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Speaker 1: Josh Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant. You're getting comfy. Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: People have never heard this from like, what are they
Speaker 1: talking about? They've already turned off. We name our chairs people?
Speaker 1: Then everyone he named cars, boats, and chairs. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: surprising amount of people named chairs. If you don't, you
Speaker 1: should be paranoid because people are talking about you. It's right,
Speaker 1: um Chuck, Yes, have you ever oscentated? I have. I've
Speaker 1: even uh pendiculated? Do you pendiculated before? I pendiculate every morning?
Speaker 1: You know what we we sound like? Um? People running
Speaker 1: for the Senate in nineteen fifties Florida. Yeah, there's like.
Speaker 1: Florida has a rich history of um like people running
Speaker 1: for political office using technical terms for things that sound
Speaker 1: way worse than they are to like smear their opponents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's this one guy who went and I can thank
Speaker 1: Uncle John and his bathroom readers um who went after
Speaker 1: his opponent and said that his sister was a thespian
Speaker 1: in New York and like all these people are like
Speaker 1: boo boo, and apparently like the smear campaign was successful.
Speaker 1: That wasn't the only one, but this guy used that
Speaker 1: couple of couple of technical terms. We should probably tell
Speaker 1: people what we're talking about, right, because you said you
Speaker 1: pendiculate every morning easily every morning, and that is a
Speaker 1: what that is a yawn and a stretch combined together,
Speaker 1: and as one of my favorite things to do in
Speaker 1: the morning, it is Did you did you see that
Speaker 1: painting of the It was a self portrait, the artist's
Speaker 1: self portrait. It sounded like it was from like the
Speaker 1: six or seventeenth century of him pendiculating. It's just as
Speaker 1: awesome oil painting of this, you know, Renaissance man stretching
Speaker 1: and yawning. Yeah. I love it because it feels good
Speaker 1: and it uh, it ties me to my pets, you know,
Speaker 1: because like I see them do it, they see me
Speaker 1: do it, and I'm kind of like, hey, we all eat,
Speaker 1: we all pee and poop, and we all pendiculate. My
Speaker 1: little cattle stretching yawn. My dogs will stretching yawn, and
Speaker 1: I will stretching you. So do you guys make one
Speaker 1: another stretching you on? You know, I'm gonna start looking
Speaker 1: out for that because I have not noticed that. But
Speaker 1: apparently yawning can be contagious to animals, right, Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a fun little game you can dogs, dogs, supposedly chimps
Speaker 1: for sure, but probably not cats. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just because it's not in here, it doesn't mean it's
Speaker 1: not true. Um, there's a fun little game you can
Speaker 1: play the next time you're hanging out with people if
Speaker 1: you feel like manipulating them biological level. Um, just yawn
Speaker 1: and just start paying attention to how many people yawn
Speaker 1: as a result, and it should start some sort of
Speaker 1: chain reaction among maybe of the people, because that's the
Speaker 1: that's the statistic of how many human adults yawn in
Speaker 1: reaction to seeing somebody on seeing video of somebody yawn,
Speaker 1: hearing about somebody yawning, reading about yawning, Like, how many
Speaker 1: times did you yawn while you read this article? A bunch,
Speaker 1: and people will probably yawn while listening to this. Supposedly
Speaker 1: it's pretty much impossible not to. Yeah, do you ever?
Speaker 1: Just just really shows how deeply disturbed I am. I
Speaker 1: will not I will suppress or cover up a yawn
Speaker 1: if someone else has made me on sometimes just so
Speaker 1: I don't give them the satisfaction. Oh yeah, I've done
Speaker 1: that before. Sometimes he was like, no, I'm not like
Speaker 1: just some stranger on elevator. They'll yawn and I'll just
Speaker 1: be like, Nope, not me, buddy, one of those people
Speaker 1: who don't realize that, like they're they're just your mortal
Speaker 1: and me for no real good reason, when in fact
Speaker 1: they really don't even know exists. They're like some guys
Speaker 1: on the elevator. Right, So yawning is involuntary um, And
Speaker 1: I've seen a range of of weeks that a fetus
Speaker 1: has been observed yawning from eleven to twenty and uh,
Speaker 1: that sort of disproves one of the well many things
Speaker 1: disproves one of the theories, which is that we yawned
Speaker 1: to oxygenate ourselves. Yeah, because a lot of people think
Speaker 1: that fetus is um breathe amniotic fluid in the womb,
Speaker 1: and that is absolutely not true that through the umbilical cord. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're not clearly not yawning to oxygenate themselves, right,
Speaker 1: And we'll debunk that with other things in a minute. Sure, Um,
Speaker 1: but that's still it is a little bit of a
Speaker 1: mystery though, Like, yeah, the other the other ideas for
Speaker 1: why we yawned don't really hold up in the fetus either.
Speaker 1: It feels like that's where the key to the mystery
Speaker 1: of yawning is going to be found in. All right,
Speaker 1: should we go there over some theories and well, hold on, first,
Speaker 1: you were saying it's involuntary. I found this one thing, chuck,
Speaker 1: that there's a type of paralysis like a lesion on
Speaker 1: the brain where you can still if you yawn, you
Speaker 1: still pendiculate. So like your paralyzed arm, if you yawn
Speaker 1: deep enough, will will raise, will rise. Yeah. Wow, pretty weird. Huh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: There's only been a few cases of it over like
Speaker 1: the last hundred and fifty years, but it's been documented
Speaker 1: in a number of different places. Yeah, I'll say that
Speaker 1: is such a surprise. Yeah, seriously, they're like, can I
Speaker 1: be tired more often? Um? So when you yawn, just
Speaker 1: physiologically speaking, you're gonna open your mouth, You're going to
Speaker 1: suck in air into your lungs. I read one place
Speaker 1: that you your eyes usually close. They did this big
Speaker 1: study and found that most time your eyes closed. But
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like all the time. You know
Speaker 1: that's sneezing you're thinking of. No, they did a study
Speaker 1: on on the eyes of the honor. Well, that's part
Speaker 1: of the yawn too, as far as queues go, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not just the mouth opening your eyes quint Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I found like the really good deep yawn, UM,
Speaker 1: my eyes will generally close. So you're gonna flex your
Speaker 1: your abs. It's good workout. It's gonna put your diet
Speaker 1: for RAM down. You're gonna still your lungs with air
Speaker 1: and then exhale, and that is a yawn stretch. You're pendiculating. UM. Also,
Speaker 1: parts of your brain become active, right, UM. Basically what
Speaker 1: happens when all of this, when you go through all
Speaker 1: this process, a bunch of neurotransmitters and dopamine are activated.
Speaker 1: And that is why a guy named Robert Provine thinks, well,
Speaker 1: he says that UM yawns are basically a part of
Speaker 1: a change from one state of arousal to another. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I was asleep, now I'm awake, or I was
Speaker 1: alert now on board, or I was like just ho hum,
Speaker 1: and now I'm like in the mood because there you
Speaker 1: can yawn when you're sexually aroused. Mood, the mood, the mood,
Speaker 1: the Glenn Miller mood. That's that they had to call
Speaker 1: it back then, and that's what we have to call
Speaker 1: it today on this family friendly podcast. Um, what's going
Speaker 1: on to is physiologically speaking, is we are distributing, um,
Speaker 1: something called the surfactant, which sounds gross and it kind
Speaker 1: of is. It's a wedding agent, uh, to cote al
Speaker 1: veoli in the lungs. Um. But are they saying that's
Speaker 1: what happens or that's why it happens, that's what happens. Okay,
Speaker 1: they're not saying the reason is to cote the alboli
Speaker 1: with surfactant, Right, it could be. I mean, for all
Speaker 1: we know, know that we still have no idea of
Speaker 1: what function yawning provides. Same with the the yawning as
Speaker 1: a symbol of arousal or is a sign of arousal,
Speaker 1: They think that it's really just a byproduct of it,
Speaker 1: you know. Okay, but it explains why people who are
Speaker 1: nervous or dogs. I'm sure you've seen dogs who are
Speaker 1: nervous and they yawn in like that really kind of weird,
Speaker 1: unsettling way when they're super worked up. Yeah. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: humans too, you know, like people will yawn when they're nervous.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's a sign that you're in a
Speaker 1: state of arousal. And what that state of arousal is
Speaker 1: depends on the situation. Yeah. They point to Olympians who
Speaker 1: yawned before like a race and um, which Poopoo's one
Speaker 1: theory that we're gonna get to theory. Should we just
Speaker 1: get to the theories, Let's get to the theory. Pop.
Speaker 1: Is that theory though, that you have to be bored
Speaker 1: or you have to be sleepy retired? Yeah, like that.
Speaker 1: There's the boredom theory, and it's kind of been pretty
Speaker 1: fully shot down just by you know, just casual observation.
Speaker 1: There's also the physiological theory, which is that this is
Speaker 1: the one that I've always heard when I was younger,
Speaker 1: like why are you yawn Is because you need to
Speaker 1: your oxygen deprived or you have an abundance of carbon dioxide.
Speaker 1: So you're drawn in a bunch of oxygen and like
Speaker 1: putting out a bunch of carbon dioxide. That's why you're
Speaker 1: yawn and provine or provine that you mentioned. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: tested this one right, Yeah, pretty simply. He just said, okay, well, um,
Speaker 1: let's just give some athletes a bunch of oxygen and
Speaker 1: see if they um, if they breathe, if they yawn
Speaker 1: any less, And they didn't. He also um increased the
Speaker 1: carbon dioxide in the ambient air and people still kept yawning. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that one's gone where they didn't yawn anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you can put that to bed. Yeah. Plus also
Speaker 1: there was a terrible um hy proof associated with that
Speaker 1: hypothesis that that explains why people yawning groups, because when
Speaker 1: you have a big group, more carbon dioxide and less oxygen,
Speaker 1: and that's like you're all fighting over the oxygen, so
Speaker 1: you're they're yawning. Yeah, whoever can yawn the deepest lives?
Speaker 1: That don't sound right. Evolution um could play a part.
Speaker 1: Some people think that maybe we used to yawn. Took
Speaker 1: took with yawn to bare his teeth to intimidate folks
Speaker 1: around him. Um, or that it developed as a signal took.
Speaker 1: Took would give a signal to his mates that hey,
Speaker 1: we gotta we're hunting now and we need to go now.
Speaker 1: Gather would so I will yawn to tell you that
Speaker 1: like pre speech, right, Yeah, like a bird turning off
Speaker 1: the whole flock. Yeah, that makes a little bit of sense.
Speaker 1: But I still don't believe that one. I'm with the
Speaker 1: brain cooling theory that's like the most recent one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it seems to be the one that people are
Speaker 1: subscribing to. Yeah. Scientists generally are leaning toward the fact that, um,
Speaker 1: when our brains are warmer, yawning might cool it down.
Speaker 1: In A cool brain is a more whatever, a better brain.
Speaker 1: I guess I should say I just better for thinking
Speaker 1: I just yawned. Did you okay? I didn't see it. Well,
Speaker 1: I covered my mouth. You might have thought I was purpening.
Speaker 1: I think I did. Um. So, the brain cooling theory,
Speaker 1: that's the one that most people think is lately, that's
Speaker 1: the that's the explanation to your yeah. Um, And there's
Speaker 1: another piece of research that people are going into that
Speaker 1: um is the idea that contagious yawning is the result
Speaker 1: of empathy. Right that you that you empathize. The more
Speaker 1: you empathize with other people, the more susceptible you are
Speaker 1: to contagious yawning. And we said earlier that like I
Speaker 1: think of human adults, um are susceptible to contagious yawning, right,
Speaker 1: which the MythBusters confirmed by the way. Okay, so there
Speaker 1: is some sort of link between what we perceive as
Speaker 1: empathy and the susceptibility to yawning. When you see somebody
Speaker 1: else yawning or reading about yawning or whatever, I wonder
Speaker 1: if it's like a boy, that guy's tired and just
Speaker 1: let me make him feel better. Well, the pro vine again,
Speaker 1: he's like really into yawning research. Um. He he has
Speaker 1: done m r I scans where he shows I guess
Speaker 1: pictures of people yawning or talks about yawning and you
Speaker 1: know they yawned. Um. And when they do, he says
Speaker 1: that mere neurons go off. Right, So are are mere
Speaker 1: neurons are activated when you see somebody else yawned? And
Speaker 1: apparently that triggers then. But people take it a step
Speaker 1: further in this quest to prove that empathy and contagious
Speaker 1: yawning or you know, want work hand in hand and saying, well,
Speaker 1: then people with autism that that they shouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to be susceptible to contagious yawning because they're known to
Speaker 1: have less empathy, right, they have trouble connecting with others
Speaker 1: or um, they have trouble developing what's called the theory
Speaker 1: of mind about other people. Um. And there have been
Speaker 1: a lot of studies about whether or not people who
Speaker 1: are people who have autism are contagious too susceptible the
Speaker 1: contagious yawning, and it's it's it's been proven, not proven,
Speaker 1: but at least the data says that the more, uh,
Speaker 1: the the stronger your autism, the less you will yawn,
Speaker 1: even though uh, they will yawn when someone is pretending
Speaker 1: to yawn. Was that what it was? Yeah? I think
Speaker 1: it said that, Um, when they were watching video of
Speaker 1: people just moving their mouths, then non autistic kids yawned
Speaker 1: more than kids with autism when it was really yawning.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yes, Well, hold on before we
Speaker 1: get to that, um, because this is like a whole
Speaker 1: thing to me, the idea that if you have autism,
Speaker 1: you're not susceptibly continuous yawning. Let's let's first I have
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Speaker 1: believe we were talking about autism and yawning, which is
Speaker 1: I just learned a thing for you. Well, yeah, you
Speaker 1: said that there was. They have found that if you
Speaker 1: have been diagnosed with autism, you're less likely to be
Speaker 1: susceptible and contagious yawning. And they found that the higher
Speaker 1: on the autism spectrum you fall, the less lucky would
Speaker 1: you would even be right, Yeah, which would suggest that
Speaker 1: there is that link because they've tied they there's a
Speaker 1: link between uh, empathy and an autism and empathy and
Speaker 1: contagious yawning. So this autism and studying kids with autism
Speaker 1: is kind of like the fulkrum. So yeah, it just
Speaker 1: seems to me to be kind of um, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't buy all the studies that have
Speaker 1: been carried out. Another studies kind of contradicted, like they
Speaker 1: other studies have shown that like kids with autism focus
Speaker 1: on people's mouths rather than their eyes. So maybe they're
Speaker 1: missing the cue. Member. We said that your eyes scrunched
Speaker 1: to like a yawn is not just people opening their mouths.
Speaker 1: It has all these other facial characteristics that might trigger
Speaker 1: a yawn and another person. So maybe kids with autism
Speaker 1: are simply missing that could be skewed by other factors.
Speaker 1: It could be plus. I just remember when I wrote
Speaker 1: this article like years back, I was kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it seems just slightly off, Like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: got a good gut though. Well thanks man, I've been
Speaker 1: working on it so bad. Um. Well, we should also
Speaker 1: mention too that this goes back a long way, like
Speaker 1: I believe, was it Hippocrates, Yeah, was the first person
Speaker 1: to start sort of postulating ideas, and he was like, uh,
Speaker 1: he thought it was fever related, like sickness. It could
Speaker 1: help cure you. So I got a fever and the
Speaker 1: only prescription is more yawning. That's why here's the father
Speaker 1: of medicine. That's right, because he was the first guy
Speaker 1: to just start saying stuff. But you know that was
Speaker 1: pretty quickly disproving, right. But um, the idea that yawning
Speaker 1: has something to do with UM increasing our alertness and awareness,
Speaker 1: which is kind of one of the current views of
Speaker 1: yawning UM that dates back to the seventeenth and eighteen centuries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it increases your heart rate during inhalation only, um,
Speaker 1: not during uh the I think it it It increases
Speaker 1: and then levels off and then just drops back down
Speaker 1: to normal pretty quickly. I got you. Yeah, but up
Speaker 1: to like thirty beats per minute increase. Right, Yeah. I
Speaker 1: read a real heavy article on the study that really
Speaker 1: just made my eyes cross. But that was a long
Speaker 1: and short of it, right, But that's one that dealt
Speaker 1: with the eyes. Like they really measured all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1: And when we said that fetus is from eleven to
Speaker 1: twenty weeks of development yawn in utero And did you
Speaker 1: see any of like the four d ultrasounds. Fetus is yawning?
Speaker 1: Is it adorable? It's pretty cute, but it's also weird
Speaker 1: at the same time because they're not fully developed. It's
Speaker 1: it's like, oh you, it's like a little baby platypus
Speaker 1: kind of um, but you have to be around age
Speaker 1: four before you um can Uh, you're susceptibly contagious yawning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's there any way to put it besides susceptible, the
Speaker 1: contagious yawning, I don't think so. Why do you feel
Speaker 1: like You've said that like a lot, and I've paid
Speaker 1: trouble with it every time. Uh. There's another couple of
Speaker 1: researchers who a couple of years ago, um Andrew Gallop
Speaker 1: and Omar Tansi Elda car Uh. They found that outside
Speaker 1: temperature could affect the amount of yawning. So if it's
Speaker 1: warmer than usual, then you're gonna yawn less frequently because um.
Speaker 1: Their explanation is to outside airs useless to the organism
Speaker 1: because it doesn't need to suck in more oxygen. I
Speaker 1: don't get how the temperature would affect that though. Well,
Speaker 1: if it's warmer temperature and you're using the cooler air
Speaker 1: to cool your brain, if it's warmer than the temperature
Speaker 1: of your brain, then it's okay, that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Well they had other tests though, that's that
Speaker 1: showed that the amount of yawning increased both when outside
Speaker 1: temperature and the temperature of the brain increase. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: all over the place, No, no one knows anything about
Speaker 1: yawning except Robert Provine, the foremost leading authority. But well
Speaker 1: he's proven that like seeing your hearing about somebody yawning,
Speaker 1: it triggers your mirror neurons. So yeah, I think somebody
Speaker 1: should do a documentary on these people that become obsessed
Speaker 1: with yawns. No, just like a certain small thing. So
Speaker 1: you're yawning right now? Um, and that was unsatisfying because
Speaker 1: you made me laugh in the middle of it. I think,
Speaker 1: like fast chief and out of control. I've talked about
Speaker 1: it before. Errol Morris's documentary sort of did that, but
Speaker 1: that was about like studying naked mole rats or lion
Speaker 1: taming or um. It's it called when you clip the
Speaker 1: hedges indicty gardening. But someone they should do things that
Speaker 1: are even more like mundane, like this dude that has
Speaker 1: dedicated as life to yawning. I just think they'd be interesting,
Speaker 1: Like what drives provine? Figure this out? When it really
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, you know what I'm saying? Well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: because and it's not a yawning he he frequently is
Speaker 1: cited as a yawning expert. He's an evolutionary biologist, so
Speaker 1: like but yawning, since it's involuntary, and since you find
Speaker 1: it in all vertebrates, it kind of gives some peek
Speaker 1: into our evolutionary past. Plus he probably just loves a
Speaker 1: good mystery. Sure. He had a great quote too. We
Speaker 1: were talking about how arousal yawning is a is a
Speaker 1: byproduct of a state of arousal. He was saying that
Speaker 1: he believes that um, yawns and orgasms share a neuro
Speaker 1: behavioral heritage. Yeah, so like they're possibly rooted in the
Speaker 1: same behavior. Like remember you said it yourself, when you pendiculate,
Speaker 1: it feels good. Same you know with the orgasm. So
Speaker 1: I've heard those feel great, right, So possibly if you
Speaker 1: trace the lineage of this behavior back far enough, you'd say, like, oh,
Speaker 1: they both came from when humans used to stubb their toe.
Speaker 1: They thought it was awesome, and then the things diverged
Speaker 1: into these two things interesting, into uh, yawning and what
Speaker 1: happens when you're in the mood, the Glenn Miller mood. Right, Ah,
Speaker 1: you got anything else? No, man, that is yawning forever
Speaker 1: until somebody figures it out. It's a mystery, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I kind of like it like that. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I think it's it's so amorphous that there's
Speaker 1: no no one has a clue. Like sometimes we've talked
Speaker 1: about stuff that science couldn't fully explain, but we almost
Speaker 1: always like pick a theory like this is the one.
Speaker 1: It just hasn't been proven yet, right, this one. I
Speaker 1: don't feel like we did that, Like we both like
Speaker 1: the brain cooling one, but it was kind of discarded.
Speaker 1: And I'm definitely gonna keep an eye on my pets. Um.
Speaker 1: But then I don't know if, like, can you induce
Speaker 1: that just by noticing more, you know, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Or maybe what I'll do is I'll watch
Speaker 1: Emily around the pets. No one's in on it, Just
Speaker 1: be careful you don't accidentally change their behaviors by observing
Speaker 1: its Berg's Buckley farts every time he stretches too. And see,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. We'll see if Emily farts while
Speaker 1: she fandiculates, right, that'll be the death's nice um. So okay,
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