WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Receiver Depth; Tay's Last Show

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<v Speaker 1>This He's talking Cowboys, streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Brats, Rob Phillips, and Taylor Stern. Welcome everybody into

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<v Speaker 1>the s WBC Mortgage studio. It is week three of

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<v Speaker 1>OTAs here and how are you guys doing. I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's OTA's it's media days. We've got Cowboys you on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>How's everyone. It's a busy week. It feels like a

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<v Speaker 1>regular season. All the work we got going today, it

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<v Speaker 1>does through Wednesday at least. Mickey has about as many

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<v Speaker 1>papers as he would in the regular season. Didn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like an off season to me. Not this week. Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>no game season. No. I mean, but you know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of good content too with the stuff, with the

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<v Speaker 1>access who are having with the players. Really excited about

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<v Speaker 1>the things that we're doing with Taylor, the tape and

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<v Speaker 1>I know some most Cowboys is doing some things. Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Marshall working on some things for the television side with

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<v Speaker 1>Lindsey Draper. So yeah, it's good to have these players

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<v Speaker 1>in that kind of setting that you kind of can

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<v Speaker 1>ask them a little bit different questions. I'm really. I

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<v Speaker 1>love the tale of the tape things that we're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact breaking down a play with the guys going

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<v Speaker 1>back and kind of getting an idea what they were thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought working with Jeff Heath yesterday was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fun just because of that play made in the

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<v Speaker 1>Oakland game, you know, to save it, and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what he was seeing and thinking and the goat play. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that'll be on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like Mickey said, not much for an offseason. We'll keep

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<v Speaker 1>putting that stuff out for you that it hasn't been well. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>on today's show, I want to get into what Zeke

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<v Speaker 1>said last week, what Stephen Jones said about the Zach

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<v Speaker 1>Martin situation, and then we got to hear it from

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Alexander. Mickey told you guys a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 1>ago about his ketchup test and he got asked about

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<v Speaker 1>that a little bit further. And then we'll have some

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<v Speaker 1>fun with Rob's Twitter poll of the backup quarterback, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think will always be a lively, lively, fun debated forgive. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you still have time, you do it. Yes, Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>know how to do it. I'll show you at the break.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the what's the poll? Can you can you? Can

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<v Speaker 1>you give us a little yeah chromo of the poll? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I tagged you and it tagged in it. But hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that's okay, quick, simple question. Who's going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>backup quarterback to DAC this year? Don't get into did

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<v Speaker 1>you come up with four choices? I came up with three? Three? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's all I'm going to tell you. So oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know what the third one is. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't, Yes, I do, no break? All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>getting into it last week, of course, Eze Gillett during

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<v Speaker 1>the first week, everyone was excited to see him getting

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<v Speaker 1>back out. They're excited for a full slated sixteen game season.

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<v Speaker 1>Knock on wood as we sit here today, and he

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<v Speaker 1>brought up something that I wanted to ask you guys about.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, everyone's talking about the Dak Friendly and we're

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<v Speaker 1>not getting into that. That is not what this conversation

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<v Speaker 1>is about. But yes, big deeper right there. But he

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<v Speaker 1>did say, we got a couple of new wrinkles in

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<v Speaker 1>but at the end of the day, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the Dallas Cowboys we've been the past couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years and try to establish the running game with that

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<v Speaker 1>dominant offensive line and make big plays. Obviously keyword, dominant

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<v Speaker 1>offensive line. Who is he you know, who can really

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<v Speaker 1>help him return to that? You know, Nicky's been saying

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<v Speaker 1>this all along that the problems, one of the problems

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<v Speaker 1>you had last year was the offensive line, the health

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<v Speaker 1>of the offensive line. You know, I'm I'm looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to seeing it. We've got a little taste of it

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<v Speaker 1>because of him starting as the left guard. I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward to seeing once they put on the pads what

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<v Speaker 1>they really have in Connor Williams, the youth and how yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and how he can you know, is he the guy

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<v Speaker 1>that is he the guy that can solidify that left

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<v Speaker 1>that left guard spot? Excuse me? Now, Ken as a

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<v Speaker 1>young guy, can he make you know, hard to say this,

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<v Speaker 1>but can he make Tyrant Smith better? You know? Can

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<v Speaker 1>he make Travis Frederick better? He's got that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>talent to where, you know, when you plug him in

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<v Speaker 1>a way we go. But I'm looking forward to this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to the pads, the offensive line. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to Ezekiellett putting a lot of things behind

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<v Speaker 1>him with the off the field stuff and then just

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<v Speaker 1>going out and finding ways to move this football. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you brought up Connor Williams because, as you

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<v Speaker 1>guys know, he played at Texas and his head coach

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<v Speaker 1>was Tom Herman for a year or so. But before that,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Herman was actually a Zekie Elliott's offensive coordinator. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you guys followed Zeke Elliot's college career, which I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure most football fans did, you saw how close he

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<v Speaker 1>was to the Ohio State lineman, calling them the slobs.

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<v Speaker 1>They kind of had this, you know, mutual understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>their love for each other, and you've seen Zeke do

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<v Speaker 1>that before. So I wonder how that age just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of having the same feel of what Tom Herman was

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<v Speaker 1>able to bring to them in college. Six degrees of separation.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy can help himself by playing sixteen games, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there was nothing wrong with the running game

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<v Speaker 1>last year. Even though Jonathan Cooper was playing left guard.

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<v Speaker 1>He almost rushed for a thousand yards in ten games.

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<v Speaker 1>So to me, when he was on the field, it

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<v Speaker 1>was dominant. The problem was he missed six games and

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<v Speaker 1>then they missed Tyrn Smith. So um, I mean the

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<v Speaker 1>Broncos game sticks out to me though, Well, that was

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<v Speaker 1>the second what second game of the season. Yeah, Broncos,

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<v Speaker 1>no one played well that game. It wasn't just the

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<v Speaker 1>running game, it was the entire team. It was one

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<v Speaker 1>of those games. It happens. But the rest of the season,

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<v Speaker 1>when he was on the field, he was still pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good and they still ran the ball awfully. Well. The

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<v Speaker 1>problem was the six games he missed. Yeah, I'll take

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<v Speaker 1>it one step further though, because to Bryant's point, I

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<v Speaker 1>think Connor Williams I'm I'm bullish on him. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like he can get this thing back solidified, and not

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<v Speaker 1>just the left guard position. It allows le Collins potentially

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<v Speaker 1>to stay at right tackle, where I thought he had

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<v Speaker 1>a solid season, got better as the season went along.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you bring in a guy with Super Bowl experience,

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<v Speaker 1>Cameron Fleming, who can be your swing tackle. And then

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<v Speaker 1>that's the domino effect where if Tyrn Smith does miss

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<v Speaker 1>some time, here's a guy with a little more experience,

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<v Speaker 1>a little better track record as a swing tackle candidate.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I agree with that, But you're hoping Cameron

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<v Speaker 1>Fleming doesn't have to play? No, absolutely no, But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sit there on paper, I feel better about that situation

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<v Speaker 1>than I did. Absolutely, but Williams helps that by being here,

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<v Speaker 1>so dos Paul Alexander. He said to me, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>I've gone to heaven. It's the most beautiful football situation

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever been in. No offence too since now Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was he was there what O line coach

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty three years, So I mean that's saying something.

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<v Speaker 1>But hey, when you step into a job where you're

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<v Speaker 1>coaching three Pro bowlers who have been All pros at

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<v Speaker 1>some point, that's pretty good. Well, and like you guys

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<v Speaker 1>are saying, there's a perfect blend of veterans and youth. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he pointed out a potential fourth. He's big on

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<v Speaker 1>Laoe Collins. But by the way, yeah, yeah, yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's easy low Collins. I mean he's the one guy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You're kind of watching him in these practices and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. He seems like that A like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor very happy that he didn't have to move B

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<v Speaker 1>is that he could build on what he was able

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<v Speaker 1>to do last year. I haven't seen any real struggle

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<v Speaker 1>with him. Sometimes you see some breakdowns other people, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not with him. He seems to be right back

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<v Speaker 1>to where he was at the end of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Could this wide receiver crew help help Ezekiel it better? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely it needs to, because if they don't find a

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<v Speaker 1>way to effectively throw the football or you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>guys get open. And Mickey likes to talk about this,

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<v Speaker 1>and he could be absolutely right. Could people just stack

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<v Speaker 1>the box and say okay, and and they've run against

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<v Speaker 1>some stack boxes before, but how consistently can they run

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<v Speaker 1>against stack boxes? If in fact that none of these

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<v Speaker 1>receivers step up and give them anything on the outside

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<v Speaker 1>to be a threat. That's that you know. I made

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<v Speaker 1>a comment about the offensive line and the young guys

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<v Speaker 1>and all that and looking forward to that, but also

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<v Speaker 1>the receivers. I mean if if if they don't figure

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<v Speaker 1>that out, that could be that could be very problematic

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<v Speaker 1>for this team moving the football. Not only not only

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<v Speaker 1>trying to run it, but if it gets into situation

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<v Speaker 1>whether they're in some those long yarded situations or mediu

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<v Speaker 1>marriage situations, and you got guys that aren't getting open,

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<v Speaker 1>then they're not moving. The sticks to TBD to be determined. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>not just the rookies, it's just unknown. Look at what's

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<v Speaker 1>out there right now. Yeah, you don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't even have Terrence Williams out there right right now,

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<v Speaker 1>is still rehabbing from the surgery. It's interesting, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Jones has admitted, Look, we don't have a quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote number one guy this year. It's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a Julio Jones hunter catches. That's not Luya's offense

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<v Speaker 1>is designed anyway. I do think you need somebody to

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<v Speaker 1>step up and draw double teams and and and create

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<v Speaker 1>some attention every snap down to down. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at Alan Hearns because this is a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that's had a thousand yards season in his career on

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<v Speaker 1>the outside as an ex receiver. But I think you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta take it another step and say they just need

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<v Speaker 1>two or three wide receivers to like Brian said, just

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<v Speaker 1>be reliable, get open and take advantage of one on ones.

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<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden, now you have an

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<v Speaker 1>offense that defenses have to account for every guy. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that was really the case last year.

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<v Speaker 1>There was, you know, they needed their receivers to do

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<v Speaker 1>a better job getting open consistently. Who is the best

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<v Speaker 1>receiver on this team? But we did a top ten

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<v Speaker 1>on that a couple of weeks ago. Didn't Did you

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<v Speaker 1>vote on the top ten? I did? First? Yeah Beasley, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>me too. I put Hearns because of his one great,

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<v Speaker 1>really good season, Jacks Beasley's one great season. I put

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<v Speaker 1>Beasley number two. Yeah. See, that's that's the thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>now you're saying, Okay, is your slot receiver and I

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<v Speaker 1>the good old air quotations for slot receiver, he's your

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<v Speaker 1>best receiver. What does that tell you? That tell you something?

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<v Speaker 1>Should we? Should we be like? And nothing? It gets

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<v Speaker 1>Cole Beasley because I love the guy. I think they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of get him going when you're talking about his

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<v Speaker 1>best season. And correct me if I'm wrong, Mick, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're probably referring more to twenty and sixteen obviously, right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't catches and sixteen. You look at that and

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<v Speaker 1>you you still have the Dez Bryant, even though he's

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with injuries. You you had a more veteran player

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<v Speaker 1>that was on this team for a year quarterback. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying is that, you know, looking at

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<v Speaker 1>him an not looking at his relationship with Dak it

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like the obvious connection. It's it just appeared that

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<v Speaker 1>in watching the games we all did, it just appeared

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<v Speaker 1>that defensive coordinators were not going to let Cole Beasley

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<v Speaker 1>beat them in these games. And that's my worry going

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<v Speaker 1>into this season. Defense. There's a different there's a different

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<v Speaker 1>element though. They got to worry about handing the ball

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<v Speaker 1>to Zeke now in the middle. Right, you can't devote

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<v Speaker 1>that linebacker to back at him when he's in the slot.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're not so sure he's always going to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the slot, by the way. Yeah, we've been paying attention.

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<v Speaker 1>We absolutely have been paying attention. Were they were taking him,

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, but they were taking Beasley out or trying

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<v Speaker 1>to before Zee got suspended too. They were somehow averaging

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight points a game. Well I know that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about Beasley, whatever his numbers were, somebody was

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<v Speaker 1>doing something right. Yeah. Yeah, And maybe Tavon Austin is

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<v Speaker 1>another element there. A guy that you got to account

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<v Speaker 1>for in space can be a mismatch guy. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard an interview today this morning with Dion and

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<v Speaker 1>I normally don't hardly ever agree with anything he says,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was asked about No Dez, where they going

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<v Speaker 1>with these wide receiver corps, and he goes, can we

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<v Speaker 1>can we just call Dez and make up and say, oh,

0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.480
<v Speaker 1>you know what, we changed our mind, he said. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's not gonna happen, he said, So what they have now,

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<v Speaker 1>this offensive coordinator needs to be more creative to get

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<v Speaker 1>all these parts involved because he doesn't have one guy

0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.320
<v Speaker 1>to just lean on it. Do you think that's what

0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Zeke met with the wrinkles. Oh, I'm absolutely sure. With

0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:20.640
<v Speaker 1>adding Tavon Austin whatever he's gonna do. Alan hearns. You

0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.080
<v Speaker 1>know Rob mentioned he had him number one. Well a

0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of times he's in the slot. So they can

0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:34.520
<v Speaker 1>move these guys around, play all three positions. Yeah, um Thompson, Yeah,

0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.839
<v Speaker 1>he's got more speed than they've had it. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>yeahceiver absolutely And as I keep saying, don't go to

0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:44.480
<v Speaker 1>sleep on Gallop, Yeah, you know he may need three

0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:48.800
<v Speaker 1>or four. Don't go to sleep on him. So that

0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.640
<v Speaker 1>they've got at this kind of group there, Uh that

0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.280
<v Speaker 1>you know if but he was right, Dion was right.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna have to be creative to how they mix

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<v Speaker 1>all this together. See that's the thing that worries me

0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.959
<v Speaker 1>now because you're saying Dion, who you're right, make you

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with you on that. I have one foot in

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<v Speaker 1>the parking lot on him a lot of the times.

0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.560
<v Speaker 1>That's okay. He probably has both feeding the parking lot

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<v Speaker 1>on me. That's all right, no problem with that, we're

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<v Speaker 1>even there. But I just kind of wonder, creativity wise,

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<v Speaker 1>is can you be a creative coach and run the football?

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<v Speaker 1>Or and hear me outand no, I mean if your

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<v Speaker 1>team is about lining up in twelve personnel or maybe

0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.560
<v Speaker 1>even some eleven personnel stuff. But can you be creative

0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:39.839
<v Speaker 1>if your identity is running the football? I think so.

0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.079
<v Speaker 1>I think you can do it with formations. You can

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<v Speaker 1>do it with packages that you're not just standard two

0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:51.080
<v Speaker 1>tight ends, two wide receiver and a running back, because

0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that they want well, I'm sure they're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to throw the two tight end package out right, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. If if you had to pick

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<v Speaker 1>two tight end ends, well, who's going to be on

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<v Speaker 1>the field? What I got? Well, right now it's Swam

0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.199
<v Speaker 1>and Jarwin. Yeah, those are the two guys, all right,

0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.959
<v Speaker 1>and not exactly you know God's gift to blocking, by

0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:15.120
<v Speaker 1>the way, that's fair assessment. So you know, if you're

0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna run with two tight ends, somebody's got to do

0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the blocking. God's gift to blocks gift. But well, if

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<v Speaker 1>she'd Stanford is what she should. Joe and Flower Mound

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<v Speaker 1>be worried about creativity, I think, well, what you've seen, Yeah,

0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.200
<v Speaker 1>and that's that's fair and I and I mean because,

0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.960
<v Speaker 1>but creativity could be that Scott Linahan is not being

0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:39.520
<v Speaker 1>created because he's because Ezekiel It just told you, Hey,

0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.160
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get back to running the football. No, but

0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.880
<v Speaker 1>there's different ways to do it. Yeah, And there's different

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<v Speaker 1>ways to create the lessen the confusion in the middle

0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:53.400
<v Speaker 1>of the field by your second teeth, Micky does that

0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:58.720
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver more wide receiver and the rounds um you

0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:02.440
<v Speaker 1>added a guy who can be creative with and Austin. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a guy that's a chest like that one. Huh. Well,

0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I think you can find a role for him. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got to be productive, all right, but you can

0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.040
<v Speaker 1>do a lot of different things with him because he

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<v Speaker 1>hangs to the ball. We think that guy, do we

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<v Speaker 1>think that head coach in Los Angeles is a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>creative guy? Do you think that just because of the

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<v Speaker 1>pieces he has or the pieces. Why do you specifically

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm thinking that because I've watched I watched a

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback just get thirty million dollars a year in Minnesota

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<v Speaker 1>that never went to a playoff, never did anything, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>But what did they do against the Cowboys? Offensively? Always

0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.560
<v Speaker 1>found a way to move the football. Yeah, they're always

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<v Speaker 1>found a way that you say, does that say something

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<v Speaker 1>about the player? I'm worried a little bit about I

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<v Speaker 1>like what you're saying about Tavon Austin. I'm worried a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. Yeah, I'm worried that maybe Scott lind Han's

0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.680
<v Speaker 1>attitude and it might not be his fault, it might

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<v Speaker 1>be his attitude is No, he got creative in Minnesota,

0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:59.640
<v Speaker 1>he got creative in Detroit. He's come here though, they

0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.080
<v Speaker 1>draft to sequel Elliott for Tony Romo, but has to

0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.840
<v Speaker 1>get a quarterback ready. So what does he do? He

0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.840
<v Speaker 1>plays play action, he plays waggle, he plays boot. We

0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.760
<v Speaker 1>see the guy get the Rookie of the Year, and

0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:16.840
<v Speaker 1>then you're thinking like, yeah, yeah, and I'm with Mickey,

0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.120
<v Speaker 1>I think he I think he does have to get

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<v Speaker 1>more creative, but maybe it's not his DNA With this

0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.960
<v Speaker 1>current teams though that I think you've brought up on

0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:31.680
<v Speaker 1>this show, particularly is Sanjay Law. You have brought up

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you believe he's passing game Moses. Now, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you think that he's a creative guy from what you've seen.

0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Al And let's remember about Tavon Austin. He played most

0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.840
<v Speaker 1>of the last year with a risk that needed surgery. Okay,

0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.160
<v Speaker 1>look at his numbers the year before hurt his knee.

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<v Speaker 1>He says in preseason. Oh no, I look at the

0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:56.080
<v Speaker 1>numbers in the year before. I would sit there. I'm

0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.360
<v Speaker 1>with you. I'm just saying though that I have a

0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I have a out of respect just watching the Redskins

0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.640
<v Speaker 1>play the Cowboys all those times, and that guy thrown

0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.080
<v Speaker 1>for damn near five hundred yards every time, and he

0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.040
<v Speaker 1>seemed like he was throwing the Jamison Crowder and Pierre

0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Grossan and Jordan Read and it always seemed like there

0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.840
<v Speaker 1>was something going on. And then this kid, he sees

0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.520
<v Speaker 1>McVeigh come in and maybe the fact that he was

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<v Speaker 1>so banged up, but they just basically gave up on

0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.000
<v Speaker 1>him though. They gave up on him. No, no, they

0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:30.000
<v Speaker 1>gave him away. Yeah, they just gave away. But but

0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying though they couldn't afford him after all

0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:33.840
<v Speaker 1>the people they're out And I'm not trying to hammer

0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Scott Nahan here, but I'm but his mindset might be

0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna run this football forty six percent. That's what

0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Zeke saying is we got a line that hey, just okay,

0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:44.119
<v Speaker 1>try and stop us. We're gonna line up and we're

0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:48.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna run you over for four quarters. That's that's Zeke's philosophy. Um.

0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.320
<v Speaker 1>I go back to Alan Hernston in the passing game.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like because we watched the play of him

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<v Speaker 1>this morning. I watched with you for tail the tape

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, Jacksonville, and he very doeslike just give him

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<v Speaker 1>give me six just watching him run. My whole argument

0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.760
<v Speaker 1>gave sixty nine catches. He does numbers from last year.

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<v Speaker 1>Can he do that, say he catches six touchdowns? I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you should um equate running the ball

0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:19.600
<v Speaker 1>better with running the ball more. You can run the

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<v Speaker 1>ball better and be more productive with Zeke on the field,

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't mean he's got to have thirty carries a game.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem last year was when he wasn't on the field,

0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:35.720
<v Speaker 1>they had nobody to threaten the back end of the defense. Guy.

0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:40.960
<v Speaker 1>How many carries did he get last year? How did

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<v Speaker 1>Alfred Moore's average almost the same amount of yards but

0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.720
<v Speaker 1>he didn't average touchdowns? See that's the that's okay. And

0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.720
<v Speaker 1>where's he at now? Oh no, I'm still a free agent? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that tells you what not only teams think about him,

0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.840
<v Speaker 1>but probably tells you what defensive coordinators thought he did

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<v Speaker 1>and threatened them. God bless him. He served a great

0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.560
<v Speaker 1>purpose here, great God right for sure. Oh, you can

0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.200
<v Speaker 1>never say a bad word about him. But no one's

0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.000
<v Speaker 1>picked him up. Yeah, and the Cowboys he was their

0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.840
<v Speaker 1>lead dude. No one's picked up des Brian either. Yeah,

0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.520
<v Speaker 1>those are your two lead dudes on offense. And they're

0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:23.040
<v Speaker 1>still sitting there right now. As Brian would say, m Yeah,

0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.480
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<v Speaker 1>to take our first break. When we come back, we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to tell you where has Zach Martin been,

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<v Speaker 1>week of OTAs, next week is mini camp, then they

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<v Speaker 1>break for the summer. We all know how Brian feels

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<v Speaker 1>or we're at OTAs and we're at mini camp. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course no Zach Martin so far through the OTAs

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<v Speaker 1>obviously everything with the contract, but Stephen Jones, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>echoing the message that no one wants him here more

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<v Speaker 1>than they do. But can we anticipate that it will

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<v Speaker 1>be done before training camp? What are you guys really

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<v Speaker 1>feeling in your gut. I don't have a feeling on

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<v Speaker 1>that anymore. I thought it was gonna get done last summer.

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<v Speaker 1>I still think it's going to get done before the

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<v Speaker 1>start of this season. Would probably be my gut because

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<v Speaker 1>last year Zach decided I just want to focus on

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<v Speaker 1>the season, which seems smart. Yeah, I mean, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>his right, So I think if following that logic, but

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<v Speaker 1>they would push to get something done by the end

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<v Speaker 1>of preseason. Um, I don't know that's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fact that we've heard he's been working out

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<v Speaker 1>here even though he's not participating in the OTAs, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't consider this like a quote unquote holdout or something

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<v Speaker 1>where it's contentious at all. So that's good, dude. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that's a good sign. He's under contract, right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so he'll be here next week. He will be mandatory.

0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Will he practice, Yeah, maybe not, maybe not, but he'll

0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:56.600
<v Speaker 1>be here out there. Can he choose that or would

0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that they would force. Yeah, they're

0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:00.320
<v Speaker 1>not going to ask you, not going to get a

0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:02.560
<v Speaker 1>contentious thing. It's one of those things where you know,

0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:04.960
<v Speaker 1>if they want to get this done too, they don't

0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 1>want to put him in a situation where he might

0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:10.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, you'd get it'll be it'll be done by

0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 1>July twenty ninth. I think Searly in camp all right,

0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:15.919
<v Speaker 1>because those first three days they can't put pads on

0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 1>right right, So twenty six, twenty seven, twenty he's on

0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:20.959
<v Speaker 1>the plane. He's on the plane to well even if

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:24.880
<v Speaker 1>he's not a yeah, he's under contract, he's got a report. Yeah, yeah,

0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:28.640
<v Speaker 1>otherwise you're subjected to be fine. Yeah, I think this

0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:31.520
<v Speaker 1>will get done. When Zach Martin tells his agent to

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:36.680
<v Speaker 1>get it done, that's yeah, because that's that's what Maybe

0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:38.399
<v Speaker 1>this is what that's what's gonna happen. I mean, the

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 1>whole thing is probably about structure. Well, how much guaranteed

0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:43.760
<v Speaker 1>money are you giving me? We look kind of get

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:48.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, year guarantees. Stewing Radio the other day on

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:49.880
<v Speaker 1>one oh five three, and I kind of went through

0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:54.200
<v Speaker 1>the top five guards. Zeitler and those guys, Gabe Jackson,

0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 1>people like that and all the ones that fans know

0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.359
<v Speaker 1>so well. Yeah, but those guys are making an average

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:03.919
<v Speaker 1>of like twelve million dollars a year, you know, nor Vell. Yeah, yeah,

0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:06.440
<v Speaker 1>So I think that it's gonna be this is gonna

0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:09.480
<v Speaker 1>get done. When Zach Martin says, listen, Okay, that's a

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.720
<v Speaker 1>fair deal, let's do it. Yeah, I think the Cowboys

0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:14.640
<v Speaker 1>are just you know, they yeah, they want to get

0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:17.639
<v Speaker 1>it done. But I've made this mention before. This is

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:21.600
<v Speaker 1>a position that traditionally has not been paid until recently,

0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 1>and you're trying to figure out it seems like every

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 1>time a guy signs a new deal at guard, a

0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 1>guy comes along and beats that deal. So you have

0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:31.959
<v Speaker 1>to structure it in a way. Cowboys have got some

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:35.200
<v Speaker 1>situations too, where guys in the future, if you look forward,

0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 1>have got some contracts that they have to think about.

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:41.679
<v Speaker 1>So you have to make sure that not only for

0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 1>this year, but in coming years, that your situation is

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 1>good enough to kind of make sure that you don't

0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:52.320
<v Speaker 1>you can sign everybody that you need to sign. And so,

0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 1>but I do think I agree with Mickey. I think

0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 1>it's going to get done in training camp. But I

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 1>do believe it's going to be when Zack Martin says

0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:04.119
<v Speaker 1>to his agents, Okay, that's good enough. Let's put this

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:07.240
<v Speaker 1>behind us. It's a fair deal. Move on and come

0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>this week. They picked up three more million dollars in

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:17.800
<v Speaker 1>the salary cap. Right, the June one payoff for Orlando Scandron. Right,

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.360
<v Speaker 1>they get his base salary back, so you get three

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 1>million dollars. They're not that they need more money for

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 1>this year because if they signed him to a long

0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 1>term deal, his nine point three million dollars base salaries

0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 1>going to go down, right, and and it'll factor out

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 1>that they'll I bet they cut that in half, so

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:38.159
<v Speaker 1>they'll pick up even some more money. Could they got

0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 1>draft class signed? Could they? Could they go ahead and

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 1>say play under the current contract this year and then

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:47.280
<v Speaker 1>next year, you could if you wanted to. If you

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:49.640
<v Speaker 1>hadn't they feel like you had the rootten Yeah. What's

0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 1>his feeling on that? Does he want the security now? No? No?

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 1>I think he's saying, signed the deal, signed the deal,

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:58.919
<v Speaker 1>but let him have nine point three millions, right, okay, right, right,

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:01.520
<v Speaker 1>because you have the room for no, right, absolutely? Yeah,

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 1>just and then and then and then what you have

0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:07.359
<v Speaker 1>to be careful though, if you give him a signing bonus.

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>You don't want that to add on to nine point

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:13.960
<v Speaker 1>three million, right, So you would like to restructure that

0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:18.640
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna make nine point three million this year, right somehow,

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 1>some way right between signing bonus, how much they pay

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:25.000
<v Speaker 1>up front and then guarantees down the road, they're gonna

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 1>have to get him somewhere between twelve and fourteen million dollars.

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:31.639
<v Speaker 1>Now do you want to pay him more than Tyron Smith? That,

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:36.920
<v Speaker 1>my friend, is the the way that contracts fall guard tackles.

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Though it doesn't. It's the timing of the whole. It's

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:43.119
<v Speaker 1>the timing. He came along at the right time in

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 1>history where guards are now getting paid. So Tyron Smith

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:49.439
<v Speaker 1>is gonna deal. Now, Tyren Smith's going to figure out

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 1>if okay, this lifetime deal that I just signed, how

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.360
<v Speaker 1>bad is that really for me? Now the problem he's

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 1>running into, Tyron Smith is the health, his health, So

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 1>now you can negotiate. Yeah, so I mean his if

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Tyron Smith is is of course Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl,

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:08.879
<v Speaker 1>Pro Bowl are are all pro and all that, But

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>if it's now Tyren Smith's only playing twelve games, eleven games,

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 1>then it becomes you don't really have a much of

0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:18.920
<v Speaker 1>a leg to stand on right there, Tyron's twenty seven

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:21.920
<v Speaker 1>feels like he should be about thirty five. You know, this,

0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 1>this whole deal is kind of reminiscent of Greg Ellis

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 1>signing that long term deal. Yes, and he was coming

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:31.199
<v Speaker 1>off a torn achilles, I believe, and he ended up

0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:34.399
<v Speaker 1>signing seven year deal or something like that. Yeah, and

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:36.159
<v Speaker 1>then what happened with it by the end of it.

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 1>By the end of it, it was like, oh, this

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 1>is not very good, and which reminds I think I've

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>told you guys this story before. We were talking about it.

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Pat summer All was part of the discussion, and I said, well,

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.719
<v Speaker 1>I said, you know what happened is he signed that

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 1>deal and then all of a sudden, the contracts for

0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 1>the defensive ends exploded, right the salary cap went up.

0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>And I said, you know he, I mean, he's a

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 1>little bit bitter about it, and he just came came

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 1>along too soon, too soon, And summer All goes, we

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 1>all came around too soon, meeting what he was getting

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 1>paid to be an announcer and then what they're getting

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 1>paid now. The other thing about that, too, is they

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:20.959
<v Speaker 1>moved him a linebacker, which he didn't want to do

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 1>and that might yeah, and that might have fell into

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 1>three fourth thing that could affect your asking power too,

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 1>So you're earning power well anyway, but anyway that but yeah,

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Tyrn got like a ten year deal for you. When

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Tyron signed it was great, right, Yeah, Zach Martin is

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 1>going to be the highest paid lineman for the count

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 1>on July twenty ninth, exactly, by July, by July twenty ninth,

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 1>sorry to put words your yes, all right, well could

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 1>be tomorrow, that's by July twenty ninth. We're always right.

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:54.959
<v Speaker 1>So they're missing what eight eight guys if I countered right, well, guys, justices, Yeah,

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, you've got him, right, Sean Lee, they're

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 1>holding outst holding out right. Elie's still rehabbing from his

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 1>shoulder surgery, right Looney from his wrist surgery. Right Lewis

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Neil has a hamstring. He's still rehabbing. We mentioned Tyron Williams,

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 1>and then Terrence Williams. Terrence Williams, Tyrone Williams, it's okay,

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>and then David Irving. Yes, so the last two names

0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>on there. I wanted to ask you guys this, and

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:24.640
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of tapers and Taper and Tapper injury. We'll

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>see Suppose Lee wasn't that bad of a concussion. I

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>hope not. I like the guy and I'd like to

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>see him not actually be mine. All Right, this question

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 1>bear with me because it sounds mean, but it's not

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>intended to be mean. Mean today, I'm not trying to

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 1>be but I'm asking who do you think had a

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:46.959
<v Speaker 1>worse offseason, Terrence Williams or David Irving, because when you

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>look at both of them, you know they both have

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 1>such a great opportunity. Terrence Williams being the obvious one.

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>You don't have Dez Bryan in front of you anymore.

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Go out there, show him what's up. You know you've

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 1>been He posts on social media Moore and talks about

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 1>this and what he can do. And you know, from

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:06.920
<v Speaker 1>the majority of his career he's been able to kind

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 1>of understand his role on this team. He's had some flashes,

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>some unbelievable catches. Obviously Seattle game sticks out in your mind,

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 1>but it's just this offseason has not been going his

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 1>way on the field with the injuries, and now you're

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:24.040
<v Speaker 1>looking at some different off the fields, and then you're

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>looking at someone like David Irving, where you've known some

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 1>different off the field situations. He's had the suspension, went

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.280
<v Speaker 1>through a whole contract thing where they're waiting to see

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 1>if he was going to get tendered, went through that

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 1>whole tender process. You've seen some different things on social

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 1>media with his you know, family, and that's been unfortunate

0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:44.479
<v Speaker 1>to see that play out. And then just now he

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.479
<v Speaker 1>needs to get back into shape. And I just don't know,

0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, both of them. I just want to be like,

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>why can't you just get Williams wouldn't be practicing anyway.

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 1>But that's what I'm saying. I mean, he's just had

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 1>a bad off season. The deal broke his fifth metatarsals,

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:03.720
<v Speaker 1>so he figure out how we did that? Was he

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 1>running barefoot in the parking line? I don't There was

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:08.400
<v Speaker 1>three in the morning. I just I was wondering if

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 1>you and your yeah, your newspaperman. Whenever he was doing out,

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>there's paper man. But that's what I'm saying. I mean,

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 1>even that, you know, it's just unfortunate. Some of these things.

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Of course they can't control. I think from a competition standpoint,

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 1>there's a more glaring need for David Irving to get

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 1>in there and settle this defensive tackle situation. Although when

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>we talked about receiver, um needing to find a guy,

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>and I think Williams has got some competition there, even

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 1>though I think his experience is value yallup, he's right, yeah,

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>but um boy, they need David Irving to step in

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 1>there and play that three technique or something. You know,

0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 1>especially right now with Collins being hurt. You know, the

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 1>depth there is not is not great. So I look

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>at that more so than receiver, even though we don't

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 1>have de fine roles at receiver yet. Well, he's he's

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 1>opened the door for jehad Ward, who's played really well,

0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>and the stuff I've watched, yeah, he's been he's been

0:32:59.920 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 1>a problem for these guards. And I know it's not

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Zack Martin playing there, but he's been a problem for

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Connor Williams. And and who has ever had to play

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 1>right guard, whether it's Jad Green or Martin. Not not

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Zack Martin. But when you talk about John, you've mentioned

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 1>that Will had a knife for him. Will McClay when

0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 1>coming Baron Ellie to Maryon Ellie put him an inside

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:23.600
<v Speaker 1>at tackle at Illinois. He was really an end and

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.600
<v Speaker 1>maryon Ellie kicked him inside and he's found him a

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:28.719
<v Speaker 1>pretty good player there. I like what I've seen so

0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 1>far from him, I really really do. And you know

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 1>what the good part is, he's a happy camper. Yeah,

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 1>he won't say anything bad about Oakland, but he's darn

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 1>glad to be out of there. Yeah, you didn't get

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 1>a chance to see what Gruden would bring or Vegas.

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 1>They didn't give him a chance either, because if you remember,

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 1>his rookie year wasn't all that bad for you know,

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 1>where he was drafted and everything. We ask you, guys,

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 1>this expected though, kind of from what we've known about

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 1>David Irving in the past, is that is that one

0:33:56.800 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 1>of the most unfulfilled so far careers. He's the potential.

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 1>And what really nails home your point is that he

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 1>will tell you that. He will say, look, I've done

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 1>some stupid stuff back to college where I think he

0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:14.439
<v Speaker 1>got kicked off the team, and yeah, he understands he's

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 1>part of the reason why he doesn't have a long

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:20.240
<v Speaker 1>term deal. Yeah, I mean he'll admit it to you. So, Yeah,

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 1>for sure, he's got amazing talent. Amazing talent. He definitely

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 1>was overweight. No, I don't know what he was doing.

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't call him that. I'm the same way and

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 1>then yeah, but Marion Nellie did. Okay, Marion Elly can

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 1>call me that too. Yeah. And right now he's too fat, Bill,

0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 1>and he's got to take care of his personal life. Yeah,

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:42.919
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if they're allowing him to kind

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>of figure all that out and get all that straight

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:50.880
<v Speaker 1>before the season starts or not. But he's got to

0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 1>take care of that, and so I don't know if

0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 1>they've given him some leeway and we'll find out, right,

0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 1>but U you know, it sort of reminds me of

0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 1>somewhat Leon Let. Leon was always going to be that

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:10.319
<v Speaker 1>guy the next year, and then something would happen, you know,

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:14.399
<v Speaker 1>he'd he'd get hurt, he gets suspended, and it's like

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:19.799
<v Speaker 1>the season starts and then he'd get hurt and it's

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.399
<v Speaker 1>like he he was going to be this great Pro

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Bowl player six times, right, and it it just never happened.

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 1>And there's kind of similarity in the way they play, yeah, No,

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:32.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of a unique frame and ability to play multiple spots,

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:36.879
<v Speaker 1>play inside. Yeah, And so that's a good comparison. Yeah,

0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:39.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you hate to say it, but you know,

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:43.879
<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure Leon figures. You know, I just never

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:46.719
<v Speaker 1>really reached what I everybody thought I could have. Well,

0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 1>from what you're talking about with you know, have you

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 1>are you surprised by this type of situation. No. I

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 1>mean I remember after the Green Bay game and David Irving,

0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:01.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, wins NFC Offensive Player of the Week, and

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, you bring up Marionelli. He's very honest about

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 1>his guys, and I remember people are like, well, you know,

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 1>what does this mean for him now? And he goes

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>show me it again. You know, all that they wanted

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 1>to see from him is the consistency in town. And

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, you see these flashes and then suspension, you

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:20.719
<v Speaker 1>see this and then something else, and you know, it's

0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 1>just show me consistency. I know a lot of people

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 1>have been talking about DeMarcus Lawrence in this offseason, but

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 1>he has to do the same thing. He has to

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 1>have another consistent year of success. So unfortunately, you feel

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 1>like though that Lawrence tracking up, Yes, absolutely, but David

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Irvin You're like, Okay, glad he's back. And then but

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:42.960
<v Speaker 1>you're like going, oh, I could just get him on

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the field and let him play sixteen games man average

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.719
<v Speaker 1>is like a sack of game. You know, it's incredible.

0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:53.879
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen a player be more productive for as

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 1>little time as he plays. He could have had he

0:36:56.200 --> 0:37:01.759
<v Speaker 1>could have challenged Lawrence with a full season stand the

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 1>concussion into year. It's incredible to see him play the

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 1>way he does and then and then. But you look

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:12.799
<v Speaker 1>at reliability, that's all these front office and coaches want,

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:16.520
<v Speaker 1>and Taylor you even said it. It's it's that reliability. Well,

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:20.400
<v Speaker 1>do you trust him? The good thing is you know what?

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:23.359
<v Speaker 1>You know what he is? Right, right, you know what

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Terrence Williams is. So these OTAs, yeah, they're great, they're

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 1>learning sessions, but you're given other guys a chance to

0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 1>find out a little bit more about before your hoards

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:37.759
<v Speaker 1>there you go, right, you're right, yeah, and there's other guys.

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 1>There's other spots Daytone Jones more than those are your starters,

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.880
<v Speaker 1>war did Jones. You're two starters inside defensive end. Tacos

0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 1>getting more reps with the Marcus, Lawrence getting some rest days.

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:51.279
<v Speaker 1>So that's good for him. Oh my list just grew

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:54.280
<v Speaker 1>to ten now, Collins, I forgot he was out. Yeah,

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to keep growing it keeps growing here. I

0:37:57.280 --> 0:37:59.000
<v Speaker 1>think about it, well, as long as it's not growing

0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:01.759
<v Speaker 1>in training camp. Yeah, that's that's that's when we have

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.279
<v Speaker 1>those when we have those shows, we do and everybody's like,

0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:06.759
<v Speaker 1>all right, Mickey fired through the injury report and then

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:13.239
<v Speaker 1>well that was a show that's very number one. Yeah, exactly.

0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm I think we're all hopeful for David Irvin, but

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 1>I think if I'm going into this camp, I'm skeptical.

0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm hopeful, but skeptical. Is that right? Is that like

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.719
<v Speaker 1>an oxymoron? Am I? No? No? And you know what?

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 1>And am I being a moron for thinking? I think

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 1>when he finished the season last year, in the back

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:36.839
<v Speaker 1>of his mind it was like, I don't know if

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:39.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm coming back. Yeah, you know, I don't know if

0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 1>they trust me. And it's my fault one thing concussion,

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I guess, yeah, which he started the year with the

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.800
<v Speaker 1>suspension end of the game this year with four games

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:49.839
<v Speaker 1>out with the concussion. I'm with you with the hopeful part,

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 1>because look, he's on a one year deal, he's got

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot to prove. He's he's a restricted free agent

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:57.399
<v Speaker 1>one year tender. He can hit the market next year

0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 1>and cash in with a big year, so he's got

0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:01.360
<v Speaker 1>he's got a lot to play for. Absolutely. I like

0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:04.319
<v Speaker 1>your hopeful optimism and figuring things out at training camp

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:07.839
<v Speaker 1>because I think that leads well into Rob's Twitter poll

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 1>that we're gonna get to vote on during this last

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 1>brand vote live. I don't vote anonymously, that is true.

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<v Speaker 1>let's not forget about Papa John's pizza because we know

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<v Speaker 1>why it tastes so great. Those ingredients. Ah, the veggis fresh, oh,

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 1>never frozen. Then that pepperoni. Yeah, they need to get

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<v Speaker 1>some of that pepperoni here because it's one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 1>And it's Papa John. I have a present for you, Mick.

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<v Speaker 1>You know they got media days going on. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're you know, trying to feed everyone that's and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you I'm gonna bring you some Papa John's

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<v Speaker 1>because it stays fresh all day too. All right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>just bring a little because I'm trying to get in

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<v Speaker 1>shape for training camp because once we hit training camp,

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 1>we don't don't you take off your shirt in front

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:08.960
<v Speaker 1>of us and put on other shirts and uh, by

0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:13.319
<v Speaker 1>the way, by the way, Um, seventy four years ago.

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:21.759
<v Speaker 1>D Day Invasion today laughing, Yeah, I know, it's just

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:27.120
<v Speaker 1>a little historical, your dad, it's my dead landed on

0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Omaha Beach on June eighth. So he was in the

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:36.000
<v Speaker 1>second wave and I'm guessing twenty five years old, probably

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:39.960
<v Speaker 1>never shot a gun at anybody. And when they landed,

0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 1>like there were at the end all fifty miles I

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:50.760
<v Speaker 1>was reading. I wanted to catch up four thousand troops

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 1>dead And when they landed and they're waiting through the water,

0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:58.000
<v Speaker 1>guess what was there two days later waiting for him.

0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:00.560
<v Speaker 1>I would have said, uh no, I changed my mind.

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:03.799
<v Speaker 1>Can I get back on the boat? Well wow, so yeah,

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:07.959
<v Speaker 1>seventy four years ago, but it, you know, all led

0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 1>to liberating France and important day for sure, very very

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 1>important day. All right, well Rob's Twitter poll? All right,

0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:20.240
<v Speaker 1>back to football. Who will be the backout quarterback this season? Mickey,

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:25.760
<v Speaker 1>you got three options, Cooper Rush, Mike White, the rookie,

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:29.319
<v Speaker 1>or an outside veteran currently not on this roster. That's

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:31.240
<v Speaker 1>what I knew. Was it gonna be the third choice

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:38.200
<v Speaker 1>to be determined? Um, it will start off with Cooper Rush,

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:41.600
<v Speaker 1>not saying that's how it's gonna end. Oh, the questions

0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 1>how's it gonna end? Oh? I thought it was who's

0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:46.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna be the No. I mean, it'll start off with

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Cooper Rush during the season this season and then beware

0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 1>of what happened last year, keeping three, keeping Mike White. Yes,

0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:56.960
<v Speaker 1>at this point, now we'll see what happens when the

0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 1>pads come on. Who else who's got a vote? He said,

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:03.799
<v Speaker 1>how is this going to end? Yeah? I guess, I guess.

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean when the season starts, and if you want

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 1>to take it a step further, Okay, who's your number

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 1>two behind Dak? Okay? Luckily. The beautiful thing about your

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Twitter pool, I think is the interaction we have from

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:16.799
<v Speaker 1>fans and a lot of times, you know, even though

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:20.279
<v Speaker 1>they vote, they also respond to everything that you know

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:25.040
<v Speaker 1>is going they do comments. Yeah, and I thought one

0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 1>in particular that I saw and I will have to

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:31.880
<v Speaker 1>find out the exact name. Someone said, start out with Rush,

0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 1>he gets traded for somebody out there. Then by week gate,

0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:39.439
<v Speaker 1>Mike White is breathing down their neck. I'll often find

0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:45.919
<v Speaker 1>this exactly because I was like, crazier thing the whole scenario. Yeah,

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.799
<v Speaker 1>this was Victor. He said, they trade Rush before week one,

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 1>and White will be breathing down Dak's neck by week

0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:56.440
<v Speaker 1>week gate broad us is rights is right, Hu, I

0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:58.920
<v Speaker 1>like Mike White. I still think Cooper Rush is going

0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 1>to be the backup quarterback though I do. Yeah, Cooper

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Rush though he's kind of one of those guys, but

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:07.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that he is. There was really no pressure

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>on him last year. The way he came into training camp.

0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:13.279
<v Speaker 1>They gave him. They gave him the reps he took.

0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:16.920
<v Speaker 1>He was able to make those good. He went into games,

0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:18.520
<v Speaker 1>he was very productive. He was one of the most

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:21.880
<v Speaker 1>productive quarterbacks, you know, young quarterbacks in the league. If

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:23.640
<v Speaker 1>you just look at the preseason game. I think he

0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 1>led the matters the NFL and all the statistical categories.

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:31.360
<v Speaker 1>So I think he will once again be your backup quarterback.

0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:35.080
<v Speaker 1>But I think now he does have some pressure on him.

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 1>I think he's going to have to perform as well

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:40.400
<v Speaker 1>or better than what he did when he made this

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:44.080
<v Speaker 1>football team last year. You know, they obviously like Mike White.

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:47.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, Mike White is a guy that and I

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:50.279
<v Speaker 1>don't I hope I'm not blowing smoke up everybody's rear

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:53.000
<v Speaker 1>about this, but you know, Mike White is a you

0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:55.759
<v Speaker 1>know on my board was I had him as a

0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:58.759
<v Speaker 1>higher grade than Dak Prescott. If you look at the

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:02.239
<v Speaker 1>two as evaluations, think, Mike why, whether it's here somewhere else,

0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:04.839
<v Speaker 1>will be a starting quarterback in the National Football League.

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I just don't think he will be this year. So

0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:10.919
<v Speaker 1>did they have a fourth quarterback last year in training camp?

0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Or was just three of them? And I was okay, Kelly,

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:19.640
<v Speaker 1>they had they had remember three? They had the quarterback

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 1>from Florida that they couldn't take a snap he was

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.400
<v Speaker 1>cut by the Yeah, he was covering. So yeah, I

0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:27.680
<v Speaker 1>think they went to Yeah, I think they went the three.

0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:30.359
<v Speaker 1>They went with three, so there was no one if

0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 1>they were going to keep three, right, Oh no, no, No,

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 1>they had the veteran guy. The veteran they brought in

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the veteran guy. One of them accounts, Yeah, one of

0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:39.520
<v Speaker 1>them accounts. Luke McCown remember one of the accounts came

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:44.319
<v Speaker 1>in halfway through said more than just a camp half yeah,

0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:46.840
<v Speaker 1>halfway he's oh, that's right, that's right. We were. We

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:48.960
<v Speaker 1>were an Oxnard. He was coming in an Oxnard when

0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:50.320
<v Speaker 1>we were getting ready to leave. Because he was a

0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:52.919
<v Speaker 1>lot skinnier and he was right part of the time,

0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:54.359
<v Speaker 1>and then he got They got him off the couch.

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:56.279
<v Speaker 1>Remember the game two hundred and fifty thousand, Get off

0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the couch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, So anyway, I felt

0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 1>like though again with for Rush, no real pressure on him,

0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:04.920
<v Speaker 1>and he was able to perform. Well, He's got some

0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:07.600
<v Speaker 1>pressure on him now because Mike White. But Mike White

0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:10.000
<v Speaker 1>needs to perform well too. They're not give Mike White

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:12.719
<v Speaker 1>that job. But if they're gonna go for a young

0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 1>movement and both those guys are young, I should do

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Like Mike White, Well, we're gonna get a chance to

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 1>see them, especially in preseason because I can't imagine they're

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna play Dak Nope that much, although they need to

0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:26.759
<v Speaker 1>with all the new wide receivers. So you're gonna have

0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:29.319
<v Speaker 1>to find a happy balance. That's what training camps for

0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:32.279
<v Speaker 1>to me. Yeah, what I need is I don't need

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:36.839
<v Speaker 1>any of these receivers knock on wood to not get

0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't need any hamstrings. I don't need you to

0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:41.399
<v Speaker 1>miss any time. I need everybody out there. You got

0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:43.640
<v Speaker 1>to evaluate. I need everybody out there. I need your

0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:46.040
<v Speaker 1>running routes against those young corners. So I think they're

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:48.759
<v Speaker 1>pretty good. I need I need Byron Jones to get

0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 1>some work out there, you know, Alan Hearns. I need

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:53.719
<v Speaker 1>you practice and every day. You know, Gallop, I need

0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:57.279
<v Speaker 1>you practicing every day. I am trying to evaluate my

0:47:57.320 --> 0:48:00.400
<v Speaker 1>team here, so hopefully they can stay through the injuries.

0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:04.680
<v Speaker 1>I said before, I worry about this this month off

0:48:04.719 --> 0:48:07.200
<v Speaker 1>they have after this is all over with, I worry

0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:10.520
<v Speaker 1>about that. But that's just me. You gotta vote. Yeah,

0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:13.040
<v Speaker 1>well that's I was. I was going more with the fans.

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I liked what they said. I think I think as

0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:17.759
<v Speaker 1>it stands right now, Cooper Rush and then you know,

0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 1>it's just a way. The way it happens at training

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:25.680
<v Speaker 1>camp is bizarre. You know what happened, I'll never be

0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:27.960
<v Speaker 1>able to truly understand it. Then, when we watched what

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 1>happened with Dak throughout that training camp, I mean, you

0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:36.359
<v Speaker 1>guys know this and anybody who else has been out

0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 1>to Alex and if you haven't, highly recommend going out there.

0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:42.720
<v Speaker 1>It's a great experience. Um but I mean I remember

0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:45.719
<v Speaker 1>we were out there and you're standing there and you

0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:48.520
<v Speaker 1>guys know when the big players come out, you hear it. Yeah,

0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 1>And the first few days Dak was out there throwing

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:54.279
<v Speaker 1>the football. I don't think anyone really cared or noticed him.

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:57.640
<v Speaker 1>By the end of that camp, there were a lot

0:48:57.719 --> 0:49:01.160
<v Speaker 1>of cheers. Yeah, it's great we watched history. I mean,

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:04.920
<v Speaker 1>just bad luck for Kellen Moore. But you know, Cream

0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:07.360
<v Speaker 1>usually rises to the top anyway eventually, because now he

0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:09.279
<v Speaker 1>has a great job in the NFL. He does he's

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:13.440
<v Speaker 1>coaching these guys. Um the fans Agrieve sixty nine percent,

0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Cooper Rush twenty nine percent. Mike White. I think nobody

0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:19.760
<v Speaker 1>feels like they're going young at quarterback, so nobody really voted.

0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:25.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry the percentage were okay, and Jays made it no. Look, man,

0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:27.839
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna try to develop young guys instead of going

0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:30.279
<v Speaker 1>with vets who are probably knows. It's good that it's

0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:33.480
<v Speaker 1>good that the fan base understands now about trying to

0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:36.120
<v Speaker 1>get the young quarterback developed. It's like they're not waving

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 1>that flag as yeah, oh there's veterans out there, you

0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:40.640
<v Speaker 1>gotta bring them in. I think I think that we've

0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:43.480
<v Speaker 1>seen the problems that they've had trying to trade and

0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:46.279
<v Speaker 1>sign and do everything to get a veteran quarterback here.

0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I think I think the fans had enough. I think

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:51.319
<v Speaker 1>they've had enough of that. Hey, if you're gonna if

0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:53.279
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go down, let's go down swinging with a

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:56.040
<v Speaker 1>young guy. Let's play with Cooper Rush. Let's throw Mike

0:49:56.080 --> 0:49:59.279
<v Speaker 1>White out there. Heck Dak Prescott young keep throwing him out.

0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:02.399
<v Speaker 1>He tried. We they Jeff Castle. Yeah, work didn't work.

0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:05.000
<v Speaker 1>All right. Well, before we move on anymore, you guys

0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:08.080
<v Speaker 1>are getting a great veteran in my seat starting next week.

0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:11.480
<v Speaker 1>His name Bill Jones. I'm sure most Cowboys fans, most

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:14.120
<v Speaker 1>listeners to this podcast. He will be taking over as

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:18.280
<v Speaker 1>I transition more into my role as content strategists, spending

0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 1>more time, and I know everyone loves the meetings. So

0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:25.320
<v Speaker 1>thank you guys. Thanks to everyone who's listened, who's tweeted,

0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:29.560
<v Speaker 1>who's played along with Rob's Twitter pool, Mickey's minute. We've

0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:32.600
<v Speaker 1>had good times on this show. So Bill Jones will

0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:35.200
<v Speaker 1>do a great job. But I do ask all of

0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:38.399
<v Speaker 1>you guys, as you keep okay, Ken, thank you though,

0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:43.280
<v Speaker 1>thank you. Ket ket has always produced the best podcast.

0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:46.879
<v Speaker 1>But as you guys keep going and we're trying to

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:49.400
<v Speaker 1>continually improve our content. As brought us brought up at

0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:52.720
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the show, tale of the Tape, different

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:55.000
<v Speaker 1>things like that tweet at me, let me know, I

0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:57.719
<v Speaker 1>can share it with some people. We can get some

0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:00.759
<v Speaker 1>more ideas flowing. Because when you just get it out

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:02.640
<v Speaker 1>there and share what you want to see, we can

0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:05.800
<v Speaker 1>probably help you get that. We're lucky enough here. So

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:08.439
<v Speaker 1>thank you, guys, and oh, thank you Jay for which

0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:12.799
<v Speaker 1>did I mean? Uh, We've we've been together more than

0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:15.200
<v Speaker 1>any I mean, I know you and Bill originally start

0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:18.600
<v Speaker 1>this this thing a long time ago, so on television,

0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:21.879
<v Speaker 1>on television even so, but no, I do appreciate Tay

0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:26.480
<v Speaker 1>your enthusiasm for the job. To try and get us

0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:29.080
<v Speaker 1>all on the same page is not an easy thing

0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:32.440
<v Speaker 1>to do. Yeah, So Bill's gonna come in for one

0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:34.600
<v Speaker 1>show and then yeah, and then you're going to training.

0:51:34.640 --> 0:51:36.560
<v Speaker 1>Came then we're going to figure it out crazy schedule.

0:51:36.640 --> 0:51:39.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's gonna introduce him three old men and

0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:43.000
<v Speaker 1>a young man more show. It was. It was just

0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:47.280
<v Speaker 1>a mutual decision. Yeah, mutual decision. Well, I've loved this dynamic.

0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:49.319
<v Speaker 1>I've loved the energy you brought. And you know we've

0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:51.839
<v Speaker 1>had Bill on this show and we love Bill. But um,

0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:54.080
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna miss you for sure. Yes, absolutely, but she's

0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:56.480
<v Speaker 1>not going anywhere. Still gonna be bugging Mickey up. I

0:51:56.520 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 1>thought she was leaving on this set, Mickey sort of

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:02.200
<v Speaker 1>those guys. One of these I got on the little

0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:05.279
<v Speaker 1>note and it was like, Okay, she found another job.

0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:12.040
<v Speaker 1>She's leaving. Oh no, Arkansas. I'm not leaving. I am staying. Yeah.

0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Content strategists moving into that new rule. You never know.

0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 1>We might be having more podcasts, we might be doing

0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:21.319
<v Speaker 1>some other things. But let us know what you guys think. Yeah,

0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:24.520
<v Speaker 1>oh no, they're gonna let you make that decision. I

0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:32.000
<v Speaker 1>love Mickey. If anyone's ever questioned us, it's just the best. Yes,

0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the strategist. It's like you're a baseball team. They got

0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:39.879
<v Speaker 1>the guy up in the bar moneyball. He's the strategist. Yeah,

0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:43.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm just sitting there doing strategists. How can we get

0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:46.719
<v Speaker 1>mix shots to get more views? Guys, we need mix

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:48.760
<v Speaker 1>shots to get more views. Were gonna write about Kyler

0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Murray tomorrow? How about that baseball ninth pick? All right?

0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:59.280
<v Speaker 1>One year? Moving on, moving on, as we get back

0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:02.960
<v Speaker 1>into football, we're talk can we go Can we go

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:08.080
<v Speaker 1>to Washington with the Eagles? Oh they're not going NFLPA

0:53:08.360 --> 0:53:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Bill Jones A welcome to the show. Pretty strong, pretty

0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:14.760
<v Speaker 1>strong statement there from the PA. What did they submission?

0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, should you're gonna spend seven more minutes talking

0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:19.640
<v Speaker 1>about something so depressing? I thought you were gonna go

0:53:19.640 --> 0:53:23.920
<v Speaker 1>to the last five minutes appointed in the decision by

0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:28.040
<v Speaker 1>the White House to disinvite players from the Philadelphia Eagles

0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:32.120
<v Speaker 1>from being recognized and celebrated by all Americans for their accomplishment.

0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:35.360
<v Speaker 1>This decision by the White House has led to the

0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:39.680
<v Speaker 1>cancelation of several player led community service events for young

0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:44.200
<v Speaker 1>people in the Washington, DC area. NFL players love their country,

0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:47.560
<v Speaker 1>support our troops, and give back to their communities and

0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:52.840
<v Speaker 1>strive to make America a better place. The report in

0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:58.319
<v Speaker 1>the Philadelphia Inquirer said, Jeffrey Lurion maybe ten players we're

0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:04.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna go. Yeah, So they just decided that something that's

0:54:04.640 --> 0:54:08.160
<v Speaker 1>not going to uh go away quietly, very divisive, but

0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:10.480
<v Speaker 1>what we've been on this show. Also, of course, we

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:13.400
<v Speaker 1>have to send our thoughts and prayers to Dwight Clark's

0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:16.640
<v Speaker 1>family in the San Francisco forty Niners organization. And then

0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:20.640
<v Speaker 1>just recently, uh literally moments ago, Dave Gettleman announced that

0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:25.240
<v Speaker 1>he is lymphoma, So thinking of them as well. Dave's

0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:27.839
<v Speaker 1>good Scalp, known him a long time, and yeah, it's

0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:33.000
<v Speaker 1>uh this uh, these uh, these diseases and sicknesses, they

0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:36.160
<v Speaker 1>they don't they don't play, Uh, they don't play favorite,

0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:38.440
<v Speaker 1>pick and choose, they don't pick and choose. So yeah,

0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:40.799
<v Speaker 1>and thoughts with Dave. I know, the whole sky can

0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:45.000
<v Speaker 1>be wonderful man, with the Giants, fiery competitor. I respect

0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:47.560
<v Speaker 1>what the Eagles are doing as well, um, you know,

0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:50.520
<v Speaker 1>with their situation. So a lot going on in this uh,

0:54:51.080 --> 0:54:53.480
<v Speaker 1>losing somebody, a lot of things going on in the

0:54:53.520 --> 0:54:55.319
<v Speaker 1>world with other things as well. So we'll try and

0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:57.000
<v Speaker 1>make the best we can out, you know. Good for

0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:59.759
<v Speaker 1>the forty nine ers that they had the day for

0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Dwight Clark and we were there that Yeah, that was

0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the game we were at and you know, and you know,

0:55:07.440 --> 0:55:10.240
<v Speaker 1>the writing was on the wall. You just don't recover

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:14.000
<v Speaker 1>from als, Nope. And they had him in the box

0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:16.200
<v Speaker 1>there and he was able to kind of stand up

0:55:16.239 --> 0:55:21.319
<v Speaker 1>and be recognized and that video they did was just fabulous. Um.

0:55:21.840 --> 0:55:25.120
<v Speaker 1>And they were fortunate to have done a interview with

0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:28.520
<v Speaker 1>him early in that disease. So he was able to

0:55:28.760 --> 0:55:31.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of speak that way, but it was it was

0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:35.239
<v Speaker 1>pretty powerful. Sorry, real quick, But for recent fans of

0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:38.240
<v Speaker 1>the NFL and for football, when you think of the catch,

0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:41.719
<v Speaker 1>you think of Odell Beckham Jr. And maybe even some

0:55:41.800 --> 0:55:44.520
<v Speaker 1>fans mainly think of Dez Bryant and the catch that

0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:47.920
<v Speaker 1>wasn't and how the catch rule has come to be

0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:52.120
<v Speaker 1>and the different things the NFLPA and the owners and

0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:56.279
<v Speaker 1>everybody has voted on. But Dwight Clark's the catch was

0:55:57.000 --> 0:55:59.319
<v Speaker 1>unbelievable and if you have a chance to YouTube it

0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:03.840
<v Speaker 1>and watch it, well what it did. It changed the

0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:07.680
<v Speaker 1>course of history for two franchise, absolutely did, because San

0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Francisco had never been to the Super Bowl never, and

0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:13.160
<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys were getting ready to go for the sixth time.

0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah uh, And and we saw what happened to the

0:56:17.320 --> 0:56:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys in the eighties, and the San Francisco forty nine

0:56:20.760 --> 0:56:22.799
<v Speaker 1>Ers took over as a team of the eighties when

0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:26.120
<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys were basically sharing the team of the seventies

0:56:26.120 --> 0:56:28.520
<v Speaker 1>with the Pittsburgh Steelers, right, I mean, they went to

0:56:28.640 --> 0:56:32.120
<v Speaker 1>five Super Bowls in a decade and they were getting

0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:35.200
<v Speaker 1>ready to go to their sixth until he pulls in

0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:37.640
<v Speaker 1>that catch Dwight. I met him he was the general

0:56:37.640 --> 0:56:40.000
<v Speaker 1>manager for the Cleveland Browns when I was in scouting

0:56:40.239 --> 0:56:45.080
<v Speaker 1>and he I went up, introduced myself to him, and

0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I said, you know, I cried the day you caught

0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:51.440
<v Speaker 1>that ball. Being a cowboy fan, Yeah, I cried. And

0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:53.479
<v Speaker 1>he goes, well, you know, Joe was trying to throw

0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:55.719
<v Speaker 1>it away, and you know we got lucky and all

0:56:55.760 --> 0:56:58.279
<v Speaker 1>that and to this. And then I would see him

0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:01.840
<v Speaker 1>at other meetings, at other functions. He would go, hey, Brian,

0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I caught that ball. Yeah, still caught him And I go,

0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:09.719
<v Speaker 1>you caught it so yeah, And Joe Montana would never

0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:14.839
<v Speaker 1>admit he was trying to throw Those words have never

0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:16.919
<v Speaker 1>come out of Montana. Yeah, he was trying to throw

0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:20.240
<v Speaker 1>it away. So yeah, that's a tough loss, really tough

0:57:20.280 --> 0:57:23.400
<v Speaker 1>loss for years old. Yeah, I know, so young. But

0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:26.720
<v Speaker 1>we are we're moving into a new season. Obviously, new shows,

0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:29.600
<v Speaker 1>new different things. We have your Deep Blues coming up

0:57:29.680 --> 0:57:33.800
<v Speaker 1>with Parcels and some other storylines. Yeah, really excited about that.

0:57:33.920 --> 0:57:36.680
<v Speaker 1>You should be, yeah, Ken and really all the Deep Blues.

0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:39.600
<v Speaker 1>We got some really good stories to tell and uh,

0:57:40.880 --> 0:57:43.200
<v Speaker 1>some fun interviews and trying to peel back the curtain

0:57:43.240 --> 0:57:46.040
<v Speaker 1>things people haven't seen, you know. That's that's our goal

0:57:46.080 --> 0:57:48.120
<v Speaker 1>is to try to tell some stories that isn't a

0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:50.760
<v Speaker 1>rehash of previous stuff, which there are a lot of

0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:55.640
<v Speaker 1>stories around this building and around this history of not Yeah,

0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:58.160
<v Speaker 1>that's what's great about it. Yeah, there's as endless you

0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:00.680
<v Speaker 1>can have a brainstorming session for months. Yeah, and then

0:58:00.720 --> 0:58:03.120
<v Speaker 1>it goes into deeper ones. I mean you're talking about

0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:05.720
<v Speaker 1>leon Lett earlier, great and deep blue on him that

0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea this amazing life story. So great stuff. Yeah, yeah,

0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:14.760
<v Speaker 1>look forward to that preseason time. Yes, start rolling those

0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:17.560
<v Speaker 1>out all right, guys, Well, thank you for my final

0:58:17.640 --> 0:58:20.600
<v Speaker 1>talking Cowboys and Bill Joins will join you next week.

0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:23.600
<v Speaker 1>And as Mickey said, the last show before you guys

0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:28.720
<v Speaker 1>break for training camp, what are we gonna do? Wouldn't

0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:31.720
<v Speaker 1>want it to end on any other way side. We

0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:36.960
<v Speaker 1>love you today. This has been a production of Dallas

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