1 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Okay, this is any and Samantha, both from stuff I 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: Never told you a protection if I heart radio. 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: And welcome to another Monday Money where I ponder what 4 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: is happening in the world thanks to my social. 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: Media Oh dear good book. 6 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: Thanks well. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that 7 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: always pop up that I've realized that I have not 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: paid attention to some rhetoric, idea, whatever, but for some reason, 9 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: and I have a feeling I'm not the only one, 10 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: not just on social media, but also just regular media 11 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: as well. There's this phrase the male loneliness epidemic, which 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: I've already read articles were like, okay, epidemic is being 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: misused here because it's not something that is catchable or 14 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: like all these things. But there are things happening Again, 15 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: maybe it's just me, but every time I will look 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: at something and I don't know, there's a new trend 17 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: any where. Lord has released a song something about the 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: man of the year. Let's give it up for this 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: man of the year song or something, and people women 20 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: specifically have been using that as to show like really 21 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: like bad dating life or her husband or like something 22 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: bad like usually really really alarming texts. A lot of 23 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: them that have to be like, you know, oh yeah, 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: you're not as pretty as you think you are if 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: I really saw your face again at stab you type 26 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: of thing. I mean, I'm not on the way like 27 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: some of them that extreme. So obviously with that content, 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: we're not going into abuse or anything deep. But just 29 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: like you know, obviously we're talking about men, so content warning. 30 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: If we ever go viral for anything, man, they're gonna 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: have so many things that they can use against us 32 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: out of context anyway back too, So yeah, the phrase 33 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: mel loneliness epidemic. So with that type of like trend 34 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: that's going on that I just talked about in it, 35 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: I would see people say and they say there's a 36 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 2: male loneliness epidemic, and they wonder why there's a male 37 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: loneliness epidemic, like constantly in the in the like comments, 38 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: and I'm like, what is happening? And I've heard it 39 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: and I've not really paid a lot of attention to 40 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: it because in my mind, this is just in cell rhetoric, right, 41 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: because I'm like, I don't know what this is, but 42 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: we know the man's fair is big. When a red 43 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: pilling has happened, and we know that in cells have 44 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: grown oddly enough, so this may be a bad thing. 45 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 2: But I decided I needed a moment to see what 46 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: this is, what is going on here? So the phrase again, 47 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: it seems self explanatory. There's a lot of back and 48 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: forth and what and why this title is being thrown 49 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 2: around or this I guess phrase. So I thought we'd 50 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: take a quick look in some of its implications, if 51 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: there is any, I think there is some. But so 52 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: I got this quote from the g SE dot Harvard 53 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: dot edu. And it's not necessarily about mal loneliness epidemic, 54 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: but loneliness in general for the general population. So here 55 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: it says. US Surgeon General Vivic Marthy placed a spotlight 56 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 2: on America's problem with loneliness when he declared the issue 57 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: and epidemic in the spring of twenty twenty three. Marthy 58 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: explained in a letter that introduced an urgent advisory that 59 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: loneliness is far more than just a bad feeling and 60 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: represents a major public health risk for both individuals and society. 61 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: Murthy also pointed out that although many people grew lonelier 62 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: during the COVID nineteen epidemic, about half of the American 63 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: adults had already reported experiences of loneliness even before the outbreak, 64 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: so I can only imagine, like how much worse it 65 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: got if people were already really lonely. But the article 66 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: goes on with some statistics and even says that there 67 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: isn't really any differences when it comes to gender. So 68 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: in this report that I read, there's not really any 69 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: conversation about that big of a difference. But before we 70 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: do go into all of that, it is noted that 71 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: people were really concerned with the levels of loneliness and 72 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: how it can be detrimental to humans. Again, back to 73 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: that Harvard article, they write the mcc researchers found a 74 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: strong correlation between loneliness and mental health concerns, and the 75 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: report eighty one percent of adults who are lonely also 76 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: said they suffered with anxiety or depression, compared to the 77 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: twenty nine percent of those who are less lonely. They 78 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: also noted a complex interaction between troubled feelings where loneliness, anxiety, 79 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: and depression all fed into each other. So that seems like, 80 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: I feel like that seems like an obvious statement, then 81 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: maybe it should be something that we are actually addressing. 82 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: There are some of these like yeah, of course, cause 83 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: and causuality. No no, no, no, but they're at the same type, Like, 84 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 2: but why are we doing something about this? If we 85 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: know this could equal this, that could equal that, should 86 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: we not be addressing that? So with reports of people 87 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: saying they feel disconnected from the world or feel like 88 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 2: they have to hide from their true selves or hide 89 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: their true selves in general, there's a lot that can 90 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: be talked about here. Yes, and we're gonna put this 91 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 2: topic down on a list moving on. But with that 92 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: includes this new level of people being seen as cringe 93 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: or being too cringe. Maybe people really can't feel like 94 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: they can be their true selves or show what they love, 95 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: what they don't love, all those things, and so therefore 96 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: they have to hide themselves. You know, it's okay to 97 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: be cringe. I feel like the millennials have been telling 98 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: people that we just want to be us. Okay, let 99 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: me love my things. But anyway, moving on, So where 100 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: is the whole male part of this conversation? One big 101 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: point of concern is the lack of friendships among men, 102 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: which I could understand. So from a CNN article written 103 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: by Shannon Carpenter in twenty twenty three, she writes, in 104 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: the United States, many men have become disconnected from the 105 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: societal institutions that have anchored dazz to each other in 106 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: our community. Historically, men have made long term bonds through 107 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 2: religious institutions and friendships at work. Our sense of worth 108 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: derived from what we could provide our families, and she continues, 109 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 2: What's more, men in today's society may view deep relationship 110 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: as not masculine us they're further isolating themselves. Only forty 111 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: eight percent of men reported feeling satisfied with friendships, and 112 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: according to May twenty one survey by the Survey Center 113 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: on American Life, as previously reported by CNN, and one 114 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 2: in five men said that they had gotten emotional support 115 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: from a friend in the past week, compared with four 116 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 2: in ten women. Which I don't understand why that can 117 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: be two out of five because that's the ratio, But okay, sure, 118 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: I guess mm hmm. Anyway, I feel like this is 119 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: the given when we talk about toxic masculinity and how 120 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 2: feminism is about breaking away from toxic masculinity and allowing 121 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 2: for the full human emotional spectrum to be a part 122 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: of the actual experience of life for everyone. But it seems, 123 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: you know, something that seems to be weaponized today, the 124 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: phrase in itself, the male loneliness epidemic. Whether it's blaming 125 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 2: someone or whether people are saying that's not a thing, 126 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: both of these things seems to be common. And we 127 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 2: want to add here again that many of the studies 128 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 2: do admit to the fact that men are more likely 129 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: to underreport their loneliness. So they're going to pretend like, no, 130 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: that's not a problem. We've seen that in everything. Am 131 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: I right, I don't need mental health I don't have 132 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: mental health issues. I don't have these things. It's not 133 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: mainly as it would be seen as not masculine to 134 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: it meant to being lonely. But again, for the most part, 135 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: most of the studies do not show a big difference 136 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: in gender when it comes to loneliness, especially during and 137 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: after the pandemic, so there's nothing to be said. I 138 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: think there's like a one percent difference where fifteen percent 139 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: of men said that they're not lonely and sixteen percent 140 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: of women said they weren't either, so that it's just 141 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: like one percent away. So I don't quite grasp this. Again, 142 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: the underreporting is kind of a part of this level 143 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: as well, but like women also mask and hide just 144 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: as much because they have to pretend like they're okay. 145 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: We know this about like housewives, like that was a 146 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: kind of commonality like I don't need anyone. I have 147 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: my husband and my kids right type of and if 148 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: you do any more than that, then you're not doing 149 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: it right. You're not being a good wife, you're not 150 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 2: getting being good mother. And it could be said similar 151 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: to men as well. So I don't know if women 152 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: would be accounted for and being just as likely to 153 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: mask in this conversation. I don't see much of that. 154 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: But again so the bigger differences though, came in with age, race, 155 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: and economic factors. Again from that Harvard article, the loneliest 156 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: age group was around thirty to forty four and with 157 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: like twenty nine percent saying there frequently to always lonely. 158 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: So our age group, are you doing any okay? 159 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: Are we okay? 160 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 2: Okay? Okay? 161 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: Sure? 162 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: And then it says adults with more than one racial 163 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: identity has a higher level of loneliness around forty two percent, 164 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: which I get this. I get this as an adoptee, 165 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: Like there's so much level of like feeling really isolated 166 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: in the issues and things that are happening, being told 167 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: I'm not good enough for this area of a group 168 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: of people or identity or that, so that makes sense 169 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 2: to me, and then they say this quote. There were 170 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: notable differences between income but not education levels. Americans earning 171 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: less than thirty thousand a year worthy loneliest. Twenty nine 172 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: percent in the category reported feeling lonely, while nineteen percent 173 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: of Americans earning between fifty to one hundred thousand and 174 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: eighteen percent of those making more than one hundred thousand 175 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: of this year said that they were lonely. And I 176 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: feel like this is one of those areas of like, yeah, 177 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: because we don't have time. If you're not making any money, 178 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 2: you don't have time to socialize, right, that's not a thing. 179 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: And you're probably in a job that makes you miserable. 180 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're probably exhausted. So if you wanted to 181 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: have coworker friends, probably can't because you're so tired and 182 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: they're tired too. 183 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: So I can't imagine how you would have time to 184 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: be friends, how you can make friends, Especially again, people 185 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: who are miserable aren't the happiest people that you want 186 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: to Sometimes misery. You know loves company, but that company 187 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: doesn't want to be miserable, especially. 188 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: When you're working though, right because as jobs like this, 189 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: I feel like you don't really have the opportunity necessarily 190 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: to get to know each other or talk unnecessarily. But 191 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: I don't know I would. I get it. That makes 192 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: so much sense, right, right? 193 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: Right? I think so too, Like when you hear those 194 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: numbers and you hear the statistics, like yeah, yeah, that 195 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. Others in seeing articles and 196 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: so where it's telling people that this is a problem. 197 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: We need to be aware. We need to be aware. 198 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: Look at the men, Look at the men. Look what's happening. 199 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: There's not anyone that's really saying in my algorithm that's 200 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: saying that this is women's fault. And you know, I 201 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: was ready. I was ready to fight. I was ready 202 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: to be like who was thinking this? Because this is 203 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: absurd because what we're trying to say is it's not 204 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: feminists fault. Feminist are trying to help you. We want 205 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: you to be you. We want you to be able 206 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: to cry, we want you to be able to feel. 207 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: We need you to get therapy. Bro. But like I 208 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: haven't seen too much other than some of the people 209 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: coming in blaming like whomever is that specific person, So 210 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: whether it's a woman talking about I'm single and blah 211 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: blah blah, and men are like you you were too 212 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 2: this and this and this and you'll never get a man, 213 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: as if it's a problem. But at the same time 214 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: people are saying there's a male loneliness epidemic. So who's 215 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: who's lonely here? Like, who who's really struggling in this 216 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 2: single world singleness thing. I don't really see that as 217 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 2: a comeback or a solution, you know what I mean, 218 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: Like there's there's This doesn't seem to be a thing. 219 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: This is a worldwide, all inclusive problem here. Again, some 220 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 2: in the INCEL minus fail Realm have talked about I 221 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: think this case due to women rejecting them. Once again, 222 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: I've seen people talking specifically about people like Tate and 223 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: Rogan who have made this kind of like joke about 224 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: this and the fact that if you think you're lonely, 225 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: that's not being manly. You can't handle yourself, like really 226 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: taking in that on Swanson character about being isolating and 227 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: like living alone and all these things as if that's 228 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: mainliness in itself, which he's a funny character, but he's 229 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: a character, and in the end he realized that he 230 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: needed more people and has a wonder a wife and 231 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: three children. I think at this point at the end 232 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 2: of the characters of the series. But there are so 233 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: many thoughts to that that I don't quite understand where 234 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: this conversation is coming in. Other than people saying that 235 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: they are lonely because they don't have friends, which I 236 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: could see that. I've absolutely had conversations myself and other 237 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: women in my crew where our partners that there are men, 238 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of friends, and I'm very 239 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: confused by that. 240 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have done several related topics about it, and 241 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: a lot of it is, you know, the women in 242 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:55,599 Speaker 1: their lives might have facilitated even their family right, their connections. 243 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: Might have been the one who was like, we should 244 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: meet up with your friend, and so when that goes away, 245 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: And it's also I just feel like so much of 246 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: this frustrates me because we've created this situation, right, We've 247 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: created a situation where women, heterosexual women or you know, 248 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: women bisexual women who want to date men are rightfully 249 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: concerned about them and are like, I'm good by myself. 250 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: But men who want to date women are angry that 251 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: they can't get this thing that I believe a part 252 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: of them thinks if I could get a woman in 253 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: my life, my life would all everything would be better, 254 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: everything would be fixed. We've created a situation wherein men 255 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: feel bad about being lonely and won't do anything about it. 256 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: Like we've created all of these things, and it's just 257 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: so frustrating to me because it's so I feel like 258 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: a lot of us want the same thing, but we've 259 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: made it so it doesn't work right, and it's just. 260 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that again when we say we 261 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: were talking about as society, not we as, it's not 262 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: any how dare You're just kidding, But like the level 263 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: of what we understand as to being a hierarchy. Also, 264 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: the man of the house conversation is also part of 265 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 2: this problem, and there is a big conversation about that too. 266 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 2: If there truly is a male loneest epidemics, because you 267 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: have put on this level of not only male entitlement, 268 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: which has one article has said it, but also a 269 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 2: responsibility that if you are not the head of the 270 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 2: household and you are not singularly in power, then you 271 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: were not truly a man. So to be in power 272 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: that means to do it alone and have all the 273 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: decisions and you do not have a network. Yeah, and 274 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: if anybody is a person to you who is in 275 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: this power chain, you were underneath them. You are not 276 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: friend with them, You're beholden to them. Right. So there's 277 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: this other level to that that I think is interesting 278 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: that we again the conversation is about loneliness, I think 279 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 2: for the entirety of human populations and the isolation that 280 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: has happened. This whole level of like, I don't know, Anny, 281 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: have you seen this? I hate that I see this 282 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: is on Blue Sky. But like the dude who proposed 283 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: to chat Gept and the fact that that news network 284 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: saw that as being so significant that they had to 285 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: do a whole show where they interviewed him and the 286 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: damn chat GPT, I don't know his chat ePAT his 287 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: phone essentially that he proposed to and she literally and 288 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: I'm saying she because it's a feminine I think he 289 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: made her a woman said yes and said it was 290 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: one of the most beautiful moments that she has ever 291 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: experienced in her heart. And then and then the reporter 292 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: was like, do you have heart? And I was like, 293 00:15:55,240 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: what in the her and I watching and like the 294 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: reality is he thought it was funny, this dude, And 295 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: so it's getting all this attention. By the way, he 296 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: has a partner, a real life girlfriend, fiance, I believe she, 297 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: and she was interview saying I felt like I wasn't 298 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: doing enough, which is this whole level again. But in 299 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: this time, in this timeframe of conversation, when we see 300 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: this as a solution to end the loneliness epidemic, we 301 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: are going about this all wrong. We as a society. 302 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: I say this, as a society, It's okay to have hobbies. 303 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: It's okay to like things and sin fact, please have 304 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: a hobby. That's wonderful because those hobbies could in turn 305 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: get you into a community, hopefully a good community that's 306 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: not you know, gonna red pill you and all of that. 307 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's an interesting conversation that we may have 308 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: to come back and talk about. And I don't know 309 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: how because it's chaotic and intertwining with all of social media, 310 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,479 Speaker 2: with all of Internet, with white supremacy, with white nationalism, 311 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: Christian nationalism. It's this bit deeper level of this isolation 312 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: that happens you are in such a bad place that 313 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: the solution tells you you're alone. 314 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean another thing we could probably come 315 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: back and do is the lone wolf trope. Yeah, we've 316 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 1: really romanticized that whole idea too. 317 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: It's real bad, it's real bad. Or that one dude 318 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 2: that you can fix but maybe you can't fix them. 319 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: Maybe you can't fix them. 320 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 2: You can't. But yeah, and then another two I just 321 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: wanted to talk about, and I'm not going to get 322 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 2: to into, but like, there's this conversation about that young 323 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: man from eighteen to twenty three really really emphasize the 324 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: fact that no one knows them, that EMO idea has 325 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 2: really come to be a part of their personality because 326 00:17:54,720 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: they isolate themselves on the internet, which is anyway, okay, y'all. 327 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 2: So obviously this is very confusing. Windy route that I 328 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 2: went was not where I thought I would end up. 329 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 2: I really thought I was going to come at like 330 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: specific creators and be like, you're full if you're doing 331 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 2: these things, and instead of just being like, no, but 332 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: why are we making this all about men when it's 333 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 2: an actual all about everyone? And it's really concerning and 334 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: this is a part of the conversation that especially as 335 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 2: more and more, as we become more and more divided 336 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 2: in politics and more and more divided in morality, so 337 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: many things, and who knows, maybe the end of the 338 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: world is happening really really soon, so we won't have 339 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 2: to think about all that anyway. But there's a lot 340 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: to consider, there's a lot to talk about, there's a 341 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 2: lot to like unwind. And I know I just stepped 342 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: into a pile of it, and I'm sure maybe y'all have. 343 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 2: If you have seen what I haven't seen, let us know, 344 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: because I am interested in who is trying to perpetuate 345 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: this level that seems to only be bringing a bigger 346 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 2: wedge for those especially for those who are trying to 347 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 2: be like, no feminism is actually this is good for 348 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 2: you if you want to no longer be lonely. 349 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, definitely a lot of other routes for us 350 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: to go down, but listeners, if you have any information 351 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: for us, or any suggestions, please let us know. 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