WEBVTT - What makes us yawn?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to you Stuff you should Know from house Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant. You're getting comfy. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well you put the two of us together and this

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<v Speaker 1>is stuff you should know the podcast. Frank was squeaking.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I was in Frank. How was that, Frank? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I was sorry, I'm in Francine. Okay, sorry Francine, she squeaking.

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<v Speaker 1>You are in, Frank? Who are you? Let's build a chair? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>People have never heard this from like, what are they

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<v Speaker 1>talking about? They've already turned off. We name our chairs people?

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<v Speaker 1>Then everyone he named cars, boats, and chairs. Yeah, a

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<v Speaker 1>surprising amount of people named chairs. If you don't, you

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<v Speaker 1>should be paranoid because people are talking about you. It's right,

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<v Speaker 1>um Chuck, Yes, have you ever oscentated? I have. I've

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<v Speaker 1>even uh pendiculated? Do you pendiculated before? I pendiculate every morning?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what we we sound like? Um? People running

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<v Speaker 1>for the Senate in nineteen fifties Florida. Yeah, there's like.

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<v Speaker 1>Florida has a rich history of um like people running

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<v Speaker 1>for political office using technical terms for things that sound

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<v Speaker 1>way worse than they are to like smear their opponents. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this one guy who went and I can thank

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<v Speaker 1>Uncle John and his bathroom readers um who went after

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<v Speaker 1>his opponent and said that his sister was a thespian

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<v Speaker 1>in New York and like all these people are like

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<v Speaker 1>boo boo, and apparently like the smear campaign was successful.

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<v Speaker 1>That wasn't the only one, but this guy used that

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<v Speaker 1>couple of couple of technical terms. We should probably tell

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<v Speaker 1>people what we're talking about, right, because you said you

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<v Speaker 1>pendiculate every morning easily every morning, and that is a

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<v Speaker 1>what that is a yawn and a stretch combined together,

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<v Speaker 1>and as one of my favorite things to do in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning, it is Did you did you see that

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<v Speaker 1>painting of the It was a self portrait, the artist's

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<v Speaker 1>self portrait. It sounded like it was from like the

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<v Speaker 1>six or seventeenth century of him pendiculating. It's just as

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<v Speaker 1>awesome oil painting of this, you know, Renaissance man stretching

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<v Speaker 1>and yawning. Yeah. I love it because it feels good

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<v Speaker 1>and it uh, it ties me to my pets, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because like I see them do it, they see me

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<v Speaker 1>do it, and I'm kind of like, hey, we all eat,

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<v Speaker 1>we all pee and poop, and we all pendiculate. My

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<v Speaker 1>little cattle stretching yawn. My dogs will stretching yawn, and

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<v Speaker 1>I will stretching you. So do you guys make one

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<v Speaker 1>another stretching you on? You know, I'm gonna start looking

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<v Speaker 1>out for that because I have not noticed that. But

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<v Speaker 1>apparently yawning can be contagious to animals, right, Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a fun little game you can dogs, dogs, supposedly chimps

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, but probably not cats. I don't know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just because it's not in here, it doesn't mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>not true. Um, there's a fun little game you can

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<v Speaker 1>play the next time you're hanging out with people if

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like manipulating them biological level. Um, just yawn

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<v Speaker 1>and just start paying attention to how many people yawn

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<v Speaker 1>as a result, and it should start some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>chain reaction among maybe of the people, because that's the

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<v Speaker 1>that's the statistic of how many human adults yawn in

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<v Speaker 1>reaction to seeing somebody on seeing video of somebody yawn,

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<v Speaker 1>hearing about somebody yawning, reading about yawning, Like, how many

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<v Speaker 1>times did you yawn while you read this article? A bunch,

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<v Speaker 1>and people will probably yawn while listening to this. Supposedly

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty much impossible not to. Yeah, do you ever?

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<v Speaker 1>Just just really shows how deeply disturbed I am. I

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<v Speaker 1>will not I will suppress or cover up a yawn

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<v Speaker 1>if someone else has made me on sometimes just so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't give them the satisfaction. Oh yeah, I've done

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<v Speaker 1>that before. Sometimes he was like, no, I'm not like

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<v Speaker 1>just some stranger on elevator. They'll yawn and I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>be like, Nope, not me, buddy, one of those people

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<v Speaker 1>who don't realize that, like they're they're just your mortal

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<v Speaker 1>and me for no real good reason, when in fact

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<v Speaker 1>they really don't even know exists. They're like some guys

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<v Speaker 1>on the elevator. Right, So yawning is involuntary um, And

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen a range of of weeks that a fetus

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<v Speaker 1>has been observed yawning from eleven to twenty and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of disproves one of the well many things

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<v Speaker 1>disproves one of the theories, which is that we yawned

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<v Speaker 1>to oxygenate ourselves. Yeah, because a lot of people think

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<v Speaker 1>that fetus is um breathe amniotic fluid in the womb,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is absolutely not true that through the umbilical cord. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're not clearly not yawning to oxygenate themselves, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll debunk that with other things in a minute. Sure, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's still it is a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>mystery though, Like, yeah, the other the other ideas for

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<v Speaker 1>why we yawned don't really hold up in the fetus either.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like that's where the key to the mystery

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<v Speaker 1>of yawning is going to be found in. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>should we go there over some theories and well, hold on, first,

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<v Speaker 1>you were saying it's involuntary. I found this one thing, chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a type of paralysis like a lesion on

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<v Speaker 1>the brain where you can still if you yawn, you

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<v Speaker 1>still pendiculate. So like your paralyzed arm, if you yawn

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<v Speaker 1>deep enough, will will raise, will rise. Yeah. Wow, pretty weird. Huh. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>There's only been a few cases of it over like

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<v Speaker 1>the last hundred and fifty years, but it's been documented

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<v Speaker 1>in a number of different places. Yeah, I'll say that

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<v Speaker 1>is such a surprise. Yeah, seriously, they're like, can I

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<v Speaker 1>be tired more often? Um? So when you yawn, just

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<v Speaker 1>physiologically speaking, you're gonna open your mouth, You're going to

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<v Speaker 1>suck in air into your lungs. I read one place

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<v Speaker 1>that you your eyes usually close. They did this big

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<v Speaker 1>study and found that most time your eyes closed. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's like all the time. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that's sneezing you're thinking of. No, they did a study

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<v Speaker 1>on on the eyes of the honor. Well, that's part

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<v Speaker 1>of the yawn too, as far as queues go, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just the mouth opening your eyes quint Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I found like the really good deep yawn, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>my eyes will generally close. So you're gonna flex your

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<v Speaker 1>your abs. It's good workout. It's gonna put your diet

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<v Speaker 1>for RAM down. You're gonna still your lungs with air

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<v Speaker 1>and then exhale, and that is a yawn stretch. You're pendiculating. UM. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>parts of your brain become active, right, UM. Basically what

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<v Speaker 1>happens when all of this, when you go through all

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<v Speaker 1>this process, a bunch of neurotransmitters and dopamine are activated.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is why a guy named Robert Provine thinks, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he says that UM yawns are basically a part of

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<v Speaker 1>a change from one state of arousal to another. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like I was asleep, now I'm awake, or I was

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<v Speaker 1>alert now on board, or I was like just ho hum,

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<v Speaker 1>and now I'm like in the mood because there you

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<v Speaker 1>can yawn when you're sexually aroused. Mood, the mood, the mood,

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<v Speaker 1>the Glenn Miller mood. That's that they had to call

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<v Speaker 1>it back then, and that's what we have to call

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<v Speaker 1>it today on this family friendly podcast. Um, what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on to is physiologically speaking, is we are distributing, um,

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<v Speaker 1>something called the surfactant, which sounds gross and it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of is. It's a wedding agent, uh, to cote al

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<v Speaker 1>veoli in the lungs. Um. But are they saying that's

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<v Speaker 1>what happens or that's why it happens, that's what happens. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not saying the reason is to cote the alboli

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<v Speaker 1>with surfactant, Right, it could be. I mean, for all

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<v Speaker 1>we know, know that we still have no idea of

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<v Speaker 1>what function yawning provides. Same with the the yawning as

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<v Speaker 1>a symbol of arousal or is a sign of arousal,

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<v Speaker 1>They think that it's really just a byproduct of it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Okay, but it explains why people who are

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<v Speaker 1>nervous or dogs. I'm sure you've seen dogs who are

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<v Speaker 1>nervous and they yawn in like that really kind of weird,

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<v Speaker 1>unsettling way when they're super worked up. Yeah. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>humans too, you know, like people will yawn when they're nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's it's a sign that you're in a

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<v Speaker 1>state of arousal. And what that state of arousal is

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<v Speaker 1>depends on the situation. Yeah. They point to Olympians who

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<v Speaker 1>yawned before like a race and um, which Poopoo's one

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<v Speaker 1>theory that we're gonna get to theory. Should we just

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<v Speaker 1>get to the theories, Let's get to the theory. Pop.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that theory though, that you have to be bored

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<v Speaker 1>or you have to be sleepy retired? Yeah, like that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the boredom theory, and it's kind of been pretty

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<v Speaker 1>fully shot down just by you know, just casual observation.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also the physiological theory, which is that this is

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<v Speaker 1>the one that I've always heard when I was younger,

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<v Speaker 1>like why are you yawn Is because you need to

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<v Speaker 1>your oxygen deprived or you have an abundance of carbon dioxide.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're drawn in a bunch of oxygen and like

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<v Speaker 1>putting out a bunch of carbon dioxide. That's why you're

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<v Speaker 1>yawn and provine or provine that you mentioned. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>tested this one right, Yeah, pretty simply. He just said, okay, well, um,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just give some athletes a bunch of oxygen and

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<v Speaker 1>see if they um, if they breathe, if they yawn

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<v Speaker 1>any less, And they didn't. He also um increased the

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<v Speaker 1>carbon dioxide in the ambient air and people still kept yawning. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so that one's gone where they didn't yawn anymore. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can put that to bed. Yeah. Plus also

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<v Speaker 1>there was a terrible um hy proof associated with that

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<v Speaker 1>hypothesis that that explains why people yawning groups, because when

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<v Speaker 1>you have a big group, more carbon dioxide and less oxygen,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's like you're all fighting over the oxygen, so

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<v Speaker 1>you're they're yawning. Yeah, whoever can yawn the deepest lives?

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<v Speaker 1>That don't sound right. Evolution um could play a part.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people think that maybe we used to yawn. Took

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<v Speaker 1>took with yawn to bare his teeth to intimidate folks

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<v Speaker 1>around him. Um, or that it developed as a signal took.

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<v Speaker 1>Took would give a signal to his mates that hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta we're hunting now and we need to go now.

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<v Speaker 1>Gather would so I will yawn to tell you that

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<v Speaker 1>like pre speech, right, Yeah, like a bird turning off

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<v Speaker 1>the whole flock. Yeah, that makes a little bit of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>But I still don't believe that one. I'm with the

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<v Speaker 1>brain cooling theory that's like the most recent one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it seems to be the one that people are

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<v Speaker 1>subscribing to. Yeah. Scientists generally are leaning toward the fact that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>when our brains are warmer, yawning might cool it down.

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<v Speaker 1>In A cool brain is a more whatever, a better brain.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I should say I just better for thinking

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<v Speaker 1>I just yawned. Did you okay? I didn't see it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I covered my mouth. You might have thought I was purpening.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I did. Um. So, the brain cooling theory,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the one that most people think is lately, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the that's the explanation to your yeah. Um, And there's

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<v Speaker 1>another piece of research that people are going into that

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<v Speaker 1>um is the idea that contagious yawning is the result

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<v Speaker 1>of empathy. Right that you that you empathize. The more

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<v Speaker 1>you empathize with other people, the more susceptible you are

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<v Speaker 1>to contagious yawning. And we said earlier that like I

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<v Speaker 1>think of human adults, um are susceptible to contagious yawning, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which the MythBusters confirmed by the way. Okay, so there

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<v Speaker 1>is some sort of link between what we perceive as

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<v Speaker 1>empathy and the susceptibility to yawning. When you see somebody

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<v Speaker 1>else yawning or reading about yawning or whatever, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if it's like a boy, that guy's tired and just

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<v Speaker 1>let me make him feel better. Well, the pro vine again,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like really into yawning research. Um. He he has

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<v Speaker 1>done m r I scans where he shows I guess

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of people yawning or talks about yawning and you

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<v Speaker 1>know they yawned. Um. And when they do, he says

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<v Speaker 1>that mere neurons go off. Right, So are are mere

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<v Speaker 1>neurons are activated when you see somebody else yawned? And

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<v Speaker 1>apparently that triggers then. But people take it a step

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<v Speaker 1>further in this quest to prove that empathy and contagious

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<v Speaker 1>yawning or you know, want work hand in hand and saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>then people with autism that that they shouldn't be able

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<v Speaker 1>to be susceptible to contagious yawning because they're known to

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<v Speaker 1>have less empathy, right, they have trouble connecting with others

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<v Speaker 1>or um, they have trouble developing what's called the theory

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<v Speaker 1>of mind about other people. Um. And there have been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of studies about whether or not people who

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<v Speaker 1>are people who have autism are contagious too susceptible the

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<v Speaker 1>contagious yawning, and it's it's it's been proven, not proven,

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<v Speaker 1>but at least the data says that the more, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the the stronger your autism, the less you will yawn,

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<v Speaker 1>even though uh, they will yawn when someone is pretending

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<v Speaker 1>to yawn. Was that what it was? Yeah? I think

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<v Speaker 1>it said that, Um, when they were watching video of

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<v Speaker 1>people just moving their mouths, then non autistic kids yawned

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<v Speaker 1>more than kids with autism when it was really yawning.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense? Yes, Well, hold on before we

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<v Speaker 1>get to that, um, because this is like a whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing to me, the idea that if you have autism,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not susceptibly continuous yawning. Let's let's first I have

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<v Speaker 1>a message break from our sponsor. Okay, Josh, So I

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<v Speaker 1>believe we were talking about autism and yawning, which is

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<v Speaker 1>I just learned a thing for you. Well, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>said that there was. They have found that if you

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<v Speaker 1>have been diagnosed with autism, you're less likely to be

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<v Speaker 1>susceptible and contagious yawning. And they found that the higher

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<v Speaker 1>on the autism spectrum you fall, the less lucky would

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<v Speaker 1>you would even be right, Yeah, which would suggest that

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<v Speaker 1>there is that link because they've tied they there's a

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<v Speaker 1>link between uh, empathy and an autism and empathy and

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<v Speaker 1>contagious yawning. So this autism and studying kids with autism

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of like the fulkrum. So yeah, it just

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<v Speaker 1>seems to me to be kind of um, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't buy all the studies that have

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<v Speaker 1>been carried out. Another studies kind of contradicted, like they

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<v Speaker 1>other studies have shown that like kids with autism focus

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<v Speaker 1>on people's mouths rather than their eyes. So maybe they're

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<v Speaker 1>missing the cue. Member. We said that your eyes scrunched

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<v Speaker 1>to like a yawn is not just people opening their mouths.

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<v Speaker 1>It has all these other facial characteristics that might trigger

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<v Speaker 1>a yawn and another person. So maybe kids with autism

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<v Speaker 1>are simply missing that could be skewed by other factors.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be plus. I just remember when I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>this article like years back, I was kind of like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it seems just slightly off, Like, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>got a good gut though. Well thanks man, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>working on it so bad. Um. Well, we should also

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<v Speaker 1>mention too that this goes back a long way, like

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, was it Hippocrates, Yeah, was the first person

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<v Speaker 1>to start sort of postulating ideas, and he was like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he thought it was fever related, like sickness. It could

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<v Speaker 1>help cure you. So I got a fever and the

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<v Speaker 1>only prescription is more yawning. That's why here's the father

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<v Speaker 1>of medicine. That's right, because he was the first guy

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<v Speaker 1>to just start saying stuff. But you know that was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly disproving, right. But um, the idea that yawning

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<v Speaker 1>has something to do with UM increasing our alertness and awareness,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of one of the current views of

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<v Speaker 1>yawning UM that dates back to the seventeenth and eighteen centuries. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well it increases your heart rate during inhalation only, um,

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<v Speaker 1>not during uh the I think it it It increases

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<v Speaker 1>and then levels off and then just drops back down

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<v Speaker 1>to normal pretty quickly. I got you. Yeah, but up

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<v Speaker 1>to like thirty beats per minute increase. Right, Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>read a real heavy article on the study that really

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<v Speaker 1>just made my eyes cross. But that was a long

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<v Speaker 1>and short of it, right, But that's one that dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with the eyes. Like they really measured all kinds of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we said that fetus is from eleven to

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<v Speaker 1>twenty weeks of development yawn in utero And did you

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<v Speaker 1>see any of like the four d ultrasounds. Fetus is yawning?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it adorable? It's pretty cute, but it's also weird

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time because they're not fully developed. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh you, it's like a little baby platypus

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<v Speaker 1>kind of um, but you have to be around age

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<v Speaker 1>four before you um can Uh, you're susceptibly contagious yawning. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's there any way to put it besides susceptible, the

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<v Speaker 1>contagious yawning, I don't think so. Why do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like You've said that like a lot, and I've paid

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<v Speaker 1>trouble with it every time. Uh. There's another couple of

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<v Speaker 1>researchers who a couple of years ago, um Andrew Gallop

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<v Speaker 1>and Omar Tansi Elda car Uh. They found that outside

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<v Speaker 1>temperature could affect the amount of yawning. So if it's

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<v Speaker 1>warmer than usual, then you're gonna yawn less frequently because um.

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<v Speaker 1>Their explanation is to outside airs useless to the organism

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<v Speaker 1>because it doesn't need to suck in more oxygen. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't get how the temperature would affect that though. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's warmer temperature and you're using the cooler air

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<v Speaker 1>to cool your brain, if it's warmer than the temperature

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<v Speaker 1>of your brain, then it's okay, that makes sense. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Well they had other tests though, that's that

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<v Speaker 1>showed that the amount of yawning increased both when outside

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<v Speaker 1>temperature and the temperature of the brain increase. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place, No, no one knows anything about

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<v Speaker 1>yawning except Robert Provine, the foremost leading authority. But well

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<v Speaker 1>he's proven that like seeing your hearing about somebody yawning,

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<v Speaker 1>it triggers your mirror neurons. So yeah, I think somebody

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<v Speaker 1>should do a documentary on these people that become obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with yawns. No, just like a certain small thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're yawning right now? Um, and that was unsatisfying because

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<v Speaker 1>you made me laugh in the middle of it. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>like fast chief and out of control. I've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>it before. Errol Morris's documentary sort of did that, but

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<v Speaker 1>that was about like studying naked mole rats or lion

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<v Speaker 1>taming or um. It's it called when you clip the

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<v Speaker 1>hedges indicty gardening. But someone they should do things that

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<v Speaker 1>are even more like mundane, like this dude that has

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated as life to yawning. I just think they'd be interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what drives provine? Figure this out? When it really

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter, you know what I'm saying? Well, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>because and it's not a yawning he he frequently is

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<v Speaker 1>cited as a yawning expert. He's an evolutionary biologist, so

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<v Speaker 1>like but yawning, since it's involuntary, and since you find

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<v Speaker 1>it in all vertebrates, it kind of gives some peek

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<v Speaker 1>into our evolutionary past. Plus he probably just loves a

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<v Speaker 1>good mystery. Sure. He had a great quote too. We

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about how arousal yawning is a is a

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<v Speaker 1>byproduct of a state of arousal. He was saying that

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<v Speaker 1>he believes that um, yawns and orgasms share a neuro

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<v Speaker 1>behavioral heritage. Yeah, so like they're possibly rooted in the

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<v Speaker 1>same behavior. Like remember you said it yourself, when you pendiculate,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels good. Same you know with the orgasm. So

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard those feel great, right, So possibly if you

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<v Speaker 1>trace the lineage of this behavior back far enough, you'd say, like, oh,

0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.720
<v Speaker 1>they both came from when humans used to stubb their toe.

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<v Speaker 1>They thought it was awesome, and then the things diverged

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<v Speaker 1>into these two things interesting, into uh, yawning and what

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<v Speaker 1>happens when you're in the mood, the Glenn Miller mood. Right, Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>you got anything else? No, man, that is yawning forever

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<v Speaker 1>until somebody figures it out. It's a mystery, Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of like it like that. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, I think it's it's so amorphous that there's

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<v Speaker 1>no no one has a clue. Like sometimes we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about stuff that science couldn't fully explain, but we almost

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<v Speaker 1>always like pick a theory like this is the one.

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<v Speaker 1>It just hasn't been proven yet, right, this one. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like we did that, Like we both like

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<v Speaker 1>the brain cooling one, but it was kind of discarded.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm definitely gonna keep an eye on my pets. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I don't know if, like, can you induce

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<v Speaker 1>that just by noticing more, you know, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, Or maybe what I'll do is I'll watch

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<v Speaker 1>Emily around the pets. No one's in on it, Just

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<v Speaker 1>be careful you don't accidentally change their behaviors by observing

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<v Speaker 1>its Berg's Buckley farts every time he stretches too. And see,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm saying. We'll see if Emily farts while

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<v Speaker 1>she fandiculates, right, that'll be the death's nice um. So okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you guys want to learn more about yawning,

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<v Speaker 1>you can type that word into the search bar how

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<v Speaker 1>means it's time for listener mail. Uh not quite yet,

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<v Speaker 1>though about Rodriguez. So oh yeah, yeah, okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is a time for message break, okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>now it's time for listener mail. Huh. Yes, And I

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<v Speaker 1>already gave it away because I wanted people to stick

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<v Speaker 1>around for this. And it is called I Hang Out

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<v Speaker 1>with Rodriguez. So we mentioned Rodriguez, the singer songwriter from

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties who, unbeknownst to him, was a huge, huge

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<v Speaker 1>hit in South America and no, South Africa. What did

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<v Speaker 1>I say, South American? Such an idea South Africa and

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<v Speaker 1>then down there once on the left, ones on the right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then later in Australia and um, so we covered

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<v Speaker 1>that in our Apartheide podcast and you can see the

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<v Speaker 1>documentary searching for Sugarman's Super Interesting. Which one, uh best

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<v Speaker 1>documentary this year? Right? Yeah? Yeah? Have you seen How

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<v Speaker 1>to Survive a Plague? That was up for Best Picture too,

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<v Speaker 1>best Documentary? Yes, it was good, Yeah, it was really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Um it was. It's about the early gay like AIDS

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<v Speaker 1>awareness movement and like it's just what they were up against.

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<v Speaker 1>His mind boggling, you know, like the society was just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, no, God's punishing you. Good luck with it, pal, jeez. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's really something saw our friends Steward of Superhuman Happiness.

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<v Speaker 1>Who are they're fans of the show? He scored the soundtrack.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, he did a really good job with it,

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<v Speaker 1>So you want to check that out. Um. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>another trailer the other day for a document are about

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<v Speaker 1>this family of Jews who hid in a underground for

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<v Speaker 1>a year and a half during World War Two and

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<v Speaker 1>they never told their story because they didn't think anyone

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<v Speaker 1>believe it. In this caving cave diver not cave diver,

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<v Speaker 1>caving guy found these human objects and traced them back

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<v Speaker 1>to this family and they came out like the surviving ones,

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<v Speaker 1>like told their story of his amazing thing. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>No Place on Earth and uh, it's coming out soon.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks awesome. Right. Well, there you go, everybody. We

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<v Speaker 1>like to recommend documentaries around here. Okay, Rodriguez, guys. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so fun to hear you talk about Rodriguez because I've

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<v Speaker 1>known him a little bit there and there. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>he's getting recognition. And here's a story about the first

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<v Speaker 1>day I met him. September two thousand seven, I moved

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<v Speaker 1>into a one one year old apartment building in the

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<v Speaker 1>Cast Corridor neighborhood of Detroit. It was a bar across

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<v Speaker 1>the street called the Bronx, and after getting moved in,

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<v Speaker 1>my boyfriend and I went over there had a night

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<v Speaker 1>of celebrating and talking with some older new friends or friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Dale pointed out this dude wearing all black with sunglasses on, said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Rodriguez, that guy over there is bigger than

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<v Speaker 1>Elvis in South Africa and Australia. I didn't understand the

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<v Speaker 1>gravity of a statement at the time. Being friendly people,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked late into the night with Dale and Rodriguez

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<v Speaker 1>the bar clothes. We decided to walk back across the

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<v Speaker 1>street to our new apartment and Rodriguez followed us out

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<v Speaker 1>with his guitar and toe. It was very quiet out

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<v Speaker 1>about three in the morning. The apartment building was you shaped,

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<v Speaker 1>with a big courtyard in the middle and low lighting.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really beautiful. There was a single picnic table

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<v Speaker 1>and we sat there on it talking more and more.

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<v Speaker 1>Rodriguez pulled out a pint of brandy, offered us some

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<v Speaker 1>and then asked if we wanted to hear his new song,

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<v Speaker 1>saying he had just written it the other day. He

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<v Speaker 1>said sure, because he seemed so incredibly excited about it.

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<v Speaker 1>He played the song for us and played it again,

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<v Speaker 1>which I thought was interesting. He twice so did you

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<v Speaker 1>like that? You want to hear it again? Wait before

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<v Speaker 1>you answer, let me play uh, And then we talked

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<v Speaker 1>some more about music can love, and he played it

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<v Speaker 1>once again. I guess he played it three times. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw many many times over the next few years

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<v Speaker 1>and met his middle daughter as well, the same song

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<v Speaker 1>every time. But I'll never forget sitting under the stair stars,

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<v Speaker 1>all alone with him in a majestic old Detroit courtyard

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<v Speaker 1>giving my boyfriend to me a private concert of a

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<v Speaker 1>single song that's cool, played thrice in Passing the Cheap Brandy.

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<v Speaker 1>He really is. It's kind and happy of a soul.

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<v Speaker 1>As the movie says, when you watch Churching for sugar Man,

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<v Speaker 1>you can see a couple of people talking to the

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<v Speaker 1>bronze bar and even see my old apartment in the background.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope I see you guys soon. Love Julia, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks Julia, hat tipped to you for being aware of

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<v Speaker 1>the word thrice and for um, I guess waiting out

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<v Speaker 1>the storm in Detroit. Yeah, and for listening to that

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<v Speaker 1>song three times like very patient understanding with the smile

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<v Speaker 1>plastered on your face the last time. Like, yeah, very

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<v Speaker 1>cool memory, I imagine. Yeah. Um, let's see if you

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