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Speaker 1: This He's talking Cowboys, streaming live from the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola,

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Speaker 1: Brian Brats, Rob Phillips, and Taylor Stern. Welcome everybody into

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Speaker 1: the s WBC Mortgage studio. It is week three of

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Speaker 1: OTAs here and how are you guys doing. I know

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Speaker 1: it's OTA's it's media days. We've got Cowboys you on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: How's everyone. It's a busy week. It feels like a

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Speaker 1: regular season. All the work we got going today, it

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Speaker 1: does through Wednesday at least. Mickey has about as many

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Speaker 1: papers as he would in the regular season. Didn't feel

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Speaker 1: like an off season to me. Not this week. Nope,

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Speaker 1: no game season. No. I mean, but you know a

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Speaker 1: lot of good content too with the stuff, with the

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Speaker 1: access who are having with the players. Really excited about

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Speaker 1: the things that we're doing with Taylor, the tape and

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Speaker 1: I know some most Cowboys is doing some things. Mike

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Speaker 1: Marshall working on some things for the television side with

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Speaker 1: Lindsey Draper. So yeah, it's good to have these players

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Speaker 1: in that kind of setting that you kind of can

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Speaker 1: ask them a little bit different questions. I'm really. I

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Speaker 1: love the tale of the tape things that we're doing,

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Speaker 1: the fact breaking down a play with the guys going

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Speaker 1: back and kind of getting an idea what they were thinking.

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Speaker 1: I thought working with Jeff Heath yesterday was a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun just because of that play made in the

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Speaker 1: Oakland game, you know, to save it, and kind of

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Speaker 1: what he was seeing and thinking and the goat play. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that'll be on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like Mickey said, not much for an offseason. We'll keep

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Speaker 1: putting that stuff out for you that it hasn't been well. Today,

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Speaker 1: on today's show, I want to get into what Zeke

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Speaker 1: said last week, what Stephen Jones said about the Zach

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Speaker 1: Martin situation, and then we got to hear it from

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Speaker 1: Paul Alexander. Mickey told you guys a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: ago about his ketchup test and he got asked about

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Speaker 1: that a little bit further. And then we'll have some

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Speaker 1: fun with Rob's Twitter poll of the backup quarterback, which

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Speaker 1: I think will always be a lively, lively, fun debated forgive. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you still have time, you do it. Yes, Yes, I

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Speaker 1: know how to do it. I'll show you at the break.

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Speaker 1: What's the what's the poll? Can you can you? Can

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Speaker 1: you give us a little yeah chromo of the poll? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I tagged you and it tagged in it. But hey,

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Speaker 1: that's okay, quick, simple question. Who's going to be the

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Speaker 1: backup quarterback to DAC this year? Don't get into did

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Speaker 1: you come up with four choices? I came up with three? Three? Oh,

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Speaker 1: and that's all I'm going to tell you. So oh,

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Speaker 1: I know, I know what the third one is. No,

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Speaker 1: you don't, Yes, I do, no break? All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: getting into it last week, of course, Eze Gillett during

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Speaker 1: the first week, everyone was excited to see him getting

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Speaker 1: back out. They're excited for a full slated sixteen game season.

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Speaker 1: Knock on wood as we sit here today, and he

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Speaker 1: brought up something that I wanted to ask you guys about.

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Speaker 1: Of course, everyone's talking about the Dak Friendly and we're

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Speaker 1: not getting into that. That is not what this conversation

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Speaker 1: is about. But yes, big deeper right there. But he

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Speaker 1: did say, we got a couple of new wrinkles in

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Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, we're going to

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Speaker 1: be the Dallas Cowboys we've been the past couple of

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Speaker 1: years and try to establish the running game with that

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Speaker 1: dominant offensive line and make big plays. Obviously keyword, dominant

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Speaker 1: offensive line. Who is he you know, who can really

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Speaker 1: help him return to that? You know, Nicky's been saying

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Speaker 1: this all along that the problems, one of the problems

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Speaker 1: you had last year was the offensive line, the health

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Speaker 1: of the offensive line. You know, I'm I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to seeing it. We've got a little taste of it

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Speaker 1: because of him starting as the left guard. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: forward to seeing once they put on the pads what

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Speaker 1: they really have in Connor Williams, the youth and how yeah,

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Speaker 1: and how he can you know, is he the guy

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Speaker 1: that is he the guy that can solidify that left

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Speaker 1: that left guard spot? Excuse me? Now, Ken as a

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Speaker 1: young guy, can he make you know, hard to say this,

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Speaker 1: but can he make Tyrant Smith better? You know? Can

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Speaker 1: he make Travis Frederick better? He's got that kind of

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Speaker 1: a way we go. But I'm looking forward to this.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the pads, the offensive line. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to Ezekiellett putting a lot of things behind

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Speaker 1: him with the off the field stuff and then just

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Speaker 1: going out and finding ways to move this football. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up Connor Williams because, as you

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Speaker 1: Tom Herman was actually a Zekie Elliott's offensive coordinator. And

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Speaker 1: if you guys followed Zeke Elliot's college career, which I'm

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Speaker 1: They kind of had this, you know, mutual understanding of

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Speaker 1: their love for each other, and you've seen Zeke do

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Speaker 1: that before. So I wonder how that age just kind

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Speaker 1: of having the same feel of what Tom Herman was

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Speaker 1: able to bring to them in college. Six degrees of separation.

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Speaker 1: The guy can help himself by playing sixteen games, that's true.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was nothing wrong with the running game

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Speaker 1: last year. Even though Jonathan Cooper was playing left guard.

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Speaker 1: He almost rushed for a thousand yards in ten games.

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Speaker 1: So to me, when he was on the field, it

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Speaker 1: then they missed Tyrn Smith. So um, I mean the

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Speaker 1: Broncos game sticks out to me though, Well, that was

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Speaker 1: no one played well that game. It wasn't just the

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Speaker 1: of those games. It happens. But the rest of the season,

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Speaker 1: it one step further though, because to Bryant's point, I

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Speaker 1: think Connor Williams I'm I'm bullish on him. I feel

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Speaker 1: like he can get this thing back solidified, and not

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Speaker 1: just the left guard position. It allows le Collins potentially

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Speaker 1: a solid season, got better as the season went along.

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Speaker 1: And then you bring in a guy with Super Bowl experience,

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Speaker 1: Cameron Fleming, who can be your swing tackle. And then

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Speaker 1: that's the domino effect where if Tyrn Smith does miss

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Speaker 1: a little better track record as a swing tackle candidate.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I agree with that, But you're hoping Cameron

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Speaker 1: Fleming doesn't have to play? No, absolutely no, But I'm

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Speaker 1: so dos Paul Alexander. He said to me, it's like

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Speaker 1: But hey, when you step into a job where you're

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Speaker 1: some point, that's pretty good. Well, and like you guys

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Speaker 1: and he pointed out a potential fourth. He's big on

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Speaker 1: it's it's easy low Collins. I mean he's the one guy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: it's not with him. He seems to be right back

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Speaker 1: Could this wide receiver crew help help Ezekiel it better? Well,

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Speaker 1: absolutely it needs to, because if they don't find a

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Speaker 1: for this team moving the football. Not only not only

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Speaker 1: then they're not moving. The sticks to TBD to be determined. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Alan Hearns because this is a guy

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Speaker 1: I don't think that was really the case last year.

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Speaker 1: There was, you know, they needed their receivers to do

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Speaker 1: a better job getting open consistently. Who is the best

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Speaker 1: on that a couple of weeks ago. Didn't Did you

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Speaker 1: vote on the top ten? I did? First? Yeah Beasley, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: really good season, Jacks Beasley's one great season. I put

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Speaker 1: Beasley number two. Yeah. See, that's that's the thing. And

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Speaker 1: now you're saying, Okay, is your slot receiver and I

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Speaker 1: the good old air quotations for slot receiver, he's your

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Speaker 1: best receiver. What does that tell you? That tell you something?

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Speaker 1: Should we? Should we be like? And nothing? It gets

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Speaker 1: Cole Beasley because I love the guy. I think they

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Speaker 1: best season. And correct me if I'm wrong, Mick, but

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Speaker 1: you you still have the Dez Bryant, even though he's

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Speaker 1: dealing with injuries. You you had a more veteran player

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying is that, you know, looking at

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Speaker 1: him an not looking at his relationship with Dak it

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Speaker 1: have some time off. But until then we're at training

425
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 1: or we're at OTAs and we're at mini camp. And

426
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 1: of course no Zach Martin so far through the OTAs

427
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: obviously everything with the contract, but Stephen Jones, of course,

428
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 1: echoing the message that no one wants him here more

429
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: than they do. But can we anticipate that it will

430
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: be done before training camp? What are you guys really

431
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: feeling in your gut. I don't have a feeling on

432
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: that anymore. I thought it was gonna get done last summer.

433
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 1: I still think it's going to get done before the

434
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: start of this season. Would probably be my gut because

435
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: last year Zach decided I just want to focus on

436
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: the season, which seems smart. Yeah, I mean, that's that's

437
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: his right, So I think if following that logic, but

438
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,959
Speaker 1: they would push to get something done by the end

439
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: of preseason. Um, I don't know that's going to happen.

440
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: But the fact that we've heard he's been working out

441
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: here even though he's not participating in the OTAs, I

442
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: don't consider this like a quote unquote holdout or something

443
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: where it's contentious at all. So that's good, dude. You

444
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: know that's a good sign. He's under contract, right, Yes,

445
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: so he'll be here next week. He will be mandatory.

446
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: Will he practice, Yeah, maybe not, maybe not, but he'll

447
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: be here out there. Can he choose that or would

448
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if that they would force. Yeah, they're

449
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: not going to ask you, not going to get a

450
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: contentious thing. It's one of those things where you know,

451
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: if they want to get this done too, they don't

452
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: want to put him in a situation where he might

453
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, you'd get it'll be it'll be done by

454
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: July twenty ninth. I think Searly in camp all right,

455
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: because those first three days they can't put pads on

456
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: right right, So twenty six, twenty seven, twenty he's on

457
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 1: the plane. He's on the plane to well even if

458
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: he's not a yeah, he's under contract, he's got a report. Yeah, yeah,

459
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: otherwise you're subjected to be fine. Yeah, I think this

460
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: will get done. When Zach Martin tells his agent to

461
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: get it done, that's yeah, because that's that's what Maybe

462
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: this is what that's what's gonna happen. I mean, the

463
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: whole thing is probably about structure. Well, how much guaranteed

464
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: money are you giving me? We look kind of get

465
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: you know, year guarantees. Stewing Radio the other day on

466
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: one oh five three, and I kind of went through

467
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: the top five guards. Zeitler and those guys, Gabe Jackson,

468
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: people like that and all the ones that fans know

469
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: so well. Yeah, but those guys are making an average

470
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: of like twelve million dollars a year, you know, nor Vell. Yeah, yeah,

471
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: So I think that it's gonna be this is gonna

472
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: get done. When Zach Martin says, listen, Okay, that's a

473
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: fair deal, let's do it. Yeah, I think the Cowboys

474
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: are just you know, they yeah, they want to get

475
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: it done. But I've made this mention before. This is

476
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: a position that traditionally has not been paid until recently,

477
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: and you're trying to figure out it seems like every

478
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: time a guy signs a new deal at guard, a

479
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: guy comes along and beats that deal. So you have

480
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,959
Speaker 1: to structure it in a way. Cowboys have got some

481
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: situations too, where guys in the future, if you look forward,

482
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: have got some contracts that they have to think about.

483
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: So you have to make sure that not only for

484
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: this year, but in coming years, that your situation is

485
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: good enough to kind of make sure that you don't

486
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: you can sign everybody that you need to sign. And so,

487
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: but I do think I agree with Mickey. I think

488
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: it's going to get done in training camp. But I

489
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: do believe it's going to be when Zack Martin says

490
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: to his agents, Okay, that's good enough. Let's put this

491
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: behind us. It's a fair deal. Move on and come

492
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: this week. They picked up three more million dollars in

493
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: the salary cap. Right, the June one payoff for Orlando Scandron. Right,

494
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: they get his base salary back, so you get three

495
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: million dollars. They're not that they need more money for

496
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: this year because if they signed him to a long

497
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: term deal, his nine point three million dollars base salaries

498
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: going to go down, right, and and it'll factor out

499
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: that they'll I bet they cut that in half, so

500
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: they'll pick up even some more money. Could they got

501
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: draft class signed? Could they? Could they go ahead and

502
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: say play under the current contract this year and then

503
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: next year, you could if you wanted to. If you

504
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: hadn't they feel like you had the rootten Yeah. What's

505
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: his feeling on that? Does he want the security now? No? No?

506
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: I think he's saying, signed the deal, signed the deal,

507
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: but let him have nine point three millions, right, okay, right, right,

508
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: because you have the room for no, right, absolutely? Yeah,

509
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: just and then and then and then what you have

510
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: to be careful though, if you give him a signing bonus.

511
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: You don't want that to add on to nine point

512
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: three million, right, So you would like to restructure that

513
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna make nine point three million this year, right somehow,

514
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: some way right between signing bonus, how much they pay

515
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: up front and then guarantees down the road, they're gonna

516
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: have to get him somewhere between twelve and fourteen million dollars.

517
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: Now do you want to pay him more than Tyron Smith? That,

518
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: my friend, is the the way that contracts fall guard tackles.

519
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: Though it doesn't. It's the timing of the whole. It's

520
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: the timing. He came along at the right time in

521
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: history where guards are now getting paid. So Tyron Smith

522
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: is gonna deal. Now, Tyren Smith's going to figure out

523
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: if okay, this lifetime deal that I just signed, how

524
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 1: bad is that really for me? Now the problem he's

525
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: running into, Tyron Smith is the health, his health, So

526
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: now you can negotiate. Yeah, so I mean his if

527
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith is is of course Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl,

528
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl are are all pro and all that, But

529
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: if it's now Tyren Smith's only playing twelve games, eleven games,

530
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: then it becomes you don't really have a much of

531
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: a leg to stand on right there, Tyron's twenty seven

532
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: feels like he should be about thirty five. You know, this,

533
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: this whole deal is kind of reminiscent of Greg Ellis

534
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: signing that long term deal. Yes, and he was coming

535
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: off a torn achilles, I believe, and he ended up

536
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: signing seven year deal or something like that. Yeah, and

537
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: then what happened with it by the end of it.

538
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: By the end of it, it was like, oh, this

539
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: is not very good, and which reminds I think I've

540
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: told you guys this story before. We were talking about it.

541
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: Pat summer All was part of the discussion, and I said, well,

542
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 1: I said, you know what happened is he signed that

543
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: deal and then all of a sudden, the contracts for

544
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: the defensive ends exploded, right the salary cap went up.

545
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: And I said, you know he, I mean, he's a

546
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: little bit bitter about it, and he just came came

547
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: along too soon, too soon, And summer All goes, we

548
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: all came around too soon, meeting what he was getting

549
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: paid to be an announcer and then what they're getting

550
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: paid now. The other thing about that, too, is they

551
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: moved him a linebacker, which he didn't want to do

552
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: and that might yeah, and that might have fell into

553
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: three fourth thing that could affect your asking power too,

554
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: So you're earning power well anyway, but anyway that but yeah,

555
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: Tyrn got like a ten year deal for you. When

556
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: Tyron signed it was great, right, Yeah, Zach Martin is

557
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: going to be the highest paid lineman for the count

558
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: on July twenty ninth, exactly, by July, by July twenty ninth,

559
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: sorry to put words your yes, all right, well could

560
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: be tomorrow, that's by July twenty ninth. We're always right.

561
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 1: So they're missing what eight eight guys if I countered right, well, guys, justices, Yeah,

562
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you've got him, right, Sean Lee, they're

563
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: holding outst holding out right. Elie's still rehabbing from his

564
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: shoulder surgery, right Looney from his wrist surgery. Right Lewis

565
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: Neil has a hamstring. He's still rehabbing. We mentioned Tyron Williams,

566
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: and then Terrence Williams. Terrence Williams, Tyrone Williams, it's okay,

567
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: and then David Irving. Yes, so the last two names

568
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: on there. I wanted to ask you guys this, and

569
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of tapers and Taper and Tapper injury. We'll

570
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: see Suppose Lee wasn't that bad of a concussion. I

571
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: hope not. I like the guy and I'd like to

572
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: see him not actually be mine. All Right, this question

573
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: bear with me because it sounds mean, but it's not

574
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: intended to be mean. Mean today, I'm not trying to

575
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: be but I'm asking who do you think had a

576
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 1: worse offseason, Terrence Williams or David Irving, because when you

577
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: look at both of them, you know they both have

578
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: such a great opportunity. Terrence Williams being the obvious one.

579
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: You don't have Dez Bryan in front of you anymore.

580
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: Go out there, show him what's up. You know you've

581
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: been He posts on social media Moore and talks about

582
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: this and what he can do. And you know, from

583
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: the majority of his career he's been able to kind

584
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: of understand his role on this team. He's had some flashes,

585
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: some unbelievable catches. Obviously Seattle game sticks out in your mind,

586
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: but it's just this offseason has not been going his

587
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: way on the field with the injuries, and now you're

588
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: looking at some different off the fields, and then you're

589
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: looking at someone like David Irving, where you've known some

590
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: different off the field situations. He's had the suspension, went

591
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: through a whole contract thing where they're waiting to see

592
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: if he was going to get tendered, went through that

593
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: whole tender process. You've seen some different things on social

594
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: media with his you know, family, and that's been unfortunate

595
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 1: to see that play out. And then just now he

596
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 1: needs to get back into shape. And I just don't know,

597
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: I mean, both of them. I just want to be like,

598
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: why can't you just get Williams wouldn't be practicing anyway.

599
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. I mean, he's just had

600
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: a bad off season. The deal broke his fifth metatarsals,

601
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: so he figure out how we did that? Was he

602
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: running barefoot in the parking line? I don't There was

603
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: three in the morning. I just I was wondering if

604
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: you and your yeah, your newspaperman. Whenever he was doing out,

605
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: there's paper man. But that's what I'm saying. I mean,

606
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: even that, you know, it's just unfortunate. Some of these things.

607
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: Of course they can't control. I think from a competition standpoint,

608
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: there's a more glaring need for David Irving to get

609
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: in there and settle this defensive tackle situation. Although when

610
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: we talked about receiver, um needing to find a guy,

611
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: and I think Williams has got some competition there, even

612
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: though I think his experience is value yallup, he's right, yeah,

613
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: but um boy, they need David Irving to step in

614
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: there and play that three technique or something. You know,

615
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: especially right now with Collins being hurt. You know, the

616
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: depth there is not is not great. So I look

617
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: at that more so than receiver, even though we don't

618
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: have de fine roles at receiver yet. Well, he's he's

619
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: opened the door for jehad Ward, who's played really well,

620
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: and the stuff I've watched, yeah, he's been he's been

621
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: a problem for these guards. And I know it's not

622
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: Zack Martin playing there, but he's been a problem for

623
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: Connor Williams. And and who has ever had to play

624
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: right guard, whether it's Jad Green or Martin. Not not

625
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: Zack Martin. But when you talk about John, you've mentioned

626
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: that Will had a knife for him. Will McClay when

627
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: coming Baron Ellie to Maryon Ellie put him an inside

628
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: at tackle at Illinois. He was really an end and

629
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: maryon Ellie kicked him inside and he's found him a

630
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 1: pretty good player there. I like what I've seen so

631
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: far from him, I really really do. And you know

632
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: what the good part is, he's a happy camper. Yeah,

633
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: he won't say anything bad about Oakland, but he's darn

634
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: glad to be out of there. Yeah, you didn't get

635
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Speaker 1: a chance to see what Gruden would bring or Vegas.

636
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: They didn't give him a chance either, because if you remember,

637
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: his rookie year wasn't all that bad for you know,

638
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Speaker 1: where he was drafted and everything. We ask you, guys,

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Speaker 1: this expected though, kind of from what we've known about

640
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Speaker 1: David Irving in the past, is that is that one

641
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: of the most unfulfilled so far careers. He's the potential.

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Speaker 1: And what really nails home your point is that he

643
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Speaker 1: will tell you that. He will say, look, I've done

644
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: some stupid stuff back to college where I think he

645
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 1: got kicked off the team, and yeah, he understands he's

646
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: part of the reason why he doesn't have a long

647
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: term deal. Yeah, I mean he'll admit it to you. So, Yeah,

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00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: for sure, he's got amazing talent. Amazing talent. He definitely

649
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Speaker 1: was overweight. No, I don't know what he was doing.

650
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Speaker 1: I shouldn't call him that. I'm the same way and

651
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: then yeah, but Marion Nellie did. Okay, Marion Elly can

652
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Speaker 1: call me that too. Yeah. And right now he's too fat, Bill,

653
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Speaker 1: and he's got to take care of his personal life. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if they're allowing him to kind

655
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Speaker 1: of figure all that out and get all that straight

656
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Speaker 1: before the season starts or not. But he's got to

657
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Speaker 1: take care of that, and so I don't know if

658
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: they've given him some leeway and we'll find out, right,

659
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Speaker 1: but U you know, it sort of reminds me of

660
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Speaker 1: somewhat Leon Let. Leon was always going to be that

661
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: guy the next year, and then something would happen, you know,

662
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: he'd he'd get hurt, he gets suspended, and it's like

663
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: the season starts and then he'd get hurt and it's

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Speaker 1: like he he was going to be this great Pro

665
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: Bowl player six times, right, and it it just never happened.

666
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: And there's kind of similarity in the way they play, yeah, No,

667
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Speaker 1: kind of a unique frame and ability to play multiple spots,

668
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Speaker 1: play inside. Yeah, And so that's a good comparison. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you hate to say it, but you know,

670
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: because I'm sure Leon figures. You know, I just never

671
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Speaker 1: really reached what I everybody thought I could have. Well,

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Speaker 1: from what you're talking about with you know, have you

673
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: are you surprised by this type of situation. No. I

674
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: mean I remember after the Green Bay game and David Irving,

675
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: you know, wins NFC Offensive Player of the Week, and

676
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, you bring up Marionelli. He's very honest about

677
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Speaker 1: his guys, and I remember people are like, well, you know,

678
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: what does this mean for him now? And he goes

679
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: show me it again. You know, all that they wanted

680
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: to see from him is the consistency in town. And

681
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, you see these flashes and then suspension, you

682
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: see this and then something else, and you know, it's

683
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: just show me consistency. I know a lot of people

684
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Speaker 1: have been talking about DeMarcus Lawrence in this offseason, but

685
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Speaker 1: he has to do the same thing. He has to

686
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Speaker 1: have another consistent year of success. So unfortunately, you feel

687
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Speaker 1: like though that Lawrence tracking up, Yes, absolutely, but David

688
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: Irvin You're like, Okay, glad he's back. And then but

689
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Speaker 1: you're like going, oh, I could just get him on

690
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Speaker 1: the field and let him play sixteen games man average

691
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: is like a sack of game. You know, it's incredible.

692
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: I've never seen a player be more productive for as

693
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Speaker 1: little time as he plays. He could have had he

694
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Speaker 1: could have challenged Lawrence with a full season stand the

695
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: concussion into year. It's incredible to see him play the

696
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Speaker 1: way he does and then and then. But you look

697
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: at reliability, that's all these front office and coaches want,

698
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: and Taylor you even said it. It's it's that reliability. Well,

699
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: do you trust him? The good thing is you know what?

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Speaker 1: You know what he is? Right, right, you know what

701
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams is. So these OTAs, yeah, they're great, they're

702
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Speaker 1: learning sessions, but you're given other guys a chance to

703
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: find out a little bit more about before your hoards

704
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: there you go, right, you're right, yeah, and there's other guys.

705
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: There's other spots Daytone Jones more than those are your starters,

706
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: war did Jones. You're two starters inside defensive end. Tacos

707
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: getting more reps with the Marcus, Lawrence getting some rest days.

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Speaker 1: So that's good for him. Oh my list just grew

709
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: to ten now, Collins, I forgot he was out. Yeah,

710
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to keep growing it keeps growing here. I

711
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: think about it, well, as long as it's not growing

712
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: in training camp. Yeah, that's that's that's when we have

713
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: those when we have those shows, we do and everybody's like,

714
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: all right, Mickey fired through the injury report and then

715
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: well that was a show that's very number one. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I'm I think we're all hopeful for David Irvin, but

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00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: I think if I'm going into this camp, I'm skeptical.

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00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful, but skeptical. Is that right? Is that like

719
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: an oxymoron? Am I? No? No? And you know what?

720
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Speaker 1: And am I being a moron for thinking? I think

721
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Speaker 1: when he finished the season last year, in the back

722
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: of his mind it was like, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I'm coming back. Yeah, you know, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they trust me. And it's my fault one thing concussion,

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00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, which he started the year with the

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Speaker 1: suspension end of the game this year with four games

727
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Speaker 1: out with the concussion. I'm with you with the hopeful part,

728
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Speaker 1: because look, he's on a one year deal, he's got

729
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Speaker 1: a lot to prove. He's he's a restricted free agent

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00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: one year tender. He can hit the market next year

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Speaker 1: and cash in with a big year, so he's got

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00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: he's got a lot to play for. Absolutely. I like

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Speaker 1: your hopeful optimism and figuring things out at training camp

734
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: because I think that leads well into Rob's Twitter poll

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Speaker 1: that we're gonna get to vote on during this last

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Speaker 1: let's not forget about Papa John's pizza because we know

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Speaker 1: why it tastes so great. Those ingredients. Ah, the veggis fresh, oh,

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Speaker 1: the way, by the way, Um, seventy four years ago.

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Speaker 1: I would have said, uh no, I changed my mind.

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Speaker 1: Can I get back on the boat? Well wow, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: seventy four years ago, but it, you know, all led

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Speaker 1: to liberating France and important day for sure, very very

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Speaker 1: important day. All right, well Rob's Twitter poll? All right,

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Speaker 1: back to football. Who will be the backout quarterback this season? Mickey,

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00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: you got three options, Cooper Rush, Mike White, the rookie,

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Speaker 1: or an outside veteran currently not on this roster. That's

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Speaker 1: what I knew. Was it gonna be the third choice

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00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: to be determined? Um, it will start off with Cooper Rush,

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Speaker 1: not saying that's how it's gonna end. Oh, the questions

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Speaker 1: how's it gonna end? Oh? I thought it was who's

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Speaker 1: gonna be the No. I mean, it'll start off with

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Speaker 1: Cooper Rush during the season this season and then beware

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Speaker 1: of what happened last year, keeping three, keeping Mike White. Yes,

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Speaker 1: at this point, now we'll see what happens when the

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Speaker 1: pads come on. Who else who's got a vote? He said,

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Speaker 1: how is this going to end? Yeah? I guess, I guess.

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Speaker 1: I mean when the season starts, and if you want

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Speaker 1: to take it a step further, Okay, who's your number

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00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: two behind Dak? Okay? Luckily. The beautiful thing about your

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Speaker 1: Twitter pool, I think is the interaction we have from

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Speaker 1: fans and a lot of times, you know, even though

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Speaker 1: they vote, they also respond to everything that you know

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Speaker 1: is going they do comments. Yeah, and I thought one

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Speaker 1: in particular that I saw and I will have to

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Speaker 1: find out the exact name. Someone said, start out with Rush,

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Speaker 1: he gets traded for somebody out there. Then by week gate,

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Speaker 1: Mike White is breathing down their neck. I'll often find

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Speaker 1: this exactly because I was like, crazier thing the whole scenario. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this was Victor. He said, they trade Rush before week one,

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Speaker 1: and White will be breathing down Dak's neck by week

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Speaker 1: week gate broad us is rights is right, Hu, I

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Speaker 1: like Mike White. I still think Cooper Rush is going

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Speaker 1: to be the backup quarterback though I do. Yeah, Cooper

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00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: Rush though he's kind of one of those guys, but

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Speaker 1: I think that he is. There was really no pressure

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Speaker 1: on him last year. The way he came into training camp.

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Speaker 1: They gave him. They gave him the reps he took.

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Speaker 1: He was able to make those good. He went into games,

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Speaker 1: he was very productive. He was one of the most

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Speaker 1: productive quarterbacks, you know, young quarterbacks in the league. If

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Speaker 1: you just look at the preseason game. I think he

843
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: led the matters the NFL and all the statistical categories.

844
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: So I think he will once again be your backup quarterback.

845
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: But I think now he does have some pressure on him.

846
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: I think he's going to have to perform as well

847
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: or better than what he did when he made this

848
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: football team last year. You know, they obviously like Mike White.

849
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: You know, Mike White is a guy that and I

850
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: don't I hope I'm not blowing smoke up everybody's rear

851
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: about this, but you know, Mike White is a you

852
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: know on my board was I had him as a

853
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: higher grade than Dak Prescott. If you look at the

854
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: two as evaluations, think, Mike why, whether it's here somewhere else,

855
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: will be a starting quarterback in the National Football League.

856
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: I just don't think he will be this year. So

857
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 1: did they have a fourth quarterback last year in training camp?

858
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: Or was just three of them? And I was okay, Kelly,

859
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: they had they had remember three? They had the quarterback

860
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: from Florida that they couldn't take a snap he was

861
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: cut by the Yeah, he was covering. So yeah, I

862
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: think they went to Yeah, I think they went the three.

863
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: They went with three, so there was no one if

864
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: they were going to keep three, right, Oh no, no, No,

865
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: they had the veteran guy. The veteran they brought in

866
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: the veteran guy. One of them accounts, Yeah, one of

867
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: them accounts. Luke McCown remember one of the accounts came

868
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: in halfway through said more than just a camp half yeah,

869
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: halfway he's oh, that's right, that's right. We were. We

870
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: were an Oxnard. He was coming in an Oxnard when

871
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: we were getting ready to leave. Because he was a

872
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 1: lot skinnier and he was right part of the time,

873
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: and then he got They got him off the couch.

874
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: Remember the game two hundred and fifty thousand, Get off

875
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: the couch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, So anyway, I felt

876
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: like though again with for Rush, no real pressure on him,

877
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: and he was able to perform. Well, He's got some

878
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: pressure on him now because Mike White. But Mike White

879
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: needs to perform well too. They're not give Mike White

880
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: that job. But if they're gonna go for a young

881
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: movement and both those guys are young, I should do

882
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: Like Mike White, Well, we're gonna get a chance to

883
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: see them, especially in preseason because I can't imagine they're

884
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: gonna play Dak Nope that much, although they need to

885
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: with all the new wide receivers. So you're gonna have

886
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: to find a happy balance. That's what training camps for

887
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, what I need is I don't need

888
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: any of these receivers knock on wood to not get

889
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: I don't need any hamstrings. I don't need you to

890
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: miss any time. I need everybody out there. You got

891
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: to evaluate. I need everybody out there. I need your

892
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: running routes against those young corners. So I think they're

893
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: pretty good. I need I need Byron Jones to get

894
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: some work out there, you know, Alan Hearns. I need

895
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: you practice and every day. You know, Gallop, I need

896
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: you practicing every day. I am trying to evaluate my

897
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: team here, so hopefully they can stay through the injuries.

898
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: I said before, I worry about this this month off

899
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: they have after this is all over with, I worry

900
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: about that. But that's just me. You gotta vote. Yeah,

901
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: well that's I was. I was going more with the fans.

902
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: I liked what they said. I think I think as

903
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: it stands right now, Cooper Rush and then you know,

904
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: it's just a way. The way it happens at training

905
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: camp is bizarre. You know what happened, I'll never be

906
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: able to truly understand it. Then, when we watched what

907
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: happened with Dak throughout that training camp, I mean, you

908
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: guys know this and anybody who else has been out

909
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: to Alex and if you haven't, highly recommend going out there.

910
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 1: It's a great experience. Um but I mean I remember

911
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: we were out there and you're standing there and you

912
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: guys know when the big players come out, you hear it. Yeah,

913
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: And the first few days Dak was out there throwing

914
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: the football. I don't think anyone really cared or noticed him.

915
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: By the end of that camp, there were a lot

916
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: of cheers. Yeah, it's great we watched history. I mean,

917
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: just bad luck for Kellen Moore. But you know, Cream

918
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: usually rises to the top anyway eventually, because now he

919
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: has a great job in the NFL. He does he's

920
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: coaching these guys. Um the fans Agrieve sixty nine percent,

921
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush twenty nine percent. Mike White. I think nobody

922
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: feels like they're going young at quarterback, so nobody really voted.

923
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: I'm sorry the percentage were okay, and Jays made it no. Look, man,

924
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: we're gonna try to develop young guys instead of going

925
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: with vets who are probably knows. It's good that it's

926
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: good that the fan base understands now about trying to

927
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: get the young quarterback developed. It's like they're not waving

928
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: that flag as yeah, oh there's veterans out there, you

929
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: gotta bring them in. I think I think that we've

930
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: seen the problems that they've had trying to trade and

931
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: sign and do everything to get a veteran quarterback here.

932
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: I think I think the fans had enough. I think

933
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: they've had enough of that. Hey, if you're gonna if

934
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna go down, let's go down swinging with a

935
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: young guy. Let's play with Cooper Rush. Let's throw Mike

936
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: White out there. Heck Dak Prescott young keep throwing him out.

937
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: He tried. We they Jeff Castle. Yeah, work didn't work.

938
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: All right. Well, before we move on anymore, you guys

939
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: are getting a great veteran in my seat starting next week.

940
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: His name Bill Jones. I'm sure most Cowboys fans, most

941
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: listeners to this podcast. He will be taking over as

942
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: I transition more into my role as content strategists, spending

943
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: more time, and I know everyone loves the meetings. So

944
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: thank you guys. Thanks to everyone who's listened, who's tweeted,

945
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: who's played along with Rob's Twitter pool, Mickey's minute. We've

946
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: had good times on this show. So Bill Jones will

947
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: do a great job. But I do ask all of

948
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: you guys, as you keep okay, Ken, thank you though,

949
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 1: thank you. Ket ket has always produced the best podcast.

950
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: But as you guys keep going and we're trying to

951
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: continually improve our content. As brought us brought up at

952
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 1: the beginning of the show, tale of the Tape, different

953
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: things like that tweet at me, let me know, I

954
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: can share it with some people. We can get some

955
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: more ideas flowing. Because when you just get it out

956
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: there and share what you want to see, we can

957
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: probably help you get that. We're lucky enough here. So

958
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 1: thank you, guys, and oh, thank you Jay for which

959
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: did I mean? Uh, We've we've been together more than

960
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: any I mean, I know you and Bill originally start

961
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: this this thing a long time ago, so on television,

962
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: on television even so, but no, I do appreciate Tay

963
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: your enthusiasm for the job. To try and get us

964
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: all on the same page is not an easy thing

965
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, So Bill's gonna come in for one

966
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: show and then yeah, and then you're going to training.

967
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: Came then we're going to figure it out crazy schedule.

968
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna introduce him three old men and

969
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: a young man more show. It was. It was just

970
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 1: a mutual decision. Yeah, mutual decision. Well, I've loved this dynamic.

971
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: I've loved the energy you brought. And you know we've

972
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: had Bill on this show and we love Bill. But um,

973
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna miss you for sure. Yes, absolutely, but she's

974
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. Still gonna be bugging Mickey up. I

975
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: thought she was leaving on this set, Mickey sort of

976
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: those guys. One of these I got on the little

977
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: note and it was like, Okay, she found another job.

978
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: She's leaving. Oh no, Arkansas. I'm not leaving. I am staying. Yeah.

979
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: Content strategists moving into that new rule. You never know.

980
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: We might be having more podcasts, we might be doing

981
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: some other things. But let us know what you guys think. Yeah,

982
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: oh no, they're gonna let you make that decision. I

983
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: love Mickey. If anyone's ever questioned us, it's just the best. Yes,

984
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: the strategist. It's like you're a baseball team. They got

985
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: the guy up in the bar moneyball. He's the strategist. Yeah,

986
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there doing strategists. How can we get

987
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: mix shots to get more views? Guys, we need mix

988
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 1: shots to get more views. Were gonna write about Kyler

989
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: Murray tomorrow? How about that baseball ninth pick? All right?

990
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 1: One year? Moving on, moving on, as we get back

991
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: into football, we're talk can we go Can we go

992
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: to Washington with the Eagles? Oh they're not going NFLPA

993
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: Bill Jones A welcome to the show. Pretty strong, pretty

994
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: strong statement there from the PA. What did they submission?

995
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, should you're gonna spend seven more minutes talking

996
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: about something so depressing? I thought you were gonna go

997
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: to the last five minutes appointed in the decision by

998
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: the White House to disinvite players from the Philadelphia Eagles

999
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: from being recognized and celebrated by all Americans for their accomplishment.

1000
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: This decision by the White House has led to the

1001
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: cancelation of several player led community service events for young

1002
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: people in the Washington, DC area. NFL players love their country,

1003
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: support our troops, and give back to their communities and

1004
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: strive to make America a better place. The report in

1005
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Inquirer said, Jeffrey Lurion maybe ten players we're

1006
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: gonna go. Yeah, So they just decided that something that's

1007
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: not going to uh go away quietly, very divisive, but

1008
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: what we've been on this show. Also, of course, we

1009
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: have to send our thoughts and prayers to Dwight Clark's

1010
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: family in the San Francisco forty Niners organization. And then

1011
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: just recently, uh literally moments ago, Dave Gettleman announced that

1012
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: he is lymphoma, So thinking of them as well. Dave's

1013
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: good Scalp, known him a long time, and yeah, it's

1014
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: uh this uh, these uh, these diseases and sicknesses, they

1015
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: they don't they don't play, Uh, they don't play favorite,

1016
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: pick and choose, they don't pick and choose. So yeah,

1017
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: and thoughts with Dave. I know, the whole sky can

1018
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: be wonderful man, with the Giants, fiery competitor. I respect

1019
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: what the Eagles are doing as well, um, you know,

1020
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: with their situation. So a lot going on in this uh,

1021
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: losing somebody, a lot of things going on in the

1022
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: world with other things as well. So we'll try and

1023
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: make the best we can out, you know. Good for

1024
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers that they had the day for

1025
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: Dwight Clark and we were there that Yeah, that was

1026
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: the game we were at and you know, and you know,

1027
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: the writing was on the wall. You just don't recover

1028
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: from als, Nope. And they had him in the box

1029
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: there and he was able to kind of stand up

1030
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: and be recognized and that video they did was just fabulous. Um.

1031
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: And they were fortunate to have done a interview with

1032
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: him early in that disease. So he was able to

1033
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: kind of speak that way, but it was it was

1034
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: pretty powerful. Sorry, real quick, But for recent fans of

1035
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 1: the NFL and for football, when you think of the catch,

1036
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: you think of Odell Beckham Jr. And maybe even some

1037
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: fans mainly think of Dez Bryant and the catch that

1038
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: wasn't and how the catch rule has come to be

1039
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: and the different things the NFLPA and the owners and

1040
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: everybody has voted on. But Dwight Clark's the catch was

1041
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: unbelievable and if you have a chance to YouTube it

1042
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: and watch it, well what it did. It changed the

1043
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: course of history for two franchise, absolutely did, because San

1044
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: Francisco had never been to the Super Bowl never, and

1045
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were getting ready to go for the sixth time.

1046
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: Yeah uh, And and we saw what happened to the

1047
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: Cowboys in the eighties, and the San Francisco forty nine

1048
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: Ers took over as a team of the eighties when

1049
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were basically sharing the team of the seventies

1050
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: with the Pittsburgh Steelers, right, I mean, they went to

1051
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Speaker 1: five Super Bowls in a decade and they were getting

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Speaker 1: ready to go to their sixth until he pulls in

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Speaker 1: that catch Dwight. I met him he was the general

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Speaker 1: manager for the Cleveland Browns when I was in scouting

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Speaker 1: and he I went up, introduced myself to him, and

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, I cried the day you caught

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Speaker 1: that ball. Being a cowboy fan, Yeah, I cried. And

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Speaker 1: he goes, well, you know, Joe was trying to throw

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Speaker 1: it away, and you know we got lucky and all

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Speaker 1: that and to this. And then I would see him

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Speaker 1: at other meetings, at other functions. He would go, hey, Brian,

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Speaker 1: I caught that ball. Yeah, still caught him And I go,

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Speaker 1: you caught it so yeah, And Joe Montana would never

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Speaker 1: admit he was trying to throw Those words have never

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Speaker 1: come out of Montana. Yeah, he was trying to throw

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Speaker 1: it away. So yeah, that's a tough loss, really tough

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Speaker 1: loss for years old. Yeah, I know, so young. But

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Speaker 1: we are we're moving into a new season. Obviously, new shows,

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00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: new different things. We have your Deep Blues coming up

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00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: with Parcels and some other storylines. Yeah, really excited about that.

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Speaker 1: You should be, yeah, Ken and really all the Deep Blues.

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Speaker 1: We got some really good stories to tell and uh,

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Speaker 1: some fun interviews and trying to peel back the curtain

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Speaker 1: things people haven't seen, you know. That's that's our goal

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00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: is to try to tell some stories that isn't a

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Speaker 1: rehash of previous stuff, which there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: stories around this building and around this history of not Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what's great about it. Yeah, there's as endless you

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Speaker 1: can have a brainstorming session for months. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: it goes into deeper ones. I mean you're talking about

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Speaker 1: leon Lett earlier, great and deep blue on him that

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Speaker 1: I had no idea this amazing life story. So great stuff. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: look forward to that preseason time. Yes, start rolling those

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Speaker 1: out all right, guys, Well, thank you for my final

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Speaker 1: talking Cowboys and Bill Joins will join you next week.

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Speaker 1: And as Mickey said, the last show before you guys

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Speaker 1: break for training camp, what are we gonna do? Wouldn't

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Speaker 1: want it to end on any other way side. We

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Speaker 1: love you today. This has been a production of Dallas

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