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Speaker 1: Everybody. We are live here at Crawford Field, the site

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Speaker 1: of Rams training camp, twenty seventeen. Welcome to season two

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Speaker 1: of Between the Horns. Can you believe it's season two?

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Speaker 1: Has it really been that long? Yeah, I've been doing

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Speaker 1: this for basically a year now. Good. Yeah, good, it's

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Speaker 1: been a long time since we had we have a

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Speaker 1: playoff edition at some point. I would love we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a playoff edition from point. Yeah. Yeah, this is good. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's good to be back here, Horns. Good to be

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Speaker 1: back with you. DeMarco. Hello, how is your summer? We'll

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Speaker 1: go through this quickly. Good, good, short, but good. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean it seems like, you know, the season ended

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Speaker 1: and we're right back in training camp. But a lot

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Speaker 1: has transpired, a lot has gone on. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: nice to see it manifested on the field, what the

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Speaker 1: team could look like or is going to look like

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Speaker 1: at some point. But yeah, it's been a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of fun. I'm glad to be back at real football stuff.

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Speaker 1: Real football stuff. Yes, real football. So here's not just

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Speaker 1: talking about football, real football stuff. I use that as

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Speaker 1: a preamble to say this on my big pet peeve

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Speaker 1: of this time of year. Football is back when when

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Speaker 1: to you is football back training camp? Football is back

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Speaker 1: in training training camp, not the first preseason game. No

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Speaker 1: one training in training camp. Because let's see, I suffered

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Speaker 1: through the NBA, then I suffered through All Star Week

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Speaker 1: in baseball, and then a dead time of nothing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: finally when we get back on the field, when guys

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Speaker 1: put helmets on his football. All right, that's fair enough. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think football is not back into a week one. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're late, though, I don't think I'm late to the party.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I am. This training camp July is football team?

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Speaker 1: All right, Well that's fine with me. Um. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about some of the first impressions of camp, just through

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Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks. I mean, obviously things are

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Speaker 1: different right now with Sean McVeigh. I think the pace

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Speaker 1: think that's kind of to be expected with a new

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Speaker 1: lot of positives. Yeah. I mean it's hard not to

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Speaker 1: pay attention to Jared Gop only because I mean it

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Speaker 1: seems everything has been about him. Well, this offense is

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Speaker 1: structured around his strengths. The guys they've brought in are

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Speaker 1: here for Jared Goff to become a better quarterback. So

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Speaker 1: just watching his progress and watching how he goes through

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Speaker 1: reps and drills and everything, there is progress there. So

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Speaker 1: as long as that quarterback spot, that number one spot

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Speaker 1: your new football team is getting better, showing improvement, then

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Speaker 1: you should be better off than you were last year.

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Speaker 1: Now you're fixing or you're implementing a whole new right

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Speaker 1: side of your offensive line. Yep, you have a brand

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Speaker 1: new left tackle. There's a lot new to talk about

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Speaker 1: the center, a new center, but it's all over about

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Speaker 1: the shout if the quarterback can't play right. So Jared

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Speaker 1: Goff showing improvement has been the whole camp for me well,

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Speaker 1: and I think the other part of it is that

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Speaker 1: to see some progress through both of those guys as well.

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Speaker 1: We're talking specifically with Robert Woods and with Cooper Cup.

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Speaker 1: Those two newcomers are guys that I think are going

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Speaker 1: and we've already kind of seen it throughout camp and

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what it's gonna look like in

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Speaker 1: preseason and regular season. But if it looks like what

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Speaker 1: we've seen so far, we're going to see a better

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Speaker 1: offense about you know. I like the dynamic between the

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Speaker 1: two the guys you mentioned Woods and Cup. Cup is

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Speaker 1: a guy that catches everything, runs precise routes, as does Woods.

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Speaker 1: But I think Woods has that number one receiver mentality.

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Speaker 1: He wants the ball all the time, He's always open.

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Speaker 1: That kind of thing will drive a quarterback and drive

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Speaker 1: an offense. Anytime you can flip the field, take the

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Speaker 1: top off the defense, shorten it on one play. It's

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Speaker 1: all good for everybody on offense defense, even the fans.

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Speaker 1: Everybody likes that sort of stuff. But at some point

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Speaker 1: so you just said something I think is interesting, This

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Speaker 1: When it comes to us? Well, when he takes a

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Speaker 1: I just love that mentality. What did Michael Jordan say,

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Speaker 1: Michael Scott said that, Actually, Michael Scott and said that

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Speaker 1: it's it's an office Jef. Will you stop that anyway?

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Speaker 1: I just I've just loved watching him go about his business.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you you watch a Dez Bryant up

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Speaker 1: how much he wants the football, that sort of stuff

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Speaker 1: guys may or may not have read that piece that

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Speaker 1: I did on Jared Goff. We were at Nevada. Oh

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Speaker 1: thank you you're welcome. Yeah, wow, I'm so happy. But

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Speaker 1: what he was saying when we were up there, even

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Speaker 1: But he has sort of it. And you've talked about

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Speaker 1: do we know exactly Jared Goffs ceiling and if he's

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Speaker 1: those things, the maturation process with quarterback end receiver. Okay,

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Speaker 1: now you've you made the right read. You've hit me

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Speaker 1: when I'm open. Yes, Okay, Now let's talk about ball placement.

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Speaker 1: Not only am I hitting the right guy, I'm hitting

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Speaker 1: those will start to come along, yes, And that's something

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Speaker 1: as things go along, especially in these preseason games. So guys,

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Speaker 1: But we've gone i don't know, maybe ten minutes in

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Speaker 1: this and we've not brought up somebody that is maybe

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Speaker 1: the most important person who's not here, and that's number

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Speaker 1: ninety nine, Aaron Donald, who I'm just kidding, right, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's weird this holdout. I mean usually when there is

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Speaker 1: a holdout situation, there is a bad guy. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: team's the bad guy. Because they're not paying him, or

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Speaker 1: the guy's just not being here, he's being selfish. There

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Speaker 1: it is what it is. I mean, Aaron Donald has

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Speaker 1: outplayed his deal. They have to get a new one done.

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Speaker 1: To get a new deal done with two years remaining

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Speaker 1: on a contract already, that's hard to do. It is,

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Speaker 1: But sooner than later, we're gonna see ninety nine on

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Speaker 1: the feature. I agree with you. Part of it, I

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Speaker 1: think is that this is a negotiation, right, And I

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Speaker 1: talking about this Aaron Donald situation. It is a negotiation

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Speaker 1: basically because of what you said. He is under team

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Speaker 1: the Rams obviously chose to use on it, right right, So,

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Speaker 1: but then you also got franchise tag potentially that's one year.

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Speaker 1: Then you've got another franchise tag potentially. We know that

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Speaker 1: the Rams have no problem with going two years on

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Speaker 1: Trueman Johnson, so with that in mind, you want to

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Speaker 1: want to give Aaron Donald that that is not earned it.

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Speaker 1: He's earned it and everybody is set with the organization.

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Speaker 1: They've said that, But you have to come to a

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Speaker 1: correct number that works for both sides. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's a negotiation true and Aaron Donald, I mean, when

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Speaker 1: Donald when he gets here and he'll be a team guy.

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Speaker 1: But when you do as a team and you pay

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Speaker 1: the future as well. What is this deal going to

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Speaker 1: you have some decisions to many of this, you have

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Speaker 1: decisions to make, So how does this affect that? So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it takes time to get these deals done.

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Speaker 1: But the one thing that does encourage me or doesn't

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Speaker 1: He's a down lineman. He puts his hand down, sea ball,

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Speaker 1: get ball. Yes, It's not like he has to take

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Speaker 1: as many reps as the quarterback, right, there's not many

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Speaker 1: their very live. I mean, you can put Aaron Donald

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Speaker 1: these negotiations are going. You've not heard numbers, you know, right,

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Speaker 1: discussions have gone. You're not hearing anything from either camp.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you think about the press conference that Less

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Speaker 1: Sneed and Sean McVay had the day before camp started.

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Speaker 1: They use the word respect so many times, talked about respecting,

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Speaker 1: respecting as a player, respecting me as a human, respecting

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Speaker 1: this process, And I think that huge. That's why this

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Speaker 1: process it seems like it's going to come to an end.

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Speaker 1: At some point with something that works for both sides. True. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: as a player, when you're sitting in the locker room,

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Speaker 1: if I'm sitting next to Aaron Donald, and I've been

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Speaker 1: and he's like, mysone a hat take from you? Hey, ware,

426
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Speaker 1: who do you who are from? No round draft picks

427
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Speaker 1: that you think might get cut. I'm like, I don't know, Like, yeah,

428
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Speaker 1: he asked me this when there's been one padded practice

429
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't know. I don't have enough

430
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Speaker 1: information to do do that. He's like, it's it's code a

431
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Speaker 1: hat take because yeah, you need that. You exposed like that,

432
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Speaker 1: you're an insider. I'm like, man, go you know to

433
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Speaker 1: work on your bedside. Man, Well, I just think that's

434
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Speaker 1: a legit question. That's a legitimate question him it's too early.

435
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Speaker 1: I did say it was too early. You just mocked

436
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Speaker 1: the guy. Yeah, I just mocked him. Now just tell

437
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Speaker 1: him it's too early. I did tell him it was

438
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Speaker 1: too early, and they I literally said those things, and

439
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 1: go scroll through my timeline you might find it. But

440
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Speaker 1: he came back at me with, oh, I'm sorry, I

441
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Speaker 1: thought you were around players being good. I hope it

442
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Speaker 1: iss right there. See this guy looks nice. I like

443
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Speaker 1: him guy, But no, I just but my thing right now, Look,

444
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Speaker 1: we've seen what three four days of pads. We've not

445
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 1: seen a preseason game, right, it's hard to sort a handicap. Okay,

446
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 1: who do you think it's gonna get cut? I don't know.

447
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Speaker 1: It's too early to start, right. Yeah, we don't know

448
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Speaker 1: who the starters are, right, Um, I know what they

449
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Speaker 1: are in pencil, what the depth chart says. But this

450
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Speaker 1: is professional football. Anything could happen at any time, so

451
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 1: we don't know. We have no idea. I bet the

452
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Speaker 1: coaches don't even know. Yeah. I don't think so either.

453
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Speaker 1: So that's I mean that I think is part of

454
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Speaker 1: the interesting part. That's how I would answer. Yes, Well,

455
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Speaker 1: that's the way I answered it. Tweet me. Yeah, I'm

456
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Speaker 1: a nice journey I know, all right. Brandon at no

457
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Speaker 1: plan B asks us, is John Sullivan the starting center

458
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Speaker 1: or is the job still up for Grass. I'd say

459
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Speaker 1: it's it's his job to lose. I would say the

460
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Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, he's got the most experience, the third

461
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Speaker 1: most experience on the offensive line, second most experience on

462
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Speaker 1: the old line. I think I think Sea Worth, Sullivan,

463
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Speaker 1: Roger then Roger. Yeah, I would say it's his job

464
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Speaker 1: to luke. Yeah. Yeah. And one of what you know,

465
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Speaker 1: you talk to different guys either on the offensive line,

466
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Speaker 1: even Jared Goff at quarterback, they say that there's a

467
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Speaker 1: stabilizing presence that John Sullivan brings as a veteran center.

468
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Speaker 1: Talking to Jamon Brown last week, he even said, you know,

469
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Speaker 1: the great thing about Sullivan is that he's decisive. He

470
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Speaker 1: makes a call, you know what it is, you stick

471
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Speaker 1: to it, and that allows other guys to sort of

472
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Speaker 1: either know exactly what they're doing or they can play

473
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Speaker 1: freer because of that. So I think that's one of

474
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Speaker 1: the good things about John Sullivan. Now, whenever you're talking

475
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Speaker 1: about John Sullivan, unfortunately you got to bring up the

476
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Speaker 1: injury story, Yeah, because that's there, especially because it's a

477
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Speaker 1: back injury. Yeah, and back injury yeah, they're tricky, um,

478
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Speaker 1: but at center, especially in this conference in this division

479
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Speaker 1: when you think about it, Yeah, let me take that back.

480
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Speaker 1: About the division, I mean you're not facing that ninety

481
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Speaker 1: three fours to where the center is going to be

482
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Speaker 1: covered a lot. Yeah, yeah, a lot. Most of the time,

483
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Speaker 1: he's going to be spent in space chasing linebackers. Yeah,

484
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's gonna be no cycles you have to

485
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Speaker 1: block at some point, but you're not expecting him to

486
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Speaker 1: blow people off the ball right in this offense, being smart,

487
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Speaker 1: making sure your letter perfect in protection, that to me,

488
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Speaker 1: would be a winning scenario for your for your starting center. Yes, exactly.

489
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Speaker 1: So I think that's part of it. But you have

490
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Speaker 1: to also think about, Okay, what's the future of the

491
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Speaker 1: offensive line, right, because you've got guys on Jared Gouff, Yeah, yeah,

492
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Speaker 1: because you've got I mean the guy in Andrew in

493
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Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth, who was thirty five years old and we

494
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Speaker 1: were just talking to him on rams Camp Live. Great

495
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Speaker 1: conversation with him, and he's such a knowledgeable guy and

496
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Speaker 1: he really does take staying fit and his you know,

497
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Speaker 1: his body, taking care of his body. Takes that very seriously.

498
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Speaker 1: But then you've got him, you've got Sullivan, and then

499
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Speaker 1: you've got some guys that, you know, you hope can

500
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Speaker 1: be death pieces, right, you know, behind guys like that

501
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Speaker 1: like interesting and Andrew Donnell. I'm trying to figure out

502
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Speaker 1: who the swing tackle is, okay, Yeah, yeah, I mean

503
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have your starting five and you're gonna have

504
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Speaker 1: a sixth and a seven, right right, Probably one guy

505
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Speaker 1: is gonna be your interior swing guy play center, plays

506
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Speaker 1: both guards, yeah, and somebody's gonna have to be able

507
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Speaker 1: to play tackle you on one side or the other.

508
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Speaker 1: So who's your backup swing tackle? Yeah? I think that

509
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Speaker 1: job's up for grads right now. Yeah, I think so too. So, um,

510
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Speaker 1: let's think about, um, what we learn when these guys

511
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Speaker 1: are in pads as opposed to when they've just been

512
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Speaker 1: kind of in you know, the jerseys and the shorts.

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Speaker 1: Because we were talking about this last week when things

514
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Speaker 1: that were initially getting going, like what kind of is

515
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Speaker 1: the difference there? Well, the thing I noticed when they

516
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Speaker 1: put pads on is how fast this defensive unit can be. Yeah,

517
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Speaker 1: a base three four or any three four defense is

518
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Speaker 1: going to be faster than most four three Yeah, because

519
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: they're smaller, lighter guys on the edge. Yeah, So that

520
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Speaker 1: didn't disappear when they put the pads on. Yeah, it

521
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Speaker 1: actually increased. I love the fact that LaMarcus Joiner is

522
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Speaker 1: now paying Yes, I mean now he has the ability

523
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Speaker 1: to fly to the football from anywhere. Yes, he's always

524
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Speaker 1: in the play. I love this. Yes. The other side,

525
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Speaker 1: offensively speaking, you know you're not going to see that

526
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Speaker 1: much out of Todd Gurley in training camp. Yeah, but

527
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Speaker 1: I do like the way he is setting up with

528
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Speaker 1: blocks and how it seems like they have a better understanding,

529
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Speaker 1: a better feeling for where the ball is gonna go. Ye,

530
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Speaker 1: run plays and that doesn't show up in shorts, Yeah,

531
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Speaker 1: but it shows up in pads because guys are being blocked. Well,

532
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Speaker 1: that was something I think that showed up in the

533
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Speaker 1: scrimmage that happened yesterday against the Chargers up there at

534
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Speaker 1: stubhob and I obviously I was not there was at

535
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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. If you're watching this, you can

536
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Speaker 1: see I'm wearing a Hall of Fame shirt. But that's

537
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Speaker 1: something I don't Why did that? Sorry? Was my quarterback?

538
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Speaker 1: Yeah he was. I'm just saying ahead, Okay, Yeah, it

539
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Speaker 1: wasn't my quarterback like that. Nineteen ninety nine, though, is

540
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Speaker 1: the first Super Bowl. I remember, nice. Yeah that was

541
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Speaker 1: the first one. Yeah, that's the only one I remember.

542
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Speaker 1: I don't remember what I was talking about anymore. Todd Gurley. Yeah,

543
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: so yeah, it seems like he is reading blocks better. Um,

544
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Speaker 1: I remember watching him out here last week. There's one

545
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Speaker 1: specific run where it looked like he went through hole

546
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Speaker 1: by hole, almost like you know, a quarterback going through

547
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Speaker 1: his progressions. It was like he looked at one He's like,

548
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Speaker 1: oh no, I'm not going to go through there. So

549
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: we slip outside up, not going through that one, and

550
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: then to the outside again and he found the hole

551
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Speaker 1: and he got up the field. And I think it's

552
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Speaker 1: encouraging to see Todd's vision sort of come to light

553
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Speaker 1: now in this going into his third year. Oh yeah,

554
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Speaker 1: and we talk a lot about Sean McVay and Jared Goff,

555
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: there's also Sean McVay and Todd Girls. Yeah, the plays

556
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Speaker 1: that he likes to run and where he likes to

557
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: hit them, Yeah, designing plays to fit his skill set.

558
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Speaker 1: So I think it's he's got experience, he has confidence

559
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Speaker 1: in this offensive coordinator, in this head coach, and the

560
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: offensive line is blocking better or at least they're training better.

561
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Speaker 1: So it seems like the run players are working. We'll

562
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Speaker 1: see what happens when there's another colored jersey on the

563
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: other side. Yes, we'll see if they can actually get

564
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: some knocks some people off the football and get some

565
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: depth there. But in practice, it seems like he has

566
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: a better feel for where the holes are going to

567
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: be and how these guys are gonna block up front. Yeah.

568
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,239
Speaker 1: So my guy on Twitter, mikey d you wanted to

569
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: know this. It's that when you're talking about a practice

570
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: like the Rams have with the Chargers, and you're thudding,

571
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: you're not really taking guys to the ground, you're not

572
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Speaker 1: doing live tackling. What sort of is the benefit that

573
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Speaker 1: you can see from I don't know either an evaluation

574
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Speaker 1: standpoint standpoint when you're scrimmaging. Yeah, when you're scrimmaging the

575
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Speaker 1: other teams, even though you're not taking guys, let's just

576
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: cut right through it. I'll tell you what the benefit is.

577
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Speaker 1: You don't care about him, huh, I don't care if

578
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Speaker 1: I put you in the ice tub, right, You're not

579
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Speaker 1: gonna help me win. Yeah. Yeah, So that's the difference.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are some things that when you're practicing

581
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Speaker 1: to get your own guys, you just can't do yeah,

582
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Speaker 1: as an athlete. As a teammate, I don't want to

583
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: hurt you. Yeah, I need you for game day, But

584
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: you're going against somebody else's guys. Well, who cares? You know,

585
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: I may throw an elbow to you know, your hip.

586
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: I'll do that in a game, you know. I can

587
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: practice that here, but I can't practice that against my

588
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: guys here. Yeah, but out there? Who cares if I

589
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: hurt you? It's just the way it goes. So another

590
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: colored jersey just frees you up as an athlete to

591
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: go harder than what you would against your own guys.

592
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: Did you do much of that when you were playing

593
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Speaker 1: going against image the Chicago Bears once and that got

594
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Speaker 1: out of hand. I've got out of hand, got out

595
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Speaker 1: of hand. Up in Platteville they had Alonso Spellman. You've

596
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: heard the name. I think Google search Alonzo Spellman. So

597
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: is that why it got out of hand? What do

598
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: you think they got out of the scarry? Oh my god?

599
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: What do you see this guy? Well, I mean Andrew

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Speaker 1: Whitworth is It seems like the kind of guy that

601
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Speaker 1: you know, He's very nice until he gets on the

602
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: field and then he's probably just a different human. Yeah, right, um,

603
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: Alonzo Spellman was the same on and on Okay, yeah,

604
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: just there was no other guys. Yeah, I mean, so

605
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: we saw each other the same way. We thought we

606
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Speaker 1: were better than them and they thought they were better

607
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: than us. So about two days in, you know, well

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Speaker 1: it's two days. How many days were you there? We

609
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: were there? I think we were there for two whole days,

610
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Speaker 1: three days goodness. Yeah, and it kind of yeah, he

611
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Speaker 1: got a little scary for a minute, got like, you know,

612
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: we were going games speed and then beyond. And we

613
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Speaker 1: actually scrimmaged the Indianapolis Colts. Okay, I believe it was

614
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Speaker 1: many Mannis first year. Oh really, Tony Mandridge was there. Okay, Yeah,

615
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: so that was okay, we got some good work against them.

616
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's the same thing. I mean, it's just

617
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: guys that don't know you, guys that don't have a

618
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: playbook on you, and you can just turn it loose

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, And I think that's kind of

620
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: important during the dog days of camp, isn't it. Yeah,

621
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Speaker 1: it gives guys motivation. I mean, look, if you're a

622
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Speaker 1: defensive lineman, offensive lineman and you're going through one on

623
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Speaker 1: ones with the same guys. After two days, he's seen

624
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: all your moves. Yeah, you've seen all his pass sets,

625
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: receiver versus corner. After about two or three days, he'll

626
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: be able to read your route right. So when you

627
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: get to go against different people, it's new stuff, and

628
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: whatever you think won't work agains your own people will

629
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Speaker 1: work against them because they haven't seen him. Yeah, what

630
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: are you know talking about coverage and things like that.

631
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: Oh no, what do you thought of the corner so far?

632
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: You know? I like the the the addition of Cavon Webster,

633
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: I do um and I like the way Tremaine Johnson

634
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: has come to camp. Yeah, he's really dialed in and

635
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 1: they're coaching him to get better and he's accepting that coaching.

636
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: So I love the size of the corners, the way

637
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: they look in how they're being played. Now when you

638
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: get Aaron Donald back on the field with Robert Quinn, yeah,

639
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: and what you have coming at the quarterback, I think

640
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: opposing offenses will have some coverage issues and some protection

641
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: issues at the same time. Yeah, which makes you a

642
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: good defense. Yeah. Okay, So speaking of the secondary, John

643
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: ass Is Cody Davis, the backup free safety ahead of

644
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: John Johnson, you'd have to say, yes, Yes, one's a

645
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: rookie and one's been around, right, Yeah, one's a major

646
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: contributor to special teams and defense. Yeah, and Cody Davis.

647
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: I think at some point Johnson is going to turn

648
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: into Cody Davis. Yeah, he'll be all over the place.

649
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: He'll be a what I like to call a working

650
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: professional football player, which means you're no, you're on defense.

651
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: I understand when you're on special teams, you're gonna do everything.

652
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: I just love it when people say you know, and

653
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: you know head coach Sean McVay has been guilty of

654
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: this once or twice. It's like that guy, he's a

655
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: football player, Like, yeah, thanks, coach. We know, but I

656
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: know I know what he means. It's like when you

657
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: write it and you're transcribing it, it's like, sounds funny,

658
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: this guy is a football player. Like it just it

659
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: doesn't really look Yeah, it doesn't look right in print

660
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: as it looks in other places. Some guys, like you know,

661
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: when special teams, when you start special teams meeting, yeah,

662
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: they get up and walk out. Yeah, because they're not

663
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: on teams. They're specialists. Yeah. But most of the team

664
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: is in that room, right I think Johnson is going

665
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: to be in that group, yes, yeah, a lot for

666
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: most of his career. Yeah. Probably. But the thing about

667
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: the secondary that I'm finding interesting right now is it's hard,

668
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: at least for me to sort of get a read

669
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: on what the personnel groupings are. And I think that's

670
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: because the rams are going to be multiple. I think

671
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips, you know, people talk about his system is

672
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: sort of being easy to pick up, but it's still

673
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: so effective, and I think that's because of the way

674
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: he knows how to work guys in and work in

675
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: personnel groups and sub different guys and all that. And

676
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: so you know, right now, when you take a look

677
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: at some of the secondary, you're seeing LaMarcus Joiner out there,

678
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: but you're seeing the Kelly Robie Coleman out there too.

679
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: And then you got Cavon Webster and Truemain Johnson, but

680
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: you also have Moe Alexander and sometimes Cody Davis. They're

681
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: all kind of getting mixed up. It's going to be difficult,

682
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: I think, at least right now, for me to sort

683
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: of get a read on exactly what this secondary is

684
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: gonna look like probably until a couple of weeks into

685
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: this season. I've heard this before about Wade Phillips's defense,

686
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: where he has subgroups and packages to where they use

687
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: it so much that even if you're a backup on

688
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: the depth chart, you still feel like a starter. Yeah,

689
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: because you may be in this package of the time

690
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: in the game, and then the next week it could flip. So,

691
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody is just as important as the next guy,

692
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: so they're all getting reps um. I think behind the

693
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: starters at outside backer, yeah, I think this is where

694
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: it gets kind of confusing because those jobs are wide open. Yes, yeah,

695
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: behind the two starters rushing the pastor your edge rushers

696
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: wide open. That is what I can't wait for for Saturday.

697
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: I can't wait for game Day. Yeah, me too. And

698
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: you know we talked about this last week. I'm after

699
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: the first day in pass where they had Bones's special

700
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: team's drill where it's basically mono imano and they're just

701
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: going up against one another. Wait, let's go back. Is

702
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: it monomoy or is it mono emon I'm pretty sure

703
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: it's mono monomano. It's because mono that's hand in hand,

704
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: but it's it would be e as in Latin. I

705
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: always thought this. I always thought this was a Latin phrase. Yeah,

706
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if it actually is a lot. I

707
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: need to figure this out. Can somebody tweet us thank you?

708
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: Mono amano mono em Lets us figure this out? Yes, um?

709
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: And the dress is blue? Yeah? And a hot dog

710
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: is a sandwich? No. You know why a hot dog

711
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: isn't a sandwich because if you remove the bun, then

712
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: you still got a hot dog. You have meat? No,

713
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: I have a sausage. No, yes, it's bread and meat.

714
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: He equals sandwich. No, thank you, doesn't make anything anyway.

715
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: And the dress is blue? Did we get it? Motto?

716
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: A motto? Go ahead? Okay, so mom and hand to hand. Okay,

717
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: but we're talking man to man. But that's so that's

718
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: not really what man to man is, not really what

719
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: it is, but that's what everybody seems to think. It's

720
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: like a colloquialism. We're okay, okay, well, thank you very much.

721
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,239
Speaker 1: Yeah I am okay. But anyway, we're going back to

722
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: that drill because I want to talk about Samson Abcom

723
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: and he's a guy who was going to compete at

724
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: outside backer. Now he also unfortunately suffered a minor hamstring

725
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: injury during that day. I think everybody, like I know,

726
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: I don't understand. I guess I just need to. I

727
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: want you to hate me. I'm just kidding ahead. I

728
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: know that, mir Rings, but I think you know, you

729
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: talk to guys like Joe Berry. I remember talking to

730
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: him right after they drafted Samson Abri linebackers coach Joe Berry,

731
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: and he was saying that they felt like they really

732
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: got a good guy who can come in and compete

733
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: because of what he was doing at outside backer in

734
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 1: the position he is playing Eddie Stern Washington. Now, again,

735
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: this is an FCS school, same school as Cooper Cups,

736
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: so he's not necessarily going up against that kind of competition.

737
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: But he's come in and he's looked more polished than

738
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: you probably would expect somebody to look who's coming out

739
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: of that kind of FCS environment. Yeah, you go back

740
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: and watch some of their tape, some of their games,

741
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: and you watch their special teams. They were good there too,

742
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: So it's no shock that a guy coming out of there, yeah,

743
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: is comfortable in special teams drills. That's the first thing

744
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: I noticed, Like some guys have to be taught. Some

745
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: guys have been specialists their whole life. There they weren't

746
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: asked to do a lot on special teams tackling and

747
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: receiving the other way. But it seems like this is

748
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: a natural progression, that it's no big deal or a

749
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: shock to him. Yeah, that he likes. He actually likes

750
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: doing it and playing defense. So yes, get healthy, get

751
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: back out there. That's a guy that can be one

752
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: of your core teamers. He really could be. And honestly,

753
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: I think he could be a good guy to spell

754
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: somebody like a Connor Barwin at that outside linebacker spot,

755
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: because you're going to need guys who can do that,

756
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: especially for those roles on the outside. I mean, look,

757
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: let's be honest here. Robert Quinn right now is healthy

758
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 1: and we hope that he can stay healthy. But he's

759
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: had a couple of troubles in the last couple of years.

760
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: So fifteen sixteen games in two seasons, yeah, yeah, I

761
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: think he's missed almost yeah, missed half a year, So

762
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: that's what that So you want to make sure you

763
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: have that death and that's very important at those kind

764
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: of spot. I'd rather have Quinn healthy for sixteen I

765
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: would too. I think anybody on this defense would you know.

766
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: I love watching he and Whitworth go at it. Yeah,

767
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: it's been fun. People we're talking to Whitworthy Quinn walk

768
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: behind him. I mean, they can't get enough of each other.

769
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: I just Iron sharpens into really just said that. Shout

770
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: out to my guy, Joe Fan your dollar. Yeah, that's fine,

771
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: my guy Joe Fan looked us up. All he said,

772
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: does Iron really sharpened? It's just answer is no, it's

773
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: just as a matter of fact, it is just the

774
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: saying Iron does not in fact sharpened. Irons again, shout out,

775
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: I pay you that dollar in pennies, Joe Fan from

776
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. Yeah, thank you. Richard Sherman. Yeah,

777
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: it's a bad phrase, but people say it all the time. Yes, yeah,

778
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: and it's just one of those again, it's a colloquially

779
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: but Iron really doesn't shure. Iron is not sharpen. He

780
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: googled Joe Joe I google, I will look interesting. Yeah.

781
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: Apparently hate myself saying yeah, okay, I don't like you

782
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: for saying, but they're making each other better. Okay, yes,

783
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: those are two guys that are good, that are making

784
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: each other better. Yes, who are some maybe under the

785
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: radar players that have stood out to you. You know, look,

786
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: Aaron Green is a guy I like, Oh guy, Um,

787
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: there's not much he can't do. Yeah. I think the

788
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: only thing that you would say you you would change

789
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: about him is you'd make him a little bit bigger.

790
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe just a little bit bigger. But when you're

791
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: talking about a receiver out of the backfield, Wow, he's

792
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: good at that. Carrying the football. He's got a great timing, Yeah,

793
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: great acceleration. I love it. I love watching the I

794
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: thought he had a fantastic presism last year. So we'll

795
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: see what he does this year. But I'd say watch

796
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: out for him. He's another one of those guys you know,

797
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: when you're talking about going from year one to year two,

798
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: they can make that jump. I think it's significant that

799
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: he's spent the entire year on the Rams practice squad

800
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: last year. That means he was in the meeting rooms,

801
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: he was getting that experience, and now he's going to

802
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: helpfully be able to translate that to what he can

803
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: do on the field. But the other thing about Aaron Green,

804
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: and you know, you don't want to necessarily have people

805
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: injured to give you a leg up. But with the

806
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: rams injury situation with Lance Dunbar right now, I mean

807
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: everything really is uncertain there right now, especially from what

808
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: had coach Sean McVeigh has said over the last couple

809
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: of weeks. So that could be an opportunity for Aaron

810
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: Green to maybe get some of those reps that Lance

811
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: Dunbar would get when it comes to receiving the ball,

812
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 1: especially out of the back right. You know, I think

813
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: he has a chance to be very, very dynamic. Um.

814
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, Morgan Fox, Yeah, he is a guy

815
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: that lit it up in the preseason, that's been flashing

816
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: out here and just by virtue of Dominic easily not

817
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: being here, Lewis Triko Passide is a guy that's gonna

818
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: get a good look in the interior. So those guys

819
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: I would bet are going to be at the top

820
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 1: of the stat sheet in preseason football game. Yeah. Probably.

821
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: And I'm really looking forward to seeing Morgan Fox kind

822
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: of in this scheme because I think Taylor made Yeah,

823
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: Taylor made for this scheme. You know, he's one of

824
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: these guys that's got such good person acceleration off the

825
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: line that he can really cause problems. And he's been

826
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: doing that out here so far during camp, and you

827
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: can tell, especially when they get the pads on. Yeah,

828
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to seeing him in the preseason.

829
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: The dell of Adova of five techniques, you know, I

830
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: like that reference. Yes, I'm here for anything. Anytime time

831
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: we bring up Matthew Daldove up one other guy, I

832
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: do want to talk about that sort of caught my

833
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: eyesh kure Ryan, Yeah, thank you. Give me some little guy, yeah, yeah,

834
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: a little guy, yeah man, yeah, yeah, he's number twelve.

835
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: You'll probably see him this weekend. About how much he

836
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: wives too, Yeah, a little guy you on five? Seven? Maybe, Yeah,

837
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: he's got long here. And again I'm just giving you

838
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: ways to recognize him on the field. But what I

839
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: like about him is that he has started making place.

840
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: You know, he's been able to make receptions down the field,

841
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: those long deep routes. They've also tried him out a

842
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: little bit at punt returner. He seems like he's got

843
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: some dynamic returning abilities. So I'm interested to see what

844
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: he can do in the preseason because look, if he's

845
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: a guy that can start showing out there, yeah, he

846
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: has the potential to maybe sneak on the fifty three

847
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: or if not, get on the practice squad. We've watched

848
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: him in drills. He's exciting to watch. He's quick, his

849
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 1: punt return ability. Like you said, you can tell there's

850
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: there's something to him. The one thing I would want

851
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: to see, or I do want to see, is when

852
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: he takes his first big league hit. Yeah, because he's

853
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: not very big. No, he's not, and everybody at this

854
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: level can run, so at some point they're gonna have

855
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: a beat on you and you're gonna take one. So

856
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: I want to see what happens there. I remember a

857
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: couple of years ago when Danny Amendola, we used to

858
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: say the same thing about him. You know, he's not

859
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: very big, the guy can make some plays. Let me

860
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: see what happens once he gets hit. Turns out he's

861
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: one of the tougher guys out there, so still playing.

862
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: So maybe he could be cut from that same cloth.

863
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, his ability definitely shows up. Okay, So we've

864
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: got a couple of things going on this week now,

865
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: and I guess we'll talk about this first. Obviously, I

866
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: was in Canton the last couple of days for the

867
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and seeing Kurt Warner get inducted as

868
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: his teammate. I mean, you guys won the Super Bowl together.

869
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: What does it mean to you to see Kurt get involved. Man,

870
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to put it in the words. Watching

871
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: Orlando go in, even Jackie Slider, Yeah, you know, I

872
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: was a rookie. We played together two seasons. Seeing him

873
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: go in, seeing Marshall go in, that to me really

874
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: started it because it's one of us. It's our guys. Um.

875
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: Sometimes when I close my eyes at night, you know

876
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: when you're right between you know, awake and sleep, and

877
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: you start to dream and you dream about nineteen ninety nine,

878
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm right back in that room with

879
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: those guys. So to see those guys being inducted into

880
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame is is amazing and it's all deserved. Yeah,

881
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner. The naysayers about Kurt Warner used to drive

882
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: me crazy, and I'm not gonna you know, I'm not

883
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: gonna grow now. But I mean, I've seen the guy

884
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: up close. I know the guy's got a heart of

885
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: a champion. I know he has the heart of a

886
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Um, I don't care what the numbers

887
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: or the mid part of his career. Look like when

888
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: he was out there with us, when he was in

889
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: the biggest games possible. Every time he left the field

890
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl, he gave his team the league,

891
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: the first team had the league. How many guys can

892
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: you say that about. Not many that are in the

893
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: whole of Fame. Tremendous leader, and he's legit. Everything that

894
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: comes out of his mouth is real. Yeah, it's not

895
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: just for show. He lives and he walked, he walks

896
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: the talk. So it was the only time in my

897
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: life that I've watched the Hall of Fame and cried

898
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: when a guy was talking. Oh yeah, that was my

899
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: next question. You did watch the speech then? Yeah, when

900
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: he's talking about the hardships and you know, people given

901
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: him a chance. When he when Dick Vermeil saw him

902
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: in the hallway and told him he made the team. Well,

903
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: we're just right down the hall, yeah, you know, and

904
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: seeing him going from that guy, the third string quarterback

905
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: that we didn't talk to, to all of a sudden

906
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: leading the team to become MVP. But he's still the

907
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 1: same guy. Yeah. And then he's in the Hall of Fame,

908
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: and then the world gets to see that he's the

909
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: same guy. Amazing man brought me to tears. Okay, the

910
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: third string quarterback that you didn't talk. No one talks

911
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: to the third string quarterback, asked Dan Rulowski. Now, no

912
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: one talks to you. They just yell at you. No,

913
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: I will say this, you know, being there, I'd never

914
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: been to a Hall of Fame ceremony before. Obviously. Yeah,

915
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: I grew up in Cleveland, so it's not like the

916
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame is a foreign place to me. I

917
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: in there. I love going there, I love looking at

918
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: the bus, I love you know, just going through the

919
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: history of the game. It's it's awesome to see that. Um.

920
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: But the thing that I think left the biggest impression

921
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: on me was the gold Jacket dinner. And that was

922
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 1: Friday night, UM. And that's obviously when they get their

923
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: gold jackets, right. So right, it's it's kind of a

924
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: highly produced thing for television at this point. But what

925
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: I think you do still notice is the sort of

926
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: emotion that goes into it because you've got literally two

927
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: long lines of Hall of famers and they all greet

928
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: these guys as they are now coming to the middle

929
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: of the stage in order to then get their gold Jackets.

930
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: It's a really incredible thing to see. And what you

931
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: don't see on television is that all of these guys

932
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: get introduced to the room. So it's basically like four

933
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: hundred people in this and in the Canton Civic Center.

934
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: It's where the Canton Charge plays, the Cavs D League team.

935
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: Apparently I didn't know this. I didn't know this either

936
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: before the act, my whole life and not knowing that. Yeah,

937
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: but they've got a lot of tables. It's kind of

938
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: like the Golden Globe. Yeah, yeah, you know, because all

939
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: these people are eating dinner and I'm like sitting back

940
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: there being very hungry. But anyway, so they Hall of

941
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: Famers get introduced one by one, you know, Jim Brown

942
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: obviously huge ovation because we're in northeast Ohio again, Guys,

943
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: Jackie Slater, Dan Marino's coming in, Troy Aikman's like, Michael

944
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: Irv and the list goes on and on and on.

945
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: Gail Sayers is in the room. It's incredible to see

946
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: all of these guys in one place. Yeah, and then

947
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: as the Hall of Famers are introduced, they're all shaking hands.

948
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: That's awesome. It's so great. It's football immortality. Um, I

949
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: believe I heard the story through Warrensap or was it

950
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: Marshall and they were talking about the great Deacon Jones.

951
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: So that team is so exclusive, the Hall of Fame team,

952
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: that you can't even die off. Yes, yes, it's amazing. Yeah,

953
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: you're the best of the best, man. I mean, you're

954
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: the best that this game has to offer. And you know,

955
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: when we're all cosmic dust someday and you know, aliens

956
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: are picking through our bones and they want to tell

957
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: the story of professional football, those are the guys who're

958
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: going to talk about exactly they live forever exactly. Well,

959
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: I think it was really awesome, So congratulations to Kurt Warner.

960
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: Obviously I'm making it into the Hall of Fame. D

961
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: Any final thoughts before we close this out. Let's get

962
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: the preseason man. Yeah, it'll be kind of like Real Force.

963
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: But I still say football is not back until week one.

964
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: Don't listen to him, I know, right. Hey, guys, thanks

965
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: so much for tuning into this edition of Between the Horns.

966
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: Wherever you may be in football, we will see you

967
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: next time.