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Speaker 3: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. We have an

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Speaker 3: amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal,

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Speaker 3: indeed we do.

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Speaker 2: We have a lot that we're going to try to

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Speaker 2: get through this morning. So we're taking a look, of course,

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Speaker 2: at those tariffs. What are they going to be? They'll

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Speaker 2: be instituted tomorrow on quote unquote a liberation day. So

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Speaker 2: looking at what we know and what the fallout is

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Speaker 2: likely to be, Trump just pardon a whole rash of fraudsters.

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Speaker 2: The details are really quite stunning. So we'll get into

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Speaker 2: that everybody from hawk to a girl, well, I guess

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Speaker 2: you can get a pardon, but her action was no

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Speaker 2: charges filed whatever, go to Hunter Biden associate. That one

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Speaker 2: is particularly grotesque, so give you all the details there.

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Speaker 2: Coffee Zilla is also all over that one. Bibe is

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Speaker 2: now saying that their plan for Gaza is Trump's plan

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Speaker 2: complete ethnic cleansing. So you know, we are getting some

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Speaker 2: so that's cool and great and looking good. I'm taking

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Speaker 2: a look at Elon's election lines and what they could mean.

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Speaker 2: Fashakiir is going to join us to talk about the

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Speaker 2: stop Oligarchy tour and where it may be headed, where

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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party may be headed, And we had to

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Speaker 2: put this in Elon Baby Mama Drama. Ashley Saint Clair,

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Speaker 2: hosts of the video. They're going back and forth on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Of Tabloid at the end of the show. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's just too good, right, folks. We can't look away.

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Speaker 3: It's one of those things I saw.

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Speaker 2: To the character of the man who's running the country

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Speaker 3: Say yeah, we could say that. All right, let's go ahead. Oh,

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Speaker 3: by the way, Happy April Fool's Day. Isn't this funny?

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Speaker 3: You know, when you're a kid, you think April Fools

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Speaker 1: You gotta go to work.

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Speaker 4: Youngest is obsessed with April.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's one of those things where.

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Speaker 4: Putting a fake snake on the bed.

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Speaker 3: Or you become twenty three, you go to work and

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Speaker 3: have a good day.

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Speaker 2: Today, but make sure you are extra aware of what

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Speaker 2: sort of news you're being fed today, because people do

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Speaker 4: Who will believe it? So be on extra guard today.

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Speaker 3: For even April Fools. That's just a normal day on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: That's another normal day on E one let's go ahead

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Speaker 3: and get to these tariffs. We've got some new announcements

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: We have another big week. On Wednesday, it will be

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Speaker 5: Liberation Day in America, as President Trump has so proudly

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Speaker 5: dubbed it. We'll be announcing a tariff plan that will

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Speaker 3: Teriff no exemptions at this time, Liberation Day, no exemptions.

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Speaker 3: The line on this has probably changed about fifteen different

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Speaker 1: He says, I've settled it.

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Speaker 3: Liberation Day means that you will find out tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: We have got several different liberated from our suspense.

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Speaker 3: We will be liberated from our suspense. I could mean

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Speaker 1: But the point is is that this level.

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Speaker 3: Of suspense and people being kept on their toes means

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Speaker 2: That That was also the press avail in which she

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Speaker 4: I know, true trust on signal gates occur.

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Speaker 2: So the brightest minds were convened in you know, Elon's

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Speaker 3: I am not yet allowed to reveal some of the

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Speaker 1: It's genuinely some of the stupidest things that I ever

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Speaker 1: but I will get to it one day.

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Speaker 4: Tea teas for the future.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is the problem with sources.

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Speaker 3: They're like, tell you this stuff off the record, and

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Speaker 3: it's so juicy, and you're like, come on, dude, let

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Speaker 3: I'll hammer, I mean, I'll ask if I can actually

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Speaker 3: This is on the Fox News confronting Caroline Levitt on

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Speaker 3: the polling of this.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a.

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Speaker 7: Listen, and our new Fox News polling shows that people

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Speaker 7: as of March fourteenth, Those that say they disapprove fifty

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Speaker 4: Forty three percent.

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Speaker 7: And in that same polling, we asked about the most

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Speaker 7: important issue facing the country today, and top of the

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Speaker 7: Those are first and second. As it goes down to

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Speaker 7: political division and preservation of democracy, is the president doing

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Speaker 5: The President and his economic team are working on this

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Speaker 5: decades of unfair trade practices that have ripped our country off,

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Speaker 5: that have sent jobs overseas and not have forced millions

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Speaker 3: So yeah, look, even Fox and all them, I mean,

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Speaker 3: all the polling on this is now like pretty clear

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Speaker 3: people are not that happy about it. Let's go and

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Speaker 3: put this next up on the screen. This is just

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Speaker 3: where the futures are right now. Literally kind of as

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and as we've said at nauseum, at this point,

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Speaker 2: extraordinary situation for Trump where the economy is like his weakest.

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Speaker 2: already caused a freeze in a lot of economic activity. Businesses,

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Speaker 2: Even just the uncertainty has an economic impact and takes

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Speaker 1: Where are they going to go? Winnipeg? All right, they'll

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Speaker 3: Asked here about what these small scale tariffs and whether

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen on the tariffs that you're planning.

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Speaker 10: Going to treat them. We're gonna be much more generous

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Speaker 2: No we're going big. No it's going to be just

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Speaker 2: would support, but you know, the whole across the board

442
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,800
Speaker 2: situation to me is insane. And then the last point

443
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Speaker 2: that he also makes is that even if your goal

444
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,280
Speaker 2: is reindustrializing, like, these things are very interconnected and it's

445
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,240
Speaker 2: very difficult to game out what impact is going to have. So,

446
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:57,879
Speaker 2: for example, oil companies have reduced output because they're concerned

447
00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 2: about the price of some of the like electrical components

448
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 2: that they need in terms of their process. So you know,

449
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,880
Speaker 2: when you're doing this across the board thing, and it's

450
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Speaker 2: not matched with any sort of concerted industrial policy. In fact,

451
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,919
Speaker 2: the government's going the opposite direction of rolling back some

452
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Speaker 2: of the previous industrial policy that was put into place.

453
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Speaker 2: It's also not even clear that you're going to get

454
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Speaker 2: any of the results that you know, are gaming for here.

455
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 2: Whatever those are not that that's really been spelled out

456
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 2: by Trump in particular. But you know, if we zoom

457
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,920
Speaker 2: out here, I think that the big picture is, yes,

458
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Speaker 2: there is another potential economic paradigm that Americans could be

459
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Speaker 2: open to that wasn't based around them being consumers of

460
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Speaker 2: a lot of cheap goods from overseas. But if you

461
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Speaker 2: are going to just take away the cheap goods and

462
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Speaker 2: high prices and not offer any other alternative like benefits,

463
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Speaker 2: then no, it's going to be dramatically unpopular. And you're

464
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Speaker 2: also flirting with a stagflation situation in which growth is

465
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Speaker 2: lower zero, you still have high inflation. That really makes

466
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 2: it difficult for the Fed to do anything because you know,

467
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 2: if they hike interest rates, then you're lowering growth. Even

468
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 2: more if they lower interest rates than you are increasing inflation.

469
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Speaker 2: So that's why that situation is so incredibly difficult to

470
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Speaker 2: deal with and so dangerous, and you know is really

471
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Speaker 2: a looming possibility right now.

472
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Speaker 3: Yeah, to retardge this last thing one, Yeah, because I

473
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Speaker 3: really like this argument that he makes. What he's talking

474
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Speaker 3: about in terms of riches is monetary riches, and that

475
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 3: is what we need to redefine.

476
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Speaker 1: So Joe has a great statistic that I learned.

477
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Speaker 3: Quote one of the most important facts about the world

478
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Speaker 3: is that in the last fifteen years, China has become

479
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Speaker 3: the global manufacturing powerhouse, at the cutting edge of multiple industries.

480
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Speaker 3: But the Shanghai Composite Stock Index is scarcely above where

481
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Speaker 3: it was in two thousand and nine. So, I mean,

482
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Speaker 3: you know what US stocks are up from two thousand

483
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Speaker 3: and nine. I literally don't know off the top.

484
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Speaker 1: Of my head. It's probably hundreds and hundreds of percent.

485
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Speaker 3: Are we richer richer materially than we were in two

486
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Speaker 3: thousand and nine, I would say no, absolutely not. In China,

487
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Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, there are a lot richer in

488
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Speaker 3: terms of they got drone deliveries, They've got the byd

489
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Speaker 3: Jaumi cars, their society and their overall like net growth

490
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 3: and the quality of life is dramatically increased. I mean, look,

491
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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna sit here it admit it. Go to

492
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Speaker 3: Shenzhen today, Go look at any video, go talk to

493
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Speaker 3: any person, or look at anything in Shenzin in Chung Ching,

494
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Speaker 3: in any of these like major cities, even that you

495
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Speaker 3: wouldn't even necessarily know, like the mid tier cities of China,

496
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Speaker 3: and tell me that they're not living better than we

497
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Speaker 3: are now. Yes, they're living in apartments. Certainly, they don't

498
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 3: have any crime, it's pretty safe, train goes on time,

499
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Speaker 3: there's you know, I could go on forever. These are

500
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Speaker 3: different models of economic activity. But I think that's the

501
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 3: point that he's trying to make about riches. We are

502
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Speaker 3: richer in the sense that, yes, the flat screen television

503
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 3: is much cheaper, fantastic. We are richer in the sense

504
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Speaker 3: that I mean, be honest, this iPhone in my hand,

505
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Speaker 3: is it all that materially different than the iPhone four

506
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Speaker 3: that I bought in twenty ten.

507
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Speaker 1: No, it's just.

508
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Speaker 3: Not, like, be honest, here the camera quality is better,

509
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Speaker 3: and also it's still manufactured in China last time that

510
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Speaker 3: I checked him. That's I think the point that he's

511
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 3: trying to make about manufacturing and riches, as in the

512
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Speaker 3: definition of riches financially is basically the one that the

513
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Speaker 3: United States has decided to go all in on. He

514
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Speaker 3: even says that he's like the greatest export of the

515
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 3: United States is US stocks and treasuries. Okay, great, I

516
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 3: mean you know it's definitely better off for it.

517
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Speaker 9: Right.

518
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Speaker 3: We talk a lot about this in the chips context.

519
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: The chips are all designed here. You know, what does

520
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 3: that thing say whenever you open your Apple box designed

521
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: in Coopertino, California, Why does it stay designed because it's

522
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 3: designed here, it's manufactured somewhere else? Tell me you, as

523
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 3: the power, who's actually materially richer?

524
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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's them.

525
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Speaker 2: Not only that, but those you know, high end design

526
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: and like pushing the tech frontier. It's not like we're

527
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 2: maintaining our edge there, you know, it's we're at best

528
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: at competitive level with China, and I think increasingly they're

529
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Speaker 2: surpassing us in terms of like the leading edge of transformative,

530
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: future oriented tech is increasingly coming out of China. So

531
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 2: you know, the bet that we made that we could

532
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Speaker 2: keep this high the sort of like high end like

533
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Speaker 2: a design in Coopertino and keep the low end manufacturing there, Well,

534
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 2: it turns out if you are the one manufacturing the products,

535
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Speaker 2: and also if you have a government that's been very

536
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 2: committed to investing in research, investing in technology, trying to

537
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: push their country in that direction, then you know, you

538
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: have a huge advantage in terms of innovating for the future. Meanwhile,

539
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: our companies have grown into these you know, giant monopolies

540
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 2: in many ways, complacent in many ways, much more focused on,

541
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Speaker 2: you know, how to game the stock market and like

542
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: give themselves stock buybacks and do financial engineering. Then they

543
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: have been on genuine innovation. I don't want to erase

544
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: the genuine innovation that has been going on. You know,

545
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: we obviously have these llms that are leading edge coming

546
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 2: out of American company, from American investment, et cetera.

547
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Speaker 4: But if you look across the board.

548
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Speaker 2: I mean, certainly in the ev where all China's kicking

549
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: the ass of every American car company, it's not really

550
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 2: even close. There was a post that was going viral

551
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: on Twitter. Soccer tells me it's a little bit of

552
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 2: a gimmick, but gives you a sense of like the

553
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 2: sort of future oriented direction that China's heading in. They

554
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: just issued a commercial license for these like drone quad

555
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 2: copter taxis, where you can you know, as like a

556
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 2: consumer hop in this. It's like some Jetson's kind of

557
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: shit that they're contemplating here and meanwhile we're you know,

558
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: like pumping the next talk to a coin or whatever.

559
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Speaker 1: So and I have the stats.

560
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Speaker 3: So since two thousand and nine, the S and P

561
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Speaker 3: five hundred is up, let's see a total return on

562
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 3: investment of eight hundred and forty one percent. The Shanghai

563
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: Index is up two point two eight percent. But you know,

564
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 3: be serious, Yes, there are a lot of people out here.

565
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Speaker 3: If you were lucky enough and you've had your four

566
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: one k and all that, I think that's fantastic. But

567
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: you should take a look at what the alternative economic

568
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 3: model of that is and what it means to be

569
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: actually rich and what that you know, the definition of

570
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: that to me is not just where the S and

571
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 3: P five hundred is.

572
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: So Trump has gone on a pardoning free of all

573
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 2: sorts of white collar criminals. We've got here the Nicola

574
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 2: founder that was that supposed like hydrogen powered truck company,

575
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Speaker 2: Trevor Milton receives a full pardon.

576
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Speaker 4: This was a crazy one.

577
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 2: Ozy Media co founder Carlos Watson pardon for his finance

578
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 2: or commuted the sentence of his financial conspiracy case.

579
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Speaker 4: Let's go on to the next one.

580
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: We had some crypto types who also are being let

581
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Speaker 2: off the hook.

582
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Speaker 4: Hawke to a girl.

583
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Speaker 2: You know she's not going to face any charges after

584
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: her pump and dump. This guy, Jason Galanis he had

585
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: his sentence commuted. This is the second New York Post

586
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: says X Hunter Biden business partner partner to receive clemency.

587
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: I dug into this dude, saga. What a loathsome, disgusting

588
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 2: piece of shit this guy is. He scammed a Native

589
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 2: American tribe out of sixty million dollars, convinced them to

590
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: issue these sixty million dollars in bonds. According to him,

591
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: used his proximity to the Vice president, Oh Hunter Biden

592
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: or the President Hunter Biden is my associate, etc. To

593
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: build up his own credibility, and then just took the

594
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: proceeds of this bond sale, which he claimed was going

595
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: to be invested in some sort of annuity so that

596
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: this tribe could invest in themselves and do economic development

597
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: for their tribal nation. Instead, he took it and bought

598
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: like a ten million dollar Tribeca apartment, spend eight and

599
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: a half million dollars on Gucci clothes and jewelry and

600
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: this luxurious lifestyle, and also paying back his previous legal

601
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: expenses and his new business ventures and whatever, like just

602
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: a totally disgusting person. However, he from prison testified in

603
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: Republicans like Biden inquiry impeachment thing, and so now he's

604
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: getting let off the hook. The Nicola guy, I don't

605
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: know if you guys remember this story.

606
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure you do it I very well.

607
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 4: Remember they put out.

608
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Speaker 2: This propaganda that supposedly showed their trucks which are like,

609
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: you know, giant like mac truck, tractor trailer things. Supposedly

610
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: showed this you know, driving along. Well it turns out

611
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: they just had it rolling down a hill like it

612
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: was all fake, lie to investors. Total fraudster. So he's

613
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: being let off the hook. In some ways, the Haktua

614
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: girl is like the most sympathetic one because you could

615
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: argue she's just like Domin, didn't know what she was

616
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 2: really getting into.

617
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 4: I mean that.

618
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: Compared to the guy who stole the sixty million dollars

619
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Speaker 2: from the tribe, Like, she is the more sympathetic case here.

620
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: And then we have put B three up on the screen.

621
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: There were some other crypto fraudsters. They were basically like

622
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: running a sort of money laundering operation. In blatant defiance

623
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: of US regulations and laws. So these people have also

624
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: been these three Bitmex crypto exchange co founders also.

625
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 4: Let off the hook.

626
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: It's just absolutely extraordinary. Coffee Zilla has been taking a

627
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: look at some of these cases. This was a video

628
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: that he posted on his void Zilla channels that was

629
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: titled Crime is Legal Part two. Let's take a listen

630
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: to a little bit of that.

631
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 12: This season of American Crime Is Legal is getting even crazier.

632
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 9: The hawk to a girl.

633
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 12: She had her investigation closed obviously because she basically did

634
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 12: more or.

635
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 9: Less what the president did.

636
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 12: Yes, it was a little bit worse, but kinda will

637
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 12: look bad if you took out somebody for a meme

638
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 12: going while the president did it.

639
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 9: But that's sort of your run of the mill stuff.

640
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 9: You see a lot.

641
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Speaker 12: I wouldn't even be commenting on it, except that we've

642
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 12: now moved from not just not going after people who've

643
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 12: done something wrong, but sort of releasing the prisoners from

644
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 12: our I am talking about Trevor Milton. He's one of

645
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 12: the og fraudsters of the twenty first century. This guy

646
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 12: faked a hydrogen truck company, which was caught out by

647
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 12: Hindenburg research where he rolled a truck down a hill

648
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 12: and told everyone that it worked. Okay, he got arrested,

649
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 12: sentenced to four years in prison, but now he won't

650
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 12: be finishing that because he got an unconditional pardon from

651
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Speaker 12: President Trump.

652
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Speaker 9: So where do we go from here? I think SPF

653
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 9: is up next.

654
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: And that dude, the Nicola Trump guy had apparently given

655
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: like one point nine million dollars to the Trump campaign

656
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: or to the Trump inauguration or something of that nature.

657
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just very clear like any Trump associate they.

658
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Speaker 4: Can get it away with whatever.

659
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who they scanned, it doesn't matter how egregious,

660
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: they can get away with it. And then meanwhile, you

661
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: know they're charging people who like hurt a tesla with

662
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: terrorism and trying to throw them in prison for twenty years.

663
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: So it's a complete it's the complete and total end

664
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Speaker 2: of even the aspiration that the criminal justice system is

665
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: going to be, you know, sort of like politically neutral

666
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: what well, and.

667
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 3: Even on white collar crime, like, let's all be honest,

668
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: it's not exactly.

669
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: Like they're working overtime in that department.

670
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, the bar for getting yourself prosecuted for,

671
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: like on a federal level, for white collar it's actually

672
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: very hot. People think it away with so much. People

673
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: think that it's it's not you actually have to go.

674
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: If you look at the federal sentencing guidelines and stuff,

675
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 3: you need to steal or be responsible for millions of

676
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: dollars before, I mean think about it. It probably costs

677
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: the Feds like a million bucks to even investigate somebody

678
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: and take you to trial. So it's got to be

679
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: pretty high whatever your alleged response, you know, fraud or

680
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: responsibility is here.

681
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: So there's just no earthly reason why any of.

682
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: These people should be part of the Nicolo one is

683
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: absolutely the most egregious one to me. I actually do

684
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: think though that the OZI founder, that Carlos Watson one

685
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: is even more egregious because since we covered the story

686
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: from the very beginning and then looking into it one

687
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: of his business associates, it seems almost one hundred percent

688
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: clear that his associates lobbied Alice Johnson and other like

689
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: black MAGA influencers lobbied. You take that term for what

690
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: you will. I don't have any other more information on it,

691
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: but somebody somewhere got to some of these black Maga influencers,

692
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: and that's how he got himself off.

693
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he's stone cold guilty. You can go and

694
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: listen to the tapes.

695
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: We played it here on our show about the fakery

696
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: of that website.

697
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 4: It was egregious, right he was found guilty.

698
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he's literally guilty. Like it's did he plead

699
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: or did he?

700
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: Was he convicted?

701
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: I forget regardless. I mean he's admitted guilt here at

702
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: least at some level. And why are we you community?

703
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: It's like, no, he defrauded investors and basically dropped up

704
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 3: this fake media empire and beyond that, like deceived major

705
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: corporations like YouTube, and they made a mockery of the

706
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 3: entire thing. Same with these same with these bitmax people.

707
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: I mean it's yeah, like, look, I'll be the first

708
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: here to tell you that the FEDS can overreach, that

709
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: they can prosecute people for political purposes, or they can

710
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: manipulate things and all that I looked into, and I

711
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: definitely know the Nicola.

712
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: Case, you know very well.

713
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no there's no out of it, like, there

714
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: is no allegation. And that's actually why a lot of

715
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: these are being announced, not from a White House podium.

716
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: They're just happening, you know, from the desk, and they're

717
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: only being reported after the fact of the communtation. The

718
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: Ross Albert thing was very different. Right, There's a whole

719
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: pr strategy that rolled out for this Carlos I mean,

720
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: we have to learn that from his associates and from others,

721
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 3: that this guy is getting out of prison.

722
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: You're like, what, yeah, hold on a second.

723
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: Well, Trump got asked about the Nicola ruck guy, and

724
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: he framed it in political terms. He said basically like, oh,

725
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: this guy's crime was supporting Donald J.

726
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 4: Trump.

727
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, he wasn't even until he

728
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: was in trouble, he was not a known at least

729
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: Trump supporter.

730
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 4: But then once he.

731
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: Saw that, oh my hail Mary, chance to get out

732
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: of these charges and get out of prison is to

733
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 2: you know, send some money to Trump. And so, you know,

734
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: Trump himself frames it in totally nakedly political terms to

735
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: remind people about the Carlos Watson one. We did cover

736
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 2: this extensively. Part of what's hilarious is if you go

737
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: and look at this like ozy media, fake channel that

738
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: he had propped up, like it was some you know

739
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: giant media behemoth, and everyone was like, who what, We've

740
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: never heard of this that happened to me. It was

741
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: the most like cringe identity lib type of crimes.

742
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: And remember Hillary spoke at their conference at I actually

743
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: met a guy once and he's like, oh, I work

744
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 3: at ozy Media. Like what and he was like, yeah,

745
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: you know, we're doing actually really well. And I went,

746
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 3: I go, I have never heard of this thing once

747
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,479
Speaker 3: and then I banked it. You know, in my mind

748
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: years later this all happens.

749
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: They had all these Remember we went and looked at

750
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: their channel and the views would be like, you know,

751
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 2: fairly significant and that on some videos. Some videos had

752
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: like no views, and then occasionally you'd have a video

753
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: that had like a very high view count. But then

754
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: you'd go and look, there were almost no likes, there

755
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: were almost no comments.

756
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 4: It was completely and totally fake.

757
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he bought them from India or some Bangladeshi click fit.

758
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: Is that what I was? I think that's what it was.

759
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: And then what was the most preposterous is he he

760
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: pretended to be a YouTube rep on a call with

761
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: I don't I think it was like Goldman Sacks or

762
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: something like him.

763
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 3: As associates pretended to be a representative from YouTube with

764
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: the camera off during a meeting while they were pitching,

765
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: you know, basically raised he's.

766
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: Using some i think like voice modifier to try to

767
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: and the Golden Sacks people were like, oh, this is

768
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: really weird. I mean, you just got caught red handed.

769
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: These are not cases that were really close calls. Right again,

770
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: talk to a girl, pump and dump. Apparently pump and

771
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: dumps are just legal now. The President did onel with

772
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: Malania going the you know, Javier Malay whatever, like apparently

773
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: that's just like a thing you can do now, but

774
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: not letting her off the hook. But you know, these

775
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: other ones are just not even remotely close cases.

776
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 4: And it's just so clear.

777
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: That no matter how much of a live or a

778
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden associate or whoever that you've been in the past,

779
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: if you can get in Donald Trump's good graces, then

780
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: you can get away with absolutely anything. It is truly

781
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: astonishing and to your point, Sober put before up on

782
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: the screen.

783
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 4: So this is.

784
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: Really kind of a whole of government effort to let

785
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: a lot of white collar crime and a lot of

786
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: corporate crime go unpunished. You've had the obviously the attack

787
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which is like the

788
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 2: anti scam agency SEC no longer regulating the crypto market nationally.

789
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: Relations Board is once again without a quorum. So if

790
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: you're a worker trying to fight for worker rights, you

791
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: have nowhere to go. And a public citizen has been

792
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: tracking this corporate clemency and apparently a quarter a quarter,

793
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: twenty five percent of all corporate enforcement has been dropped

794
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: at this point.

795
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 10: Wow.

796
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: So it really is a whole of government effort to

797
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: let more white collar criminals get away with, you know,

798
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 2: scamming the public and truly doing whatever it is that

799
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 2: they really want to do.

800
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's egregious and it is

801
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: just something that's been back to the first Trump administration.

802
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: He pardoned people like or not pardoned, commuted people like

803
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: Michael Milkin.

804
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 4: The most Jesus.

805
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

806
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 3: And also just so you guys know, if you go

807
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 3: to the White House, now you know what's right across

808
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 3: the street, the Milkin Institute, which is just a little

809
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 3: bit too.

810
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,959
Speaker 1: Perfect for me. Wow.

811
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: Anyway, den a Thief's great book recommendation if you've never

812
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 3: read it.

813
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: The movie Wall Street was based on.

814
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 3: Some of the characters that were in there by ib

815
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 3: Oski and Michael. Michael Milkin is one of the most

816
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 3: notorious why collar criminals literally of all time. Like he

817
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: was a cut and dry, open insider trader. They had

818
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: him on tape, there was no getting around it. And

819
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: he basically use his gains since then to launder his

820
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: reputation in the public health space and others since then.

821
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: And eventually Rudy Giuliani, who's one of the people who

822
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: prosecuted Milkan, is then the one who gets Trump to

823
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: get him his I think it's his pardon or his

824
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: commutation some years later.

825
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: It was completely insane.

826
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 4: Well think about it. I mean the Eric Adams situation.

827
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: Well, he hasn't gotten this yet, right.

828
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: They dropped the charges against him. Pressure from DOJ and

829
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: forced them to drop the charges. And remember you had,

830
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 2: you know, various people are involved that Federal District Court

831
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: who were like, I'm out, like this is latantly immoral, unethical.

832
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: And these were people who were like one of them

833
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: was like a I can't remember which of the conservative

834
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: justices that she had clerked for. She was like, I'm out,

835
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: that's right, this is nakedly political. Yes, and yeah, it

836
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: was the same. He was able to position himself like, oh,

837
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 2: the deep stays down to give me because I want

838
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 2: to help Trump on immigration whatever. I mean, it's just

839
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: it's just so obvious. It's just so obvious, and it

840
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: makes a mockery of the Our justice system is flawed

841
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: in a million different ways, there's no doubt about it.

842
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: But again, the aspiration is that it should be neutral, right.

843
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: The aspiration is that you should at least have the

844
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 2: expectation that it's not just like if I can suck

845
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: up to this person, then I can get away with it,

846
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 2: and that gone out the way.

847
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I have spoken against us.

848
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: There is no actually, there is really no reason other

849
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 3: than the holdover from the monarchical period when this was invented,

850
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: that the president should have such a unilateral pardon and

851
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: clemency power.

852
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: Actually, it's literally nuts.

853
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: It is borrowed at that time from the powers that

854
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: the Czar and that the Kings had. Wow, based on

855
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: the European SYS. So just everyone's away full model of

856
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 3: where it all comes from.

857
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 4: Full model.

858
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes it makes absolutely no sense.

859
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: So we are now getting confirmation from BB Netanyahu that

860
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 2: the official plan for the Gaza Strip. You know, we've

861
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: been talking abou oh, what's the plan for the day after?

862
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: From the beginning, some of us have been saying, you know,

863
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: the plan is probably full ethnic cleansing and removal of

864
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: Palestinians from the Gaza Strip and complete reoccupation bb At.

865
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: Netanyahu now confirming that that is in fact the case.

866
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: He says, if your Hebrews a little rusty, or Arabic

867
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: as a little rusty as mine, as Yery says, we

868
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: are ready to discuss the final phase of the war.

869
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Speaker 2: Hamas will lay down its arms, its leaders will be

870
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: allowed to leave. We will take care of security in

871
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: Gaza and implement Trump's voluntary migration plan. This is our plan,

872
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: We're not hiding it, and we're ready to talk about

873
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 2: it at any time. This, of course, comes amid a

874
00:40:54,440 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: renewed bombing campaign and ground invasion and complete siege of

875
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: the Gaza Strip. Gaza Strip has already been reduced effectively

876
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: to rubble, according to Trump's envoy there, Steve Witcoff, who

877
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: went and visited Gaza and said there's basically nothing left.

878
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Speaker 2: We continued to get horror stories of the atrocities that

879
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: are being committed there. We also have this, we could

880
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: put this next piece up on the screen more details

881
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 2: about the systematic use of Palestinians as human shields. Every

882
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: accusation is a confession. This is published in Haretzu, this

883
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: Israeli newspaper says in Gaza, almost every IDF platoon keeps

884
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: a human shield a sub army of Palestinian slaves. May

885
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: go ahead and read this to you this person rights.

886
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: I served in Gaza for nine months, first came across

887
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: these procedures called Mosquito protocol in December twenty twenty three.

888
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: It was only two months into the ground defensive long

889
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: before there was a shortage of dogs from the IDF's

890
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: canine unit who were used for this purpose. This became

891
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: the insane unofficial excuse for this insane unofficial procedure. I

892
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: didn't realize then how ubiquitous using human shields, who we

893
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 2: refer to as shahwish would become.

894
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: Today.

895
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: Almost every platoon keeps a shawish. No infantry force enters

896
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: a house before a Shawish clears it. This means there

897
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: are four shawishes in a company, twelve in a battalion,

898
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: and at least thirty six in a brigade. We operate

899
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: a sub army of slaves. So this coming directly from

900
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 2: someone who served in the Gaza Strip in the IDF

901
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: for nine months, Saga. We'd received reports of this before,

902
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 2: but this speaks to the widespread systematic use of Palestinians

903
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: for this purpose. But wanted to get your reaction to

904
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 2: what BB is announcing there and saying like, oh, Trump's

905
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: plan to take over Gaza. Yeah, that's our plan. We're

906
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: not hiding it. That's what we're going for. And we

907
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: know that they had actually spoken to some African nations

908
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: about like, hey, will you take these people? And if

909
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: you think that this is going to be quote unquote

910
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: voluntary migration, I mean this is part of what the

911
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 2: current ste ourvation campaign is designed to compel, to force

912
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,479
Speaker 2: them to have no other choice if they want to live,

913
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: but to leave the Gaza Strip.

914
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: And that's also the issue with the overall US policy

915
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 3: right now is we explicitly quasi endorsed this from the beginning,

916
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 3: and so now we own it, and in that way,

917
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: we are now responsible both obviously not only in terms

918
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: of providing weapons, but most importantly in terms of how

919
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: this is going to reshape things in the region. In

920
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: the future, because if you think about our relationship with Jordan,

921
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 3: with Saudi Arabia, I mean, if we have some grand

922
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: goal in the Middle East, what it is for me,

923
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: it's get the hell out. But you know, I guess

924
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 3: if we're going to stay is to what is to

925
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: secure peace in this region which is very important petrochemicals

926
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 3: to the United States. Well, how exactly are we supposed

927
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: to be doing any of this whenever we are explicitly

928
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: backing and then responsible and endorsing this mass expulsion. That's

929
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: why no US government ever, even some of the most

930
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: pro Israel press of all time, have always moved against

931
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: the Israelis and trying to trying to move them away

932
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: from what their obvious goal in this case was. It's

933
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: only Trump was just taking the mask off. I mean

934
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: even Biden tacitly somewhat endorsed it, right, but rhetorically would

935
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: not go all the way there. Trump was just being

936
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: thinking he's smart, being like, oh, we're gonna We're going

937
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 3: to own the Gaza strip and then also backing effectively

938
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: the mass expulsion. And so when you have that endorsement,

939
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 3: they will take that and run with it as far

940
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: as they can possibly go and uh, yeah, the ramifications

941
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: for us is disastrous. That human shields thing too. Like

942
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 3: you said, this is also part of what drives me crazy,

943
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 3: is uh, there is a thing in the West where

944
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 3: we're not really allowed to even say these things until

945
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: the Israeli press admits them.

946
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: And then even then, you.

947
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 4: Know, you wouldn't see that time, see it exactly.

948
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: That is what drives me. You know, this recently happened.

949
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 3: We haven't had time to put in this New York

950
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 3: Times report. I'm not sure if you saw it, which

951
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 3: it's multiple pages long, and it's about the role of

952
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: the Pentagon and the CIA in running the war in Ukraine.

953
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 3: And I mean, I've been screaming here for three years

954
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: about all this stuff, but it's like you're not allowed

955
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 3: to admit it until it becomes verified by the New

956
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 3: York Times. I feel that way in this case as well.

957
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: And yeah, in the Western press and and all of

958
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: our discussion here of the conflict, we just look, we

959
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: don't even pay any attention, and.

960
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 1: They're writing it in English for all of us to see.

961
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: It's not difficult.

962
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 3: And this doesn't even mean you have to be some

963
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 3: Kefia wearing palate. You just have to be like, yeah,

964
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, why are we paying for this?

965
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 3: What exactly are we getting out of this? You can

966
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 3: even be callous if you want to look at it

967
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: that way. And yet, you know, the media environment here

968
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: is just so propagandized and shaped that Yeah, even the

969
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: quasi liberal institutions are not able. You know, we're about

970
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 3: to talk about this medics thing. I just saw this

971
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: from Ryan. Ryan flagged that in the New York Times.

972
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: They're like, we can't independently verify these claims. And Ryan's like,

973
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: you guys want to Pulitzer Prize and you don't know

974
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: how to get someone in Gaza on the phone.

975
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 4: You don't know what are you doing?

976
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he says, yeah, because this is about Red Crescent, Yes,

977
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: which is their equivalent of the Red Cross Red Crescent medics.

978
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: He's like, you can't get the Red Crescent on the phone.

979
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 4: To I verify.

980
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: I've never met them. I guarantee I could do it.

981
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 4: You know.

982
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: To your point, Schiel Beneferin, who we have had on

983
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: the show, who is like a self described liberal Zionist,

984
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: he was saying on Twitter, you know, left out of

985
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: this conversation about like the deportations of the protesters and

986
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: the crackdown on descent and.

987
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 4: All of this stuff.

988
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: Is the fact that and he was someone who was

989
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: critical of the protesters like this was is not a

990
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: kafia wherein Guy right, he was like the protesters were right.

991
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: Israel has behaved in exactly as monstrous a way I'm paraphrasing.

992
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: These aren't exactly his words, and exactly as monstrous away

993
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: as they were depicted, and they were. And that's the thing,

994
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: is like, from the very beginning of this onslaught post

995
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: October seventh, the people who were the most maximalist on lefties,

996
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: kafia wearing people were the most accurate about what the

997
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: goals were and what this would ultimately look like. You

998
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: could listen to them, or you could listen to the settlers,

999
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: the most fanatic zelots about their goals, and that would

1000
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: have given you a much better understanding of what the

1001
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: goals were and what was likely to unfold than listening

1002
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: either to the propagandists in Israel or certainly the propagandist

1003
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: here in the US, either from a political class or

1004
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: from our media class. But to speak to the incident

1005
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 2: that you're talking about here, there were fifteen Palestinian medics,

1006
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: including one UN and employee, who were executed in Gaza.

1007
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 4: And you're talking about fifteen.

1008
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: People who were killed one by one, so intentionally killed

1009
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 2: one after another and then buried.

1010
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 4: In a mass grave.

1011
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 2: So at the State Department briefing, whoever this person is,

1012
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: this new you know, the equivalent of Matthew Miller of

1013
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: this administration, gets asked about this and whether there's going

1014
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: to be any sort of accountability for this naked atrocity

1015
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: and slaughter intentionally of Paramedics's take a listen to what

1016
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: she had to say.

1017
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 13: The UN's Humanitarian Affairs Office has said that fifteen paramedics,

1018
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 13: civil defense and a UN worker were killed, in their words,

1019
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 13: one by one by the idea. They have dug bodies up,

1020
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 13: they said, in the shallow grave that have been gathered up,

1021
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 13: and also vehicles in the sun. Have you got any

1022
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 13: assessment at what might have happened? And given the potential

1023
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 13: use of American weapons, is there any assessment of whether

1024
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 13: or not this complied with international law?

1025
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 8: Well, I can tell you that for too long Hamas

1026
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 8: has abused civilian infrastructure cynically using it to shield themselves.

1027
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 8: Hamas's actions have caused humanitarians to be caught in the crossfire.

1028
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 8: The use of civilians or civilian objects to shield or

1029
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 8: impede military operations is itself a violation of international humanitarian law,

1030
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 8: and of course we expect all parties on the ground

1031
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 8: to comply with international humanitarian law.

1032
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 13: But there's specifically a question on any It's a question

1033
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 13: about accounting and accountability given may have been the use

1034
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 13: of US weapons, So it's a question about the State

1035
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 13: Department rather than Hamas. Is there any actions.

1036
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 8: Well, every single thing that is happening in Gaza is

1037
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 8: happening because of Hamas, every single dynamic.

1038
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: Every single thing that is happening in Gaza is happening

1039
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 2: because of Hamas. I mean, it's just like, I mean,

1040
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: it's you know, the Biden administration.

1041
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 4: It's not really any different. It's just more it's more.

1042
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: Naked, more brazen, like Israel literally has zero agency or

1043
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: zero responsibility for any of their actions, which we know

1044
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 2: has decimated the entire Kaza strip killed.

1045
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 4: We don't even have a clue.

1046
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: Tens of thousands at the least, women and children, elderly, paramedics, journalists,

1047
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: schools are leveled, moss are leveled, I mean, it's just

1048
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: on and on and on, and the official stance of

1049
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: the State Department is they bear zero responsibility. So they

1050
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: could literally nuke the Gaza strip and it's all Hamasa's fault.

1051
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 4: They have no agency for their actions at all.

1052
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 3: But if Russia nukes Ukraine, then all of us have

1053
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: to get into you see how this all falls apart.

1054
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: It's all preposterous.

1055
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: Let's go to the next part here, because honestly, this

1056
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 3: is this is pretty grim. Quote, only three percent of

1057
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: Jewish Israelis are quote morally opposed to the Trump Net

1058
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 3: and Yahoo plan to depopulate Gaza. Some fourteen percent consider

1059
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: it a distraction. More than eighty percent say they support

1060
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 3: the forced removal from Goza area. That's pretty important, you know.

1061
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 3: You know, this is the other thing that we may underestimate.

1062
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 3: As much as the Israeli press is actually far far

1063
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: more honest about their coverage and airing of dissent, we

1064
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 3: should also be real about where the majority of the

1065
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 3: population is. And we should not make the critical mistake

1066
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: that Westerners always make, which is pointing to dissident media

1067
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 3: inside of the country and seeing, see this is what

1068
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 3: they're being exposed to, that would be like an outsider

1069
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 3: pointing to Jacobin or something.

1070
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: So let's see this is available in America.

1071
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, it's it's available, but like, that's not

1072
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 3: what people are reading.

1073
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 4: Every day, probably more Americans that read Haraz.

1074
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, I've spent a lot of time in this.

1075
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: You know what they watch, They watch the same.

1076
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 3: Bullshit that we do, which is their stupid cable news,

1077
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 3: their equivalent to Fox News. And yeah, their equivalent of

1078
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: Fox News very different than Horetes, which we've played some

1079
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 3: of the clips here, but you have to translate from Hebrew,

1080
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 3: so it's more difficult for us to understand.

1081
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: But you ever go there, I can guarantee you they

1082
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 1: love TV.

1083
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 3: Israelis actually love the news in the same way that

1084
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: I guess we do, you know, in terms of our

1085
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: addiction to cable television. And I can tell you the

1086
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: cable TV over there very different than what you're reading

1087
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 3: in Horetes or Times of Israel.

1088
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 2: Ahead and move on to this next piece with SOCCA.

1089
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: I know you have taken great interest in Solicans.

1090
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: It's just a little too per.

1091
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 4: It's two on the nose.

1092
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Republicans have of course been very upset and opposed

1093
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: to DEI and critical race theory and ibramex Kendy's whole

1094
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: are like whole ideological archetype of You can't just be

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00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: not racist, you have to be anti anti racist.

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Speaker 1: It is not enough to be just not racist. You

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00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 1: have to be anti racist.

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Speaker 4: Yes, there we go.

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Speaker 2: So some of this language, though, when it's about Israel,

1100
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: suddenly is being received with open arms from the what

1101
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: Dave Smith is called.

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00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 4: The woke right.

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00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to this rabbi

1104
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: who was brought by Republicans to testify about the you know,

1105
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 2: the scourge of anti Semitism across the country.

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Speaker 4: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 14: Anti Semitism is not just an angel prejudice. It is

1108
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 14: a temporary crisis manifesting on campuses across the nation. It

1109
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 14: is not enough for individuals institutions to merely claim they

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00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 14: are not anti Semitic. As my father once taught me,

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00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 14: it is not enough for people, especially public figures, to

1112
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 14: be neutral or not be anti semitic. One must be

1113
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 14: anti anti Semitic. We must demand the same of our

1114
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 14: universities and government institutions. This hearing, in my opinion, is

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00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 14: an attempt to be just that anti anti Semitic.

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00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 3: We need anti anti semitism. I mean, it's beyond parody. Also,

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00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 3: I went and I checked the tape that witness was introduced,

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Speaker 3: specifically by Senator Bill Cassidy, Republican of Louisiana. Took me

1119
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 3: about two minutes to find tweets of his railing against

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00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 3: critical race theory. So anyway, there you go. And it's

1121
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 3: a little bit too on the nose, isn't it, Because

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00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 3: what this shows us is that the DEI the I

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00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 3: now stands for Israel. We've relessed, we have left in

1124
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 3: illusion off and we've put Israel in from affirmative action

1125
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 3: in the state of Florida to the fact that we

1126
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 3: are literally deporting people who are here legally and have

1127
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 3: done nothing else other than pen and opinion and tell

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00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 3: them to leave because of their opinion on a foreign country.

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Speaker 1: We're open, we're spending.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about that too, and I yes, I

1131
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 3: understand that it's not just about money, but you do

1132
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 3: need to think that if the government is discrete resources,

1133
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 3: why are there five or six agents. Do you know

1134
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 3: how much it costs, you know, just to even employ

1135
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 3: all of them, and to go and then to arrest

1136
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 3: this lady and then put her on a plane to Louisiana.

1137
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: Like that's what you do for like actual criminals.

1138
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 3: Here, we're doing it for somebody who rode in op

1139
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: ed against funding Israel.

1140
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 4: That's right?

1141
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 9: And what are we doing?

1142
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: And to your point, yeah, like for people who are

1143
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 2: on board with the mass deportation plan, I would expect

1144
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: you wouldn't want to prioritize actual criminals. We know there's

1145
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 2: a lot how about that, we know there's a limited

1146
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 2: amount of resources, and instead you've got, you know, five six,

1147
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: a whole mob of these plane closed mass officers waiting

1148
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 2: for someone to like, you know, step out to break

1149
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: their sath with their friends because she committed a thought crime.

1150
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: And it's not just our you know, it's hundreds of

1151
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: students at this point who have been flag for deportation,

1152
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: some of which have gotten this same like you know,

1153
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: mass response flown down to Louisiana or transferred to Texas,

1154
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 2: et cetera. And as we've said before, it doesn't stop

1155
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: with the students either. It does not I mean with

1156
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 2: the immigrants either or even with the students. You know,

1157
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 2: they are talking about pro palestimee protests as being in

1158
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 2: favor of terrorism. That has implications in terms of criminalizing

1159
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 2: anyone who participates in those protests. They're using this as

1160
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: a cudgel in order to enforce compliance and conformity at universities.

1161
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 2: They've threatened sixty different universities with repercussions if they don't,

1162
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: you know, do whatever the administration wants them to do.

1163
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: And you know, basically they are using this framework to

1164
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: as a cudgel to go against institutions and people that

1165
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: they consider to be their political adversaries. I mean, I

1166
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: think pro Palestine just basically stands in for like the left,

1167
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 2: you know, universities who they think fostered anti Semitism or

1168
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: didn't do enough or whatever, like these are their ideological adversaries,

1169
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: and so they're using this framework that was sort of

1170
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: laying around That's what I talked about in my monologue

1171
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: yesterday in order to This is way beyond any of

1172
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 2: the worst of the like cancel culture epidemic on the

1173
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 2: left because of the way that the state is aggressively

1174
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 2: enforcing these speech codes to actually punish and deport people.

1175
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 3: Yet to bring it back to anti racism for anybody

1176
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 3: who suffered through Ibraheim Kendy's books. What he proposes is

1177
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 3: actually a Department of Anti Racism, which would effectively do

1178
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 3: stuff like this but on behalf of critical race theory.

1179
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 3: So it's worse because they've actually not only replaced the

1180
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 3: I and DEI for Israel, but then they're actually using

1181
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 3: the government for those purposes. And you know, you were

1182
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 3: talking about some of that action. So I'm not sure

1183
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 3: if you saw it. Just yesterday Princeton University or last

1184
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 3: night Prince University and Harvard University have had their funding

1185
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 3: put on pause over the anti Semitism initiative. Now, look,

1186
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 3: if we were doing that to actually like blow these

1187
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 3: people up and you know, make it so that these

1188
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 3: elite institutions not only are not only like bilking people

1189
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 3: for literally hundreds of thousands of dollars, ripping off the

1190
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 3: American taxpayer, I wouldn't be fine with it because I

1191
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 3: still wouldn't want to use anti semences as a pretext.

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00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: But I'd say whatever.

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00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 3: But look at what they actually extracted from Columbia University

1194
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 3: is what the ability to expel like students for protesting

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00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 3: on behalf of Palestine and then replaced the middle Eastern

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Speaker 3: Studies Department. To what benefit is that to me is

1197
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Speaker 3: the American taxpayer or to the student. That's not the point.

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Speaker 3: That's not why people hate higher education. You know, there

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Speaker 3: are many many reasons. Actually, I was just looking yesterday

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00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 3: Harvard admitted less people and it's class of twenty twenty

1201
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 3: three than it did in the class of like nineteen

1202
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 3: eighty two, even though the United States has grown by

1203
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 3: about one hundred million people or so that far.

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00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: Do you know why they do that?

1205
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 3: Exclusivity to be able to charge more And that's a crime,

1206
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 3: in my opinion, you know, really to artificially restrict her

1207
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 3: class size to try and bilk as many people as

1208
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 3: possible and also use your reputation to basically steal money

1209
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 3: from people who are applying to you, even though the

1210
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: odds and all that have dropped.

1211
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: We could talk about that in a much more equitable way.

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00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 3: Why are we doing it on behalf of quote anti Semitism,

1213
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 3: which is one of the fakest panics that has struck

1214
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 3: the United States here now in the last decade. This

1215
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: is probably akin similarly to the I would say, like

1216
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: you said, the woke cancel culture stuff, me too, et cetera.

1217
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 3: That happened in the mid two thousands, except this one

1218
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 3: now has the arm of the state behind it, which

1219
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 3: obviously makes it worse. Yeah, it's just preposterous. And then

1220
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 3: same thing. Look, yes, it's great to see Matt Walsh

1221
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 3: be like, oh this is bad, and a few other

1222
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 3: right wing influencers. It's like, yeah, that's nice, but where's

1223
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 3: the members of Congress, Where's you know, the people in power,

1224
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 3: who's why are people not you know, pointing to this. This

1225
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 3: was a witness who was invited by the Republicans to testify,

1226
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 3: like and nobody sees the contradiction and the fact that

1227
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 3: you know, this person even gets to be able to witness,

1228
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 3: you know, to be in the opening statement, which is

1229
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 3: obviously submitted for the record and cleared with all of

1230
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 3: these staffers, that it didn't even enter their mind shows

1231
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 3: you the level of hypocrisy.

1232
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: That we've now reached.

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00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 4: Very true, very well, it's bad.

1234
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's not just bad, it's horrific, because

1235
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 3: they really are My only hope is and I think

1236
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 3: I said this in your monologue is now our eyes

1237
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 3: are open.

1238
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: I think the world's eyes are open.

1239
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 3: The polling data indicates this on behalf of Israel and

1240
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 3: of US attitudes towards them. And there are a lot

1241
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 3: of people who have can no longer be silenced for

1242
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 3: quote noticing, and Tim Dillon one of those people.

1243
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: So why don't we take a listen to that?

1244
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 8: Yep?

1245
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 6: Is this being done from America for Israel? I mean,

1246
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 6: this is a fair question. Is the United States government

1247
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 6: now just taking edicts and orders from Israel? Is this

1248
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 6: what people voted for when they elected Trump is to

1249
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 6: have a country taking orders from Israel?

1250
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

1251
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 3: So you know, I respect him, and you know what

1252
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 3: I like about that is we can sit here and

1253
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 3: talk about this stuff all day long, but that being

1254
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 3: in the bro sphere, that's a good thing.

1255
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: That's in that positive And that's what I mean.

1256
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 3: People are gonna notice, and yes, a lot of the

1257
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 3: bad is being done, and I'm not downplaying any of that,

1258
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 3: but I do think that things are going to shake

1259
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 3: out very differently than the pro Israel lobby.

1260
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: Thanks right now.

1261
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 4: I don't know, Sorr.

1262
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see, But too, I mean, what the

1263
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 3: country will survive now, Like we're going to continue ten years,

1264
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 3: fifteen years from now, People who grow up in this era,

1265
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 3: are going to be like me growing up during the

1266
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 3: war in Iraq. And you're gonna tell them, come to

1267
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 3: me and tell me smoking gun is going to be

1268
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:50,439
Speaker 3: a mushroom cloud.

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01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna laugh in your face, right, That's what's going

1270
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: to happen.

1271
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's part of a it's

1272
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 2: part of a broader project, right, and it's part of

1273
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: a broader project specific with regard to education in universities

1274
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: in particular. I mean, this is like you know, Trump's

1275
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: executive Order on quote unquote patriot patriotic education. You know,

1276
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: they want to have leverage over these universities to control

1277
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 2: the type of education that you know, the students who

1278
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: Harvard and Yale and all these institutions are very powerful.

1279
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 4: Those are the people who end up in power.

1280
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: They want to use this cudgel in order to enforce

1281
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: compliance across you know, this is this is sort of

1282
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 2: the tip of the spear. And then it's the same

1283
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 2: thing with the you know, the warrant CRT and DEI

1284
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 2: and I have my own issues with those ideologies, et cetera,

1285
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: but there's a concerted effort to teach a sanitized version

1286
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 2: of history, and this is part of the cudgel that

1287
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 2: is that is being used to effectuate that broader outcome,

1288
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: because they do see these universities as an alternative power center.

1289
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 2: And so you know, this is something and are a

1290
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: sort of ideological architecture that has been supported both by

1291
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 2: liberals like Joe Biden and most of the elected Democratic

1292
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: political leaders and much of the media New York Times,

1293
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 2: et cetera. And so it's the easiest way for them

1294
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: to really push that project. But I don't think that

1295
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 2: it stands alone. It's part of a broader project.

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Speaker 1: Definitely is in an I guestion.

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Speaker 3: So the difference then between you and me is, yeah,

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01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 3: I have no problem withholding funding from Harvard from any

1299
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 3: of these other people for propping up DEI or teaching

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01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 3: for critical race theory, because that concerns our country.

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01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: I do have a big problem with.

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Speaker 4: Which I mean. But the idea of intellectual freedom.

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01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 2: Is like lists, it's agree with you, but like if you,

1304
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: you know, want to teach.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you're welcome to.

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Speaker 3: You have a fifty billion dollar endowment that you can

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Speaker 3: draw down every day. Me is the American taxpayer, and

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Speaker 3: others we can vote to withhold our funding from said

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Speaker 3: institutions now, and I think that's a pretty fair, pretty

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Speaker 3: fair rebuttal.

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Speaker 2: I think there's the that's actually fair in that the universities,

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Speaker 2: I mean Harvard and certainly Yale and these other Ivy

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Speaker 2: League institutions, they have the endowments where we talked about

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Speaker 2: with Columbia, like, they don't actually need the four hundre

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Speaker 2: million dollars. They could fill in that gap. It wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be a problem. These endowments have become so massive and

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Speaker 2: they're like a business in and of themselves. But not

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Speaker 2: many universities do not fall into that category, right, and

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Speaker 2: they're actually the ones that are most vulnerable, which is

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Speaker 2: why it's so disheartening to see the Harvard's and the

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Speaker 2: Colombia's and the Ivy League institutions, which are in a

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Speaker 2: position to actually stand up for intellectual freedom, you know,

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Speaker 2: and their own integrity. It's completely capitulating in the face

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Speaker 2: of this assault.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: See, the thing is public education by default, if it's

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Speaker 3: going to be funded by the public, then of course

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Speaker 3: we get to say. The idea that you should have

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Speaker 3: intellectual freedom at a quote public university is preposterous because

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Speaker 3: public education is for the purpose of quote educating the

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Speaker 3: public based on the payer right, So we.

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Speaker 2: Don't we want a public that's educated like about you know,

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01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 2: the educate raducated toy and Jim Crow.

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Speaker 1: Educated to what end?

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Speaker 3: The purpose of public education is to benefit the American

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Speaker 3: taxpayer by having people who are skilled it's curious or

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Speaker 3: whatever I mean, and to become a better Sitzan.

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Speaker 1: But there's also like an economic benefit to this.

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Speaker 2: So you don't think that public universities there should be

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Speaker 2: like intellectual freedom of public university.

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Speaker 4: I mean it is also not a public university.

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Speaker 1: Under that argument. Yeah, I agree with you, and that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 3: Though, is it at a state level, Like if the

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Speaker 3: state of Massachusetts, if they had a literal white power curriculum,

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Speaker 3: do you think that would be acceptable? I would say

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Speaker 3: absolutely not the state of Massachusetts at the University of Massachusetts,

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01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 3: if they those taxpayers voted to say that that's not

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Speaker 3: in line with what we want to teach our schools.

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Speaker 1: Be my guest, it's your university. You guys are the

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Speaker 1: ones who funded.

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Speaker 2: And so you think that teaching about you know, the

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01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 2: scourge of slavery and let's say are you known side

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01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 2: against Native Americans is forever is equivalent to a white

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Speaker 2: power seminar.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that if you're going to teach it

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Speaker 3: in such a way like the sixteen nineteen project did,

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01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 3: which was also funded and then used of some of

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01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 3: these elite universities, to say America is a revically racist,

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Speaker 3: then what are we all doing here? I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: no point, you know, to this entire thing. So this

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01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 3: is the problem, is you think one is justifiable and not.

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Speaker 3: I'm making a point about academic freedom, which is genuinely

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Speaker 3: value neutral. So if the taxpayer and the public broadly

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Speaker 3: mostly agrees with me about critical race theory and DEI,

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01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 3: and yes, they should be able to and that's what

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Speaker 3: you say, Joe's universities should not be allowed to do

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Speaker 3: this with our dollars.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's actually not even true though, that the

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01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: taxpayer in the country agrees with you about DEI. But

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Speaker 2: I think we can all recognize that there are some

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Speaker 2: intellectual inquiries that are worthy of debate, you know, to

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01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 2: take it out of race, like, some intellectual inquiries that

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01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: are worthy of debate, and some which are only add

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01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 2: confusion to the debate. So, for example, it wouldn't be like,

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01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: you know, worthy ofdemic freedom to have some flat earther

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01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: there trying to make their case, et cetera. But to

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01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 2: have people who you know, see race as a central

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01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 2: component of our nation's history, and you know, teach courses

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Speaker 2: on that, teach courses on you know, gender studies has

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01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 2: been a big target. I would say that understanding the

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01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 2: dynamics of our genders and our differences has perhaps never

1383
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 2: been more important. There's a lot that we could learn

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Speaker 2: from there. I think that that is completely within.

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Speaker 4: The bounds finding taught at a school.

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Speaker 2: And certainly represents the sort of academic freedom that the right,

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Speaker 2: you know, really like obsessed over during when you know,

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Speaker 2: during the Biden administration and previously, so you know, to

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Speaker 2: enforce this sort of conformity and like you have to

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01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 2: learn quote unquote patriotic history that doesn't ever cast the

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Speaker 2: America in a negative light. I mean, that's what they're

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Speaker 2: going for here, and they're using anti Semitism as a

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Speaker 2: cudgel in order to help bring these universities to hear

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Speaker 2: so that they're only teaching the versions of American history

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Speaker 2: that are approved by this particular rognment.

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Speaker 3: If you want to put your kid into some howard

1397
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 3: zin university, that's your right. You know, you can go

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01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 3: to some private university. But if public funded universities by

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01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 3: the taxpayer obviously have a right not only in the

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Speaker 3: say on the curriculum, but and to be paying forward

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01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 3: to propping up said departments which are genuinely one hundred

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01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 3: percent funded by them and not some major endowment.

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Speaker 1: I genuinely couldn't disagree more.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't really understand then, your opposition to

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01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 2: what they're doing with antisemity.

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01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: Because we're doing it on behalf of this is But know.

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Speaker 2: What they would say is that this is our foreign policy.

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Speaker 2: This is our This is the argument Marko Rubio and

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01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: others make. This is our national security, This is our

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01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 2: foreign policy. We want our tax dollars to go to

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01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 2: further our national interest as American citizens, and part of

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01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 2: our interest is in combating anti Semitism and bolstering our

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Speaker 2: ally Israel in the Middle East.

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Speaker 4: So what's your issue with what they're doing?

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Speaker 1: No, that's my point is that I completely disagree with that.

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Speaker 3: But I'm saying, I mean, do you really do you

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01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 3: really believe in a principle where the taxpayer has no

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01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 3: say on the academic input or the academic environment that

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Speaker 3: they're going to fund.

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Speaker 2: I believe that we should have academic freedom and intellectual exploration.

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Speaker 1: And the white powers.

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Speaker 4: I already I.

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Speaker 2: Already explained that there are certain things that are do

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Speaker 2: not add to the academic or intellectual sire.

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Speaker 1: Who's setting the standard the demon society does. Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, society input. Society thinks it's important. They don't agree

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Speaker 2: with you on DEEI. By the way, they don't even

1428
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 2: agree with me on DEEI. Society is in favor of

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01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 2: knowing the facts about our history, even the ugly facts

1430
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 2: about our history. And I think it's incredibly important that

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Speaker 2: we be able to learn.

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Speaker 4: And you're a history guy. You know more about the

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01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 4: stuff than I do.

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Speaker 1: Socer, that's my point, And it was important for.

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01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,560
Speaker 4: Your own intellectual development to know the truth.

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01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 2: About those past horrors, whether it's Jim Crow or whether

1437
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 2: it's slavery, or whether it was what was done to

1438
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 2: Native American people on these lands. That's not to say like, oh,

1439
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 2: you have to live with that shame and guilda this

1440
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 2: is you know what the right always says.

1441
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, you.

1442
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 2: Want to learn from the past, you to learn from

1443
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: the mistakes so we don't repeat them again in the future.

1444
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 2: And that's what's under assault here with this onslaught against universities.

1445
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 2: They want to bring them to heal so that only

1446
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 2: the quote unquote, the sanitized quote unquote patriotic version of

1447
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 2: history that is not honest about the warts and the

1448
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 2: truth of you know, things that our country has been in.

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Speaker 3: I would say to see curriculum for which you're describing

1450
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 3: that as because I think, go look at.

1451
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 4: What Pregger he was putting out, Go look at the.

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01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: Curriculum Florida University.

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01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 2: They used that for curriculums in places like Florida as

1454
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 2: part of this patriotic education push.

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Speaker 4: This is the broader project. And so if you don't

1456
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 4: see the way.

1457
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 2: That this anti Semitism thing is being used as a

1458
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:08,440
Speaker 2: cudgel to enforce a broader bringing to heal of these universities,

1459
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 2: like that is just one plank of the plan here,

1460
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 2: That is the tip of the spear. But the broader

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01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 2: plan is to completely bring these universities to heal and

1462
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 2: make them comply with whatever sanitized history that this particular.

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Speaker 3: Administration is yours quote quote sanitized history the other quote,

1464
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 3: true history is one where we just sit there and

1465
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 3: we're supposed to be like, oh, and these are all

1466
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 3: the most horrible things about America. You know, my education

1467
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 3: in Texas was terrible. And it wasn't because it was woke.

1468
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 3: It was genuinely just not Actually it had one inch depth,

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01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 3: of which ninety nine percent of the US population will

1470
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 3: ever actually read below. The vast majority of what I've

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Speaker 3: learned has been reading on myself. And what I have

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01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 3: learned is what is that there is deep complexity to

1473
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 3: the issue, and that with Jim Crow, and with the

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01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 3: slavery and the South, and the debates at the US

1475
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 3: Constitutional Convention during the Civil War and more, we're not

1476
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,520
Speaker 3: often all pure and heroic in the way.

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Speaker 1: That we like to learn or all that evil.

1478
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 3: Is that there was a deep amount of gray area

1479
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 3: in that time, and that actually the story of how

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01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 3: we were able to emerge today to a much more

1481
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 3: equal society, not yet of where we are is remarkable

1482
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 3: and is one in which we should absolutely study and

1483
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 3: I think we should celebrate now. I think critical race

1484
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 3: theory what it does is invert that on its head,

1485
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 3: and to say no, actually, where we are today is

1486
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 3: an immense failure and we didn't get there, and this

1487
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 3: so called true history or whatever, it's just like leftist claptrap.

1488
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 3: To be honest, it's not one which genuinely grapples with

1489
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 3: any of the good of the US. Is done because,

1490
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 3: like I reference with Howard's Inn and more, it views

1491
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 3: it as this evil empire morally corrupted its founding, as

1492
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 3: the sixteen nineteen project does. And what that instills in

1493
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 3: people and or the citizen is one this idea that

1494
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 3: we can never get better instead of looking at both.

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: I am equally.

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01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 2: Famis my issue familiar with your opinion, However, the question

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01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 2: is do you think that learning about those things should

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01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 2: be effectively banned by the state. I mean, but that's

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01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 2: the goal, that is the goal is to enforce conformity

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01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 2: on these universities and to push a sanitized narrative so

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01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 2: that you know, I just think that listen, you can

1502
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 2: agree or disagree with how central races and the way

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01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 2: that this infected, you know, affected our nation's development.

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01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 4: I would say that it's.

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01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 2: Been a pretty important part of many of the most

1506
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 2: critical battles in terms of, you know, how we've gotten

1507
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 2: to where we are today, and important to learn about

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01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 2: and see the legacy of et cetera. But like I

1509
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 2: just to I believe you've previously spoken on behalf of

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01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:50,839
Speaker 2: academic freedom, and to think that that's out of bounds,

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01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 2: or that the state should use its power to bully

1512
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 2: universities out of teaching that sort of you know, sort

1513
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 2: of history, is I think pretty wild.

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Speaker 3: Here's I want to be clear, I'm talking specifically about

1515
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 3: public education. I think we can all agree curriculum is

1516
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 3: propaganda in some form, yes or no. Now, in that propaganda,

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01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,919
Speaker 3: we all democratically get to decide in that public education

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01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 3: for what should be and should be not taught in

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Speaker 3: our classrooms. This is ultimately a parental decision. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I think what you're laying out is a ridiculous idea

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01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 3: where the taxpayer is supposed to give you unlimited or

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01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 3: whatever amount of funds and you're able to just be

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01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 3: able to do whatever you want and preach that to

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01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 3: children and or create curriculum for students science.

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Speaker 1: We cannot live in a society.

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Speaker 2: First of all, we're talking and have never talking specifically

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01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 2: about universities.

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01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: Okay number one, yes, but these are publicly funded.

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01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 3: Every time I look at my property tax, Bill, I'm

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01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:42,799
Speaker 3: pretty sure I know where a lot of it's going.

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01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 2: And we're predominantly talking about I mean, this just gets

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01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 2: to a I think a fundamental difference about what the

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01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 2: university system is even for, because in my opinion, the

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01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 2: university system is not, including the public university system, is

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01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 2: all about academic and intellectual exploration. That's how even you know,

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01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 2: even thinking through things that might be out of bounds

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01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 2: right politically, that are outside of the certainly the consensus

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01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 2: of the public. Like, that's how you push research and

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01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 2: intellectual activity forward. And so yes, I think that's important

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01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 2: to support at both the public university level and you know,

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01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 2: certainly private university you should be able to do what

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01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 2: they want. They're not doing good job as standing up

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01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 2: for themselves in the face of this onslaught. But yes,

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01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:36,719
Speaker 2: of course, I think having academic curiosity and risk taking

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01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:38,799
Speaker 2: within the university system.

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Speaker 4: I see that.

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01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 2: As a as a core value of the university system.

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01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 2: I don't see it as a place where we're just

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01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 2: supposed to like stamp out these conformist ideas and you know,

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01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 2: based on what the current regime approves that you're allowed

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01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,480
Speaker 2: to learn about like that is just that is completely

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01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 2: foreign to my notion of what the university system is

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01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 2: supposed to be all earning.

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Speaker 3: An issue here, which is what did I say that

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01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 3: I didn't actually learn all that much in school. I've

1556
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 3: mostly learned about it myself. So if you're curious, you can.

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01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 3: All the information you need is out there, and I've

1558
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 3: got about one percent of what I need and I'll

1559
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 3: be looking for with the rest of the five percent

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01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 3: of what I'm able to consume over the course of

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Speaker 3: my life. But last thing here is you made a

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01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 3: good point about what is education, the course of public education.

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01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 3: Why did we create it was to create a more

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01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 3: skilled populace. And my problem for economic benefit, that's the truth.

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01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 3: It's all namby pam be nice to say, oh, intellectual curiosity,

1566
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 3: et cetera. The problem that we have today is that

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01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 3: way too many people go to college to pursue degrees

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01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 3: which are not economically viable and which saddle them up

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01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 3: with a lot of debt. The solution to that is

1570
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 3: not to offer quote free college so that everybody can

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01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 3: go get little box checks. It's to make sure that

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01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 3: people pursue higher educational, vocational training or wherever, or perhaps

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01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 3: a four year college degree for the purpose of being

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01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 3: able to pursue the American dream, which you individually get

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01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 3: to define for yourself. So that's my last thing, is

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01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 3: just like this idea that you're going to be conformist

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Speaker 3: because you go to college. I went to a college

1578
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 3: with a bunch of woke people. In fact, being around

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01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 3: them made me a lot more intellectually curious about what

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01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 3: I wasn't learning in school, and you could pursue it

1581
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 3: for yourself. But that's an inversion of this idea that

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01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 3: everything you're ever going to learn about the world is

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01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 3: going to be at a four year college. No, we're

1584
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 3: supposed to lay a foundation for which you yourself can go

1585
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 3: from there in spring.

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Speaker 1: Some of that is risk taking, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: But and like I said, the purpose of public education,

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01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 3: and while we funded itself, is not to have people

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01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 3: sitting around reading proosts or whatever. It's so that you

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01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 3: can go out, you can get a job which is

1591
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 3: going to benefit yourself and ultimately benefit the entire culd.

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01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 2: I think that treating human beings and their education as

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01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 2: solely being about becoming effective cogs in the American capitalist machine.

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01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I disagree with that end.

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01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 2: Goal of that being the only goal in our education,

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01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 2: especially school and especially our university system.

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01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm saying, even in a communist system, why

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01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 3: do they send people to university? It wasn't again to

1599
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 3: be sitting around and reading and debating markets.

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Speaker 2: Funny that this is so fat send them to as

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01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 2: I think this is so funny to come from you,

1602
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 2: because you're so intellectually curious, absolutely, and you're so well

1603
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 2: read and not everything that you consume is about like,

1604
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 2: how can I generate more profit? How can I like

1605
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 2: you make you.

1606
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 4: Value?

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01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 2: And it has made you part of who you are,

1608
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 2: that you have that intellectual curiosity and that you have

1609
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 2: that intellectual development. And I'm not saying that all of

1610
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 2: that comes within a like traditional school system, of course

1611
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't. But I think an important part, especially for

1612
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 2: young adults within that system, when you have a fantastic

1613
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 2: professor who opens your eyes up to something, who helps

1614
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 2: you to understand something you didn't understand before, to help

1615
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 2: you explore the world, to help you learn about history

1616
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 2: and see the lessons of the past and be able

1617
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 2: to apply them to the present, and you know, understand

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01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 2: better the trajectory that you're on. So yeah, of course

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01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 2: I think that that's important part of the university system

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01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 2: and that it's not all just about like I mean,

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01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 2: why should anyone go to university at all if you're

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01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 2: just like training to for your end goal as a

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01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 2: human being of your career.

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01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 3: No, a lot of people actually shouldn't go. And I've

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01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 3: said that before. I think the amount of people go

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01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 3: is way too high. Probably should be twenty thirty percent

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01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 3: less because I think last I checked it was like

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Speaker 3: forty five percent.

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01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: But I mean, that's what I'm saying.

1630
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 3: Is the flip is I'm not going to sit here

1631
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 3: and tell you or even believe in a system where

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01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 3: the public education system is supposed.

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01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: To be the be all and all of on it.

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01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 3: As I said, that was much more inspired to read

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01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 3: and to be individually more curious from what I didn't

1636
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 3: learn in school and asking questions about that. So it

1637
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 3: just comes down to the fact that I believe that

1638
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 3: the reason public education exists literally at all, and you

1639
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 3: can go and look for why we decided for this

1640
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 3: grand experiment in the first place was genuinely not nice

1641
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 3: to say it, but the truth is is so we

1642
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 3: could all be more beneficial to each other. Part of

1643
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 3: that is intellectual exercise and more. But a lot of

1644
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,799
Speaker 3: what public education has become has become an economic saddle

1645
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 3: on the American taxpayer and on the individual who is

1646
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,879
Speaker 3: participating in the system, who is hobbling their life forever.

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01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,600
Speaker 3: I believe in individual pursuit of what it is that

1648
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 3: you want to do.

1649
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: I like to read for my own edification.

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01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 3: I'm very lucky I've been able to pursue a career

1651
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 3: in something like that. But even if I didn't do this,

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01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 3: I would still be doing it whenever I was doing

1653
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 3: something else. That's what I like to do. But that's

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01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 3: my point is it wasn't necessarily something inspired by the

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01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 3: great public universe or private university.

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01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,799
Speaker 1: I guess where I went for something.

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01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 3: It basically comes back to this idea of why is

1658
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 3: the public participating this in the future. I just believe,

1659
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 3: of course, the public has a right and has a

1660
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 3: responsibility to be honest of being involved in this and

1661
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 3: not some blank tabula rasa slate where these professors are

1662
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 3: allowed to take our dollars and then do whatever they want.

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01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 3: That has never existed for literally all of human history

1664
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 3: or conception of public education. It has always been any

1665
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:55,839
Speaker 3: curricula in which the state is paying for is itself

1666
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 3: a debate and is propaganda in some form? It's about

1667
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 3: a war of what is supposed to be in that

1668
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 3: propaganda to shape a better citizen ree And then that's

1669
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 3: the debate that you and I are having now.

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01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 2: I think universities should be about intellectual exploration, and I

1671
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 2: don't think that they will benefit from having a heavy

1672
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 2: hand of the state coming in to enforce what is

1673
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 2: acceptable thought. And I think we see that very clearly

1674
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 2: with the efforts that are being taken here with regard

1675
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 2: to quote unquote antisemitism.

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01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 4: So we can leave it there.