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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal. Indeed, we do lots of

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Speaker 1: big stories as the fallout continues from that momentous decision

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Speaker 1: though he's a Democrat, which is kind of mystifying to me.

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Speaker 1: Same whenever it comes on terms of codifying it at

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Speaker 1: a national level, I mean that really they need to

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Speaker 1: present a plan they've talked previously. I mean, actually, you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess Elizabeth Warren is the only person I've even

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Speaker 1: said this or seen say this saying, Hey, we need

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Speaker 1: to pick up these two seats Pennsylvania and Wisconsin that

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Speaker 1: would give us enough votes in order to end the

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Speaker 1: filibuster in the case of this particular vote. And we

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Speaker 1: could do that, but I haven't heard that yet from

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Speaker 1: President Vitra. If you believe in that, then you should

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Speaker 1: run on it. So this is there's a lot of dishonesty.

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Speaker 1: I think that is happening on the political fallout point

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Speaker 1: from the right, as we predicted in the preview yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen here in Virginia,

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Speaker 1: Abigail Spanberger in a districtors we'll talk about in a second,

447
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Speaker 1: which is very much a toss up for the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: He was running in a very tight race. Yes, silly

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Speaker 1: they who's the Republican nominee against Abigail Spanberger. Here's what

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Speaker 1: she had to say at an event in Stafford County.

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Speaker 1: In Stafford County say, she said, quote, I've actually heard

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Speaker 1: it's harder for a woman to get pregnant if she's

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Speaker 1: been raped. Have you heard that? She was asked this,

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Speaker 1: and then she responded, well, maybe because there's so much

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Speaker 1: going on the body. I don't know. I haven't you

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Speaker 1: seen any studies. I'm processing what you're saying. It wouldn't

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Speaker 1: surprise me. It's not something that's happening organically. You're forcing it.

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Speaker 1: The individual is not. Oh my god, I can't even

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Speaker 1: continue reading this, which just look, yeah, todd Ak and vibes.

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Speaker 1: It just shows you the spot that a lot of

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Speaker 1: these people are in. They have to juggle extraordinarily religious

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Speaker 1: voters at the primary level, and also not sound freaking crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is something where look, it doesn't take

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Speaker 1: a genius or reproductive health expert in order to tell

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Speaker 1: you that there's no validity to what she's saying, but

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Speaker 1: it is a preview of exactly the problems that the

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Speaker 1: GOP will face down ballot now for a long time,

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Speaker 1: and it exactly shows you her. No, there's no claim

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Speaker 1: on the show that's going to lead to some blue

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Speaker 1: wave come November. But put this up there in terms

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Speaker 1: of the Cook Political Report and their toss up races.

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Speaker 1: You know, Spanburger is right there in the toss up category.

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Speaker 1: There are twenty three races that are right on the

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Speaker 1: edge Henry Quaar's you know district. It was an example

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Speaker 1: Spanburger there. You were telling me that she's still probably

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Speaker 1: going to win this Republican lady, given what's happened with

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Speaker 1: a districting. But who looked into me? I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: who knows. It's actually my district now I've been redistricted

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Speaker 1: into this one. So it's the choice of a former

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Speaker 1: CIA and this lady lady who was actually a cop.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. This all came up because she brought up

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Speaker 1: the fact, seeming again to downplay that getting pregnant from

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Speaker 1: rape was a thing. She's like, I've only dealt with

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Speaker 1: one instance like this in my career in law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: and that's what led to this exchange. Or whoever she's

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Speaker 1: talking to is like, yeah, what do you think of

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Speaker 1: about that? Is that? Like is it less common? And

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Speaker 1: then she goes, well, I haven't seen any studies, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: kind of makes sense to me anyway, it's a D

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Speaker 1: plus one district. That means that the district votes on

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Speaker 1: average one point more democratic than the nation as a whole.

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Speaker 1: I would say that's going to be very tough sledding

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Speaker 1: in this particular year. Now, Listen, you always have an

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Speaker 1: advantage when you're incumbent, and you have another advantage when

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Speaker 1: you have your opponents saying things like this. But I

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Speaker 1: will also say that at the congressional level, at the

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Speaker 1: House level, it's very hard to break apart from sort

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Speaker 1: of whatever the national trends are. Now, if it's a

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Speaker 1: Senate candidate like Todd Aichen was, for example, gubernatorial candidates

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Speaker 1: a statewide race, you've got more media, you've got more money,

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Speaker 1: you've got more media attention like you know, earned media.

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Speaker 1: Then candidate quality and some of the crazy things they're

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Speaker 1: saying can make more of a difference. At the house level,

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Speaker 1: it's hard. It's mostly just people are voting based on

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Speaker 1: whatever the national wins are. Really doesn't matter how people

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Speaker 1: position themselves, what they're saying, et cetera, et cetera. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be tough for Abigail Spanberger,

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Speaker 1: but ultimately we'll see. I mean One of the other

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Speaker 1: races that is going to be really critical here is

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Speaker 1: the I mean there's a few of them. I actually

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Speaker 1: think the gubernatorial races. It's going to be really interesting

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Speaker 1: to see how this impacts things at the state level

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Speaker 1: because there are such clear stakes in this fight now

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Speaker 1: since it has been kicked to the state level. So Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: perfect example, you have Republicans have nominated to someone who

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Speaker 1: is extreme on everything, including abortion, you know, wants to

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Speaker 1: ban it outright in a swing state, and so far

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Speaker 1: the race has been pretty close. The Democrat Joshapiro, has

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Speaker 1: been up inside the margin by a few points, but

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Speaker 1: more or less inside the margin of error. So this

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Speaker 1: is one that you know, if it was if there

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Speaker 1: wasn't row and if Republicans had nominated someone who is

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Speaker 1: more moderate, they would probably win this seat. Now you'd

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Speaker 1: have to say that Democrats will probably win this seat.

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Speaker 1: And again the stakes are quite high, not only for

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Speaker 1: abortion but also as we've discussed on Stop the Deal insanity,

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Speaker 1: where this dude is a total nut job on those

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Speaker 1: issues as well, and would be able to appoint a

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Speaker 1: secretary of state. So I think at the gubernatorial level

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Speaker 1: you may see more of a shift towards Democrats candidate

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Speaker 1: by candidate than you see at the federal level, and

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Speaker 1: certainly at the House level, where it's hard to distinguish yourself.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting too to think about this in the Obama context,

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Speaker 1: which is, what is it a thousand state legislature seats

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Speaker 1: went Republican under Barack Obama. People really do forget this,

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Speaker 1: but the country became very red at the state level

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Speaker 1: under Obama as part of that backlash. He was always

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Speaker 1: fine in terms of getting himself elected, but for down

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Speaker 1: ballot it was kind of a disaster, both our Senate

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Speaker 1: and yes especially master for every other level of the

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Speaker 1: democraduct party. And if you consider the state legis, Republicans

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Speaker 1: do have a major advantage. They've been concentrating a lot

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Speaker 1: of their efforts there for decades now. So this actually

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Speaker 1: brings you back to the fedsock point it made yesterday.

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Speaker 1: The organizing level on that down ballot in terms of fundraising,

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Speaker 1: knowledge attention here in Washington seems very very lacking compared

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Speaker 1: to the gops. Well, and I do want to go

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Speaker 1: back to, you know, the discussion we're having about Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris and Joe Biden, and you know all, like, yes,

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Speaker 1: there are barriers to them doing everything they would or

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Speaker 1: could or should do what the base wants them to do.

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Speaker 1: But contrast their posture versus the Republican posture. Republicans didn't

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Speaker 1: look at the polling or the you know what numbers

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Speaker 1: they had at that moment in the House of the

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Speaker 1: Senator state legislation saying ah, nothing we can do. And

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Speaker 1: even now they're not saying we want nothing more we

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Speaker 1: can do. They find a way to get done what

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Speaker 1: they want to get done. Democrats have this, first of all,

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Speaker 1: they have an allergy to governing right. Second of all,

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00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,239
Speaker 1: they have and Obama's notorious for this. They have this

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Speaker 1: view of politics like it's totally static, like nothing can move,

562
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Speaker 1: minds can be arms can't be twisted, nobody's minds can

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Speaker 1: be changed. Like the votes are what the votes are,

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Speaker 1: and that's that. And you know, if we've got the

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Speaker 1: filibuster in place today, there's nothing and we can do

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Speaker 1: about it. And they have this idea that they are

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Speaker 1: completely powerless to change the dynamics of the political landscape.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, I mean, I'll give you one

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Speaker 1: example of something they could do that doesn't even have

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Speaker 1: to do with abortion. But Clarence Thomas and his Justice

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Speaker 1: Thomas and his concurring opinion said, hey, I think we

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Speaker 1: should come for marriage equality and contraception and gay intimacy. Next. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: what's stopping you Democrats from codifying gay marriage into law?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that would be a very tough vote for Republicans.

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Speaker 1: How would Republicans fall on that in the Senate? Sure?

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, so you have no idea? Yeah I

577
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: don't either, And it's very possible that you actually could

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Speaker 1: get to sixty votes for gay marriage in the Senate

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Speaker 1: because of how much the politics have shifted on that issue.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't, then you have, you know, in Stone,

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Speaker 1: where these people actually stand on an issue that they

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Speaker 1: don't really want to say anything about. So just as

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Speaker 1: one example of something that they could potentially do that

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Speaker 1: is not going to do anything about abortion, right, but

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Speaker 1: at least it will help to protect another existing right

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Speaker 1: that very much seems to be on the table now.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm not impressed with their feigned impotence,

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00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: their total lack of creativity, their unwillingness to sort of

589
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Speaker 1: rise up and meet the moment, and their constant, constant

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Speaker 1: obsession with basically finding excuses to do absolutely nothing. Well,

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Speaker 1: speaking of the national wins and more, keeping an eye

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Speaker 1: on inflation and look, it's always better to try and

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Speaker 1: connect it to something that everybody's been experience in their

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Speaker 1: daily life. So let's go ahead and pull this up

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Speaker 1: there on screen. July fourth, barbecue season is here. People

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Speaker 1: are getting ready, and the inflation index on this. We

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00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: did this in Thanksgiving and I remember being shocked to

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Speaker 1: the numbers. Then now we're talking about July fourth, Well,

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Speaker 1: the price it will be up as much as thirty

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Speaker 1: six percent. It is led by beef, but grocery costs

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Speaker 1: for the Independence Day party are rising the most since

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Speaker 1: the Farm Bureau began even tracking all of the data.

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Speaker 1: So ground beef prices are up thirty six percent. Chicken

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Speaker 1: breast has actually also gone up by an entire third.

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Speaker 1: People can expect to spend seventeen percent more on food

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Speaker 1: across the board for the barbecue, the biggest increase since

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Speaker 1: people began tracking. And in twenty twenty one, the cost

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Speaker 1: of the Independence Day cookout actually declined by about one percent,

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Speaker 1: but since then, obviously things have skyrocketed. They can't blame

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Speaker 1: this one on putin, and when you look at it,

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Speaker 1: it really is insane. So ground beef chicken both above thirty.

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Speaker 1: Pork and beans also up at thirty three percent, center

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Speaker 1: cut pork chops thirty one percent, fresh score. He's lemonade

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Speaker 1: twenty two percent? How is lemonade up twenty percent? What's happening?

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Speaker 1: Potato salad twenty percent? A hamburger bun sixteen percent, vanilla

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Speaker 1: ice cream ten percent, thirteen ounce bag of chocolate chip

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Speaker 1: cookies seven percent. Strawberries are down sixty Wow. I feel

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Speaker 1: bad for the strawberry farmers. I don't know what's going

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Speaker 1: on there. Sliced cheese is actually down thirteen I yes,

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Speaker 1: that's a I guess it's a good thing depending on

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Speaker 1: what type of cheese that you're buying. And potato chips

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Speaker 1: are relatively flat. So not sure what's going on in

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Speaker 1: the lemonade markets. I should do a deep dive into

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Speaker 1: exactly what's going on there. But I do think that

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Speaker 1: just focusing on the most basic areas of life where

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Speaker 1: stuff is getting more expensive, is something that our government lacks.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you and I have noticed with great

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Speaker 1: interest our airline segments are doing phenomenally and I was

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Speaker 1: like huh, you know, like why, like why are people

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Speaker 1: so interesting? Anytime I see something unexpected pop, I'm like, wow,

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Speaker 1: that's interesting. And I think it's because a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are flying. You know, yesterday was a TSA record

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Speaker 1: over the last two years, and like, hey, this shit

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Speaker 1: is crazy. This is crazy. The stuff is can all

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Speaker 1: the time. I saw a story of a guy who

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Speaker 1: was connecting via Europe Air Canada just canceled as a connection.

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00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: They said, oh, you have another flight two days from now,

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Speaker 1: and they're not taking phone and there's a three hour

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Speaker 1: line at the airport. That's nuts. I mean, in terms

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Speaker 1: of the disruption to daily life. People are want to

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Speaker 1: visit their parents, people are flying internationally, people are finally

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Speaker 1: going vacation for the first time. It's a total disaster.

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Speaker 1: Lots of reports about honeymoon couples who had booked travel

644
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: and they're losing one, two, three whole days in order

645
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Speaker 1: to travel. Nightmares. This is not a well ordered society.

646
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Speaker 1: And another area where I'm looking at this is cars.

647
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: Let's throw this up there on the screen. The cost

648
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: of finance a new car right now is at six

649
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month, and auto shoppers are actually gonna

650
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: have to pay even more because of the federal reserve

651
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Speaker 1: rate hike. So new car prices not only are up

652
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: thirteen percent and used car up sixteen percent according to

653
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: the latest data, but the point seventy five percent basis

654
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: pump five basis point bump is actually going to increase

655
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: the average auto loan to five percent over seventy months,

656
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: meaning that just for a basic average car, you're paying

657
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: six hundred and fifty per month. Then you consider gas.

658
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: I've already run the numbers on that. Depending on where

659
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: you live, it's anywhere between two hundred and fifty to

660
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars a month. So now you're looking at

661
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: one thousand bucks if you consider insurance depending on the

662
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: type of car, and more, let's call it two hundred

663
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Speaker 1: maybe you know, on average, depending on who you are, family,

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Speaker 1: all of it. If you have a family in here,

665
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Speaker 1: especially those, but if you're a single person. I mean,

666
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: now we're talking about twelve hundred and fifty hundred dollars

667
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: just for a basic brand new car, or even for

668
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Speaker 1: a used car. These that's a lot of bundest car

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Speaker 1: numbers are not much lower by forty six for used

670
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Speaker 1: cars versus six fifty six. Since when has that ever

671
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: happened in history? Like when terms the used car. I

672
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: tell you, look, my jeep just got into an accident,

673
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh yeah, it's going to take a

674
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: long time in order to try and fix this. There's

675
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: no parts for all of this. The bills are astronaut

676
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: luckily insurance covering it because some lady came and hit

677
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: the jeep. But look, I mean this is it's difficult

678
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: for people who are out there. Not everybody can't afford it. Also,

679
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, just drag going without a car for like

680
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: an entire month while you're waiting for it to get

681
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: fixed in the shop. Yeah, I mean impossible, especially given

682
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: the shit status of public transit in almost all of

683
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: the country, like New York is like the only exception.

684
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: I think it's really important to underscore with regards to

685
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: the cost of financing a vehicle, this is the intent,

686
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: the explicit intent of the FED lifting rates. This is

687
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: what they want, this is their goal. And again, I mean,

688
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: we've discussed this, but it's so important to underscore that

689
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: because our political system has failed and is unable to

690
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: deal with some of the other underlying issues. The supply

691
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: chain issues because you know, Biden's committed to keeping the

692
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: war in Ukraine going forever. It all falls to the FED,

693
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: and what the Fed can do and what they are

694
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: being pushed to do by Biden and by Republicans have

695
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: the same desires, is to make it much more difficult

696
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 1: for you to do things like buy a car, buy

697
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: a house, to hit your bank account. Okay, to lower

698
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: your wages. I mean they explicitly said this, to lower

699
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: your wages and to hike unemployment. We did that segment

700
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: about how Larry Summers is saying we need ten percent

701
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: unemployment for a year, ten percent casually like just like

702
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: like you're not talking about millions of people's lives and livelihoods,

703
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: and as you always rightly point out, people will literally

704
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: die because of that pain and depression from losing their livelihood.

705
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: That's this is the sign that you know, the policy

706
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: that they are trying to implement here, the goal of it,

707
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: which is to hurt you, is working. And the really

708
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: scary thing though, is that it may not even work

709
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: to get inflation under control because as I just said,

710
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: a lot of other factors that are going in and

711
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: in fact, you know, the stimulus that was given the

712
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Speaker 1: American people, which, as I pointed out to Bill Maher,

713
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: was much less than what was given to Wall Street

714
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: and corporate America. But the stimulus that was given to

715
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: working class people that's mostly burned off. I mean, we

716
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: haven't had a new stimulus program in what fifteen months,

717
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: It's been a long time. People's bank accounts are down,

718
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: credit card debt is high, as high as it has

719
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: ever been in history. So we are now dealing with

720
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: a problem that doesn't exist, and the other things that

721
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: are festering that are keeping inflation high we're doing nothing about.

722
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 1: Look again, to go back to democratic impotence here, Yes,

723
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: in certain ways they have political constraints, There's no doubt

724
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Speaker 1: about it. But just take the example of after the

725
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: stock market crash in nineteen twenty nine, Congress held a

726
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: series of hearings called the Pacora hearings, where they investigated

727
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: Wall Street to see how the hell this happened, and

728
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: lo and behold, it wasn't just how the all knowing

729
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: market and it had a hiccup whatever. There were wrongdoers

730
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: there who were intentionally fleecing regular people getting them into

731
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: the stock market. They introduced, oh you can buy this

732
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: on Markee, Just outright fleecing consumers, lying to them about

733
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: what the risks were, and then betting on the other

734
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: side is exactly the same thing that happened in the

735
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Speaker 1: housing financial and the crash there as well, where they

736
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: knew these were bad investments, They're betting on the other

737
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: side of it and screwing over the very customers that

738
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: they claimed to be serving. This all came out in

739
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: the core hearings. Guess what politics isn't static. When the

740
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: public learned the way that they had been screwed over,

741
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: there was a massive outcry for financial regulation, and some

742
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: of the bedrock financial regulation that made banking a relatively

743
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: safe and stable and boring enterprise for a lot of years,

744
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: for decades until basically the Clintons came along, was implemented

745
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: during that time because there was something exposed that was

746
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: so deeply shocking and outrageous to the public that they

747
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: would not let the politician stand by and do nothing.

748
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: Where is that energy? How, where's that energy? How to

749
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: do something about this? So even if you don't have

750
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: the votes right at the second, that doesn't mean that

751
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: you cannot do anything, that you are completely helpless, that

752
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: you can't move things forward. And especially listen, the power

753
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,959
Speaker 1: of the bully pulpit is very powerful. If you call

754
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: these you know, corporate CEOs who are intentionally hiking up

755
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: their prices because they can because their monopolies, you haul

756
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: them before Congress, you call them to account. That in

757
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: and of itself cools things down in terms of corporations

758
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: jacking up prices because they don't want to be the

759
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: next one that is the subject of a public eyro. Yeah,

760
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: nearly one third of inflation is actually expectations. So being

761
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Speaker 1: able in order to set expectations in a different direction

762
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Speaker 1: by the government, you know, either talking specifically about what

763
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: they're going to do, or calling people out or even

764
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: looking at ways in order to ease supply. I mean,

765
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: I think it's telling that it took children starving from

766
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Speaker 1: lack of baby formula for the government to invoke the DPA,

767
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: and that took months. But look, it's not as dire,

768
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: but it's still bad when people can barely afford to

769
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Speaker 1: live and to work. I mean, I'm looking at an

770
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: article that just came out this morning about all of

771
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: the macro data tells us that people are cutting back

772
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: significantly on quality of life expenses. They're pulling their kids

773
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Speaker 1: out of summer camps or not pursuing activities that they're

774
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: extracurriculous for their children. Driving less, cutting off of any

775
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Speaker 1: sort of driving, cutting down any sort of vacation that

776
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: had already been planned, eating out less. Look, you don't

777
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 1: have a right to eat out, but you know it's nice.

778
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: So for people, it eases the burden sometimes whenever you

779
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: want to. Sometimes it's fun in order to change things

780
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: up on a Saturday set. Those are the first things

781
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: in order to go for a lot of people. And

782
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: the cost of eggs, you know, even is up seventy

783
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: five percent in a year. That's crazy. You consider all

784
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: these price increases on the aggregate, and at the end

785
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: of the day, when you're looking at your credit card bill,

786
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: you know another for a thing I was going to

787
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: tell people, go and look at some of your old

788
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: Amazon purchases or past purposes from like five years ago

789
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: on basics like paper towels, and you'll be shocked at

790
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: how much more you're paying. And it's like people can

791
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: see that, they feel it viscerally. That is, if Biden

792
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: I would be talking about gas and cars and food

793
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: every single day. That's all I would spend my time on.

794
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: And yet I mean, I'm doing a whole monologue on this.

795
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Speaker 1: They're proposing it yet another inflationary move in order to

796
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Speaker 1: stick it to Russia, which is probably not even going

797
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: to work. It's I can't get my minds around these politicians.

798
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what they do all day. Yeah, I

799
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: really don't. Yeah, And they have the American people ready

800
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: to hear this message. Yes, you know about Wall Street speculation,

801
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: about corporate America an greed, and it's it's not the

802
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: whole picture, but it's a part of the picture. So

803
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: tell that story, call themto account, do something instead of

804
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: just saying, huh, what could we do? The baby formula

805
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: thing is interesting because you know, up to a point,

806
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: they were dragging their dollars, how much we can do

807
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, and then once it got to

808
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: a point, oh guess what they figured out how to

809
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: do something. Isn't that interesting? Oh? Yeah, you do almost

810
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: love to see it. Okay, let's talk about Evaldi as

811
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: you can't make some of these things out. The cops

812
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 1: have comported themselves in a nearly criminal I'll protect myself

813
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: from the lawyer's way of not, you know, moving towards

814
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: the target, taking them down, violating everything known about active

815
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: shooter protocol. All the video audio, all of the investigations

816
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: so far has borne out and looked terrible for these people.

817
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: And one of the first people to really show us

818
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Speaker 1: how feckless and terrible their response was. There was a

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Speaker 1: Valdi mom who was working on a nearby farm forty

820
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 1: minutes away, heard about the shooting, drove to the shooting,

821
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Speaker 1: was able to was put in handcuffs by police officers

822
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Speaker 1: because she wanted to rush in to go save her children.

823
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Speaker 1: Taken out of handcuffs, rushed into the building, got her children,

824
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Speaker 1: got them out, all before the police actually went and

825
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: killed the gunman. And by them, I mean border patrol

826
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Speaker 1: who basically told the ASIE commander like, hey, screw you,

827
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Speaker 1: We're going in there. We're going to kill this guy. Well,

828
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: this mother continues to be a hero because she's going

829
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: to speak out. The police threatened her and told her

830
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: not to speak out to the media. She did it anyway.

831
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Speaker 1: She is now being harassed by local police officers in

832
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Speaker 1: her town. Let's take a listen to what she talked

833
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: about with Fox San Antonio Gomez claimed she's been faced

834
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: with scrutiny from law enforcement at her own home. The

835
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: other night, we were exercising and we had a cop

836
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: parked at the corner flickering us with his headlights. Due

837
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: to incidents like this, Goma said she has separated from

838
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: her boys just so my sons don't feel like they

839
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: have to watch cops passing by stopping parking. She has

840
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: been protesting along with other community members in Uvaldi Town

841
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: Square asking for UCISD Police Chief Pete Rodondo to be fired.

842
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: Her goal now is the file lawsuits fact that he

843
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: wasn't five immediately, based upon whatever it is ours of

844
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: video from testimonies such as from Angelaue, I mean, you

845
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: had to separate yourself from your own kids, who you

846
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: had to go save. The police officers didn't save because

847
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: they're harassing you at your house, because you have the

848
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 1: audacity to speak out to the media, to tell the world,

849
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: to tell Texas how exactly they screwed up. This is

850
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: exactly what happened in the immediate aftermath. Whenever reporters tried

851
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: to come to the Uvalde City Council and ask questions,

852
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: that city council locked the doors of a public building

853
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: called the police, the same police officers, by the way,

854
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: who were involved in this thing. And the police officers

855
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: were like, hey, just so you know, you have to

856
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: get off the sidewalk otherwise we're going to arrest you

857
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: for criminal trespassing. It's like, what do you guys do?

858
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: And they all of course are like decked out on

859
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: their Gi Joe, you know, outfits while they're kicking journalists

860
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: off of this and they're big tough guys driving past

861
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: her house flashing their lights and harassing her. You can't

862
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: even make it up. And I don't know where I mean,

863
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: this is the most discreet Where are these people get off?

864
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: I can imagine? And remember she was the one who

865
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: was also they threatened her with legal action. We're speaking out,

866
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: and they threatened her she had some criminal violation from

867
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: like a decade ago. They threatened to say that this

868
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: would be a violation of her probation if she didn't

869
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: shut up and stopped talking to the media. It really

870
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: is unbelievab believable, and it is also unbelievable that Aredondo

871
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: is not fired. I mean, they gave him a leave

872
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: of absence, but really he's not how is that possible.

873
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: Everything that we've learned, it is as bad for him

874
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: as it could possibly be. And I am still not

875
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: anywhere near convinced that we know the whole of the

876
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: story yet, because they are from the governor on down

877
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: to the city council where freaking Aredondo is a member.

878
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: Now they're doing everything they can to make sure the

879
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: public doesn't get access to what actually happened on that day,

880
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: and they're hiding the body camera footage, any surveillance footage,

881
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: any records, all of it. They are trying to keep

882
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: a secret so that we as a public are not

883
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: able to actually find out for ourselves what happened on

884
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: that day. And we just have to trust whatever their

885
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: latest version of the story is, which changes on a

886
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: your daily basis. Yeah, and continually, look, we continue to

887
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: learn more. Let's throw this up there on the screen.

888
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: You know, online users on that Ubo app, the live

889
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: streaming app where this gunman spend a lot of time,

890
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: say they reported the behavior and that there was little effect.

891
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: Now I don't know if this is on app, I

892
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: don't know if this is on law enforcement. But we

893
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: remain and still have a lot of questions because you

894
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: had several users who tell news organizations then and tell

895
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: them now that he was acting like a real weirdo,

896
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: and then he would threaten other people that he would

897
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: shoot up their schools. He literally said that multiple times

898
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: on this app. I mean, was there no flag was

899
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: Did the app not tell Texas? Did the app not

900
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: tell the FBI if they did know? Do they have

901
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: that in their records? These are all great questions. I

902
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: just point to a colossal failure of leadership right now

903
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: from the state. Whoever this mom is should have Texas

904
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: Rangers posted out of her house at all times. She

905
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: should be guaranteed safety by the governor, by the Attorney general.

906
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: There should be a major investigation by the Texas state legislature,

907
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: by the tech buck sexist and attorney general. The governor

908
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: himself should guarantee to the citizens of Vivaldi that absolutely

909
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: nothing will go uncovered and there's just a cover up

910
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: to a degree which is difficult to fathom. I mean,

911
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: this mom, she is a hero, she doesn't care. Clearly,

912
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: she's like, screw you. But how many people have that luxury.

913
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: They're already threatening her. How many other teachers, moms and

914
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: others who saw things are going to be intimidated in

915
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: this community. So I can't get even the so called heroes.

916
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: Steve McCraw, that guy who came out and said, yeah,

917
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: within three minutes they could have stopped it. He's the

918
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: same guy lied to all of us the day after

919
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: the shoot. He's the same guy lied to the governor.

920
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: Why should we believe you right now you're trying to

921
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: just cover your own ass. He should be fired. Listen

922
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: unless he unless he can prove he was lied to

923
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: and that he didn't lie to all of us. Screw you,

924
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: you should go. Your head should be on the chopping

925
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: bot doo agreed, all of them agreed on the app thing.

926
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: I want you to consider this that there's a story

927
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: this morning that if you post on Facebook that you

928
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: will send people abortion pills immediately flagged and taken down immediately. Wow.

929
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: And yet on you bo apparently you can say you're

930
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: going to shoot up a school and crickets, they do,

931
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: they do nothing. I mean, listen, obviously, you know, as

932
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: a show, we are very much against social media censorship,

933
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: but when you're talking about threats of violence, that's a

934
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: different deals. Never been within the bounds of upspread No.

935
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. So I mean the fact that this

936
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: guy was routinely and users complained about him, and they

937
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: said they kept kicking you know, they kept trying to

938
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: kick him out of their groups, and he would come back.

939
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: And I think he got banned one time and he

940
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: was able to come back in on the same account.

941
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: Like this guy, there were so many red flags about

942
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: this dude carrying around a bag of dead cats, having

943
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, violent interactions with his mother, asking people around

944
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: him if they would buy him a gun before he

945
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,479
Speaker 1: even turned eighteen. There were so many red flags here

946
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: and nothing was done about it whatsoever. Unfortunately. That's that's

947
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: very correct. Okay, let's go ahead and move on. We

948
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: talk about my favorite story that we're today, Rudy Giuliani.

949
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: He doesn't disappoint. We haven't seen him in a long time.

950
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: The last time he was on the national stage, there

951
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: was makeup dribbling down from his dyed hair on his

952
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: sideburns while he was telling us all about voter fraud

953
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: America's mayor. You know, very we thought it was an

954
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: unceremonious and for his national career. But he's back. And

955
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: the reason he's back is Rudy was recently in a

956
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: Staten Island grocery store. Let's gohead and put this up

957
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: there on the screen. He says that a grocery store

958
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: worker was arrested on Sunday after hitting the former mayor

959
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: while he campaigned for his son. He had said in

960
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: an interview that the man said, you are going to

961
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: kill women. Now that sounds terrible. You know, I don't

962
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: want to see any public official get hit in public.

963
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: You know, obviously somebody who assaults anyone shit be prosecuted

964
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: to the full extent of the law. However, video of

965
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: the incident really calls into question Juliani's version of events.

966
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and watch this actual video here

967
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: we have. You can see Rudio, He's got it back

968
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: to the Canadas. Was assault. That's actually literally it For

969
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: those of you who are just watching, We're talking about

970
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: a simple tap on the back and then whoever his

971
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 1: associate is is there rubbing it. He Now he's sending

972
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: his security goons kind of after him. Now, I don't

973
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: think you should touch people in public, but I'm about

974
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: as one to one thousandth as I guess notorious as Rudy,

975
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: and I've had much worse interactions in public with people,

976
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: and guess what, that's not assault. Okay, some people are

977
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: weird and you're a public person, and guess what. He's

978
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: probably been doing with that for forty years. But he

979
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: has gone as far crystal to say it felt like

980
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: a shot. It felt like a shot in the back.

981
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: It said it hit him like a boulder. Nearly not

982
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: He actually said he if he won, isn't in such

983
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: great shape. He might have died. This is serious. I

984
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: met Rudy and let's just say he's not the best shape.

985
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: That's right. So he was actually to this credit over

986
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: at new News Max, even Greg Kelly, you know, the maga.

987
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm gonna be honest, man, this doesn't

988
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: look that bad. Let's take a listen to that. I

989
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: gotta be honest, it doesn't look that bad. But I

990
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: I understand that looks to be deceived. You know that

991
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 1: that was That was the woman who was rubbing my back,

992
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: not the guy who in it that you watch him.

993
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: So the woman, that woman, uh gave a statement to

994
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: the police that the guy hit me so hard that

995
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: she herself almost fell from the reverberation of it. She's

996
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: a city worker. There's a second grade detective. That that's

997
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: that's the lady who helped me. All right, good now

998
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: that makes sense. So you know, Deliani is standing by it.

999
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: Even Newsmax is like, come on, dude, day on the back,

1000
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: that's not assault. I love it about I love how

1001
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: he's like the reverberations almost down next to him. It

1002
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: was like a shot, what are you talking about? Oh

1003
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: my god, it's amazing, it's amazing. Then they charged this guy.

1004
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: Now apparently they after the video emerged, they have I

1005
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: guess lessened the charges, but he's still. Look, I think

1006
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: he should probably be fired. I mean, you know, I

1007
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: don't think you should be touching the customers like this

1008
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 1: if I was a business, you know, making political points

1009
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: about politicians whatever. But should you be fired? I mean sorry,

1010
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: should you be taking into custody and charge charge of

1011
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: the assault? Insane? Especially in New York. You guys don't

1012
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: have bigger problems right now. City Come on Staten Island too.

1013
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: People are very you know, they're very malvy. That's what

1014
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: they're known for. Yes, it was Rudy. Juliani's very maldy.

1015
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 1: I've interviewed him personally. I'm sure you we did together didn't. Yeah,

1016
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: we did, and I also had to do it anyway, Yeah, yeah,

1017
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: what we were forced to do. Over the hell what

1018
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: this man Atan has? He always is? This always who

1019
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: he's been. Has he changed? People who know him and

1020
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: who worked for him say that he has changed. I

1021
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: know some people who worked for him back in When

1022
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: did you run for president? Was in two thousand and

1023
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: eight and then he was Yeah, it was two thousand

1024
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: and eight. Actually, Biden, back when he was decent on

1025
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: the stump, one of his best burns against Juliani. He

1026
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: was like, there's only three that comes to things that

1027
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: come out of Rudy Giliana's mouth noun, a verb, and

1028
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: nine to eleven straight good. I gotta give it to him.

1029
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was back whenever you could speak in

1030
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. So anyway, Biden, I remember once

1031
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: made that crack against Juliani. Juliana had very, you know,

1032
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: unceremonious career. Obviously was very popular as a mayor. But

1033
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: then things began to fade out, and then he started

1034
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: having a lot of these public antics. In my view,

1035
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: things were where things started to get crazy is he

1036
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: started his own security firm and he started working for

1037
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: all kinds of crazy foreign governments like the Kazakhs, and like, yeah,

1038
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: he would, you know, he he would. He was always

1039
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: flying abroad. This is how he got involved with the Ukrainians.

1040
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: Like he was always taking on his foreign cash through

1041
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: some like security advisory firm, making millions of dollars trading

1042
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: off of his name. And then he got hooked up

1043
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: with Roger Ayles back in twenty fifteen and he started

1044
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: working with Trump for the Trump campaign. So anyway, him

1045
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: and Trump obviously go way way back. I remember when

1046
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: Rudy was representing Trump as a lawyer on television. Yeah,

1047
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: it was like right during the Mula report mass all

1048
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, just very that's honestypathetic, Yeah, it really is.

1049
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: I have the details about what the charges are against

1050
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: that worker. His name is Daniel Gill. He had been

1051
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: charged with second degree assault based on Rudy's characterization of

1052
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: the events. That's a felony that he could get multiple

1053
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: years in prison. Four yeah, okay. Prosecutors later reduced the

1054
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: charges to third degree assault, which is a misdemeanor, third

1055
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: degree menacing, and second degree harassment, which is still preposterous

1056
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: if you look at that video, so ridiculous situation. The

1057
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: reason Juliani is kind of out and about right now

1058
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: is his son is actually running for governor of New

1059
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: York in the Republican primary, which I think is coming

1060
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: up here pretty pretty soon. I have no idea what

1061
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: his chances are in the Republican primary. I think, isn't he.

1062
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: I think he was doing pretty well in the primary,

1063
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: wasn't he. I believe his son is doing well in

1064
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: the primary. But it's New York, so yeah, are you

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00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: likely to win the general election? Yet? Not so much.

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00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's why that's why he's out and out

1067
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: and about at the shop right risking his life from

1068
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, menacing supermarket workers. It's just like, what a

1069
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: pathetic thing to do. Brush it off, you know, even

1070
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: I remember when Trump got charged on the stage, and

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00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's like whatever, It's just one of those

1072
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: things where if you have a security detail, especially guy

1073
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,479
Speaker 1: taps you on the back, just like Ghet over. Again,

1074
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a good thing. Remember when Jill

1075
00:56:53,800 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: Biden and Simone Sanders like took out some o that's right, Yeah, yeah,

1076
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: that was crazy. Anyway, I'm sort of grateful for Ragiuliani

1077
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: because I have so enjoyed watching this story play out.

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00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: Fair enough, all right, we got one more for you.

1079
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: So we've been tracking with great interest what was gonna

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00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: happen with Rachel Maddow's time slot over at MSNBC, Because,

1081
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: I mean, she really is the tent pole of that network.

1082
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: She is, I think the only anchor on the network

1083
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: who really is consistently able to deliver any significant ratings.

1084
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: You know, the numbers always mump up when she's on.

1085
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: We've tracked how she took like a little hiatus and

1086
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: numbers fell off a cliff like cratered by like a

1087
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: third the second that she that she stepped off. So

1088
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: big question, as cable news enters the kind of like

1089
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: no man's land in terms of what they're doing going forward,

1090
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: who was going to fill her shoes? Well, we now

1091
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: have an answer. Go ahead and put this up on

1092
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: the screens from the New York Times. Alex Wagner is

1093
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: going to succeed Rachel Maddow at MSNBC. MSNBC's president, they say,

1094
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: said Miss Wagner's experience covering politics would be crucial as

1095
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: the network prepared to cover the midterm elections. Now, there's

1096
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: a few things that's interesting here. I mean, first of all,

1097
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: Alex was at MSNBC when I was at MSNBC, and

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00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: she was actually fired at the same time as I

1099
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: was fired, because they were at that point it was

1100
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: the dog days of the Obama administration. They thought, oh,

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00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: we need to shift to compete more directly with CNN.

1102
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: We've gone too far left. We've got to get these

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00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: opinion people out of here, so we need to bring

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00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: in like Chuck Todd and the NBC news personalities to

1105
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: write the ship. And we got to get Brian Williams

1106
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: and then back in the Ancher chair and all that stuff.

1107
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: So she was part of that. Now she is being

1108
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: brought back, and she's been filling in as like a

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00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: sort of substitute host at a time when I think again,

1110
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: they're trying to make that same move, because it's at

1111
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: a similar time where you know, Trump's gone, ratings are down,

1112
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: and there's CNN is doing the same sort of reset

1113
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: of all, we got to re establish ourselves as like

1114
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: the credible journalists. And so what they said here about

1115
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: Alex Rashida Jones, who's the president of NBC or MSNBC,

1116
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember what her title is She says, this

1117
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: is not a show where our hair's on fire and

1118
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: we're yelling past each other and we're creating these manufactured moms' attention.

1119
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: I really want to take away from the show to

1120
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: be a better understanding of what's happening in the world.

1121
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: She also said to Vanity Fair, I'm not looking for

1122
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: someone to come in and mimic Rachel's performance or success,

1123
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: which is immediately like, let's set the barlow. Rachel's been

1124
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: doing this for a long time. It takes time to

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Speaker 1: build an audience. Our metric isn't Rachel's numbers or bust.

1126
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: It's more about how do we continue to add to

1127
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: the conversation, how do we get unique new voices to

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Speaker 1: add to the conversation. So basically in admission there that

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00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: Alex is not that well known, doesn't have certainly legions

1130
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: of fans, She definitely doesn't have the same poll that

1131
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: Rachel Mattow, whatever you think of her, has. Alex is

1132
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: definitely you know, I mean, she's a liberal or I

1133
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: don't know if she'd call herself progressive what, but she's

1134
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: not as sort of overtly ideological as Rachel is. So

1135
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: to put her in a primetime slot. Is it's a

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01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: kind of a nod choice, I think. But she also

1137
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: alex is very well connected. So her husband was a

1138
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: White House chef to Obama who became very they became

1139
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: very close to the Obamas. Interesting, so it never hurts

1140
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: to have a lot of political connections when you're trying

1141
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: to get these kind of jobs out. Who wants to

1142
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: better first interview is going to be Michelle I know,

1143
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: we all know it. She'll get definitely one of the

1144
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: Obamas will be on the first show. I would be

1145
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: my prediction. And she starts August sixteenth. By the way,

1146
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Look, there's so much to say in terms

1147
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: of lack of talent, in terms of how they're marketing it.

1148
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: They're like, she's the first Asian who cares. Okay, nobody cares.

1149
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: Are you good or not? And by all metrics the

1150
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: answer seems to be no. I mean, look, I've said

1151
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: before my own personal experience, she was incredibly rude in

1152
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: the White House Press Corps, thinking that her show The

1153
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: Circus was more important than all of the rest of

1154
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: us who are showing up to do our jobs the

1155
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: circus on showtime to be clear, which you know, you

1156
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: can say what you want about the quality of that

1157
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: program and of some of the people who appear on

1158
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: it and with regularity, and how exactly they're doing in

1159
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: the media business in general. I just look at this

1160
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: as a complete dud. So, you know, even the coverage

1161
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: of her announcement, there was no major fanfare. I mean,

1162
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: we are talking about the second most coveted slot in

1163
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: all of cable television, and the fact is is that

1164
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: it landed with almost nothing. There was no celebration and

1165
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: there's no real discussion. And the fact that that happened

1166
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: shows you that the people who are the real media

1167
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: critics who know enough to say, this is a terrible choice.

1168
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: This is bad for ratings. You know, even within their framework,

1169
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: this is not somebody who's going to do well. Consider

1170
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: that MSNBC's current strategy is four hours of Morning Joe

1171
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: in the morning, four hours. That's the only thing they

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01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: have going for them. They also have to admit that

1173
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: Peacock is failing from a news perspective. I'm not talking

1174
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: about the entertainment content, which is that they are constantly

1175
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: pushing both Chris Hayes, maybe Hassen and all those other

1176
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: programs on their Peacock streaming service, which by all accounts

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Speaker 1: and current indications, are not doing well at all. All

1178
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: of this just demonstrates that cable is dying, that they

1179
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: are in a very very precarious place. At the same time,

1180
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: don't underestimate how much power they have. They have an

1181
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: incredible amount of power when it comes to the political system,

1182
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: setting the conversation, keeping everybody in Washington the right people

1183
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: watch it. So to speak. I always talk about Morning Joe.

1184
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: You know, I have a walk my dog at six

1185
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: thirty am. Every television in the window is Morning Joe. More.

1186
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: Can't imagine turning that on when I first wake up,

1187
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: But hey whatever, And I think that it's important to

1188
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: understand both its power but also the divergence of the

1189
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: Internet and the business minds. Understand a couple of years

1190
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: from now, they are going to have to renegotiate their

1191
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: contracts with them, the cable carriers. That's where they make

1192
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: the vast majority of their income. And come that time,

1193
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: we are really going to see how much they're actually

1194
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: worth a real reassessment. And that is the life blind

1195
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: that is keeping this entire fake industry afloat, because it's

1196
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: a rigged oligopoly. Essentially, they don't really have to compete

1197
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: with the Internet, but a decade or so from now

1198
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: it is going to come, and yeah, really looking forward

1199
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: to that. It is fascinating too that even just from

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01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: a business perspective, they don't even consider pulling someone from

1201
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: someone who's like successful in independent media. It doesn't even

1202
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: occur to that true, you know, And so like to

1203
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: recycle Alex Wagner back in who I mean, listen, she's

1204
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: perfectly like comfortable as an anchor. You know, she's pretty

1205
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: quick on her feet, like I said, she certainly got

1206
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, access and well connected to be able to

1207
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: get big interviews and that sort of stuff. But you know,

1208
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: you could literally plug her in on any hour of

1209
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: any day, and you know, she's not she's not known

1210
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: for anything in particular. She doesn't have a follow she

1211
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 1: doesn't have a fan base, she doesn't have any sort

1212
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: of like real sort of cultural cachet or anything she's bring.

1213
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: She's just you know, she's kind of a standard issue anchor.

1214
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: So the fact that they're already saying basically like yeah,

1215
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: we don't expect her to get Rachel's numbers, it's pretty telling.

1216
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean, they just it was very clear they didn't

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01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: have anyone in house who could fill the shoes, and

1218
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: when they tried, you know, it didn't work and fell

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01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: off a cliff. So I it seems to me like

1220
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: they are going in the same direction that CNN is

1221
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: of saying, oh, we're going to be the real journalist

1222
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: now and we're going to reel it in and we're

1223
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: going to be substantive and all this stuff. Well, they

1224
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: tried last time they tried this. We know what happened.

1225
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: Trump came on the scene and whoever you know had

1226
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: the most deranged take about Russiagate or whatever, those were

1227
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: the people that got the highest ratings. And yeah, and

1228
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: so they're going to go through that same it's going

1229
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: to be that same cycle all over again with MSNBC,

1230
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: with CNN. We know how this how this movie ultimately plays.

1231
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: That's right, Crystal, what are you taking a look at, folks.

1232
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: We've got a big problem with the Supreme Court, and

1233
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: the dismantling of abortion rights is really just the beginning.

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01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: The Court has gone rogue, imposing an eye watering ideological

1235
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: agenda at breakneck speed with nothing restraining it whatsoever. The

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01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: Court of Judicial Modesty that Chief Justice Roberts supposedly attempted

1237
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: to lead is dead in that court. The goal was

1238
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: to push up against the bounds of public acceptance, notching

1239
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: conservative wins, but never completely overturning the apple cart. Any

1240
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: notion that the Court would be restrained by concerns over

1241
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: its own legitimacy. That's also history. The Road decision is

1242
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: stunningly unpopular, and of course flies in the face of

1243
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: respect for long held precedent. But the ideologus with the

1244
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: majority on this Court have an agenda and they don't

1245
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: really care about anything other than enacting it. We're actually

1246
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: still waiting on what might ultimately be the most damaging

1247
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: decision of this term. The Court is likely to block

1248
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: the Environmental Protection Agency from setting limits on carbon emissions

1249
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: pursuant to the Clean Air Act, devastating our ability to

1250
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: address the climate crisis in anything approaching way. The impact

1251
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: of the decisions of this court they're going to reverberate

1252
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: for generations, locking in corporate power, blocking new programs to

1253
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: benefit the working class, locking in dramatically unpopular culture war victories,

1254
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: as in the case of guns and abortion, and generally

1255
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: making it impossible to govern at a time when the

1256
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: country desperately needs some governing. The basic problem is this.

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Speaker 1: The idealized notion of the Supreme Court is that it

1258
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: serves as an institutional guardenion of every American's rights, a

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01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: body which is intentionally removed from the whims of the

1260
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: majority so it can more readily protect the rights of

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01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: the minority when called upon to do so. But the

1262
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: current Court does not serve this purpose at all. Instead,

1263
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: it is a political weapon of last resort for enshrining

1264
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: political victories which would not be possible at the ballot box,

1265
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: the culmination of a multi decade political project to accomplish

1266
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: exactly that. Conservatives have lost the public debate on guns

1267
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: and abortion, and climate and unions and gay rights, but

1268
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: with control of the Court they can still wield immense

1269
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: power on all all of those issues. Public will be damned.

1270
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: Now add to this picture the anti democratic nature of

1271
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: the Senate via rural state power, the House via jerrymandering,

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Speaker 1: the electoral College via just sheer bizarre stupidity, and state

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Speaker 1: houses also via jerrymandering and disproportionate rural power, and you

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Speaker 1: do have a real crisis of democracy on your hands.

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Speaker 1: And the Court's problems are much deeper than this moment. However,

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Speaker 1: in fact, the Court's current regressive and reactionary posture is

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Speaker 1: really quite consistent with how its behave for much of

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Speaker 1: its history. At multiple times in American history, presidents have

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Speaker 1: been forced to check the Court's power through threats, or

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Speaker 1: by reforming the court, or just by straight up ignoring

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Speaker 1: their terrible rulings in order to restore some balance to

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Speaker 1: our democracy. Without periodically beating back the power of the court,

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Speaker 1: unaccountable justices routinely spin out horrendous decisions. Just think about

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Speaker 1: drud Scott, which said black people had quote no rights

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Speaker 1: which the white man was bound to respect. Or Quoramatsu,

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01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: which backed Japanese internment, plus CV. Ferguson, which ended reconstruction

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01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: and ushered in Jim Crow Citizens United, which opened the

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Speaker 1: floodgates on legalized political bribery. Or this latest decision Dobbs,

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Speaker 1: which will similarly go down in history as a black

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Speaker 1: mark on the Supreme Court. So here is a little

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01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: bit of that history. Under Abraham Lincoln, the Court was

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01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: so reactionary and racist that Lincoln literally just ignored them

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01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: in order to end slavery and uphold rights of black Americans.

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01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: Lincoln and the Republican Party outright rejected the concept of

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01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: judicial supremacy, arguing that it was ultimately up to the

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01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: American people to interpret the meaning of the Constitution and

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Speaker 1: the rights which it conferred. In his eighteen sixty inaugural address,

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01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: Lincoln declared, quote, if the policy of the government, upon

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Speaker 1: vital questions affecting the whole people is to be irrevocably

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Speaker 1: fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they

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01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: are made, the people will have ceased to be their

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01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: own rulers, having to that extent, practically resigned their government

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01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: into the hands of that eminent tribunal. According to Matt

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01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: Carpett Jacobin, Lincoln and his allies then proceeded to pack

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01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: the Court, reorganize the judiciary, and blatantly reject the Court's decisions,

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01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: passing laws in direct contradiction to drud Scott and the

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01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: other pro slavery precedents which the Court had set as

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01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: carp rights. It's no accident that quote, the greatest democratic

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01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: expansion in US political history the era of emancipation and

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01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: Reconstruction demanded a direct political attack on the power of

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01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court and It's also no accident that as

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01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: the Court reasserted itself and grew in strength, the great

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01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: promise of the reconstruction era was aborted and the segregationist

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01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: Jim Crow era began, kick started by, of course, the

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01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: Court's decision and plus e v. Ferguson. FDR was similarly

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01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: forced into battle against the Court in order to confront

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01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: the crises of his time and secure some positive rights

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01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: for the American people. The nation, of course, at that

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01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: time was in danger of coming apart thanks to the

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Speaker 1: Great Depression. But FDR faced a court so dominated by

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01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: pro corporate ideologues that they struck down a New York

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01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: law limiting bakery work to ten hours per day. They argued,

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01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: I kid you not that the law violated the rights

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01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: of workers who wanted to labor. More this era, the

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01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: so called Lochner Court, named for that bakery decision, routinely

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01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: struck down FDR's New Deal legislation that conferred material support

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Speaker 1: and labor power to working class Americans. Eventually, after the

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01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: Court narrowly ruled that the federal government could regulate labor relations,

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01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: FDR effectively declared war on the Court, telling the American

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01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: people quote in effect, for justices ruled that the right

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01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: under a private contract to extra exact a pound of

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01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: flesh was more sacred than the main objectives of the

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Speaker 1: Constitution to establish an enduring nation. The Court has been

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01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:37,759
Speaker 1: acting not as a judicial body, but as a policymaking body.

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01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: We have therefore reached the point as a nation where

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01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: we must take action to save the Constitution from the

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01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: Court and the Court from itself. FDR's credible threat to

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01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: pack the Court it worked in the Game of Chicken,

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01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: the overwhelmingly popular FDR ie, setting the stage for the

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01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,520
Speaker 1: greatest era of American growth, labor power, and shared prosperity

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01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: in this country's history. We are at a similar moment now.

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01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,560
Speaker 1: Justices are behaving like kings and queens, disregarding all but

1343
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: their personal political agendas, and the American people are clamoring

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01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 1: for a Lincoln style or FDR style reckoning with the

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01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Remember, even before the dramatically unpopular overturning of Row,

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01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: the Court was already held in historically low regard. Only

1347
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,480
Speaker 1: twenty five percent of the country says they have confidence

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01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: in the Court, numbers which reflect the disgust of Democrats, Republicans,

1349
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: and independents alike. What's more, Politico actually just pulled a

1350
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: range of court reform ideas, and every single one, even

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01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 1: the supposedly radical notion of packing the court, enjoys net support.

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01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: Term limits are supported by sixty two percent and opposed

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01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: by only twenty three percent, so that's a net support

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01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: of plus thirty nine. Court packing is a plus seven

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01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: net support. Age caps plus thirty five. A judicial code

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01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: of ethics, which is insane they don't already have is

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01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: plus fifty four. Balancing the Court with equal numbers of Dems,

1358
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,759
Speaker 1: Republicans and independence is plus twenty three. I would personally

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01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: add one to that list impeach some justices. Several of

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01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 1: these justices lied under oath to the public and to

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01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: lawmakers in order to obtain their positions, knowingly hiding a

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01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 1: secret agenda from public scrutiny. Two Senators Mansion and Collins,

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01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: Democrat and Republican, have both accused Justice Kavanaugh of lying

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01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,440
Speaker 1: to them about how we would rule on rote Collins

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01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: has also accused Justice Gorsich of the same, saying in

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01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: a statement quote, this decision is inconsistent with what Justices

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01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: Gorsic and Kavanaugh said in their testimony and their meetings

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Speaker 1: with me, where they both were insistent on the importance

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01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: of supporting long standing precedents that the country has relied upon. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think everyone who believed these justices were complete fools.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean we should normalize letting justices lie

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01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: under oath in order to obtain effectively unlimited power. We

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01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: have a process in place for dealing with this kind

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01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 1: of betrayal of the public trust, and it is called impeachment. Now,

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01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 1: some of these ideas would, of course require legislation of action,

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01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: which is only possible if you get rid of the filibusters.

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01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: Someone requires supermajority, which Democrats aren't anywhere near winning, since

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01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: they love nothing more than to give up before they've

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01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: even begun. But it's also worth noting from the history

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01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 1: that in the case of FDR, it didn't even take

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01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 1: actual reform, just the credible threat in order for the

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01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: Court to get its act together. Let's learn from history,

1383
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: followed examples of Lincoln and FDR. Let's put the court

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01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: in its place in service of protecting our rights rather

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01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: standing bias uses its anti democratic nature to lock in

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01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,839
Speaker 1: rule by the powerful. Reforming the court is the first

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01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: step in retaking our democracy and making our country work

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01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: again for the majority. And Sager, I think a lot

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01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: of the corporate rulings that are about And if you

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01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a

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01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 1: premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. All right, Sager,

1392
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: are you looking in well when our country is roiled

1393
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: by abortion politics, Our president is abroad conferring with our

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01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: allies at the G seven to confront a problem. Are

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01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: saying against Russia are not working as well as they

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01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: were intended. Let's revisit this for the last time. The

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01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: emotional frenzy when the regime moved against Russia with promises

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01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: that even taking them off of the swift banking system

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01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: would destroy their economy. News item after news item about

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01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: this being banned being banned, this company was being pulled out,

1401
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 1: that company's pulling out. It was not unreasonable, given what

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01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: was promised by the West to expect that the Russian

1403
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: economy would economically collapse with its removal from the international

1404
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 1: banking system, the effective isolation of its people, and especially

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01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: the West pledge to boycott its oil. That was the

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01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: promise at the time. Right, well, look It's been several

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01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: months now, and the effective admission by the New York Times,

1408
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: even by the Biden administration and others, is that our

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01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,759
Speaker 1: strategy has been a failure. As noted many times, so far,

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01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,839
Speaker 1: Russia has posted an all time high in oil profits,

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01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 1: more than they have ever made in their history. The

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01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 1: rublet remains one of the strongest currencies of the year

1413
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: relative to others, and while the Russian economy is projected

1414
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,879
Speaker 1: to contract by eight to ten percent, the vast majority

1415
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: of that downside is hitting the Russian concent consumer, not

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01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: the Putin war machine. At the same time, as we

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01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: covered yesterday, the Russian war machine is actually doing better

1418
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: than ever. It just took a strategic city in eastern Ukraine,

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01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 1: it continues to shell major port cities, It continues its

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01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: barbaric airstrikes against Ukrainian civilian population in Kiev. All of

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01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: this is known to Western leaders, and so they're further

1422
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: pulling out the stops against Russia, banning gold exports, which

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01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: are its second largest outside of oil, and also a

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01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: new round of potential oil sanctions. There's just one catch.

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01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 1: Like the original ban, the current plan proposed by Biden

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01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: and apparently agreed to by the G seven is perhaps

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01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: one of the dumbest ever conceived. Biden and Treasury Secretary

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01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: Janet Yellen are proposing a price cap on Russian oil

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01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: to hamstring their exports. Now, in effect, they are trying

1430
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: to form a buyer's kartel dictating the price of oil

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01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: that they and others will continue to pay for oil

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01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 1: to try and deny Putin excess profits that the boycott

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01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: is producing. There's one problem. A reason Putin is raking

1434
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: billions of oil profits in is because of the dynamics

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01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: of a global oil market. Just because the West buys

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01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 1: less oil doesn't matter. The Chinese and the Indians are

1437
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: of course buying Russian oil at a discount and still

1438
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: at a higher price though than before. Meanwhile, the West

1439
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: is paying all time highs for gas with no end

1440
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: in sight. The current Biden plan is as follows. The

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01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: West will set a maximum cap on Russian oil. Now,

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01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,160
Speaker 1: that sounds really nice, but how to supply and demand work.

1443
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,640
Speaker 1: If we are the only ones willing to pay X

1444
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: and they can get a higher price from why, well

1445
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 1: they're going to sell it to why So to try

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01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: and circumvent that, they are envisioning a world where the

1447
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 1: West can guarantee a cheaper price of oil than the

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01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: Russians at the discounted rate for the Chinese and the

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01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 1: Indians to buy. One problem though, as we're all finding out,

1450
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 1: there is only a finite amount of oil for us

1451
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: all to consume with our current infrastructure. Yes, we could

1452
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: pump all day with refinery capacity in the West where

1453
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 1: it is, and the inability Europeans and others to plan

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01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 1: for the future, where is this mystery oil going to

1455
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: come from? In effect, here is what would happen. A

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01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 1: Russian price cap will mean we will need to make

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01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: more of our oil supply available to the Chinese and

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01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,480
Speaker 1: the Indians at a lower price for them. In economics,

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01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 1: there is no such thing as a free lunch. The

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01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: person who is paying for that lunch will be you, me,

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01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: and the rest of the West. It really does not

1462
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 1: take a genius to figure this out, which is why

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01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: the global price of oil went up on the proposal

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01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: of this plan. In fact, if China and India need

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01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: to replace their oil with Russian oil on the current supply,

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01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: it will spike the barrel price to two hundred dollars

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01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: a barrel. Right now, it's at one hundred and twelve.

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01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: Imagine what that means at the pump. We're talking about

1469
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: seven dollars a gallon nationally here in the United States,

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01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 1: all predicated on the idea this will even be agreed

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01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: to by the Chinese and the Indians. In the case

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01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: of the Chinese, they're not doing it just to make

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01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: a tidy profit, also to stick it to the West

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01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: and support the Russian effort. The bottom line is this,

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01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 1: a price cap will only work if you have total

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01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: control over supply and demand. We have neither. This is

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01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: a half ass measure which will only certainly increase the

1478
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 1: price of oil for us here at home, and the

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01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: Russians would then probably still find a way to make money. Look.

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Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to sanctions or tariffs or any other

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01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: proposals as long as they actually work. But the current

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Speaker 1: sanctions are hurting our people much more than they're hurting

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Speaker 1: the Russian war machine, who are actually winning on the

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Speaker 1: battlefield right now. Even this so called default by Russia

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01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: that you're reading about on its debt, read the fine print, people.

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01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:33,600
Speaker 1: Russia has plenty of money to pay its debts. We

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01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 1: just cut them off on their ability to pay them.

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01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 1: It's not a true default. If it was a true default,

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01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: investors was actually be able to sue the government in

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01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 1: English or US courts. But legally and lawyers are looking

1491
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: at this right now, they're in a tricky spot because

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01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: Russia could prove in court it has the means to pay.

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01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 1: Even the effect of the default won't be as monumental

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01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 1: when they last actually defaulted on their debt in nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighteen after the Bullshriek Revolution. The simple truth in oil

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Speaker 1: is that, just like the situation with Iran and Venezuela,

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01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 1: there is only so much you can do to minimize

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01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,480
Speaker 1: its use on the global market when it's a commodity

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01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: that everyone on Earth uses. Iran has been in the

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01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: oil business since nineteen seventy nine. They're doing fine. Yes,

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01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 1: their people are suffering. The Venezuelans are suffering too, but

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01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 1: their regime is also fine because of oil. That's how

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01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: it goes. We can accept that oil sanctions will have

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01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 1: a marginal impact at best, or we can keep throwing

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01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,919
Speaker 1: everything at the wall and increase the pain and suffering

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01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 1: here at home. Maybe I'm callous, but how much longer

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01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: should Americans pay five dollars a gallon or potentially more

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01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: to secure the integrity of eastern Ukraine. Seriously, how many

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01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 1: square miles of territory is worth one more month or

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01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 1: one more year of suffering for all of us? Someone

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01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: should explain this to us in very clear terms as

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01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 1: to why it is worth tremendous economic pain and more,

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01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: not only to the consumer, but to all of the

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01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 1: regular inputs that oil prices increase, which increase overall inflation

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01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 1: in what is already looking like a recessionary economy. Biden

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01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: and the World West handling of this crisis so far

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01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: has meant sanctioning of our citizens, the reversion of European

1518
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: countries to coal fired power plants, all to ensure political

1519
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 1: ends which are not working. This strategy has been a disaster.

1520
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: It is time to try something different. We need to

1521
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: change our incentive structure for the Ukrainians and the Russians

1522
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: to bring an end to this conflict and bring back

1523
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: Russian oil online to the global market. If we don't,

1524
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 1: we're in for a world of hurt. Sadly, that is

1525
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: exactly where the system is headed for right now. I mean,

1526
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: it really doesn't take a genius. You know, I'm reading

1527
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 1: this thing. I'm like oh global price cap and if

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01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: you want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue, become

1529
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com. Joining us

1530
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: now is Tara Palmery of Puck News, But for our purposes,

1531
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 1: friend of the show, who's done some great work on

1532
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and more, has a very interesting new documentary

1533
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: out for Discovery Plus. It's titled Doctor Delirium and the

1534
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: Edgewood Experiments. Let's take a listen to the preview, and

1535
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: then Tara, let's talk all about it. You feel the

1536
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:09,600
Speaker 1: effects of the agent he was Movie Delirium was produced experimentally.

1537
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: They had no idea what the drug was going to

1538
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: do to us, to just move the monkey out of

1539
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: the way and put me in there behind it. The

1540
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: mission was to find a drug that would produce incapacitation.

1541
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: We had millions of dollars to work with, and I

1542
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: built the program around that next question, the effects of

1543
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: a psychochemical become a parent. We brought over Nazi chemists

1544
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 1: to work in our labs. They had to do what

1545
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: they were told. I could either all I heard the

1546
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: doctors that were standing around turn it off, turn it off,

1547
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:04,440
Speaker 1: because I was taken too much. Look, I've got regrets

1548
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: about a number of things I've done that would not

1549
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: apply to the work I did at EDGE. I thought

1550
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: I did a pretty good job with that. Very interesting, DEARA,

1551
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 1: So tell us why did you gravitate towards the story?

1552
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: How would you get interested in it? And then how

1553
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 1: did the documentary kind of come to be? Right? So

1554
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: this is just like a horrifying piece of our history

1555
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: using human beings, young servicemen as essentially human guinea pigs. Right.

1556
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,520
Speaker 1: This was during the Cold War, and America was desperate

1557
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: to get ahead of Russia in terms of its warfare,

1558
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: and they believed that mind control and chemical warfare was

1559
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: the future. So Edgwood Arsenal, which is right outside of DC,

1560
01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: it's our premier chemical testing site. They would sort of

1561
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 1: lure these young servicemen, either taking some time off from Vietnam,

1562
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: where many of them served, or just away from their

1563
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 1: regular duties to come for a few months and be

1564
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 1: tested on. They had to sign all these documents, these

1565
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: do doc these classified documents. They can never speak about.

1566
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 1: It was a secrecy oath for so many years, and

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01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: they were just put in gas chambers, gas masks, they

1568
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: were not testing on them like you know chemicals like

1569
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:33,759
Speaker 1: you know agent orange or Sarah. They were testing things

1570
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: to see if they could change their brains, they could

1571
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 1: change their minds. And these were not like this wasn't

1572
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 1: like LSD or mushrooms or drug that's enjoyable. They were

1573
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: trying b Z, which is like even street druggies don't

1574
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: want this drug. Like it's just not an enjoyable trip.

1575
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:53,759
Speaker 1: It's like one of the worst trips of your life.

1576
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: And the remarkable thing to me is that for so

1577
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:59,719
Speaker 1: many years the military just brushed these guys under the rugs.

1578
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: They denied their VA complaints. They said they basically said

1579
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 1: they were crazy. They couldn't speak up about it because

1580
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: they signed secretcy oaths. And you know, now they're adults,

1581
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 1: their their grown men at the end of their career,

1582
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: and they just want some recognition for what they did.

1583
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: And this was really like at the height of the

1584
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 1: CIA Sydney Gottlieb, you know, period of time with like

1585
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: Project Climax, when they were uh, you know, drugging John's

1586
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 1: with LSD, and there was a lot of experimentation going on.

1587
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 1: In fact, like LSD was brought to this country by

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01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 1: the Cia, and these were just like good country boys

1589
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: in their twenties who didn't know that they were in

1590
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 1: for the trip of their life. And they still, some

1591
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: of them say they wake up in the middle of

1592
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:47,759
Speaker 1: the night with nightmares. They still can't get past those months,

1593
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 1: those the hayes that they experienced. And then the worst

1594
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: part about all that, Sorry, and I don't mean to

1595
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 1: go too much into it, but the worst part about

1596
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 1: it at that time in the Cold War, after we

1597
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: tried these Nazi doctors, the Nuremberg tried, there was a fight.

1598
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 1: It's called Project paper Clip because it was a paper

1599
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 1: clip in their visa to get them on our side

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01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: as chemical scientists. And so many of these Nazi doctors

1601
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: at Nuremberg. When you see this in the documentary, we're

1602
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 1: actually brought over from Germany to conduct test studies on

1603
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: our own soldiers. It's just so it's an incredibly horrifying

1604
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 1: story and abuse of power. And they kept these seven

1605
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: thousand young servicemen quiet because they made them sign secrecy

1606
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 1: oaths that were literally in effect until the late eighties. Wow,

1607
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 1: how long was this going on and how did the

1608
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 1: public catch wind of it? Twenty years and it was

1609
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: amazing there ended up being some hearings, and it was

1610
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 1: mainly about the CIA and what Sydney Gottlieb was doing,

1611
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:45,719
Speaker 1: just drugging everyone with LSD. One of the main test subjects,

1612
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: which you learned about in the documentary, ends up killing

1613
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: himself and his wife. The effects, the psychological effects of

1614
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: these drugs were unreal. They did no follow up, Like

1615
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: if you were signing up to be a you know,

1616
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: for a clinical trial, well you would expect follow up, right,

1617
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: especially when it's the government, And they didn't follow these

1618
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 1: people at all, and their lives became so derailed. And

1619
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 1: I think that's one of our most heartbreaking parts of this.

1620
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 1: And they just sued the government recently, and I believe

1621
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 1: that there are still some questions about how they'll be compensated,

1622
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: but mainly they just want some sort of recognition. They

1623
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 1: want to be recognized as test vets. That sadly for them,

1624
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 1: the chemicals that they used are not really are not

1625
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: using are not using warfare. So they feel a bit

1626
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 1: like this twenty year period of time where they offered

1627
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 1: their bodies out basically right, so it's kind of not

1628
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: let's get let's stick on that then, So have they

1629
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: not received any compensation from the VA. Have any congressman,

1630
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 1: is anybody speaking up on their behalf or go ahead?

1631
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 1: We're still working on that right now. Actually it's they

1632
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: still haven't gotten proper recognition. You know. They're working with

1633
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: Congress right now to just at least big knowledge their

1634
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: VA benefits are still in question. It's really sad that

1635
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: they have to spend the last years of their life

1636
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 1: fighting for VA benefits, right. I think they would also

1637
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 1: like to be compensated in addition to that, I mean,

1638
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: a lot of them had problems holding down jobs, keeping relationships.

1639
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 1: They cite like divorces, nervous breakdowns, And the worst part

1640
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 1: about it was that they couldn't go to their doctors

1641
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 1: and say, hey, when I was in my twenties, I

1642
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: was used as part of these experiments. And by the way,

1643
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: the video and the documentary is all classified footage of

1644
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 1: the experiments. May we actually have some of the test

1645
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 1: bets watch the experiments from when they were younger. They're

1646
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: classified videos that are now seen for the first time,

1647
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: and it is chilling and you can just I mean

1648
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: every single one of them broke down into tears seeing

1649
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 1: themselves being manipulated in views like that, just as wildly,

1650
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 1: so wildly on ethical. Yeah, there's still so much to

1651
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: be done. And I know this was happening from the

1652
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties to nineteen seventies. You know, there were the

1653
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 1: CIA was out of control then under the guise of

1654
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 1: the Cold War, and we've seen stories about it, but

1655
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: it's never really been connected to the military and how

1656
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: they too took advantage of so many you know, in

1657
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 1: this race for arms, and how they really haven't been

1658
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: held accountable for it. Do you think something like this

1659
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 1: could happen today? Because I think that's the bigger question is,

1660
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 1: as you said, this is you know, a horrifying story,

1661
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: massive abuse of power, massive cover up, kept secret for

1662
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: decades and decades only revealed under pressure. Those who were

1663
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 1: subjected to this Nazi drug experimentation still fighting for benefits.

1664
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean, do we have safeguards in place so that

1665
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 1: we could be assured that something this horrific wouldn't happen again?

1666
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 1: That's a really good question, Crystal, And in fact, like

1667
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:45,719
Speaker 1: there are still there's I mean, that's part of our military.

1668
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 1: It's to constantly be experimenting, right. So many of these

1669
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: camps are known for their kind of experimentations. We're in

1670
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: the process right now creating like post PTSD super soldiers,

1671
01:28:56,080 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: right or creating soldiers that have like implantation in their

1672
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 1: brains to make them the perfect shot or to be

1673
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 1: able to not even have to use their hands or

1674
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:09,600
Speaker 1: their bodies to be you know, literal like machines, like

1675
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: military machines. And this is happening right now, and there's

1676
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 1: always going to be that ethical line, and there's going

1677
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 1: to be the push to cross it, right, And that's

1678
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 1: just part of like the arms race. It's just like

1679
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: something that so much of that work is classified, and

1680
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: that's why it's hard. And I just hope that through

1681
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 1: knowing what happened with the Edgewood experiments, that we can

1682
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: prevent something like this from happening again, and that there

1683
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: are safeguards and that these people aren't sworn to secrecy

1684
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 1: oaths for their entire lives. But it's absolutely still happening again.

1685
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 1: It is just a fact of modern warfare. Yeah, well, Tarah,

1686
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,799
Speaker 1: thank you so much for highlighting this. I've always respected

1687
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: your ability to highlight stories, you know, from this to

1688
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and Moore, I encourage everybody to go check

1689
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 1: out the documentary and to check out your work. We're

1690
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: subscribe Puck News subscribers here over at breaking points, so

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for joining us. Appreciate it absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Premium subs. Keep selling those tickets. You're doing a great job.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We deeply, deeply appreciate it. The

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Speaker 1: pre sale is going to continue up until Thursday, so

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Speaker 1: you guys get the first access to all of those.

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Speaker 1: If you want our early access to the tickets, go

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Speaker 1: ahead and sign up. Yeah, it's been fun, Crystal. We're

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Speaker 1: watching the numbers take up. We're proving to the world,

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Speaker 1: to the industry. BP cam sell tickets. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: we'll see you guys on Thursday. Love you guys, See

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Speaker 1: you here Thursday.