1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff, give you, guys, the best independent. 6 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 3: Coverage that is possible. 7 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means 8 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support. 9 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show. 10 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: So, of course, the recriminations have begun within the Democratic Party, 11 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: where they are desperately trying not to learn any of 12 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: the actually correct lessons about what led to their failures. However, 13 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: we wanted to go through some of the finger pointing 14 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: that is going on here. Let's put this up on 15 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: the screen. Apparently you got a bunch of folks out 16 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: there who are mad at George Clooney for being part 17 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: of the charge to push Biden out of the race. 18 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: We can put this element up on the screen, guys. 19 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: The Daily Beast wrote this up. Apparently, George Clooney facing 20 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: a backlash from demoralized Democrats for demanding that Joe Biden 21 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: quit the presidential race. And I do want to say 22 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: I got the election wrong. But I did predict that 23 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: there would be some subset of Demos who were like, 24 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: you know, geez, if we had just. 25 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 4: Stuck with Joe Biden, then we would have won. 26 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 3: Ifa is Joe Biden. 27 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 4: They would have so delusional. 28 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: New Mexico, and they would have lost the popular by 29 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: like ten million votes, not the current five million votes 30 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: that they're currently on. It would have been like a 31 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: four hundred state blowout instead of a three hundred and 32 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: twelve or sorry, four hundred electoral will blowout instead of 33 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: three hundred and twelve electoral votes. 34 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: And the whole thing is ridiculous. 35 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 4: It is ridiculous. 36 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: And you know, the other I was thinking about this 37 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: that was like, okay, so let's think about the alternative 38 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: universe where you know, Joe Biden just stays in. And 39 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: in the sense it would have been like less painful 40 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: for people because they would have just expected to lose. 41 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: But I think they also then would not have had 42 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: they would have just blamed the loss. 43 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 4: Just on Joe Biden's page. 44 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: Right, that's right, and it would not have been evident 45 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: that like, no, there's a deeper, fundamental underlying issue here 46 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: that if you all don't reckon with you are just 47 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: going to continue to lose from here on out. So 48 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: you all should still be thanking George Clooney at L 49 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: for helping to, you know, persuade the party to move 50 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: Joe Biden out of the race, even though you know 51 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: where they the original sin is. Of course, well they're 52 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: not the original sin, but in this particular cycle, was 53 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: just deciding not to have a democratic primary at all, 54 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: Like the terror of democracy is what ultimately leads to 55 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: this place. And you know, I fully believe if they 56 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: had actually had a democratic primary, I Thinkamala would have 57 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: been in it. I think Gavin Newsom would have been 58 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: in it. I think other people would have jumped in 59 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: at Gretchen Wimmer, who knows Pete Buddhajice, And maybe I 60 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: think it's possible that Kamala comes out of that primary 61 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: process because just as being the vice president, you have 62 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: a lot of advantages. I don't think that would have happened, 63 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: but I think it's possible. 64 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 4: But even if that was the. 65 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: Case, she would have had more democratic legitimacy, she would 66 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: have been more tested, she would have had to improve 67 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: her skills in you know, adversarial situations, and she would 68 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: have had an entire primary process to lay out why 69 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: she would be different from Joe Biden. And so, you know, 70 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: I think Biden is in part to blame, of course 71 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: for not sticking by his pledge to be a one 72 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: term president, or at least leading people to believe that 73 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: he would be a one term president, but also all 74 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party elites who circled the wagons and protected 75 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: this guy from having to face any sort of an 76 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: adversarial process, Like, you need to realize that you'll screwed 77 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: yourselves with that. That was a devastating error on your part. 78 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 3: It's so obvious. 79 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: And what was actually even crazier is the level of 80 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: pull that these Biden people still have despite their illegitimacy. 81 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: Can we put the next tweet up there on the screen, please, 82 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: the Obama staffers blaming Biden. So David Pluff actually tweeted 83 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: about how they're about how they were starting from behind 84 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: and how they've had like an insurmountable problem. And you know, 85 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: Jackie Heinrich, she tweets here she shows that Obama staffers 86 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: are trying to plan to blame on Biden for Harris's loss. 87 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: Biden World said that Pluff was sanctimonious asshole, he says, 88 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: I find this so unproductive. Joe Biden is a president 89 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: of the United States, and one without you. He successfully 90 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: beat Donald Trump, something he never did. But here's the thing. 91 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: David Pluff has now literally crystal deleted his He was 92 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: forced to delete his entire account from Twitter because of 93 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: the pylon from all of the Biden wars. So it 94 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 2: shows you that acknowledging reality, even today, after this devastating 95 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: loss by the Democratic Party, is still not possible in 96 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: Biden's Washington, and that actually gives me less faith than 97 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 2: ever that they will ever do anything about it, because 98 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 2: it's clear now like the internal cult behavior and the 99 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: self reinforcing mechanisms are just too damn strong, you know. 100 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: I mean, even when they forced. 101 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: Biden out, it was He's the greatest president ever, selfless, 102 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: god fearing, greatest Jesus Christ. Arnay, you know all this, 103 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: and thank you for going away to but it's like, 104 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 2: you know, no, Ben, you are hands down. I'm gonna 105 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: say this of the modern era other enjoy Bush. I 106 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: think he's the worst, right, I mean, I don't think 107 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: he can come away from it. And I'm not talking 108 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: about just policy level like look at what he did, 109 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,119 Speaker 2: Like in terms of his stated goals, his stated goal 110 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: was never to really do anything for the country. 111 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 3: It was just I will save you from Donald Trump. 112 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 4: Was to end the Trump that. 113 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 3: Was his That's it. 114 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: And I've talked about this a million times. The very 115 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: first model I ever did for Rising was about Joe 116 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 2: Biden and how all he ever talked about was defeating 117 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: Donald Trump, and how he never presented any faith, which 118 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: is kind of crazy in retrospect. And now to sit 119 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: here on the other side of his now humiliation and 120 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: now this loss in the popular vote to Donald Trump, 121 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: you are an unambiguous failure. Like, honestly, Jimmy Carter. 122 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 3: Was more of a successful president than you were, dude, 123 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 3: of them. 124 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not only a better person, but literally a 125 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: better president in terms of what he was able to do, 126 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: and even in terms of his loss, like you could 127 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: at least say, like Jimmy won a primary. He also 128 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,679 Speaker 2: ran on quote unquote like healing us from the Watergate agent. 129 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 2: He was actually primarily successful in that, you know, in 130 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: terms of Biden, like the one thing that he set 131 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: out to do, he failed that dramatically historically. 132 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 3: Not to mention all the policy stuff that also went wrong. 133 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: Under him, and the one area where we rely on 134 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 2: the president of the United States for judgment, he failed 135 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: on that too, where he's old and people who have 136 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: real faith, like we know, you know, everybody knows old people, 137 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: and many of them had great humility, and we're just like, 138 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: there's no way that I could be president. 139 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 3: There is not possible for me. I need to know that. 140 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 3: Sometimes it's you know, my time in the sun is up. Yeah, 141 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 3: and that's okay yea. 142 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 2: And he his narcissism around his family, around himself, led 143 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: to the place of where we are and so really, 144 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: not since George W. Bush have we suffered so deeply 145 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: as a country because of one man's narcissism. 146 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: And also not since George W. 147 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: Bush is one man's narcissism and frankly idiocy has doomed 148 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: his national party to such a historic failure. 149 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 3: I think that is all correct. 150 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: I just I would assign equal amount of blame though 151 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: to the Democratic Party at leads who are around him, 152 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: who protected him from it as well, because listen, he's 153 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: a president, you know, and he's been seeking the presidency 154 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: for his entire life. No one should be surprised that 155 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: he's such a nurses that he's not going to let 156 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: go of the brass ring. Like that's incredibly predictable. And 157 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: so you had to have people around him who were 158 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: willing to, you know, go against the party and facilitate 159 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: a democratic process. And we could put the next element 160 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: up on the screen from Politico because even though Pluff 161 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: was apparently forced to delete his Twitter account for you know, 162 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: barely barely criticizing Joe Biden, he finds behind the scenes, 163 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: this is kind of this is the conversation that is 164 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: playing out in democratic elite circle. So this is Politico. 165 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: They got this guy, Jim Manly, a top aid to 166 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, to go on the record. 167 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: He said he shouldn't have run. This is no time 168 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: to full punches or be concerned about anyone's feelings. He 169 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: had staff have done an enormous amount of damage. 170 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 4: To this country. 171 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: And you know, they had a bunch of other quotes, 172 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: most of them anonymous from other party officials, consults, et cetera, 173 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: who were saying very similar things. Because you know, it's 174 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: very obvious at this point, but yeah, it's easy to 175 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: it's easy in retrospect for them to point fingers, but 176 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: these are some of the very same people who were 177 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: in a position to know the level of his decline. 178 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: And instead of you know, enabling a democratic process by 179 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: which democratic base could choose who they wanted to be 180 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: their standard bearer this time around, instead they circled the 181 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: wagons and you know, there you go, here, here we are. 182 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 4: And there's no guarantees. 183 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: That another nominee with more time could have succeeded, But 184 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: they wouldn't have been in a much much better position 185 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: if they had gone. 186 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 4: In that direction. 187 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, And just with all of this, it's just 188 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: so transparent. Their attempts to rewrite history are going to be, 189 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 2: you know, legend for when Biden events should fs off 190 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: to Delaware and to the beach, he'll ride his memoirs 191 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: and they'll be just as ridiculous and hagiographic as as 192 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: Barack Obamas were. But the attempts, I think, and I 193 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 2: also wonder whether there may be too much blood on 194 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: everybody's hands, because it's not just Biden, it's a lot 195 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: of people in Congress. So maybe they'll just memory all 196 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 2: of the entire thing. 197 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, it was a crazy thing. Donald Trump. 198 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: We got to move on. 199 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: You know, that's one of the favorite pastimes of theirs 200 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: is we have to move on. 201 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 4: But remember how mean they were to Dean Phillips. 202 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah, I actually I know, I. 203 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 4: Guy, allow him an apology. 204 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: You don't kind of stand by this at the time 205 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 2: when Biden dropped out, I was like, you know, Dane, 206 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: he's kind of like Obama, like, because people remember don't 207 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: really remember. A lot of the key Obama lore is 208 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: that Obama when he was a nobody, literally nobody even. 209 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 3: Gave a shit what he had to say. 210 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: I think he was a state senator and there was 211 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: one guy with a freaking video camera. So thankfully for Obama, 212 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: Obama gave a speech against the Iraq war and that 213 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: was massively influential for all of the young people who 214 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: caucused for him in Iowa and for a lot of 215 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: the early online energy around his campaign. 216 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 3: And so Dean, I mean, we have to give the 217 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: man credit. 218 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: Like he was the first of all of them, the 219 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: sitting like actually a sitting member of Congress who bet 220 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: the farm. And he's like, Biden's too old. We got 221 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: to move on, and he tried so to be honest, 222 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 2: I think Dean like he's got a case, uh for 223 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 2: I was right and all of you were wrong. And 224 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: like I said too, the Democratic mind, the elite mind 225 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: in particular, like the voters, the base, the MSMEC. The 226 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: one credit you do have to give him is they 227 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: do want to win. They love they hate losing. What 228 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: they actually care about is winning. And so if we 229 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 2: correctly can diagnosis as a major Biden problem, I. 230 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 3: Think Dean has a very very bright futurehead of him. 231 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: I do, well, see, I don't know, Yeah, I don't know, 232 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: because there's there's also short memories, you know, the Democratic coalition, 233 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: and lots of contenders for the you know, the happiest 234 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: people right now in Washington are obviously the Republicans, and 235 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: then the list of twenty twenty eight would be true contenders, 236 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: you know, but not any of the women, because Democrats 237 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: are never going to nominate a woman. 238 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 4: So sorry, Gretchen. 239 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: Widmore, Sorry he should have taken your shot this time, 240 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: they say, wretch. 241 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, honestly though, should. 242 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 4: Have taken your shot. There's lessons in Gavin Newsom should 243 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 4: have taken your shot. 244 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: There are lessons in this world for politicians. Timidity never 245 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 2: gets rewarded. Chris Christie absolutely could have been president in 246 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: twenty twelve. I have no question in my mind. I 247 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: think he could have won and could have beat Barack Obama. 248 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: He decided to stay in. He's like, oh trying. Twenty sixteen, 249 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,239 Speaker 2: Bridgegate happens and gets as blown out by Donald Trump. 250 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 3: Now humiliated and now shot. 251 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: See miss Gretchen Whitner, you had a chance. If she 252 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: was like Joe Biden or Kamala I'll see you at 253 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: the convention. I think she would have won. I really 254 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: do not the presidency per se. Maybe she would have lost. 255 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 5: I don't know. 256 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 2: I can't say any of that, you know, after the results, 257 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 2: but they would have had a shot. And for Gretchen, 258 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: like your time, it will never come again. 259 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: You're done. 260 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: You know this whole TikTok female thing, like good luck, 261 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: because the retcon on this is we need the bros 262 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: back and a white dude is the light. 263 00:11:58,720 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. 264 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: I think your call is care the first female president 265 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: will be a Republican, like a conservative. 266 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 267 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 3: I put my money on somebody like Stara Sanders somebody 268 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: like that. 269 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 4: But could be. 270 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I just I do think like the problem 271 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: for democratic women is that you have to overcome this 272 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: stuff like oh they're weak, they're not strong enough, blah 273 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: blah blah, they're too liberal. You know, that's like the image, 274 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: and so yeah, I think it's it will be easier 275 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: for a Republican woman ultimately to get elected. But you know, 276 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: like I said, I think even they won't say this publicly, 277 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: they'll say the thing about like, oh, the country's too 278 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: sexist to elect a woman, but privately, the little lesson 279 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: that will be taken is we. 280 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 4: Just can't nominate a woman ever again. 281 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: So any you know, Gretchen Wimer obviously is the biggest 282 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: loser on that front. But I also think I think 283 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom really missed. He was super hot right now. 284 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: And you know, the fact that he's from California is 285 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: going to be a problem for him. The fact he's 286 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: not gonna be in office anymore is going to be 287 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: a problem for him. Like I think he missed his 288 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: shot as well. So there's but we'll see, We'll see 289 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: how it all pans out and what the shape of 290 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: the world is by then, because as if there's one thing. 291 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 4: We've learned learned, many things can change. 292 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, let's go ahead and get to David 293 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: Serota from Lever News to get his reaction to Bernie 294 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: Sanders a letter in his assessment of what went wrong 295 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: for Democrats this week. Lucky to be joined this morning 296 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: by the always insightful David sa of Lever News. Great 297 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 1: to see my friends. 298 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 5: Good to see you man, Good to see you too. 299 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 4: So in your view, what the hell happened this week? 300 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I mean, first of all, the Democrats 301 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 6: got destroyed. I mean, let's just put that on the table. 302 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 6: They got destroyed. It really wasn't close. I think that. Look, 303 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 6: I think they had a lot of structural challenges beyond 304 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 6: just Joe Biden not running in the switch of the 305 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 6: candidate late. I think the inflation situation redounded to the 306 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 6: incumbent party. I mean, those are all those were all 307 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 6: baked in obstacles in this election. But I think the 308 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 6: party clearly didn't take those obstacles nearly as seriously as 309 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 6: they could have. And when you look at the class 310 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 6: realignment in the election, I think what you see is 311 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 6: the Democrats are perceived as an elite culturally and economically 312 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 6: elite party that is completely out of touch with where 313 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 6: the country is and what the country wants, and I 314 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 6: think that that was shown by the results. And when 315 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 6: you have a party that doesn't seem to be speaking 316 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 6: to the material, day to day interests of the country 317 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 6: and is instead it's economic message is basically like everything 318 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 6: is okay, or everything is look at what we've already done, 319 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 6: and not sort of channeling the grievance, the legitimate grievance 320 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 6: of people in a dystopian economy, then that's what's going 321 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 6: to happen. Now. I just want to add one thing 322 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 6: when I say a dystopian economy, Look, I want to 323 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 6: be clear that the macroeconomic numbers are decent, and they 324 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 6: could be a lot worse. The day to day lived 325 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 6: reality under the macro economic numbers that I think is 326 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 6: what we see in the discontent, whether it's inflation, whether 327 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 6: it's healthcare, whether it's housing, the essentially the ability to 328 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 6: afford necessities. And it's not like the Republicans are speaking 329 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 6: so clearly to those problems either. But you can say 330 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 6: this about the Republicans. They are naming villains, they are 331 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 6: naming enemies, they are naming they are diagnosing the problem. 332 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 5: Maybe they're diagnosis isn't exactly right. 333 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 6: The Democrats basically aren't really doing that as a party. 334 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 6: And I'll just add one last thing about that. The 335 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 6: thing that people liked about Bernie Sanders rallies was always 336 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 6: funny when people at well, why do people like Bernie 337 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 6: Sanders rallies in twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, My take on 338 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 6: that was always that they like to hear at least 339 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 6: one politician calling out villains, calling out perpetrators, calling out 340 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 6: the specific essentially economic evildoers in the economy. And they 341 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 6: like to just hear that. And that's not something the 342 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 6: Democratic Party does. And that is something that Donald Trump 343 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 6: and the Republicans do. And there are the election results 344 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 6: to show you that that's what the public wants. 345 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: That is interesting. We have a letter from Bernie Sanders. 346 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: I want to get your reaction to. Let's put it 347 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: up there. 348 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: On the screen. 349 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: He says openly, quote, it should come as no great 350 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: surprise that a Democratic Party which is abandoned working class 351 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: people should find that the working class has abandoned them. Well, 352 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: the big money interest and well paid consultants who control 353 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 2: the Democratic Party learn from any real lessons from this 354 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: disastrous campaign. You were a veteran of the Bernie Sanders campaign, David, 355 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: and we've talked a lot about I think over the 356 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 2: years about what went wrong also inside the Sanders campaign 357 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: and really inside of the Sanders movement itself to where 358 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: it stands. But do you see any avenue and acceptance 359 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: of this message amongst the Democratic Party today? 360 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 6: Here's what is at first of all, I think Bernie's 361 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 6: one hundred percent right. I mean, he's not saying anything 362 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 6: he hasn't said before, and he's exactly right, just as 363 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 6: he has been. I think that the problem is, or 364 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 6: the fear is, is that the consultant class of the 365 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 6: Democratic Party, the operative class of the Democratic Party, and 366 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 6: frankly the pundits and the sort of affiliated Democratic media 367 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 6: have an economic and financial incentive not to talk to 368 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 6: the working class in the sense that the political class 369 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 6: of the Democratic Party is tied to the donor class, 370 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 6: to the corporate class. And so what I fear what 371 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 6: Bernie Sanders is saying, which is correct, what I fear 372 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 6: that it will be how it will be interpreted, is 373 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 6: we have to move only culturally right, We have to 374 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 6: go back to Bill Clinton, you know, school uniforms, like 375 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 6: the whole cultural triangulation. While continuing to push neoliberal economics. 376 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 6: I mean that was Bill Clinton's innovation, right, I mean, 377 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 6: and I put that in quotes, but you know, move 378 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 6: culturally to the right while pushing neoliberal economics. And that 379 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 6: defines what so called centrism is instead of what centrism 380 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 6: was under the sort of the New Deal Democratic Party, 381 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 6: which was speak to populist economics and sometimes you'd have 382 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 6: people in different parts of the country elected officials who 383 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 6: were culturally somewhat different from Democrats liberal orthodoxy. 384 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 5: That has completely flipped. 385 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 6: And I think the question is whether the consulting class, 386 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 6: the people who make decisions about what the party's brand is, 387 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 6: whether they're too essentially tied to the corporate class and 388 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 6: the donor class that are at the center of the problem. 389 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 6: I guess I'll put it in more briefly, which is 390 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 6: to say, if you're trying to both speak to working 391 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 6: class voters and a pee and enrich and satisfy the 392 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 6: donor class, you're going to either sound incoherent or you're 393 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 6: only going to talk about a narrow set of issues 394 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 6: that doesn't really tap into the real economic grievances of 395 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 6: the working class because you're too busy trying to appease 396 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 6: the donor class that's creating those economic problems. 397 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: So the pushback that I've gotten within my own household 398 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: to my analysis, which is similar to yours, similar to Bernie's, 399 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: that like y'ell screwed up when you killed the Bernie Sanders, 400 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, evolution in the cradle, Like when you spent 401 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: the last ten years as your primary political focus being 402 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: to crush any semblance of a left populist class first movement, 403 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: Like that's where you're really screwed up. And that's been 404 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: ongoing for years and years now. The pushback I get 405 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: is okay, but look at the Biden administration, like great 406 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: on antitrust, great on labor, Bernie Sanders was influential, ron 407 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: Klain Bernie Sanders, you know, you had the whole bill 408 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: back better effort. They did do some stuff. Kamala ran 409 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: on price gouging. She wasn't the focus of her paid 410 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: media like her earned media campaign, but the paid media 411 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: was overwhelmingly sort of like class woorish and one of 412 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: the things that I've used to Rebut this notion is 413 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: something I've been talking about for a while that you know, 414 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: while the anti trust and the labor stuff is really 415 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: important sort of medium to long term. The real story 416 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: of the Biden administration is the cutting of the social 417 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: safety net that was erected under COVID. 418 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 4: And there was a chart. 419 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: We can put this up on the screen, guys, this 420 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: Biden adman shifted from build back Better to austerity chart 421 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: that shows you know, yeah, in the beginning parts of 422 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: the administration, look at what all the fight was about. 423 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: It was about a lot of the sort of Bernie 424 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: Sanders ish elements of you know, a social safety net 425 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: embodied by build back Better. And then they shifted in 426 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two to just talking about austerity effectively national debt, deficit, 427 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: daily mentions. The other piece, though, I think is really 428 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: critical what you were naming, which is that it's one 429 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: thing to have, as Kamala did, like a list of 430 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: economic policies that are good, that are genuinely good, we're 431 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,239 Speaker 1: genuinely popular, et cetera. It's another thing to have a 432 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: story and a narrative about what has gone wrong in 433 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: the country, who the villains are, who the heroes are, 434 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: how we're going to fix it, et cetera. And to me, 435 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: that's really the core of what they're missing and what 436 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, Bernie Sanders was very authentic and compelling and 437 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: credible in identifying. 438 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 6: Look, the Democratic Party does not like to name the 439 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 6: villains because the Democratic Party is in a lot of 440 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 6: ways and that with the villains, like there's a hesitancy 441 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 6: to specifically name the villains because the villains are in 442 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 6: the house right that they're they're they're afraid of that. 443 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 6: I think your point about what the Biden administration did, 444 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 6: I mean there's there's there's two important points that relate 445 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 6: to that, which is, one, there's a somewhat unique situation 446 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 6: in the sense that Joe Biden's cognitive decline made it 447 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 6: much harder for Joe Biden to sell the policies that 448 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 6: Joe Biden was doing sellable policies about the economy. So 449 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 6: I think, you know, one thing that's important to remember 450 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 6: is that three quarters of the job of being president 451 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 6: is not sitting in the situation room making decisions. It's 452 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 6: actually selling your policies and telling a story about your policies, 453 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 6: and the Democrats the president was simply not able to 454 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 6: do that. So I think it's not a great test 455 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 6: case to say, oh, well, you know, he put forward 456 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 6: all these He did these good things on the CFPB 457 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 6: at the FTC Department of Labor, and the voters sort 458 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 6: of rejected that. No, those policies basically weren't even sold, 459 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 6: They weren't even pitched to the public as part of 460 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 6: a story really of what the White House was doing. 461 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 6: The second point, though, is when the American Rescue Plan passed. 462 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 6: That's when Biden's poll numbers were the highest. When there 463 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 6: was a creation of a real social safety net, a 464 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 6: real investment in the working class, and guess what, Biden 465 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 6: was popular. The problem is is that then it expired 466 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 6: and people got cut off. 467 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 5: And so when people get something. 468 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 6: Realize like life can be a little bit better, that 469 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 6: the government can actually do something, and then they wake 470 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 6: up a year later and it's like, psych, we're just 471 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 6: gonna rip that away. 472 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 5: Guess what. Lots of those people that might have swung 473 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 5: over to you in the election, they're not going to 474 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 5: be happy. 475 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 6: And I think that it's not to say that that's 476 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 6: the reason this election happened, but it is to say, 477 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 6: all of these things kind of pile up. You don't 478 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 6: sell your agenda because of the situation in the White House. 479 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 6: You've torn away benefits that people liked having and realized 480 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 6: they could have, but the government isn't providing that to them. 481 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 6: The parties not naming villains. The other guy is naming 482 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 6: villain and is promising some kind of change. 483 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 5: So guess what here we are? 484 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, David, one thing I wanted to get your take on. 485 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll love this. Can we put the Ezra 486 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: Kline says that Bernie was right. Let's put this up 487 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: there on the screen. There's been a lot of discussion 488 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 2: here about Joe Rogan, by the way, which is very 489 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: annoying because it's not about Rogan the man, obviously, it's 490 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: just about the sphere and like what that represents. He says, 491 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: Rogan with simbolic is something bigger. There is an alienation 492 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 2: that has grown between young men and much of the 493 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 2: Democratic Party for years. There has been no real way 494 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 2: of talking about masculinity in liberal circles that didn't attach 495 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: the word toxic. Before it, there has been a reveling 496 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 2: in growing female strength and a deep critique of male culture. 497 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 2: You can have any view you want on the merits, 498 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 2: but it had its consequences. Whatever you think of Walls, 499 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 2: he's a vice presential pick, and that's not part of 500 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: the ticket that people vote for. 501 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 3: I'm just curious. 502 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 2: You know, you lived through a lot of these fights, 503 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 2: and the Rogan when I remember quite well, because it 504 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: was a big schism. 505 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: I think online. 506 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: I remember AOC coming out and denouncing Rogan after Bernie Sanders' appearance, 507 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: when obviously the whole case for him going on was, Look, 508 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 2: you know, I'm trying to win. I'm trying to reach 509 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: as many people as possible. So what do you make 510 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 2: of this now the retrospective has proven obviously that's correct strategy. 511 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 6: Well, Look, I had hoped after the Bernie Sanders campaign 512 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 6: in twenty twenty, I hope that we were going to win. 513 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 6: We didn't get I had hoped that Bernie Sanders would 514 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 6: play a role and would become a figure analogous to 515 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 6: Barry Goldwater in nineteen sixty four, as Barry Goldwater was 516 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 6: to the Republican Party. 517 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 5: Not to say that Bernie Sanders is Berry Goldwater like on. 518 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 6: Policy, but the story of the Republican Party is essentially 519 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 6: Barry Goldwater was the intellectual anchor, the ideological anchor of 520 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 6: the Republican Party, a sort of guiding light and from 521 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 6: there came acolytes who later were able to win office, 522 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 6: Ronald Reagan as an example. I had hoped that that's 523 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 6: what would happen after twenty twenty, and it really didn't 524 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 6: happen because the dynamics of the inside the Democratic Party 525 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 6: are fundamentally different than the Republican Party. The Republican Party 526 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 6: has become more of a revolutionary party in the sense 527 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 6: of there's turnover, there's an internal battle. The Democratic Party 528 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 6: really has become much more top down, really much more 529 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 6: in some ways, it's not exactly a cult, but sort 530 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 6: of a machine that isn't really a forum for that 531 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 6: discontent to birth something new. And so what happened is 532 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 6: that Bernie Sanders was essentially laughed at, scoffed at, mocked 533 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 6: by the media elites that are aligned with the Democratic 534 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 6: Party by sort of the Democratic noise machine. 535 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 5: He was brushed to the side. 536 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 6: Maybe he's kind of a you know, pat him on 537 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 6: the head, Nice run, Bernie, but not necessarily the ideological 538 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 6: figure to inspire acolytes in the future. 539 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 5: Maybe that's changing now. 540 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 6: Maybe maybe this this realization that hey, Bernie, Bernie's theory 541 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 6: of politics was right, Maybe that can bring about something 542 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 6: new now. But I've been We've seen this before. It 543 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 6: didn't happen after twenty sixteen. I'm not sure it's going 544 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 6: to happen now. I'm not sure this party can reform itself. 545 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 6: I don't know what it will do. Like, if it 546 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 6: didn't happen before, why is it going to happen now? 547 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 4: Yeah? 548 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 6: But maybe look, maybe getting your ass kicked so badly 549 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 6: like they did this week, maybe that will shake something, 550 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 6: shake out something. 551 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 5: I don't know, Osbal. 552 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: I think it's worth interrogating, though, why the Republican Party 553 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: was able to be overthrown by the trumpst movement and 554 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: why the Democratic Party was totally unwilling and moved having 555 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: in earth and used tactics both legitimate and illegitimate to 556 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: make sure that they stamped down the Bernie Sanders movement. 557 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: And it's because fundamentally, you know, the Trump movement is 558 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: friendly to capital, you know, at least any sort of 559 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: like CEO who's willing to be loyal and friendly and 560 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: not speak ill of him, like he gave them a 561 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: giant tax cut. They you know, they were happy with 562 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: the stock market performance. They're happy to go back to that. 563 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: They hate the Biden administration and their attack on you know, 564 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: their move towards trust busting and embrace of labor, et cetera. 565 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: You know, Trump, he did all the like union busting 566 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: and tax cut giving and whatever. So when it came 567 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: down to it, even though a lot of Wall Street 568 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: and CEO types like they didn't like this sort of chaos, 569 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: they didn't like his vulgarity, but he didn't really threaten 570 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: their class interests, Whereas on the Democratic Party you have 571 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, similar wealthy the Mark Cubans 572 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party and you know, those sorts of 573 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: people whose class interests were actively threatened by the Bernie 574 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: Sanders movement. And so it created a much more intense 575 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: backlash and ultimately much more effective war on that, you. 576 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 4: Know, on that movement. 577 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: And none of that has changed, Like that landscape is 578 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: still there. It's not gone away. So that's why I'm 579 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not this time around, right. 580 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 6: And the politicians and the political actors inside the Democratic 581 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 6: Party ultimately rely on that donor class for the resources 582 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 6: to buy second beach houses and mansions. 583 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: And I'm not joking sort of, that's really. 584 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, right, Like I mean, and and for super PACs 585 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 6: and for ad spending. Right, So there is a financial 586 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 6: iron triangle there inside the Democratic Party that is structurally 587 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 6: aligned against Bernie Sanders and a class based politics. And 588 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 6: we're going to about to see whether that iron triangle 589 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 6: can withstand even a shellacking like that happened, an electoral 590 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 6: shellacking that so obviously proves the Democrats have a massive 591 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 6: political problem. 592 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: So the last thing I just had to get to 593 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: your quicker reaction to is David Brooks is even now like, huh, 594 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: maybe that Bernie Sanders was Honestly, can we put this 595 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: element up on the screen, because this is just incredibly 596 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 1: we wrote this and the pages of the New York Times. 597 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: Maybe the Democrats have to embrace a Bernie Sanders style disruption, 598 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: something that will make people like me feel uncomfortable. And 599 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: it's like, I'll just let you react to it, because 600 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: I know when I first shared this with you were 601 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: you had to go and look it up to make 602 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: sure that this is actually real, because it's so it's 603 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: so unbelievable. 604 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 6: From this particular I toggle when I see stuff like this, 605 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 6: I toggle between I'm so glad this is such a 606 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 6: wonderful realization for you. 607 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 5: You're such a genius. 608 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 6: How did you arrive at this brilliant revelation that all 609 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 6: of us, for the last thirty years have been saying. Right, 610 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 6: I mean, I have gray hair on my head and 611 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 6: I look ten years older than I am, because I've 612 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 6: been saying this kind of thing for thirty years, only 613 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 6: to be laughed at and scoffed at and vilified and 614 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 6: ostracized by the same kind of people as David Brooks. Essentially, right, 615 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 6: So I toggle between, you know, sort of eye rolling. 616 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 6: So also listen, better late than never? Right, Like, hey, 617 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 6: you're late to the game. You're thirty years late. It's fine. 618 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 6: That's what The New York Times does. They show up 619 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 6: to a story thirty years late and pretend it's a 620 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 6: great revelation. Okay, that's their business model. But like, hey, welcome, right, 621 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 6: Like if everyone's realizing this now, you know there's still 622 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 6: a future here that we have to fight for. 623 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 5: So better late than never. 624 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, you know, if there were, on the 625 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: off chance, yes, yeah, that there was a Sanders esque 626 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: movement that arose from the Ashes, David Brooks would be 627 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: first in line to crush it and stamp it. 628 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 4: Out once again. 629 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 3: Under percent David. 630 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: Always great to see you, Always love your insights. 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It's truly essential listening 645 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: to understand how we got to this particular political moment. 646 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: So once again, great to see you. 647 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 5: David, Good to see you man, Thanks to both of you. 648 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 3: Appreciate your pleasure. 649 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much for watching. It's been a 650 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 2: really fun week to cover and experience this. 651 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 3: With all of you. I know, for you. 652 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 2: It's even when you lose, you know, come on, you 653 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 2: gotta be you hear a good support. 654 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 3: It's all right. 655 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 4: Yeah's not gonna lie about my emotional stagment. 656 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 3: The best is yet to come, Crystal. That's what Kamberly 657 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 3: Gilfoyle told us, and she was right. 658 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 2: The best is yet to come for breaking points at least. 659 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: So thank you guys. We love you and if anything 660 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 2: breaks over the weekend, we'll see you. 661 00:32:53,040 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 3: Otherwise, we'll see you on Monday.