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Speaker 1: my friend, and I guess what tomorrow is? Uh, your birthday?

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Speaker 1: That's right. I want to know how tragic was that

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Speaker 1: our role to work in contributing to the world and

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Speaker 1: making it in a better place. And so regardless of

428
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Speaker 1: what it is that you do, your work is important,

429
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Speaker 1: Like there's value there. And by creating and by contributing

430
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Speaker 1: and by whatever it is that you do, you know,

431
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Speaker 1: we bring order out of chaos. I think that's a

432
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Speaker 1: really important point. To make matter, because I think there

433
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Speaker 1: are people maybe working at a job that they feel

434
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Speaker 1: is is not important and or they feel like that

435
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Speaker 1: that what they're doing every day isn't making a difference.

436
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Speaker 1: But I think if we realize that work in and

437
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Speaker 1: of itself is a way of contributing to the world,

438
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 1: making it a better place. If we have that sort

439
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 1: of mentality going to work, it doesn't matter whether you

440
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Speaker 1: are scrubbing toilets or whether you're putting out a subpar podcast.

441
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 1: Like either either way, your work is meaningful. Because work

442
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Speaker 1: in and of itself is meaningful. It is like it

443
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Speaker 1: is good for us. It is not a necessary evil,

444
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 1: is a necessary fundamental element of life for us as humans. Yeah,

445
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Speaker 1: there's something that's really hard to quantify doing a job

446
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 1: well done right when you know that there's something that

447
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 1: you've worked hard at and that you've done well well

448
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Speaker 1: as you can at least, and and that there's value

449
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Speaker 1: that people are are gleaning from that. Again, it's it's

450
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Speaker 1: hard to quantify, aside from the money, which you can

451
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Speaker 1: obviously quantify, but there's something us aid from that that

452
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Speaker 1: when you know that you're helping the people around you

453
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Speaker 1: and providing a service or value or a product something

454
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Speaker 1: that's a good thing. Yeah, And I think to the paycheck, right,

455
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 1: that's a wonderful thing as well, that paycheck, that provision

456
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Speaker 1: that you're able to bring in for your family, for

457
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Speaker 1: your loved ones. That's a necessary and important part of work. Right.

458
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Speaker 1: You are working in order to not only provide a

459
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Speaker 1: service and use your talents, but you're also working in

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Speaker 1: order to provide for the people close to you. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's a meaningful element of work that people

462
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Speaker 1: in their desire to be completely fulfilled by what they do.

463
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Speaker 1: Just know that you know, a paycheck, that the number

464
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Speaker 1: that you get every two weeks in your direct deposit.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't define you. That is not what defines work

466
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Speaker 1: is good or bad. But that basic element of provision

467
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Speaker 1: that is attached to work is a really important one

468
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Speaker 1: and worthy of mentioned. Yeah. And so the characteristic that

469
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Speaker 1: we're portraying right of work is that it's noble, that

470
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Speaker 1: is something that is good, and that it's not something

471
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Speaker 1: that we're trying to escape from. And so going back

472
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Speaker 1: to the financial independence example, a lot of times work,

473
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Speaker 1: especially at early years in life that are high paying

474
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Speaker 1: jobs especially, can be viewed as a sort of necessary

475
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Speaker 1: evil and that it's something that you're trying to escape.

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Speaker 1: And so basically you're just trying to work as hard

477
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Speaker 1: as you can for as little period as possible while

478
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Speaker 1: you're making as much money as possible to eventually escape

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Speaker 1: from work so that it's something that you can leave behind.

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Speaker 1: And what we're saying though, is that work isn't something

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Speaker 1: you're gonna leave behind, or maybe you should consider not

482
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Speaker 1: leaving it behind. Maybe that's not a great aspiration. Yeah, exactly,

483
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Speaker 1: work in and of itself is something that is good,

484
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Speaker 1: and maybe that would necessitate a career change or a

485
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Speaker 1: job change to something that you find slightly more fulfilling.

486
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Speaker 1: And we'll get to the more of that later. But yeah,

487
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Speaker 1: work is a wonderful thing and it is not something

488
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Speaker 1: that you should try to be escaping. Yeah, it shouldn't

489
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Speaker 1: be detigrated. But also work isn't everything. And that's another

490
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Speaker 1: huge point. And I think, Matt, I don't know about you,

491
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Speaker 1: but it sure seems like the last generation fell under

492
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Speaker 1: you know, these lines that work seem to be a

493
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Speaker 1: little more all encompassing. You almost dedicated your life to

494
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Speaker 1: a company, and that, in retrospect seems unhealthy. But while

495
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Speaker 1: work is wonderful. Like we just mentioned, work isn't everything,

496
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Speaker 1: So yeah, let's flesh that out. Yeah, so doing something

497
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Speaker 1: you know you enjoy or feel passionate about is not

498
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Speaker 1: as a necessity. There are plenty of people out there

499
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Speaker 1: in the world doing jobs just because of their skill

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Speaker 1: or their work history, something that they've done for a

501
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Speaker 1: while and so they're pretty good at it and they're

502
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Speaker 1: just they're used to it or for whatever reason, right,

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Speaker 1: But they may not necessarily love that job to their core.

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Speaker 1: And there are a lot of ways to find value

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Speaker 1: because of your skill or your work history, or just

506
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Speaker 1: developing a competency in getting better at it. That is,

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Speaker 1: I think a core essential value of work is getting

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Speaker 1: better day by day and you find joy in kind

509
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Speaker 1: of the mastery that you're able to achieve why you're working. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so a work life balance is increasingly important us

511
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Speaker 1: in our generation. The different papers out there love to

512
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Speaker 1: talk about how millennials love that work life balance balance

513
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Speaker 1: between finding fulfillment though in your work but also knowing

514
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Speaker 1: that you have to have a life at the same time.

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Speaker 1: That's the balance that you want to strike. And we're

516
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Speaker 1: not saying that that's easy, but that's the balance that

517
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Speaker 1: that we're trying to strike. We're striving to to find

518
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Speaker 1: our identity not only in our work. Certainly what you

519
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: do has an impact on you and how you view

520
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: the world, but that cannot be the sole source of

521
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Speaker 1: your identity and your fulfillment. And the truth is recognizing

522
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Speaker 1: that work isn't everything means that your happiness level actually

523
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Speaker 1: has less to do with the actual work itself than

524
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Speaker 1: you think it does. You can find ways to love

525
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Speaker 1: what you do, even and if it isn't a passion job, right,

526
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Speaker 1: even if even if it's not the greatest job that

527
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Speaker 1: you can ever imagine, you can find ways to get

528
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Speaker 1: better at and enjoy the work that you're currently doing,

529
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Speaker 1: even if you're attempting to transition at some point to

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Speaker 1: do something that you love more. Yeah, Joel, And that

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Speaker 1: specifically makes me think of a recent episode we did

532
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Speaker 1: on All Week called it Buying Happiness Like Your Brain

533
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: and Money, But that entire episode was all about hedonic adaptation.

534
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: Fancy scientific term hedonic adaptation if you haven't listened that one,

535
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: by the way, Honestly, I think that's one of our

536
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Speaker 1: most important episodes like in the past six months. Yeah,

537
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Speaker 1: I think unless you understand the way that your brain

538
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: works in that, unless you understand your bent as a human,

539
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really hard to kind of counteract those

540
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Speaker 1: natural instincts. And so, yeah, I think it's a really

541
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: important concept to understand because it is the way humans

542
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: act when they're thinking about money, the future, their own happiness.

543
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Speaker 1: And we have to we have to understand that that's

544
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Speaker 1: true about ourselves in order to make changes they will

545
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 1: be able to benefit us positively. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

546
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: And so so back to like work right in a

547
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Speaker 1: job that may not be, at least on paper, the

548
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Speaker 1: most of a filling job. So we talked about buying

549
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Speaker 1: that happiness and the hedonic adaptation, and we cited a study,

550
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Speaker 1: uh in that episode where it was talking about how

551
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 1: that we have control over about our own happiness and

552
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: only about ten percent is affected by actual circumstances. And

553
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: so in this case, I think our jobs, you know,

554
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Speaker 1: whatever perfect or not perfect job that you might have,

555
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: that's only ten and then another set by the craft

556
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: beer that you're drinking right now. But what we're saying though,

557
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: is that you basically have control over of your own

558
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: happiness and that in reality, your job or your circumstances

559
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: as a very small impact on your happiness, in fact,

560
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: about ten percent, And so just keep that in mind

561
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: when it comes to the mindset of, oh, I've got

562
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Speaker 1: to find the perfect job, or I've got to find

563
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: the calling or where I feel the most fulfilled. That

564
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: is not necessarily true. Like Joel said a second ago,

565
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Speaker 1: it has way less to do with the work, the

566
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Speaker 1: actual work itself, and it has way more to do

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Speaker 1: with your mindset and just how you approach it. Yeah,

568
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: so if you feel like you're in the position of

569
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Speaker 1: feeling you need to run away from work, that your

570
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Speaker 1: job is killing you, that your life would be so

571
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Speaker 1: much better, right if you didn't have to go to

572
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: work every day, I feel like thinking about work in

573
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: these terms and seeing how you can approach your job,

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00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: thinking of it as a wonderful thing that brings provision

575
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: to your yourself and your family and gives you that

576
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: ability to contribute to society and make the world a

577
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: better place, but also realizing that work isn't everything. If

578
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: you can kind of hold those things simultaneously together in

579
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: your life, it can help you reframe the job that

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00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: you're currently at and also help you set goals to

581
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: think about what sort of work you ultimately want to

582
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: do and that you feel like you'd be better at

583
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: and potentially provide more value to to the place where

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Speaker 1: you currently work. Dude, this makes me think of micro.

585
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: Everyone knows Micro if you don't though. Dirty Jobs was

586
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: his television show, and essentially he rides along with somebody

587
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: that has typically a really dirty or gross job. They're

588
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: like cleaning septic tanks or like trudging through sewer systems,

589
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. Yeah, like things that you would

590
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: typically say are disgusting and terrible. But this Ted talk

591
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's beautiful and it's just really inspiring.

592
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: But he talks about how these folks, these employees, these

593
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: workers that are doing these jobs, have found value in

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Speaker 1: what they do. And to the eyes of society in

595
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: the world who sort of puts down work, especially hard work,

596
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: hard dirty labor, he raises it and he elevates it

597
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: and says, look, this is something that these people have

598
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: figured out that a they can do well and for

599
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: whatever reasons, they they found value in that and they

600
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: and they prize that and they and they're proud of

601
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 1: what they do. But I would encourage anyone Who's I mean,

602
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: heard of micro or even not, but be sure to

603
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: check out that link. It's it's a Ted We'll put

604
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: it up on our in our show notes on the website,

605
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: but it's a Ted talk and it's it's kind of old.

606
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: I think it's ten years old or something like that,

607
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: but it's just fantastic. And if you're in a position

608
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: where you feel like your job isn't fulfilling, or you know,

609
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: you feel that whatever it is that you do is

610
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Speaker 1: kind of being put down by society and just the

611
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: sort of general attitude of our culture. I feel like

612
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Speaker 1: Mike is one of the best speakers on work today.

613
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: He just thinks about it, conceptualizes it well. And for me,

614
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: I love what I do. I love my day job,

615
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: but even I get bummed sometimes and it doesn't feel

616
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: like I wanted to feel, or that day just didn't

617
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: go very well. And it always helps for me to

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00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: kind of come back to this framework, like, Okay, what's

619
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: important about what I do? How am I growing? How

620
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: am I serving and helping? And you know what, it

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Speaker 1: reframes a bad day or a bad week, or a

622
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: crummy situation or a task that I don't really want

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00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: to perform and it kind of helps me look at

624
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: the overall ways that I'm able to serve others in

625
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: my job and even just honestly serve my family through

626
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: the provision that the job brings. It's such a good

627
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: and powerful way to think about my work because it's easy,

628
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: even if you like what you do, to get bummed out,

629
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: like maybe on a day by day basis based on

630
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: just the circumstances that are happening, and it just really

631
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: helps to have this framework to hold your job up

632
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 1: against to to see all the benefits that it is

633
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: bringing into your life. We're gonna talk about ways that

634
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: you can move towards it's a healthier view of work.

635
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that right after this short break. Okay,

636
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: So when it comes to creating your own philosophy towards work,

637
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to cultivating right your own healthy view

638
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: of work, what you need to keep in mind is

639
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: that it's a balance. Again. Work isn't this terrible thing

640
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: that we're trying to escape from, but it's also not everything.

641
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be the only thing that defines you. So

642
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: here is what you need to remember, Joel kick it off, Yeah, man,

643
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: it's important to find fulfillment in your work, in your

644
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: daily job by taking stock of what you actually do

645
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: in the value that you do bring to others. So,

646
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: like I was talking about that, that helps me reframe

647
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: my job all on in the days that I don't

648
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: feel like. Your feelings don't always align with what's true, right,

649
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: So some days I just feel like I didn't do

650
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 1: a good job, Like what I did didn't matter. It

651
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: wasn't a fun day, right, Maybe I didn't have a

652
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: great interaction with a coworker, or the day just fell flat, right,

653
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: it just didn't It didn't go the way I wanted

654
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: it to. And I'm just down about my job in general.

655
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: And I don't have many of those days, but I

656
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: do have those days. And so by doing this, by

657
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: kind of taking stock and writing those things down, what

658
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: what do I actually do that matters? And what value

659
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: am I bringing to others in my job? That can

660
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: kind of help make a potentially mundane job truly rewarding

661
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: and satisfying in a way that you wouldn't have seen before.

662
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: If you don't kind of think about it in those terms,

663
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: think about your job only as a checklist of tasks

664
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: that you are able to check off. I mean, that's

665
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: that's not helpful. Work is so much more meaningful than

666
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: than just a checklist. And something else to keep in

667
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: mind too, is that it's just amazing, right that we

668
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: have a flexibility to choose a work, that we have options,

669
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: and so we need to appreciate that. And most of

670
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: human history didn't have the option to choose work that

671
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: they want to do, and work that they didn't want

672
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: to do, like they were just concerned with surviving, right,

673
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: Like they just didn't want to die of like dysentery,

674
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: like an Oregon trail. Uh yeah, or familial expectations were higher,

675
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: and oh yeah, and you worked in the same work

676
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: that your father did. And and oftentimes many women weren't

677
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: allowed to work or weren't allowed to work in in

678
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: certain occupations and so that that sucks. And so it's

679
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: just amazing. Let's take a little bit of time to

680
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: think about the fact that, whether you're college educated or not,

681
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: doors are open in today's society that wouldn't have been

682
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: open to so many of us a hundred, two hundred,

683
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: three hundred years ago. And it's just kind of amazing

684
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: that that we have that ability, this this culture and

685
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: this free market system that we're able to start our

686
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: own business, create our own thing and put it out

687
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: there in the world and kind of see what happens.

688
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: And man, I just think it's so cool and worth

689
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: kind of reveling in that reality. And so something else

690
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: to consider when you're creating a healthier view towards work

691
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: is ask yourself the question, do I have a life

692
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: outside of work? Considering that we spen so much time

693
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: on the clock working, it's not a surprise that we'd

694
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: be tempted into putting too much of our self worth

695
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: into our work. You know, we spend half of our

696
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: waking hours doing a task whatever it is that your

697
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: job is right and man. For me personally, uh, finding

698
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: too much of my self worth and my identity in

699
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: my work was largely related to my age, like a

700
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: life stage sort of thing. And so I know for

701
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: me early on, right, if I didn't, I didn't have

702
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: as much going on. And so for me, being a

703
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: creative sort of photographer, that was a huge hat that

704
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: I wore because I didn't have that many other hats.

705
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: I didn't have that many responsibilities, and because I didn't

706
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: have that many responsibilities, the few responsibilities that I did

707
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: have were a big deal to me, and unfortunately, I

708
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: think they became overly important. And I think that that's

709
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: just something you gain with time and just getting a

710
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: little bit older, right like, now I've got married, I've

711
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: got kids, I'm a neighbor, i'm a board member, I'm

712
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: a best friend. Right, that's you. But there's just there's

713
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: other polls on my life. And because of that, it's

714
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: not that I don't work as hard as I used

715
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: to in my job. I still work crazy hard in

716
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: doing what I do. However, I don't find my identity

717
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: tied up into that, and I'm able to do really

718
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: good work and work just as hard, but just with

719
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: a proper and more healthy perspective. I have a better

720
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: advantage now than I did I guess more at the

721
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: beginning of my career. And it's just kind of amazing

722
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: to see how just the progression of time, right Like,

723
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: there's wisdom in years, and I just hope that I

724
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: realized that even now still that there's still so much

725
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: more to learn as I continue to age. But yeah,

726
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: it's it's it's crazy just how our views of work

727
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: and jobs change over time. And hopefully you know they

728
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: change for the better. Yeah, I'm not sure if this

729
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: is the right way to put it or not, but

730
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: I think it's important to take pride in your work,

731
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: but not to be prideful about your work, right right.

732
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: I think it oftentimes it can be the other way around,

733
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: And I found that to be true, especially in my

734
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: younger self, that it was easy to be kind of

735
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: prideful about what I did and take less pride in

736
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: the actual doing and creating and work itself. So I

737
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: think ways to kind of avoid that trap are to

738
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: look outside of your job and look for the things

739
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: that do bring you joy and add value to your life.

740
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: That's stuff like relationships, important activities that you can be

741
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: involved in, causes that you can participate in that bring

742
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: joy to others, not just to yourself. It's easy to

743
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: look to a job for that sense of fulfillment. You

744
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: might be able to get that temporarily, but ultimately it

745
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: doesn't provide it over the long haul, and you're gonna

746
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: have those bad days. Like I said, even in a

747
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: job that you love or you feel called to or

748
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: something like that, or you feel deeply passionate about. Even

749
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: if you're one of the fortunate people to get to

750
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: work at a job where you feel like that's the case,

751
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna have those down times, and if you don't

752
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: have a framework, and if you don't have those other

753
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: things in your life that matter on top of it,

754
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really hard to to get through those

755
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: tough times. And all that to say too that it's

756
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: okay to love your work. It's love your job, especially

757
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: early on when you're starting something new like a new position,

758
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: or even harder to not be excited about is when

759
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: you're starting a new business, like something that you are

760
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: pouring yourself into. It is okay and expected that you

761
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: would be crazy excited about that, and that you're going

762
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: to be pouring a disproportionate amount of yourself into that

763
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: and finding you know, a large amount of your identity

764
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: in that as well. But just keep that in mind

765
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 1: and know that hopefully that's maybe for a shorter period

766
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: of time that you can hopefully get to a more

767
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: healthy and balanced point. And also to a sort of

768
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: similar to that, I think it's okay for folks who

769
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: are really into their work for their work and for

770
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: their job to kind of be the initial structure of

771
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: those additional things like relationships, activities, and causes. Let that

772
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, Joel, but just know that those things

773
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: should be outside of your actual work. You might consider

774
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: them your work friends, but hopefully they're not just your

775
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: work friends. They're your friend friends come into real friends, exactly.

776
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: And so it's okay for that structure and for to

777
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: find fulfillment and for you to find ways to get

778
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: involved with your community, all these things through the organization

779
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: of your work, but that hopefully that that expands beyond

780
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: the walls of the office. And I think it's important

781
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: too that you said it is an ebb and flow,

782
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: because I think there are times they're gonna be seasons

783
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: where months or years where work seems to take like

784
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: an elevated place in your life, and then there they're

785
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: gonna be other seasons where work is demoded because of

786
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: other things happening that take take on more importance. Maybe

787
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: it's to spend more time with your young children. Maybe

788
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: it's a health struggle of a family member and you

789
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: just have to be there more for that. Or maybe

790
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: it's just a shift in priorities in general. You know,

791
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: whatever it is, but you have to be willing to

792
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: let it ebb and flow in that way, and I

793
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: feel like cultivating a healthy view of work will allow

794
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: for you to have that change over time, that ebb

795
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: and flow, And if you don't, it's gonna be hard.

796
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: If it's really rigid philosophy of work that doesn't allow

797
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: for any deviation over time and for different seasons, it's

798
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: gonna be a heck of a lot harder. So cultivating

799
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: a healthy view of work also realizes that that ebb

800
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: and flow is something that's going to happen. And speaking

801
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: of ebbing and flowing, I think it's really important for

802
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: people to consider ways to cut out unnecessary work that

803
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: they have in their lives. We all remember going to

804
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: school and our teachers giving us busy work. It was

805
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: literally something just to keep us busy so we didn't

806
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: destroy the classroom while well they were grading papers, right,

807
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: and busy work is something that we find ourselves getting

808
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: into even in professional work in the workforce, whether it's

809
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: our own business or whether we're working for somebody else,

810
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: it's really easy to find things that occupy our time

811
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: but aren't necessarily moving the needle or changing the bottom line.

812
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: There are rote habits that we get into. They are

813
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: ways that we work inefficiently and many of those tasks

814
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: or the things that we're doing are just things that

815
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: we should cut out all together. And Matt, we had

816
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: a recent hangout a podcast meet up here in Atlanta

817
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: at a local brewery, and there's this awesome dude, Bradley. Yeah,

818
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: listener to the show, and we were talking about kind

819
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: of how he structures his work, and I loved his story. Man.

820
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: He was saying that he used to work eight hours

821
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: for this one company, and then he was able to

822
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: get it to where he could work from home, and

823
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: he realized that he could get all of the things

824
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: he needed to get done in essentially like four hours,

825
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: and so he, yeah, he was able to work half

826
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: days whereas he going to the office he had to

827
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: like look busy, but to his boss is working from home,

828
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: they were still getting the same amount of productivity out

829
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: of it, right, And then so he realized, well, all right,

830
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask this job if I can go part time.

831
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: And he took on two more jobs with different companies

832
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: that he could employ that same skill set, and he

833
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: was able to massively improve what he earned and massively

834
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: decrease the amount of time that he had to work.

835
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: It was just kind of inspiring to see, Okay, yeah,

836
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: you're right, there's a lot of wasted time and effort

837
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: when it comes to work, and if you can figure

838
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: out a creative way to minimize how much you're working,

839
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: so you're amplifying the things that bring the most value

840
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: to your employer and you're minimizing those things that are

841
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: just time wasters and time sucks and don't do anything.

842
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: It's just interesting to see how Bradley kind of created

843
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: a work environment that was so much better for him

844
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: and still provides a lot of value out there in

845
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: the economy. And and his whole reason for that, Matt

846
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: was was truly because he had a newborn son and

847
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: he wanted to spend more time with his son. And

848
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: he realized not only was he able to cut down

849
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: in his overall work hours. And so now he says

850
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: he wakes up at seven, he does his morning routine,

851
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: he works from eight to noon or eight to one

852
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: at the latest, and then he has the rest of

853
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: the afternoon to hang out with his family. And so

854
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: he's still he's working more jobs that's awesome than he was,

855
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: but he's working fewer hours and he's spending more time

856
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: than he was able to before on that life outside

857
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: of work with his family, and that obviously is like

858
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: a huge benefit to his life. Nice man, I'm jealous

859
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: of that life hack an optimization that he was able

860
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: to do. Uh. Something that you also want to keep

861
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: in mind when you're cultivating that healthy view towards work

862
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: is that to know that it is okay to be

863
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: ambitious and to challenge yourself and so keep your mind

864
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: open and look for the new opportunities as you grow. Obviously,

865
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: this could be inside your current company, like taking a

866
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: managerial role, or you could even be outside doing a

867
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: side hustle, or you know, maybe even starting your own

868
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: legit small business. It's okay to work hard. We're not

869
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: trying to say that, you know, you have to only

870
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: have a life outside of work. Work is important too,

871
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: and that's what's so maybe difficult about this topic is

872
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: that it's a balance. We're saying that find fulfillment in

873
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: your work but also find fulfillment outside of your work.

874
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: Bottom line is tricky, and it's difficult to maintain that balance.

875
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: But it's something that overall, when it comes to your

876
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: view of work that you're striving to maintain and also

877
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: consider moving towards a career or a job that provides

878
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, more day to day fulfillment. If you truly

879
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: feel a lack of enjoyment and can't find much gratitude

880
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: in what you are doing day to day, well, I mean,

881
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: I think there are ways to improve on that right

882
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: now in what you're doing, like we've said, But it's

883
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: also okay to start working towards another career or another

884
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: job where you feel like you can be of more

885
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: service and finding a career that does seem to reflect

886
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: your innate gifts maybe a little bit better. But just

887
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: realized too that the grass isn't always greener and that

888
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: shifting careers might not bring you the happiness that you

889
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: think it's going to because a job, although a wonderful thing,

890
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: like we said, it's not everything. And that new job,

891
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: you know, a likelihood, isn't going to change your whole

892
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: life in the ways that you might think it does

893
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: from the outside looking in. So I want to mention

894
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: that when I was first starting out, I wanted to

895
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: work in radio. That was truly something I felt kind

896
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: of called to do, that was truly a career that

897
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: resonated with me deeply and I loved the medium. I

898
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: loved the impact that you could have through like long

899
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: form audio content. I just thought it was so cool.

900
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: But for a long time I had to work two jobs.

901
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: I was part time making very little money, and I

902
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: was pressure washing houses every morning for or quite a

903
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: while while I was part time in radio. But I

904
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: was making small changes along the way. You know, while

905
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: I was working two jobs, even one job manual labor

906
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: that I didn't enjoy at all, I was able to

907
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: think about that as a stepping stone, realizing that it

908
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: wasn't for forever, and it was just kind of a

909
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: part of me moving and growing and changing and getting

910
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: to where I wanted to be. And so just an

911
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: encouragement to you folks out there who are maybe working

912
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: two jobs, or currently in a job that isn't super fulfilling,

913
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: or actually you don't like it at all, keep working

914
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: towards that ultimate goal of a career change or moving

915
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: up in your job. Just because we think you can

916
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: find a level of fulfillment in what you're doing right

917
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: now doesn't mean that you shouldn't create goals to move

918
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: yourself forward in a way that is going to be

919
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: better for you and your family, Jill, if you still

920
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: have the same career or the same job that you

921
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: did when you filled out your first W four, what

922
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: would you be doing right now? I'll be running the

923
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: drive through a Chick fil A, buddy, would you really? Yeah?

924
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: Read you talk about chick flav before. I wasn't sure

925
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: if that was your first That was my first legit job.

926
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: I I mowed lawns too, but that was like obviously

927
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: super on the side with twenty dollar cash handouts, paying

928
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: me under the table cash only. I'm a kid, don't

929
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: tell the I r s. But I wasn't foiling tact

930
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: returns on that money. Yeah. If I kept my original job,

931
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: I would be a cartboy at a golf course. Those

932
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: are good first jobs, man, I feel like, yeah, driving

933
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: around the golf cart, spraying them off, getting them clean,

934
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: free riding all over the place like like you just

935
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: do when you're sixteen and nothing else to do. Are

936
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: you able to just do whatever you want and you've

937
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: got wheels? Yeah, Matt, those first jobs were super fun

938
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: and honestly really valuable. I think in in learning a

939
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: little bit about cultivating a healthy view of work, even

940
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: working just in those early years. But luckily we don't

941
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: still have them, although I tell you what, I would

942
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: go back to my job as photo lab technician at

943
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: Eckered Pharmacy and a heartbeat. I've never heard heard you

944
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: talk about that one. That was really fun. Basically I

945
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: got to talk to people about their vacations a lot.

946
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: Let's share that one next time. All right, back to

947
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: the beer. Matt Hawaiian Christmas Land by a little cottage

948
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: brewery are pal John who brews beer out of his garage,

949
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: and this is a stout conditioned on vanilla beans, coconut,

950
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: macadamia nuts, and conut coffee. I guarantee that this is

951
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: the best garage beer that anyone is making out of

952
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: a unconditioned room where they also store gasoline and lawmars.

953
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he has those things into the garage because

954
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: it's just normal garage stuff. But yeah, but the quality

955
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: of beer that he's making on his own is just

956
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: constantly blows my mind. Yeah, this this one another outstanding

957
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: beer of his. And we both used one word to

958
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: describe the beer at the beginning of the podcast, and

959
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: my word was oily. I tell you, honestly, it's more

960
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: of the texture, Okay, Yeah, like the weight, the weight,

961
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: the way, the way it poured, the way it hits

962
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: your tongue. It's very oily in in just kind of

963
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: its essence. The flavors are amazing. They pop and you

964
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: kind of get a little bit of all those things

965
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: I read out. Especially, I feel like the macadamia nuts,

966
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: it really sticks out. It's really fun beer because I

967
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever had one that tastes me quiet

968
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: like this. Yeah, dude, I am totally with you on

969
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: the macadamia nut, the vanilla, a little less on the coffee.

970
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: It's not sort of one of these kind of bitter

971
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: chocolate stouts. It's this sweet decadence, which is why I

972
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: said decadent. Is that what I said? Right? It? But

973
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: it feels decadent. It's a dessert beer in a sense.

974
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: And I think us sharing at twelve months bottle, like

975
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: we each are put down six ounces of this is perfect.

976
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:38,479
Speaker 1: It's it's like a perfect dessert chocolate, vanilla, macadamia nut cake,

977
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: cookie combo deal. I don't even know, but just all

978
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: the flavors coming together. It's it's heavier on the tongue

979
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: like that, but there's enough flavor there to warrant that

980
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: heaviness and because of that, Man, I think this is

981
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: an amazing beer and yet again totally impressed by by

982
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: our buddy John. Yeah, so thanks John, and fun to

983
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: drink this Christmas beer with you man during the season.

984
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: I mean, basically everything is better when you drink beer.

985
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: So Christmas just got better, all right, Matt, Let's get

986
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: to our final thoughts on the topic of cultivating a

987
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: healthy view of work, and man, it's a huge problem.

988
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: Most people just don't think intentionally about work, and we

989
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: think that's where you need to start. And the two

990
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: main points that will kind of help you reframe your

991
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: idea of work are that work is simultaneously both a

992
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: wonderful thing and then it also isn't everything. You have

993
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: to be able to hold both of those realities at

994
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: the same time in order to kind of develop that

995
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: proper view towards work. That's right, Joel, It's a balance, right,

996
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: And so some things to keep in mind when you

997
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: are developing your own healthy view of work is to

998
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: consider the fulfillment that you currently have in your work

999
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: by taking stock of what you are actually doing appreciate

1000
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: those things. Is ask yourself the question, do you have

1001
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: a life outside of work. You might find that you're

1002
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: finding too much of your self fulfillment in your work

1003
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: and too much of your identity is tied up into that.

1004
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: Just like our palt elon musk. Yeah, you don't want

1005
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: to spend your night sleeping under your desk at work, right, No,

1006
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: that's not good. But just yeah, make sure that you've

1007
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: got other stuff going on. And then lastly, we're not

1008
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: saying that you need to be complacent, be ambitious and

1009
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: challenge yourself. There's a lot of opportunities out there, whether

1010
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: it's within your current company or what you're doing. If

1011
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: your work just needs some slight tweaks, or if you

1012
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: find yourself in a position where you're not happy at

1013
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: all with where you are in life, it might require

1014
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: something a little more drastic, like a completely different career.

1015
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: But just keep in mind that the grass isn't always

1016
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: greener on the other side. All right, everyone, thank you

1017
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: so much for listening. We really appreciated. Our home on

1018
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: the web is how Some Money dot Com, and up

1019
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: there we'll have pictures like we normally do over beer

1020
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1021
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Speaker 1: to Money Pod, we like to have some behind the

1022
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: scenes action up there, as well as other stuff that

1023
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: we are thinking about, so be sure to check that out. Yeah,

1024
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Speaker 1: and if you like this podcast and you found the

1025
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