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Speaker 1: I'm Dan Hansas with me some heroes, Greg rosval Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: and I know boys that your teams were not on
Speaker 1: the right side of the Ledger on this Sunday, but
Speaker 1: I do. I have to say I'm in a good
Speaker 1: mood because the Jets weren't involved and that's where we're
Speaker 1: at with my fan and when they don't play, my
Speaker 1: life's better. Maybe that's something. Maybe the Chris Westling dossier
Speaker 1: about the Bengals like this is kind of what he
Speaker 1: was getting at more above the treetops that said I'll
Speaker 1: never leave my fandom, but I get why it's probably
Speaker 1: a healthier move. I always thought moving to the West
Speaker 1: Coast from the East Coast where we all grew up. Um,
Speaker 1: the games start at ten am, and you know, typically
Speaker 1: the Jets and Browns and Patriots would be on at
Speaker 1: ten am, and you'd go back in the day before
Speaker 1: we started doing this, I'd go watch them the Browns
Speaker 1: get Shelax somewhere. But the great thing was you're you know,
Speaker 1: the the butt kicking ends around one pm, and you
Speaker 1: still have the rest of your Sunday. Uh. When you're here,
Speaker 1: you're sort of still just doused in the ill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's you got people laughing and giggling throughout
Speaker 1: the office. I don't know what you're talking about. First
Speaker 1: of all, I only see I mean as a as
Speaker 1: an l A like fan was two thousand one, you know,
Speaker 1: the greatest, But you've had a broad I was gonna
Speaker 1: say the Patriots, Yeah, sure they lost, but have you
Speaker 1: noticed they leave the league in moral victories? And I'm
Speaker 1: more of like a fan of football. I'm like Rob Low,
Speaker 1: you know, with the the NFL on the on, it's
Speaker 1: like they're really providing great entertainment, great ratings, and big
Speaker 1: time games. So I think the Patriots are winners. I
Speaker 1: feel like you've taken a pill and you're saying exactly
Speaker 1: what certain people want you to say. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: Week six in the NFL, we're gonna go through every game.
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Speaker 1: I think we need to stop the marks back for
Speaker 1: each iteration of what we do. I think it's people.
Speaker 1: It's probably tiring Thursday Night recap. This Thursday, Thursday Night
Speaker 1: recap with an underman Browns team and a virtual must win,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going to have a good Mark
Speaker 1: Sesler show lined up. Will happen. It's actually you don't
Speaker 1: have to even do it. It's gonna be Mark and
Speaker 1: Ernest Biner for Broncos Browns. We can pull it off.
Speaker 1: You can have the night off time. I would marinate
Speaker 1: in that. All right, let's get to it. Let's start,
Speaker 1: yes with the moral victory of the day. It went
Speaker 1: down at Gillette Stadium. Flight fake boot to the right,
Speaker 1: looking down the pail, lamp him five victory. The ghosts
Speaker 1: are exorcized. Brad Sham the sham God k R with
Speaker 1: the call for the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: connected with Ceedee Lamb on a thirty five yard touchdown
Speaker 1: passing overtime, the winning score in a win for the
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys over the Patriots. The Cowboys have now
Speaker 1: won five straight games, and then this one. They overcame
Speaker 1: a litany of mistakes penalties for the most part, some
Speaker 1: turnovers as well, and they outlast. Yes, there are no
Speaker 1: moral victories in our league, but it was a very
Speaker 1: game Patriots team that battled in this game and greg
Speaker 1: one of the most exciting games of the year broke
Speaker 1: out out of nowhere. The Cowboys dominated for most of
Speaker 1: the contest and regulation, then uh the game changed with
Speaker 1: three touchdowns and four minutes of play in the fourth quarter. Uh.
Speaker 1: And in the end Pat's got the ball, couldn't do
Speaker 1: anything in overtime, and then the Cowboys took over. It
Speaker 1: felt inevitable, at least to me. After the fourth and
Speaker 1: four Layton regulation, Patriots trying to get the Cowboys off
Speaker 1: the field and Dak Prescott drops back to pass and
Speaker 1: Matthew Judan wins with an inside spin move immediately like
Speaker 1: that was the play, That was the move that you
Speaker 1: gave Matthew Judan all that money for. He could have
Speaker 1: been the hero. He is on Dak Prescott and under
Speaker 1: two seconds Dak sees it, gets rid of the ball
Speaker 1: a little quicker than he wants and delivers a perfect
Speaker 1: throw that only Cedric Wilson could catch. And Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: makes an even better play to get it. I know,
Speaker 1: I know a lot happened after that. I know Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy tried to give it away. I know Nelson Agilar
Speaker 1: gave it away. I know Bill Belichick, you know, crawled
Speaker 1: up like a little turtle into a shell, like like
Speaker 1: he's doing for much of this season. But I think
Speaker 1: it comes down, dude, no one's playing quarterback better than
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, and I feel like the Cowboys offense can
Speaker 1: overcome so much, and today he did. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: we have to now look at the Cowboys as a
Speaker 1: legitimate Super Bowl uh contender. That's what they are. And
Speaker 1: Doak is playing as well as anyone in the league.
Speaker 1: And I think the game raises your opinion of everyone
Speaker 1: that played quarterback because Matt Jones, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: as a first year rookie to come back with the
Speaker 1: ice cold CounterPunch on that throat, on that throat to
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne the seventy yard or after the after the
Speaker 1: pick six, and you know you could see someone else
Speaker 1: crumbling there. It was. You know, it's a tough one
Speaker 1: for New England. But if you're a Patriots fan, I
Speaker 1: know Greg is basically taking the Patriots and throw them
Speaker 1: off a Cliff. At this point, you've got to say,
Speaker 1: I mean long, long term. I mean, you have to
Speaker 1: be very encouraged by Mac Jones. But if you're a
Speaker 1: Cowboys fan and it's been a while for them too,
Speaker 1: you're looking at something special. Intel. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: we all kind of saw the Cowboys even entering this
Speaker 1: week as uh, legit NFC contender to make it out
Speaker 1: of the conference, get back to the super Bowl for
Speaker 1: the first time in a quarter century. Um So, in
Speaker 1: its own way, this game, even though they didn't play
Speaker 1: um you know, the cleanest brand of football. This is
Speaker 1: different than other Cowboys teams as well, where you don't
Speaker 1: play your best game where you shoot you yourself in
Speaker 1: the foot constantly and some and you still find a
Speaker 1: way to get a get the job done. And yeah,
Speaker 1: Dak the throws that he made um in crunch time.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Patriots had I think three different chances
Speaker 1: to win this game in regulation on that final field
Speaker 1: goal drive, and every time Dak stepped up, including the
Speaker 1: huge downfield connection. I think it was a twenty five
Speaker 1: yard strike the Ceedee Lamb on third and twenty six
Speaker 1: that got them into field goal range. So you know,
Speaker 1: we also have and this is a little inside baseball.
Speaker 1: But uh, in the newsroom here I recently discovered we
Speaker 1: have access to the truck feed. The truck feed which
Speaker 1: shows you the telecast, Um, no commercial breaks. You see
Speaker 1: all the raw feed. And we saw Dak limping significantly
Speaker 1: going into the tunnel after the game with a big
Speaker 1: smile on his face. Um, but that is something to
Speaker 1: watch your Again. This is a guy coming off a
Speaker 1: serious leg injury. Wonder you wonder if it's connected, but
Speaker 1: either way, he was unstoppable when accounted. It's also a
Speaker 1: guy that throughout hard knocks basically told anyone bringing up
Speaker 1: his injury, go f you, because I'm going to get
Speaker 1: back on the field. So I don't I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna see him next week. Well, I found it interesting
Speaker 1: the Patriots seemed to really load up and try to
Speaker 1: stop the Cowboys running game and see what else could happen.
Speaker 1: J C. Jackson was in man coverage. Man, he's he's
Speaker 1: made himself a lot of money this year. Like j C.
Speaker 1: Jackson's playing great, and he did he did for the
Speaker 1: most part in this game. But they almost stared the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you know, to move the ball with throwing it up
Speaker 1: and down the field and then cosm mistakes and they did.
Speaker 1: But the moral victories that you know, I said it
Speaker 1: with you know, tongue in cheek. They've had chances to
Speaker 1: win these games. You know, you get the ball in overtime.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe you don't get a call here, but
Speaker 1: you had the Agilar drop and then you get the
Speaker 1: ball late in the first half, and you get the
Speaker 1: ball even with twenty five seconds left. I know it's nothing,
Speaker 1: but Belichick sits on it. It bothered me more with
Speaker 1: nineties seconds left in the first half. Also, even punting
Speaker 1: on fourth and three. I think the way that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense was moving the ball on the field goal
Speaker 1: wins the game here. I would they hated them going
Speaker 1: for that either. I know that hands it over to him.
Speaker 1: But you you've seen a very conservative trying to win,
Speaker 1: like it's two thousand one style from the Patriots, and
Speaker 1: it's gotten them pretty close to beating the Bucks. It's
Speaker 1: gotten them pretty close to beating the Cowboys, but they
Speaker 1: didn't win either game. It's also like this game, they
Speaker 1: had fourteen plays in the first half and forty five
Speaker 1: in all of regulation before overtime. A bit of an apiration.
Speaker 1: Very strange game because the Patriots scored fourteen points on
Speaker 1: their first seven plays from scrimmage, then went totally in
Speaker 1: the tank in the second quarter, shot out, third quarters, shutout,
Speaker 1: came to life and scored fifteen and the fourth uh
Speaker 1: to take the lead. But it was not meant to be,
Speaker 1: I thought. On the Dallas side here I mentioned it
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson. It won't really jump out to you in
Speaker 1: the box score because he finished four forty two on
Speaker 1: seven targets, but I was surprised and multiple big spots
Speaker 1: in this game. UH dak went to Wilson and he
Speaker 1: came through for them and then ceedee lamb. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people, myself included, saw this as his
Speaker 1: breakout year where he was gonna go a hundred for
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred yards and twelve touchdowns, and he might still
Speaker 1: end up that way, but it's been quiet at times.
Speaker 1: Nine for one, nine and two touchdowns on eleven target.
Speaker 1: That's big boy, big boy pass performance, including the game winners.
Speaker 1: So you know football Trayvon Diggs getting to pick six
Speaker 1: to look like he's gonna win, you know, to win
Speaker 1: the game when he's trying to get defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year. Seven interception six games. That's just insane. Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy appearing to make every wrong choice he possibly can,
Speaker 1: kicking the field goal with two and a half minutes
Speaker 1: to go that looked like that could have cost him.
Speaker 1: And when the Patriots like scored on their seventy five
Speaker 1: yard touchdown pass on the very next play, I said, well,
Speaker 1: it's almost like they scored too quick the only way
Speaker 1: you're just not gonna stop this Cowboys offense. And they
Speaker 1: got close, They got close a couple of times, but
Speaker 1: it didn't happen. You know, I defend McCarthy more than
Speaker 1: anyone on the show. I'm the only one that sometimes does,
Speaker 1: because he is the head coach of this team that's
Speaker 1: five one everybody's in love with. But then when you
Speaker 1: see things like that, it's fourth and one with this offense,
Speaker 1: and you settle for a fifty one yard field goal
Speaker 1: late in the four quarter and Trayvon Digs bailed you
Speaker 1: out with the pick six on the next series. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter, because it's that type of stuff that
Speaker 1: you wonder in the crucible the playoffs, if McCarthy's got
Speaker 1: another one of these up as sleeve. Uh, and I
Speaker 1: understand if you're a Cowboys fan who's nervous even taking
Speaker 1: a time out before the zer line game time field
Speaker 1: goal with twenty seconds left, when you could have just
Speaker 1: let it go to five seconds. It's just someone who's
Speaker 1: a little overwhelmed by the moment when it comes to game.
Speaker 1: The school you're not running the offense the defense, then
Speaker 1: you gotta be good at that. That's the school it
Speaker 1: comes from it. I mean, that's who they knew they
Speaker 1: were hiring. I do wonder if you're Kellen Moore, do
Speaker 1: you have like text threads with longtime friends saying this
Speaker 1: stuff drives me nuts because it's like it's Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1: I I will make the announcement here Kellen Moore will
Speaker 1: be the next Dallas Cowboys head coach. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's gonna be at some point he will just
Speaker 1: take over for Mike McCarthy. Could have been right. It
Speaker 1: might be like I'm gonna I'm gonna take a job
Speaker 1: somewhere else if you don't hire me. Although they control
Speaker 1: whether or not he's allowed to interview Um and Mark,
Speaker 1: I will make some news. I can guarantee Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: is not playing next week. The Cowboys are on by
Speaker 1: got you baby, let's roll that was affect got you
Speaker 1: another overtime lock there for hands locking up, baby drest
Speaker 1: Come on, great digger, give it to me, give me
Speaker 1: my lock. I earned those, sorry, great bigger filling in
Speaker 1: for Ricky. There it is all right. Now it's hit
Speaker 1: the Jackson fake the hand off looking at zone fires, touchdown,
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews and Ravens put up six more points. Jerry
Speaker 1: Sandusky with the call for w B a l Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson threw for Bucks sixty seven and a touchdown. Not
Speaker 1: too impressive, but guess what didn't need to be. The
Speaker 1: Ravens defense shut down Justin Herbert and the Charger's final
Speaker 1: score thirty four six. Greggy. The Bolts could not be
Speaker 1: stopped against the Browns on offense, and it was just
Speaker 1: a totally different story in this one. It was insane.
Speaker 1: I saw Usta after the game that Justin Herbert was
Speaker 1: pressured on thirty three of his forty two dropbacks three
Speaker 1: times in a single game. I've never seen anything like that,
Speaker 1: and they all weren't deep drops. I mean sometimes this
Speaker 1: is a pretty quick throwing offense. Now they got stuck
Speaker 1: in third and long quite a bit, and they've been
Speaker 1: so good on third and long and so good on
Speaker 1: fourth down. Maybe it was time for aggression to happen.
Speaker 1: But regression works the other way too, sometimes there's positive regression.
Speaker 1: And to me, the Ravens is running game and their
Speaker 1: defense has been mediocre all year or worse, and in
Speaker 1: this game they look like the old Ravens where they're
Speaker 1: blowing up holes where it almost seemed like they were
Speaker 1: challenging how big a hole do we need for Devanty
Speaker 1: Freeman and Latavious Murray and Levy on Belts to get
Speaker 1: through because it has to be huge and the place
Speaker 1: take forever to develop, and guess what, they were big enough.
Speaker 1: And the defense, as I mentioned with the pressure, was
Speaker 1: old raven style defense to the point where as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: Lamar didn't need to do too much he wont He
Speaker 1: made some big plays from the pocket, but it was
Speaker 1: the run game, it was their defense. And I think,
Speaker 1: if you're the rest of the a f C, the
Speaker 1: idea that the Ravens have gotten a little lucky to
Speaker 1: get out to this four and one start, but I
Speaker 1: have a lot of room for improvement moving forward. They
Speaker 1: are a very scared look at my locks. This season
Speaker 1: off to the fast start. Some people say, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: a little lucky, but the just improvement is on its way.
Speaker 1: That's one of the biggest stories in the on the
Speaker 1: sports scene. But Mark being back in the studio is
Speaker 1: so great just for the look on his face that
Speaker 1: he had right there. It was not discussed. It's just
Speaker 1: like it's you know, we will spend the show in
Speaker 1: various forms of self promotion, and there that's the first.
Speaker 1: By the way, Greg, I mean that running on the
Speaker 1: chargers has not been a huge tour for teams this year.
Speaker 1: I mean the Browns had two thirty last week, the
Speaker 1: Chiefs had a hundred and eighties six, The Cowboys had
Speaker 1: a hundred nineties six, So that's a weak spot for them.
Speaker 1: But I think the Ravens, you were dealing with a
Speaker 1: completely new crop of running backs. You've had issues along
Speaker 1: the offensive line. They've had a month now to get
Speaker 1: into shape, and to me, I mean, it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many other ways they can win games
Speaker 1: to provide enough proof for everyone watching, this was the
Speaker 1: most completely to win thirty four to six against a
Speaker 1: good team. You know, a lot of people including myself,
Speaker 1: that the Charges will win this game. That is that's different,
Speaker 1: and that is scary. And you're right about the run
Speaker 1: defense for the Charges because Matt money Smith was sitting
Speaker 1: in your chair one of those weeks and look, he
Speaker 1: pointed chair. You know it is your chair. You I
Speaker 1: am a green, he said, Like their defense is sort
Speaker 1: of designed to funnel runs. You know, they want you
Speaker 1: to run the ball. But there's a point and they
Speaker 1: were missing they want you to run for two d
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Like they were missing two linebackers today,
Speaker 1: Tranquil and kause youre white. They don't have anyone in
Speaker 1: their front seven who's good except for Joey Bosa. That's
Speaker 1: a that ends up being a pretty big problem as
Speaker 1: they keep continuing down the season. Um. Yes, they were
Speaker 1: in total control of this matchup. All three of their
Speaker 1: veteran running backs on Tavius Murray, Levan Bell, and Devanta
Speaker 1: Freeman score touchdowns, Bell wearing number seventeen. Just it's hard
Speaker 1: to watch. Even his touchdown took like it was like
Speaker 1: a three yard run that took like an hour. Patient
Speaker 1: that patient, but no Herbert yards touchdown in a pick.
Speaker 1: Give them pass. They've been great all year. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: have a bad week. This is the bad week for
Speaker 1: the Chargers or is there something more to read into here? Well,
Speaker 1: I think the defense is what I'm concerned about. The
Speaker 1: offensive line, we'll see if that continues. Yeah, I almost
Speaker 1: thought like it was good for him to he had
Speaker 1: a bad game too. He missed throws, he made bad
Speaker 1: decisions on those thirty three times he was pressured. He
Speaker 1: averaged one point one yards per tempt on this place,
Speaker 1: so he was not coming up with the answers that
Speaker 1: he usually does. The defense is what I am concerned
Speaker 1: about because I just don't think they're rounding into anything
Speaker 1: but way below average, which is not what Brandon's Daley expected.
Speaker 1: All Right, So the Ravens, they really make a statement there.
Speaker 1: In week six, Greg and I have some breaking news
Speaker 1: breaking as we're just talking about the Dallas Cowboys and
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and the truck feed and the limp heard
Speaker 1: around the world. It's a calf strain suffered by Dak
Speaker 1: on that final play of the game, and he will
Speaker 1: be reevaluated with an m R I to come on Monday.
Speaker 1: Like I said, they have a bye sometimes year like
Speaker 1: that's maybe it's the Cowboys. Yes, what I said was
Speaker 1: two weeks for us not to worry about it now.
Speaker 1: But we'll see a calf can be tricky and we'll
Speaker 1: see what the Mr I comes up with their um.
Speaker 1: All right, let us move on. Daryll Williams along set up.
Speaker 1: They take it to him. Let's quick cast touch store
Speaker 1: turns a city on the quick slant at the back
Speaker 1: of the end zone, off play action tie prekill and
Speaker 1: the Cheetah finds the sweeten neck or the end zone.
Speaker 1: When the Chiefs needed the most, Mitch hold us with
Speaker 1: the call w d a F. Has the glow returned?
Speaker 1: Maybe not, but Patrick Mahomes got his act together in
Speaker 1: the second half on Sunday, leading three touchdown drives to
Speaker 1: make up for two turnovers in the first half, and
Speaker 1: he led the Chiefs to a thirty one to thirteen
Speaker 1: come back win at Washington. The defending a f C
Speaker 1: champions get back to five hundred with the win, and
Speaker 1: uh came out a game where in the first half
Speaker 1: he threw his seventh and eighth interceptions of the year
Speaker 1: he threw six all of the last season, and the
Speaker 1: second one, which happened late in the first half with
Speaker 1: seconds to play on a third down deep in Washington territory.
Speaker 1: He muffs the snap and Shotgun picks it up and
Speaker 1: then kind of has like a panic where he just
Speaker 1: throws it up for grabs and it gets intercepted. And
Speaker 1: you're just thinking yourself, what is going on with the
Speaker 1: Chiefs this season? Because Mahomes that was probably the worst
Speaker 1: play of his career, you could argue, and you just wonder,
Speaker 1: is this really going to go sideways? Well, at least
Speaker 1: for this week, they got it together, and uh, Mark,
Speaker 1: the Washington football team is a good team to get
Speaker 1: healthy on against on offense. What you would never said
Speaker 1: before the season started, But that's just the way it is.
Speaker 1: Because we saw it again. As the big place piled
Speaker 1: up for Casey in the second half, Washington looked increasingly
Speaker 1: confused about what the hell was going on on the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, the the Washington defense, which has been under
Speaker 1: fire by you know, analysts rightly so gave up four
Speaker 1: d and nine nine yards. So the glow is off.
Speaker 1: A team that had five hundred yards, put up thirty
Speaker 1: one points, had twenty nine first downs and a really
Speaker 1: bad play from Patrick Mahomes. I just I guess it's
Speaker 1: like October. What sixteenth or something. I want to wait
Speaker 1: a little bit more time before today's oct Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's there are facts that I'm missing. What
Speaker 1: do you want to wait for? I mean, I am
Speaker 1: not going to you know, drive home and maybe you know,
Speaker 1: veer off the high way over with concerns about the
Speaker 1: chiefs of the I mean, I am like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: saying this is this is, this is right. The Washington
Speaker 1: Football teams maybe the worst team in the league other
Speaker 1: than you know, the Jaguars, the Lions of Texans. You know,
Speaker 1: there's one of the worst teams. Okay, that's a better
Speaker 1: way to say it there. But they're they're there for
Speaker 1: me because they're asking Tyler Taylor Heineke to try to
Speaker 1: keep up with this dreadful defense. It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: The Mahomes pushback is driving me a little crazy. First
Speaker 1: of all, that first pick was another drop, So he's
Speaker 1: had three picks. Three of those picks were dropped, and
Speaker 1: a few of them were these third down desperation places
Speaker 1: which you shouldn't make. This play reminded me a lot
Speaker 1: of the Ravens interception, which was which is one of
Speaker 1: the worst places of his career too. But I saw
Speaker 1: multiple tweets today. One mentioned his mother that she couldn't
Speaker 1: make an excuse for this. I guess she was tweeting
Speaker 1: about it. Um that one wasn't This wasn't wasn't like
Speaker 1: his mom can't blame it on uh, someone else? And
Speaker 1: then it asked the question has the league figured Patrick
Speaker 1: mohomes out? Wait? Who's tweeting this? Someone who I had
Speaker 1: to block, who has a lot of follows, who has
Speaker 1: a lot of followers. I blocked him just because sometimes
Speaker 1: your take is so bad, you don't get muted, you
Speaker 1: get blocked. Uh. And then spot Rack, which I love,
Speaker 1: did a tweet halfway through the game. Again, don't up
Speaker 1: spot spot Rack. You know that I like. Don't tweet
Speaker 1: halfway through games too much. Uh. They put up something
Speaker 1: about how much money he has left on his contract
Speaker 1: and how much is fully guaranteed, as if the contract
Speaker 1: was a problem. Just shut up. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: They are literally first in the league in in yards
Speaker 1: and points per drive this year. I just want to
Speaker 1: point that out, Just want to point that out. I'm
Speaker 1: with you, although I'm after your your tirade. There, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I would say it's fifty Dan that I've been
Speaker 1: blocked by Gregg. It's something if I not annoyed him,
Speaker 1: I won't say who it is, but if you want to,
Speaker 1: just like I was able to put together the clues
Speaker 1: based on Greg's commentary, you could find did and said
Speaker 1: that person probably or maybe or possibly is listening, and
Speaker 1: Greg is just she's just burning more bridges left and right.
Speaker 1: But then then have better takes than that. That's a
Speaker 1: it's a terrible take, because yes, if you are really
Speaker 1: watching the games, uh, you're not seeing a league that's
Speaker 1: figuring out Mahomes. You're seeing a little bit of a
Speaker 1: wonky start to the season, some bad luck and then
Speaker 1: some pressing. And I thought the interception at the end
Speaker 1: of the second quarter, which is why I was just
Speaker 1: like scratching my head, is like, man, one of you
Speaker 1: seen mahomes um look kind of scatter brained in a
Speaker 1: moment like that, and it just doesn't happen a lot.
Speaker 1: So I thought the second half here was very important,
Speaker 1: uh for the Chiefs in terms of just okay, let's
Speaker 1: calm things down. We're back to five. The Chargers just
Speaker 1: got their ass beat, uh, so they're not going to
Speaker 1: run away and hide on us. We have a chance
Speaker 1: to get this thing under control. Uh So I think
Speaker 1: it's not a win that solves all their problems, but
Speaker 1: it's a very nice victory to take. Uh. Moving forward, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm not even trying to say there aren't problems.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, let's use the context that he's coming
Speaker 1: off the best first three seasons as a starter in
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL three years ago, that's three
Speaker 1: years from now. He's going to make this interception that
Speaker 1: has everyone you know, mildly melting well that it would
Speaker 1: be the one time he's done that. I take it all, right, Uh,
Speaker 1: let's take a break and then we'll bring in the pipe.
Speaker 1: Second and thirteen, Cousins shotgun looking to the left, steps
Speaker 1: up in the pocket. He'll fade to the end zone
Speaker 1: for kJ touchdown. Seven Minnesota games have walked off on
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. Paul Allen with the call K and
Speaker 1: cut Cousins completed a twenty seven yard touchdown past the
Speaker 1: kJ osbourne on the first possession of overtime, lifting the
Speaker 1: Vikings to win over the Panthers, who were oh and three.
Speaker 1: Since they're three and oh, start now we welcome in
Speaker 1: as promised. Nick Shook the Pipe, who had eyes on
Speaker 1: this game and wrote about it for NFL dot Com Shookie.
Speaker 1: For the second straight week, the Vikings gagged away a
Speaker 1: fourth quarter lead, and for the second straight week, they
Speaker 1: found a way. They found a way after I would
Speaker 1: say two to two and a half quarters of some
Speaker 1: of the most frustrating football you're ever gonna watch. If
Speaker 1: you're a traditionalist, you say, well, that's just great defense.
Speaker 1: But if you're a realist, you realize that it was
Speaker 1: one offense struggling to move the ball against a good defense,
Speaker 1: and the other offense struggling to do anything because it's
Speaker 1: quarterback couldn't get out of its own way and they
Speaker 1: were missing the best playmaker on offense. And then that
Speaker 1: all didn't matter. Suddenly, within the course of a blocked
Speaker 1: punt and a fourth quarter, everything just flew off the handle.
Speaker 1: We ended up in overtime of a game that I
Speaker 1: didn't even know if we'd ever actually get to the
Speaker 1: end of because it was so quiet in Bank of
Speaker 1: America Stadium that I thought people might just fall asleep.
Speaker 1: Uh completely turned it on it on its head and
Speaker 1: became a thrilling game. But yeah, Um, you know, we
Speaker 1: got a thrilling overtime finish, and really it was a
Speaker 1: product to the fact that the Vikings don't know how
Speaker 1: to close the game. There was game too, and he
Speaker 1: was very frustrated at the page to your point, Nick
Speaker 1: that like you know, it's it's sitting there and overtime, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, with it And I'm watching the Browns Cardinals
Speaker 1: game first quarter end, so it waged on and I
Speaker 1: think if you watched the end of the game, you'd
Speaker 1: think differently about Kirk Cousins and the Vikings off winch,
Speaker 1: which you're right, was extremely frustrating and went into a
Speaker 1: deep slumber for long stretches of this game. And Sam
Speaker 1: Donald spent three plus quarters convincing you that he's not
Speaker 1: going to be able to carry the Panthers through this
Speaker 1: season unless they get Christian McCaffrey back for the rest
Speaker 1: of the year when he comes back from his injury.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but but but nothing like that, right,
Speaker 1: I mean that's six un answered points and stormed back.
Speaker 1: But they really looked troubled for a big chunk of
Speaker 1: this game. Yeah. I think at one point for on
Speaker 1: the Panthers side, Sam Donald had as many completions overall
Speaker 1: as Adam DeLand. DeLand had receptions, they both had eight,
Speaker 1: he did and Dan and I noticed that that Darnald
Speaker 1: at one point um was so off targeted through an
Speaker 1: oh you overthrew a pass into the end zone area
Speaker 1: and Gray's day woman, Yes, an attractive one, young woman
Speaker 1: took but he and she was she wasn't really watching
Speaker 1: the game closely, and it's it's surprised her. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: and Donald kind of saved saved himself with a ninety
Speaker 1: six yard drive there they convert a fourth and forever
Speaker 1: from his own goal line and then march all the
Speaker 1: way down the field get the two point conversion. So
Speaker 1: it kind of saves Donald for a lot of criticism
Speaker 1: this week. But he'll finish with a couple of turnovers, right,
Speaker 1: So it's like for me right now, like listen, nobody's
Speaker 1: breaking news here that Sam Donald is not a guy
Speaker 1: it's gonna be able to carry this team by himself,
Speaker 1: and which ties in, I think, and it connects to
Speaker 1: the Panthers watching the Christian McCaffrey situation here. There's no
Speaker 1: way around it that they know how important he is
Speaker 1: to the offense, so they kind of set things up
Speaker 1: in a way where they try to get him back
Speaker 1: maybe sooner. They didn't put him on I R initially. Obviously,
Speaker 1: now there's a setback because now he's back on I
Speaker 1: R or he finally heads that I R, and now
Speaker 1: he's back week nine at the earliest. So now you're
Speaker 1: in a situation, Shoki, where you have Sam Donald's gonna
Speaker 1: be out there alone with Robby Anderson who has very
Speaker 1: little chemistry with all of a sudden, and you need
Speaker 1: DJ more to step up week to week. None of
Speaker 1: this really points in a great direction, especially when the
Speaker 1: league best as it was set up to us going
Speaker 1: into this game. Panthers D got shredded today by the Vikings.
Speaker 1: I thought we were tossing those rankings out. No, this
Speaker 1: is uh. This is an example of two defining traits
Speaker 1: of the David Tepper Panthers and really the Matt Rule
Speaker 1: Panthers so far. It's one they don't know how to
Speaker 1: manage Christian McCaffrey injuries. They didn't really manage it very
Speaker 1: well last year either, if you go back and think
Speaker 1: about that, when they probably should have shut him down
Speaker 1: in a lost season and toyed with it and toyed
Speaker 1: with it and toy with it until the final few weeks.
Speaker 1: And also they're hyper aggressive because they thought, you know,
Speaker 1: they get out to the three and other start and
Speaker 1: they're like, we have to capitalize on this. We're gonna
Speaker 1: make moves, you know, We're gonna make trades and so
Speaker 1: on and so forth. And ultimately, what do you get.
Speaker 1: You get a team that's still it's fate rests on
Speaker 1: the shoulders and on the arm of Sam Donald who
Speaker 1: does not have his best player because you can't manage
Speaker 1: his health effectively. And this is what you get. And
Speaker 1: I know they got to overtime and they almost won
Speaker 1: the game, and they should be commended for fighting because
Speaker 1: they were down eleven in the fourth quarter. But man,
Speaker 1: I have a debate ongoing with a buddy, which three
Speaker 1: and O team is for real or less real than
Speaker 1: the other one. And right now between the Broncos and
Speaker 1: the Panthers, I think the Panthers are losing that battle,
Speaker 1: and games like today kind of tell me that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I still look at the Panthers like the
Speaker 1: Panthers has a well coached team. Um from the Vikings
Speaker 1: side real quick, because I know this drove Greg nuts
Speaker 1: that I put Mike Zimmer in that Mike McCarthy category
Speaker 1: where this is not a cutting edge um time clock
Speaker 1: manager or sort of late game decision guy, but also
Speaker 1: positive for the Vikings. kJ Osborne, I mean, like you
Speaker 1: start to realize that this wide receiver group is dangerous,
Speaker 1: and to talk about the Vikings going to sleep, You're
Speaker 1: still getting moments from Kirk Cousins, and I know that
Speaker 1: the probably the experience will end at some point with
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins in Minnesota. He's playing really well when he
Speaker 1: when things are going good for the vis he's great.
Speaker 1: He's very good. And Osborne has won them a couple
Speaker 1: of these aims with the plays that he is a
Speaker 1: legit number three. You have multiple chances to put the
Speaker 1: Panthers away late in the game. And Mike Zimmers still
Speaker 1: coaching like he's coaching some elite defense and that it's
Speaker 1: you know, two thousand and two or something like that.
Speaker 1: All he had to do was call a couple of
Speaker 1: passes and let Kirk Cousins win on first or second
Speaker 1: down on some of the last drives, and then you
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had to go to overtime. Sam Donald only
Speaker 1: got a chance because Mike Zimmers running on third and long.
Speaker 1: It's like, let let your best players make the plays
Speaker 1: like thelan Jefferson Cousins. Let him make that. I do
Speaker 1: enjoy being back in the office just to hear Greg's temperature.
Speaker 1: I guess to to to see temperature just rising. It's
Speaker 1: always these tough guy head coaches to like like we're
Speaker 1: gonna be really tough. And then they coached pretty scared,
Speaker 1: like they coached like they're afraid to lose. So that
Speaker 1: part I don't get. Yeah, it's exactly what. You're exactly right.
Speaker 1: He's coaching not to lose. And the funny thing too, is,
Speaker 1: you know we talked about five hundred and seventy yards
Speaker 1: a total offense and and how it didn't look like
Speaker 1: that at all. Here's another stat for you that people
Speaker 1: won't realize when they talk about Kirk Cousins. He's thrown
Speaker 1: three or more touchdowns and zero interceptions in five of
Speaker 1: his last games. He has eleven such instances in which
Speaker 1: he's done that since only one quarterback has done that more,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. And yet Kirk doesn't get kept and sometimes
Speaker 1: he doesn't get the ball's hands to go do it
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen again. Everyone's gonna bury Kirk Cousins during
Speaker 1: the season, during the off season. Then you look at
Speaker 1: his stats, like, oh, what do you do last year?
Speaker 1: He's probably like one touchdowns, three picks, pass rating eight seven. No,
Speaker 1: he's gonna throw for thirty seven touchdowns and twelve interceptions
Speaker 1: and throw for forty seven hundred yards. And uh, he
Speaker 1: is not the problem in Minnesota, never has been. He's
Speaker 1: a little annoying. I think that his shove of Zimmer
Speaker 1: actually was like my favorite thing Kirk Cousins has maybe
Speaker 1: ever dig now I'm all in on Kirk, yet highly
Speaker 1: awkward because he specializes in't highly awkward. My favorite Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins moment, other than his declaration that he would put
Speaker 1: himself in a plexiglass cube to protect himself from coronavirus
Speaker 1: instead of getting the coronavirus vaccine, was when he put
Speaker 1: up video of his own gender reveal his wife's was
Speaker 1: expecting and his job was to throw a football and
Speaker 1: hit the targets or reveal like blue or pink pluma,
Speaker 1: not his own gender, reveal the gender of I think
Speaker 1: that's established. Yeah, the child. Uh, and he basically missed
Speaker 1: the target with the ball, and they're like, let's throw
Speaker 1: it up live anyway, Let's put it up on the
Speaker 1: old Graham A retake on that, all right, Chooky, I
Speaker 1: know you. You told me You're in downtown Cleveland and
Speaker 1: there's some upset people outside the window, hopefully not climbing
Speaker 1: up to the window because some crazy, unfortunate stuff went
Speaker 1: down for your hometown Brownies on Sunday. Straight drop back
Speaker 1: for Kyler, steps up, lobs it back in the z
Speaker 1: quite open as Hopkins and a touchdown. Kyler stepping up
Speaker 1: again finds de Andre Hopkins and that's a big score
Speaker 1: late in the third to make a twenty nine of
Speaker 1: more team Dave pass k t a R with the
Speaker 1: call Kyler Murray's is it too soon Greg to talk
Speaker 1: about m v P marches because it's in full swagger mode.
Speaker 1: The Cardinals quarterback through four more touchdown passes without a
Speaker 1: pick in a thirty four win over A. Let's let's
Speaker 1: just call it an outclassed and beat up Brown's team
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. Mark Um watches next to you. You had
Speaker 1: a foreboding vibe from the start. You didn't feel good
Speaker 1: about it. And if you take out a Hail Mary.
Speaker 1: This thing was almost an embarrassment for the Browns. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but let's you know, the Cardinals a team
Speaker 1: that passes every test. I don't think that we understand
Speaker 1: how many challenges arise when you don't have your head coach, um,
Speaker 1: going to the game, when essentially your head coach is
Speaker 1: the only play call you have to apparently not that many. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing that completely made it look easy.
Speaker 1: And you have like Colt McCoy and Kyler Murray and
Speaker 1: a gaggle of coaches helping a call plays on the sideline,
Speaker 1: and they come pletely outclass Cleveland at the point where
Speaker 1: in the middle you know it had time thinking do
Speaker 1: I need to give a Super Bowl ticket to Jason Zumwalt,
Speaker 1: our our voiceover friend, our friend and our Cardinals fan,
Speaker 1: our resident Cardinals fan here because they looked that like
Speaker 1: that kind of team to me right now, it depends
Speaker 1: what kind of text he sent you today. Was nice
Speaker 1: about delightful, delightful. He's a classy guy too, Um, but
Speaker 1: you know, shook and eye texted a little bit during
Speaker 1: this too. And you know, this reminded me of the
Speaker 1: Browns because you remove both both tackles, right and left
Speaker 1: tackle not in this game, and you would Baker running
Speaker 1: for his life and it led to two killer strip sacks,
Speaker 1: eat a bad interception in this game. It just it
Speaker 1: reminded me of old chaotic times where everything that we've
Speaker 1: seen and observed of her Kevin Stefanski, that structure was
Speaker 1: missing today and the floor fell out. And you're playing
Speaker 1: a team that I think you know from a Cardinals side,
Speaker 1: just I mean DeAndre Hopkins three touchdowns, one where he
Speaker 1: was all alone in the end zone, total breakdown. They
Speaker 1: find a way to completely overwhelmed defenses. And in this case,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you guys got a little annoyed
Speaker 1: at me because it was like five minutes into the
Speaker 1: game and I just said, this thing is over. But
Speaker 1: Browns fans understand. And I think if you're white, you
Speaker 1: say that every Browns game for any time, they haven't said,
Speaker 1: I really haven't said that in a long long time,
Speaker 1: was scoreless and you said they are gonna get dropped today,
Speaker 1: and you were right, you were right. A lot of
Speaker 1: it has to do with the Cardinals and who they are.
Speaker 1: They're so aggressive, they're so resilient when they make a mistake.
Speaker 1: They don't care. They keep pressing, and today I think
Speaker 1: they basically said, forget the Cleveland Browns. Where the team
Speaker 1: you need to be talking about. Yeah, I mean Mark
Speaker 1: had great reason to feel that way because they just
Speaker 1: played an aggressive offense the week Prayer and got forty
Speaker 1: seven hung on him, and they were about as banged
Speaker 1: up going into this game this week, So there was
Speaker 1: no reason to feel otherwise or expect anything else. So
Speaker 1: so for this to be the product I was actually,
Speaker 1: come on both you Browns fans. Don't act like now
Speaker 1: that you were some everyone keeps I could care less.
Speaker 1: You're in your building. You're in your building. You have
Speaker 1: a great, great group of playmakers. I mean, let's not
Speaker 1: say like the little old Browns have no chance in
Speaker 1: this game. They got whooped in their building and then
Speaker 1: sometimes just get beat up. Well, no, not everybody picked them,
Speaker 1: because I didn't pick them. I picked the Cardinals. I
Speaker 1: don't know how they were possibly favored. You don't have
Speaker 1: Nike shub going to this game. You didn't have Jarvis Landry. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's right, I will stand on this. Uh, they didn't
Speaker 1: have Jarvis Landry. They did have both their tackles their
Speaker 1: center was questionable until the game today. You know, you
Speaker 1: went into the weekend questionable. You had a number of
Speaker 1: injuries and guys kind of coming back from injuring. The
Speaker 1: defensive side of the football, the Cardinals doesn't have Tyler
Speaker 1: Jones or their head coach, and they had ever They
Speaker 1: had Kyler Murray, and they had all of their top receivers.
Speaker 1: They had DeAndre Hopkins, Christian kirk a J. Green All
Speaker 1: who victimized the Browns as expected. James Conner had probably
Speaker 1: his best day as a Cardinal today. Uh, everything that
Speaker 1: happened was what I expected when I didn't expect that
Speaker 1: the Browns would fall apart even more than they did.
Speaker 1: Baker hanging onto the ball too long, getting strip sacked twice,
Speaker 1: reinjuring his shoulder. The interception was horrible, but I come
Speaker 1: to expect that from him every once in a while.
Speaker 1: It's just who he is. And then you have the
Speaker 1: most negative part of the game, which is losing Kareem
Speaker 1: Hunt to a non contact calf injury, which I'm you know,
Speaker 1: they sounded everyone was like, oh, it's not achilles. We're
Speaker 1: really optimistic. That's great news. Like a stretch and they
Speaker 1: played Thursday, and so we have no idea what sort
Speaker 1: of shape they'll be in, bad timing for the Thursday
Speaker 1: night game. Baker, by the way, after the game, his
Speaker 1: arms in a sling and he reaggravated the injury on
Speaker 1: a hit from J. J. Watt where he kind of
Speaker 1: got driven into the ground awkwardly right on that bad
Speaker 1: left shoulder. After the game, he said, when asked about
Speaker 1: how he was feeling, he said, feels like so he's
Speaker 1: pretty straightforward, but he wants to play. And Baker is
Speaker 1: a badass. He's a tough dude. Um, but the short
Speaker 1: turnaround here makes you think that case Keendom's in play
Speaker 1: for Week seven. Maybe. I mean he came back and
Speaker 1: played in this game. I think it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: pain management thing because the nature of those injuries. And
Speaker 1: I am no doctor, but I have suffered, and I'm
Speaker 1: not a quarterback either, but I have suffered Tory labor before.
Speaker 1: It can't really get that much worse, and it's his
Speaker 1: non throwing shoulders, so I think he could be able
Speaker 1: to manage it. I wasn't surprised to see him come
Speaker 1: back in the game. That's also kind of the guy
Speaker 1: he is. Um. But you're right. The short week, I
Speaker 1: think that they've got a long road ahead of them
Speaker 1: unless they can get healthy in a relatively quick fashion,
Speaker 1: which you know, you leave that up to medicine. It's
Speaker 1: it's not like you're just trying to bounce back from something.
Speaker 1: But I do want to say this. We've had some
Speaker 1: listeners in the last couple of weeks give us some
Speaker 1: some crap for not giving the Cardinals enough credit. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give them their flowers. They dominated this game.
Speaker 1: I don't think this was their statement win of the year.
Speaker 1: That was the Rams win because of all the guys
Speaker 1: in the problem. But the Titans, they have three of
Speaker 1: the best victories that any team has had all year.
Speaker 1: All three are on the road, all three were blowouts.
Speaker 1: Week one was such a stunner. I know it's the Titans,
Speaker 1: but the Titans are or a playoff team, and that
Speaker 1: that was huge. They destroyed the Rams and they destroyed
Speaker 1: the Browns. They they have to be Their coaching step
Speaker 1: has to be given a lot of credit. Like this
Speaker 1: offensive line, especially which doesn't look great on paper, always
Speaker 1: protects very well and they're getting the job done. It's
Speaker 1: helps when you're protecting Kyler Murray too, and I think
Speaker 1: they're just playing great football right now. Now you could
Speaker 1: say they got the benefit of I think there were
Speaker 1: six penalties and seven plays in one drive, but that
Speaker 1: was not the course of this game. They they dominated
Speaker 1: this game and I'll feel very confident picking them going
Speaker 1: forward no matter who they're playing. I mean, they're there's
Speaker 1: some they're basically legitimate. I do wonder if you're Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury or any coach, were suddenly your home on your
Speaker 1: couch and the team dominates, It's like, wait a minute, what, what? How?
Speaker 1: How do we need you? Are you important? I mean
Speaker 1: he is just stay home that well when we missed
Speaker 1: you in London? But did you send some of that
Speaker 1: when we were thriving in London and you were like
Speaker 1: do you do you know me at all? I spent
Speaker 1: the whole time thinking like I'm getting replaced by every
Speaker 1: other guy in the studio on every show. So this
Speaker 1: is troubling today. Were the same CBS three weeks from now? Um,
Speaker 1: all right, Chucky is it are you in danger? By
Speaker 1: the way, because unruly Cleveland fans that that sounds dangerous.
Speaker 1: Potentially you're a big man. You could you can fend
Speaker 1: for yourself though. Okay, so you said, I hope they
Speaker 1: don't climb up through a window. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: penthouse here. We're low level, but we're you gotta be
Speaker 1: spider Man to get up here because this is a
Speaker 1: very tall building. So we're okay. They're having said that,
Speaker 1: I'm still within ear shot, and I went to go
Speaker 1: make a pot of coffee right before h Sunday night
Speaker 1: football kicked off, and all I heard was people shouting
Speaker 1: and laying on the horns to get out of the
Speaker 1: traffic jams. And one guy just goes to the corner
Speaker 1: of the street I happened to be looking out there.
Speaker 1: He just looks up to this guy the night sky
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. He goes, I hate the Brown. This means
Speaker 1: good anything. We need to send you down there and
Speaker 1: do some on the street reporting in the future. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, war combat reporting. How about it? You like
Speaker 1: you have a pot of hot coffee you can throw
Speaker 1: out the window. Secondly, imagine being like a wayward Brown's
Speaker 1: fan of climbs up a wall and breaks into someone's
Speaker 1: apartment and it's Nick Shook standing there. I think that
Speaker 1: would be. It just got worse and that's you know,
Speaker 1: there's real, real fans in the Midwest and in western Ohio,
Speaker 1: anywhere in Ohio. What I mean, Mark kind of just suggested,
Speaker 1: maybe just this guy just pour some scalding coffee out
Speaker 1: of just for yelling ugly you have hot coffee at
Speaker 1: your side. I was just I was just saying that
Speaker 1: I assume that fan was returning from the game. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you sleep on, like when you go to a game
Speaker 1: and you you pay the hundreds of dollars for the
Speaker 1: ticket and the eighty dollars for parking and then the concessions,
Speaker 1: and then your team gets waxed and you're miserable for
Speaker 1: four hours in the building, and then you're in traffic.
Speaker 1: You might react to the heavens as well. It's it's
Speaker 1: one of the more underrated things about live sports is
Speaker 1: that it's so much worse to be there live like
Speaker 1: I ultimately, in a heartbreaking circumstance like that, you would
Speaker 1: have rather been at home. And the money is part
Speaker 1: of it too, because you're thinking, I just spit, spent
Speaker 1: five dollars to feel like I got kicked in the Conversely,
Speaker 1: if you're at a truly special event, it's something it
Speaker 1: stays with you forever, and you can't put a price
Speaker 1: on that. All right, Chuckie, we love you, baby. I
Speaker 1: will say that's how I spent most Sundays of my childhood.
Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough my family had season takes to
Speaker 1: the Browns for many years. Right, this is not territory
Speaker 1: for you. A lot of sad car rides home, you know, talking,
Speaker 1: Dad's not talking. The boys know to be quiet. All right,
Speaker 1: there he goes, Nick, choke, Thank you, buddy. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Yes, the Cardinals are the only undefeated
Speaker 1: team in football. Through three weeks. The Raiders and Broncos
Speaker 1: were also undefeated. Things went sideways for both teams, especially
Speaker 1: in the case of the Raiders, but things took a
Speaker 1: turn for the better on Sunday. Car takes a snap,
Speaker 1: loves it down toward cut five Edwards. He's freet pushed
Speaker 1: out of bounds at the twenty yard on. Edwards broke
Speaker 1: free and Derry Carr loved it to him down the
Speaker 1: nearest sideline. That was the play of the game. Brian
Speaker 1: Edwards down the sideline in the fourth quarter, beautifully thrown
Speaker 1: ball by Derek Carr. The third down conversion salted away
Speaker 1: a really big victory for the Raiders who go to
Speaker 1: Mile High and lay a win um hand to th loss,
Speaker 1: I should say to their rivals in a game Greg
Speaker 1: that obviously with the background with John Gruden's stunning resignation
Speaker 1: and the taking over the special teams coach takes over,
Speaker 1: and you wonder which way this is gonna go. Well,
Speaker 1: they went the Raiders way in a big way on Sunday,
Speaker 1: the fighting Bacia's watch out. I mean, they looked like
Speaker 1: a team. I felt a little free. You know, here
Speaker 1: we go, this is old narrative. I'm just having a
Speaker 1: little fun with Hey, you get rid of this guy
Speaker 1: who was the domineering um personality. You come out for
Speaker 1: this first week and you play free. You play when
Speaker 1: they were three and O was his domineering out of
Speaker 1: the pably this good. They didn't play a game this complete.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying, don't a solution. All I'm saying is
Speaker 1: they showed up and they played excellent football on both
Speaker 1: sides of the ball. Derek Carr has been great all season,
Speaker 1: and I do think part of this was a matchup
Speaker 1: um advantage for the Raiders that they you know, they
Speaker 1: probably would have won this game anyways, because I think
Speaker 1: their biggest problem right now is their offensive line, and
Speaker 1: the Broncos just don't have a pass rush. They could
Speaker 1: not hurt the Raiders as biggest weakness, which is which
Speaker 1: is up front. And if you give Derek Carr a
Speaker 1: little bit of time, he's gonna spend some magic. He
Speaker 1: only threw seven passes to get the three forty one.
Speaker 1: He has been awesome this year and his receivers Rugs, Edwards, Waller,
Speaker 1: he even Drake made a great play that the running
Speaker 1: back all made great catches on some really pretty throws
Speaker 1: and just goes to the show like you can have
Speaker 1: a great secondary, and I think the Broncos have a
Speaker 1: very good secondary. It's not gonna matter unless he gets
Speaker 1: some pressure up front and on the flip side, like
Speaker 1: the Raiders destroyed Teddy Bridgewater, like he was shook by
Speaker 1: the end of this game. They hit him early often,
Speaker 1: almost every time he went back in that Raiders pass
Speaker 1: rush we saw and week one was all the way back.
Speaker 1: Max Crosby played about as well as you can play
Speaker 1: a game today, and they took it to him. There
Speaker 1: was some garbage time, uh sprinkling on here, but the
Speaker 1: Raiders could have won this game by even more the Teddy.
Speaker 1: The Teddy interceptions were these, uh, you know on him
Speaker 1: or not with There are three of them. One was,
Speaker 1: one was you know, with twelve seconds left. One was terrible,
Speaker 1: but really the first two were yeah, we're absolutely on him.
Speaker 1: One was kind of a you just threw it up
Speaker 1: at a certain point in the game where you almost
Speaker 1: felt like the decision was justified because they weren't doing
Speaker 1: anything and he throws up a jump all and gets
Speaker 1: picked off. The first one was on a on a
Speaker 1: fourth down, bad throw. He he didn't play great. They
Speaker 1: had penalties and key spots, They had drops and key spots.
Speaker 1: But I felt like, at least the way these two
Speaker 1: teams were constituted today, they could have played this game
Speaker 1: ten times and it wouldn't have mattered. Every phase of
Speaker 1: the Raiders was superior to what the Broncos put out there.
Speaker 1: They also missed what should be a layup touchdown. Of course,
Speaker 1: that was a big play in this game. Down the
Speaker 1: left sideline, he was wide open, he had his defenderve
Speaker 1: beat by four steps and he overshot him. Um, but
Speaker 1: I'm not just no need to pile on Teddy Bridgewater,
Speaker 1: but I think it's probably his worst game that I
Speaker 1: will will. I mean, his stats don't really tell the
Speaker 1: story because he did ended up going over three d
Speaker 1: with three touchdowns, but he was you know, he's just
Speaker 1: He's Teddy Bridgewater and that's just who he is. And
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have the right set up around him,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen for the Broncos. And for the Broncos,
Speaker 1: the whole idea, Greg, and I know injuries have played
Speaker 1: a role with this team as well, the whole idea
Speaker 1: was that the defense was gonna be nasty and von Miller.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a disappearing act for von Miller
Speaker 1: in this game. Not to put all the loss on
Speaker 1: anyone player, not Teddy, not von but when you need
Speaker 1: somebody to make a big play and you're talking about
Speaker 1: where is the Broncos pass rush, well, von Miller is
Speaker 1: a guy that you need to step up in a
Speaker 1: game like this, and he was not a big presence.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely right, and I think he's played pretty well
Speaker 1: for the most part this year. But when you only
Speaker 1: have one pass rusher, it just makes it easier to
Speaker 1: stop that one pass rusher. They're very injured at the
Speaker 1: second level to their lie backers are are getting smoked,
Speaker 1: They're getting pushed around. Even the Raiders could even run
Speaker 1: the ball a little bit. The play calling I thought
Speaker 1: was good from Greg Olsen. It's a new play caller
Speaker 1: and some some big time Raiders, you know, backers who
Speaker 1: watched this. We're noticing some different variations to what they
Speaker 1: were doing. Uh, create creativity, some plays down the field.
Speaker 1: But it's also just the players. Ruggs is turning into
Speaker 1: a really good player. Cars having the best season in
Speaker 1: my mind, of his career so far. I love seeing
Speaker 1: this for the Raiders. Looking at the long receptions rugs
Speaker 1: forty eight, edwards fifty one, they have a thirty three
Speaker 1: yard or a thirty one yard or I mean, just
Speaker 1: go be that offense. Just go throw the ball down
Speaker 1: the field and you know, throw caution to the wind. Posaccia.
Speaker 1: It's the Psaccia era. I'm not into it the way
Speaker 1: you are. Greg. I mean really we heard because Dan
Speaker 1: like as annoyed that I think that I was. It's
Speaker 1: on my radar a little bit. I gave spice Rack
Speaker 1: some love on the show. I thought it was amazing.
Speaker 1: Spice Rack basically had had idea to fade, you know,
Speaker 1: to go against the racial controversy a week and it worked,
Speaker 1: and then this week he felt just this strong that
Speaker 1: the Raiders are gonna walk in this game because they're
Speaker 1: all because his big theory, when you get the interim coach,
Speaker 1: you get one great game like this and to be
Speaker 1: spot that was great. It was right. You know. Andrew Hawkins,
Speaker 1: a former player who has been around some fired bad coaches,
Speaker 1: he said the exact same thing. He said that first game,
Speaker 1: you're so excited. He picked the Raiders because of it too.
Speaker 1: It seems silly, but I don't know where the differences to.
Speaker 1: Is that typically the interim coach comes in to take
Speaker 1: an absolute disaster, a ship sinking, you know, for four
Speaker 1: or five weeks. This is a better team. It's an
Speaker 1: okay team. So that's okay team. That's the point I
Speaker 1: wanted to make because and I don't want this to
Speaker 1: get painted is like Dan's defending John Gruden, because no
Speaker 1: one's defending John Gruden right now. But you know that
Speaker 1: you don't think he should have been fired. You couldn't
Speaker 1: paint it that way. It's just email. No, they obviously
Speaker 1: he got he got his just desserts. Uh, if that's
Speaker 1: the right way to put it. He deserves everything that
Speaker 1: happened to him. But um, some of the recency bias
Speaker 1: in the analysis immediately firing following the resignation, it was
Speaker 1: like John Gruden was a terrible coach and a terrible
Speaker 1: team builder, and this team is bad. It was bad
Speaker 1: when he got here and bad when he left. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because they lost back to back games to the Chargers
Speaker 1: and Bears, but this is also a team that won
Speaker 1: three games to start the season. Now we get another
Speaker 1: big performance. All I'm saying is that, first of all,
Speaker 1: I'm team Bessacci. I'm on the army on that. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't like when Gruden left that this Raiders team
Speaker 1: was in total disarray. There are pieces in place here
Speaker 1: for this team to continue on a trajectory towards the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And it's not over just because Gruden's guy. I agree,
Speaker 1: And I think, look, Gruden has been there four years.
Speaker 1: He's way under five hundred in those four years. But
Speaker 1: I think this is the best Raiders team he's had,
Speaker 1: even kind of saying it's not just you, there's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of think Their defensive line is a thing,
Speaker 1: and they've never had anything on defense, and it really
Speaker 1: is a thing that My point is, yeah, that after
Speaker 1: the fire was like Gruden was a terrible higher and
Speaker 1: look where the Raiders are now. It's like, all right,
Speaker 1: if you only paid attention to football in the last
Speaker 1: fourteen days, you would say the Raiders are a total
Speaker 1: mess right now. But this team has a chance uh
Speaker 1: to do something still the season. I thought this performance
Speaker 1: wakes everyone up to that that the Raiders aren't dead,
Speaker 1: even if John Gruden's career is, and that Broncos three
Speaker 1: and a start that shook mentioned. They beat the Giants,
Speaker 1: the Jaguars, and the Jets beat so that it's fine,
Speaker 1: but this is they never scored more than twenty seven
Speaker 1: points in any of those games. And so my favorite
Speaker 1: story during the broadcast, I don't know if they were
Speaker 1: talking about Teddy or was this tight end Souberg about
Speaker 1: how he does not have TV at home, so he
Speaker 1: didn't know Gruden had been fired until the whole next day.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, he doesn't have internet either, Um,
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He's never watched TV. He's like all day
Speaker 1: and then he gets home and he just that's it.
Speaker 1: And I think, you, this is something you said as well. Greg,
Speaker 1: when I was pushing back on the Broncos as I
Speaker 1: often do, was Broncos fans getting mad about that, and
Speaker 1: I was talking about their schedule, and He's like, well,
Speaker 1: good teams beat up on bad teams. That's what good
Speaker 1: teams do. No, Actually, good teams beat good teams and
Speaker 1: they win those games. Beating bad teams is okay, whatever.
Speaker 1: You gotta beat some good teams, and we have not
Speaker 1: seen Denver do that yet this season. And their strengths
Speaker 1: their strengths, and a lot of it is injuries, you know,
Speaker 1: losing six or seven starters. They were not a team
Speaker 1: that could that could deal with that um but some
Speaker 1: of their strengths in the secondary, we thought they were
Speaker 1: going to be great. That feels a little overrated right now.
Speaker 1: And certainly the depth of their their skill positions have
Speaker 1: been diminished to a point where, you know, the Browns
Speaker 1: have to be very excited that the Broncos are the
Speaker 1: team they're playing on Thursday, will get to premium. Broncos
Speaker 1: could be equally excited, right. I just mean that that
Speaker 1: could be a get right game for for one of
Speaker 1: those teams that absolutely will be all right, Let's take
Speaker 1: a break and then we will continue on. They got
Speaker 1: fourth and one from the Giants. Three from a bunch
Speaker 1: to the right, here comes Robert Would. They picked the
Speaker 1: hand off his way, roll right, throw right to the pilot,
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. He's got it, touchdown l JB along with
Speaker 1: the call for CASPN. You know Marie Jones, true m
Speaker 1: j D. Every buddy loves in London. Who's still in
Speaker 1: London this week? So what did he just He tells
Speaker 1: the Rams, I'll see you in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: and JB just sits in that booth by himself like
Speaker 1: Vince Gully. We have to do some digging on this
Speaker 1: one and got a good set up. It's a great
Speaker 1: move by m. Matthew Stafford through three of his four
Speaker 1: touchdown passes in a point second quarter for the Rams,
Speaker 1: including that connection to Cooper. Copy continues to be other
Speaker 1: worldly this season. The Rams cruise to a thirty eleven
Speaker 1: win at the meadow Lands Mark. Sounds like this one
Speaker 1: went the way everyone pretty much expected. Healthy, good team,
Speaker 1: beats up on injury, decimated bad precisely, a total butt wamping,
Speaker 1: the kind of game where you know, recovering these things.
Speaker 1: Did you write down boat whomping. Total swamping is how
Speaker 1: I how I described the game to myself. Um, it
Speaker 1: was it was a tough bla that's how I w
Speaker 1: h O mph And it's highlighted. And he also could
Speaker 1: I say he also wrote traveled three thousand miles to
Speaker 1: drop a dirty bomb on the genus. It's it's constantly
Speaker 1: we're always talking about these now the charges are an example.
Speaker 1: You West Coast team that goes east, it's these stats
Speaker 1: and they're sleeping through it. The MS had that narrative
Speaker 1: and they, I mean, have you seen how these guys
Speaker 1: fly to games now? It's not ninety four anymore, exactly,
Speaker 1: not taking the plane with the propellers on the side. No,
Speaker 1: you're not bagging steerage with like pets and bags like
Speaker 1: if if they can ask Trent Green to overcome jet
Speaker 1: Lag to announce the game, I think the RAMS will
Speaker 1: be fine traveling like four hours in a private Plane's
Speaker 1: very true. I mean the jet Lag team looked to
Speaker 1: be the giants, and this was you know, Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: had two turnovers coming into this game, and there were
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons to look at Daniel Jones and say,
Speaker 1: maybe he's finally rounding into shape today was a master
Speaker 1: uh strip sacked picked both. Let you know, four turnovers
Speaker 1: led to twenty one points for the Rams and Stafford,
Speaker 1: whose finger was hurt two thursdays ago, looked clean throwing
Speaker 1: the ball. And you mentioned Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup. This
Speaker 1: is from ramspr in the last thirty five years. Here
Speaker 1: are the list of players with six hundred yards receiving
Speaker 1: in seven touchdowns through weeks six Cooper Cup and in
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven Randy Moss. That's the list. Listen.
Speaker 1: That is such an interesting staff because we all love
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. He's been an impact player for them since
Speaker 1: he came into the league. I think he was a
Speaker 1: second round pick um. But the fact that he's taken
Speaker 1: his game and he had a reconstructive knee surgery in
Speaker 1: the mix here as well, he's taken his game to
Speaker 1: this level. I don't think anybody saw this coming like that.
Speaker 1: He's like at a like a rich Man's Adam Feeling level.
Speaker 1: Not to go apples to apples. Someone called them Steve Smith,
Speaker 1: and ever since then I've been watching him as if
Speaker 1: he's Steve. He's a little bigger in Steve than I'm
Speaker 1: like I can that peak peaque? Steve Smith, I gotta
Speaker 1: give Dana Dyer mike crap. I mean, he kind of
Speaker 1: was in on this cook Cup thing like before the draft,
Speaker 1: and he's doing his job if he he was correct,
Speaker 1: that's what his job. They are. They are five and one.
Speaker 1: The top of the NFC is like really good. I
Speaker 1: mean that it's a very basic comment. But like Cowboys,
Speaker 1: as Bucks, Cardinals, Rams are all five and one or
Speaker 1: better and they all have to feel like, well, we
Speaker 1: can win the Super Bowl this year. Of course, of
Speaker 1: course they all feel like that, and they've all it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a big, you know, tough race, especially in
Speaker 1: that division. One of those teams is gonna have to
Speaker 1: play three road games. Between the Cardinals and Rams. At
Speaker 1: this point, it feels like a two team rights. I
Speaker 1: will tell you you know, Dan, we grew up watching
Speaker 1: these g men back in the day, and there wasn't
Speaker 1: a lot of this back in the eighties and early nineties.
Speaker 1: But you could audibly hear the Giants fans having a
Speaker 1: bad time at this game. It was it was rough.
Speaker 1: We do have a little bit of breaking news though,
Speaker 1: really putting gravers like I just want to let you
Speaker 1: know to eleven. The final score is a score of GAMI.
Speaker 1: It is the one thousand and sixty seven or unique
Speaker 1: final score in NFL history. I know that that categorizes
Speaker 1: breaking news on this show. I'm assuming the only thing
Speaker 1: I hate more than score GAMI is win probability. But
Speaker 1: what is why do you what is for unnecessary use
Speaker 1: of breaking news? It's a nice special breaking news. You
Speaker 1: got the news hours ago. Well you didn't know that.
Speaker 1: You didn't know that I did because for some reason, Ealie.
Speaker 1: Well also because you just spent three minutes looking at this,
Speaker 1: so you know I exactly. I've been um living out
Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles for eleven years now, but I'm
Speaker 1: always in my heart I'm a New Yorker, and um,
Speaker 1: it's been a tough tough ride for New York sports
Speaker 1: for the past decade or so. And Giants fans, you know,
Speaker 1: you turned to football as a something to fall back
Speaker 1: on after the baseball season turns at uh and then
Speaker 1: the Giants are dead and buried by the middle of October.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly where they are. There's no coming back
Speaker 1: for the Giants from this. So now it's next season
Speaker 1: and the Knicks are undefeated. In the preseason and maybe
Speaker 1: that turns out, maybe you get excited at the the
Speaker 1: NFC wild Card, like the seventh New York City Ballet
Speaker 1: areus Tony was the one reason to be excited about
Speaker 1: this team. And he goes out with an injury early
Speaker 1: in this game, and that just feels so timid. And
Speaker 1: he has three catches for like thirty six yards in
Speaker 1: the first couple of minutes then he was out, and
Speaker 1: so all right, we can't make you wait any longer,
Speaker 1: and we thank you fans um for your patients. Here
Speaker 1: is the Texans Cults analysis burst and Tin wins outside
Speaker 1: zone and big hole Taylor thirty down on the far sideline. Ticktoey,
Speaker 1: he's at the fifty, he's at the forty. Cuts back,
Speaker 1: he's at the thirty twenty the tan and he's finally
Speaker 1: cracked down inside the Tin. He'll be trapped at the
Speaker 1: four yard line on a one. Jonathan Taylor the biggest
Speaker 1: gallop all day, first bell for the Colts. I was
Speaker 1: chasting those curly fries. I don't know, I don't want
Speaker 1: the context now. Put that. Put that in the in
Speaker 1: the vaults for best cause of the year. Just the
Speaker 1: curly flies alone. That was Rick Venturry. I think with
Speaker 1: the curly fry comment with Matt Taylor of w f N,
Speaker 1: I oh yeah, Jonathan Taylor, he's on a roll now.
Speaker 1: The running backs set up a touchdown with that eighty
Speaker 1: three yard burst. He scored two more touchdowns of his own,
Speaker 1: and he thirty one three romped by the Colts over
Speaker 1: the Texans. Carson Wentz also threw two touchdowns for Indy,
Speaker 1: who bounced back beautiful from the savagery of their Monday
Speaker 1: night meltdown to the Ravens six days earlier. Greg life
Speaker 1: in the a f C South is good and how
Speaker 1: it provides the soft landings in this guy. That's true.
Speaker 1: By the Tuesday, the Colts could be only one game
Speaker 1: back of the Titans if the Bills can can win
Speaker 1: that Monday night er. And I like that. We saw
Speaker 1: with the Colts a little bit of identity here which
Speaker 1: we have not seen, which was blosive place. Paris Campbell
Speaker 1: catches a fifty one yard touchdown on a really nice
Speaker 1: throw by Wentz. Then Paris Campbell goes out with an injury,
Speaker 1: so you kind of got the ultimate Paris Campbell performance.
Speaker 1: But you also got fifty two yards on a catch
Speaker 1: from t Y Hilton, who was playing his first game
Speaker 1: of the year. And you had that explosive Taylor play
Speaker 1: and you had some explosive defensive plays. It didn't feel
Speaker 1: like this game was thirty one to three. There they were.
Speaker 1: They were very even in yardage. The Texans actually had
Speaker 1: more first downs, but the Cults were in control. And
Speaker 1: their defense has really shown up. I know they didn't
Speaker 1: finish out that Ravens game, but they've really shown up
Speaker 1: the last uh what seven you know, for the most part,
Speaker 1: the last three games, when they didn't at all in
Speaker 1: the first month of the season. And that gives him
Speaker 1: some hope that at least we can crawl back. And
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz keeps getting better every week. Really, I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask, why does Jonathan Taylor, who's playing the way
Speaker 1: he is, have only fourteen carries? We had now because
Speaker 1: he was like six for eight before the eighty three
Speaker 1: yard in the third quarter. They were not running the
Speaker 1: ball very well until well and Wentz had twenty attempts.
Speaker 1: They had forty eight offensive plays. That's less than the Patriots.
Speaker 1: And in that abnormal game, and I mean the very
Speaker 1: strange game. But Davis Mills, I look at the New
Speaker 1: England game now, and I'm wondering was that just total
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously that you know, he's got a lot
Speaker 1: to work on, but that seems like it stands out
Speaker 1: as a total aberration because he came crashing back to earth.
Speaker 1: More or less, he made a couple throws on the
Speaker 1: move that you didn't hate, but ultimately they scored three
Speaker 1: points against him. Kind of a He's a tough cop
Speaker 1: in general, because not only is he not like a
Speaker 1: premium draft pick quarterback, he's also playing on like one
Speaker 1: of the most talent poor roster. Right may they actually
Speaker 1: put up three fifty yards, they go nine and seventeen.
Speaker 1: He made a couple of plays, but it's I know
Speaker 1: you're looking at Barry Davis Mills Market Analysis on Thursday
Speaker 1: pointed to that no, no, no, I mean what I
Speaker 1: wrote last week for our website was completely opposite. I mean,
Speaker 1: I do he does have Brandon Cooks who is quietly
Speaker 1: having pretty awesome do keep score though, and it was
Speaker 1: thirty one, two three at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: so that doesn't reflect probably well, it doesn't work too
Speaker 1: on the quarterback that I think in three of a
Speaker 1: four games they've been in single digits. Problem. By the way,
Speaker 1: the quarterback that used to be their quarterback, Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 1: is still on the team. Some of these teams that
Speaker 1: have been connected to Deshaun Watson are not having great
Speaker 1: seasons with their respective quarterbacks. That's continues to kind of
Speaker 1: lurk on the periphery. Houston has lost five straight overall,
Speaker 1: six of their last seven against the Colts. That is that.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to Detroit, where the Bengals look to
Speaker 1: build some momentum. Receiver goes in check motion, he throws,
Speaker 1: it's caught Mixon streaking down the sideline to chase Fan
Speaker 1: runs it into the end zone. What a call? What
Speaker 1: a block? Touchdown? Cincinnati. Oh, they having fun now. Dan
Speaker 1: Horrid and Dave Lapham w c K y Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: tied a career high with three touchdown passes, leading the
Speaker 1: Bengals to an easy thirty eleven win over the still
Speaker 1: wind unless Detroit Lions at Ford Field. Greg The Bengals
Speaker 1: have already equaled last year's win total. You're drinking that
Speaker 1: orange juice, yes, because of the decause it's good. That
Speaker 1: was that was good. They have a lot of juice
Speaker 1: juice was the right word. There. There is something and
Speaker 1: this is why maybe you don't invest in defense because
Speaker 1: it's so unpredictable, But there is something indefinable. When a
Speaker 1: defense has juice. It's just like hustle and energy week
Speaker 1: after week, whether you're winning, whether you're losing. This Bengals
Speaker 1: defense has juice, and they squeeze the life out of
Speaker 1: this lion. I didn't think I was gonna get this
Speaker 1: amount of run. It really is true, and they've had
Speaker 1: it all six weeks and that keeps them in tough
Speaker 1: games and it helps them win a game like this
Speaker 1: easy where the offense took a while to get going,
Speaker 1: but you know what, eventually it did get going and
Speaker 1: you blew them out. I mean the Bengals defense a
Speaker 1: coordinator is you know, absorbed, probably to thirty poison arrows
Speaker 1: from this. We love the lu on a room, Oh
Speaker 1: Captain lou Way to stick with them. You know, the
Speaker 1: easy thing would have been to just fire him with us.
Speaker 1: He was not about Taylor. You want to talk, guys,
Speaker 1: take some slings of arrows on this, but I'm not
Speaker 1: ready to give him too. I think it's like when
Speaker 1: someone is not doing their job for three or four
Speaker 1: years in a row. You stick with them. That's the
Speaker 1: lesson here. Three or four is to say, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying there are people out there doing that. This is
Speaker 1: year three for Zach Taylor, I believe, and they won
Speaker 1: one or two games this first year. They won four
Speaker 1: games last year, So that we talked about it, he
Speaker 1: was on the hot seat. They needed to show something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man. Again, Sometimes I feel like when
Speaker 1: we talk about head coaches, if we decide we liked them,
Speaker 1: we give them credit. And if we decided we don't
Speaker 1: really like him, we give credit. Let's give and Jamaar,
Speaker 1: Chase and Joe pick and choose which coaches are doing
Speaker 1: a good job. Sometimes that's on my radar in this room. Well,
Speaker 1: we can evaluate, like if you're gonna kill Zach Taylor
Speaker 1: for the team making no progress in the first two years,
Speaker 1: when the team makes progress, you know it's maybe not
Speaker 1: I I kind of I still watch their offense and
Speaker 1: I do want more. I think they can be better.
Speaker 1: I kind of think they will be better. And this
Speaker 1: game was a good like example of it. They really
Speaker 1: were held and checked for much of it until that
Speaker 1: mixing screen pass where it was a blown coverage, but
Speaker 1: then Jamar Chase had one of the defining plays of
Speaker 1: his rookie season with an awesome block running down the
Speaker 1: field and Mixing is going crazy and he's just like
Speaker 1: pointing to it like that's Jamar's touchdown. That's Jamar's touchdown.
Speaker 1: And then Jamar does the Jamar Chase thing where he
Speaker 1: gets a fifty three yard catch two in the game
Speaker 1: he gets it's just a week after week he does
Speaker 1: something special that that really makes you think they have
Speaker 1: something really good. They're a fun story this year. You
Speaker 1: wish that that kicked in and hit the upright last
Speaker 1: week because then the Bengals will be flying high at
Speaker 1: five and one, But four and two puts them in
Speaker 1: second place in the a f C North, and I
Speaker 1: think that's one of the biggest surprises of the young season.
Speaker 1: One last note on the Lions. Yes, the NFL is
Speaker 1: only winless team now because we'll talk about the Jaguars later.
Speaker 1: They've now lost ten straight going back to last season.
Speaker 1: That is now the league's longest active losing streak. And
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, who's you know, relentlessly positive, loves his guys,
Speaker 1: believes in his team. Um he couldn't help but be
Speaker 1: a little bit critical of Jared Goff after the game.
Speaker 1: Let's just listening on that. Yeah, look, I think I
Speaker 1: will say this. I still don't feel like, Um, I
Speaker 1: don't feel like we can accurately judge him one way
Speaker 1: or another. UM, I don't feel that way yet. Now
Speaker 1: I will say this. UM chose those words. Here's the
Speaker 1: real feeling that I feel like he needs to step
Speaker 1: up more than he has and I think he I
Speaker 1: think he needs to help us, you know, just like
Speaker 1: everybody else. And let me check this step. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna need to pulling down on his
Speaker 1: shoulders here, and it's time to step up and make
Speaker 1: some throws and do something. That's it. I thought that
Speaker 1: the grave is he still talking? I thought the grave
Speaker 1: Digger had just hit pause for effect there, which would
Speaker 1: have been a classic grave digger move. Get that grave
Speaker 1: Digger drop in there. You've got to build a brand, Graver.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm giving you a brand on a plate.
Speaker 1: Take it. You're talking to a brand coach here. I
Speaker 1: can promise you that. UM. But I look, and this
Speaker 1: is good news for you, Mark, because you know who's
Speaker 1: number two on the step chart as the well, you
Speaker 1: don't the president of the blau Hard Association. What do
Speaker 1: you mean? I don't? I do? Oh, you kind of
Speaker 1: were giving me a blank look when I was trying
Speaker 1: to set you up there. I mean, I'm running the
Speaker 1: fan club into you. I mean, year three or four,
Speaker 1: the fan club here, take it, take it and run.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Golf is oh and thirteen. With every
Speaker 1: coach not named Sean McVeigh, he's played pretty well, he's
Speaker 1: been fine. But with cand today was not today was
Speaker 1: that he did not play well sixty one yards in
Speaker 1: the first half. And the reason they did is because
Speaker 1: of all of them. It's not just Jared Goff. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's been a little spicies because of that. But but
Speaker 1: he missed them open throats. I'm a little surprised though,
Speaker 1: because he he measured those thoughts as much as I've
Speaker 1: ever heard of coach measure of thought before saying it.
Speaker 1: But he's not there's no phony. I like that, He's
Speaker 1: not just dropping phony lines because that was real raw.
Speaker 1: I mean, is Jared Goff like a Dan Campbell type
Speaker 1: of guy? Ultimately? Is he is he a kneecap fighter?
Speaker 1: Is Dan Campbell ultimately feeling like he wants to get
Speaker 1: for one year. People acting like with the scrutin controversy,
Speaker 1: Um stunt Oh, we're stunned to learn that the NFL
Speaker 1: is so chummy behind the scenes. All these guys know
Speaker 1: each other all across the league. What are you talking? Wait,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about specifically here? What do you
Speaker 1: mean the chummy part chumming it? Well, I don't mean
Speaker 1: chumming this like the way Gruden was being chummy on email,
Speaker 1: but just they all know each other and they're all
Speaker 1: when you see these guys at League of bench Back,
Speaker 1: I did know those guys knew each other. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that Dan Campbell knows Sean McVeigh, but I'm not
Speaker 1: saying there's not a possibility that Dan Campbell sent Sean
Speaker 1: McVeigh text and night like this guy sucks well, or
Speaker 1: that there came from the rams. I mean, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they all knew who golf was. All right, let's take
Speaker 1: a break. Three receivers, lot quick, cal Rodgers tixs pump
Speaker 1: fixed once and again, scrambles to us right fine time
Speaker 1: takes him felt pay to the five and for the touchdown.
Speaker 1: Rogers justin put Hello, Packers leader twenty three to fourteen.
Speaker 1: Wayne Larava with the call w T MJ. Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: through for two touchdowns, ran for another score and we'll
Speaker 1: get to that in one second. He led the way
Speaker 1: for the Packers in fourteen win over the Bears. The
Speaker 1: Packers have now won five straight after that week one
Speaker 1: set back against the Saints in Jacksonville, which feels like
Speaker 1: it was a million years ago. And as for Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: it was more mastery over the Bears. The Packers beat
Speaker 1: them for the twentieth time in twenty three games counting
Speaker 1: the playoffs. They improved to twenty two and five with
Speaker 1: Rogers as a starter against Chicago and after that clinching
Speaker 1: score that we just played, Rogers was very vocal with
Speaker 1: the fans at Soldier Field and Grave Digger, I believe
Speaker 1: we have that. Yes, I still own you. I still
Speaker 1: own you to the Bears. Mark, I know you're very
Speaker 1: You're not a big Aaron Rodgers guy. Where did you
Speaker 1: where did you come down on this latest Well? It's
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's factual, so I'll like, let's
Speaker 1: give him that. Um. But he's spent you know, days
Speaker 1: before this game waxing poetic about how much Chicago meant
Speaker 1: to him, how he spent days in the past. There
Speaker 1: was a night he walked down the Chicago streets and
Speaker 1: met a mother in the sun and took photos with
Speaker 1: them and walked for blocks, and the Sun tweeted the
Speaker 1: you know his his photo is Aaron Rodgers, so you
Speaker 1: know that child's sake. I love I love Chicago if
Speaker 1: I was Aaron Rodgers, of course, But I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're that child, you're thinking, what's happened here? I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy now has just told my city to go
Speaker 1: take a dirt nap. I mean, that's sports. I love that.
Speaker 1: I love it. Maybe he even knows it might be
Speaker 1: his last time there as a as a member of
Speaker 1: the Packers. Has to be sweet. He was going up
Speaker 1: against a great defense, or very good defense at least. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was a a nice performance by the Packers. The Bears,
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about it. Their defense has gotten
Speaker 1: better and better. It's been solid this season, and and
Speaker 1: Green Bay wasn't just gonna walk over them, and they didn't.
Speaker 1: This was this was a battle, and Justin Fields, unfortunately
Speaker 1: for the Bears, was not able to really get anything
Speaker 1: going in this game, he was at I believe early
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter he was at nine yards passing,
Speaker 1: and uh, that's going to continue to be an issue
Speaker 1: for Chicago. The offense is inability to put together drives
Speaker 1: and keep up with the team that has a big offense.
Speaker 1: Because what happened in this game was Chicago's d was game.
Speaker 1: They battled back and forth. But you can only do
Speaker 1: that for so long before a good offense gets a
Speaker 1: better review. And that's eventually what happened, and that's the
Speaker 1: Rogers scramble that effectively ended this game. Aaron Jones and
Speaker 1: A J. Dillon. You know there were years under Roger's
Speaker 1: where they didn't really have a good run game, and
Speaker 1: I this is right now with Kareem Hunt out of
Speaker 1: the mix in Cleveland, is I would say the second
Speaker 1: best running back tandem in the league, other than maybe
Speaker 1: Zeke and Pollard or you could argue es two are
Speaker 1: Dylan's good another GOODA Cuns picked that everyone hammered. Uh,
Speaker 1: and he adds something to their team. I've been focused
Speaker 1: on kind of what the Packers don't have, but what
Speaker 1: they do have, your right, Like, they have a good
Speaker 1: running game and they have a defense it's ultimately gotten
Speaker 1: a little better throughout the course of the season, and
Speaker 1: they have some potential to get better and get some
Speaker 1: more players back, so maybe they don't need to be
Speaker 1: a lights out offense. It feels like a slightly underwhelmed
Speaker 1: in five and one, but it's five and one, and
Speaker 1: it should be said that the Bear has made this
Speaker 1: a game. This is you know, rogers Um. That touchdown
Speaker 1: to Scramble came after Justin Fields connected with Darnell Mooney
Speaker 1: on a five yard touchdown pass cut the lead to
Speaker 1: three with eight and a half minutes to play. But
Speaker 1: as you see it happened with Tampa Bay on Thursday night.
Speaker 1: These teams that are just a cut above even if
Speaker 1: you get close to them, even Dallas today, Dallas today,
Speaker 1: they will say, Okay, that's cute. We're pawning with you
Speaker 1: a little bit. We're gonna go finish thing this thing off.
Speaker 1: And that's what they did. I mean, you know, again,
Speaker 1: this show is so heavily based on uh self branding,
Speaker 1: self promotion. Hit it. That's just another lock I think
Speaker 1: I was trying to make. I was trying to make
Speaker 1: a football analysis point, and I see, like Mark really
Speaker 1: edgy in the corner of my eye, like looking and
Speaker 1: pointing at Grave Digger. I'm like, I'm like, what, Maybe
Speaker 1: he's got some breaking news here, maybe he's got something
Speaker 1: hot to add. I mean you, I mean we spent
Speaker 1: four minutes discussing Dan's lock. I got a lock. W't too,
Speaker 1: I didn't even miss d and I are tied a
Speaker 1: trying to bury I'm trying to bury the locks. I
Speaker 1: should have reminded Dan Greg the Chiefs unlesser achievement very brave,
Speaker 1: all right, any other thoughts in this game? Anybody kind
Speaker 1: of what you expected from this ball game? So let's
Speaker 1: move on. I still own you. That's it's great. It's
Speaker 1: pretty hard. I like it. I would love to yell
Speaker 1: that at a crowd of fans. How great would that feel?
Speaker 1: I own you? And here you go of fifty three
Speaker 1: yard or he kicked a fifty four yard or a
Speaker 1: minute ago, kid Matthew Right win the game for the Jaguar.
Speaker 1: That was brilliant. Put it down right, kicks it up
Speaker 1: the yard is good, good, good Right in the Jaguars
Speaker 1: have wanted one off a three yard field goal by
Speaker 1: Matthew Right. What a magnificent ending in London. Holy cow, Wow,
Speaker 1: three hundred and ninety nine days ago was the last
Speaker 1: Jaguars win. Oh yeah, that calls for the Bungos w
Speaker 1: O k V. Great call for Frank Frangie jaff logging
Speaker 1: in the old pass arting specialists for again green Tony
Speaker 1: Caselli and that moved as well. Maybe anyway, Matthew writes,
Speaker 1: fifty three yard field goals time expired gave the London
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars victory over the Dolphins at the Big Top
Speaker 1: thot Totty Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London. Right playing just
Speaker 1: this third game for the Jags, also drilled a launch
Speaker 1: fifty four yard and to tie the game at twenty
Speaker 1: with less than four minutes to play. And it is
Speaker 1: a game win mark for the Jaguars that snaps a
Speaker 1: twenty game losing streak. While at the same time I
Speaker 1: think it sinks the Brian Flores are in Miami to
Speaker 1: its lowest point. Yeah, I mean, outside of Washington, they're
Speaker 1: the most disappointing team in the league. I would not
Speaker 1: have been surprised if someone told me back in August
Speaker 1: they'd be five and one, one in five. The floor
Speaker 1: has fallen out to some degree. I knew. I listened
Speaker 1: to to I had a good game, and this was
Speaker 1: what I actually forgot about the London game last night.
Speaker 1: And it woke up midway through the second quarter of
Speaker 1: this which is an unpleasant way to start your work
Speaker 1: day to find out you're already behind. But to everyone
Speaker 1: was going nuts over to a start, but I thought
Speaker 1: it was It was a really good day for Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 1: who maybe outside of that Bengals game, this was his
Speaker 1: finest showing and you can kind of see it with
Speaker 1: their offense at times that you know, who knows what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. With the whole Urban Myer thing. I found
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer slightly annoying. Um celebrating this game at the end.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I mean, I I
Speaker 1: do in general, but why it could be entirely unfair.
Speaker 1: It's just the body language, much self satisfaction for a
Speaker 1: guy that was and five with a It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm getting on the plane home. I wasn't totally sure
Speaker 1: if I was going to get to go on the plane. Huh,
Speaker 1: But I'm just get on the plane with your team's on.
Speaker 1: Let's start there. Borton might not let me get on
Speaker 1: the plane. But it's it's happened in the past. Coaches
Speaker 1: do get fired coming off the London game. But you
Speaker 1: know even this quote after the game and referring to
Speaker 1: the kicker again who saved your butt, Matt Matthew Wright
Speaker 1: urban Meyer said, I don't think anybody on our team
Speaker 1: ever heard him speak until about ten minutes ago. I
Speaker 1: don't know something about this guy rubbed me the wrong
Speaker 1: way and was going to overtime. The game was going
Speaker 1: to overtime until Brian floores Cat and I don't say
Speaker 1: this lightly. One of the all time worst stretches of
Speaker 1: game management I have ever seen from a head coach.
Speaker 1: There were an incredible amount of mistakes, but that last one, uh,
Speaker 1: was that he took the time out to make them
Speaker 1: theoretically punt the ball to him on fourth down with
Speaker 1: with eight seconds ago. Instead they could have they could
Speaker 1: have just run a Hail Mary. So you're giving them
Speaker 1: a free hail Mary because it would have taken that long.
Speaker 1: But instead the Jaguars smartly, I'm sorry it was five
Speaker 1: seconds left. The Jaguars smartly ran a play where they
Speaker 1: got a first down in only four seconds and then
Speaker 1: kicked the field goal. Which was creative and it was
Speaker 1: great execution. The players deserved a ton of credit for that.
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure what flores was expecting there. I
Speaker 1: guess he thought they would punt it, but it didn't
Speaker 1: make sense with five seconds and for that to happen
Speaker 1: after he didn't take a time out on third and
Speaker 1: twenty when there was about fifty one seconds left, showing
Speaker 1: no faith into h or his defense in that moment,
Speaker 1: after he had already challenged two plays in a row
Speaker 1: that he had very little chance of winning and lost
Speaker 1: both time outs, which put them in a bad spot
Speaker 1: after they played so conservative on offense the last couple
Speaker 1: of drives to set up that Jaguars. It was a rough,
Speaker 1: rough couple of quarter, a couple of minutes for Brian.
Speaker 1: I'd like to know how many times in a season
Speaker 1: a coach loses two challenges and a half because you know,
Speaker 1: this isn't all right. There are people in your ear
Speaker 1: saying no, no, no, we don't do this, like, don't
Speaker 1: challenge this. To lose two is not good. So yes,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins obviously taken out a lot of water. And
Speaker 1: here's what Florence had to say after the game. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not doingod enough job. Again, these guys ready to play. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm not playing consistently enough. Um So when I coaching
Speaker 1: well enough and when I playing well enough, A big
Speaker 1: part I don't want to say big part because I
Speaker 1: don't want to take away from what the Patriots did
Speaker 1: over those twenty years, but a part of it, uh,
Speaker 1: the success was the constant cycling of these a f C.
Speaker 1: East teams, UH from one coach to the other, one
Speaker 1: quarterback to the other, Dolphins, Jets, Bills, and never finding
Speaker 1: any type of momentum. And now Dolphins fans are asking
Speaker 1: themselves again, where are we at right now? Do we
Speaker 1: still think we have the right guy at coach? Do
Speaker 1: we still think we have the right quarterback? It's a
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they don't, because it's just it's a
Speaker 1: bad star to season. There's time to to write the
Speaker 1: ship still. But I mean the fact that we're even
Speaker 1: having this conversation tells you how often I think they
Speaker 1: are a dark horse. And I know that we we
Speaker 1: don't bring this up, but Deshaun Watson sits out there
Speaker 1: as a as a trade deadline possibility for them. I
Speaker 1: just still think the owner their owner has shown he's
Speaker 1: capable of surprising you in many ways with that possibly,
Speaker 1: who knows. I'm sure Floris isn't feeling too good. I'm
Speaker 1: more concerned about their team building. But Floris has a
Speaker 1: huge hand in that him and Chris Career have cycled
Speaker 1: through so many different players over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: In these picks haven't quite It is worth pointing out
Speaker 1: they were missing, you know, three of their top four
Speaker 1: wide receivers today and their two cornerbacks Navy and Howard
Speaker 1: and Byron Jones, were just supposed to be the identity
Speaker 1: of that team. I know, I'm just pointing out, like
Speaker 1: a lot of their best players weren't on the field today.
Speaker 1: But they they lack, you know, they lack anything that
Speaker 1: they do well. You know, they really are struggling in
Speaker 1: terms of their third down even they dominated you what
Speaker 1: you miss, what you slept through was perfect football. They dominated,
Speaker 1: and they should have been up by way more than
Speaker 1: thirteen three, and they again they got they got into
Speaker 1: a shell before the end of the first half. They
Speaker 1: they could have easily been up in this game something
Speaker 1: like three and it just wasn't. It's a disturbing backslide
Speaker 1: because everything. I can't believe talked about this in August
Speaker 1: and leading into the season or early September, this Watson Dolphins,
Speaker 1: Dallian's um this forbidden dance that hypothetically could be going
Speaker 1: on right now. When it was early September, it was like,
Speaker 1: they're not going to do that. But I remember saying, like,
Speaker 1: if it's October, if one in four, one in five
Speaker 1: two hasn't established himself or whatever, like it's right there
Speaker 1: now the trade deadlines November one. Keep an eye on
Speaker 1: this because you know that that owner Stephen Ross is
Speaker 1: impatient and probably super hyper annoyed and thinking I need
Speaker 1: to hit a major reboot on this franchise, will do that.
Speaker 1: Anything could happen. I'm also it was it a bad
Speaker 1: move for me to even verbalize that I was asleep
Speaker 1: during the part of part of any NFL. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's fine. It's fine for two to three more times. Now.
Speaker 1: You did miss one of the most fun moments of
Speaker 1: the weekend, which was a Dolphins fan ran onto the
Speaker 1: field and almost kicked and weirdly in weirdly in the
Speaker 1: UK for some reason, like no one tackled them. No,
Speaker 1: everyone was cool. A player literally like low five them
Speaker 1: on the Jaguars. It almost was like he almost got
Speaker 1: the kickoff off. It usually blocked that from television field.
Speaker 1: That's a well, that's a that's a uniquely American thing.
Speaker 1: Perhaps I don't know, but I always found it, although
Speaker 1: I've been a stadium where this has happened as well.
Speaker 1: When the security guards get to the guy and they
Speaker 1: just like concuss him and pile drive him into the
Speaker 1: dirt face first at eighteen miles per hour running speed.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like yeah, and it's like does that really fit?
Speaker 1: Just was standing there around the players. There's another view
Speaker 1: of it from a fan who was in the crowd
Speaker 1: for a solid thirty seconds and he's like talking to
Speaker 1: the players, he's talking with the official. Is very strange.
Speaker 1: If nothing else this game it was. It was not
Speaker 1: a good game and these weren't good teams, but at
Speaker 1: least the London fans got kind of a fun, crazy ending.
Speaker 1: So we had we had reports that they were that
Speaker 1: many of the London fans were nonplussed, but not sorry
Speaker 1: some when we're getting tweets but there is being thrown.
Speaker 1: But on balance, I think it was another successful international series.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like when you when you run onto
Speaker 1: the field, you could typically say, because everyone's like, hey man,
Speaker 1: these guys are a threat to the players, and you've
Speaker 1: got to enforce to make sure that you don't get
Speaker 1: Most of these guys just bombed, fat guys with shirts off,
Speaker 1: waving their arms around. Do we really need to try
Speaker 1: to kill them? I want to know. The Jaggars player
Speaker 1: who came over and like dapped him up, was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, good, try man. We don't condone this activities
Speaker 1: and let the bosses on the shadowy league figures that
Speaker 1: are listening. We don't condone fans running out the wheel,
Speaker 1: but perhaps we just just shepherd them off the field
Speaker 1: into the little jail cell under the stadium. We don't
Speaker 1: the beating is unnecessary. That's my taste. Good goods A right,
Speaker 1: there wasn't expected. Let's move on. Maybe the last time
Speaker 1: you rod seize the ball. Tina Smith will drop deep,
Speaker 1: he'll drop He'll take clost the football the cover board.
Speaker 1: Devin Bush, who circles the right way. He almost wants
Speaker 1: the call, but he's getting at the sixteen force by
Speaker 1: the defensive star ah Mike Direko with the call. Jane
Speaker 1: oh Oh Jane oh Oh. Greggy's must fumble in overtime
Speaker 1: recovered by Devin Bush t J Watt making the big
Speaker 1: plays he does every single week. Chris Boswell kicks the
Speaker 1: field goal a couple of plays later. Final twenty three
Speaker 1: Steelers Seahawks tent and ot. Pittsburgh gets back to three
Speaker 1: and three. The Seattle Seahawks, without Russell Wilson for the
Speaker 1: first time, fall to two and four. Greggy listen, Gino
Speaker 1: he did some things. He did some things. That was
Speaker 1: a conservative game plan by Shane Waldron and the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: but they came back. They had fallen behind. They pushed
Speaker 1: it to overtime. But that Geno mistake, it's always haunted
Speaker 1: him his whole career. It happened again. You seem to
Speaker 1: enjoy it a little too much, you know, You're just
Speaker 1: like saying, this is the worst game of the year,
Speaker 1: and I don't like football anywhere. I want to go
Speaker 1: home home. And then and then that was the general
Speaker 1: It was not a good Geno fumbles. And then it's
Speaker 1: like Dad was like, yeah, yeah, do you know why
Speaker 1: I celebrated like that because you love Geno. So that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, it was. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson like performance, but it was. It was out okay.
Speaker 1: If Zach Wilson went to Zach Wilson, did the attempt
Speaker 1: a couple of touchdown and come back. If insert yet
Speaker 1: did this, you'd be happy. Troupe is strong with you, Greg,
Speaker 1: But go on, Geno blew the game. Now the tables yours.
Speaker 1: It was very conservative. They ran the ball well, they
Speaker 1: came from behind. His problem has always been taking sacks
Speaker 1: uh and he did, and they didn't trust their protection
Speaker 1: to hold up. I think that's why they were so conservative.
Speaker 1: And it makes sense. Alex Sie, high Smith and TJ
Speaker 1: what went wild? I mean the box scores insane for
Speaker 1: Highsmith and what considering how few times they had real
Speaker 1: dropbacks there. Offensive line got drilled there. But I thought
Speaker 1: we were headed towards the tie. That's that's what Mark
Speaker 1: was rooting for, because it didn't seem like Ben Roethlisberger
Speaker 1: was gonna do anything either. He had five point seven
Speaker 1: yards for attempt on forty throws, like he did less
Speaker 1: than Gina. I mean, the Seahawks in that first half,
Speaker 1: you never would have predicted that it would have wound
Speaker 1: up in overtime to begin with, he had sixties seven
Speaker 1: sixty five total yards, five punts. They're playing around their quarterback.
Speaker 1: They came out in the second half and ran the
Speaker 1: ball really well for two straight touchdown drives, and you
Speaker 1: know you're looking at two essentially defunct offenses. I mean,
Speaker 1: big Ben, you know, did a little big gen thing
Speaker 1: for a bit there, but then he I know, I
Speaker 1: don't trust this. I thought that he can't a big
Speaker 1: person named Jen be successful. Well I didn't say what
Speaker 1: he did. Maybe maybe they won the game, so maybe,
Speaker 1: I mean he fumbled the ball, just like dropped it.
Speaker 1: That was bad. Well how about this another ex jet
Speaker 1: um Jamal Adams, you know, has the ballchet off his
Speaker 1: head would have that would have been a huge inner
Speaker 1: option for them, And you know that looks like Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger said, I'm sick of everyone's saying I don't have
Speaker 1: a strong arm anymore. I'm gonna try to throw the
Speaker 1: ball as hard as I can on one of the
Speaker 1: biggest plays of the game, right off Jamal Adams's head,
Speaker 1: fifteen yards away from me. And he did it. By
Speaker 1: the way you could have he could have given Javala
Speaker 1: a light shovel pass and it would have clanked off
Speaker 1: Jamal's helmet. He has no uh ball skills. Now I'm
Speaker 1: not salty, I'm fine. Everything's good. That The thing about
Speaker 1: this is it's been a long day of football and
Speaker 1: the game started at six thirty in the morning, not
Speaker 1: for me but in London. Uh And when you get
Speaker 1: to the Sunday night game and it's just trudging along
Speaker 1: and it's a Geno Smith led Seahawks against late period
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberg Steelers, there's just it's hard to squeeze the
Speaker 1: juice out of this game, Greg. And the fact that
Speaker 1: its competitive and close and come back and and big
Speaker 1: plays as you could possibly want, but it feels like
Speaker 1: these two teams aren't going anywhere. To your point, m
Speaker 1: that's you said, there's many big plays as you could
Speaker 1: possibly want. I'm saying in a game like this in
Speaker 1: terms of like a comeback, and they were like meaningful
Speaker 1: moments in the fourth quarter. I mean it was a
Speaker 1: drag Darryl Taylor, who has been such a great story
Speaker 1: getting stretchered off and stopping the game late for so
Speaker 1: long like that that put a damper on it. Like
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was great football. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it was like Michelle Tafoya did mention the Taylor because
Speaker 1: I mean, when when he left the field, you were
Speaker 1: wondering what condition he would be in that he is
Speaker 1: his extremities, he's moving extremities, So that is your first
Speaker 1: sign that a positive note. That's why you pay t
Speaker 1: J Way all that money. Three passes defense, three tackles
Speaker 1: for lost, two sacks the force Fumbo. I mean, like
Speaker 1: three guys are blocking him on that play before Gino
Speaker 1: tried to step up. So we have next week for
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, you have the Saints in prime time? Am
Speaker 1: I reading that right? Three straight prime time games for
Speaker 1: Gino against the two of the s past defenses in
Speaker 1: the league. That is what the social makers were aiming
Speaker 1: my hopes who were low coming into this. And it
Speaker 1: was forteen nothing at halftime. And it's not like Geno
Speaker 1: played that poorly even in the first half, but it
Speaker 1: just it just felt like there's no way against this
Speaker 1: defense that they're going to do anything, and that I fear.
Speaker 1: I fear what I mean, what do you know? What
Speaker 1: do you The ratings for the Geno pot are starting
Speaker 1: to go down, but what are you showing the next
Speaker 1: couple of teams you're playing on tape like you can't
Speaker 1: treat Gino Smith this way. You've got it, You've got
Speaker 1: like he made a couple of throws late and you
Speaker 1: cannot go in with this game plan next time around,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna play Pittsburgh's defense. And I'll leave you
Speaker 1: with this, Mark Seessler. The Steeler's head into a bye week.
Speaker 1: They come out of the bye fully rested and go
Speaker 1: to Cleveland with revenge on the mind for a Halloween matchup.
Speaker 1: I'm not even thinking about Cleveland right now. I mean
Speaker 1: they have they have pushed me into a dark place emotionally.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of work ahead, you know, to go wrong.
Speaker 1: Ye right, I like Mark, Mark said as as we
Speaker 1: started to watch that that game, and you know, Seattle
Speaker 1: starts coming back and I'm like, oh you yeah, you're
Speaker 1: root in Seattle, right Mark, And You're like, I don't
Speaker 1: care about the emotionally to Cleveland's seems determined to lose
Speaker 1: to every playoff. You know, hopeful out there, so we
Speaker 1: should do all these you know games. Very tired and
Speaker 1: little Jet last. Yeah, I will say congratulation, congratulations to
Speaker 1: the Westling Brothers uh for once again locking locking it up.
Speaker 1: It was the Jaguars, and it's a little it's tough
Speaker 1: one to figure out because Larry attempted to punish his brothers, undermine,
Speaker 1: undermine the entire operation by locking up the worst team
Speaker 1: in football, but they won. So I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know where Larry's headspace wise, And I think it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're sort of you went in with the
Speaker 1: villain role, not that he's typically a villain, is a
Speaker 1: nice fellow in every way, but then he came in
Speaker 1: with a Matthew alien plan. That's why brothers called him precious,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know she you know, Mama Wesley
Speaker 1: and wanted a girl, got Larry last one and well
Speaker 1: tonight he delivered another surprise. So absolutely, and I just
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what's next with the Westling brother
Speaker 1: soap opera, Like, I don't know where you go from
Speaker 1: there when you're already by week six there's the undermining
Speaker 1: to the point where one of the brothers Brothers is
Speaker 1: trying to ruin the season for the other Westling brothers,
Speaker 1: Like what what happens from here? It's gonna be exciting,
Speaker 1: great delivery was a high bar for it. Was he
Speaker 1: trying to ruin it or was he trying to say, like, hey,
Speaker 1: let me make a pick. You guys didn't let me
Speaker 1: make the pick last week. Here I am getting this
Speaker 1: one right that no one saw. There's no doubt that
Speaker 1: he probably felt left out. But I think he was
Speaker 1: trying to undermine the entire opera. I think he was
Speaker 1: trying to undermine the operation and send a message that
Speaker 1: I will not be overlooked in the future. It was
Speaker 1: the best best week yet. So it's so I kind
Speaker 1: of love it. Upset pick like I'm a huge Larry Westling,
Speaker 1: like the Westling brother power rankings, Like Larry surged forward
Speaker 1: in a big spot. Call that. So we'll see what
Speaker 1: happens next. Um, all right, that's it for Sunday Night,
Speaker 1: the Flagship Show. We'll be back on Tuesday. Make sure
Speaker 1: you check that out. Dan handsOn signing off for a
Speaker 1: quiet storm the old Boss Grave Digger behind the glass.
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