just like yeah, you know, I'm fighting for 156 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 4: all of us. 157 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: Like bro, click, Seriously, can we. 158 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 3: Play a little bit actually from Abby Phillips show, Oh yeah, CNN, 159 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: where Lydia moyne, hand right leaning commentator The New York 160 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 3: Post has you know, actual information about the indictment and 161 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: is refuted by Philip who actually doesn't know what's in 162 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: the indictment. 163 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: So let's hear a little bit of that. 164 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 6: The question is, is he a protester or a journalist, 165 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 6: and the indictment obviously suggested that he posted himself at 166 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 6: the main door he prevented people from exiting. 167 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 7: But ultimately that it does not say that the indictment 168 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 7: it says that protesters did that. It names other people 169 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 7: and actually say that. 170 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 6: But I just want to respond because you accuse me 171 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 6: of mischaracterizing the indictment. This is actually a quote from 172 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 6: the indictment that Lemon posted himself at the main door 173 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 6: of the church, where he confronted some congregants and physically 174 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 6: obstructed them as they tried to exit, challenging them with 175 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 6: facts about US immigration policy. 176 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: So that is what the indictment says. 177 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 6: I'm not stating whether I agree with that, but that's 178 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 6: what the indictment says. 179 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 7: So look, you know they also characterized him as intimidating 180 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 7: a pastor who he was calmly interviewing, so I think 181 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 7: we also have to the characterization of him conducting journalism 182 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 7: is also something to be questioned. 183 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: Mmmm, even if you're not right, Yes, yes I got 184 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 3: it wrong, Yes I said you were messing it up, 185 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 3: Yes you corrected me, and yes I'm still right. 186 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 2: It's all amazing being a CNN. Oh my gosh. 187 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 3: Also, it is worth considering again that this went through 188 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 3: several levels, and everybody says that the magistrate judge rejected 189 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 3: this and then they went but he said, you know, 190 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 3: take it to appeals. They take it to appeals, which 191 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: is the system we have, and then they take it 192 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: to a grand jury. Yeah, and it seems in several 193 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 3: cases everyone like the person involves it, says both Tapper 194 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: and Stephanopolis. This is report our friend Margot Cleveland reporting 195 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 3: at the federalists. Both Tapper and Stephanopolis on their shows 196 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: ignored the fact that a federal appellate judge found the 197 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 3: government had already clearly established probable cause, and that was 198 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 3: before prosecutors went to the grand jury, which was now available, 199 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: where the jurors presumably soft for themselves. What limit is 200 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 3: producer did. One of the strikes against Leomen is of course, 201 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 3: that whatever he did, he was filming himself doing it, 202 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 3: and he was at times obstructing people. He was not 203 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: leaving when asked, and he was before this planning the 204 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: operation with the protesters, which cuts against as it did 205 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 3: in the estimation of judges in some of these j 206 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 3: six cases against the idea that you were merely journalists, right, 207 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 3: although I would note that another guy who was at 208 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 3: the head of the pack on j six, who sold 209 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 3: his stuff to The New Yorker and was left of center, 210 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 3: magically he got a bunch of journalism awards. 211 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: Right. 212 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 4: It's incredible, Yeah, odd how that happens. 213 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 214 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 4: Also, in the last few days, since we're talking about Minneapolis, 215 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 4: pro Publica has named the agents involved. I find that 216 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 4: a little questionable because obviously the agents are going to 217 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 4: get some level of harassment. But what everybody's kind of 218 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 4: pointed who is so interesting about it is that both 219 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 4: of the agents involved in the shooting last week of 220 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 4: alex Pretty are both Latino, And for some reason that's 221 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 4: like a surprise to a lot of people. As many 222 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 4: people have pointed out on x a high percentage of 223 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 4: both ICE agents and Homeland Security agents are actually Hispanic. 224 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: So yes, a couple months ago, I think it was 225 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 3: crystal Ball saying to Jennifer Welch that they could not 226 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: fatom minorities who work for these agencies, and both in 227 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: twenty twenty and now I have thought it's very strange 228 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 3: how happy liberal commenters are to admit that they have 229 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: never interacted with working class minorities, because if you ever have, 230 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 3: you would know. There's a bunch of people in local 231 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: and federal law enforcement, and particularly with Border Patrol, which 232 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 3: operates a lot on the southern border. Many of those 233 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 3: officers are going to be Latino and they don't know this, 234 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 3: or they pretend like Abby's doing. You don't inform yourself 235 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: because it would prevent you from having your white supremacist 236 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: view of ICE as a white supremacist organization, right. 237 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's it. 238 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 4: They have a point of view and they don't want 239 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 4: anything to ruin that point of view. So, yeah, to 240 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 4: come down to South Florida, I'll introduce you to some 241 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 4: members of various Spanish communities that do not believe what 242 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 4: you believe. 243 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: It's shocking. 244 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: One lefty, by the way, I noticed last night was 245 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:40,359 Speaker 3: already doing the Hispanic officers or white supremacists, Hispanics executing 246 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 3: whites in the name of racially purifying America. 247 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to hell. 248 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: What I don't. 249 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: Know, but look, this is part of what. 250 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, my estimation of the facts of the case don't 251 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: change based on the race of the those same same Yeah, 252 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 3: for identity politics, leftists, what's happening here. 253 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: Guys, you do have to contend with these. 254 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 4: Facts, that's right, and they don't want to, so they 255 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 4: won't and nobody will make them. 256 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 2: And that's where we are. We're going to take a short. 257 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 4: Break and be right back with more on normally and 258 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 4: school closures. 259 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: Why do they happen? And Mary Catherine, we'll find out. 260 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: Be right back. 261 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 3: All right, we are back on normally with them some 262 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 3: more news about how it turns out when you break 263 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 3: these social habits and agreements about having functioning cities or 264 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 3: schools or Vegas working without masks, that a lot of 265 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 3: people forget how. 266 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: To do these things. 267 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: And the East Coast is at least its major blu 268 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 3: run cities and metropoli. 269 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: Is that how you do? 270 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 4: We'll accept it. 271 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 3: They are not operable right now because in the DC 272 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: area and. 273 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: New York there was a snowstorm at this point. Granted 274 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: it was there was sleet, there was ice. 275 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 3: The complaint that many municipal services are making is, hey, 276 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: this is forming this very icy snow crete that we 277 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 3: cannot possibly remove without heavy machinery. 278 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: But the point is a bunch of. 279 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: People pay really high taxes for place to live in 280 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 3: places that are not functioning right now. 281 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: They're just not functioning. 282 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, I understand the argument that this is 283 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 4: an extraordinary event. I understood that argument during COVID too. 284 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 4: What I don't understand is why schools are the only 285 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 4: thing still closed. 286 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: How come life goes on everywhere else. 287 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 4: I mean, your restaurants are open, right, businesses are open, 288 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 4: you go, everybody's back to work. 289 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: Only schools remain closed. 290 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. 291 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 3: In DC, they actually it's like pick your own dysfunction 292 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: around here. So Virginia got the roads plowed for the 293 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 3: most part. 294 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: DC. No, I mean, it is frightful in the city. 295 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 3: But DC did open schools for a couple days at 296 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: the end of last week, and oh the unions were 297 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 3: so mad. And then we've got Maryland, which did neither. 298 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: Maryland's like, we'll let you know. 299 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: So here we are with again these every single day 300 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: of learning loss compounds what they lost during COVID. Like 301 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 3: people have not reclaimed that we're not starting from zero, 302 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 3: we're starting from negative further in DC because the all 303 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: the sidewalks are iced over. Muriel Bowser, the mayor, was 304 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 3: just like, we're gonna stop ticketing people for not clearing 305 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 3: their walks, So anybody who abided by the rules, of 306 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 3: course as a sucker, because now. 307 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 4: Losers about that. 308 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: They started a pop up system for salt. 309 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: Oh this is so good. 310 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: You come get your bucket because they're not doing it again. 311 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: This is all sort of it's a one party rule place. 312 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 3: So everyone will probably survive it and move on to 313 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 3: the next disaster where they once again deprive everyone of 314 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 3: services that they pay for. 315 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: But most importantly schools. 316 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, and unions will of course continue to run the place. 317 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 4: Jen Saki, who was, you know, the spokesperson for the 318 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 4: Biden administration, tweeted, wrapping my head around schools in Virginia 319 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 4: being closed for another day when it hasn't snowed in 320 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 4: a week, and this is what it was like making 321 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 4: our way home to school growing up in the Northeast. 322 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 4: And she posted this video of its people climbing a 323 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 4: snowy mountain. I mean, my response to that was, like, 324 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 4: remember when Randy Weingarten was in the White House on 325 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 4: day one of the Biden administration. This is related, Like, 326 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 4: this is what it is. It's the teachers' unions controlled 327 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 4: Democratic Party, and they get whatever they want. And if 328 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 4: there is a little bit of snow on the ground 329 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 4: and life has returned back to normal for everybody else. 330 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: They get to keep schools closed. 331 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 4: And this is what happens when you let a special 332 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 4: interest group run your political party. 333 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: And that's where the Democrats are. 334 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 3: By the way, there was one great account of a 335 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: snowplow had made a snow mountain and the debris blocked 336 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 3: a DC speed camera and wouldn't you know what, Public 337 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 3: Works got out there to dig that speed camera out. 338 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: That was important to do. 339 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: Huh, that was important to do. 340 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: But also, like DC has a little bit more of 341 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 3: an excuse because mid Atlantic less snow. 342 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: What is New York doing? Right? 343 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 2: What is going on in New York? 344 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 4: And we gave that man, we gave Mom Donnie's some 345 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 4: credit last week. 346 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: For clearing the snow, and then it. 347 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 4: Got a little bit more snow and they completely lost 348 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: the plot. 349 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's like mountains of trash because trash has 350 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: not been picked up again. I do think this is 351 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: sort of the the ice versus ice contrast. 352 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: So the very big sort of ground swell among liberal. 353 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 3: Activists against ice and immigration enforcement, which by the way, 354 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 3: is having public impact, and we should acknowledge that. But 355 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 3: you see it that the Grammys like everyone speaking out 356 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 3: about right right, very very dramatic signally display at the 357 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 3: Grammys compared with how liberals actually govern and can produce 358 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 3: results is just sort of in a nutshell what liberalism 359 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 3: or progressivism, I would say, has become and it doesn't 360 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 3: serve people on a day to day basis. I also 361 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 3: loved that a bunch of a whole group of cyclists 362 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 3: did a big ride about, you know, an anti ice 363 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 3: ride around DC, and I thought to myself, huh, a 364 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: bunch of really rich white people on very expensive bicycles 365 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 3: taking up the half a lane that the DC government 366 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 3: has managed to plow so that they can do their 367 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: signaling and no one else could drive to work. 368 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: Right. Amazing guys, the half a leane. I really like that. 369 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 4: Meanwhile, also in New York City, the death toll from 370 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 4: freezing weather is now sixteen homeless people, thirteen of whom 371 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 4: have died of hypothermia. This is from Mayor Mumdanni directly, 372 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 4: and as I'm reading this, I'm like, well, that's one 373 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 4: way to end homelessness, So yes, this must be what 374 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 4: he meant, just like Cuomo solved coma man we're really 375 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 4: going to get in trouble for Yeah. The thing is 376 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 4: is that, like, none of this is compassionate. These people 377 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 4: are supposed to be compassionate. This is not compassion. Letting 378 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 4: people freeze to death because they're too mentally ill to 379 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 4: realize that they need to find shelter is not compassion 380 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 4: And that's why you need to force people indoors during 381 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 4: times like this. You can't just let them die in 382 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 4: the streets. And the idea that we need to be 383 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 4: saying this is beyond And you know what's having the 384 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 4: greatest time about with all of this is ex Mayor Adams. 385 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 2: He is tweeting at Mamdanni regularly. 386 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 4: He's like, I left us surplus. I, you know, had 387 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 4: set up the budget, I did all this stuff. I 388 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 4: don't know why New Yorkers are checked that, man, I 389 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 4: really don't. 390 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: I mean, well, he's not great. 391 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 4: He's not, but he's the best by a mile of 392 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 4: the whole field. 393 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: And the record had gotten better, like the results on 394 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 3: the ground had gotten better. 395 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's right to point out, especially 396 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: about this. 397 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 3: One, that Mamdanni's policy change on homeless encampments is directly 398 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 3: related to these deaths. 399 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: Yep. 400 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: Because they changed the rule, people were not going out 401 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: and trying to get people to shelter. You are allowing 402 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 3: this because you feel that it's compassionate, but as you 403 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 3: note Carrol, it ends in death, which is not compassionate. 404 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 3: I should also note, by the way, did you see 405 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: that out of Seattle, a couple of years after the 406 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 3: twenty twenty autonomous zone, if you recall that the activists 407 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: took over part of Seattle, a young man was murdered there. Yeah, 408 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 3: and Seattle was just sued for negligence by his family 409 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: because you know, the police are supposed to police the 410 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: streets and the government is supposed to have control over 411 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 3: these things, and it did not. They wanted two million 412 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: dollars settlement. Now that just means that taxpayers in Seattle 413 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 3: paid to not use the roads that are theirs and 414 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 3: then also endure to tragic death. And then also we'll 415 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: pay for that negligence. 416 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a win for somebody, definitely. 417 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 3: I just I'm going to become a one issue voter 418 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 3: on like you hippies don't own these streets. 419 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: They belong to people who pay taxes and drive. 420 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 3: Cars, also read books to issue voter. 421 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: Reading is good. Let's teach kids to read. 422 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going back to basics, folks. Roads are for driving, 423 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: schools are for reading books. 424 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and don't over order the Uber eats. But we'll 425 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 4: get into that in the next segment. Next we'll be 426 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 4: right back with more on normally and how Uber eats 427 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 4: maybe use it sparingly. We are back on normally and 428 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 4: a really crazy article in The New York Times a 429 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 4: few days ago called Freedom with a side of Guilt, 430 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 4: how food livery is reshaping meal time and how almost 431 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 4: three of every four restaurant orders in the US are 432 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 4: ordered to eat at home. I found this article top 433 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 4: to bottom Bananas. I mean it opens up with this. 434 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 4: There's pasta in the pantry and jarred sauce in the refrigerator. 435 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 4: So what compels Kihley Reedy to keep having spaghetti with 436 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 4: marinara delivered from the restaurant down the street for several 437 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 4: times the cost of cooking the dish herself? 438 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 2: Bananas? What are you ordering? 439 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 3: What? 440 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 2: I'm so confused. 441 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 4: Look, I love to order, and I am a big 442 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 4: ordering in person less since we moved to Florida because 443 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 4: there just aren't as many options as there were in Brooklyn. 444 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 4: I ordered my groceries, I get it. I treat it 445 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 4: as a luxury because I am time constricted. Yesterday I 446 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 4: ordered a full like Instacart order on the plane, delivered 447 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 4: to my house when I got off. You know, when 448 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 4: I got to my house after coming home from. 449 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: The airport, I had groceries. It was great. 450 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 4: But this ordering spaghetti Marinara from the local restaurant when 451 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 4: you have a jar of sauce in the fridge and 452 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 4: Marinira's sauce is also like the easiest thing in the 453 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 4: world to make. This does not compute for me at all. 454 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 3: So the stats on this are crazy. From her own accounting, 455 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 3: from her roughly fifty thousand dollars annual salary as a 456 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 3: data processor in San Diego, MS Reedy thirty four, grown 457 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 3: thirty four, This is not a twenty one year old. Okay, 458 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 3: thirty four spends at least two hundred to three hundred 459 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 3: a week on food delivery ordering in has eaten away 460 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 3: at her savings, you think, yeah, and letter to socialize 461 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 3: yes less. She tips generously, but worries that the delivery 462 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 3: drivers are poorly paid. Okay, let's take the lower end. 463 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 3: Two hundred dollars a week is roughly ten thousand dollars 464 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 3: a year, and she bakes fifty k In no universe 465 00:23:53,440 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 3: should that be acceptable behavior that we like encourage, right, 466 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 3: Hughes and I appreciated met Iglesias, who is a left 467 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 3: of center guy, grabbed this part and was like, we 468 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 3: should probably admit that some of the affordability problem is 469 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 3: that people just simply are living like this. 470 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's the whole thing, Like you're not allowed 471 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 4: to say that out loud. 472 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 2: Is that people. 473 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 4: Spend in a way that they simply have never spent before. 474 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 4: There's so many things that I just think are out 475 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 4: of control about this. 476 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 2: Kind of thing. 477 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 4: There's a guy in this article who does Uber Eats 478 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 4: delivery because he's in debt from all of his Uber 479 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 4: Eats delivering ordering. 480 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: That's correct, Carol, I just. 481 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 2: I'm so confused, he says. 482 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 4: You know, he complains, it can certainly feel like I'm 483 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 4: one of those robots and not an actual person who 484 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 4: has to go at a restaurant, pick up the food 485 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 4: and drive it to your house, he says. But he 486 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 4: keeps delivering because he likes the flexible hours. Another reason 487 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 4: mister Lane stays at it is to pay off his 488 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 4: debt from ordering too much food delivery, Like if you're 489 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 4: already gonna leave your house to go deliver food, like 490 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 4: just pick up some food. 491 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: That's like a Black Mirror episode right like this, and. 492 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 4: If you delivered it to yourself. 493 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 3: I do think this is again, this is a habit 494 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 3: that people lost during the pandemic. They used to cook more, 495 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 3: they used to go to restaurants more. The restaurants made 496 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 3: a little bit of a deal with the devil during 497 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 3: the pandemic, saying, okay, well they won't let the government 498 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 3: won't let us do anything else, so we're going to 499 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 3: deliver food. Never mind for the laptop class, the people 500 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 3: who actually had to do the delivering, just like all 501 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 3: the essential workers during the pandemic. 502 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: But then we get into this habit, and. 503 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 3: You know, we do more delivery than we used to 504 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 3: pre pandemic, just as we do less going to movies. 505 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 3: Another thing that suffered from this, just like people don't 506 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 3: know how to make schools work. You know, these are 507 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 3: all habits we acquired and jettisoned the old ones, which 508 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: it turns out we're much healthier for pocketbooks than probably 509 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 3: our souls. There's one person in here. Granted he probably 510 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 3: makes more than the fifty K check, he has two kids, 511 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 3: and he spends seven hundred dollars a week to order in. 512 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: I like, it's just baffling to me. 513 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 4: And again, I'm I'm in for the you know, saving 514 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 4: the time and if you have the money to do it. 515 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 4: But I prefer eating at home. I prefer cooking at home. 516 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 4: It's easier, it's healthier, it's tastier a lot of the time, 517 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 4: Like all of that just is it's better. And if 518 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 4: you're going to order in, like maybe, yeah, go step out, 519 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 4: go see what the world is like out there, Go 520 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 4: eat at the bar at your favorite restaurant and see 521 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 4: people in real life instead of just staring at your 522 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 4: four walls. 523 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think, and I you know, I don't. 524 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 3: I try not to be too much of a gen 525 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 3: z dumper honor. 526 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: I mean they get plenty of that. Yeah, I mean 527 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: there's this one woman, I yelled. 528 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 3: Sophomore said there's almost always a delivery driver outside her dorm, 529 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 3: even though undergraduates living on campus. 530 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: Are required to pay for a meal. Player. 531 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you are paying twice to eat food in college, 532 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 3: and then you're graduating with a bunch of debt, and 533 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 3: then you're telling the rest of us, we need to 534 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 3: forgive that debt. They also all these people have some 535 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 3: white concerns about the environment. That was the funniest part 536 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 3: statement of workers. The trash that piles up from these deliveries. 537 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 3: But they're still going to keep doing it right. 538 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 4: They're doing it insane quantities, and they're like feeling guilt 539 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 4: about it. 540 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 2: That's the other thing. 541 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 4: Like I but when I order food, I do not 542 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 4: feel guilt about it. Like, just get over it. Like, 543 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 4: if you're going to do something like that, just do it. 544 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 4: Don't give us a whole story about it. There was 545 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 4: an article in New York magazine back in I don't 546 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 4: know even no One a few months ago. 547 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 2: I haven't opened on my screen, but it doesn't have 548 00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 2: a date. 549 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 4: But it was about how a lot of people are 550 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 4: paying for the Coachella concert with like a payment plan. 551 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 4: And of course this article gets into how expensive Coachella 552 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 4: has gotten and how it's benefiting, you know, the richest people. 553 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 4: The Coachella CEO is a conservative billionaire, blah blah blah. 554 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 2: But like the argument that maybe. 555 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 4: You shouldn't go to Coachella if it requires you getting 556 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 4: on a payment plan for it never enters. 557 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: The scope here. 558 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 2: And that's the thing. 559 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 4: If you can't afford this kind of thing. And I've 560 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 4: had many times in my life where I could not 561 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 4: afford certain luxuries. I didn't do them, and I've been 562 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 4: in debt. I've definitely had, you know, times in my 563 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 4: life where things were really tough. 564 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 2: You have to just get on a path where nobody 565 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 2: needs to tell. 566 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 4: You you don't need to live like this. This is not normal, 567 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 4: that's the whole thing. It's not normal. The people you're 568 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 4: seeing on social media who are ordering Uber eats and 569 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 4: going to Coachella and whatever, that's not normal. That's not 570 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 4: the way that young people lived. And you need to 571 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 4: be able to kind of put yourself first and not 572 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 4: get yourself into debt over trying to emulate people who 573 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 4: have a lot more money than you. 574 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: Also, I'm thankful for Caleb Hammer. Familiar with him. 575 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: Great, I've liked him for so long. 576 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, he does a YouTube show is very popular called 577 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 3: Financial Audit. 578 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: He is the Dave Ramsey of our generation, and lord, 579 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: do we need one or not? Urginaries. I guess he's 580 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: younger than I. 581 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 4: A generation or two under us Mary Kathy, but that's okay. 582 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,479 Speaker 1: But he is I'm between Ramsey and Hammer. 583 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 3: But he is inevitably finding people who live like this, 584 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 3: who frankly do a lot of fraud for their benefits, 585 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 3: and as a result he has become because he's just 586 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 3: a financial responsibility guy sort of write coded and he 587 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 3: pushes back on that he's just like, I'm trying to 588 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: help these people. But I do think our willingness to 589 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 3: say in public that living like this is not the 590 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 3: expectation that twenty. 591 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: Something should have. 592 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 2: It's just not normal. 593 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 3: No, it's and it's not responsible, right, and it cannot 594 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 3: go on in perpetuity, particularly if I'm paying your bills exactly. 595 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, no more of this, No more Uber East guys. 596 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 4: Chill out, y'all. 597 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us on normally. 598 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 4: Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere 599 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 4: you get your podcasts. 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