1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Everybody, welcome back to Are You a Charlotte? 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: We are here with the amazing and so brilliant Cindy Shoepack, 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: our writer and producer of Sex and the City, to 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: discuss part two of Evolution nineteen ninety nine. Okay, let's 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: talk about the others. Okay. This is when I also 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: feel and I felt this way also the last episode, 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: which is when we're getting pedicures talking about the classes, 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: class and cast system. I feel like our group scenes 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: are like really coming together now kind of for the 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: first time in a way like they've been kind together. 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: Like you remember when we shot it at a restaurant, 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: we had the pepper Mill. That was one first season 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: where I'm like, oh, that's working. Like you know, the 15 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: group scenes were so challenging to write and they had 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: to really like we would work on those things all 17 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: day long and we had to run those lines and run. 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: Those lines, and then the film the scene over and over. 19 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: Now, yes, and the timing of any but. 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: Those are my favorite scenes, are they really? I mean 21 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 2: I love the scenes of you guys all together and 22 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 2: just you know, breaking down. Well, I love a lot 23 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: about the series, but those were like so fun for me. 24 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: They seemed really fun to write and to watch because 25 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: in a way, when I wrote those essays about dating, 26 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: like for Glamour, they would want you to end on 27 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: some kind of revelation about some advice. And what was 28 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 2: fun about writing the four of You is you could 29 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: just dissect an issue and you could all four have 30 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: different perspectives and nobody was right and nobody was really wrong, 31 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: and so it was like commiserating and that's my favorite 32 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: thing toct and do. So those scenes were just fine 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: to like. And sometimes I would be surprising what like 34 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: you would think Charlie would think about this and what 35 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: she did think of. 36 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, everyone surprises almost all the time, which I 37 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: think is great and that's the joy, you know, that's 38 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: the joy, And that's also you're right, It is a 39 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: unique unique to the show that there'd be four characters 40 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: with distinct viewpoints that are friends and that can freely 41 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: that it's like they have an agreement. Yes, we're just 42 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: going to really discuss it all and not say that 43 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: there isn't judgment. There is occasionally judgment or like no 44 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: don't do that, you know, then people just go ahead 45 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: and do it, and we're still there for each other. 46 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: It's not like we're going to be like, well I 47 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: didn't agree with that. 48 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, I told you that. 49 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: Ye right, no, thank god, thank god, thank god. But yeah, 50 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: it's interesting to think back on it, you know, the 51 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: things that made it unique. It's interesting. And in this 52 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: particular scene we talk about fertility, which is fun, and 53 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: I say, I have a tilted uterush and Miranda tells 54 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: us about her her lazy ovary, which I don't even 55 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: know if they use that term anymore. It's kind of interesting. 56 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: Do you think. 57 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: I think they might, but I don't know for sure. 58 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: I don't know either. It seems not very scientific. 59 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: That's why that started on the cologists table, this episode 60 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: with them, which was so. 61 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: Great because Pam Thomas, again the director, is so visual 62 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: and she's just got a shot above of Cynthia because 63 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: it's so awkward. We've all been to and you're going 64 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: to see Charlotte at the gun Collegist. But Pam just 65 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: had such a creative way of filming. 66 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like how Cynthia is just looking up and 67 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: talking to the person who's like inside exactly and then 68 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 2: taking them and having to describe she's not on birth 69 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: control because her relationship ended, Like you get too much anyway, 70 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: it's so a lot I love about how. 71 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: Relatable, so relatable and so great. So then we talk 72 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: about so this is when Carrie wants to leave things 73 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: at bigs. People talk to me about this, which I 74 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: find really interesting. 75 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: I thought it was who Christy Brinkley, Oh, Christy Brinkley, 76 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: thought that was Carrie pushing the shed. I saw that 77 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: clip on tik talk and it was interesting to me. 78 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: Can I tell you that I kind of wanted to 79 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: push back a little, but I love Christy and I 80 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: respect Christy, and I didn't want to because she was 81 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: talking about her daughters and watching with her daughters. I 82 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: just felt like it was a little delicate to push back. 83 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: But I kind of wanted to say, like, you know, 84 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: Carrie puts up with a lot, like way more than 85 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: Big puts up with. 86 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: Not air dryer. 87 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: Is that so bad? 88 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 89 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: I don't think so, you know, but I didn't want 90 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: I didn't want to because I felt like I'm always 91 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: so appreciative when people come on and talk about their. 92 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: Own and I love hearing the different perspectives, and I 93 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: thought that was interesting to think of it that way 94 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: when I just felt like she was so gingerly trying 95 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: to like leave with something I know. But yeah, it's 96 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: interesting that like she was pushing. Maybe Christy knew more 97 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: than we did that it. 98 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: Was not everybody knows their own experience, I guess, but 99 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: like for me, I'm like Harrie's like bending her whole 100 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: self around who that man wants her to be or 101 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: trying you know, yeah, with middling success, and she holds 102 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: so much in that I feel like when she does 103 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: finally speak, sometimes it does come out, you know, with 104 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: a lot of drama or whatever, because she's been shoving 105 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: it down, shoving it down, shoving it down, and not 106 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: really free like he he is, so you know, obviously 107 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: doesn't want her to be doing the things she wants 108 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: to do. Like at one point, doesn't she say something 109 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: to him like, you know, like people in a relationship, 110 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: do you know what do you think people should be doing? 111 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: Like don't you think this is normal? And he goes, no, 112 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: I think we're doing exactly what people. You know, I'm. 113 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: Totally happy with what we're doing. Because he is happy yeah, 114 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 2: and he wants that situation. Actually two apartments, we can 115 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: be together. She wanted to be together, but she. 116 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: Feels like she needs to look good in the morning, 117 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: and yeah for him. Also, you don't even trying to say, like, 118 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, she's trying to look amazing for him. And 119 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: so she wants her little baby, tiny hair dryer that 120 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: I've literally never seen this tinier hair dryer in my life. 121 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: She wants to leave it at his house. Like, I 122 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: just think he's so mean sometimes, you know. 123 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: Obviously I guess I could see I like that because 124 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: I felt like I could see both sides definitely, But 125 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: I mean it did. When he comes back with her stuff, 126 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 2: like you left this stuff at my house, it just 127 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: looks really sad Teflon For relationships, they were really fun 128 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: to watch in that though. 129 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: I think, I mean they are because it does have 130 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: we're at the point now, luckily, because the first reason 131 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: I was like, biggest, awful, biggest horrible, what the heck? 132 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: Because I never looked at it ever objectively, you know, 133 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: first of all was in it. I would just read 134 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: the script with excitement every time. Of course, I loved 135 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: Big because I was Charlotte and Charlotte loved Big, like 136 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: it wouldn't occur to me to peel away that level 137 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: and think about, well, how does Kristin feel about Big? 138 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: I never asked that question. Who cares right doesn't matter. 139 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: But also I also feel in the nineties where we 140 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: were in New York, especially if you were dating a 141 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: guy like that, you expected him to be withholding. Yeah, 142 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: that was normal. 143 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,559 Speaker 2: I mean, I think I didn't have the self esteem 144 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: to be very objective about any of this. Of course 145 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: she tried it right too, But I think as a writer, 146 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: I have to like love all the characters anyway, like 147 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: I have to see what's lovable and see what's right 148 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 2: about their perspective. And so I kind of felt that way, 149 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: I guess all along, like I wasn't being objective about 150 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: it was hard to be objective about Lizzie treating or badly, 151 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: or issue stepping or anything. I kind of get it all, 152 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: you know, exactly. 153 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: And you're just trying to be real and relatable and 154 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: the tell the truth of the stories as you are 155 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: experiencing them. It's a really good point. It's not our 156 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: job to be objective. I mean, it's interesting now because 157 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: now all these many years later, obviously we're looking back 158 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: at what we created, but also now there's social media 159 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: where everyone's putting their thing. 160 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: Thank good we didn't have that. Good I am going 161 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: to say, thank god we did not have that. I mean, 162 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: I often think I'm glad that communication was what it 163 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: was then because like I still find like writing into scripts, 164 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: texting and everything that's going on now just like not 165 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: as fun as just people talking about it. And yes, 166 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: in real life they wouldn't necessarily go over there or 167 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: call each other, but it was just fun not to 168 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: have that option for us. 169 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: I agree. 170 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: And then same about the instant feedback, Like I think 171 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: even when I worked on Modern Family, like we they 172 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: would like watch the tweets and while the show was 173 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: airing and see if people were laughing at lines, and 174 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,559 Speaker 2: it was It's just it was nice to be trying 175 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: to I mean, I remember Michael saying, like we're doing 176 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: maybe Jenny told me. I think Michael that we're making 177 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: the show like the network doesn't have a lot of 178 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: input other than like make it deeper, make it more complicated. 179 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: Same with you guys, like those questions like I think 180 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: maybe my character did that, But he was like, we're 181 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: making the show that we would enjoy watching, and that 182 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: was really what we were doing and hoping that that 183 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: was something other people would enjoy watching too. But it 184 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: was kind of like, not based on what we thought 185 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: everybody wanted to hear. 186 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: It's pure, it's pure, and that was the joy of 187 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: it because we at the time the model was network TV, 188 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: where they were trying to please advertisers, right, and everything 189 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: was advertiser based, which was why they couldn't kind of 190 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: push the envelope in different ways. Yeah, which was then 191 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: the birth of HBO as we then came to know 192 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: it obviously that they could do whatever they wanted. They 193 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: were subscription based. Now we're in this whole other world 194 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: of streaming everything being available all the time at once 195 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: and then everyone looking at literally what everyone says, yeah, 196 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: and clickbait being in yeah, which is yeah, I mean all, 197 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: it's all very different. Okay, let's talk about just Butterman, right. 198 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: So here we are, Charlotte is on a date, but 199 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: she doesn't know she's on a date. She's wearing her glasses, 200 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: which is funny. They go to see a Broadway show 201 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: and they discuss Betty Buckley she has, which fully made 202 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: me laugh. And I loved it. And she's with a 203 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: very handsome guy. He's played by Dan Futterman. His name 204 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: is Stephan or Stephan, Yes, Stefan am I saying it right? Good? 205 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: And then we were walking and talking and you know, 206 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: Charlotte seems oddly relaxed. She's not on her normal date 207 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: vibe right, Yeah, but yet it's a beautiful night. You know, 208 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: it looks great, he looks great. 209 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 2: Whatever. 210 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: She's talking about the show. And then they get to 211 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: the cab and then he grabs her and kisses her 212 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: and she gets in the cabin. She's just staring at 213 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: him like what the glass? 214 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: I touched my glasses right, which is really funny. That's 215 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: the beginning to see you though, like see Charlotte. Yeah, 216 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: how we wouldn't have really thought about how she's different 217 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: with a guy she doesn't think she's on a date 218 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: with because we've mostly only seen you on dates, so 219 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: we're either with the girlfriends or on date. But you 220 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: were kind of like, yeah, like you'd be with girlfriends. Yeah, 221 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: it's so nice. It was a nice little lesson, I 222 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: mean reminder that like maybe we should just be that way. 223 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: One So then we go to lunch, No sorry, I 224 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: read a bar at a bar with the ladies, and 225 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: I'm telling them that I'm confused about this guy. Is 226 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: he gay? Is he straight? And they we have a 227 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: conversation where we talk about gay straight A straight gay man. Yeah, 228 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: it's a new term of heterosexual males spawned in Manhattan 229 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: as the result of overexposure to fashion, exotic cuisine, and 230 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: musical theater and antique. 231 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 2: Furniture, every stereotype. Anyway, can we talk about Miranda's So Miranda, Well, 232 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 2: first of all, I love yes, I love Charlotte in 233 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: this whole thing, and like that was a sexy love 234 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: scene that you and Dan Fetterman did. 235 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: Thank you, Like it was like a really beautiful Thomas 236 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: really really planned it out. And I think that's my 237 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: first sex scene ever. That's like a beautiful sex scene. 238 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: I think there were little hits, like there's that one 239 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: time in the first season where I'm trying to get 240 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: this duded and job and they wanted me to do 241 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: it over the sheets, and I had to hide in 242 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: my trailer and my dressing room and like wait, like 243 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: call Dave in La, my manager, and say, like help me. 244 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: They want me to do something over the sheees that's 245 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: like soick and cringe to use the word. And then 246 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: I put it under the sheets. But like that was 247 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: like a joke, you know what I'm saying. 248 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: That's the thing, Like most of our sex scenes were 249 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: for comedy, right, and weren't I heard you talking to 250 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: some guest about the male gaze. It wasn't because it 251 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: wasn't royalistic. Really, it was usually a story point of 252 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: some sort and we didn't really linger on it, right. 253 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 2: And that story point though in this one, was that 254 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: like she wasn't sure about him and what and then 255 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: it's this great sex, really intimate, beautiful right sex, So 256 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 2: that was important there. 257 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: And it was super important, so beautifully done. And she 258 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: had come to me early because I hadn't really done 259 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: the sex scenes, right, yeah, And I hadn't showed any body, 260 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: and I don't feel like there was a ton of body. 261 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: But she had a whole plan about the camera being 262 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: over us on a track and I remember it all, 263 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: and of course Betterman made me feel so much better 264 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: because I was super nervous just about my body and 265 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: whatever and everyone it made it. It was so easy 266 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: because he's such a good actor and Cam had such 267 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: a specific plan and was so calm about it. So 268 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: even without intimacy coordinators, which we do discuss all the 269 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: time that we didn't have them, it was so comfortable 270 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: as much as they can be. 271 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a good director director, like just making you 272 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: know what you were up to. 273 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: And also I think because she'd come from commercials, I 274 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: think was the thing I remember, so she was so visual, 275 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: but yet she shared that with us. 276 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she brought it in like simple, like other 277 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 2: screen grabs of other things that were she was using 278 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: his references like there's one time where she goes from 279 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: your bed I think too, Samantha's bed over the shit. 280 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: She was super smart that there's some beautiful there's some 281 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 2: beautiful directing. 282 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: And also that's what we needed to get everything started 283 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: to be tied in and as it goes that you 284 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: can see that developing episode by episode, right, And she 285 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: did a beautiful job. I at the time was like, wait, 286 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: are those my likes? No, those are those are kidists. 287 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: They're very beautiful here, but like so so beautifully beautifully done. 288 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: So wait, wait, let's go back to the thing at 289 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: the bar. This is when Carrie holds up the tiny 290 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: fendy bag. People talk a lot about the Fendy bag 291 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: it's and how you know what a great partnership that 292 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: turned out to be? Yes, and Sarah Jessica said, you know, 293 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: it's literally just because that's who would send her some bags. 294 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: Well, now that she didn't love I'm sorry about that 295 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: because I you know, I grew up in Oklahoma. I 296 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: had no fashion sense, still probably don't have the greatest. 297 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: But I learned so much on the show. But when 298 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 2: I wrote that episode, which was only the second episode 299 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: I ever wrote, I think I wrote in it was 300 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: like her little coach bag or something, and I remember 301 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: pat Field was like, don't just leave it to us. 302 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: I needed to made a small vision of like the hierarchy. 303 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: Can I tell you that that continued until the end 304 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: of it, just like that. The girls would write something 305 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: in and Molly would be like, no, no, yeah, it's 306 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: so cute and funny though, but I mean, how could 307 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: you know? 308 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, But that was the perfect back because the point 309 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: was like she didn't have to carry a big bag. 310 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: It was his leads. 311 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: Fantastic and it was also so cute and it's so 312 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: sweet that like she's trying to you know, it's so 313 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: cute that she wants to leave the things. Okay, So 314 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: then we're there wait at Carrie's apartment. It comes over 315 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: for drinks. The girls wait and returns, oh, yeah, that's horrible. 316 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: When he brings that bag back, I've skipped ahead somehow, 317 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: but they talk about yeah, to talk about it, and 318 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: then she said she meant to leave it. And then 319 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: and then she asked, oh, this is the thing that 320 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: I was saying earlier she has about the ideal living 321 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: situation for their relationship, and he responds, exactly what we have. 322 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: And then he is this. He has his place, she 323 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: has her place. They see each other when they want, 324 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: and then they get to be alone they when they want. 325 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: And I just love sir Jessica's acting so much because 326 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: whenever he does do these things, you could just see 327 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: so many things going through her mind and her heart. 328 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. And she doesn't say then 329 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: say like just sucks, and he's so right. But also 330 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: that voiceover, I still I stand by that voiceover afterward 331 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: when she says, ever since men heard about Woody Ellen 332 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: waving across the park to Mia Pharaoh. 333 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: He goes, so we're like Woody and I remember before Sunny, 334 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: I remember this like it was yesterday. Do you remember 335 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: that whole article where you were just like what it 336 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: must have been Fanny Fair. You're just like, what would 337 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: they do? What? And she can only wear a beige? 338 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: Like what? And I think we talked about it every day, 339 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: were like But also I. 340 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: Still think that fantasy of like living sort of separately 341 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: but you know, having your own space but being able 342 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: to be together. 343 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: It's great. It's just not a great example because it 344 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: really didn't go well, yeah, well they really didn't go 345 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: it's right. 346 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: So it's very fascinating. 347 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: But I think it's a lot like the sleep marriage situation. 348 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: It's a little bit like that. That's the current today 349 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: version where you're married but you're not sleeping in the 350 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: bed together. And some people think that's amazing, and some 351 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: people think that's. 352 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: Someone who told me, like she realized when she had 353 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: a king sized bed with her first husband that she 354 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: should never have that big a bed and she should 355 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: have a queen size bed. They should be that close. 356 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: Well, and I was like, what, Well, listen, Charlotte and 357 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: Harry have a tiny bed. And people commented on it 358 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: on the on the on the stuff, and it is 359 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: something where every day Evan and I would be like, 360 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: why is there a bed so such a good relationship. 361 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 3: I guess so Vita bed that they love is the gist, 362 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: because we did actually have to ask like why because 363 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 3: sometimes it would be awkward to film in it because 364 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 3: it was so small, do you know what I mean? 365 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: So maybe it's because they have such a good marriage 366 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: that they can Maybe that's why they have such a marriage. 367 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, but it is interesting to me because 368 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: I would definitely be like bigger bed, possibly sleeping in 369 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: a different room. But I'm not married, so I don't 370 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: have to worry about that. Okay, so we're back. Oh, 371 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: let's go back to the Samantha. So Samantha's whole plan 372 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: is that she's going to lure this her version of 373 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: mister Bigg whose name dominic back. She wears the stunning 374 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: dress to go out with him. She tells Carrie she's 375 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: not gonna have sex with him, right, She's gonna make 376 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: him want to have sex with her, and she's going 377 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: to be like, bye, I'm going to do to you 378 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: what you did to me. But it doesn't go that 379 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: way because she just enjoys him too much, and he 380 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: keeps telling her how beautiful she is and how incredible 381 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: she is, and that she's more beautiful than he remembered, 382 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: and you know, so many things. He's very smooth. Meanwhile, 383 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: I go back on another date with Stefan and he 384 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: is now using Martha Stewart recipe. So we bond over that, 385 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: which is so cute but also confusing. So Chelle is 386 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: between like, this is amazing. Oh, I'm a little confused. 387 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: This is amazing. Oh I'm a little confused, which of course. 388 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: Is then hey gives you this amazing but then he 389 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: like stands back and looks at you, and it's like exactly. 390 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: And I still have that dress in my closet. It's 391 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: a great dress. I don't know if I can still 392 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: wear it, but it's a great dress. I should probably 393 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: give it to my daughter, but yeah, it's hanging in 394 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: my closet. I just thought it today and. 395 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, that's a kitchen where 396 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: you guys, do you remember that was the same I 397 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 2: can't remember who Samantha Richard and she was dating Richard. 398 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: It's the same apartment. 399 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: Remember that, So f mega fans, if you like, when 400 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: they had that amazing apartment of Richards, that had the 401 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: stairs that came down the kitchen. There was this kitchen 402 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 2: that we used for funerment. That apartment was amazing. 403 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is amazing, because that apartment was amazing. 404 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah you remember that. 405 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: Thank you, Cindy for connecting those dots. I love it. Okay. 406 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: Then we go to the dessert bar. We're stepping is 407 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: the pastry show, and I take Carry and Stanford to 408 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: get their help with deciding if he is straight or gay, 409 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: which is kind of entertaining, and everyone loves him basically, 410 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: and he notices Carrie's hair and again it's the moment 411 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: of like huh oh oh, yeah, it's all very interesting 412 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: and we've all been there. Then oh, this is so sad. 413 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: Miranda state, Oh, it's so good. It's so so funny. 414 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: And I remember noticing how Cynthia would kind of serve 415 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 2: up so that he could just knock her down, like 416 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 2: the way if you watch that scene, the way she 417 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: says like she's excited to have this conversation about freezing 418 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 2: your eggs. Oh good, someone I can like debate with. 419 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 2: And then he just like I said that man, and 420 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 2: but she yeah, it was interesting. 421 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: I think you're incredible, but you're so good to just. 422 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: Sort of make the other actor better even absolutely. 423 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: And and and also just to understand the like she 424 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: ploys it all so close to the best, yet it's 425 00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: also present. 426 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean? 427 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, so many times when 428 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: I'm watching her and the guy that she's acting with 429 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: is Harry O'Reilly, So I feel like I know from 430 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: something else, Butry, I forgot to ask you, Hannah, what 431 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: Harry O'Reilly? 432 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: And he starts just like staring at his hand and 433 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 2: he's so random judgmental about this guy with hair plugs 434 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: who she had eliminated before her lazy every consider Like, 435 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 2: I just always was wrestling with that maybe still like 436 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 2: just like what you're too good for and what like 437 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 2: maybe you're not even good enough for. 438 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: I. 439 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: I still don't know. 440 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: I don't know either. I do know that people did. 441 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: There was this post that has done really well on 442 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: my social media that I reposted Evan, which was kind 443 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: of interesting. Everyone was doing some press for the show 444 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: and someone said to him something about he said, you know, 445 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: women come up to me all the time and say 446 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm still looking for my hairy and he says to them, 447 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: because he's Evan and he doesn't care about anything. He 448 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: says to them, how many Harry's have you pushed away? 449 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 3: Oh? 450 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 2: Good for Evan and bad for us? It's probably true. 451 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: Oh my god, it is probably true, I think. And 452 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: Evan's so great looking anyway, But remember when you met him, 453 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 2: there's like the really handsome lawyer and then there's Evan. 454 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: They were both handsome in their own way. But I 455 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: remember Evan saying because his stand in who is the 456 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 2: person they like and it's standing was not good looking. 457 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 2: Its just bald. Sorry if you're listening. But Evone's like, 458 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: it's kind of like when you get set up on 459 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: a blind day and you go, is that how you 460 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: see me? Like? Evan was like, oh my god. I 461 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: remember him saying something about it, like, okaywhere is the hero? Everybody? 462 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: He's put up with so much, but he is the 463 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: last man standing, which I'm really happy about. Love he 464 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: deserves it. But he did put up with so much. 465 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: Remember when we made that put the hair on his back, 466 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: My god, didn't have any hair or Evan had to 467 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: go through that. Oh my god, back back to the 468 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: olden days. We're back. Evan hasn't come yet. Harry has 469 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: not arrived, so then we go, this is the really, 470 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: this is when we were in bed and he puts 471 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: on Share. Do you remember that we had to go 472 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: to a Share concert to get permission? 473 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: It was we all went right, and she came and 474 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 2: like talked to us before the show, and I touched 475 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: her and she was so fradulent like viking like a 476 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 2: head peek, which on the stage looks in person it's. 477 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: Kind of like, wow, Wow, I can't believe you have 478 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: to wear this. She was so sweet. 479 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: Open for something. Oh my god. Yeah, whoever it was. 480 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 2: We were having like dinner and Share was talking to 481 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: us while Cindy was on I think right. 482 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: I do remember at Madison Square Garden. It was incredible. 483 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: It was when she had this song that we get 484 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: to use in the show. Wait if you believe in okay, 485 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: I mean it's an old song. 486 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 2: Now we would have been happening to go to the 487 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: concert anyway, but yeah, there was some connection where we 488 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 2: I think we had to get her steal of a 489 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 2: preval which is totally. 490 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: Fine because we got to meet a Share, which is 491 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: incredible on it because I grew up watching the Sonny 492 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: and Share the show and I don't care if I'm. 493 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 2: Doing those experiences like okay, we I can't believe this 494 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: is my life insane, absolutely, And I love that song 495 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: so much and when it ever comes on the radio, 496 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: I'm so happy, so happy because it reminds me of 497 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: butter Man, reminds me of Share, it reminds me of us. 498 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: It's a great thing. So we're there. I try to 499 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: ask poor characters Stefan if he's been with a man. 500 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: He asked me if I've been with a woman, which 501 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: is a fair question. Charlotte doesn't answer, which makes me 502 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: wonder had Charlotte been with a woman? And we don't know. 503 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: I think the answer is no, because I don't do 504 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: that threesome. 505 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: I think Charlotte to me, it was like she's just like, 506 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 2: you're right, that will no just she realizes that this question, like, 507 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: of course he wouldn't ask me that, and why am 508 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: I asking him that? Maybe it's okay, but except for today, 509 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: maybe he would. 510 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: It also is like a weird it's a weird. It's 511 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: a weird. 512 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: It's a weird thing about exactly. 513 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: It's very strength. But you know, she's concerned. 514 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: I don't know she's she's what she's been at least. 515 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: It's honest, right to ask him honestly. But then she 516 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: dodges when he asks her, which is kind of funny. 517 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: And then he does say the very funny thing about 518 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: how he lives in Chelsea's a picture chip. He'd be 519 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: gay if he was gay, which you know, yes, more 520 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: power to you. And then and then I'm relieved. And 521 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: then we have beautiful sex, which is great, and everything 522 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: goes great. We're just going to skip to the mouse. 523 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: Everything goes great. The next morning, he wants to make 524 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: her some tea, and then a red start squealing. 525 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, where's that noise? 526 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm like, its like a squealing. He's like, oh, yes, 527 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: over there, raft there's a whole thing. There's literally supposed 528 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: to be a little mouse stuck in the glue trap 529 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: in his kitchen. How New York is terrifying. 530 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 2: I don't think it was stuck in the I can't 531 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 2: remember how we did that, but it was a real Okay. 532 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: We cannot have put a real mouse on the trap. 533 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: I would not have been okay with that. It's horrifying. 534 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: I want you to let people put glue traps at 535 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: my house, even when I hide mice at my old house. 536 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: I was like, no, that's mean and horrible. 537 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: Tried it at once and then it was like the 538 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 2: telltale heart because this mouse was not dead but had 539 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 2: one leg and it was like dragging around it blue 540 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 2: and I was hearing the glue trap. It was awful 541 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: and I'm so awful it was, and I'm sorry I 542 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: never did it again. 543 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: No, I know it's a terrible, terrible thing. 544 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 2: But then Danny, I'm just walking around with, oh my god. 545 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: Oh my god, my god. I hope he made it. 546 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 2: I hope he made it. 547 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: So I didn't kill I'm glad you can't kill it. 548 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: So Danny Futterman's character Steven, jumps up on a chair 549 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: and squeals, and then there's a funny voice over that 550 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: it basically says, oh, he didn't write it in her, 551 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: But it basically says, you know that Charlotte is not 552 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: doesn't her developed her mask and side has not developed 553 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: enough for her to be with someone who's FEMINSI is 554 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: so developed. And that's great, you know what I'm saying, 555 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: because that that's a real thing. Yeah, and you kind 556 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: of have to find the right fit, you know, at 557 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: least Charlotte knows this about herself. 558 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 2: You know, it's fine. I mean, it was fun to 559 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: be on the step. 560 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: For all of this. It's always fun to be on 561 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: a step. Okay, wait, here's the trivia. When Charlotte is 562 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: hailing a cab with Stephan and says, you you got 563 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: to show a little leg. This isn't the first. Oh, 564 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: this is a through line. Carrie does this in Morocco, 565 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 1: do you remember. But the funniest thing is I so 566 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: don't show any leg Yeah, because you know how I 567 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: feel about my legs. I don't know if you know, 568 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm not fond of my legs. So I'm 569 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: sure I was like, I want to show my legs 570 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: or like I do some like pose Like I'm like, 571 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: this is the pose you make? And then it works, 572 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: which is hysterical because who wouldn't stop for Danny Futterman, 573 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it is true that 574 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: this is a through line. I have to say my 575 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: other thing that I'm so amazed by. Every time I 576 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: watched the old episodes, we say and just like that, 577 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: every single episode in this episode we said it. It's 578 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: like I. 579 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 2: Couldn't help but wonder there were certainly realized we were 580 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: using I didn't either. 581 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: I did either. I mean I did know the I 582 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: didn't help, but wonder but more so because has once 583 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: ever social media started, they would always it was it's 584 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: such a great to be off boy, But I didn't 585 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: realize THEE and just like that. Yeah, I mean, we 586 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: use it all the time. It's Netty, it's Ntty, Cindy. Yes, 587 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: are you a Charlotte? 588 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,959 Speaker 2: Okay, I think maybe right now, for the first one 589 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 2: in my life, I'm not wow, which is so good. 590 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 2: I always had this like romantic optimism, and I'm just 591 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: feeling like, ugh, I don't know. I'm a little bit 592 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 2: more Miranda right now than usual, but I usually feel 593 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: like I've got a little of all of them. Okay, 594 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 2: then I think going to say optimism and hope and Okay, 595 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be I'm gonna be Charlotte again. But anyway, 596 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: I think Charlotte. 597 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: Is a good with you. It's hard to remain Charlotte 598 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: for your whole life. Yes, I think in some ways 599 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: that's an unrealistic expectation, even for myself and I play her, 600 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. 601 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 2: I think they're all aspects like I always thought, start 602 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: out like Charlotte. Then I get into the relationship, I 603 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: kind of get in my own way a little bit Miranda, 604 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 2: Like then I'm kind of carrying for analyzing it, like 605 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: I think Carrie is the whole everything, and then you're 606 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 2: kind of Samantha like get totally well put I go 607 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 2: back to Charlotte again, and it's like, I mean, I. 608 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: Think Charlotte is your core, you know what I mean? 609 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: And I think that when I know for myself, when 610 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: I get down, it's because Charlotte is my core. Yeah, right, 611 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: because like if you look at Miranda, I mean, and 612 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: Miranda does like she's kind of a little down in 613 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: this episode, right yeah, but she also sometimes she just 614 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: like gets strength from her pragmatism, you know what I'm saying. 615 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: She's just like I see it like it is, and 616 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: I call it like it is and no, no, no, no no. 617 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: But then like when Steve breaks up with her, which 618 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: was the one right before, you know, she's so gutted, 619 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: Like it's just so sweet. But all the characters are 620 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: so beautifully beautifully drawn, and at anyway, I'm proud to 621 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: be a Charlotte, A core. Charlotte excellent I think core 622 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: Charlotte is good. I mean, that's how I think of 623 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: myself too. I am Charlotte with some Carrie, because that's why. 624 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: Also I enjoyed the podcast because I can look at 625 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: the themes of the relationships stuff and talk to other 626 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: people like you have about them. It's fun. It's very 627 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: carry asked, really, you know. And Carrie did have a 628 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: podcast for a minute there, but not like mine. She's 629 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: in charge, you know what I mean, trying to be 630 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: in charge of your podcast. I enjoy that. But I 631 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: think it's so interesting. Thank you for being here. And 632 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: you have to come back because you write so many 633 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: of the absolutely iconic episodes, and I love to hear 634 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: your memories because you have different memories than I have, 635 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And to pull them together 636 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: is fun. 637 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 2: And I say, in case I don't come back, you 638 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: getting married to Trey when you've just found out he 639 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: can't get it up with the veil. I think I 640 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: wrote that line like Carrie tells you, like maybe he 641 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: like Master Wade before he came home, right, and then 642 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 2: what I know, like you're in your veil and and 643 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 2: you go. I think the stage direction was hopeful and 644 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: you go. Maybe he did jerk off. 645 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: Your veil And then do you remember shooting that? And 646 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: that Betty Ann are A d laughed out loud, she 647 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: was up on a ladder behind me, laughed out out 648 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: loud and ruined to take. I was so mad because 649 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: that's hard to do that, you know what I mean, Like, 650 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: it's a very delicate thank you and thank god I 651 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: could do it again, because you're always leaving scared, like, 652 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: can I do it again? I don't know, But if 653 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: you make the ad laugh on a ladder, then you 654 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: know it's working. But then you also ruined to take, 655 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But that's what I remember. 656 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: I remember just wanting to thread that needle so precisely, 657 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, thank you. That was as a That's a 658 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: big episode in my mind as well, in terms of 659 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: just the glory of her getting what she thinks she 660 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: wants and then obviously later on we find out it's 661 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: not what she wants. But what a great, great character arc, 662 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, thank you for having thank you for being here, 663 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: and you must come back. There's too many that you 664 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: wrote now to come back. I mean, yeah, we'll just 665 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: plan it out. I don't want to overstay my welcome, 666 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: but please come back. 667 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: Okay,