1 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Well, good evening, y'all. I tell you what, y'all better 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: hang on because tonight we're gonna have a conversation and 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: it's gonna have a little bit of fireworks for me, 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: because I am disgusted, I'm fed up, and I'm gonna 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: say it. I try to always be glass half full. 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: I try to be positive. I try to champion, but 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: right is right and sometimes you've got to call it 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: what it is. And that's what I'm gonna do today. 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: So tonight, please help me. Welcome back to Zone seven, 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: Bill and Kristin. How are you because we've had another 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: connection to the Colonial Parkway. 12 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: We're doing pretty good, Max, Thank you for having us. 13 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: We appreciate being on Sunday seven as always. 14 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: Are you kidding? It's our honor? And I tell you 15 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm wearing I'm my badass bracelet right now that you 16 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: gave me a crime con and I appreciate you and 17 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: Bill like you know. You and I have had so 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: many conversations, and I just want to remind everybody that 19 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: I've worked with thousands of victim shall never ever have 20 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: I worked with somebody that said, what would you do? 21 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,639 Speaker 1: And I gave him a few things and within thirty 22 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: minutes they were doing it. Ever, Bill Thomas don't let 23 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: no grass grow under his feet. And then he hooks 24 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: up with this sidekick, and I think she catapulted him 25 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: into a whole universe that he wasn't expecting to happen. 26 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: But together, if you've ever had an opportunity to listen 27 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: to mind of a murder, they just work. They just fit, 28 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: and they compliment each other and they utilize their strengths. 29 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: And I just wanted to tell you it's a beautiful friendship. 30 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: To watk Oh. Thank you, so, Bill, tell us. 31 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: A little bit just for anybody that is brand new 32 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: about your sister Kathy. 33 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 3: Well, my sister Kathy and her girlfriend Rebecca Dowski are 34 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 3: the first two victims in the so called Colonial Parkway murders, 35 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: which happened from nineteen eighty six to nineteen eighty nine 36 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 3: in in and around Williamsburg, Virginia, where Kristin Dilly's from. 37 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 3: And my sister Kathy is one of these people. You 38 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 3: meet her, you would never forget her. She is smart 39 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 3: and funny and dynamic. She had bright red hair and 40 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 3: bright blue eyes and an expression I don't often hear 41 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: applied to anybody else but Kathy. She had a peaches 42 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 3: and cream complexion, is the way it's been described. But 43 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: at the same time, she wasn't a girly girl. She 44 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: was incredibly dynamic and hardworking. She was an honor graduate 45 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 3: from our high school, Lowell High School up in Massachusetts, 46 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: and then she surprised the rest of the family by 47 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: announcing at a family dinner that she wanted to go 48 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 3: to the Naval Academy. And this was at a time 49 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: when the service academies, including Annapolis, were just permitting women 50 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: to attend and graduate from Annapolis. So Kathy was in 51 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 3: the second class with women at the United States Naval Academy. 52 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: So she's very much a pioneer. Now she's following in 53 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: my family's footsteps, our dad, Joe Thomas, who died a 54 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: few years ago, as a nineteen fifty three graduate of 55 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 3: the Naval Academy, and then our older brother, Richard, graduated 56 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy five, and then Kathy, who's six years 57 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: younger than Richard, graduated from the United States Naval Academy 58 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty one with the second group of women 59 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: to graduate from Annapolis. 60 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: Impressive and like you said, dynamic. You're not going to 61 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: forget her. 62 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: No, no, no way. She was an amazing person. She 63 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 3: was funny and smart and optimistic and incredibly hard working. 64 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 3: The reason why Kathy Thomas succeeded at everything she did 65 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: during her short twenty seven years on the planet was 66 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 3: because she worked harder than anyone you'd ever met to 67 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: see things through. So it didn't matter whether it was 68 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 3: academics in high school or at the Naval Academy or 69 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: at athletics. Again, both in high school and at Annapolis, 70 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: she worked harder than anyone you ever met, and nothing 71 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: ever stopped her. She just kept going and going. 72 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: Well, that runs deep in the Thomas family. I've seen 73 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: it in you. There ain't no quit in you. I've 74 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: seen you go after things and meet people and try 75 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: things and demand things. It's been unbelievable. And you know, Kristin, 76 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 1: when y'all teamed up, y'all hit it on a level 77 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: I have not seen. But you helped, Bill, I think, 78 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: tremendously make sure that people one knew about the Colonial 79 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: Parkway murders because a lot of people had never heard 80 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: of it. And then you made sure that not only 81 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: did y'all hit the media and podcasts and magazines and TV. 82 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: But y'all started a podcast. 83 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 2: You know, I have Bill to think for encouraging me 84 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: to step out of my comfort zone and do way podcast. 85 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: It is not the middle of life second job that 86 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: I ever thought I would have, And I'm assuming both 87 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 2: of you probably feel the same way, because podcasting kind 88 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: of snuck up on all of us. But you know, 89 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: I have Bill to thank for the bounty that I 90 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: have me, the wonderful friends that I've made, and the 91 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: difference that I feel I can make in this case. 92 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: And it has been, you know, not just a pleasure, 93 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: but an honor to be able to, you know, serve 94 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: the families in this case this way with Bill, it's 95 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 2: been I think, probably the most excellent thing that I've 96 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: done with my life so far. And I do think 97 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: that our partnership, like on the surface, it doesn't seem 98 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: like a woman in her forties and a gentleman of 99 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: a certain age. I won't spill your age. Bill should 100 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 2: get along as well as we do and work as 101 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: well as we do. But you know, I consider Bill 102 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: one of my closest friends. I talk to him almost 103 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: every day, and there's nothing that we don't share, and 104 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 2: so I think our partnership works really well. And you know, 105 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to be able to help these families and 106 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,679 Speaker 2: move this case forward. However, I can well. 107 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: Y'all done that in the case did get some traction. 108 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: So a person of interest was named in some of 109 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: the murders of the Colonial Parkway. Tell us about that. 110 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: When this name came out, y'all get a call. It's 111 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: not connected to Kathy yet, but this person comes up. 112 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: They were able to connect them to some of the murders. 113 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: Tell us about that. 114 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: Hot me to jump in here. 115 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, Bell, I think you're best suited to 116 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: do this part. 117 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: Okay. So, a couple of months before the announcement was 118 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 3: made public, we had heard from sources inside the investigation 119 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: that the Virginia State Police, who handle two of the 120 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: double homicides in the Colonial Parkway murders, together with the FBI, 121 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: but the FBI appeared to be taking a secondary role. 122 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: They handle two other double homicides in the Colonial Parkway murders. 123 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 3: So we're talking about eight young peoples so far, and 124 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: there's more being added as we speak. We got the 125 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: advanced word that they were looking at two men, one 126 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 3: deceased one still alive at that time, who were watermen 127 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: who lived up in Lancaster County, Virginia, which is about 128 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 3: an hour and a half north of the area we 129 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: associate with the Colonial Parkway murders, which is closer to Williamsburg. Now, 130 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: as soon as they started telling us what they knew 131 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 3: about these two potential suspects, my alarm bells started going 132 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 3: off because as soon as they said two watermen from 133 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 3: Lancaster County, Virginia, I said, wait a minute. These two 134 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: guys were questioned in nineteen eighty eight, two years after 135 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: my sister Kathy and Rebecca Dowski died, and right in 136 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: the middle of the Colonial Parkway murders. So although I 137 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: never knew their names, remembered my father talking to me 138 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: about this in nineteen eighty eight about two watermen from 139 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 3: Lancaster County. So what developed then was in January twenty 140 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 3: twenty four, the Virginia State Police, along with the FBI 141 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: and the Hampton Police Department, announced that a waterman named 142 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 3: Alan Wade Wilmer, Senior, had been identified as the offender 143 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 3: in one of the Colonial Parkway murders. And that's the 144 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven murder of Robin Edwards and David Knobley. 145 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 3: And they also linked Wilmer via DNA to the murder 146 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: of a woman we were not familiar with at that time. 147 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: Her name was Teresa Lynn Spa Howell. We'll call her 148 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 3: Teresa Howell for short. So now there's a third victim 149 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 3: who was not considered part of the Colonial Parkway murder. 150 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 3: So all of this was announced in January twenty twenty four, 151 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: So coming up on two years ago now. 152 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: And Kristen, Now there's a new connection. What is the 153 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: new connection? 154 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, in about mid November, we received some information that 155 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: the Virginia State Police was going to announce in a 156 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: press conference that they had linked lurry Ann Powell. And 157 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: that is a name that we had heard before. I'll 158 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 2: explain that connection in a second to Alan Wade Wilmer 159 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 2: Senior via DNA. And now alarm bells, as Bill said earlier, 160 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: went off for both of us because Lory Anne Powell 161 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: is a name that we are both familiar with for 162 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: many years, the amount of time that Bill and I 163 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 2: have worked together, we've considered the murders of Loriann Powell 164 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: and Brian Pettinger, which bookend, the Robin Edwards and David 165 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 2: Noveling case and the Keith Colin Cassandra Haley case. We've 166 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: always considered them to potentially be a part of the 167 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 2: colonial Parkway murders. I termed the phrase Parkway adjacent cases, 168 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: and we have always wondered and speculated on the podcast, 169 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: could these two cases be, you know, done by the 170 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: same person. Could they be connected to the cases? 171 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: But she made great points not only are they bookend, 172 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: you're talking about tom location method. 173 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, exactly exactly. And so we got confirmation that 174 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: Laurienne Powell had been linked to Wilmer via DNA, and 175 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: it would turn out later that that DNA came from 176 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: a sexual assault kit that had been taken on Laurie 177 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 2: and that was the first that any of us had 178 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: heard that she had been sexually assaulted. So now we 179 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: have four victims that are positively linked to Alan Wade 180 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: Wilmer Senior. And that also brings our victim count from 181 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 2: eight the four original double homicides, to ten, because now 182 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: we have Terry Howell and Lauria and Powell. So the 183 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 2: question now becomes with four people positively linked to Wilmer 184 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: via DNA, when are we going to get answers on 185 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 2: how many of the other Colonial Parkway murders cases are 186 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: linked to him and how many other potential victims are 187 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: out there? Because Bill and I both think he has 188 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: many more victims than you have even begun to be 189 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: accounted for. 190 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: And I join you in that. I've said from day one, 191 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: you're looking at double digits. So here's the deal. I'm 192 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: going to start with something positive. This is great police 193 00:12:55,559 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: for They didn't get the first two victims and just 194 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: let their foot off the gas. They didn't say, hey, 195 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: we've identified this person, We've put his name out there. 196 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: Great job. We're going to move on to something else. 197 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: I think that's fantastic. I think that's exactly what should happen. 198 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: You work it until you can connect every single victim 199 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: that you possibly can. Agreed, Agreed, Here comes my negative. 200 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: Why in the world is Wilmer's DNA not in Codis? 201 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: Y'all heard me, y'all heard me. I hope nobody just 202 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: ran their car off the road. Wilmer's DNA is not 203 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: in Codis. Now we know we have a sexual assault victim, Bill, 204 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: We know nobody rapes one time. We know that. Why 205 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: would they not insist that he go into Cotis when 206 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: all these rape kits are being put into Cotis. 207 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: Well, here's the story as we understand it, and we're 208 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 3: not saying we accept this, but this is what we're 209 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 3: being told because Alan Wade Wilmer senior, and we want 210 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: to be careful. We always say senior because there is 211 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: an Alan Wade Wilmer Junior, his son who was a 212 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: little kid when the murders took place. But we always 213 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: differentiate because Wade the son is not the father. Because 214 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 3: Alan Wade Wilmer Senior died in December twenty seventeen of 215 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: natural causes at his home up in Lancaster, Virginia. He 216 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 3: had never been charged with a crime, so his DNA 217 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 3: is not in the CODA system. So we're being told 218 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: by law enforcement, Virginia State Police and FBI that they 219 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: cannot put Wilmer's DNA into the CODA system. We think 220 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 3: this is insane. I mean, why are we protecting the 221 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: rights of a dead serial killer over or the rights 222 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 3: of all of the families in the Colonial Park by 223 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 3: murders who've been waiting thirty six to thirty nine years 224 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 3: for answers In this case, we think this is absolutely unacceptable. Strangely, 225 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 3: the CODIS rules and REGs are created at the state level, 226 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 3: which is again something that we believe needs to be fixed. 227 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 3: We think we should have one set of standards for 228 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 3: the entire country. But right now they cannot put Wilmer's 229 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 3: DNA into CODIS. They can do a one to one comparison, 230 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 3: but that's very slow and cumbersome, and we think that 231 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 3: given how long the families have been waiting, the last 232 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 3: thing we need is slow and cumbersome. 233 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to part two. I got a 234 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: buddy and we used to laugh and joke back in 235 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: the day that the next jobs we apply for, we're 236 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: going to put you know, people down as our references, 237 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: like Michelle Obama. You're never going to get Michelle Obama 238 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: on the phone. You're not going to get to somebody 239 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: close enough to her to verify whether or not she 240 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: knows me. Right, So we're just sitting around drinking wine, 241 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: laughing like these are going to be our retirement jobs, 242 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: and we're just going to put ridiculous people that we 243 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: know obviously don't know us. But nobody can ever verify that, 244 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: because hey, Michelle's too powerful, and she's too busy and 245 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to get her. 246 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 3: It's a great idea. 247 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. So y'all look forward to those 248 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: applications when I start putting them in next year. So 249 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: here's the deal, y'all. I will openly admit that Michelle 250 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: Obama does not know me. I will admit that she 251 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: is too busy to return to an email if I 252 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: were to send her one. There is no excuse in 253 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: an FBI agent at any level not responding to a 254 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: victim's family. And I'm going to say it again, there 255 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: is no excuse if Bill Thomas reaches out to you 256 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: on the status of his sister's case. You ain't too busy, 257 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: you ain't too powerful. Your job ain't too important that 258 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:25,239 Speaker 1: you cannot respond to him. That is your job. That 259 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,239 Speaker 1: should be a requirement. So I'm going to tell you, 260 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: I think everybody listening to me should email that person 261 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: and say, hey, what's up with Kathy Thomas's case. We 262 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: should call you every day and find out what's up 263 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: with Kathy Thomas's case. You could not bother to call 264 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: Bill back. Maybe you could call the ten thousand of 265 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: us back. 266 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: I love it I think that's a great idea. 267 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately today's FBI. Now, remember we've been dealing with 268 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: the FBI, my family now for thirty nine years. We've 269 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 3: been through different administrations, different heads of the FBI. And 270 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 3: I'm not saying I would talk to the director of 271 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 3: the FBI, but we have found that generally they tried 272 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 3: to be very responsive. Kathy and Becky's case, my sister 273 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: Kathy and Rebeckadowski's case is considered a federal case because 274 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 3: their bodies were found inside the Colonial Parkway National Park, 275 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 3: and if you die inside a national park, that's considered 276 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 3: an FBI case, therefore a federal case. From the beginning, 277 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 3: this new team that took over in January are absolutely horrible. 278 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: They refuse to speak to us, and I mean literally 279 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 3: refuse to speak to us. They tell us nothing. And 280 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 3: the only commune unication we have with the FBI is 281 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 3: once a month, like clockwork, a very nice young woman 282 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 3: from Victim Services calls me to tell me she has 283 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 3: nothing to tell me. Every single month. Now, Victim Services 284 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 3: is a department that's designed to and I say this respectfully, 285 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 3: handhold victims of violent crime in cases that the FBI 286 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: is working with at this point. We don't need handholding. 287 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: We need facts, we need updates, we need status reports, 288 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 3: and we're receiving absolutely none. And we've even got this 289 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: bizarre situation now where the senior person in charge of 290 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 3: our case he refuses to give me his email address. 291 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 3: I've told him flat out I questioned his professionalism because 292 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 3: I'm not going to hold back at this point. What 293 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: do I have to lose. I'm already off the Christmas 294 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 3: card list yep, and Kristen is too, by the way. 295 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: That oh, I've been off the Christmas card list since 296 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 2: I started working with you, Palell. It's I was never 297 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 2: under any any thought that I. 298 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: Would be Well, I'm not afraid of the FBI either. 299 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: My name is Nancy Grace g R. 300 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 3: A wait a minute now. 301 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm just teasing. It's Cheryl McCollum. You know where I am. 302 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: And I'm telling you. You know, if this was a 303 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: case that they were going to be able to announce 304 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: another connection cash but Tail would tweet about it, they 305 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: would do a big press conference. Well, if it's something 306 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: you're going to take credit for, it's something you need 307 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: to respond to before you're taking credit for something. Not 308 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: communicating with the families is not acceptable, period. 309 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 3: And this is not just a Bill Thomas thing. This 310 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 3: is all of the Colonial park murders families, interestingly, and 311 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 3: I want to give credit and I'll try to be 312 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 3: like mac here and balance my negatives with some positives. 313 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 3: The Virginia State Police, who handled two of the double 314 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 3: homicides in the Colonial Parkway murders, they're kind of pressing 315 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 3: down hard on the gas, and I mean that in 316 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 3: a complimentary way. They're actually going out applying for the 317 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 3: Sexual Assault Kit initiative grants, sake grants, and getting the 318 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: money and sending out evidence in the Colonial Parkway murders 319 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 3: for independent labs. Primarily, they've been using our friends at 320 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 3: DNA Labs International down at Florida, and they're having some 321 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 3: success here. They're breaking through with really tough, difficult DNA 322 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 3: samples that are left after all these years. A number 323 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 3: of these victims were dumped in the water, and so 324 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 3: it's a very challenging older sample with sometimes degraded with seawater, 325 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 3: sometimes very small amounts of DNA left. And yet they're 326 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 3: moving this case forward with the initiatives from the Virginia 327 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 3: Department of Forensic Science and the Virginia State Police, so 328 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 3: we have to give them a lot of credit. It's 329 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 3: taking longer than I would like. I'm not generally a 330 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 3: patient person, but at the same time, they're getting results 331 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 3: which we're not seeing at all on the FBI side 332 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 3: of the Skips bill. 333 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: Are we any closer to solving Kathy's case? 334 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 3: I think we are, and I'd love Kristen to weigh into. 335 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 3: We think the fact that we're seeing some very powerful 336 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 3: patterns emerge now in these first four identified linked via 337 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 3: DNA victims. There's a lot of potential here for future progress. 338 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 3: I'll call it in the Colonial Parkway murders. 339 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,719 Speaker 1: Now, Kristen, before you weigh in, I have a question 340 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: for both of you. Kathy had hair in the palm 341 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: of her hand. Is there any way if they can't 342 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: get a full DNA profile, can they say whether or 343 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: not the hair is consistent? Can they say it's the 344 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: right color, the right texture, anything? 345 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 3: To Wilmer, Well, if they would answer our hundreds of questions, 346 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 3: I would be able to answer that question. I feel 347 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,239 Speaker 3: like an idiot that I cannot answer that question. But 348 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 3: they refuse, and they, as the FBI, refuse to give 349 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 3: us a clear concise answer as to what the status 350 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 3: is regarding the testing of the hair that was found 351 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 3: in my sister's hand at autopsy. Now, obviously that hair 352 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 3: could be Kathy's hair, it could be Becky's hair, you know, 353 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 3: two people struggling, or it could be the offender's hair. 354 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 3: But we've been asking for years for a status report 355 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 3: and they keep refusing. 356 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: Well, and there was a point in time where Bill 357 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 2: was getting four different answers on the hair. Yes there 358 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: was hair, No, there wasn't hair. There was one really 359 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 2: memorable moment in time where they said it was animal hair. 360 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 2: And it has been just trying to get them to 361 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: even acknowledge yes, there was hair definitively in her hand, 362 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: Like Bill, the last time that they talked to you, 363 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: were they even on yes, there was definitely hair. Were 364 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 2: they still on no, there isn't your imagining things? 365 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 3: You know, They've had so many different stories. I finally 366 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: blew up at one point, and my mom would not 367 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: be proud of me for this. I remember, you know, 368 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 3: just blowing up and saying, you guys on a conference call, 369 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,959 Speaker 3: you guys can't even keep your f and lie straight. 370 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 3: You've had five different stories on the hair in my 371 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 3: sister's hand. Which one is it? So you know, I 372 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 3: hesitate and people ask us all the time about the 373 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 3: hair because we've pointed out this and a number of 374 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 3: other problems in this investigation in terms of missed opportunities, 375 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 3: discarded evidence. They they burned my sister and Becky Dowski's 376 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: rape kits as medical waste eight years after they were murdered. 377 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: And I mean that literally, they burned my sister and 378 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 3: Becky's rape kits as medical waste per order of the FBI. 379 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 3: When you can't make this stuff. 380 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 1: Up right right, I mean, it's horrifying. And you know 381 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: your sister and her girlfriend were placed in the trunk 382 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: of the car. That means the killer had to have 383 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: grabbed them by their clothing in different places to get 384 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: that done. Yeah, that's when you and I first talked 385 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: about the VAT. And again the next thing I knew, 386 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: y'all here, Bill was meeting with Jerry Bradley. It was awesome, 387 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: but I'm like, lord, I just told him about him, 388 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: and now they're meeting and Bill is seeing the VAT 389 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: in action. But I don't believe either at the shoulders 390 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: or the waste of her pants or the cuffs of 391 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: her jeans that you know there's not going to be 392 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: DNA from where that person grabbed her and threw her 393 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: in the car. 394 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, without question. And both of these women, both my 395 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 3: sister Kathy and her girlfriend Becky, they're not tiny, ninety 396 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 3: five pound women. They're both very tall, very athletic. They 397 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 3: were both championship level athletes. Kathy's like five to six, 398 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty five, maybe even one hundred and 399 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 3: forty pounds depending on how much running she was doing. 400 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 3: Becky's even taller and also extremely athletic. So these are 401 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 3: not small, petite women. And you're absolutely right. To pick 402 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 3: Kathy's body up and fold her up into the hatchback 403 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 3: area of a Honda Civic required a significant amount of contact. 404 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 3: You'd have to do some sort of you know, like 405 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 3: fireman's carry or you know, cradle her dead body in 406 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 3: your arms in order to place her inside the car. 407 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 3: And they were clearly killed outside the vehicle. And Kathy 408 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 3: ends up in what we called the way back when 409 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 3: we were kids. But it's small, it's a nineteen eighty 410 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 3: Honda Civic. And then Becky's in the back seat, so 411 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 3: a significant amount of effort and physical contact would have 412 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: been required in order to move these two women from 413 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 3: outside the car where they were likely killed, to inside 414 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 3: the car where their bodies were found. 415 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: That's right, and nobody back then was thinking of DNA. 416 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: That wouldn't a factor, so they wouldn't have gloves or 417 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: any of that madness own And you know, to me again, 418 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: you're talking about no less than six different points on 419 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: both of their bodies. 420 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 3: Well, we were promised DNA results regarding the touch DNA 421 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 3: and these areas where they thought that Kathy and Becky 422 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 3: would their bodies would have made contact with the offender 423 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 3: or offenders. We were promised results well over a year ago, 424 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 3: and we still have nothing. You know, we keep asking 425 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 3: questions and I feel like an idiot when I'm talking 426 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 3: about this stuff. They just refuse to answer our questions. 427 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: Well, I'm just going to say again the fact that 428 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: Wilmer's DNA is not in codis. I can't even begin 429 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: to tell you how disgusting that is to me. And 430 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, I look at like the Amber Alert. If 431 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: we have a child that is missing, that doesn't meet 432 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: the Amber Alert qualifications, you still contact the media, You 433 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: still let surrounding agencies know this child is missing. You 434 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: put their pitch your on social media. You don't just 435 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: go well it doesn't meet amber, so oh well, No, 436 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: there's got to be a back door way to test 437 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: these rape kits against his DNA. There has to be. 438 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: We should not have to wait for legislation to be 439 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: passed for something to be done. I mean, Kristin, am 440 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: I crazy? 441 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: No you're not. You're not crazy, and I think that. 442 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: It is. 443 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 2: Bill. Look, Bill and I are happy to do this work. 444 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 2: This is something that brings both of us, I think, 445 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: a good sense of purpose. But it should not be 446 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 2: up to the families and the friends of murder victims 447 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: to push forward for legislation and for change. Again, we're 448 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 2: happy to do it because we have to do it, 449 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 2: but it shouldn't be up to us. We should not 450 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: be the ones driving this. It should be up to 451 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 2: the FBI. 452 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill don't work for the FBI. 453 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, neither of us do. Just happened to be two 454 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: loudmouth people who started a podcast. 455 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: Right, But the FBI should be working for him. 456 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. I mean, you know there's this whole concept 457 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: that the FBI is here to protect and serve, that 458 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: all police is here to protect and serve and the VSP. 459 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: You Bill said this before, and I'll go ahead and 460 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 2: reiterate it again. The VSP is doing a fantastic job 461 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: here because they, as you said earlier, Mac, they haven't 462 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 2: let off the gas. And you know, my understanding with 463 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 2: the investigative team that are working on this is that 464 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: they're going to continue to seek as many answers as possible. 465 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: But I don't know why, and maybe there is behind 466 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: the scenes, and I don't know, but I don't know 467 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: why there isn't a Alan Wade Wilmer task Force which 468 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: is calling on everybody locally and not just in Virginia, 469 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: but in DC, in Maryland, in North Carolina, even as 470 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: far as South Carolina, to say, hey, if y'all have 471 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 2: cold case, is that look like they could match him, 472 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 2: bring him forward. We need to figure out where this 473 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: guy was going. But he's got a boat. He could 474 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 2: go anywhere up the coast, down the coast. We're right 475 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: here at the Intracoastal Waterway. He could go as far 476 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 2: down as Florida. We don't know the scope of this 477 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 2: guy's crimes. There should be a task force somewhere encouraging 478 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: people bring all your stuff to us will sort it out, 479 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: but it shouldn't be up for us to make those recommendations. 480 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: And what's frustrating too, is that he had an older brother, 481 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 3: William Keith Wilmer, who went by his middle name Keith, 482 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: and he died at the end of April twenty twenty five. Now, 483 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 3: my understanding from the FBI is that he did voluntarily 484 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 3: give up his DNA, and they have the middle brother, 485 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 3: Alan Wade Wilmer Senior. They also have a younger brother 486 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 3: who's also deceased. But because the FBI is dragging its 487 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 3: feet to a point that is insane. Now we have 488 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 3: a situation where suspects are dying one after another when 489 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 3: they should be properly investigated while there's still a lot. 490 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: Well, Bill Kristin, I tell you, we all stand with y'all. 491 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: We are all going to keep champion and pushing this thing. 492 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. If anybody in the FBI is listening, 493 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: Bill ain't going nowhere. I hate to tell y'all no, 494 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: So if it were me, I would probably send him 495 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: an email. I might call him. Heck, I might knock 496 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: on the door and maybe sit on the front porch 497 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: with him. And see if you can't explain the behavior 498 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: in the past, but tell him what you're going to 499 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: do going forward. And I don't mean have a victim 500 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: advocate call him once a month to say there's nothing 501 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: new to say. 502 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: Wholeheartedly agree with that, but Bill. 503 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: And christ and I appreciate you. Bill, We're going to 504 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: stand with you and fight there's legislation or making phone 505 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: calls or you know, using our resources and our media 506 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: to help make sure people understand what's going on. And 507 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: the way that the families of the Colonial Parkway, the 508 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: way you're being treated is just unconsfortable. There's no excuse, 509 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: there's nothing they could ever say that would make that okay. 510 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 3: Well, thank you, we appreciate. 511 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: It, y'all. I'm going to end Zone seven the way 512 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: that I always do with a quote. The delays are 513 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: just unconscionable at this point. This can't take years every 514 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: single time. Bill Thomas, brother of Kathy Thomas. I'm Cheryl McCollum, 515 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: and this is Zone seven