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Welcome to my show. Remember each 16 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: week this is the place you go to when you 17 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: want to learn the latest when it comes to anything 18 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: of ordinary. I mean shadow, people, angels, aliens, all of 19 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: the in between. Because we're all about talking, learning and 20 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: researching and listening. Listening is very important and I'm here 21 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: to listen to you. So if you've got something that 22 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: you've curious about, something you've experienced, something that when you 23 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: talk further on, go to my main website, which is 24 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis dot com and tell me about it. The 25 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: more details the better. I always say that, because man, 26 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: does it help to paint a picture. And uh, I 27 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: enjoy it, and I think others who are tuning in 28 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: also enjoy hearing those hills. All right, guess what you 29 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: guys today truly a special program, my friend, and a 30 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: fabulous research or one of a kind pioneering researcher is 31 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: going to be joining us. Kathleen Martin. Yes, that Kathleen Martin, Yes, 32 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: the niece of Betty and Barney Hill, who had an 33 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: abduction experience so many years ago, the first of its 34 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: kind that was truly documented and investigated, books written on it. 35 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: And but you know, I gotta say, Kathleen Martin and 36 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: her major own right, has really done a lot of 37 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: work that nobody, nobody has ever done prior. She's truly 38 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: truly something that you're going to really enjoy. And and 39 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: today we're going to discuss an element of her research. 40 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: I'm super excited to hear about more because we've had 41 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: some conversations over the years, and she's a she's with 42 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: Moufon and she looks into the facts and figures and 43 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: especially focuses in on alien experienceers right, and her research 44 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: has of course taken some twists and turns, and and 45 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: she's decided to finally step forward fully, more fully She's 46 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: always taken steps forward and a lot of different things, 47 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: but more fully in the arena of matters of the 48 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: soul when meeting with different types of beings. And now, 49 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: if you guys know me speaking on this show, matters 50 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: of the soul is what matters most, and how this 51 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: is very much a spiritual type of thing that's going 52 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: on when it comes to alien interactions, alien contact, shadow people, 53 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: angelic beings, Jesus encounters, hat Man encounters which he comes 54 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: forward to say he is the devil himself. And I 55 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: always connect shadow people and hat Man to what aliens 56 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: okay and their spiritual experience. Well, all right, where are 57 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: we going with this? We're going all in air, that's what. 58 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: And for those of who don't know, my first book 59 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: was called The Secret War and Uh, and it spoke 60 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: of the static or the conflict in alien contact that 61 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: people are experiencing more than one type of encounter. It's 62 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: not always the same being. It's not always a positive thing, 63 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: it's not always a negative thing. And sometimes the beings 64 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: can look like each other. But you have to know 65 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: by their actions and how they feel, yes, feel what's 66 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: in front of you. And it's so important to know 67 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: how to do that, how to distinguish, and to know 68 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: help when it comes, and to know when's a block. Okay, 69 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: highly highly important, and uh, Kathleen is also going to 70 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: be speaking on that today. I'm just so super excited 71 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: to talk to her today. Over the years, she has 72 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: dished out some doziase and uh, getting into those little 73 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: corners that a lot of people don't get into in 74 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 1: this field. And you know, I am more about the person, 75 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: the experience, or the heart and soul of things. And 76 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: but we need those people who measure things so use 77 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: a science. I mean, there's a lot of us that 78 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: need that hardcore evidence. But I'm always on that arena 79 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: of thinking. You know, hold on. We take the word 80 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: of scientists every day because we trust that their degree 81 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: is going to really explain things to us. Honestly, you know, 82 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: truthful and honest, but it's not until we have other 83 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: scientists to check when it's been gone over and then 84 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: we find there's been floods on things. Right, So I'm 85 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: that's why I'm like, you know, it's always taking somebody's 86 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: word for something. So I I've been an experiencer. I 87 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: have a science degree in the medical field as an 88 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: occupational therapist. But again, we're opinionated people, right, We're humans 89 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: so far and uh so we have to realize that 90 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: well as we move through this life, people will not 91 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: always be the most honest, and so I get it. 92 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: We do need the science approach to a lot of 93 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: stuff we do. I think it's very much needed. Um, 94 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: doing the checks and balances on those things are very 95 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: important too. But again I lean more towards the experiencer. Um, 96 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: the person looking you in the eyes saying this happened 97 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: to me, and me being an experience, are going I 98 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: believe you, I have seen such things or I understand that. 99 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: And that's where Kathleen Martin and she's into She's got 100 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: the science part, but she's also got the experience or 101 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: part two, because she is really it's been in her 102 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: family and this is something that she's witnessed herself. And uh, 103 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: and then getting to the nitty gritty about some of 104 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: the research that hasn't been put out there. Um, matters 105 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: of the soul, there's a soul element when it comes 106 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: to quote aliens. How is that possible? Well, let me see. 107 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: I literally put in the very first book that I 108 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,559 Speaker 1: wrote in college, was like, do you believe your pet 109 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: has a soul? And if you can believe that part? 110 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: Is it really that much of a stretch to believe that? 111 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: Also aliens? If you can believe in aliens, Okay, we're 112 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: not even gonna try to prove that, but if you 113 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: can believe that aliens exists, when they have souls too, 114 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't they have like the choice to be a decent 115 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: alien or a bad one? You know, it's like we're 116 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: placing our bets on all of them to be in 117 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: one category. No, no, no, no no. And uh, I 118 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: think that's the beauty of what's going on out there. 119 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: There's a lot to understand, and there's a lot to comprehend, 120 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of subjective opinions in these things. 121 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: But guess what Kathleen does the measurements as well. She 122 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: looks at the trends, she does the research, she does 123 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: the science part, she does the heart part, she does 124 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: the soul part. And when she reveals to you today 125 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: the stuff that she's dove into, I mean, it just 126 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: backs up so much that people like herself, myself and 127 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: others who are like these beings are not just uh 128 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: the science E touch field dig there's radiation here, measure 129 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: It's not just all that. There's a lot going on 130 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: behind those eyes that we see all over the covers 131 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: of these alien books that are out there. There's a 132 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: lot going on, and it could be to your advantage 133 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: or your disadvantage. If you do participate in alien experiences. 134 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: You need to know, you need to know these things. 135 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: They are not all bad. And and I again, I 136 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: don't get into, uh, the measurements and get to have 137 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: the big research and lots of numbers of people coming 138 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: in and say I've experienced this da da dada and 139 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: be able to categorize and everything. I do actually have 140 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: a lot of feedback from many years ago. I have 141 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: not gone through all of it. It is a lot. 142 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: It's a lot, hundreds of pages of a survey that 143 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: I did of alien experiences. Uh, to ultimately show some 144 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: of the conflict and alien contact going out there, among 145 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: other things. But guess what Kathleen has. She did this, 146 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: she did the research. And I am very pleasantly surprised 147 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: and pleased to hear that for the most part, a 148 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: lot of the contact going on out there is more 149 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: for the better, more for the better. I'm not talking 150 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: about the ones that make it into the movies, and uh, 151 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: you know all the horror. People love the horror. I know, 152 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: I know, UM, but that's the one that you hear 153 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: about the most. And those are the ones. No, no, no, 154 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: friend of mine, that you keep coming into my house 155 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: and you're abusing me. No, I don't want that in 156 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: my life or in my space. And that's something that um, 157 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: I've been talking about forever. It's like there's more than 158 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: one thing going on here, and the ones, unfortunately, that 159 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: you hear the most about are the negative ones. So 160 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: we can't we can't have that taking precedence in the 161 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: talk when it comes to alien and UFO contact. Okay, 162 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: so we are, UM, we're seeing some hope and us 163 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm excited. I honestly am. UM. Good always wins, right, 164 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: good always wins. The good guys usually win in the 165 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: end of any good movie, right, the rotten movies, you're 166 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: just like, well, we're looking for a sequel, um, But 167 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: the good guys always win in the end. And uh, 168 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: hearing this type of research, I think it will be 169 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: a positive um note for people to hear this as well. 170 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: But also there's a warning because again it's not all 171 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: good out there, and it's just very much like, uh, 172 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: you know when people have had some kind of medical issue. Right, 173 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: Let you say you went in for a surgery and 174 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: it didn't go well, so you're gonna like complain. You 175 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: can probably put it online and say, oh, this is horrible, right, Uh. 176 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: But the ones that are successful, they went on living 177 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: their lives. They're they're they're busy, so they're not gonna 178 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: really complain about it. Or maybe they might reach back 179 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: every once in a while and post online said look 180 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: it was good for me, maybe it'll good be good 181 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: for you. You You know that type of thing. But so 182 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: we do hear more of the negative out there. I 183 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: was told to the alien contact and other contact that 184 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: have had UH that the good guys are are pushing 185 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: forward to do bigger and better things and so I'm 186 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: glad to hear the trend is definitely going in that direction. 187 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: I don't receive the UFO alien emails that I once 188 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: did with my website and group called UFO to you 189 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: dot com. Uh, that's all I got. We're alien emails, 190 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: you know. I had this or I saw that, and 191 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: then I discovered shadow people and people thought, oh, she's 192 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: in the paranormal. Now No, it's all connected. So I 193 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: used to be able to keep my eye on the 194 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: trends a bit more back then, and lost track of 195 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: that because of the shadow people topic. But um, so 196 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: relying upon those like Kathleen doing the research as she 197 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: does and hearing what's out there, reading the books, reading 198 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: the articles, and people do reach out every so often, uh, 199 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: to still let me know what's going on there in 200 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: the PHO alien world actively, you know. Um, it's important, 201 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: it's important. So to hear this trending to be a 202 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: bit more positive is is for each that's great. Um. However, 203 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: these nagative beings are also very active, and I mean 204 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: shadow beings, which are essentially the puppeteers of some of 205 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: these negative beings out there. So and I think they're 206 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: just kind of you know, escaping the husk of aliens 207 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: and just stepping out of the shadows like hatmn um. 208 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, they're making themselves known in different ways. But 209 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: if you guys are into a super treat here after 210 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: the break and don't forget, go to Heidi House dot com. 211 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: Tell me your story and we'll be right back. You 212 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis 213 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM 214 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. Check her out. We'll be right back 215 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: with Kathleen Martin. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light 216 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and 217 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. As promised, my 218 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: fabulous guest is Kathleen Martin, who is a researcher, author 219 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: and camera expert and conference presenter. She's widely considered one 220 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: of the leading UFO contact researchers of our time, since 221 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: researched with perplexing nature of UFOs and then non human 222 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: entities associated with highly advanced aerial vehicles via her own 223 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: groundbreaking research, investigation and experimentation. Her research has extended to 224 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,599 Speaker 1: archival collections and the US government's involvement in the investigation 225 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: of UFOs and its major studies. This has combined to 226 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: give her and end up knowledge that if you possess. 227 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: Her interest in UFOs began in nine when her aunt 228 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: and uncle Betty and Barney Hill, had a close encounter 229 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: and abduction in New Hampshire's White Mountains. She has worked 230 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: on three comprehensive studies on nearly five thousand experiences. Be 231 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: sure to check out her latest book, Forbidden Knowledge of 232 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: Personal Journey from Alien Abduction to Spiritual Transformation for deeper 233 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: insight into Kathleen's own life works. So I'd like to 234 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: welcome Kathleen Martin to the show. How are you doing there, Kathleen, 235 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: I'm doing well. It's great to be back with you, Heidie, 236 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: been too long, And I'm telling you you are truly 237 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: a pioneer of many sorts and I honestly you're a 238 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: mentor of mine and I'm sure to thousands of others 239 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: that you're unaware of or you are so um. I'm 240 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: really appreciative for all the work that you do and 241 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: that you're still doing in the future stuff because you're 242 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: always kind of mixing it up and evolving and Uh, 243 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: I give you much kudos for all of that. Well, 244 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:32,239 Speaker 1: thank you. I will not remain stagnant in my research. 245 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: I continue to do experimentation and investigation, and when I 246 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: have compelling findings, I share them with the public. That's wonderful. 247 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: And you know I've done shows with you, several of 248 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: them where we've had a long time to talk, and 249 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: I have such a short program now and I just 250 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: want to dive all in into your new stuff because 251 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: it's just too short and I could talk to you forever, 252 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: and I think I have on many occasions. So I mean, 253 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: so your newest book, you're talking about evolving and just 254 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: in everything that you do, can you tell us a 255 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: little bit of your background? Of course they were your 256 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: bio just now and um, but like in how you've 257 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: come to this point and what's your new book is about? Well, 258 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: I started when I was thirteen years old because Betty 259 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: and Barney Hill were my aunt and uncle and I 260 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: was thirteen when they had their close encounter and subsequent 261 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: abduction New Hampshire's White Mountains. So I've always had an 262 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: interest in this topic and I met most of the 263 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: major researchers and investigators, uh way back when such as 264 00:16:54,560 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: Alan Heinich, h Jacque Valet, uh, John full Earth, the 265 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: Writer and so many more Dr James Harder and I 266 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: admired them and I thought, when I was younger, how 267 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: much I would like to follow their path if I 268 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: possibly could. Only I didn't know what I had to 269 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: study to do that, and so I ended up studying 270 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: social science in college. And it's sort of all evolved 271 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: so that I have participated in as a researcher in 272 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: three UH major studies on abductees and experiencers of contact 273 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: to identify commonalities that they share but are not shared 274 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: with the general public, and so that was pretty exciting. 275 00:17:55,600 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: I joined the mutual UFO not Network in and trained 276 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: to become a field investigator. I held the position of 277 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: director of Field Investigator Training for ten years and for 278 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: move On, and then also the director of Experiencer Research 279 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: and the Experience or Research Team for ten YEARSS. And 280 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: so I've I've just been been really actively involved. Worked 281 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: with Stanton Friedman nuclear physicists for nearly fourteen years and 282 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: wrote three books together with him. UH. So it's been 283 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: an ever evolving process and I absolutely love what I 284 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: do and I will probably continue it as long as 285 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: I live, as long as I'm healthy enough, I hear you, 286 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: my goodness, you, so you're never bored. Those are the 287 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: words I'm hearing coming from you. With all of that, 288 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: that's true. I never permit myself to be bored because 289 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: I'm always looking for the answers, and when I find 290 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: one answer and confirmation of that, I look for another answer. 291 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: That's that's brilliant. You speak of the patterns of those 292 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: that have been contacted by alien beings, and you still 293 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: use the word abductions. A lot of people don't like 294 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: to say that word anymore. They'll say contact you. But 295 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: I'm thinking along the lines, and it sounds like you 296 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: do two at times. Maybe that you know, if you're 297 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: taken against your will, not always knowing what's going on, 298 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: it's not the best thing going on. Well, I prefer 299 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: the word experiencer, but the word abduction was used in 300 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: two of those studies that I worked on, so and 301 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: my publisher has put that word on some of my 302 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: books as well, because they reserved the right to use 303 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: whatever verbiage they wanted on the front cover. So I 304 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: do prefer experience or That term was coined by Dr 305 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: John mac and it was used uh as sort of 306 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: a generic term, so you know, abductee is kind of 307 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: a loaded term. Contact e is kind of a loaded 308 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 1: term um indicating either you were kidnapped or you went, uh, 309 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: you called them in and went willingly sort of. So uh, 310 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: that's an explanation of what I do. I like that 311 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: I see the reasoning behind it both ways. So that 312 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: totally makes sense because yeah, it's you do have a 313 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: kind of a mental picture of what's going on here 314 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: when somebody says one word or the other, but you 315 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: like experience there. Okay, I gotta dig further, got it? 316 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: I have to tell you on the most recent study 317 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: that I did with a mutual UFO network, Dr Don C. 318 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: Don Jerry from McGill Universe that he recently retired, and 319 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: Dr Michael Austin Melton, Denise Stoner, and the late Craig Lang. 320 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: We studied five hundred and sixteen experiencers and then Dr 321 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: Don Darry administered the American Personality Inventory uh, and he 322 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: was able to identify those who have what he called 323 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: UFO abduction syndrome. So you know, I had to use 324 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: that word too, even though it's sort of passe because 325 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: that is what that measure was developed for. And Dr 326 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: Don Jerry Uh standardized at down to sixty five questions. So, 327 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: but what I wanted to tell you is that one 328 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: of those questions was if you could end your abductions 329 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: or contact events today at you now, Among those five 330 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: hundred and sixteen sent said they did not want to 331 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: end their contact experiences. But among the abductee group that 332 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: we were able to identify through Dr Don Dari's tests 333 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: the A p I UH, seventy five per cent of 334 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: the those who were identified as having UFO abduction syndrome 335 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: said no, I don't want to end my contact. So, 336 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, it sort of means that it's not as 337 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: bad as a lot of people think that it might be. 338 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: That is puzzling. You know, I've sat in groups where 339 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: they were, of course dealing with a lot of unfriendly 340 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: experiences and and absolutely horrific experiences, and and you know, 341 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: I watched this whole morphing going on where they're like 342 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: sleeping with a gun close by the bad too. I'm special. 343 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: I was selected for this. It's okay, I get it now, 344 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: or I volunteered for this. I'm like, hold on, just 345 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago it was another story. So 346 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: what is this? I it's so uh, it's so puzzling 347 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: to me as an observer and as an experiencer of 348 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: a different sort. I've not been abducted that I know of, UM, 349 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: but it's it's like, UM, I don't know, it's not 350 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: Stockholm syndrome. Maybe in some cases, what do you what 351 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: do you suspect is going on? You just think it 352 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: may not be as bad as it seems. You're as 353 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: you just said, Well, how do I I have worked 354 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: on some of those horrific cases as well. Uh that 355 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: were a combination of uh ufo abduction. Guy who carried 356 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: a gun all the time, who cancuffed himself to the 357 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: wall when he went to bed at night, uh, trying 358 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: not to be taken. And this was a commercial pilot 359 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: who had retired to a private airport UM and was 360 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: was running that airport and aircraft repair business there. But 361 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: there it was very weird because it was former Native 362 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: American land, just like um the skin Walker Ranch and 363 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: up in Utah, and the same kinds of things were happening, 364 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: this highly negative contact with these reptilians in these little 365 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: rogue grays who were terrible Uh, they didn't treat him well, 366 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: and he was terrified and of course fighting back the 367 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: whole time being angry. And what I've discovered is that 368 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: he was giving them what they desired because this is 369 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: a highly negative group and they feed off fear, off, anger, off, loathing, 370 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: all of those things that were in this man. And uh, 371 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: you know so, I've also had worked on cases that 372 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: were highly positive. Can I can I hold you right there, Kathleen, 373 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: because we've got to get to our nets break and 374 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: I don't want to miss anything. So you guys, you 375 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis 376 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,239 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a 377 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: am para normal podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be right 378 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: back with Mark. Kathleen Martin. Welcome back. You are listening 379 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: to Arc Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the 380 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 381 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: Have Kathleen Martin and wow, she was sharing about a 382 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: really extraordinary experiencer who was having horrific ailien abductions. End up, 383 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: but then you're getting into how people have extraordinarily positive 384 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 1: contact experiences and you're going to tell us what's going 385 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: on between the two. Yes, absolutely, Uh. I've have worked 386 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: on cases where people were uh taken to meet their 387 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: ET family members who they did not want to leave 388 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: their ET family. They said that they were here uh 389 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: to attempt to save this planet because we were moving 390 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: in a very uh a tenuous direction where people are 391 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: on other planets who moved in this direction, who were 392 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: at this level of technological development but not develop spiritually 393 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: uh be engaged in behavior that ended up destroying life 394 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: on that planet. And so these experiencers or contact ease 395 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: say that they are here uh to help to guide humans, 396 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: to help to raise our level of spirituality. UH. They 397 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: are have the gift of healing. They're able to heal others, 398 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: and uh if they become ill, the e t s 399 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: heal them. So it's all very positive. But what I 400 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: have discovered that among the majority of experiences of contact 401 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: uh they just say that it is business like or 402 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: it depends upon the type of entity that they are 403 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: interacting with on the depending on the type of experience 404 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: that they will have. So there's a conflict in alien 405 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: contact happening. Yes, there there are some that appear to 406 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: be very kind to take Chris Bledsoe, for example, he 407 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: is having marrying apparitions and receiving prophecy he can call 408 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: in orbs. Uh. He I've worked with two women who 409 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: I had introduced to him, and they were highly respected 410 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: paranormal investigators and they went to his home to conduct 411 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: research and they ended up being taken with two craft 412 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: with Chris, and I had a highly positive experience both 413 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: of them. Um. One of them ended up with the 414 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,239 Speaker 1: traumatic stress after because she didn't know what happened and 415 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: she thought the worst, but she ended up realizing that 416 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: it was very positive contact that she had. And UH, 417 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, it just blows me away that Chris is 418 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: uh is having these marrying apparitions of the late angelic 419 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: looking woman dressed in white and receiving prophecy. And then 420 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: on the other end of that spectrum, you have people 421 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: who are having contact with what, uh, by all definitions, 422 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: appears to be demonic, as if evil had been weaponized. 423 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: That's disturbing. What what are these beings appearing at when 424 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: they see and experience this. Well, the more positive ones 425 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: appear to be human types. Uh. They're often working with 426 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: gray types who are friendly. There are many races of grays. 427 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: You can't think about grays and say, okay, there's one gray. 428 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: This is the stereotype of the gray. That's just not true. 429 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: Some of them are sentient beings, others appear to be androids. Uh. 430 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: Then in addition to this, you have the Mandis types. Now, 431 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: they have a very bad reputation, Yet I've worked with 432 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: people who believe they're related to them, who love them 433 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: with all their hearts, who don't want to leave them, 434 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: who say how kind they are. And but then you 435 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: have people like David Acobs who say that they are 436 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: here in order to take over the Earth and are 437 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: creating hubrids UH in order to supplant humans on our planet. 438 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: So you have what a mixture of different UH attitudes 439 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: by different researchers and also by different experiences of contact. 440 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: I've worked with people in hypnosis who were having contact 441 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: with these mantis types who became very frightened because the 442 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: mantis types didn't interact with them in a way that 443 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: could be easily understood by the human being. Yet the 444 00:31:54,320 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: mantis in in the end was either being just UH 445 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: business like or having a positive relationship with this human um. 446 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,479 Speaker 1: The reptilians, you get back down to them, and you 447 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: have human type or humanoid reptilians and people who interact 448 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: well with them. You have I know of someone who 449 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: has been healed by a reptilian type UM and there 450 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: is DNA evidence for this, which is pretty amazing in 451 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: and of itself. It's related to a reptile from UH, 452 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: South America who that is the closest to the human 453 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: genome of any reptiles. And but then you have these 454 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: draconian reptilians, the kind who have tales, who are shape shifters, 455 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: who were with these little rogue grays who are described 456 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: as evil this isn't a very small percentage, in less 457 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: than ten percent of the cases, and who are extraordinarily cruel, 458 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: who feed off human fear and loathing. And so you know, 459 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: there are just different types of entities. But thankfully, the 460 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: kinder type UH say that they are keeping the others 461 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: at bay, which is really important to know that these 462 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: these negative types are only a small percentage of all contact, 463 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: because some people would like to believe that it's all 464 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: negative and it's not right if it's taken against their will, 465 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: if it's abusive. I mean, you see the writing on 466 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: the wall right like that's bad, okay, And over here 467 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: it's good. Okay, Yes, it seems pretty clean cut and uh, 468 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: but it does get muddied at times and uh, and 469 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: it's a it's a shame. And I think that oftentimes 470 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: a single person can indeed have positive and negative beings 471 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: working with them, and it confuses the lots of what's 472 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: going on, so the picture gets painted to be one 473 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: way when it's like, hold on, there was a whole 474 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: other set of creatures I was working with, yes, yes, 475 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: and and maybe they were just kidnapped by that other 476 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: type of creature because of their positive contact with another 477 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: type exactly. And in the work that I've done, I've 478 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: noticed that if you're able to keep the more negative 479 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: ones at bay, the more positive come more often. Um. 480 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: So it's important to keep your your guard up for 481 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: certain types of interaction. Have you known any thing to 482 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: be helpful to keep certain ones away if you're not 483 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 1: wanting to experience. Yes. Absolutely. Through the research I've done 484 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: and by the unfortunate attachment that I had a few 485 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: years back, um, I learned how to detach these entities. 486 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: And what you have to do is you have to 487 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: raise your vibrational frequency and probably people are scratching their 488 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: heads and saying, what's a vibrational frequency? Well, as the 489 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 1: E T s explain it, it's only a matter of 490 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: UH being a happier, kinder human. So you have to 491 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: keep your mood up, and you can do this by 492 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: through guided meditations, choker meditations that will raise your vibrational frequency, 493 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: will keep your mood up, will keep you happy and 494 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: and feeling calm. Whereas if you engage in UH activities 495 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: such as violence, such as um, anything that is cruel 496 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: or evil, then you will attract them. But what happened 497 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: to me is one just came sneaking in, and that 498 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: happened to the researchers at the skin Walker Ranch as well. 499 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: I was working with a man who was having highly 500 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: negative contact. I was attempting to determine whether this was 501 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: actually eat s or if it was just demons what 502 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: we think of as demons, and terrible things were happening 503 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: in his life. And I knew that this man wasn't 504 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: mentally ill. I had been able to eliminate that possibility, 505 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: and he was becoming sicker and sicker, and I was 506 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what was going on in this 507 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: particular case. I stayed in it longer than I should 508 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: have because he told me something that was so horrific 509 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: that momentarily it lowered my vibration. I felt horrified. It 510 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: really creeped me out. And when that happened, this entity 511 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: had the ability to attach to me, and I immediately 512 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: felt a dark cloud come over me, and I uh 513 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,879 Speaker 1: tried to get rid of it on my own through 514 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: the practice of religion, through holy water, through the crucifixes. 515 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: I'm Catholic, you know that are on my wall, and 516 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: I couldn't get rid of this thing. And can we 517 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: pick that up after the break, because we gotta jump 518 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 1: on over to it. It goes quick. Kathleen you area. 519 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 520 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 521 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:30,919 Speaker 1: a AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We'll be right back. Welcome back. 522 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 523 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 524 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I'm speaking with Kathleen Martin, and 525 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 1: I want you to finish your story because holy smokes, 526 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: you've got something negative that was hanging on you from 527 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: an odd encounter, yes, and this would never happened to 528 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: me before. But it continued to gain power. It had 529 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: an impact on my sleep, which and I generally don't 530 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: have any difficulty at all with that. It had a 531 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: different impact on my mood. Normally I'm not a person 532 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: who uses foul language, but I started to use foul 533 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: language and I was just not myself. And finally it 534 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: spoke to me and it told me that I was 535 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: going to die soon, and I why didn't I just 536 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: do it? And I at that point said, this is 537 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: going to end. And I have a friend who was 538 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: a minister who was able to remove these attachments, but 539 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: she lives a four hour drive from me, so uh, 540 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: she couldn't remove it from a distance. I was going 541 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: to have to wait. But because of that message, I 542 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: contacted and an experiencer of positive contact, and I had 543 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: been in touch with the positive entities that he's in 544 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: contact with, and so I called him up and I 545 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: explained what had happened to me, and he said, I'll 546 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: ask them to take care of this right now. He 547 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: asked them, and it was immediately lifted. It was gone, 548 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: so uh, And then I learned from them that the 549 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: the importance of raising your vibrational frequency and how to 550 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: do that. So it was all a very important lesson, 551 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 1: although painful and a little bit frightening, and I never 552 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 1: want to have that happen again, right, And knowing that 553 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,879 Speaker 1: these negative things feed off from that type of thing. 554 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: They were having a feast, and it's not just that 555 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: they feed off from it, they create the problem. So 556 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: you just keep feeding into it, and it's this as 557 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: vicious circle. This kind of feeds into your new book, 558 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,040 Speaker 1: Forbidden Knowledge, a personal journey from alien abduction to a 559 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: spiritual transformation. I mean, you're speaking of demons and aliens 560 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: in the same sentence, so tell us about this, and 561 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: I have to speak of angels my varying apparitions in 562 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: that same sentence too. But so in Forbidden Knowledge, I 563 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: talk about my personal history from uh being the niece 564 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 1: of Betty and Barney Hill, to having experiments going on 565 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: where my aunt was attempting to working with a team 566 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: of scientists attempting to call in craft to land on 567 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: my grandparents farm. Uh one did land. Apparently the e 568 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: t s thought that it was an invitation to take 569 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,320 Speaker 1: my mother and myself because we both ended up on craft. 570 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: I was seventeen years old at that time, and then 571 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 1: they came periodically throughout my lifetime, and I thought that 572 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: I would never speak of this UH in public, but 573 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: I decided to because times have changed, because the government 574 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: that UM Defense Intelligence Agency and representatives from the government 575 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 1: are speaking out now about how these things are real 576 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: and they're happening. And they talked about the hitchhikers that 577 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,359 Speaker 1: went home with people who did research at the skin 578 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: Walker Ranch, and these hitchhikers are like these attachments, and 579 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: I wanted them to know that there are ways to 580 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: get rid of these negative entities and to have positive 581 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,760 Speaker 1: contact as well. So I wrote about my own life story. 582 00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 1: I wrote about UH information that I received from the 583 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: granddaughter of Admiral Rear Admiral Herbert Knowles from the US 584 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 1: Navy and Wilbert Smith from the Canadian government, a brilliant 585 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: engineer but also the head of the UH government's the 586 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:27,879 Speaker 1: Canadian government's UFO desk, and an experiment that they conducted 587 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: to contact extraterrestrials, and how this information went to Dwight 588 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:41,720 Speaker 1: Eisenhower through Margaret Chase Smith, and how the information received 589 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: from this woman who was making contact was far above 590 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: her level of knowledge or understanding. It was scientific information 591 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: that ended up being verified. So that caused me to 592 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: decide that if the government can do this, I can 593 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,360 Speaker 1: do it too. And I was invited to take part 594 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: in a study of an experiencer who claimed to be 595 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: having contact with a council of eight extraterrestrials and UH. 596 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 1: This research team and I met once a month with 597 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: this experiencer and we were able to meet these non humans. 598 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: Each one of them came in to meet us. We 599 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: could not see them, but we could feel their energy. 600 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: We could feel a very strong tingling sensation in our bodies. 601 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: We learned to tell to telepathically communicate with them and 602 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:58,359 Speaker 1: to feel them when we could call them into our environment. 603 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: They all it was all highly positive. We were invited 604 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,320 Speaker 1: to ask questions over a period of two years, and 605 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: UH receive very detailed answers to our questions, which we 606 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 1: greatly appreciated. So they're in Forbidden Knowledge. There are a 607 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty of our questions and their detailed answers. 608 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: So the second half of Forbidden Knowledge is about UH. 609 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: This experiment by the governments of Canada and the United 610 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 1: States government, and then the experiments that I participated in 611 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 1: with other researchers. Uh, it is phenomenal. Uh. And we 612 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 1: received an abundance of information that really opened our eyes 613 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 1: to why the e t s are here? The positive 614 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,000 Speaker 1: ones that there is a council that is part of 615 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: a federation, and we were able to measure this scientifically beautiful. 616 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: I have goose bumps. I had to present my first 617 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 1: book in front of that council in order to get 618 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: permission to put it out, The Secret War Book. Is 619 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 1: that so? So I'm sitting here like holy smokes, Like 620 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,360 Speaker 1: I don't hear anyone speak of that council, Council of 621 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: elders essentially, but yeah, yes, wow, wow, Kathleen, you know what, 622 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:44,399 Speaker 1: why don't you live closer? Why don't you live closer? Right? 623 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm like every time I talked to you, 624 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: and like she did it again. She has my jaw 625 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,279 Speaker 1: on the floor. This is amazing, and I mean and 626 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 1: and it's very brave of you two to step forward 627 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: in this big way, because it doesn't it feel like 628 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: things are really shifting and changing were you know, everything's 629 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: out the door. We've got to put it out there. Yes, 630 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: it does believe it seem like things are shifting and changing, 631 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: and I had to make the decision. Was I going 632 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: to step forward and risk losing that wonderful reputation that 633 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: I had built as a researcher over the past thirty 634 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: some odd years, uh, and suppress this information that I had, 635 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 1: or was I going trying to step forward and just 636 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,880 Speaker 1: bravely presented and take the consequences whatever they might be, 637 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: because I felt that it was so important that I 638 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:52,600 Speaker 1: had to do that. This is extraordinarily important information. Um. 639 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:57,120 Speaker 1: And uh, information that I think that everyone would like 640 00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,840 Speaker 1: to have, including our government. Yeah. And my hand is 641 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: raised because I knew you always would go there because 642 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 1: you're that extraordinary. You just are. And we've had some 643 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 1: fabulous conversations that let me know that God rules overall. Um, 644 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,359 Speaker 1: It's like it's hard to Uh, it's hard to when 645 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: matters of the soul and of importance like that. That's 646 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,839 Speaker 1: where I know you are are really strong at and um, yeah, 647 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 1: I have no doubts. Um. So how can people get 648 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: ahold of this book? And and what's your website? How 649 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: can people get ahold of you? Well, my book is 650 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,719 Speaker 1: available on Amazon. It's forbidden knowledge. A personal journey from 651 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,840 Speaker 1: alien abduction to spiritual transformation. Or you can purchase autograph 652 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,400 Speaker 1: copies of all six of my books on my website 653 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,759 Speaker 1: at Kathleen Dash Martin M A R D E N 654 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: dot com and UH. I also have several articles that 655 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,719 Speaker 1: you can read and you can see where I'm going 656 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: to be speaking UH this year as well. So I'm 657 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:06,439 Speaker 1: really looking forward to live conferences again. Oh gosh, yes, 658 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 1: those are so Overdo we need to get out of 659 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,959 Speaker 1: the house and start seeing people eye to eye? Well, 660 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 1: Kathleen Martin, I want to thank you so much for 661 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,760 Speaker 1: coming on this program. You are an inspiration to many 662 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 1: and wow, going above and beyond per usual, so I 663 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:28,440 Speaker 1: applaud you again. Thank you so much, Heidi. Wow, fabulous. 664 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,160 Speaker 1: We have come to the bottom of another wonderful interview. 665 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,719 Speaker 1: Kathleen blows my mind every single time, always something new, 666 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 1: always a new perspective that pulls you in, and I 667 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 1: think it's important that we take note of everything she 668 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,319 Speaker 1: mentioned today. UM, I want to remind you guys go 669 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 1: to my main website, Heidi Hollas dot com or shadow 670 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,480 Speaker 1: Folks dot com. Tell me about what it is if 671 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 1: you're experiencing out there tell me what you're researching, tell 672 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,120 Speaker 1: me what you'd like me to dive into. And also 673 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,760 Speaker 1: if you want to be a guest on this show. 674 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 1: Also good hi website and tell me that you'd like 675 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 1: to do that. Uh, and you know I've got a 676 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,359 Speaker 1: paranormal comic trip I've been doing for a while and 677 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: I think you guys might ticket. You can follow me 678 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,400 Speaker 1: at the Outlanders Comic on Instagram or go to the 679 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:17,319 Speaker 1: Outlanders comic dot com. Oh wow. Um, you know I 680 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,759 Speaker 1: love what I do, right, I just I live and 681 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: breathe this every day and I might do it in 682 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,240 Speaker 1: my sleep. But I want to thank everybody for tuning 683 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,239 Speaker 1: in today, and uh, you know we're gonna keep this rolling. 684 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 1: You have been listening to Dark Becomes Light with me 685 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,360 Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to 686 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,799 Speaker 1: Coast a AM paranormal podcast Network. We'll see you next time. 687 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:52,040 Speaker 1: Stay safe for everybody. Good bye. 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