Speaker 1: This He's talking Cowboys, streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 1: Brian Brats, Rob Phillips, and Taylor Stern. Welcome everybody into
Speaker 1: the s WBC Mortgage studio. It is week three of
Speaker 1: OTAs here and how are you guys doing. I know
Speaker 1: it's OTA's it's media days. We've got Cowboys you on Thursday.
Speaker 1: How's everyone. It's a busy week. It feels like a
Speaker 1: regular season. All the work we got going today, it
Speaker 1: does through Wednesday at least. Mickey has about as many
Speaker 1: papers as he would in the regular season. Didn't feel
Speaker 1: like an off season to me. Not this week. Nope,
Speaker 1: no game season. No. I mean, but you know a
Speaker 1: lot of good content too with the stuff, with the
Speaker 1: access who are having with the players. Really excited about
Speaker 1: the things that we're doing with Taylor, the tape and
Speaker 1: I know some most Cowboys is doing some things. Mike
Speaker 1: Marshall working on some things for the television side with
Speaker 1: Lindsey Draper. So yeah, it's good to have these players
Speaker 1: in that kind of setting that you kind of can
Speaker 1: ask them a little bit different questions. I'm really. I
Speaker 1: love the tale of the tape things that we're doing,
Speaker 1: the fact breaking down a play with the guys going
Speaker 1: back and kind of getting an idea what they were thinking.
Speaker 1: I thought working with Jeff Heath yesterday was a lot
Speaker 1: of fun just because of that play made in the
Speaker 1: Oakland game, you know, to save it, and kind of
Speaker 1: what he was seeing and thinking and the goat play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that'll be on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. I mean,
Speaker 1: like Mickey said, not much for an offseason. We'll keep
Speaker 1: putting that stuff out for you that it hasn't been well. Today,
Speaker 1: on today's show, I want to get into what Zeke
Speaker 1: said last week, what Stephen Jones said about the Zach
Speaker 1: Martin situation, and then we got to hear it from
Speaker 1: Paul Alexander. Mickey told you guys a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago about his ketchup test and he got asked about
Speaker 1: that a little bit further. And then we'll have some
Speaker 1: fun with Rob's Twitter poll of the backup quarterback, which
Speaker 1: I think will always be a lively, lively, fun debated forgive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you still have time, you do it. Yes, Yes, I
Speaker 1: know how to do it. I'll show you at the break.
Speaker 1: What's the what's the poll? Can you can you? Can
Speaker 1: you give us a little yeah chromo of the poll? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I tagged you and it tagged in it. But hey,
Speaker 1: that's okay, quick, simple question. Who's going to be the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback to DAC this year? Don't get into did
Speaker 1: you come up with four choices? I came up with three? Three? Oh,
Speaker 1: and that's all I'm going to tell you. So oh,
Speaker 1: I know, I know what the third one is. No,
Speaker 1: you don't, Yes, I do, no break? All right, Well,
Speaker 1: getting into it last week, of course, Eze Gillett during
Speaker 1: the first week, everyone was excited to see him getting
Speaker 1: back out. They're excited for a full slated sixteen game season.
Speaker 1: Knock on wood as we sit here today, and he
Speaker 1: brought up something that I wanted to ask you guys about.
Speaker 1: Of course, everyone's talking about the Dak Friendly and we're
Speaker 1: not getting into that. That is not what this conversation
Speaker 1: is about. But yes, big deeper right there. But he
Speaker 1: did say, we got a couple of new wrinkles in
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, we're going to
Speaker 1: be the Dallas Cowboys we've been the past couple of
Speaker 1: years and try to establish the running game with that
Speaker 1: dominant offensive line and make big plays. Obviously keyword, dominant
Speaker 1: offensive line. Who is he you know, who can really
Speaker 1: help him return to that? You know, Nicky's been saying
Speaker 1: this all along that the problems, one of the problems
Speaker 1: you had last year was the offensive line, the health
Speaker 1: of the offensive line. You know, I'm I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to seeing it. We've got a little taste of it
Speaker 1: because of him starting as the left guard. I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to seeing once they put on the pads what
Speaker 1: they really have in Connor Williams, the youth and how yeah,
Speaker 1: and how he can you know, is he the guy
Speaker 1: that is he the guy that can solidify that left
Speaker 1: that left guard spot? Excuse me? Now, Ken as a
Speaker 1: young guy, can he make you know, hard to say this,
Speaker 1: but can he make Tyrant Smith better? You know? Can
Speaker 1: he make Travis Frederick better? He's got that kind of
Speaker 1: talent to where, you know, when you plug him in
Speaker 1: a way we go. But I'm looking forward to this.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the pads, the offensive line. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to Ezekiellett putting a lot of things behind
Speaker 1: him with the off the field stuff and then just
Speaker 1: going out and finding ways to move this football. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up Connor Williams because, as you
Speaker 1: guys know, he played at Texas and his head coach
Speaker 1: was Tom Herman for a year or so. But before that,
Speaker 1: Tom Herman was actually a Zekie Elliott's offensive coordinator. And
Speaker 1: if you guys followed Zeke Elliot's college career, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure most football fans did, you saw how close he
Speaker 1: was to the Ohio State lineman, calling them the slobs.
Speaker 1: They kind of had this, you know, mutual understanding of
Speaker 1: their love for each other, and you've seen Zeke do
Speaker 1: that before. So I wonder how that age just kind
Speaker 1: of having the same feel of what Tom Herman was
Speaker 1: able to bring to them in college. Six degrees of separation.
Speaker 1: The guy can help himself by playing sixteen games, that's true.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was nothing wrong with the running game
Speaker 1: last year. Even though Jonathan Cooper was playing left guard.
Speaker 1: He almost rushed for a thousand yards in ten games.
Speaker 1: So to me, when he was on the field, it
Speaker 1: was dominant. The problem was he missed six games and
Speaker 1: then they missed Tyrn Smith. So um, I mean the
Speaker 1: Broncos game sticks out to me though, Well, that was
Speaker 1: the second what second game of the season. Yeah, Broncos,
Speaker 1: no one played well that game. It wasn't just the
Speaker 1: running game, it was the entire team. It was one
Speaker 1: of those games. It happens. But the rest of the season,
Speaker 1: when he was on the field, he was still pretty
Speaker 1: good and they still ran the ball awfully. Well. The
Speaker 1: problem was the six games he missed. Yeah, I'll take
Speaker 1: it one step further though, because to Bryant's point, I
Speaker 1: think Connor Williams I'm I'm bullish on him. I feel
Speaker 1: like he can get this thing back solidified, and not
Speaker 1: just the left guard position. It allows le Collins potentially
Speaker 1: to stay at right tackle, where I thought he had
Speaker 1: a solid season, got better as the season went along.
Speaker 1: And then you bring in a guy with Super Bowl experience,
Speaker 1: Cameron Fleming, who can be your swing tackle. And then
Speaker 1: that's the domino effect where if Tyrn Smith does miss
Speaker 1: some time, here's a guy with a little more experience,
Speaker 1: a little better track record as a swing tackle candidate.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I agree with that, But you're hoping Cameron
Speaker 1: Fleming doesn't have to play? No, absolutely no, But I'm
Speaker 1: sit there on paper, I feel better about that situation
Speaker 1: than I did. Absolutely, but Williams helps that by being here,
Speaker 1: so dos Paul Alexander. He said to me, it's like
Speaker 1: I've gone to heaven. It's the most beautiful football situation
Speaker 1: I've ever been in. No offence too since now Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was he was there what O line coach
Speaker 1: for twenty three years, So I mean that's saying something.
Speaker 1: But hey, when you step into a job where you're
Speaker 1: coaching three Pro bowlers who have been All pros at
Speaker 1: some point, that's pretty good. Well, and like you guys
Speaker 1: are saying, there's a perfect blend of veterans and youth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he pointed out a potential fourth. He's big on
Speaker 1: Laoe Collins. But by the way, yeah, yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: it's it's easy low Collins. I mean he's the one guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You're kind of watching him in these practices and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. He seems like that A like you said,
Speaker 1: Taylor very happy that he didn't have to move B
Speaker 1: is that he could build on what he was able
Speaker 1: to do last year. I haven't seen any real struggle
Speaker 1: with him. Sometimes you see some breakdowns other people, but
Speaker 1: it's not with him. He seems to be right back
Speaker 1: to where he was at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: Could this wide receiver crew help help Ezekiel it better? Well,
Speaker 1: absolutely it needs to, because if they don't find a
Speaker 1: way to effectively throw the football or you know, or
Speaker 1: guys get open. And Mickey likes to talk about this,
Speaker 1: and he could be absolutely right. Could people just stack
Speaker 1: the box and say okay, and and they've run against
Speaker 1: some stack boxes before, but how consistently can they run
Speaker 1: against stack boxes? If in fact that none of these
Speaker 1: receivers step up and give them anything on the outside
Speaker 1: to be a threat. That's that you know. I made
Speaker 1: a comment about the offensive line and the young guys
Speaker 1: and all that and looking forward to that, but also
Speaker 1: the receivers. I mean if if if they don't figure
Speaker 1: that out, that could be that could be very problematic
Speaker 1: for this team moving the football. Not only not only
Speaker 1: trying to run it, but if it gets into situation
Speaker 1: whether they're in some those long yarded situations or mediu
Speaker 1: marriage situations, and you got guys that aren't getting open,
Speaker 1: then they're not moving. The sticks to TBD to be determined. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: not just the rookies, it's just unknown. Look at what's
Speaker 1: out there right now. Yeah, you don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't even have Terrence Williams out there right right now,
Speaker 1: is still rehabbing from the surgery. It's interesting, you know,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones has admitted, Look, we don't have a quote
Speaker 1: unquote number one guy this year. It's not going to
Speaker 1: be a Julio Jones hunter catches. That's not Luya's offense
Speaker 1: is designed anyway. I do think you need somebody to
Speaker 1: step up and draw double teams and and and create
Speaker 1: some attention every snap down to down. But I think
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Alan Hearns because this is a guy
Speaker 1: that's had a thousand yards season in his career on
Speaker 1: the outside as an ex receiver. But I think you
Speaker 1: gotta take it another step and say they just need
Speaker 1: two or three wide receivers to like Brian said, just
Speaker 1: be reliable, get open and take advantage of one on ones.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, now you have an
Speaker 1: offense that defenses have to account for every guy. And
Speaker 1: I don't think that was really the case last year.
Speaker 1: There was, you know, they needed their receivers to do
Speaker 1: a better job getting open consistently. Who is the best
Speaker 1: receiver on this team? But we did a top ten
Speaker 1: on that a couple of weeks ago. Didn't Did you
Speaker 1: vote on the top ten? I did? First? Yeah Beasley, Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. I put Hearns because of his one great,
Speaker 1: really good season, Jacks Beasley's one great season. I put
Speaker 1: Beasley number two. Yeah. See, that's that's the thing. And
Speaker 1: now you're saying, Okay, is your slot receiver and I
Speaker 1: the good old air quotations for slot receiver, he's your
Speaker 1: best receiver. What does that tell you? That tell you something?
Speaker 1: Should we? Should we be like? And nothing? It gets
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley because I love the guy. I think they
Speaker 1: kind of get him going when you're talking about his
Speaker 1: best season. And correct me if I'm wrong, Mick, but
Speaker 1: you're probably referring more to twenty and sixteen obviously, right, Well,
Speaker 1: you can't catches and sixteen. You look at that and
Speaker 1: you you still have the Dez Bryant, even though he's
Speaker 1: dealing with injuries. You you had a more veteran player
Speaker 1: that was on this team for a year quarterback. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying is that, you know, looking at
Speaker 1: him an not looking at his relationship with Dak it
Speaker 1: seemed like the obvious connection. It's it just appeared that
Speaker 1: in watching the games we all did, it just appeared
Speaker 1: that defensive coordinators were not going to let Cole Beasley
Speaker 1: beat them in these games. And that's my worry going
Speaker 1: into this season. Defense. There's a different there's a different
Speaker 1: element though. They got to worry about handing the ball
Speaker 1: to Zeke now in the middle. Right, you can't devote
Speaker 1: that linebacker to back at him when he's in the slot.
Speaker 1: And we're not so sure he's always going to be
Speaker 1: in the slot, by the way. Yeah, we've been paying attention.
Speaker 1: We absolutely have been paying attention. Were they were taking him,
Speaker 1: You're right, but they were taking Beasley out or trying
Speaker 1: to before Zee got suspended too. They were somehow averaging
Speaker 1: twenty eight points a game. Well I know that, but
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Beasley, whatever his numbers were, somebody was
Speaker 1: doing something right. Yeah. Yeah, And maybe Tavon Austin is
Speaker 1: another element there. A guy that you got to account
Speaker 1: for in space can be a mismatch guy. You know.
Speaker 1: I heard an interview today this morning with Dion and
Speaker 1: I normally don't hardly ever agree with anything he says,
Speaker 1: and he was asked about No Dez, where they going
Speaker 1: with these wide receiver corps, and he goes, can we
Speaker 1: can we just call Dez and make up and say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, we changed our mind, he said. But
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen, he said, So what they have now,
Speaker 1: this offensive coordinator needs to be more creative to get
Speaker 1: all these parts involved because he doesn't have one guy
Speaker 1: to just lean on it. Do you think that's what
Speaker 1: Zeke met with the wrinkles. Oh, I'm absolutely sure. With
Speaker 1: adding Tavon Austin whatever he's gonna do. Alan hearns. You
Speaker 1: know Rob mentioned he had him number one. Well a
Speaker 1: lot of times he's in the slot. So they can
Speaker 1: move these guys around, play all three positions. Yeah, um Thompson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got more speed than they've had it. Oh no,
Speaker 1: yeahceiver absolutely And as I keep saying, don't go to
Speaker 1: sleep on Gallop, Yeah, you know he may need three
Speaker 1: or four. Don't go to sleep on him. So that
Speaker 1: they've got at this kind of group there, Uh that
Speaker 1: you know if but he was right, Dion was right.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to be creative to how they mix
Speaker 1: all this together. See that's the thing that worries me
Speaker 1: now because you're saying Dion, who you're right, make you
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I have one foot in
Speaker 1: the parking lot on him a lot of the times.
Speaker 1: That's okay. He probably has both feeding the parking lot
Speaker 1: on me. That's all right, no problem with that, we're
Speaker 1: even there. But I just kind of wonder, creativity wise,
Speaker 1: is can you be a creative coach and run the football?
Speaker 1: Or and hear me outand no, I mean if your
Speaker 1: team is about lining up in twelve personnel or maybe
Speaker 1: even some eleven personnel stuff. But can you be creative
Speaker 1: if your identity is running the football? I think so.
Speaker 1: I think you can do it with formations. You can
Speaker 1: do it with packages that you're not just standard two
Speaker 1: tight ends, two wide receiver and a running back, because
Speaker 1: I don't know that they want well, I'm sure they're
Speaker 1: not going to throw the two tight end package out right, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. If if you had to pick
Speaker 1: two tight end ends, well, who's going to be on
Speaker 1: the field? What I got? Well, right now it's Swam
Speaker 1: and Jarwin. Yeah, those are the two guys, all right,
Speaker 1: and not exactly you know God's gift to blocking, by
Speaker 1: the way, that's fair assessment. So you know, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna run with two tight ends, somebody's got to do
Speaker 1: the blocking. God's gift to blocks gift. But well, if
Speaker 1: she'd Stanford is what she should. Joe and Flower Mound
Speaker 1: be worried about creativity, I think, well, what you've seen, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's that's fair and I and I mean because,
Speaker 1: but creativity could be that Scott Linahan is not being
Speaker 1: created because he's because Ezekiel It just told you, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get back to running the football. No, but
Speaker 1: there's different ways to do it. Yeah, And there's different
Speaker 1: ways to create the lessen the confusion in the middle
Speaker 1: of the field by your second teeth, Micky does that
Speaker 1: wide receiver more wide receiver and the rounds um you
Speaker 1: added a guy who can be creative with and Austin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a guy that's a chest like that one. Huh. Well,
Speaker 1: I think you can find a role for him. Now.
Speaker 1: He's got to be productive, all right, but you can
Speaker 1: do a lot of different things with him because he
Speaker 1: hangs to the ball. We think that guy, do we
Speaker 1: think that head coach in Los Angeles is a pretty
Speaker 1: creative guy? Do you think that just because of the
Speaker 1: pieces he has or the pieces. Why do you specifically
Speaker 1: think I'm thinking that because I've watched I watched a
Speaker 1: quarterback just get thirty million dollars a year in Minnesota
Speaker 1: that never went to a playoff, never did anything, you know,
Speaker 1: But what did they do against the Cowboys? Offensively? Always
Speaker 1: found a way to move the football. Yeah, they're always
Speaker 1: found a way that you say, does that say something
Speaker 1: about the player? I'm worried a little bit about I
Speaker 1: like what you're saying about Tavon Austin. I'm worried a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, I'm worried that maybe Scott lind Han's
Speaker 1: attitude and it might not be his fault, it might
Speaker 1: be his attitude is No, he got creative in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: he got creative in Detroit. He's come here though, they
Speaker 1: draft to sequel Elliott for Tony Romo, but has to
Speaker 1: get a quarterback ready. So what does he do? He
Speaker 1: plays play action, he plays waggle, he plays boot. We
Speaker 1: see the guy get the Rookie of the Year, and
Speaker 1: then you're thinking like, yeah, yeah, and I'm with Mickey,
Speaker 1: I think he I think he does have to get
Speaker 1: more creative, but maybe it's not his DNA With this
Speaker 1: current teams though that I think you've brought up on
Speaker 1: this show, particularly is Sanjay Law. You have brought up
Speaker 1: the fact that you believe he's passing game Moses. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: you think that he's a creative guy from what you've seen.
Speaker 1: Al And let's remember about Tavon Austin. He played most
Speaker 1: of the last year with a risk that needed surgery. Okay,
Speaker 1: look at his numbers the year before hurt his knee.
Speaker 1: He says in preseason. Oh no, I look at the
Speaker 1: numbers in the year before. I would sit there. I'm
Speaker 1: with you. I'm just saying though that I have a
Speaker 1: I have a out of respect just watching the Redskins
Speaker 1: play the Cowboys all those times, and that guy thrown
Speaker 1: for damn near five hundred yards every time, and he
Speaker 1: seemed like he was throwing the Jamison Crowder and Pierre
Speaker 1: Grossan and Jordan Read and it always seemed like there
Speaker 1: was something going on. And then this kid, he sees
Speaker 1: McVeigh come in and maybe the fact that he was
Speaker 1: so banged up, but they just basically gave up on
Speaker 1: him though. They gave up on him. No, no, they
Speaker 1: gave him away. Yeah, they just gave away. But but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying though they couldn't afford him after all
Speaker 1: the people they're out And I'm not trying to hammer
Speaker 1: Scott Nahan here, but I'm but his mindset might be
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run this football forty six percent. That's what
Speaker 1: Zeke saying is we got a line that hey, just okay,
Speaker 1: try and stop us. We're gonna line up and we're
Speaker 1: gonna run you over for four quarters. That's that's Zeke's philosophy. Um.
Speaker 1: I go back to Alan Hernston in the passing game.
Speaker 1: I feel like because we watched the play of him
Speaker 1: this morning. I watched with you for tail the tape
Speaker 1: and yeah, Jacksonville, and he very doeslike just give him
Speaker 1: give me six just watching him run. My whole argument
Speaker 1: gave sixty nine catches. He does numbers from last year.
Speaker 1: Can he do that, say he catches six touchdowns? I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think you should um equate running the ball
Speaker 1: better with running the ball more. You can run the
Speaker 1: ball better and be more productive with Zeke on the field,
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean he's got to have thirty carries a game.
Speaker 1: The problem last year was when he wasn't on the field,
Speaker 1: they had nobody to threaten the back end of the defense. Guy.
Speaker 1: How many carries did he get last year? How did
Speaker 1: Alfred Moore's average almost the same amount of yards but
Speaker 1: he didn't average touchdowns? See that's the that's okay. And
Speaker 1: where's he at now? Oh no, I'm still a free agent? Right,
Speaker 1: So that tells you what not only teams think about him,
Speaker 1: but probably tells you what defensive coordinators thought he did
Speaker 1: and threatened them. God bless him. He served a great
Speaker 1: purpose here, great God right for sure. Oh, you can
Speaker 1: never say a bad word about him. But no one's
Speaker 1: picked him up. Yeah, and the Cowboys he was their
Speaker 1: lead dude. No one's picked up des Brian either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are your two lead dudes on offense. And they're
Speaker 1: still sitting there right now. As Brian would say, m Yeah,
Speaker 1: NFL is a strange lady. All right, Well, we're going
Speaker 1: to take our first break. When we come back, we
Speaker 1: are going to tell you where has Zach Martin been,
Speaker 1: When might we see him? Who else has been missing
Speaker 1: for Motier's and what can we see from them in
Speaker 1: the future. So join us when we come back right
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Speaker 1: week of OTAs, next week is mini camp, then they
Speaker 1: break for the summer. We all know how Brian feels
Speaker 1: about that. Not a big fan of their schedule. The
Speaker 1: full schedule has been released. We posted about it on
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot com last week. They leave out for
Speaker 1: training camp Oxnard Point Magoo on July twenty fourth, and
Speaker 1: they will anticipate to return on August seventeenth, so they
Speaker 1: have some time off. But until then we're at training
Speaker 1: or we're at OTAs and we're at mini camp. And
Speaker 1: of course no Zach Martin so far through the OTAs
Speaker 1: obviously everything with the contract, but Stephen Jones, of course,
Speaker 1: echoing the message that no one wants him here more
Speaker 1: than they do. But can we anticipate that it will
Speaker 1: be done before training camp? What are you guys really
Speaker 1: feeling in your gut. I don't have a feeling on
Speaker 1: that anymore. I thought it was gonna get done last summer.
Speaker 1: I still think it's going to get done before the
Speaker 1: start of this season. Would probably be my gut because
Speaker 1: last year Zach decided I just want to focus on
Speaker 1: the season, which seems smart. Yeah, I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: his right, So I think if following that logic, but
Speaker 1: they would push to get something done by the end
Speaker 1: of preseason. Um, I don't know that's going to happen.
Speaker 1: But the fact that we've heard he's been working out
Speaker 1: here even though he's not participating in the OTAs, I
Speaker 1: don't consider this like a quote unquote holdout or something
Speaker 1: where it's contentious at all. So that's good, dude. You
Speaker 1: know that's a good sign. He's under contract, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: so he'll be here next week. He will be mandatory.
Speaker 1: Will he practice, Yeah, maybe not, maybe not, but he'll
Speaker 1: be here out there. Can he choose that or would
Speaker 1: I don't know if that they would force. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: not going to ask you, not going to get a
Speaker 1: contentious thing. It's one of those things where you know,
Speaker 1: if they want to get this done too, they don't
Speaker 1: want to put him in a situation where he might
Speaker 1: you know, you'd get it'll be it'll be done by
Speaker 1: July twenty ninth. I think Searly in camp all right,
Speaker 1: because those first three days they can't put pads on
Speaker 1: right right, So twenty six, twenty seven, twenty he's on
Speaker 1: the plane. He's on the plane to well even if
Speaker 1: he's not a yeah, he's under contract, he's got a report. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: otherwise you're subjected to be fine. Yeah, I think this
Speaker 1: will get done. When Zach Martin tells his agent to
Speaker 1: get it done, that's yeah, because that's that's what Maybe
Speaker 1: this is what that's what's gonna happen. I mean, the
Speaker 1: whole thing is probably about structure. Well, how much guaranteed
Speaker 1: money are you giving me? We look kind of get
Speaker 1: you know, year guarantees. Stewing Radio the other day on
Speaker 1: one oh five three, and I kind of went through
Speaker 1: the top five guards. Zeitler and those guys, Gabe Jackson,
Speaker 1: people like that and all the ones that fans know
Speaker 1: so well. Yeah, but those guys are making an average
Speaker 1: of like twelve million dollars a year, you know, nor Vell. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think that it's gonna be this is gonna
Speaker 1: get done. When Zach Martin says, listen, Okay, that's a
Speaker 1: fair deal, let's do it. Yeah, I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are just you know, they yeah, they want to get
Speaker 1: it done. But I've made this mention before. This is
Speaker 1: a position that traditionally has not been paid until recently,
Speaker 1: and you're trying to figure out it seems like every
Speaker 1: time a guy signs a new deal at guard, a
Speaker 1: guy comes along and beats that deal. So you have
Speaker 1: to structure it in a way. Cowboys have got some
Speaker 1: situations too, where guys in the future, if you look forward,
Speaker 1: have got some contracts that they have to think about.
Speaker 1: So you have to make sure that not only for
Speaker 1: this year, but in coming years, that your situation is
Speaker 1: good enough to kind of make sure that you don't
Speaker 1: you can sign everybody that you need to sign. And so,
Speaker 1: but I do think I agree with Mickey. I think
Speaker 1: it's going to get done in training camp. But I
Speaker 1: do believe it's going to be when Zack Martin says
Speaker 1: to his agents, Okay, that's good enough. Let's put this
Speaker 1: behind us. It's a fair deal. Move on and come
Speaker 1: this week. They picked up three more million dollars in
Speaker 1: the salary cap. Right, the June one payoff for Orlando Scandron. Right,
Speaker 1: they get his base salary back, so you get three
Speaker 1: million dollars. They're not that they need more money for
Speaker 1: this year because if they signed him to a long
Speaker 1: term deal, his nine point three million dollars base salaries
Speaker 1: going to go down, right, and and it'll factor out
Speaker 1: that they'll I bet they cut that in half, so
Speaker 1: they'll pick up even some more money. Could they got
Speaker 1: draft class signed? Could they? Could they go ahead and
Speaker 1: say play under the current contract this year and then
Speaker 1: next year, you could if you wanted to. If you
Speaker 1: hadn't they feel like you had the rootten Yeah. What's
Speaker 1: his feeling on that? Does he want the security now? No? No?
Speaker 1: I think he's saying, signed the deal, signed the deal,
Speaker 1: but let him have nine point three millions, right, okay, right, right,
Speaker 1: because you have the room for no, right, absolutely? Yeah,
Speaker 1: just and then and then and then what you have
Speaker 1: to be careful though, if you give him a signing bonus.
Speaker 1: You don't want that to add on to nine point
Speaker 1: three million, right, So you would like to restructure that
Speaker 1: he's gonna make nine point three million this year, right somehow,
Speaker 1: some way right between signing bonus, how much they pay
Speaker 1: up front and then guarantees down the road, they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to get him somewhere between twelve and fourteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: Now do you want to pay him more than Tyron Smith? That,
Speaker 1: my friend, is the the way that contracts fall guard tackles.
Speaker 1: Though it doesn't. It's the timing of the whole. It's
Speaker 1: the timing. He came along at the right time in
Speaker 1: history where guards are now getting paid. So Tyron Smith
Speaker 1: is gonna deal. Now, Tyren Smith's going to figure out
Speaker 1: if okay, this lifetime deal that I just signed, how
Speaker 1: bad is that really for me? Now the problem he's
Speaker 1: running into, Tyron Smith is the health, his health, So
Speaker 1: now you can negotiate. Yeah, so I mean his if
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith is is of course Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl,
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl are are all pro and all that, But
Speaker 1: if it's now Tyren Smith's only playing twelve games, eleven games,
Speaker 1: then it becomes you don't really have a much of
Speaker 1: a leg to stand on right there, Tyron's twenty seven
Speaker 1: feels like he should be about thirty five. You know, this,
Speaker 1: this whole deal is kind of reminiscent of Greg Ellis
Speaker 1: signing that long term deal. Yes, and he was coming
Speaker 1: off a torn achilles, I believe, and he ended up
Speaker 1: signing seven year deal or something like that. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then what happened with it by the end of it.
Speaker 1: By the end of it, it was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is not very good, and which reminds I think I've
Speaker 1: told you guys this story before. We were talking about it.
Speaker 1: Pat summer All was part of the discussion, and I said, well,
Speaker 1: I said, you know what happened is he signed that
Speaker 1: deal and then all of a sudden, the contracts for
Speaker 1: the defensive ends exploded, right the salary cap went up.
Speaker 1: And I said, you know he, I mean, he's a
Speaker 1: little bit bitter about it, and he just came came
Speaker 1: along too soon, too soon, And summer All goes, we
Speaker 1: all came around too soon, meeting what he was getting
Speaker 1: paid to be an announcer and then what they're getting
Speaker 1: paid now. The other thing about that, too, is they
Speaker 1: moved him a linebacker, which he didn't want to do
Speaker 1: and that might yeah, and that might have fell into
Speaker 1: three fourth thing that could affect your asking power too,
Speaker 1: So you're earning power well anyway, but anyway that but yeah,
Speaker 1: Tyrn got like a ten year deal for you. When
Speaker 1: Tyron signed it was great, right, Yeah, Zach Martin is
Speaker 1: going to be the highest paid lineman for the count
Speaker 1: on July twenty ninth, exactly, by July, by July twenty ninth,
Speaker 1: sorry to put words your yes, all right, well could
Speaker 1: be tomorrow, that's by July twenty ninth. We're always right.
Speaker 1: So they're missing what eight eight guys if I countered right, well, guys, justices, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you've got him, right, Sean Lee, they're
Speaker 1: holding outst holding out right. Elie's still rehabbing from his
Speaker 1: shoulder surgery, right Looney from his wrist surgery. Right Lewis
Speaker 1: Neil has a hamstring. He's still rehabbing. We mentioned Tyron Williams,
Speaker 1: and then Terrence Williams. Terrence Williams, Tyrone Williams, it's okay,
Speaker 1: and then David Irving. Yes, so the last two names
Speaker 1: on there. I wanted to ask you guys this, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of tapers and Taper and Tapper injury. We'll
Speaker 1: see Suppose Lee wasn't that bad of a concussion. I
Speaker 1: hope not. I like the guy and I'd like to
Speaker 1: see him not actually be mine. All Right, this question
Speaker 1: bear with me because it sounds mean, but it's not
Speaker 1: intended to be mean. Mean today, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: be but I'm asking who do you think had a
Speaker 1: worse offseason, Terrence Williams or David Irving, because when you
Speaker 1: look at both of them, you know they both have
Speaker 1: such a great opportunity. Terrence Williams being the obvious one.
Speaker 1: You don't have Dez Bryan in front of you anymore.
Speaker 1: Go out there, show him what's up. You know you've
Speaker 1: been He posts on social media Moore and talks about
Speaker 1: this and what he can do. And you know, from
Speaker 1: the majority of his career he's been able to kind
Speaker 1: of understand his role on this team. He's had some flashes,
Speaker 1: some unbelievable catches. Obviously Seattle game sticks out in your mind,
Speaker 1: but it's just this offseason has not been going his
Speaker 1: way on the field with the injuries, and now you're
Speaker 1: looking at some different off the fields, and then you're
Speaker 1: looking at someone like David Irving, where you've known some
Speaker 1: different off the field situations. He's had the suspension, went
Speaker 1: through a whole contract thing where they're waiting to see
Speaker 1: if he was going to get tendered, went through that
Speaker 1: whole tender process. You've seen some different things on social
Speaker 1: media with his you know, family, and that's been unfortunate
Speaker 1: to see that play out. And then just now he
Speaker 1: needs to get back into shape. And I just don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, both of them. I just want to be like,
Speaker 1: why can't you just get Williams wouldn't be practicing anyway.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. I mean, he's just had
Speaker 1: a bad off season. The deal broke his fifth metatarsals,
Speaker 1: so he figure out how we did that? Was he
Speaker 1: running barefoot in the parking line? I don't There was
Speaker 1: three in the morning. I just I was wondering if
Speaker 1: you and your yeah, your newspaperman. Whenever he was doing out,
Speaker 1: there's paper man. But that's what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 1: even that, you know, it's just unfortunate. Some of these things.
Speaker 1: Of course they can't control. I think from a competition standpoint,
Speaker 1: there's a more glaring need for David Irving to get
Speaker 1: in there and settle this defensive tackle situation. Although when
Speaker 1: we talked about receiver, um needing to find a guy,
Speaker 1: and I think Williams has got some competition there, even
Speaker 1: though I think his experience is value yallup, he's right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but um boy, they need David Irving to step in
Speaker 1: there and play that three technique or something. You know,
Speaker 1: especially right now with Collins being hurt. You know, the
Speaker 1: depth there is not is not great. So I look
Speaker 1: at that more so than receiver, even though we don't
Speaker 1: have de fine roles at receiver yet. Well, he's he's
Speaker 1: opened the door for jehad Ward, who's played really well,
Speaker 1: and the stuff I've watched, yeah, he's been he's been
Speaker 1: a problem for these guards. And I know it's not
Speaker 1: Zack Martin playing there, but he's been a problem for
Speaker 1: Connor Williams. And and who has ever had to play
Speaker 1: right guard, whether it's Jad Green or Martin. Not not
Speaker 1: Zack Martin. But when you talk about John, you've mentioned
Speaker 1: that Will had a knife for him. Will McClay when
Speaker 1: coming Baron Ellie to Maryon Ellie put him an inside
Speaker 1: at tackle at Illinois. He was really an end and
Speaker 1: maryon Ellie kicked him inside and he's found him a
Speaker 1: pretty good player there. I like what I've seen so
Speaker 1: far from him, I really really do. And you know
Speaker 1: what the good part is, he's a happy camper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he won't say anything bad about Oakland, but he's darn
Speaker 1: glad to be out of there. Yeah, you didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to see what Gruden would bring or Vegas.
Speaker 1: They didn't give him a chance either, because if you remember,
Speaker 1: his rookie year wasn't all that bad for you know,
Speaker 1: where he was drafted and everything. We ask you, guys,
Speaker 1: this expected though, kind of from what we've known about
Speaker 1: David Irving in the past, is that is that one
Speaker 1: of the most unfulfilled so far careers. He's the potential.
Speaker 1: And what really nails home your point is that he
Speaker 1: will tell you that. He will say, look, I've done
Speaker 1: some stupid stuff back to college where I think he
Speaker 1: got kicked off the team, and yeah, he understands he's
Speaker 1: part of the reason why he doesn't have a long
Speaker 1: term deal. Yeah, I mean he'll admit it to you. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, he's got amazing talent. Amazing talent. He definitely
Speaker 1: was overweight. No, I don't know what he was doing.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't call him that. I'm the same way and
Speaker 1: then yeah, but Marion Nellie did. Okay, Marion Elly can
Speaker 1: call me that too. Yeah. And right now he's too fat, Bill,
Speaker 1: and he's got to take care of his personal life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if they're allowing him to kind
Speaker 1: of figure all that out and get all that straight
Speaker 1: before the season starts or not. But he's got to
Speaker 1: take care of that, and so I don't know if
Speaker 1: they've given him some leeway and we'll find out, right,
Speaker 1: but U you know, it sort of reminds me of
Speaker 1: somewhat Leon Let. Leon was always going to be that
Speaker 1: guy the next year, and then something would happen, you know,
Speaker 1: he'd he'd get hurt, he gets suspended, and it's like
Speaker 1: the season starts and then he'd get hurt and it's
Speaker 1: like he he was going to be this great Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl player six times, right, and it it just never happened.
Speaker 1: And there's kind of similarity in the way they play, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: kind of a unique frame and ability to play multiple spots,
Speaker 1: play inside. Yeah, And so that's a good comparison. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you hate to say it, but you know,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure Leon figures. You know, I just never
Speaker 1: really reached what I everybody thought I could have. Well,
Speaker 1: from what you're talking about with you know, have you
Speaker 1: are you surprised by this type of situation. No. I
Speaker 1: mean I remember after the Green Bay game and David Irving,
Speaker 1: you know, wins NFC Offensive Player of the Week, and
Speaker 1: you know, you bring up Marionelli. He's very honest about
Speaker 1: his guys, and I remember people are like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: what does this mean for him now? And he goes
Speaker 1: show me it again. You know, all that they wanted
Speaker 1: to see from him is the consistency in town. And
Speaker 1: you know, you see these flashes and then suspension, you
Speaker 1: see this and then something else, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: just show me consistency. I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: have been talking about DeMarcus Lawrence in this offseason, but
Speaker 1: he has to do the same thing. He has to
Speaker 1: have another consistent year of success. So unfortunately, you feel
Speaker 1: like though that Lawrence tracking up, Yes, absolutely, but David
Speaker 1: Irvin You're like, Okay, glad he's back. And then but
Speaker 1: you're like going, oh, I could just get him on
Speaker 1: the field and let him play sixteen games man average
Speaker 1: is like a sack of game. You know, it's incredible.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a player be more productive for as
Speaker 1: little time as he plays. He could have had he
Speaker 1: could have challenged Lawrence with a full season stand the
Speaker 1: concussion into year. It's incredible to see him play the
Speaker 1: way he does and then and then. But you look
Speaker 1: at reliability, that's all these front office and coaches want,
Speaker 1: and Taylor you even said it. It's it's that reliability. Well,
Speaker 1: do you trust him? The good thing is you know what?
Speaker 1: You know what he is? Right, right, you know what
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams is. So these OTAs, yeah, they're great, they're
Speaker 1: learning sessions, but you're given other guys a chance to
Speaker 1: find out a little bit more about before your hoards
Speaker 1: there you go, right, you're right, yeah, and there's other guys.
Speaker 1: There's other spots Daytone Jones more than those are your starters,
Speaker 1: war did Jones. You're two starters inside defensive end. Tacos
Speaker 1: getting more reps with the Marcus, Lawrence getting some rest days.
Speaker 1: So that's good for him. Oh my list just grew
Speaker 1: to ten now, Collins, I forgot he was out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted to keep growing it keeps growing here. I
Speaker 1: think about it, well, as long as it's not growing
Speaker 1: in training camp. Yeah, that's that's that's when we have
Speaker 1: those when we have those shows, we do and everybody's like,
Speaker 1: all right, Mickey fired through the injury report and then
Speaker 1: well that was a show that's very number one. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm I think we're all hopeful for David Irvin, but
Speaker 1: I think if I'm going into this camp, I'm skeptical.
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful, but skeptical. Is that right? Is that like
Speaker 1: an oxymoron? Am I? No? No? And you know what?
Speaker 1: And am I being a moron for thinking? I think
Speaker 1: when he finished the season last year, in the back
Speaker 1: of his mind it was like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm coming back. Yeah, you know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: they trust me. And it's my fault one thing concussion,
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, which he started the year with the
Speaker 1: suspension end of the game this year with four games
Speaker 1: out with the concussion. I'm with you with the hopeful part,
Speaker 1: because look, he's on a one year deal, he's got
Speaker 1: a lot to prove. He's he's a restricted free agent
Speaker 1: one year tender. He can hit the market next year
Speaker 1: and cash in with a big year, so he's got
Speaker 1: he's got a lot to play for. Absolutely. I like
Speaker 1: your hopeful optimism and figuring things out at training camp
Speaker 1: because I think that leads well into Rob's Twitter poll
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Speaker 1: important day. All right, well Rob's Twitter poll? All right,
Speaker 1: back to football. Who will be the backout quarterback this season? Mickey,
Speaker 1: you got three options, Cooper Rush, Mike White, the rookie,
Speaker 1: or an outside veteran currently not on this roster. That's
Speaker 1: what I knew. Was it gonna be the third choice
Speaker 1: to be determined? Um, it will start off with Cooper Rush,
Speaker 1: not saying that's how it's gonna end. Oh, the questions
Speaker 1: how's it gonna end? Oh? I thought it was who's
Speaker 1: gonna be the No. I mean, it'll start off with
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush during the season this season and then beware
Speaker 1: of what happened last year, keeping three, keeping Mike White. Yes,
Speaker 1: at this point, now we'll see what happens when the
Speaker 1: pads come on. Who else who's got a vote? He said,
Speaker 1: how is this going to end? Yeah? I guess, I guess.
Speaker 1: I mean when the season starts, and if you want
Speaker 1: to take it a step further, Okay, who's your number
Speaker 1: two behind Dak? Okay? Luckily. The beautiful thing about your
Speaker 1: Twitter pool, I think is the interaction we have from
Speaker 1: fans and a lot of times, you know, even though
Speaker 1: they vote, they also respond to everything that you know
Speaker 1: is going they do comments. Yeah, and I thought one
Speaker 1: in particular that I saw and I will have to
Speaker 1: find out the exact name. Someone said, start out with Rush,
Speaker 1: he gets traded for somebody out there. Then by week gate,
Speaker 1: Mike White is breathing down their neck. I'll often find
Speaker 1: this exactly because I was like, crazier thing the whole scenario. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was Victor. He said, they trade Rush before week one,
Speaker 1: and White will be breathing down Dak's neck by week
Speaker 1: week gate broad us is rights is right, Hu, I
Speaker 1: like Mike White. I still think Cooper Rush is going
Speaker 1: to be the backup quarterback though I do. Yeah, Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush though he's kind of one of those guys, but
Speaker 1: I think that he is. There was really no pressure
Speaker 1: on him last year. The way he came into training camp.
Speaker 1: They gave him. They gave him the reps he took.
Speaker 1: He was able to make those good. He went into games,
Speaker 1: he was very productive. He was one of the most
Speaker 1: productive quarterbacks, you know, young quarterbacks in the league. If
Speaker 1: you just look at the preseason game. I think he
Speaker 1: led the matters the NFL and all the statistical categories.
Speaker 1: So I think he will once again be your backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: But I think now he does have some pressure on him.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to have to perform as well
Speaker 1: or better than what he did when he made this
Speaker 1: football team last year. You know, they obviously like Mike White.
Speaker 1: You know, Mike White is a guy that and I
Speaker 1: don't I hope I'm not blowing smoke up everybody's rear
Speaker 1: about this, but you know, Mike White is a you
Speaker 1: know on my board was I had him as a
Speaker 1: higher grade than Dak Prescott. If you look at the
Speaker 1: two as evaluations, think, Mike why, whether it's here somewhere else,
Speaker 1: will be a starting quarterback in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: I just don't think he will be this year. So
Speaker 1: did they have a fourth quarterback last year in training camp?
Speaker 1: Or was just three of them? And I was okay, Kelly,
Speaker 1: they had they had remember three? They had the quarterback
Speaker 1: from Florida that they couldn't take a snap he was
Speaker 1: cut by the Yeah, he was covering. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think they went to Yeah, I think they went the three.
Speaker 1: They went with three, so there was no one if
Speaker 1: they were going to keep three, right, Oh no, no, No,
Speaker 1: they had the veteran guy. The veteran they brought in
Speaker 1: the veteran guy. One of them accounts, Yeah, one of
Speaker 1: them accounts. Luke McCown remember one of the accounts came
Speaker 1: in halfway through said more than just a camp half yeah,
Speaker 1: halfway he's oh, that's right, that's right. We were. We
Speaker 1: were an Oxnard. He was coming in an Oxnard when
Speaker 1: we were getting ready to leave. Because he was a
Speaker 1: lot skinnier and he was right part of the time,
Speaker 1: and then he got They got him off the couch.
Speaker 1: Remember the game two hundred and fifty thousand, Get off
Speaker 1: the couch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, So anyway, I felt
Speaker 1: like though again with for Rush, no real pressure on him,
Speaker 1: and he was able to perform. Well, He's got some
Speaker 1: pressure on him now because Mike White. But Mike White
Speaker 1: needs to perform well too. They're not give Mike White
Speaker 1: that job. But if they're gonna go for a young
Speaker 1: movement and both those guys are young, I should do
Speaker 1: Like Mike White, Well, we're gonna get a chance to
Speaker 1: see them, especially in preseason because I can't imagine they're
Speaker 1: gonna play Dak Nope that much, although they need to
Speaker 1: with all the new wide receivers. So you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to find a happy balance. That's what training camps for
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, what I need is I don't need
Speaker 1: any of these receivers knock on wood to not get
Speaker 1: I don't need any hamstrings. I don't need you to
Speaker 1: miss any time. I need everybody out there. You got
Speaker 1: to evaluate. I need everybody out there. I need your
Speaker 1: running routes against those young corners. So I think they're
Speaker 1: pretty good. I need I need Byron Jones to get
Speaker 1: some work out there, you know, Alan Hearns. I need
Speaker 1: you practice and every day. You know, Gallop, I need
Speaker 1: you practicing every day. I am trying to evaluate my
Speaker 1: team here, so hopefully they can stay through the injuries.
Speaker 1: I said before, I worry about this this month off
Speaker 1: they have after this is all over with, I worry
Speaker 1: about that. But that's just me. You gotta vote. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's I was. I was going more with the fans.
Speaker 1: I liked what they said. I think I think as
Speaker 1: it stands right now, Cooper Rush and then you know,
Speaker 1: it's just a way. The way it happens at training
Speaker 1: camp is bizarre. You know what happened, I'll never be
Speaker 1: able to truly understand it. Then, when we watched what
Speaker 1: happened with Dak throughout that training camp, I mean, you
Speaker 1: guys know this and anybody who else has been out
Speaker 1: to Alex and if you haven't, highly recommend going out there.
Speaker 1: It's a great experience. Um but I mean I remember
Speaker 1: we were out there and you're standing there and you
Speaker 1: guys know when the big players come out, you hear it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the first few days Dak was out there throwing
Speaker 1: the football. I don't think anyone really cared or noticed him.
Speaker 1: By the end of that camp, there were a lot
Speaker 1: of cheers. Yeah, it's great we watched history. I mean,
Speaker 1: just bad luck for Kellen Moore. But you know, Cream
Speaker 1: usually rises to the top anyway eventually, because now he
Speaker 1: has a great job in the NFL. He does he's
Speaker 1: coaching these guys. Um the fans Agrieve sixty nine percent,
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush twenty nine percent. Mike White. I think nobody
Speaker 1: feels like they're going young at quarterback, so nobody really voted.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry the percentage were okay, and Jays made it no. Look, man,
Speaker 1: we're gonna try to develop young guys instead of going
Speaker 1: with vets who are probably knows. It's good that it's
Speaker 1: good that the fan base understands now about trying to
Speaker 1: get the young quarterback developed. It's like they're not waving
Speaker 1: that flag as yeah, oh there's veterans out there, you
Speaker 1: gotta bring them in. I think I think that we've
Speaker 1: seen the problems that they've had trying to trade and
Speaker 1: sign and do everything to get a veteran quarterback here.
Speaker 1: I think I think the fans had enough. I think
Speaker 1: they've had enough of that. Hey, if you're gonna if
Speaker 1: we're gonna go down, let's go down swinging with a
Speaker 1: young guy. Let's play with Cooper Rush. Let's throw Mike
Speaker 1: White out there. Heck Dak Prescott young keep throwing him out.
Speaker 1: He tried. We they Jeff Castle. Yeah, work didn't work.
Speaker 1: All right. Well, before we move on anymore, you guys
Speaker 1: are getting a great veteran in my seat starting next week.
Speaker 1: His name Bill Jones. I'm sure most Cowboys fans, most
Speaker 1: listeners to this podcast. He will be taking over as
Speaker 1: I transition more into my role as content strategists, spending
Speaker 1: more time, and I know everyone loves the meetings. So
Speaker 1: thank you guys. Thanks to everyone who's listened, who's tweeted,
Speaker 1: who's played along with Rob's Twitter pool, Mickey's minute. We've
Speaker 1: had good times on this show. So Bill Jones will
Speaker 1: do a great job. But I do ask all of
Speaker 1: you guys, as you keep okay, Ken, thank you though,
Speaker 1: thank you. Ket ket has always produced the best podcast.
Speaker 1: But as you guys keep going and we're trying to
Speaker 1: continually improve our content. As brought us brought up at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, tale of the Tape, different
Speaker 1: things like that tweet at me, let me know, I
Speaker 1: can share it with some people. We can get some
Speaker 1: more ideas flowing. Because when you just get it out
Speaker 1: there and share what you want to see, we can
Speaker 1: probably help you get that. We're lucky enough here. So
Speaker 1: thank you, guys, and oh, thank you Jay for which
Speaker 1: did I mean? Uh, We've we've been together more than
Speaker 1: any I mean, I know you and Bill originally start
Speaker 1: this this thing a long time ago, so on television,
Speaker 1: on television even so, but no, I do appreciate Tay
Speaker 1: your enthusiasm for the job. To try and get us
Speaker 1: all on the same page is not an easy thing
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, So Bill's gonna come in for one
Speaker 1: show and then yeah, and then you're going to training.
Speaker 1: Came then we're going to figure it out crazy schedule.
Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna introduce him three old men and
Speaker 1: a young man more show. It was. It was just
Speaker 1: a mutual decision. Yeah, mutual decision. Well, I've loved this dynamic.
Speaker 1: I've loved the energy you brought. And you know we've
Speaker 1: had Bill on this show and we love Bill. But um,
Speaker 1: we're gonna miss you for sure. Yes, absolutely, but she's
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. Still gonna be bugging Mickey up. I
Speaker 1: thought she was leaving on this set, Mickey sort of
Speaker 1: those guys. One of these I got on the little
Speaker 1: note and it was like, Okay, she found another job.
Speaker 1: She's leaving. Oh no, Arkansas. I'm not leaving. I am staying. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Content strategists moving into that new rule. You never know.
Speaker 1: We might be having more podcasts, we might be doing
Speaker 1: some other things. But let us know what you guys think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh no, they're gonna let you make that decision. I
Speaker 1: love Mickey. If anyone's ever questioned us, it's just the best. Yes,
Speaker 1: the strategist. It's like you're a baseball team. They got
Speaker 1: the guy up in the bar moneyball. He's the strategist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there doing strategists. How can we get
Speaker 1: mix shots to get more views? Guys, we need mix
Speaker 1: shots to get more views. Were gonna write about Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray tomorrow? How about that baseball ninth pick? All right?
Speaker 1: One year? Moving on, moving on, as we get back
Speaker 1: into football, we're talk can we go Can we go
Speaker 1: to Washington with the Eagles? Oh they're not going NFLPA
Speaker 1: Bill Jones A welcome to the show. Pretty strong, pretty
Speaker 1: strong statement there from the PA. What did they submission?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, should you're gonna spend seven more minutes talking
Speaker 1: about something so depressing? I thought you were gonna go
Speaker 1: to the last five minutes appointed in the decision by
Speaker 1: the White House to disinvite players from the Philadelphia Eagles
Speaker 1: from being recognized and celebrated by all Americans for their accomplishment.
Speaker 1: This decision by the White House has led to the
Speaker 1: cancelation of several player led community service events for young
Speaker 1: people in the Washington, DC area. NFL players love their country,
Speaker 1: support our troops, and give back to their communities and
Speaker 1: strive to make America a better place. The report in
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Inquirer said, Jeffrey Lurion maybe ten players we're
Speaker 1: gonna go. Yeah, So they just decided that something that's
Speaker 1: not going to uh go away quietly, very divisive, but
Speaker 1: what we've been on this show. Also, of course, we
Speaker 1: have to send our thoughts and prayers to Dwight Clark's
Speaker 1: family in the San Francisco forty Niners organization. And then
Speaker 1: just recently, uh literally moments ago, Dave Gettleman announced that
Speaker 1: he is lymphoma, So thinking of them as well. Dave's
Speaker 1: good Scalp, known him a long time, and yeah, it's
Speaker 1: uh this uh, these uh, these diseases and sicknesses, they
Speaker 1: they don't they don't play, Uh, they don't play favorite,
Speaker 1: pick and choose, they don't pick and choose. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and thoughts with Dave. I know, the whole sky can
Speaker 1: be wonderful man, with the Giants, fiery competitor. I respect
Speaker 1: what the Eagles are doing as well, um, you know,
Speaker 1: with their situation. So a lot going on in this uh,
Speaker 1: losing somebody, a lot of things going on in the
Speaker 1: world with other things as well. So we'll try and
Speaker 1: make the best we can out, you know. Good for
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers that they had the day for
Speaker 1: Dwight Clark and we were there that Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: the game we were at and you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: the writing was on the wall. You just don't recover
Speaker 1: from als, Nope. And they had him in the box
Speaker 1: there and he was able to kind of stand up
Speaker 1: and be recognized and that video they did was just fabulous. Um.
Speaker 1: And they were fortunate to have done a interview with
Speaker 1: him early in that disease. So he was able to
Speaker 1: kind of speak that way, but it was it was
Speaker 1: pretty powerful. Sorry, real quick, But for recent fans of
Speaker 1: the NFL and for football, when you think of the catch,
Speaker 1: you think of Odell Beckham Jr. And maybe even some
Speaker 1: fans mainly think of Dez Bryant and the catch that
Speaker 1: wasn't and how the catch rule has come to be
Speaker 1: and the different things the NFLPA and the owners and
Speaker 1: everybody has voted on. But Dwight Clark's the catch was
Speaker 1: unbelievable and if you have a chance to YouTube it
Speaker 1: and watch it, well what it did. It changed the
Speaker 1: course of history for two franchise, absolutely did, because San
Speaker 1: Francisco had never been to the Super Bowl never, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were getting ready to go for the sixth time.
Speaker 1: Yeah uh, And and we saw what happened to the
Speaker 1: Cowboys in the eighties, and the San Francisco forty nine
Speaker 1: Ers took over as a team of the eighties when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were basically sharing the team of the seventies
Speaker 1: with the Pittsburgh Steelers, right, I mean, they went to
Speaker 1: five Super Bowls in a decade and they were getting
Speaker 1: ready to go to their sixth until he pulls in
Speaker 1: that catch Dwight. I met him he was the general
Speaker 1: manager for the Cleveland Browns when I was in scouting
Speaker 1: and he I went up, introduced myself to him, and
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I cried the day you caught
Speaker 1: that ball. Being a cowboy fan, Yeah, I cried. And
Speaker 1: he goes, well, you know, Joe was trying to throw
Speaker 1: it away, and you know we got lucky and all
Speaker 1: that and to this. And then I would see him
Speaker 1: at other meetings, at other functions. He would go, hey, Brian,
Speaker 1: I caught that ball. Yeah, still caught him And I go,
Speaker 1: you caught it so yeah, And Joe Montana would never
Speaker 1: admit he was trying to throw Those words have never
Speaker 1: come out of Montana. Yeah, he was trying to throw
Speaker 1: it away. So yeah, that's a tough loss, really tough
Speaker 1: loss for years old. Yeah, I know, so young. But
Speaker 1: we are we're moving into a new season. Obviously, new shows,
Speaker 1: new different things. We have your Deep Blues coming up
Speaker 1: with Parcels and some other storylines. Yeah, really excited about that.
Speaker 1: You should be, yeah, Ken and really all the Deep Blues.
Speaker 1: We got some really good stories to tell and uh,
Speaker 1: some fun interviews and trying to peel back the curtain
Speaker 1: things people haven't seen, you know. That's that's our goal
Speaker 1: is to try to tell some stories that isn't a
Speaker 1: rehash of previous stuff, which there are a lot of
Speaker 1: stories around this building and around this history of not Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what's great about it. Yeah, there's as endless you
Speaker 1: can have a brainstorming session for months. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: it goes into deeper ones. I mean you're talking about
Speaker 1: leon Lett earlier, great and deep blue on him that
Speaker 1: I had no idea this amazing life story. So great stuff. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: look forward to that preseason time. Yes, start rolling those
Speaker 1: out all right, guys, Well, thank you for my final
Speaker 1: talking Cowboys and Bill Joins will join you next week.
Speaker 1: And as Mickey said, the last show before you guys
Speaker 1: break for training camp, what are we gonna do? Wouldn't
Speaker 1: want it to end on any other way side. We
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