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Speaker 1: everybody's been involved with Trump sort of attested to this

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Speaker 1: being his practice that he would have his notes and

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Speaker 1: his scraps of paid newspaper clippings, classified documents potentially on

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Speaker 1: his desk. At the end of the day, an aid

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Speaker 1: would take it and put it in a box, and

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Speaker 1: then once the box was filled, sealed the box, put

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Speaker 1: it away. And so this practice basically continues into the

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Speaker 1: White House, according to this article, and I've actually also

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Speaker 1: spoken to people who were indicating this this might have

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Speaker 1: been what happened, and in particular in those classified presidential

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Speaker 1: daily briefings, if there was something that sort of he

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Speaker 1: felt vindicated him, or he felt had some like historical

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Speaker 1: import that he felt attached to, he would take it

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Speaker 1: and keep it. And so again that's one theory of

447
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: how and why he ended up with all this crap

448
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Speaker 1: at his beach house in mar A Lago. I shouldn't

449
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Speaker 1: say crap. How he ended up with all this stuff,

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Speaker 1: some of which maybe you know, very classified and sensitive information.

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00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: So anyway, I think the shifting defenses from Trump are

452
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: also It's classic Trump. He throws everything at the wall. Right.

453
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Speaker 1: The very first response from him and from a lot

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Speaker 1: of his like Republican allies, was the FBI must have planted.

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Speaker 1: It must have planted it, so effectively a denial that

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Speaker 1: he even had anything that he wasn't supposed to have.

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Speaker 1: If anything was taken, it must be that the FBI

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Speaker 1: planted it. Then it shifts to the one that we

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Speaker 1: had up, which is that as we can all relate to,

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Speaker 1: this is what he says, everyone ends up having to

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Speaker 1: bring home their work from time to time. American presidents

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Speaker 1: are no different because I'm sure we can all relate

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Speaker 1: to having top secret classified documents stored away at our

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Speaker 1: private resort down in Florida. Very relatable situation. So that

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Speaker 1: was the next one, which is sort of an acknowledgment

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Speaker 1: that he had materials that had been marked classified. But

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Speaker 1: also in that response, he says that he had a

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Speaker 1: standing war or that documents removed from the Oval office

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Speaker 1: and taken into the residence were automatically deemed to be

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Speaker 1: declassified the moment that he removed them. So this goes

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Speaker 1: to that question of like, you know, the president is

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Speaker 1: the ultimate authority in terms of what's classified and what's not,

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Speaker 1: and so he's saying, if I had it in my possession,

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Speaker 1: it is automatically the case that it was declassified. Now

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Speaker 1: again As we pointed out before, these criminal statutes don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily depend on this question of do you have to

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Speaker 1: go through some procedure to make them? Is it enough

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Speaker 1: if it was declassified and President Trump's own mind, is

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Speaker 1: that sufficient? Some conservative legal scholars in particular say yes,

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Speaker 1: that may ultimately not even be relevant to the criminal

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Speaker 1: statutes involved, but you know, it's still an important question,

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Speaker 1: especially when you get to the Espionage Act charges, which

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Speaker 1: again in the past have always been based on the

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Speaker 1: presence of classified material. Cash Btale, who's you know now

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Speaker 1: a top age Tchine's talked about being you know, very

486
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Speaker 1: high level Trump advisor now and potentially if he goes

487
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Speaker 1: back into the White House, he's sort of, I guess,

488
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Speaker 1: the mastermind of the operation at the current present point.

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Speaker 1: He went on I don't know what outlet this was

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Speaker 1: to defend what was it Fox? He was on with

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Speaker 1: Fox to defend Trump, and he takes a very aggressive

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Speaker 1: stance in terms of, you know, Trump could declassify with

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Speaker 1: the way the hand, let's take a listen to what

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Speaker 1: he has to say. By President Trump made it his

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Speaker 1: mission to declassify and be transparent. In October of twenty twenty,

496
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Speaker 1: he issued a sweeping declassification order for every Russia Gate document,

497
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Speaker 1: in every single Hiroy Clinton document. Then on the way

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Speaker 1: out of the White House, he issued further declassification orders,

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Speaker 1: declassifying whole sets of documents. And this is a key

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Speaker 1: fact that most Americans are missing. President Trump, as a

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Speaker 1: sitting president is a unilateral authority for declassification. He can

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Speaker 1: literally stand over a set of documents and say these

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Speaker 1: are now declassified, and that is done with definitive action immediately.

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Speaker 1: This is something I'd highlighted in the day of the

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Speaker 1: Rate and because Cash has been talking about for a while,

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Speaker 1: I think the reason that it also the counter to

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Speaker 1: what he's saying though, is that actually there is a

508
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Speaker 1: whole like legal process you have to go through. Even

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Speaker 1: though Trump is the ultimate classification authority, actually have to

510
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Speaker 1: change the classification markings and you have to legally kind

511
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Speaker 1: of declare them declassified. We went through a lot of

512
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Speaker 1: this at the height of Russiagate more and there were

513
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Speaker 1: all of these discussions around declassification and FAIZA and you

514
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Speaker 1: know what, the CIA and the FBI wanted declassified and didn't.

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Speaker 1: Trump actually very often actually acquiesced to a lot of

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Speaker 1: FBI requests not to declassify some documents, much to the

517
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Speaker 1: chagrin of many MAGA faithful. But what we're pointing to

518
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Speaker 1: more is that it's not at that symbol like you

519
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Speaker 1: can't just say it is. And actually this will ignite

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Speaker 1: almost certainly a court battle because if it is that simple,

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Speaker 1: then it actually changes the entire way that the classification

522
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Speaker 1: process works because he technically has While he has that ability,

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Speaker 1: lawyers have to go through and formally mark declassification in

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Speaker 1: order for it to quote unquote take effect. Well, and

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Speaker 1: here's there's a couple other reasons why this is isn't

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Speaker 1: really a sufficient defense. Number One, as we've talked about,

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Speaker 1: the criminal statutes don't necessarily depend on being classified anyway.

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Speaker 1: Number Two, if you really like blanket declassified all this stuff,

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Speaker 1: then it would be available by a public records request.

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Speaker 1: Journalists would be able to issue a FOIA, you know,

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Speaker 1: and be able to get access to whatever this is.

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Speaker 1: And at least based on the reporting, this is some

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Speaker 1: really highly sensitive stuff. And there's no indication that like,

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Speaker 1: you can't have the benefits of declassification just for yourself

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Speaker 1: but not have made it publicly available. I mean, that

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Speaker 1: would be a problem. Another thing is President Biden has

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Speaker 1: the same authority, so Trump could have declassified documents that

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Speaker 1: President Biden then decides to reclassify. Trump is not the

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Speaker 1: final authority. Once something is declassified, that's not the end

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Speaker 1: of the story. A future president could say, no, actually

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Speaker 1: I think these documents should be classified. And if the

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Speaker 1: standard is it's just in the president's own mind and

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Speaker 1: there's no process that has to be followed. You know,

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden could and say, actually, in my mind, I

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Speaker 1: classified these documents. So it's There are legal scholars who

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Speaker 1: take the position that cash Bital and Trump and John

547
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Speaker 1: Solomon and all of his people are taking that basically

548
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Speaker 1: like you don't have to do anything. The markets don't

549
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Speaker 1: have to be removed. There doesn't have to be a

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Speaker 1: formal process. It is enough that the president had the

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Speaker 1: thought these documents are now declassified to make them declassified. Now,

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Speaker 1: that is a that is not a widely accepted view,

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Speaker 1: but it is a view that could be contested in court,

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Speaker 1: and really hasn't There has not been a lot of

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Speaker 1: legal challenges to define exactly how this is supposed to be,

556
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Speaker 1: how it's supposed to work. But the last piece that

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Speaker 1: is a problem for them is, as we're mentioning, before

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Speaker 1: his lawyer signed off on a statement that didn't say

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Speaker 1: we no longer have classified documents. It said we no

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Speaker 1: longer have documents with classified markings. So again that makes

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Speaker 1: it sort of irrelevant whether you know, they thought that

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Speaker 1: they were declassified or he declassified them or whatever, because

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Speaker 1: they clearly still had the top secret markings on them.

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Speaker 1: So we started with in terms of the Trump defense,

565
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Speaker 1: we started with the FBI planted. Anything that was bad

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Speaker 1: the FBI planted. Then we went to, well, I declassified

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Speaker 1: this all in my own mind, and who doesn't take

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Speaker 1: their work home from time to time. Now we've moved

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Speaker 1: on to another defense, and let's go ahead and put

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Speaker 1: this was one up on the screen, which is he's

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Speaker 1: saying that a lot of the material that they took

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Speaker 1: was privileged attorney client material and also executive privileged material

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Speaker 1: which they knowingly should not have taken. When he says,

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Speaker 1: by copy of this truth, I respectfully request that these

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Speaker 1: documents we immediately returned to the location from which they

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Speaker 1: were taken. So now the defense is like, oh, this

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Speaker 1: was a turning client, this was executive privileged material. Now

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Speaker 1: one expert that we're both looking at was saying that,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's often the case that the DOJ sees

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Speaker 1: is material that turns out to be privileged privilege. What

581
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: they do how they handle that is not to not

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Speaker 1: take the material to start with that. They have what's

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Speaker 1: called filter teams to try to weedown anything that's privileged.

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Speaker 1: Imperfect process, but give it all back is not how

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Speaker 1: it works. It's also kind of contradict something that Trump

586
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: had said before, which was like, ugh, you just had

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Speaker 1: to ask for the docsm I would to get in

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Speaker 1: it to you, right, And it's like now he's like,

589
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Speaker 1: I want them all back. So anyway, of course he's

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Speaker 1: messing all over the place and just throwing everything at

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Speaker 1: the wall that could possibly stick. Yeah. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: we're spending a lot of time. I think, what have

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Speaker 1: been going on like half an hour for this? Yeah,

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00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 1: goes listen, this is this, whether you like it or not,

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Speaker 1: this is the central story in American politics. Like wy,

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Speaker 1: it's going to happen the heart of the investigation. What

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Speaker 1: we know what we don't know what the actual legal wrangling,

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Speaker 1: because it's going to have massively back. I mean, ultimately,

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Speaker 1: if this does result in some sort of prosecution. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it would literally be the trial of the century. I

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Speaker 1: can't even imagine political ramification, fallout, the integrity of the DOJ,

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00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: the subsequent congressional record, how it affects twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: So I do think that it's very, very important that

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Speaker 1: everybody understand all of the details in and out and

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Speaker 1: what the possible ramifications for everything are. Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 1: And for you know, my own assessment of this is

607
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Speaker 1: prior to this raid and search, I would have said

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Speaker 1: it is less likely, that is less likely than not

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Speaker 1: that Trump is going to get indicted. I would have

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00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: said it is, you know, less than fifty percent chance

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Speaker 1: that Trump is going to be indicted. After the search,

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Speaker 1: I think it is definitely more likely than not. Really, Wow,

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Speaker 1: I see. I still I don't know. I genuinely I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I mean, listen, I don't either. But

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Speaker 1: my thought is why I've shifted on that is because

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Speaker 1: it's it is an extraordinary measure to take. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of liberals who were like, don't

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Speaker 1: call it a raid, it was just them doing their job,

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Speaker 1: and really this is a big deal, and it's like, no,

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Speaker 1: it is a big deal. Whether you know, you can,

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Speaker 1: and I did. I mean, I think at last should

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Speaker 1: be held accountable. I think if Trump, you know, committed crimes,

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Speaker 1: I don't have an issue with him being indicted and

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00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: prosecuted for that. But we shouldn't pretend like this is

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Speaker 1: some like small thing, no big deal. FBI agents showing

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Speaker 1: up at the home of the former president, you know,

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Speaker 1: with the search warrant and going in and seizing a

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00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: top secret classified materials like that is a monumental moment

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Speaker 1: in American politics, with potentially seismic ramifications. And I, you know,

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Speaker 1: have I expect that Merrick Garland is intelligent enough to

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Speaker 1: know that this would be a massive political deal and

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Speaker 1: that it would be unlikely to go forward with such

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Speaker 1: a thing if you weren't planning on going that next

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Speaker 1: step and ultimately charging him. But that's just my that's

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Speaker 1: my guess. And really, honestly, no one knows except you know,

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Speaker 1: Merk Garland and potentially a couple other people. Nobody knows it.

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Speaker 1: And I did see some speculation Crystal that actually the

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00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: search warrant may have been just a recovery method in

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00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: and of itself, right, which is that it wouldn't even

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00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: be to the end of prosecution, although that is not

641
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: how it was justified. It could have just been an

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Speaker 1: end in terms of actual final seizure that was up

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Speaker 1: to their standards. But like you said, I just don't

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Speaker 1: think that they would go through with that if it

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Speaker 1: wasn't too a much broader end the massive and perhaps

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Speaker 1: it might have even changed since that happened, given the

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Speaker 1: fallout politically and the level of pressure that everybody's feeling

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Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, so that's how we have it, indeed,

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Speaker 1: all right, so let's go ahead and get to some

650
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: of the political fallout here as best we know. This

651
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: is also a very murky picture because it's very early

652
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: and we don't know how this all ultimately plays out,

653
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: but let's go ahead and put this Axios piece up

654
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: on the screen. So there was a lot of certainty

655
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: from the Republicans and from the sort of right wing

656
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: media Fox News and all the rest in what immediately

657
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: after it was revealed that this raid had occurred, and

658
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: then as some of the details started come out, the

659
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: response started to be a little bit less certain. So

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00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: they say, here cracks emerge in GOP's Mara Lago response,

661
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: and you still have plenty of Republicans a least Stephonic

662
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: who were all in calling the search a complete abuse,

663
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: suggesting that this is all directly because Trump is Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden's most likely political opponent in twenty twenty four, people

665
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: bringing up you know, Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton and

666
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: all kinds of other things. Right, But you do have

667
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: some who are calling for a little bit taking a

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00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: little bit more of a cautious approach. I thought this

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Speaker 1: one was kind of funny. So you have this one representive,

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00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, who's actually a former FBI agent.

671
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: He says that it is incumbent upon everybody to act

672
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: in a way that's becoming of the office. They hold

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00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: that is not casting judgment on anything until you know

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00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: all the facts. He set his call for transparency about

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00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: the searches ground and desire to restore the FBI's credibility. Quote,

676
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: there's nothing I want more than the American public to

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00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: love the FBI. Soccer. Oh wow, something else. You also

678
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: had this congressman, Republican from Utah, Chris Stewart, who told Politico, quote,

679
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean, if he had actual special access programs, do

680
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: you know how extraordinarily sensitive that is? If that were

681
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: actually at his residence, that would be a problem. You also,

682
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: I saw in some of the response. So immediately after

683
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: this happened, the House Freedom Caucus, which is you know,

684
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: super pro Trump, they were ready to go out and

685
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: give a presser at nine am, and let's go ahead

686
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: and put this up on the screen. This is from

687
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: my tweet. You had this little detail in one of

688
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: the New York Times stories that was quite interesting to me,

689
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: that said, some senior Republicans have been warned by allies

690
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: of mister Trump not to continue to be aggressive in

691
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: criticizing the Justice Department the FBI over the matter, because

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00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: it is possible more damaging information related to the search

693
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: will become public. And then lo and behold the very

694
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: next day the Republican House Freedom Caucuses press conference, where

695
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: they were certainly going to go all in on this

696
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: the deep state, which hunt et cetera, et cetera, was canceled,

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00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: and instead they had Republicans, who said on the House

698
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: Intel Committee give a press conference that was a little

699
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: bit more muted in tone than what you were likely

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00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: to get from the House Freedom Caucus. And sure enough,

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00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: after that is when we got more of the information

702
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: about what types of documents may have been seized form it.

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00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: I think everybody's in the same game we are. It's

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00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: wait and see. Nobody knows. I mean, we don't know

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00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: what was even taken. This stuff takes a while. The

706
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: warrant is probably the most definitive thing we're going to

707
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: get out of this in a long time. Yeah, because

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00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: the other thing, and from what I've read, the actual

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00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: affidavit which was submitted to the court, that has all

710
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: of the incriminating evidence, all of the actual justification for

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00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: the search. The warrant we had talked about this, but

712
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: frankly didn't tell us all that much. Yes, it cited

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00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: the correct laws, the laws under which they were looking,

714
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Speaker 1: and it gave us the inventory of what they were seeking. Also,

715
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: we have a little bit about what was seized, but

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00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: we don't know the actual impetus for the search outside

717
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: of what's been leaked, which is what makes it so frustrating. Yeah, honestly,

718
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Speaker 1: I mean, and also in terms of political response, how

719
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: can you calibrate You have no idea. Yeah, but it

720
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: is noteworthy that when the info first came out about

721
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: the raid, they didn't have any qualms about waiting for

722
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Speaker 1: let's wait and see and see what comes out of this.

723
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: They were all in and it was a uniform message

724
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: that whole evening. All the tweets that went out, we

725
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: covered how every single Trump twenty twenty four inchel competent competitor,

726
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: Pence and DeSantis and Pompeia and all the rest were

727
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: singing the same tune. And then as they started to

728
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: get I guess these warnings from Trump allies, and also

729
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: more of the information came out in the press about oh,

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00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: this was related to special access programs and there may

731
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: have been nuclear information involved and whatever. There's been a

732
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: little bit of a moderating effect where they're taking. Some

733
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: of them are taking a bit more of a wait

734
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: and see approach. You had Mitch McConnell who was asked

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00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: about the FBI search and he just wouldn't respond to

736
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: the question at all. Lists takes a listen to that.

737
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: But I'm here he actually, I'm here today to talk

738
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Speaker 1: about the flood and recover from the flood yep not

739
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: saying not a word. That's actually very reminiscent of the

740
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: approach that Chuck Schumer took on the night when we

741
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: did learn of the raid. He was on with Rachel

742
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: Mattow and he said the same thing. I'm here to

743
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: talk about the Inflation Reduction Act. I have no comment

744
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: on this because, you know, we need to wait and

745
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: see how the facts unfold. So it's interesting to see

746
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: them in real time sort of get a little bit

747
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: less confident in exactly how how hard they're willing to

748
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: go here. And I think some too were you know,

749
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: when you had Marjorie Taylor Green and others leaning into

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00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: defund the FBI, which I did a whole thing about

751
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: last week. I think you know, they also recognized that politically,

752
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: after they spent so much time attacking the left for

753
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: defund the police, and then they just turned right around

754
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: and are like, defund the MBI, they realized that politically,

755
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: maybe that wasn't the smartest I think they're also probably scared.

756
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean this always gets back to I mean, Glenn

757
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: always has that famous clip that he brings up from

758
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen where Chuck Schumer's like, I wouldn't mess with

759
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: the CIA. They can really destroy your career. I mean,

760
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: if I was an elected office, I would be scared

761
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: too that these people would come after me for criticism.

762
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: May may may have an extraordinary amount of power. So I

763
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: think that all of that remains to be seen. I

764
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: really don't know. I mean, in terms of the official response,

765
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: it's pretty interesting that everybody kind of has. I think

766
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: the reason and what explained the initial GOP reaction is

767
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: it was crazy. I mean, that's what are We couldn't

768
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: believe it, right, We're like, wow, they actually just catch

769
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: the point you're making. Our previous block rating a former president.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can say it's a rate Okay. They

771
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: stormed in there, like they literally broke into the guy's safe.

772
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: He's the former president and likely you know, at least

773
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: a candidate for the next one. That's insane. It's never

774
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: been done before. So I think that the reaction to

775
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: that was viewed very much through that context. And now,

776
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: as you know, as these things always go, you're in

777
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: the wait and see, nobody knows how it's going to go.

778
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: Trump himself has now got like nine different explanations to

779
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on. Things are not good,

780
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: you know, giving that legal disclosure you said at the

781
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: end of our previous one, you think you're much closer

782
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: to him being indicted. I don't know if that is

783
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: the case, but the fact that it's you know, at

784
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: least a fifty percent proposition, that's nuts, I mean ahead

785
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, So you can't disentangle this some

786
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: politics not possible. I wanted one thing I wanted to

787
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: say about because you know, we got the search warrant

788
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: and we got the inventory list, and now there's calls

789
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: for that affidavit to be released. I hope it is.

790
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: I would love to see it. I don't know that

791
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: it's I don't know that it would be fair to

792
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: Trump if you release it, because you know this, then

793
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: you end up basically trying him in the court of

794
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: public opinion versus you know, if you are going to

795
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: go through a legal process, or if you're not going

796
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: to go through a legal process and you're not going

797
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: to ultimately indict him. I'm not sure it's fair to

798
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: have that full affidavit out that will have a lot

799
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: of suggestive material which has not been you know, fully

800
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: like vetted down in a court of law. So I

801
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: don't think that he would necessarily want to have that

802
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: affidavit released, and I think it's highly unlikely that it

803
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: is going to be released. And you know, part of

804
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: why this happened now we suspect is because we were

805
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: right outside that ninety days before the election window. Now

806
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: we are inside of that window. So it's likely that

807
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: we may not learn or here a lot more on

808
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: this until after the midterms. The other big question that

809
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: we have been pondering, and you know, reportedly Trump is

810
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: being pushed by some of his allies to go ahead

811
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: and announce for president because this has sort of, you know,

812
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 1: hardened his base back to him. If there were people

813
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: flirting with other candidates, Ron DeSantis and others. This has

814
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: been it appears in the early numbers thus far like

815
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: it has been galvanizing for the Republican base. That's different

816
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: than the overall electorate. But in terms of the Republican base,

817
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: the early indications are this has been galvanizing. We have

818
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: some numbers from Trafalgar about how the raid would might

819
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: impact the midterms, fairly speculative. But let's go ahead and

820
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. So they asked, does

821
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: the FBI raid on President Trump increase your motivation to

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00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: vote in the twenty twenty two election. This graft that

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00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: we're looking at here, I believe is uh, yeah, this

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00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: is just Republicans and Republicans say eighty three percent of

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00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: Republicans say that it increase their motivation to vote. When

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00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: you have you know, people who are independents, they're more

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00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: like seventy percent. Democrats are less likely to say that

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00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: this increases their motivation. They fifty five percent of Democrats

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00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: say that it increases their motivation. So, you know, this

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00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: could be something that further motivates the GOP base. Of course,

831
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: I think the GOP base was already fairly motivated to

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00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: come out and vote against Joe Biden and the Democrats.

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00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: And then with regards to Trump and how he's where

834
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Speaker 1: he stands in a you know, potential GOP presidential primary,

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00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and put this up on the screen again.

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00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: Early indications that this has done nothing but help him

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00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: in a potential GOP primary. This is morning console they

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00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: say Trump's twenty twenty four primary support reaches new heights

839
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: after FBI raid. Fifty eight percent, roughly three to five

840
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: GOP voters now say they would vote for Trump. That

841
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: is the highest level since he's been since the lost

842
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: last election. So you know, it didn't jump up like

843
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 1: an astronomical percentage. I think it may even be within

844
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: the margin of air. Last time this was tested last month,

845
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 1: he was at fifty four percent. Now it's fifty eight percent.

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00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: But still it shows, you know that this seems to

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00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: have in order to his benefit. The person who suffered

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00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: actually in terms of where the vote share came out

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00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: of was Ron DeSantis. You also had a you know,

850
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: a high number seventy one percent say that they wanted

851
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: Trump to run again. That is also different that had

852
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: also gone up from previous polls about whether Republican voters

853
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: even wanted him to run or not. So look, it's

854
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: it's early days. There's still a lot more that could

855
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: come out. There's a lot of ways that this could

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00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: play out. But I think to me, the most telling

857
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: thing is what we covered before, which is the way

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00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: that all of these potential competitors immediately bent the knee

859
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: to him, just showing this is this is still his party,

860
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Speaker 1: Rum's party. Ask no question, even if he'sn't convicted, he'll

861
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: run it. I mean, I just think that there's a

862
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: lot of cope in this town. Here's the truth. He

863
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: will be the leader until the day he dies. If

864
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't run, he will be kingmaker. I mean actually

865
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: predicted a lot of this. Whenever he lost, I was like, look,

866
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: if you think you're rid of Trump, your nuts. And

867
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: as I said, I said, he will require everybody who

868
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: wants to run for office to have a pilgrimage to

869
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: mar A Lago and beg him for his endorsement. Well

870
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: that's pretty much exactly what happened in the last two years.

871
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean, look, even if he's you know, even if

872
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: he's somehow legally wrangled or whatever, to you the idea

873
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: that he won't be and won't be the leading driver

874
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: and forcing so many of the people like carry Lake

875
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: like era. Look at what has happened to the state

876
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: of Arizona and the GOP there not indistinguishable from the sorry,

877
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 1: completely unrecognizable to the Arizona GOP of ten years ago.

878
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: The same in Wisconsin. We covered there that Wisconsin primary.

879
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: The lieutenant governor who's like this Scott Walker teacher union

880
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: busting icon loses a primary. Unbelievable. He rewrote the GOP

881
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: across this entire nation. And I think this just tells

882
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: you the same story. And it's a very clarifying event,

883
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: which honestly, look, it would have been clarified in a

884
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: primary regardless, but yes, very right. I mean, he has

885
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: successfully made the Republican Party about one thing and one

886
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: thing alone, which is him. Yeah. I mean really, there

887
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: is no no issue set, no value, no principle that

888
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: is above Trump and above you know, your loyalty to him,

889
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: your fealty to him, your willingness to embrace any and

890
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: everything that he says. He has successfully made the party

891
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: just about the personality of him. So how are you

892
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: going to beat him? I mean, I just listen. Kyle

893
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: and I actually had this debate on his channel over

894
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: the weekend. He what is his theory. His theory is just,

895
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: you know, basically, be a little humble because anything can happen.

896
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: This guy could end up in diving, he could end

897
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: up in prison. You know, we've had a lot of

898
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: times before in the past where people are very certain

899
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: that it wasn't going to be Trump or very certain

900
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: that it was gonna be Hillary, and Hiller was definitely

901
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: gonna So he's his whole argument is basically, like, have

902
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: a little humility. It is possible that someone could come

903
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: out and defeat him. And you know, having the FBI

904
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: raze your home is and it actually sure, but that

905
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: doesn't preclude his political influence, and I think that is

906
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: what I would say, Like, I mean, look, defeat and

907
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: a head to head him actually on the pilot, I

908
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: don't think so. A lot of viewers did, by the way,

909
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: right in Eugene Webb did run while he was in

910
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 1: president in prison and received two million votes there. Well,

911
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: so there is a historical president, wasn't there like a

912
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: guy who was in prison who was on the ballot

913
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: against Obama in West Virginia. Remember that, you know that.

914
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: I remember there was something anyway, Yeah, so I guess

915
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: you can run for president from prison, which it has

916
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: been done, is all I'm going to say. You never know,

917
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: he was a socialist. He won a million votes Gene Debs. Yes,

918
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: Debs in nineteen twenty, right, he got a million votes.

919
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: So there you go. It can be done. And I mean,

920
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: I don't put it past him. So I listen, like

921
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: I said, I debated on the other side of I

922
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: think it's just I think it's a lot of wish

923
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: casting to imagine that Trump is losing his grip on

924
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: the party. I think this whole event demonstrated what a

925
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: stronghold he continues to have. But listen, you never know.

926
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: In American politics. You never know. Let's what at least

927
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: makes it fun to cover. All right, let's talk about

928
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: the FBI. This is a very serious store. Let's go

929
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: and put this up there on the screen. Police went

930
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: ahead and shot dead an armed man who tried to

931
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: breach the Cincinnati, Ohio FBI building. This was all on Thursday,

932
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: where an arms standoff ensued where a man approached the

933
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: FBI building in Cincinnati. He was basically pushed back from

934
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: the FBI building onto a nearby interstate in kind of

935
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 1: an hour's long standoff eventually culminated in a gun battle,

936
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: and he was shot dead by police who were on

937
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: the scene. Later, the suspect was identified as Ricky Shiffer.

938
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: He's a forty two year old man. Now, mister Shiffer,

939
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: let's go and put this next one up on the screen.

940
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: Actually was at the Capitol on January sixth a diehard

941
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: Trump supporter. And what has really come out since then

942
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: is not just his his presence at the Capitol on January,

943
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: but a series of tweets Crystal that he sent, not tweets, sorry,

944
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: true truths that he sent before all of this began.

945
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: His very last truth actually was this quote, well, I

946
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: thought I had a way through bulletproof glass. I didn't.

947
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: If you didn't hear from me, it's true I tried

948
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: attacking the FBI. It'll mean either I was taking off

949
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: the internet, the FBI got me, or they sent the

950
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: regular cops. Now, in previous truths, what he had said is, quote,

951
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: it won't matter if we don't get violent. We see

952
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: the courts are unfair and unconstitutional. All that is left

953
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: is force. And he says I'm having trouble getting information.

954
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: He was citing, you know, previous YouTubers and others talking

955
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 1: about people who are gathering outside of mar A Lagos.

956
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: So I mean, clearly, mister Shiffer was like a diehard.

957
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: It was not a Trump supporter. He was absolutely all in,

958
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: and he thought I was fighting a war. But this

959
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: is where things he had dicey. And you know, I

960
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: hope you know we have a lot of people of

961
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: varying political stripes who watched this show, and I would

962
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: just say that there is nothing, you know, regarding the

963
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: situation which is worth you laying down your life, so

964
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: please don't do that. And unfortunately we have seen let's

965
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen of Ken Klippenstein

966
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: talking about the FBI and DHS issuing joint intelligence bullets

967
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: to their entire staff warning of quote, the potential for

968
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: domestic violet extremists to carry out attacks in reaction to

969
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: the FBI recent execution of a core authorized sort in

970
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: Palm Beach. We've seen also some targeting of the actual

971
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: FBI agents who were in charge of the raid itself,

972
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: and just some other crazy stuff happening here in Washington.

973
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: I want to be clear at the top, we have

974
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: no idea of who this guy was, who actually did

975
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: what I'm about to tell you, but let's put this

976
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: up there. Overnight over the weekend, a man set his

977
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: car on fire, drove into the barricade near the US Capitol,

978
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: very close to where our studio is here right now,

979
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: started shooting indiscriminately and ultimately shot and killed himself. So

980
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: went ahead, drove his car into the barricade, shot indiscriminately

981
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: and ultimately killed himself. Was he a crazy person? Nobody

982
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: knows ran himself into the barricade. Now. To be clear,

983
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: it is not uncommon. We've had barricade incidents in the past.

984
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: We had some Nation of Islam people, you know, like

985
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: earlier this year, and so it's not like it doesn't

986
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: happen at least once or twice a year. But obviously

987
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: the timing happening so close to what happened with the FBI,

988
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: everybody's on very very high alert. Yeah, I think that,

989
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: you know, I just again like, look, nothing is worth

990
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: taking up arms and going to shoot at least you

991
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: know currently I probably won't be there ever in our lifetime. More,

992
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that tensions are high. There's a

993
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: lot of irresponsible rhetoric. And actually I want to call

994
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: back to what you discussed in our earlier block, which

995
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: is when Trump conveyed to the Department of Justice, he

996
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: was like, hey, there's a lot of people who are

997
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: very upset. How can I quote unquote bring down the heat.

998
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: I think this may be what he was referring to,

999
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: because also politically, what do we know, which is that

1000
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: events like January sixth and more. I mean, it's not

1001
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: like it isn't ultimately used against many of the people

1002
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: for the cause that they were supposedly, you know, trying

1003
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: to do. They just more of a police date. It

1004
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: only justifies more of a police date. Like ultimately, if

1005
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: your end is to reduce the police date or that

1006
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: is not the impact you were going to have here. Yeah,

1007
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: this guy reportedly showed up at the FBI office with

1008
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: a nail gun and an assault rifle. I guess maybe

1009
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: he thought the nail gun was going to pierce the bulletproof.

1010
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: That's an interesting one. Glass, Yeah, And I do want

1011
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: to I want to read a little bit more of

1012
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: what he posted, because I think it's kind of important.

1013
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: Just like you know, we we've dug into the manifesto

1014
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: of that white supremacist killer, and I think it's really

1015
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: important to understand the mindset, and especially when you have

1016
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: right wing commentators who listen. It's a free country. You

1017
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: can say what you say, but the ruddic is wildly irresponsible.

1018
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: But you know, Stephen Crowder out there like tomorrow is war,

1019
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: sleep well, Charlie Kirk saying similar things. I really said that, yes, terrible.

1020
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: I mean, it's people. You may think it's all a

1021
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: game and that people aren't really taking you that seriously,

1022
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: but this asshole was taken you seriously, and so he

1023
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: was truthing the following he said, people, this is it.

1024
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: I hope a call to arms comes from someone better

1025
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: qualified but if not, this is your call to arms

1026
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: from me. He goes on, go to the army, Navy store, etc. Etc.

1027
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: They've been conditioning us to accept tyranny and think we

1028
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: can't do anything for two years. This time we must

1029
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: respond with force. If you know any protests or attacks,

1030
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: please post here. Somebody replies and says, are you proposing terrorism,

1031
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: to which he said, very important question, No, I am

1032
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: proposing war. Be ready to kill the enemy. Not mass

1033
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: shootings were leftist, go not lighting busses on fire with

1034
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: transsexuals in them, not finding people with leftist signs in

1035
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: their yards and beating them up. Violence is not all terrorism.

1036
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: Kill the FBI on site, be ready to take down

1037
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: other active enemies of the people and those who try

1038
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: to prevent you from doing it. So all of this

1039
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: over the top rhetoric about this is a civil war

1040
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: and it's seventeen seventy six and sleep well Tomorrow's all

1041
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: this stuff. This guy believed you. He believed you and

1042
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: committed an act of terrorism and violace life, tried to

1043
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: murder an FBI agents and you know, and yeah, ultimately

1044
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: ended up dead himself. So again I'm a major free

1045
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: speech advocate. We both are. But if you have a

1046
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: platform to discuss, Yeah, if you have a platform, be responsible,

1047
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: think about the people who are listening to you, and

1048
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: hoor taking actually literally seriously the words that are coming

1049
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: out of your mouth. Yeah, I couldn't agree more with that. Yeah,

1050
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: I mean that's it is important that you read that.

1051
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: People need to understand, like how deranged. So it's also

1052
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: just always remarkable to me how similar all radical rhetoric

1053
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: actually is. Yeah, you could replace that like black panthers

1054
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies. Yeah, yeah, right, really really literally

1055
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah. Anyway, look, let's let's wait for

1056
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: the facts. Let's see what it is. I understand the

1057
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: tensions are high, and if anybody's out there talking about war,

1058
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: shut your mouth, because first of all, you're probably not

1059
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 1: going to be the one actually doing anything, and it's

1060
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: actual people like this guy. I don't know this guy's story,

1061
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't want to see anybody die

1062
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: for no good reason. Okay, let's talk about salmon rushi,

1063
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: which relates obviously very much to this, and mister Rushti,

1064
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: I want to give a brief, you know, top er

1065
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: to all of this, because some of you may not

1066
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: even know who this person was or what the background is.

1067
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: So Salman Rushdi is kind of a famous figure because

1068
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: all the way back in the nineteen seventies and eighties

1069
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Speaker 1: he wrote a book called The Satanic Verses. Now, in

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Speaker 1: the Satanic Verses there were provocative passages written. It's like

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Speaker 1: a fictionalized work about Islam, the prophet Mohammad and more.

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Speaker 1: Now this recalls like very previous controversies from the mid

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Speaker 1: two thousands around, like Charlie Hebdo and like Danish cartooners

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Speaker 1: who would draw the prophet Muhammad in likeness or you

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Speaker 1: know that guy who is going to burn a Koran. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: they were denounced by Muslim extremists. Rushdi is important because

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Speaker 1: actual fatwa was issued against his life by the Ayatola

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Speaker 1: of iran Iahtola Hamani. Now, the reason that matters is

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Speaker 1: the fatwa is essentially like a license to kill or

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Speaker 1: like a sanctioned death by an Islamic cleric. Mister Rushti

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Speaker 1: has essentially been under security guard since that time for decades, yes,

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Speaker 1: it's nineteen nine, nineteen eighty nine, that's right. Since he's

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Speaker 1: had since he's had protection either by the US government

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Speaker 1: or various police authorities. He's essentially been traveling the world.

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Speaker 1: Rushti himself is a free speech absolutist, somebody who has

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Speaker 1: really stood up and given the middle finger both to

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Speaker 1: the Iranian regime but to anybody who criticized him. And

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Speaker 1: I do think it's actually worth remembering a lot of

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Speaker 1: people in this country criticized him at the time for

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Speaker 1: writing the Satanic Versus, including former President Jimmy Carter. They're like,

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Speaker 1: this is needlessly provocative. Look, I mean, the man can

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Speaker 1: write whatever he wants, and if people are so sensitive

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Speaker 1: that they're going to issue a literal license of death

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Speaker 1: over it, then I think they're the idiots. So what

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Speaker 1: happened is Rushdi was in New York. He was giving

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Speaker 1: a speech and actually was going to discuss some of

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Speaker 1: these themes when he was actually attacked by a twenty

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Speaker 1: four year old man who was in attendance in the audience.

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Speaker 1: So we have a little bit of the video from

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Speaker 1: that incident. I'm going to speak over it. You can

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00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: see here. Let's gohe and put it up there, guys,

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Speaker 1: Which is that all of these people who are rushing

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Speaker 1: over to mister Rushti's aid. This happened right before the

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Speaker 1: event was actually set to take place. This gentleman, the

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Speaker 1: twenty four year old, got up out of the crowd

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00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 1: rushed the stage, which calls into a question a lot

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00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: about what exactly was happening with the security procedures, and

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00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: was repeatedly seen At first they identified as punching, but

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00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: eventually was identified as stabbing Rushty repeatedly all throughout his body.

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Speaker 1: Rushdi was stripped and given medical attention, was actually airlifted

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Speaker 1: away from the venue to a nearby hospital. The update

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Speaker 1: that we've gotten from his family is that he is

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00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: likely to lose an eye. He is on his way

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Speaker 1: to recovery. He was in the ICU in critical condition.

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00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: He's very, very lucky to be alive. But you know,

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Speaker 1: he's an old man. He's in the seventies, so it's

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00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: not exactly going to be an easy road. Now. The

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Speaker 1: actual guy who went ahead and attacked Rushy. Let's put

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Speaker 1: this up there. This is reporting from Vice News that

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Speaker 1: just broke last night. The twenty four year old was

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00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: accused of stabbing Rushdi had been in quote direct contact

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00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: with members of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps on social media.

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Speaker 1: That is, according to European and Middle Eastern intelligence officials

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Speaker 1: who told Vice World News Now this morning, we got

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Speaker 1: some even more interesting information, which is that the attacker's mother.

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Speaker 1: So this attacker, he was actually raised here in New

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00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: Jersey's name was Hadi Matar. He himself was raised in

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Speaker 1: a secular household. His mother has said that he became

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00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: a quote moody introvert after returning from a trip to

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Speaker 1: the Middle East in twenty eighteen. And Christly you were

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00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: telling me from reading the interview, he's an odd guy

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00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: in that he really didn't have a lot going on

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00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: in his life. Went in the Middle East in twenty eighteen,

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00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: came back, started living in the basement, became very strange, strange,

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Speaker 1: strange from his family. This is a classic story for

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00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: isis you know people I studied a lot of this,

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00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: which is that these guys, like disaffected raised in the West,

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00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: get some sort of tangential connection to their quote unquote heritage,

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00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: withdraw from you know, secular life that they're raised in

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00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: basically radicalize themselves online. According here, at least device, he

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00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: had some contact with the IRGC or with IRGC representatives

1142
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: or probably enthusiasts or whatever cutouts on social media, which

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00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: inspired him to go and carry out this final fatwa

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Speaker 1: against Salmon Rushi. I mean what strikes me is he's

1145
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: only a twenty four year old. I mean, he's so young.

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Speaker 1: So he was not even alive when I was not

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00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: even alive when sitonic verses and fought one. Also, it's

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00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: such a happening, long standing, right, I mean you know

1149
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: when when it first happened, I was like, I can't

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00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: believe this. This is a story out of nineteen ninety five, right.

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00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: I had to go back and exactly I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, what. Yeah, I mean controversy. Obviously, I'd

1153
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: always known, you know, some on Rushie, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is this is really something which if you're jen

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00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: X or a boomer like you're much more likely to

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00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: be familiar with. So that's the state of play. Now.

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00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: To be clear, the IRGC connection and more has not

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Speaker 1: been confirmed by the United States, The Justice Department or

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00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: nobody has yet indicted him for terrorism. And you know, actually,

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and put the last element up there,

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Speaker 1: please on the screen, because I think that this D

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Speaker 1: four please, because it actually connects to this story, which

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Speaker 1: is that days before the attack, the Justice Department actually

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Speaker 1: charged Iranian individuals in a plot to both kill John

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00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: Bolton and also to target former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

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Speaker 1: So this was seen as retaliation for the strike that

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Speaker 1: killed Kasum Solamani, who was the head of the IRGC.

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Speaker 1: I also think it's important for us to explain the

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Speaker 1: structure of Iran. Iran's government is kind of insane, in

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Speaker 1: order to try and understand from a Western perspective. You

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Speaker 1: have the Iyatola, who is like the spiritual leader of

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Speaker 1: the country. You have the IRGC, which is actually fully

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Speaker 1: separate from the rest of the Iranian military and political regime.

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Speaker 1: They only answer to the Ayatola, and they're much more.

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Speaker 1: They have their own aims in the government, also in

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Speaker 1: the economy and more as tiede from the actual political leadership.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you could call that a democracy if

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Speaker 1: you want, in terms of who exactly gets to get elected.

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Speaker 1: Then you have like these Council of Clerics, and then

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Speaker 1: you have an actual quasi parliament. So anyway, these all

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Speaker 1: kinds of answers to the Ayatola, but they're very distinct

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Speaker 1: and separate from one another. The IRGC itself is probably

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Speaker 1: the best known for our purposes as the major opponents

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Speaker 1: to any Iranian nuclear deal, largely because well both they

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01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: are extremist in terms of their ideology. But as I

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01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: understand it, they make a hell of a lot of

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01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: money doing smuggling operations going around sanctions like sanctions to

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Speaker 1: them are the best thing that's ever happened, because they

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Speaker 1: control in and outfall of the black Mark exactly. So

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Speaker 1: they have been trying desperately in order to make sure

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Speaker 1: that no new Iran deal or any friendly relationship with

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Speaker 1: the West goes forward. Also, they get a lot of

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Speaker 1: money for you know, missile development and all that stuff,

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Speaker 1: things that have we've been viewing for over the year.

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Speaker 1: So I think that that probably explains the domestic political

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Speaker 1: condition as to why they're trying to sink any opportunity

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Speaker 1: at some sort of new Iran deal domestically obviously. Look,

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Speaker 1: I mean we should believe extreme people when they are

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Speaker 1: they literally want to kill John Bolton, Mike Pompeo and

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Speaker 1: clearly is sanctioned or at least are okay with and

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01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: are celebrating this hit on Salmon Rushdi. They have come

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01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: out and said, no, we didn't have anything to do

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Speaker 1: with it. We'll see what the ultimate indictment. But some

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Speaker 1: of the newspapers in Iran were celebrating though, of course,

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Speaker 1: I mean they were like, yeah, they basically are like,

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Speaker 1: he got what he deserved. I think we should just,

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Speaker 1: you know, before we even comment any further, we should

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Speaker 1: listen to a little bit about what Salman Rushdi himself

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Speaker 1: had to say about free speech and its importance to

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Speaker 1: a civilized society. Let's take a listen and now the

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Speaker 1: moment somebody says, yes, I believe in free speech, but

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Speaker 1: I stopped listening because you know, I believe in free speech,

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Speaker 1: but people should behave themselves. I believe in free speech,

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Speaker 1: but we shouldn't upset anybody. I believe in free speech.

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Speaker 1: But let's not go too far. The point about it

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01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: is the moment you limit free speech is not free speech.

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Speaker 1: The point about it is that it's free. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: think that's really well said. So and just a man

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Speaker 1: who's risked his life for I mean, he lived his

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Speaker 1: life literally under I mean the majority of his adult

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Speaker 1: life at this point has been spent under guard for

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Speaker 1: writing a novel like come. This is stuff that drives

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Speaker 1: me insane, ananity. As I said, there are a lot

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01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: of people in this country who were like, well, how

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01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: irresponsible at the time, who have shamed themselves for basically

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Speaker 1: standing up for the Iranian regime, saying, oh, he shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have done that. Look, the guy can do what he wants.

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Speaker 1: And actually, our producer reminded us Crystal, he signed that

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Speaker 1: Harper's letter. Remember, yeah, I forgotten that kind of the

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01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: last time that his name kind of came up in

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01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: contemporary circles. It really was almost a forgotten and that

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01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: lent a lot of weight to that letter. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the fact that his name was on it, you know,

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01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: gave it a lot of sort of intellectual happen and

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Speaker 1: made it land with the force that it did. I

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Speaker 1: think it's important, as you note, in terms of the context.

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Speaker 1: You know that the Biden administration, I am very critical

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Speaker 1: of how they have handled the negotiations to restart the

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Speaker 1: JCPOA or the Iranian nuclear deal. We were the ones

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Speaker 1: who walked away from it under the Trump administration, and

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Speaker 1: now we're, you know, placing all sorts of demands on

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Speaker 1: the Iranian regime. When we're the ones who walked away.

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Speaker 1: They could have gotten back in from the beginning. The

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Speaker 1: political conditions in a run and also here domestically were

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01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: better at that time for them to re enter the agreement,

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01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: and now you know, you have opened the process up

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Speaker 1: for rogue independent elements like the IGRC to potentially to

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Speaker 1: potentially sort of meddle and try to keep this from

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Speaker 1: coming together. And it's important to recognize that context, even

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Speaker 1: as we you know, should continue to make clear we

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01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: don't know if there was a direct connect here or not,

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01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: even though we know that you know, he was potentially

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Speaker 1: according to the reporting in touch with some elements there.

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Speaker 1: That's not a definitive anything conclusion, but the context here

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Speaker 1: that there was recent reporting that there was progress on

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Speaker 1: the nuclear deal, you know, I think is important to

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01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: understanding what happened here. Bottom line is we hope that

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Speaker 1: Salmon Rushchi continues to improve and recover. This is a

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Speaker 1: horrific attack. And the last thing I'll mention here is,

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Speaker 1: you know, this was such a hot and dangerous situation

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Speaker 1: that actually the novels Japanese translator was stabbed to death,

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Speaker 1: It's Italian translator was badly wounded. In ninety three, the

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Speaker 1: Norwegian publisher was shot three times outside of his home

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01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: and Oslo and seriously injured. So this fatoua that was

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01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: issued in nineteen eighty nine, has already maimed and claimed lives.

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Speaker 1: And it's just, I mean, it's completely insane and indefensible.

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Speaker 1: And we, you know, wish him the best, wish him

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Speaker 1: speedy recovery, I really do. I mean, it's just, I mean,

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01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: he's an old man already, he literally is going to

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Speaker 1: lose his eye. And look, I think the best thing

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Speaker 1: he could do, he could do whatever he wants, but

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Speaker 1: I think that he should come out and again forcefully,

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Speaker 1: you know, stand by his principles, and I think all

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Speaker 1: Americans should be able to stand behind him. Yeah, in

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Speaker 1: a time like this. Indeed, Okay, let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: move on Alec Baldwin. So we wanted to give an update,

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Speaker 1: and we cover this case a lot, you know, at

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Speaker 1: the time, obviously it was very much in the news.

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Speaker 1: And there's a new FBI report, as you said, FBI

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Speaker 1: forensic report that has been obtained by ABC News, which

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Speaker 1: really cast out on a lot of Alec Baldwin's story.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put this up there on the screen. So,

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Speaker 1: according to this FBI forensic report, the gun that was

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Speaker 1: used in the fatal shooting on the rust movie set

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Speaker 1: could not have been fired without pulling the trigger. Now,

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Speaker 1: the reason that this matters is that Alec Baldwin had

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Speaker 1: come out and said that he believed, number one, he

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Speaker 1: was handling a gun without any sort of live ammunition

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Speaker 1: and that when it went off, the live bullet went

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Speaker 1: ahead and struck Hutchins. Now he claims in the past

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Speaker 1: that he could not he did not fire the gun. Now,

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Speaker 1: you'll recall this was a big controversy here because I

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Speaker 1: think it was back in December you and I discussed it.

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Speaker 1: I remember because you talked your dad where he said,

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Speaker 1: quote the trigger wasn't pulled, quote, I didn't pull the trigger.

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Speaker 1: He said it twice on the record in an ABC

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Speaker 1: News interview with George Stephanopolos, very clear about what he did.

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Speaker 1: Now this is and this also again ignited debate because

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Speaker 1: your father was saying, well, technically, accidental discharge could happen.

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Speaker 1: All of these things are possible. Other gun experts were like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, theoretically it's possible all of that. Well, according

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Speaker 1: to the FBI forensics, they said that that is not

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Speaker 1: possible with a hammer fully cocked quote, the gun could

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Speaker 1: not have been made to fire without a pull of

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Speaker 1: the trigger while the working internal components were intact and functional.

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Speaker 1: That is again according to their actual report, and could

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Speaker 1: I want to be clear, is that it could lead

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Speaker 1: to developments in the case. However, I want to represent

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Speaker 1: mister Baldwin's side. His attorney put this report out a

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Speaker 1: statement out in response to this quote. The critical report

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Speaker 1: is the one from the medical examiner who concluded this

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Speaker 1: was a tragic accident. This is a third time New

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Speaker 1: Mexico authorities have found Baldwin had no authority or knowledge

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Speaker 1: of the allegedly unsafe conditions on the set, and that

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Speaker 1: he was told by the person in charged his safety

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Speaker 1: on the set that the gun was quote cold, and

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Speaker 1: believed that the gun was safe. The FBI report is

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Speaker 1: being misconstrued. The gun fired and testing only one time

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Speaker 1: without having to pull the trigger, when the hammer was

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Speaker 1: pulled back and the gun broke in two different places.

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Speaker 1: FBI was unable to fire the gun in any prior test,

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Speaker 1: even when pulling the trigger, because it was in such

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Speaker 1: poor condition. But then that even leads to questions, look like,

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Speaker 1: what is going on with his gun? How did it

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Speaker 1: even take it onto this set? It was interesting. I

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Speaker 1: remember George Clooney was like flaying the situation because he's like, look,

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Speaker 1: I work with a lot of guns on set. He's like,

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Speaker 1: every single time I do, I take it, I take

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Speaker 1: it open, I show it to all the camera guys,

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Speaker 1: to everybody who's around me. He goes, I've never even

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Speaker 1: heard the phrase cold gun. And I mean Clooney worked

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Speaker 1: on a lot of these movie sets, so whatever the

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Speaker 1: hell was going on in this set, it wasn't good.

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Speaker 1: And look, it's just a further development. It does at

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Speaker 1: least say that, Look, Baldwin is clearly a tragic situation.

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Speaker 1: He may not remember, he may have convinced himself in

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Speaker 1: his mind, but he didn't pull the trigger. But I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: gording the FBI, he probably did both capacity for self delusion,

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Speaker 1: very very hot. It's a crazy situation, horrific, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: very tragic situation. No one is saying that he wanted

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Speaker 1: to kill this person. The response, because remember, part of

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Speaker 1: what came out and what we covered a lot of

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Speaker 1: at the time too, was how lax and chaotic and

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Speaker 1: haphazard this film production was. And in particular, there was

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Speaker 1: a you know, a lot of scrutiny on the what's

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Speaker 1: called the armorer who is in charge on the set

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Speaker 1: of handling all the weapons and making sure that they

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Speaker 1: don't have live ammunition in them, making sure they're in

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Speaker 1: proper condition, like you are in charge of dealing with

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Speaker 1: all of the weapons that are on the set. And

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Speaker 1: there was a response also from her attorney who said,

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Speaker 1: these new filings demonstrate various production member Riata Alec Baldwin

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Speaker 1: attempts from the very beginning to shirk responsibility and scapegoat Hannah,

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Speaker 1: a twenty four year old armor for this tragedy. Hannah

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Speaker 1: was tasked with doing two jobs, including prop's assistant and

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Speaker 1: the very important job as armor, but not given adequate

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Speaker 1: time and training days to do so, despite repeated requests

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Speaker 1: or the respect required of the armourer's position and responsibilities. Remember,

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Speaker 1: there were crew members who would quit shortly before this

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Speaker 1: because of working conditions, because they weren't able to you know, sleep,

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Speaker 1: because the conditions on set were chaotic and haphazard. And

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Speaker 1: then this woman Hannah was you know, really I think

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Speaker 1: this was her first time in the this job. And

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Speaker 1: so none of this ultimately answers the big question of

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Speaker 1: how the hell did live ammunition end up in this gun? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we still don't know the case, but at least,

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Speaker 1: you know, Baldwin's defense that he basically did everything right

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Speaker 1: and he didn't even pull the trigger, a piece of

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Speaker 1: that now appears to be debunked, because it's one thing

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Speaker 1: to say, Okay, in theory, if you had this type

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Speaker 1: of gun, maybe this going to happen, But the FBI

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Speaker 1: was examining the specific gun to see whether this was possible,

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Speaker 1: and at least their conclusion is, you know, it's not

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Speaker 1: takeaway from me is when the union guys are like, hey,

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Speaker 1: there's some really screwed up stuff going on here. Listen

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Speaker 1: to them. And guns are involved, yeah, listen to them

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Speaker 1: whenever they're like, this is insane, a crazy workplace. Don't

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Speaker 1: try and just hire scabs in order to like bring

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Speaker 1: down your production budget. Because I actually think that's a

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Speaker 1: massive takeaway, which is when you're handling live ammunition, firearms

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Speaker 1: and all this stuff, maybe you know, work with the professionals. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: don't cut corners on that particular aspect of the production.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Okay, Cristal, what are you taking a look at?

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Speaker 1: At this point, we do actually know a lot of

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Speaker 1: the contours of the events leading up to the mar

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Speaker 1: A Lago raid, and are beginning to get a feel

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Speaker 1: for the type of documents Trump retained even after he

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Speaker 1: and at least his lawyers claimed he had handed everything over.

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Speaker 1: We know from the inventory of the search and from

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Speaker 1: Trump's own statements that he held on to some highly

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Speaker 1: classified material. After all, Trump himself is no longer even

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Speaker 1: arguing that the Fence didn't find anything, switching from suggesting

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Speaker 1: that material was planted by the FBI to arguing that

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Speaker 1: whatever documents he did have was totally cool and fine

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Speaker 1: because everyone quote takes their work home from time to time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, who among us has instored nuclear secrets in

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Speaker 1: their private beach resort? Am I right? And then gone

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Speaker 1: ahead and lied to the FBI about it? Highly relatable situation. Now.

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Speaker 1: No one knows exactly what's going to happen now, whether

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Speaker 1: Trump will be indicted for this or for other alleged crimes,

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01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 1: whether this latest chapter will be a political death knell,

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Speaker 1: or ultimately some kind of political resuscitation. But we are

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Speaker 1: starting to get the lines of two competing theories as

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Speaker 1: to why he might have held onto these documents, concealing

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Speaker 1: them even after it was really clear that the Feds

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Speaker 1: actually meant business now. Trump's actions just in general, are

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Speaker 1: usually motivated by one of two things, reckless impulsivity or

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Speaker 1: shameless cash GRBs. That's how he navigates the world. Any

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Speaker 1: grand schemes ascribed to Trump generally fall apart under scrutiny,

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Speaker 1: Russiagate being the perfect example. He is not playing five

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Speaker 1: D chess. He is just responding at all times to

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Speaker 1: the most base of human instincts. And accordingly, two relatively

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Speaker 1: plausible theories of Trump and the docks have emerged, one

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Speaker 1: based on the idea that he is a narcissistic packrat,

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Speaker 1: and the other based on the idea that he saw

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Speaker 1: billions in profits from potentially selling government secrets. So let's

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Speaker 1: consider them both in turn. NBC News has the most

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Speaker 1: complete accounting of the narcissist pack rat theory in their telling.

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Speaker 1: According to Advisor's confidence and former aids, Trump is a

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Speaker 1: quote packrat who tends to leave the actual packing to underlings.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, they clear his desk

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Speaker 1: of paperwork, notes, scribbles, newspaper clippings, printed out emails, the

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Speaker 1: new tree alignment for a golf course, a new grill

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Speaker 1: for mar A Lago, and then the contents are placed

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Speaker 1: in a box on the floor. When filled, the boxes

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Speaker 1: were removed by an AID and stored elsewhere. When he travels,

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01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 1: and AIDS sometimes brings boxes along. This long time practice

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01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: then collided with his stop the Steel conspiracies in what

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Speaker 1: turns out to be a catastrophic fashion. Trump would not

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Speaker 1: allow anyone to pack up the White House because he

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01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 1: wouldn't admit that he had actually lost. This led to

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Speaker 1: a frantic and chaotic exit where those boxes filled with

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01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: god knows what notes and documents he had grabbed and

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01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 1: retained throughout his term were all packed up and sent

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Speaker 1: wholesale down to Mara a Lago. The logical conclusion of

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Speaker 1: this theory is that he either didn't want to give

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01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: up the documents when the Fed started asking because he

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01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: and his ego were too attached to them, and so

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01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: he lied about what he still had, or he just

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01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: was too lazy to actually even know what he still had,

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01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: and so had his lawyers claim they'd given up all

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Speaker 1: the documents with classified markings out of sheer disorganization and

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01:13:56,080 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: incompetence and laziness. Accidentally concealing nuclear secrets seems like a

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01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: bit of a stretch, but it is certainly possible now.

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01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: Trump Russia has never been the real story, though, of

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01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: grift and corruption. For Trump, It's always been Trump and

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01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: the Saudis, Saudi Arabia and I get along great with

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01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: all of them. They buy apartments from me, They spend

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01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 1: forty million, fifty million. Am I supposed to dislike them?

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Speaker 1: I like them very much. Trump and the Saudis are

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01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: a match made in heaven. They share an amorl transactional

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Speaker 1: view of the world, justifying absolutely anything in the name

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01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: of money and power. They even share a gaudy golden

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01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: marble style aesthetic, and Trump's first overseas trip was to

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. Saudis were big spenders at Trump Hotel while

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Speaker 1: he was in office. A single Saudi lobbyist racked up

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01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars in Trump Hotel tabs. Trump's

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01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: New York hotel saw a massive revenue bump from Saudi

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01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: spending when MBS came to town, and it just so

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01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: happened that Trump gave the country everything they wanted while

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Speaker 1: he was in office, backing their devastating warren Yemen, covering

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Speaker 1: for the Crown Prince after he had his goons dismember

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Speaker 1: journalist Jamal Kushoki. Post presidency, Trump and his family have

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Speaker 1: only become more financially entangled with the Saudis. Jared Kushner

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Speaker 1: landed a two billion dollars investment in his investment fund

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Speaker 1: from the Saudis. The details of that are actually extremely sketchy.

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Speaker 1: The initial review board in that country rejected the Kushner

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Speaker 1: investment before being ultimately overruled by the full board, which

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Speaker 1: happened to be led by Crown Prince MBS himself. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Saudi money is nearly the entirety of what Kushner

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Speaker 1: has raised into his fund thus far, and was given

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Speaker 1: of better terms than what former Treasury Secretary Steve Mnushan

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Speaker 1: was able to secure. That in spite of the fact that,

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01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: unlike Kushner, Manushin at least has an actual track record

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01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: of success in a similar space. Now Trump himself is

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01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: getting a massive payday from his partnership with Live Golf

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01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: from Saudi Arabia, the Saudi Golf League upstart that is

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01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: luring players away from the PGA Tour with big checks.

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Speaker 1: We don't know exactly how much, but given how much

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01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 1: money they are throwing around in general speculation as Trump

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01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: is getting perhaps one hundred million dollars to host tournaments

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Speaker 1: for that league. So the Trump Saudi financial connections and

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01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: entanglements are very real, They're massive, they're well documented. What

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Speaker 1: does any of this have to do with classified documents,

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Speaker 1: including some potentially containing nuclear secrets, Well, it just so happens.

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Speaker 1: The Saudis have a long standing interest in developing their

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01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: own nuclear program and have spent millions on lobbyists to

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01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: try to achieve those aims. As Jed Lugan points out,

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01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: whistleblowers under the Trump administration actually raise concerns about Trump

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Speaker 1: officials attempting to transfer nuclear secrets to the Saudis. Kingdom

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Speaker 1: has made no secret of its ambitions to start a

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Speaker 1: civilian nuclear program, but they have also refused to agree

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01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: to normal non proliferation standards. Those standards are designed to

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Speaker 1: prevent countries from moving from civilian use into bomb production.

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Speaker 1: So the Saudis have a clear interest in some of

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Speaker 1: the classified info regarding our own nuclear capabilities and also

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01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: that of our allies like Israel. You don't need a

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01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: p tape and elaborate schemes of useful idiots or secret

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01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 1: computer servers and multidecade intelligent assets intelligence assets. To understand

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Speaker 1: the Trump Saudi relationship, It's about mutual self interest and

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01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,799
Speaker 1: it's about money. It's very simple, it's very direct. Now listen. Personally,

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01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 1: I tend to still lean towards the dumbest possible explanation

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01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: being the crist But the Saudi Trump theory does have

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01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: a few things going for it. Namely, it provides an

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01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: explanation for why, even after the FBI came calling, and

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01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 1: even af they issued a subpoena, Trump continued to conceal

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01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: information about nuclear secrets and special access programs. On the

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01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: other hand, it seems less possible to imagine that, as

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01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: his aides were rushing in chaotic fashion a pack up

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01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: the White House, that anyone would have had the foresight

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01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: to purloin these specific documents that would have held the

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01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: highest possible dollar value for the Saudis. I guess there

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01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: is a third possibility here as well, sort of mesh

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01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,879
Speaker 1: of the two, that Trump ended up with the documents

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01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: by accident because he's a narcissistic pack rat, but then

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01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: kept them in lied about them because he realized they

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01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 1: had some financial value to the Saudis. Bumbling into selling

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01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 1: out his country. Listen, we may ultimately never know exactly

1519
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: how it all unfolded and why, And in terms of

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01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 1: his legal jeopardy, it might not ultimately even matter, because

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01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: even the most exonerating possible narrative here that Trump is

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01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: just a bumbling, narcissist pack rat, it doesn't actually get

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01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: him off the hook legally. The statues he's being investigated under,

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01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: as we covered before, they don't require him to sell

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01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:05,440
Speaker 1: secrets to the Saudis. As Ken Clippenstein notes, quote, prosecution

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01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: under the Espionage Act doesn't require proof of espionage, just

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01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 1: that the subject wilfully retains classified material and fails to

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01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: deliver it upon official request. And even if you buy

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01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 1: the rather novel legal theories conservatives are now offering, the

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01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: documents can be declassified at any time in a president's

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01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: mind without even telling anyone. The criminal statutes that he's

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01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: being investigated under don't necessarily require that the documents were

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01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 1: classified in order for him to be in violation of

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01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: the law, as far as the legal requirement that he

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01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: be in wilful violation of the law, the inaccurate statement

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01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: from his lawyer that everything had been turned over goes

1537
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: a long way towards proving that we'll see Trump's greatest

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01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 1: hope at this point might be that the DOJ just

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01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: doesn't have the stones to charge the case, in spite

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01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: of the fact that I think it's pretty clear at

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01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: this point if this was any other private citizen, they

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01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 1: would build the jail on top of them. In other words,

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01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: I like to see old Donnie Rayla's leyand of the

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01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: sham Sagar And if you want to hear my reaction

1545
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 1: to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints

1546
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: dot Com. All right, Tago, what are looking at it? Well,

1547
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: I've had this one in my pocket for some time now,

1548
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 1: but of course the Trump raade kind of shadowed of everything.

1549
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: I still think it's worth spending a lot of time

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01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 1: on and actually parsing fact from fiction. By now, you

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01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: may have heard that the new so called Inflation Reduction

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01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: Act partially paid for its spending by spending billions of

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01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 1: dollars on IRS enforcement and specifically hiring eighty seven thousand

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01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: new IRS agents. The GOP has been made a lot

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01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: of the hiring of these new tax agents since the

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01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: bill's passage, noting that it will dramatically increase the number

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Speaker 1: of audits of working class people, that those audits will inevitably,

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01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 1: of course, touch the working poor. Democrats counter that by

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01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 1: saying that, in fact, the point of the funding the

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01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 1: IRS was to make sure that hire income households who

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01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: are not paying their taxes will instead face all of

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01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 1: the scrutiny. Now, part of the reason why historical basis

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01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 1: tells us that increasing IRS tax enforcement almost always is

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01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: a winner for the US government treasury is that it

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01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 1: returns many multiples and dollars invested historically by recovering unpaid

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01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: taxes from the current system. Now, to start with, I

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01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 1: want to say that while I think a lot of

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01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 1: GOP rhetoric today is not grounded in genuine concern, they

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01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: are not wrong about the fundamentals. This has been a

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01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: personal crusade of mind for years to highlight the fact

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01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: that Americans who make less than twenty five thousand dollars

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01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 1: a year are audited five times more than any other

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01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: income group in the United States, and that often Congress

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01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,759
Speaker 1: seeks to rip money from the hands of working poor

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01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 1: by penalizing small businessmen or tradesmen who use payments app

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01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 1: like Venmo to force compliance rather than to close the

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01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 1: carried interest loophole or the step up basis. And if

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01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: you look at this bill, that story is still present.

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01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 1: Kirson Cinema insisted on shutting down even a small effort

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01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 1: to extend the carried interest loophole, which literally only helps

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01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 1: multimillionaires in the private equit industry, and even went to

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01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: ensure that they got a tax advantage in the bill.

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01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 1: She did not object, however, to new IRS agents. And

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Speaker 1: this brings us further into the facts. Why are working

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01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: poor more likely to get audited in the first place.

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01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: It depends on whom Uss Democrats and the IRS themselves say.

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01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: It's because the GOP has for nearly a decade underfunded

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01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: the IRS. The National Taxpayer Advocate Aaron Collins wrote in

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01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty one report that the budget cuts and

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01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 1: more duties foisted on the IRS during the pandemic have

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01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 1: created a disaster situation where the IRS is nearly unresponsive

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01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 1: to asks from tens of millions of Americans. Thus, they

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01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 1: rely on so called easy audios and automatically generated once

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01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: which are disproportionately against the working poor while not targeting

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01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 1: the richest Americans. Furthermore, they actually point to the fact

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01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: that bringing an audit against billionaires or multimillionaires, who are

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01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 1: far more likely to actually cheat on their taxes is

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01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: no small feet. Such individuals have legions of lawyers and

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01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 1: accountants who can cost the IRS millions of dollars in

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01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: legal fees should they decide to bring an audit. Thus,

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01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 1: the democratic justification for funding the IRS specifically is to

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01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 1: give the resources to do so. If you look into

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01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 1: the details, there is some justification for this. The current

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01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,480
Speaker 1: IRS is made up of approximately one hundred thousand individuals,

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01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: approximately fifty percent of them, according to IRS data, themselves,

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01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: are scheduled for retirement eligibility in the next five years. Thus,

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01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: the figure of the eighty seven thousand tax agents that

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01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 1: you've heard about is spread across ten years is meant,

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01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: according to the IRS, as a way to backfill retirements.

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01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: Now onto the audit question specifically, is where things get

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01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: very dicey. House leader Kevin McCarthy noted recently, as I

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01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: just showed you that if you make less than seventy

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01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars or less, there will be approximately seven

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01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand new audits as a result. Of

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01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 1: the bill that is basically derivative of a lot of

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01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 1: GOP messaging, which is that this new legion of IRS

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01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: agents will intrude on the lives of Americans and ruin

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01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: specifically the working poor. Once again, I have deep sympathy

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01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,759
Speaker 1: for this idea because that is literally what the IRS

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01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 1: has been doing now for years. But let's look very

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01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 1: closely at the facts. Two Democrats have promised that the

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01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: new IRS funding will not target anyone making less than

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01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,839
Speaker 1: four hundred thousand dollars per year, citing the correct data

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01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: that the audit rate for people reporting higher than ten

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01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: billion dollars has plunged from twenty one percent to three

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01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,759
Speaker 1: percent in the last ten years, and that further data

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01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 1: that audit rate generally has shown a plunge of nearly

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01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 1: twenty percent for most Americans, while actually increasing on the

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01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: working poor. However, and this is where it's important to

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01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: note the specific details, all of this is based purely

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01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: upon the word of the IRS. It is not in

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01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 1: the law. IRS Commissioner Charles rehtig He wrote a letter

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01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,799
Speaker 1: to Congress seeking to allay GOP concerns. He said, quote,

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Speaker 1: it is absolutely not going to increase audits on those

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01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: making less than four hundred thousand dollars a year, or

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01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 1: on small business owners. Rehtig cited the so called Green Book,

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01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 1: which is published by the US Department of Treasury and

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01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: outlines their policy. Furthermore, Reddig's statement is also important to parse.

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01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: His quote said households making less than four hundred thousand,

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01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 1: but the actual quote from the Treasury Green Book is quote.

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01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,719
Speaker 1: The proposal would direct that additional resources go toward enforcement

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01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 1: against those with the highest incomes rather than Americans with

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01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 1: actual income of less than four hundred thousand. Actual income

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01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 1: figure means that the IRS is giving itself significant leeway

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01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 1: to audit anyone that it suspects is hiding income and

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01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 1: makes a so called actual income of less than four

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01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 1: hundred thousand. In fact, the Congressional Budget Office, which is

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01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: supposedly nonpartisan, at least agrees, saying that at least twenty

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01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: billion dollars will be raised from audits on those who

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01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 1: are lower to middle income. Now, to be fair, that

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01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: is not what the majority of the bill is supposed

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01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 1: to raise, but they claim that no money and no

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01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 1: audits will be targeted towards those under four hundred k

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01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 1: and specifically towards the working poor does not in fact

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01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 1: seem to be true. So that is where I have

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01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: landed after reviewing everything for myself. The doomsday scenario being

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01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: painted is not true, but the promises of only targeting

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01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 1: the rich are not true either, And in general, I

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01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,799
Speaker 1: think that we are at a point where the IRS

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01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 1: and the Treasury Department don't deserve a lot of our

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01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: trust after they have now targeted the working poor for

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01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:05,839
Speaker 1: nearly a decade. Simply because they pinky promise us something

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01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 1: does not mean that we should just take their word

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01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: for it. And that is where with the final word,

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01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:13,879
Speaker 1: I have to blame some Democrats. Senator Mike Crapo of Idaho,

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01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: during the voting process on the bill, actually offered an

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01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 1: amendment which would have forced the IRS to actually promise

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01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 1: this under four hundred k stipp stipulation into the law. Now.

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01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: Senate Democrats voted against it on a party line vote

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Speaker 1: because it would have cost approximately twenty billion dollars in

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01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: raised revenue, which they needed to pay for the rest

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01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:37,480
Speaker 1: of the bill. That single clause may open the IRS

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01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 1: and any future administration to use these resources to target

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01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 1: any income group that they want. That is not acceptable.

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01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: With the trust's deficit that we have in our society,

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01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: and frankly, if the Dems know what's good for them politically,

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01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:54,480
Speaker 1: they would close that loophole and pass similar texts immediately. Republicans,

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01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: by the way, are already on record supporting it. It

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01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: should be a very easy vote and an easy fix.

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01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: If they don't, it will also tell us and everybody

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01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 1: who votes against this deserves to be punished at the

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01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 1: ballot box for the consequences. So that's where I ended up, Crystal.

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01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 1: It took a lot of digging. Yeah, and if you

1684
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 1: want to hear my reaction to Sager's monologue, become a

1685
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 1: premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com. So joining us now,

1686
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 1: We're very lucky to have a filmmaker who actually had

1687
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: extraordinary access to the Trump family building up to the election,

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01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: after the election, through all the stop the steel stuff,

1689
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 1: and all the way up through January sixth, Alex Holder,

1690
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 1: that documentarian and filmmaker joins us now. And Alex, you've

1691
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 1: become even more sort of central to the news because

1692
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: you were subpoena and testified in front of the January

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01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: sixth committee. You've also been subpoenaed as part of this

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01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 1: investigation that is going on in Georgia into the fake

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Speaker 1: elector scheme. There. So pretty extraordinary how you've ended up

1696
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 1: in the middle of this. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, So before

1697
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: we before we talk about the film and what you've

1698
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: learned from your process, you know, your interactions with the

1699
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 1: congressional and legal system. Here, let's take a look at

1700
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 1: the documentary. It's called Unprecedented. I watched it last night.

1701
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 1: It is very well done. You know, you did have

1702
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 1: incredible access to the family. It was really something to

1703
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: relive all of those moments. Let's take a look at

1704
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: the trailer. The new revelation is making some members of

1705
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: former President Trump's inner circle nervous. The January sixth House

1706
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 1: of Select Committee is examining the three part documentaries Unprecedented, Unprecedented, Unprecedented.

1707
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,440
Speaker 1: What do you think we'll learn from this new documentary

1708
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: footage a former President Donald Trump as well as his

1709
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 1: oldest children and some of his senior advisors. As Avonka

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01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: Tromp responded, did he express any remorse your show? When

1711
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: it goes on, I'll be putting out a statement. Go

1712
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 1: watch it. It'll be on Discovery, Okay, who knows where

1713
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 1: it's going to be on right, So you talked to

1714
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 1: all this children, You're there at their events, You're there,

1715
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, at January sixth, you got all this incredible footage.

1716
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 1: I guess my first question was why do you think

1717
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: that they agreed to do this. That's a great question.

1718
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: And also just before, you know, in that trailer where

1719
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 1: he says I'm going to put out a statement, he

1720
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 1: did not put out a statement. They go watching that

1721
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 1: exactly me too, right. I think the reason they agreed

1722
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 1: to participate was a few factors, and this is just

1723
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: my speculation. One is that at the time when I

1724
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: met them, they were convinced again to win the election.

1725
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: You know, even though the polls were a gettinst them.

1726
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: It was the same the same thing they were saying

1727
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, in the previous election, which

1728
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 1: is the polls are wrong and we were going to win,

1729
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 1: and we're going to prove everyone you know wrong again.

1730
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: And Don Junior's famous line was during the campaign was

1731
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 1: let's make liberals cry again, which I thought was pretty cruel.

1732
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 1: That was sort of their mentality at the time, where

1733
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 1: they think we're going to win. So here was a

1734
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 1: guy that was going to film them actually win the election.

1735
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: Unfortunately some of them still think they won. But at

1736
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: the time that was the that was the preference. And

1737
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 1: then the second reason, I think was that I was

1738
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: foreign and so I didn't really have any skin a

1739
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: game politically, so I think that was also an important point.

1740
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 1: And maybe the third was my British charm, but we

1741
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 1: are suckers for that, especially Trump. His mom was British, remember,

1742
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 1: he is great reverence between makes a lot of sense, Alex,

1743
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: Just tell me the general what did you learn through

1744
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 1: the course of the documentary, which applies to everything that

1745
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 1: we have going on right now with the FBI raid,

1746
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 1: the context in which Trump views both the rules and

1747
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: the stop the steal and so many of the issues

1748
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: that are at the center of you know, the subpoenas

1749
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 1: that you're now kind of drowning in. What was your

1750
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: general impression, having dealt with the people around him and

1751
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: with Trump himself at this very critical and pivotal time. Yeah,

1752
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 1: I mean, well, one is that he was totally not

1753
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 1: suitable for the role. I mean, it was just very

1754
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 1: clear he he he is somebody who believes that everything

1755
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 1: belongs to him. Everything that he touches is brilliant and superb.

1756
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 1: You know, he's got this unusual we say ego, but

1757
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:14,720
Speaker 1: I mean it's this narcissistic quality where everything that he is,

1758
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: everything that he is surrounded by, is just brilliant. And

1759
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: one of the things that's so interesting about Trump. I

1760
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 1: mean you were saying before that you know, you've meant that,

1761
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 1: You've interviewed a few times and you get to see

1762
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 1: this sort of quality where Trump doesn't actually understand why

1763
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 1: people don't like him unless he doesn't like them first, right,

1764
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 1: Like he has this inability to have did anyone not

1765
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,680
Speaker 1: like me? Ah, the only reason why they don't like

1766
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: me is because I don't like them, right, That's how

1767
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: he's sort of rational. And so you know, I was

1768
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 1: in mar Lago interviewing him for the second time, and

1769
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 1: this is after January sixth, a couple of months after

1770
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 1: he left office, and you know, he walks into the

1771
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 1: room and you know, mar a Lago is actually very beautiful,

1772
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:58,600
Speaker 1: and the rumor grim was also very beautiful, beautiful chandelier

1773
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,640
Speaker 1: and anyway, the last thing that was beautiful in the

1774
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 1: room was the flooring. Okay, So he walks in and

1775
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 1: I go, how long, mister President's so nice to see

1776
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: you again. And he totally ignores me, and he just says,

1777
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: look at this flaw. Isn't this the most beautiful flaw

1778
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 1: you've ever seen? And I'm just like, really like, I mean,

1779
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 1: it was the most nondescript floring. And so, you know,

1780
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 1: he comes in, he sits down and we start the

1781
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: small talk, and I said, yeah, it's the President of

1782
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:25,600
Speaker 1: the Last time I saw you, we were in the

1783
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 1: White House, and he says, oh, yes, of course, but

1784
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: this is much more beautiful than the White House. You know,

1785
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: Trump already cares about are these these these sort of

1786
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 1: immaterial things that are just so unimportant, and doesn't actually

1787
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 1: understand the gravity and and sort of what he was

1788
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 1: doing and what he was responsible of and what he's

1789
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:49,679
Speaker 1: doing now by maintaining this insane conspiracy and lie which

1790
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 1: is so dangerous, and we saw how dangerous it was

1791
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 1: and how it played out on January sixth. I mean,

1792
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:58,680
Speaker 1: he is just you know, really, I mean, honestly, I

1793
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 1: mean that there were times where I couldn't really grasp

1794
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 1: how this man was actually in charge of America for

1795
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 1: four years and it is pretty astonishing, frankly, and then

1796
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: obviously with the FBI. It is pretty it is pretty astonishing.

1797
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 1: Talk to me about what it felt like on the

1798
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 1: ground on January sixth. Did you have any inkling that

1799
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 1: this could turn violent, that it could turn, you know,

1800
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:29,879
Speaker 1: sort of catastrophic in the way that it ends up turning.

1801
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:34,640
Speaker 1: What was the energy like on that day? So I

1802
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 1: did that the night before, I'd said to Michael, our

1803
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 1: director of photography, that he's going to get you were

1804
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: in an elevator going up in the hotel the night

1805
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 1: before and I said, you know, he's going to get

1806
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 1: them all to march on the capital tomorrow. And as

1807
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 1: I said that, we sort of half laughed because just

1808
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 1: the idea of that is so extraordinary and horrific. That,

1809
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 1: after having witnessed not just sort of the rhetoric that

1810
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:00,600
Speaker 1: was coming out after the election, but even during the campaign,

1811
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 1: there was this sense of at the beginning, I was

1812
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:06,640
Speaker 1: trying to work out, is it just because I'm British

1813
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 1: and British elections are very different to American elections, and

1814
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 1: so this is sort of an accepted thing to happen

1815
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 1: in American election campaigns, or was this something that was

1816
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 1: beyond the line And it was quite clear that they

1817
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 1: would go well beyond the line that's acceptable. And so

1818
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 1: the rhetoric that was coming out during the campaign and

1819
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 1: obviously after the election itself, and then Trump's maintenance of

1820
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 1: this position that the election was stolen, Like, what does

1821
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: anyone expect it's going to happen when you tell seventy

1822
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:41,760
Speaker 1: five million people that they vote didn't count. And the

1823
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 1: person that's saying that isn't the candidate. He's the incumbent

1824
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 1: president of the United States. And so to me, it

1825
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 1: was like this was going to be bad and it

1826
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:54,759
Speaker 1: was going to be very dangerous. So on the day itself,

1827
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 1: we had a plan that when things did kick off,

1828
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 1: and I say when, because I was really pretty confident

1829
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 1: that it was going to happen. And the moment for

1830
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: me where it really crystallized was people in the crowd

1831
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 1: already saying, basing all the build up for trumpspoke, you know,

1832
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: Juliani's speech and that lunatic lawyer speaking and various others

1833
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,680
Speaker 1: that they were already talking about, Oh, there's enough of

1834
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 1: us here. These were people in the crowd saying, there's

1835
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: enough of us here to storm the Capitol. So there

1836
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 1: was already that fervor in the crowd. There was this

1837
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 1: feeling of like it was almost like religious people praying

1838
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 1: that actually Trump's ridiculous idea that he could intervene in

1839
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 1: this ceremonial process certifying the results would result in him

1840
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 1: being able to maintain his position as president. And so

1841
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 1: there was this very uncomfortable feeling that I felt all

1842
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 1: the way through that morning. And then when people started

1843
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 1: moving to the Capitol, I grabbed a lot of Michael's

1844
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 1: equipment and took it to my car to try and

1845
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 1: drive closer to the Capitol so that if things got

1846
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:01,719
Speaker 1: really dangerous, like extra him and we could go away.

1847
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 1: But that part didn't work because it was impossible. By

1848
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 1: the time I got to as close as I could get,

1849
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 1: my car was surrounded by people. You know, Michael was

1850
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 1: already in the midst of it all, and you know

1851
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: in the series you see this tragic moment of one

1852
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 1: of Trump's and supporters dying on the steps of the

1853
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 1: Capitol building. And when you think about this, right, this

1854
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:27,640
Speaker 1: is American citizens being told to go to the Capitol,

1855
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 1: essentially being incited to, for all intents and purposes, assassinate

1856
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 1: the vice president of the United States. So by Americans

1857
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 1: in the American Parliament, right by American people being told

1858
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 1: to go there by the American President. I mean, it's

1859
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 1: just absolutely extraordinary and horrific. And you know, now with

1860
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 1: all the things that have come out from a January

1861
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: sixth committee, we know that Trump knew exactly what was

1862
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 1: going on and refused to intervene to try and save

1863
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, the congressman, that the people working in the capital, obviously,

1864
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 1: the Vice President himself, I mean, and then obviously people

1865
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 1: tried to be died. So it was just an extraordinary,

1866
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 1: horrific moment. And I'll never forget when we finally managed

1867
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 1: to get out, And remember driving down Pennsylvania Avenue and

1868
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 1: all the way through on the road you could see

1869
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 1: DC police all have with their hands on their gun holsters. Wow,

1870
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 1: which was just absolutely because it was it was a

1871
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 1: wild time. Yeah, we were both here and this I

1872
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,719
Speaker 1: remember coming in that morning. Actually it was a bad vibe.

1873
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 1: Our studio was right near the by the Washington Mall.

1874
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 1: I felt the same, close to the White House, very

1875
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 1: close to White There was his attention in the air.

1876
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:41,680
Speaker 1: It was very early in the morning. It was a

1877
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 1: very weird, strange, It was a very weird vibes. My

1878
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 1: my main question to you, Alex is, you know, based

1879
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 1: on the subpoenas and more to the extent that these

1880
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 1: Georgia investigations are probably going to be looking at these

1881
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 1: false elector schemes, what did you clean from your documentary,

1882
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 1: from footage and more that is going to be relevant

1883
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 1: as those investigations come forward in terms of machinations by

1884
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 1: the people around Trump, the false elector schemes. And also

1885
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 1: my real question is to the extent of what did

1886
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:09,599
Speaker 1: these people believe at the time. I have no question

1887
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 1: in my mind Trump believes the election of Storm, but

1888
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:13,800
Speaker 1: like some of the apparatricks around him, like what was

1889
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 1: their varying thinking as they were moving forward with these

1890
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 1: schemes then? So I think there were there were a

1891
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 1: few camps that I noticed, right. One is that Trump certainly,

1892
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 1: towards the end of his administration surround himself by people

1893
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 1: who just said yes to everything he said, and he

1894
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 1: always had the people around him. I mean, one of

1895
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:32,880
Speaker 1: the things that I was found was just totally, you know,

1896
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 1: sort of crazy, was really one of his closest aids

1897
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:40,719
Speaker 1: who is given the title of director of Social Media

1898
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 1: or whatever, but really one of the essentially is right

1899
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,719
Speaker 1: a man for all intensive purposes was his former golf

1900
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,800
Speaker 1: can and you know, like, these are the people that

1901
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 1: are surrounding him. These are the people with access to

1902
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 1: these secret documents that he he'd kept in mar Lago.

1903
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: And so you had that camp, which were essentially people

1904
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: that were like, yes, sir, three bags falser, and they'll

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Speaker 1: do whatever they can to make their boss happy, and

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Speaker 1: they believed everything he said. Then you had another camra

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Speaker 1: for people who really hoped that Trump would put off

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Speaker 1: his attempted coup essentially, but were I'm sure, and weren't

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Speaker 1: particularly believing in the madness. And then there were others

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Speaker 1: who sort of saw it as typical Trump, but they

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Speaker 1: didn't really think it was going to work out. And

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Speaker 1: then maybe there was a very few number of people

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Speaker 1: who thought it was a really bad idea and thought

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Speaker 1: he should do something else. And those are the people

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Speaker 1: and the interactions I had and some of those people

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Speaker 1: around him during the making of this. But with respect

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Speaker 1: to Georgia and Trump, I mean what I saw was

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Speaker 1: when I interviewed him in the White House. This is

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Speaker 1: about four days after his own Attorney general had spoken

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Speaker 1: to associated press and made the statement that there was

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Speaker 1: no evidence whatsoever to support his claims. He is literally

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Speaker 1: sitting in the diplomatic reception room at the White House

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Speaker 1: with the portrait of George Washington, which the one dollar

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Speaker 1: bill is based off, looking down at him, and he

1925
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Speaker 1: is undermining democracy in that room. But not just saying

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden didn't win the election. He is saying sort

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Speaker 1: of the very conspiratorial ideas that he'd been saying for

1928
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Speaker 1: all the way through, but then coming up with remedies

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Speaker 1: as to how they should be proven. So, for instance,

1930
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Speaker 1: he said, we need to find brave judges. So he's

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Speaker 1: now undermining the official branch of the American system, which

1932
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Speaker 1: is one of the first things to do as a dictator, Right,

1933
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Speaker 1: you need to get the judges that agree with you.

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Speaker 1: So we need to find brave judges. He says to me,

1935
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Speaker 1: we need to move the decision about reopening the ballots

1936
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Speaker 1: to the Georgia legislature. Why because they agree with his position. Right,

1937
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Speaker 1: he needs to find a better Secretary of State in

1938
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Speaker 1: Georgia who isn't as he calls, a bonehead, right, and

1939
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Speaker 1: a stupid person. So this is the president of the

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Speaker 1: United States, the man with the Nucletive football meets is

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Speaker 1: away and he's undermining democracy in the most profound way

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Speaker 1: in the seat of power of the biggest democracy or

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Speaker 1: one of the most powerful democracies. And well, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's absolutely extraordinary. Yeah, I mean, by witness, one of

1945
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Speaker 1: the most one of the most bananas things of the

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Speaker 1: many bananas things that came out during that time was

1947
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Speaker 1: that call that he had with the Georgia Secretary's date

1948
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Speaker 1: where he's literally like, I need you to find me

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Speaker 1: eleven and seventy votes. I mean, that was which you

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Speaker 1: have in the documentary. I'm sure that I'm sure that

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Speaker 1: Dan in Fulton County in Georgia, where they're investigating the

1952
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Speaker 1: fake elector scheme in that state, I'm sure these are

1953
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Speaker 1: some of the very things that they will be very

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Speaker 1: interested in hearing from you what Trump and the people

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Speaker 1: around him had to say. I really do recommend the

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Speaker 1: documentary to folks to go back and rewatch and remember

1957
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Speaker 1: how all of this went down. There were a lot

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Speaker 1: of big events that I just you know, I was

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Speaker 1: telling I forgot how close it was to election day

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Speaker 1: that he got COVID. You dig into some of the

1961
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Speaker 1: family dynamics of you know the kids, especially Don Junior

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Speaker 1: and Vanka and Eric sort of competing for his affection

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Speaker 1: and how that plays out in some of the dynamics

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Speaker 1: with regards to stop this deal conspiracy. So I really

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Speaker 1: recommend it to people. It's definitely a worthwhile watch. Tell

1966
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Speaker 1: folks Alex where they can actually find unpressed ten in

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Speaker 1: the documentary. Sure, it's on Discovery Plus and if you

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Speaker 1: sign up to get a one week pre trial, so well,

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Speaker 1: there you go. All right, it's a second Discovery Plus

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Speaker 1: documentarian we've had on the show, so I guess we're

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Speaker 1: happy to support it. We'll have a link down in

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Speaker 1: the description, and we appreciate you joining us, Alex. It

1973
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Speaker 1: was really interesting talking to you. Yeah, great to have you, Alex.

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Speaker 1: As a reminder, Premium subscribers out there vote on whether

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Speaker 1: you would in order to make sure you get the

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Speaker 1: show on time. We can either degrade the quality, not significantly,

1977
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Speaker 1: but it would degrade it as to well you're used to.

1978
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Speaker 1: Or we can send the show out on Vimeo, but

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Speaker 1: it will no longer be on YouTube. I know some

1980
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Speaker 1: people enjoy the comments and all that. We will leave

1981
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Speaker 1: it up to democracy, you guys, there will be no

1982
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Speaker 1: rigged election. Yeah, that's right, it's forty eight hours winner

1983
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Speaker 1: take all, whoever wins the majority. That will be what

1984
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Speaker 1: we do going forward to democracy. Let us know, like

1985
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Speaker 1: we said, newsletter vote, it's a Google form that you

1986
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Speaker 1: can go in link everybody else if you want to

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Speaker 1: be a premium describer. You see, we take great care

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Speaker 1: to make sure because this has happened now two or

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Speaker 1: three times, and I'm like, this is just not acceptable.

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Speaker 1: We can't have people waiting a long time. I know

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Speaker 1: so many people build their lives around Well, is totally

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Speaker 1: promise of you know, the premium subscriptions that you can

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Speaker 1: get it first, you get it before everybody else before

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Speaker 1: the clips post it at noon for general audience. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: let us know how we can best make that right.

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Speaker 1: We are sort of subject to the whims of these technicos. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have only so much that we can do, but

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Speaker 1: these are at least the best options. Right. We have

1999
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Speaker 1: no control over YouTube processing, but you know, we will

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Speaker 1: spend whatever we need to spend on whatever platform or

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Speaker 1: whatever in order to make sure that we fulfill that promise.

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Speaker 1: And if you do want to join us, we would

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Speaker 1: deeply appreciate it. Also, we got the live show tickets

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Speaker 1: which are on sale any other administrative I think we're good.

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Speaker 1: Think that's it. Sell tomorrow,