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Speaker 1: My mom had me abducted and thrown into the wilderness

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Speaker 1: for eighty eight days. Is this abuse? And actually we

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Speaker 1: have the storyteller with us right now, Mick, Mick, how

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Speaker 1: do we meet?

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Speaker 2: Well? I have been a fan of you guys for

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Speaker 2: a little while. I listened to the show while I edit,

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Speaker 2: and one time I was not editing, but actually doing

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Speaker 2: another activity a little more physical. And sometimes I just

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Speaker 2: have my computer. I have this whole little set up here,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes there's music playing, or podcasts or just you know,

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Speaker 2: various things. And it just so happened that it was

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Speaker 2: the voices of my dear friends Sam and John as

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Speaker 2: I was doing the dirty.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I heard nothing that puts you better in

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Speaker 1: the mood than our yelling voices exactly.

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Speaker 2: And then you had asked on your podcast I'm sitting

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Speaker 2: there at work, and You're like, I wonder if anyone

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Speaker 2: has you know, made sweet love to our voices. So

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Speaker 2: I was like, I sat there and immediately I was like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: for sure, I have clap cheeks these guys. So like

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Speaker 2: I was like, slin your dms and then uh, and

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Speaker 2: then you were oh, I got frustrated because you didn't respond,

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Speaker 2: so I was like, and then we served. So it's

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Speaker 2: all good now.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, so, uh, we're going to have you on.

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Speaker 1: We want to get you. Gotta give us like the

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Speaker 1: ninety second you know, I gotta give us a ninety

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Speaker 1: second breakdown of how this abduction happened.

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Speaker 2: All right. So I was not a good kid. I

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Speaker 2: was taken. I was put in a car, a black suburban.

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Speaker 2: I'll never forget it. And I was also slightly medicated.

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Speaker 2: I fell asleep. I woke This isn't Florida, by the way.

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Speaker 2: So the drive was from West Palm Beach to Man.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't even tell you. I would say somewhere around Henderson,

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Speaker 2: and it went far.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I woke up, and I'm in the mountains, and they

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Speaker 2: put me in this room. They strip searched me, make

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Speaker 2: sure I don't have anything. Uh, my watch gone, just

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Speaker 2: take They just take everything I have on my clothes. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And then they blindfold me. They put me in another truck. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And then I get dropped off into this camp with

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Speaker 2: five other kids in the woods. And then I was

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Speaker 2: given like a guidebook. It was like supposed to be

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Speaker 2: like a therapy thing, but it was not very Uh.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like it gives you that, like it makes

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Speaker 1: it you need therapy instead of being therapy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no exactly. It was. It was very I

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Speaker 2: think like for me, I'm definitely like and ou doorsy guys.

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Speaker 2: So like at first I was like, oh, this is

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Speaker 2: gonna be sick, but like you don't they don't tell

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Speaker 2: you any information. They're like, they don't tell you how

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Speaker 2: what time it is. With day it is like it's

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Speaker 2: really and they don't tell you where you're going. You're

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Speaker 2: just like walking in the woods.

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Speaker 1: And you were there for eighty eight days.

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Speaker 2: Some kids were there shorter, some kids were there longer.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we gotta I dot you. We gotta

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Speaker 1: got to the story a little bit. But you say

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Speaker 1: you said medicated. You were like, like, what do you

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Speaker 1: remember about the first night?

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, the first I was medicated before they put

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Speaker 2: me into the truck into the car.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean medicated?

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Speaker 2: Like my mom, Like, my mom basically kind of like

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Speaker 2: tricked me into taking like a bunch of annex So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I love your mom.

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Speaker 1: Wow, how did she trick you at fifteen?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know it. I think she just said

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Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm thinking at the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like that was she wasn't. She wasn't. Like I heard

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Speaker 3: this new SoundCloud rapper Nambules, and I thought I'd just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I just just being there was so like, man.

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Speaker 1: Wait, so when did you come to When did you

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Speaker 1: because so you fall asleep and then when are you

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Speaker 2: I'm awake in the car, so like when when I

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Speaker 2: When I'm in the car and I'm like seeing mountains

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Speaker 2: and also like wintertime in Florida is like not you know,

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Speaker 2: And then I'm pretty much like at this point, I'm

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Speaker 2: like I'm not like medical.

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Speaker 1: What's going through your head?

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Speaker 2: Dude, I'm tripping, Like I'm tripping, like I have no idea,

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Speaker 2: like what's going on? Like my mom just told me

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Speaker 2: like like the last thing, my whole family is saying

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Speaker 2: goodbye to me, and they're like this is for your

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Speaker 2: so yeah, And I didn't even do like anything that

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Speaker 1: So what what?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Do you have any idea what the reason was?

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Speaker 2: I think my mom I was just not a very

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Speaker 2: like easy to control a child. I didn't like I

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Speaker 2: wasn't doing anything like that serious. I think in my

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Speaker 2: I definitely was just like just lying to my mom

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Speaker 2: all the time about where I was like, definitely like

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Speaker 2: my mom wasn't like my mom was kind of like

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Speaker 2: not controlling, but like I don't know, she sounds a

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Speaker 1: Wanting to ship you off to the wilderness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not to your mom in this sand, but the

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Speaker 2: way the way you talk about here sometimes I am

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Speaker 3: Sam. How many days were you in the forest when

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Speaker 1: Only fourteen? I guess my mom wanted a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Why light work, dude? My gosh got off? Bro?

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Speaker 1: Wait wait even though I like, yeah, did, I didn't

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Speaker 1: was it like the girl you were dating, was it

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Speaker 2: I was just you know, smoking weed, which I don't

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Speaker 2: think is you know, I don't think that was like

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Speaker 1: Know the night just grand theft auto.

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Speaker 2: Well, when you put it that way, yeah, I also was.

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Speaker 2: I was also seeing this girl with blue hair. So

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Speaker 2: I feel like I don't even need to say anywhere there.

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Speaker 1: You gotta did she turn out to be a real

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Speaker 1: she turned out to be like a nice, like you know,

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Speaker 1: religious girl later in life? Did she go out of

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you asked, because she's actually a born star.

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Speaker 3: Now the question is there and only fans handles.

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Speaker 2: She's straight up on the hub man. I mean you can,

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna. We won't consumer. Yeah, no, direct, none

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we have a little context on why your

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Speaker 1: like living the life of of a tycoon over here

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Speaker 2: I mean when I get searched and they take like

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Speaker 2: and they're like they would just they would always say

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Speaker 2: tell you like, yeah, no it did, like i'mult vibes bro. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they would just be like be present and like it's

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I think I processed it pretty well, but I think

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Speaker 1: It seemed normal on this call. So I'm glad that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, of course. And I think I think

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Speaker 2: all that stuff. You're not allowed to have. Sharp objects,

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Speaker 1: A lot of way to chop wood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it wasn't even like a proper axe or something.

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Speaker 1: This sounds like one of the rays at my grandpa said,

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Speaker 2: The craziest thing is that I heard that this like

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Speaker 1: Your parents paid thirty K just to throw you in

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Speaker 2: I think yeah, maybe it was like twenty Like like

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Speaker 2: And then I was like I like I googled it

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Speaker 2: where my mom like got that money, Like she's a

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Speaker 3: Like I don't know, Bro, I can I can throw

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Speaker 3: you in the woods for free? Right now? Like we

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Speaker 3: could do that.

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Speaker 1: I'd give me your kids. I'll do it for ten k.

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Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, Sam, Actually she started a new business.

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Speaker 3: We will abduct your children and throw them in the

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like god, wait, so you're in the woods,

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Speaker 1: do you know how long you're going to be there?

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Speaker 3: Or there?

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Speaker 1: Every time you ask how long am I here for? There,

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Speaker 1: Wait, so when you saw your mom, what did you

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Speaker 2: I feel like I was like gaslight the entire I apologized,

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Speaker 2: You just didn't know what else to do, Like that's

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, literally that was me. So wow.

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Speaker 2: It was so wild. But I feel like I've learned

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Speaker 2: I actually this is a funny story. I one night

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Speaker 2: It's like really bad. And you're sleeping in a tent

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Speaker 2: That sounds all No toilet paper just leaves. So it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: No, no poison ivy.

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Speaker 3: I wow, what is it?

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Speaker 2: Leaves leaves a three, leave it be or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if it's three, let it be, Yeah, something

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Speaker 1: What do you think? First?

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Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, like my good, I mean just off rip.

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Speaker 3: Second one of the story giving your child xanax, all,

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, I like.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the punishment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah, but also it was like they're doing

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Speaker 3: kind of ode, but also like yeah, at least they

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Speaker 3: at least they had a reason, like like a what

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Speaker 1: Hot hot take. I don't. I only the only part

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Speaker 1: There's three things, giving you xanax, abducting you, and not

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Speaker 1: telling you when it's gonna end. But other than that,

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Speaker 1: like this just seems like one of those summer camps,

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Speaker 2: See that it was way worse. There's no fun activities,

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Speaker 1: Camp is like it's only pay.

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Speaker 2: No, it's only pain, it's let's it's you're hiking until

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Speaker 2: I mean, my mom didn't know when I was coming

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Speaker 2: back either. I don't think like I think you couldn't.

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Speaker 1: Know how when it was she was just like, yeah,

443
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Speaker 1: take them for as long as you want.

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Speaker 2: Pretty I'm pretty sure you finished because everyone had different dates,

445
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Speaker 2: Like I just coincident eighty eight is like a nice

446
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Speaker 2: sounding number that was just coincidentally my how long I

447
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Speaker 2: was there? Yeah, let's go. But they you know, kids

448
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Speaker 2: got out earlier, kids got out way before too. I've

449
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Speaker 2: heard of kids being older to being like seventeen and

450
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Speaker 2: then turning eighteen while they're there and then they can't

451
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Speaker 2: be like legally kept there anymore, and they just like

452
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Speaker 2: dipped in the woods.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

454
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Speaker 2: And like there was this kid in the group you're

455
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Speaker 2: like not allowed to like you can't leave obviously, and

456
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Speaker 2: this kid in the group, like right before I got there,

457
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Speaker 2: he like tried to escape and he climbed a tree

458
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Speaker 2: like looking for near like civilization, fell out of the

459
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Speaker 2: tree into a lake with both his legs broken and

460
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Speaker 2: drowned in the lake and died. And then they didn't

461
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Speaker 2: they withheld that They withheld that information from our parents too,

462
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Speaker 2: which I thought was kind of fucked.

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Speaker 1: Oh my, okay, fuck, okay, yeah, okay, I'm adding more

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Speaker 1: to my list in the child at the sections. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I think most of us experiences child abuse.

466
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Speaker 1: But how do you interpret it, like all these years after, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I I think it made me kind of hard

468
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Speaker 2: and like a good maybe kind of hard, you.

469
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Speaker 1: Know, maybe rock hard. I was busting on, I was busting.

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Speaker 2: Right. I think I learned some really interesting niche skills,

471
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Speaker 2: which like my bow is back home in Florida. I

472
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Speaker 2: got to get it out here because that is just

473
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Speaker 2: a great party trick, Like if I just bowdrilled a

474
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Speaker 2: fucking fire with two sticks, like I don't know, like

475
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Speaker 2: that'd be great.

476
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Speaker 1: Panties soaked, I'm sure.

477
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Speaker 2: I also found I found the article of the team

478
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Speaker 2: that died.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how I can share that, but I

480
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Speaker 4: sent me like, yeah, wow, dude, So I mean you're

481
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Speaker 4: so you're thankful for the scales.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you think it's definitely child abuse?

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I have nightmares to this day where I'm like

484
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Speaker 2: still trapped, like where I feel like it's like a

485
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Speaker 2: trapped The part that was abuse was the trapped feeling

486
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Speaker 2: where like you can't and you also like can't leave

487
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Speaker 2: the group, Like every time you leave the group, you

488
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Speaker 2: had to. Part of this system was so that we

489
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Speaker 2: wouldn't get lost, but like we'd have to count. So

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Speaker 2: like let's say you're walking away from the camp, like

491
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Speaker 2: you had to like count and like you couldn't go

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Speaker 2: further than like earshot.

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Speaker 1: Essentially so you don't escape.

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Speaker 2: And really the only time you were allowed to leave

495
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Speaker 2: camp was like if you had to, you know, you

496
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Speaker 2: go to the bathroom or something.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, fucked. It was pretty I think I think

498
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Speaker 1: we can all agree it's child abuse.

499
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it was. It was not fun.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, to any of y'all listening or watching

501
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Speaker 1: right now, let us know what you think.

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Speaker 2: Anyone's in your answer, Carolina, if everyone was in Trails, Carolina,

503
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Speaker 2: Bravo group, probably remember me Realy reach.

504
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Speaker 1: Out and if anyone has any stories of being gooned

505
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Speaker 1: yourself or abducted like in this way, like, please let

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Speaker 1: us know. We want to hear your stories. Put your

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Speaker 1: answers the comments. But damn, Mitch, this is a crazy story.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing. And also just want to say, uh,

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Speaker 1: Mick was a Mick was a uh a listener like

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Speaker 1: for a while and then reached out and now we're

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Speaker 1: having them on the show. So if you uh, if

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Speaker 1: you want to share your story on okop like Mick

513
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Speaker 1: just did, please reach out.

514
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Speaker 2: Well, the real secret to getting on the show is

515
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Speaker 2: you have to clap cheeks. If you're not clapping cheeks.

516
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Speaker 1: You have to clap cheeks to the podcast.

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Speaker 3: That's like the guaranteed like line skin, that's the Disney

518
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Speaker 3: fast pass of getting on Okay exactly exactly.

519
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Speaker 2: You have to send to send evidence exactly.

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Speaker 3: We can't just do it without receipts, I mean research.

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Speaker 1: Well, we love you so much. We'll see us soon

522
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: and I have a great rest of your death. My

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Speaker 1: psychle boyfriend destroyed my house because I wouldn't let him

524
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Speaker 1: go on vacation with my family. I'm calling the police,

525
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: so am I the a hole? Mick is a friend

526
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: of the pod, and we're gonna jump right into it,

527
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: so me twenty one female boyfriend twenty three male, let's

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Speaker 1: call him Charlie. Around a month ago, my mom mentioned

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Speaker 1: a family vacation wall on a call with me. Charlie

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Speaker 1: and I have been together for about a year. He

531
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Speaker 1: has still not met my mom said of the family,

532
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Speaker 1: only my dad's My mom forty two female, lives at home,

533
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Speaker 1: lives in my home country together with my stepdad fifty mail,

534
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Speaker 1: and my stepbrother twenty four male lives there too, but

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Speaker 1: not in her hometown. Because of this, he hasn't had

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Speaker 1: a chance to meet them yet. Yesterday I mentioned it

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Speaker 1: to my best friend, twenty one female, with whom I

538
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Speaker 1: have been best friends for seventeen years. I was on

539
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Speaker 1: the phone with her. She is still in the city

540
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Speaker 1: we grew up in and goes to university there because

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Speaker 1: she often sees my parents. My mom invited her like

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Speaker 1: my mom invited her like she has done on any

543
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Speaker 1: other vacation, and this time she decided to come. So

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Speaker 1: the friend decided to come on the vacation that she

545
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Speaker 1: was invited to. Okay, the trip is only paid by

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Speaker 1: my stepdad and my mom. My stepbrother will be bringing

547
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Speaker 1: his fiance twenty one female too. Charlie was in the

548
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Speaker 1: room while I was on the call and asked me

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Speaker 1: what should I pack O Charlie is already assuming he's

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Speaker 1: going a little presumptuous Charlie m I looked at him,

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Speaker 1: confused and asked, he's going somewhere. He said that he

552
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Speaker 1: needs to know what to pack for the trip. I

553
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Speaker 1: laughed and thought he was joking since I never said

554
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Speaker 1: he was coming. When I realized he was serious, I

555
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: sat him down and told him he isn't going to

556
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Speaker 1: be able to come, and there was no reservation for him. Plus,

557
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Speaker 1: it will be very inappropriate to invite him over knowing

558
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Speaker 1: that this is a family trip and it will make

559
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: a bad impression like he's trying to come because it's

560
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Speaker 1: just going to be free. They have never met him,

561
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Speaker 1: there isn't any rooms left, he doesn't have a passport,

562
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Speaker 1: and there's other reasons that I tried explaining. He flipped out, though,

563
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Speaker 1: and told me that I'm a bleach and that I'm

564
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Speaker 1: probably cheating on him and that's why he's not invited.

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Speaker 2: Leave him.

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Speaker 1: I tried, yeah, and there I tried explaining, but he

567
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Speaker 1: left the apartment. He hasn't returned since yesterday and at

568
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Speaker 1: four am, I have to leave to the airport. I'm worried, sick.

569
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Speaker 1: I called many times and texted, but he isn't responding.

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Speaker 1: So am I the a hole? And there is an updates?

571
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Speaker 1: So what do you think? Vig not the A hole?

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Speaker 2: First of all, where's your You don't have a passport?

573
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: I mean you're not going anywhere. What was your plan?

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Speaker 2: Like if you didn't have the passport?

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Speaker 1: I find if I would be able to go, Like,

576
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Speaker 1: you're going to a different country, bro.

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Speaker 2: And it was this is the day before that they're

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Speaker 2: talking about.

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Speaker 1: It, right, Yeah, yeah, four am. I have to leave

580
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Speaker 1: through the airport. Yeah, so this is so right there.

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Speaker 2: So if I was the girl, I would have looked

582
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Speaker 2: at Charlie and I would have been like.

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Speaker 1: And what world can you come? You're delusional?

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Speaker 2: Well that's what I would have said in my head.

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Speaker 2: But I would been like, yeah, just go grab your

586
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Speaker 2: passport and then he'd be like, I don't have one.

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, well you kind of need to come,

588
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Speaker 2: and then it's like that way he's but like at the.

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Speaker 1: Same time, one regardless, he's.

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Speaker 2: Still dumb, but now we've just unearthed. You're in and

591
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Speaker 2: if anything, this is all good because now she knows

592
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Speaker 2: she has an insecure little boyfriend and he's not responding

593
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Speaker 2: to her on her worried and you know, in his

594
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Speaker 2: dream situation, you know she is locked up in a

595
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Speaker 2: cage only giving attention to him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, red flag for sure. But let's get into this update. So,

597
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Speaker 1: when I was leaving from my apartment four days ago,

598
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Speaker 1: I left a key to my neighborhood slash friend. Yesterday

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Speaker 1: she called me to inform me that my boyfriend's stuff

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Speaker 1: is missing, and my writing studio and manga collection are destroyed.

601
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Speaker 1: Some of my savings are stolen, and yesterday he tried

602
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Speaker 1: to empty my bank account but failed miserably. Five thousand

603
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Speaker 1: dollars are apparently missing from the drawer of my nightstand,

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Speaker 1: and my boyfriend is nowhere to be found. Luckily, my

605
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Speaker 1: stepbrother's fiance's mother is a lawyer. My mom's side of

606
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Speaker 1: the family are trying to calm me down and get

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Speaker 1: me away from the situation as much as possible. I

608
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Speaker 1: thought this was a minor problem in the beginning, but

609
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: here we are. Dad's side of the family is telling

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Speaker 1: me to drop the charges and that I'm overreacting. Yes,

611
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: I did place charges. I will have to deal with

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Speaker 1: it further when I get back, but police are already

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Speaker 1: on the hunt for him. Manga's value, Yeah, dude, Meg,

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00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't. You can't like destroy this smutty Mega.

615
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: Come on, you can't destroy the manga. There's there's some

616
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: value there that she's gonna have.

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Speaker 1: You place a vale line, you know, take my possessions,

618
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Speaker 1: take my money, but spare Spare the manga.

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Speaker 2: Spare the Mega reading material.

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Speaker 1: Though some people said I was the affable because this

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Speaker 1: would be the perfect time to meet my family, but

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00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: in this case, it just seemed like a direct I

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Speaker 1: want a free trip to me. Somebody pointed out we

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Speaker 1: have communication problems. Yes, yes we do. I didn't really

625
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: want to mention this, but I'm on the autism spectrum,

626
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Speaker 1: so it's pretty normal in a way. He knew two

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Speaker 1: and a half weeks before I went to the trip,

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Speaker 1: and I made it clear he wasn't coming. So with

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Speaker 1: all that information, Mick, I pose it to you again.

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Speaker 1: Is ope he the a whole?

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Speaker 2: No, not the ahole. But I do think she she

632
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Speaker 2: thinks that he wants to be in for the free trip.

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Speaker 2: I'd actually disagree. I think he wants to be there

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Speaker 2: because here without her right next to him, he's just

635
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: an insecure guy. I I actually don't think it has

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Speaker 2: to do with the money at all, and I could

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Speaker 2: be wrong.

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Speaker 1: I would agree that I probably doesn't have to do

639
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: with the money. I think he maybe just wants to

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00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: be integrated into the family. It could be that too.

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00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: He's as a psycho, I mean bro like to like

642
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: to respond after not being invited to a trip to steal,

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Speaker 1: destroy and like just cause a ruckus op. He dodged

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Speaker 1: a bullet because that only would have gotten worse. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you don't do that, But you know what you always do.

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Speaker 2: You always subscribe. That's what I do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you publicly subscribed okop on YouTube and on the

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Speaker 1: video I married my step bro blew a two hundred

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Speaker 1: k college fund and stole my dead mother's jewelry. We

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Speaker 1: have some comments from our beautiful public subscribers. LPN student

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Speaker 1: one says, I gave my hobby a list of stones, cuts, settings,

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Speaker 1: and medals for him to pick from when picking my

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Speaker 1: engagement ring. So basically this avoids getting a wrong engagement

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Speaker 1: ring like someone did In this set of stories.

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Speaker 1: Young said, I think a traditional ring is supposed to

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Speaker 1: be three months wages, but that's like nineteen fifties ideals.

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Speaker 1: I think that sounds about right, right, Mac, three months

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Speaker 1: wedding ring, three months salary in three months. Yeah, spend

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Speaker 1: on a ring? Would you spend on a ring?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: What? I actually already have a ring? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Is it like a family heirloom?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So nice. I just need to get my my

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Speaker 2: mom sold one of the stones in it, so I

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Speaker 2: just need to get a replacement for that. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: pretty much good. I just need to find that that

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Speaker 2: a lady.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, if you're single and you want, we want Mick.

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Speaker 1: He's open as of I actually we're both single, so

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Speaker 1: please dm us at our respective instagrams. And then, finally,

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Speaker 1: Mikayla four four nine oh says in response to the

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Speaker 1: Sarah ring story, as someone who is married, the cost

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Speaker 1: of the ring should be whatever you're comfortable with spending,

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Speaker 1: whether that is zero or one hundred thousand dollars. Everyone's

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Speaker 1: budget is different and it's not the amount that's spent

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Speaker 1: on the ring that's important. Thank you all for public

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