1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: Cowboys, This is mick Shots, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com. 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 3: And the official Dallas Cowboys apt. 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 4: Now Here are Bill Jones, Hecma Harrison, Everson Wolves, and 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 4: Mickey Spagnola. 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 5: And welcome to a Tuesday edition of mix Shots back 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 5: in the SWBC podcast studio at the Star in Frisco. 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 5: You got Bill Jones and you got give him heck 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 5: Ma Harrison making his Mixed Shots debut. 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 6: Hello, heck Ma Hey, what's going on? Bill? 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 5: Hey? 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: And uh? 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 5: And in Oxnard, California're lucky there there is Mickey Spagnola 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 5: at the corner of Ventura and Vineyard. Yes, for day 16 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 5: number seventeen of Cowboys training Camp. Mickey, it looks like 17 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 5: there is no marine layer because the sun is shining 18 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 5: on your forehead. 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: Yes. 20 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's another gorgeous beautiful day in Oxnard, California, and 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 4: it's already warmed up, so it's going to be a 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 4: really nice day this early in the morning. If the 23 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 4: sun is already shining brightly. 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 5: And Hekma, you know that this is a special day 25 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 5: in Oxnard it is the day we have circled on 26 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 5: the calendar ever since it was announced that Sean mcvay's 27 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 5: Los Angeles Rams are headed to Oxnard. And this is 28 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 5: the one joint practice of this training camp. 29 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 6: No, I love it. 30 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 7: I look forward to it because in years past you 31 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 7: always got the fights, and they. 32 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 6: Have been some of those sideline clearing brawls. 33 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 5: I mean, that's all I had forgotten. And I wasn't 34 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 5: there when they had the one ten years ago when 35 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 5: Jeff Fisher was a head coach, But I saw someone 36 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 5: posted the video of it this morning, and I had 37 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 5: forgotten that. 38 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 6: It was like, here's a. 39 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 5: Brawl breaking out over here and fisticuffs over there. Then 40 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 5: we wind up against the fence where the fans were. 41 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 7: It gets contentious, and you know, I love the way 42 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 7: that coach Schottenheimer has kind of put his foot down 43 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 7: with the team as far as the fighting is concerned. 44 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 6: Good luck today. 45 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 5: Though that's right now you don't have Jeff Fisher on 46 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 5: the other side. But Mickey, Mickey, give us the give 47 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 5: us the layout of what's going on, because there is 48 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 5: no Brian Schottenheimer press conference at one o'clock Dallas time 49 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 5: like there has been he's going to do it after 50 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 5: practice today. So what's the schedule. When do the Rams 51 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 5: arrive at Oxnard? 52 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 4: Well, I would imagine, so if the practice starts at 53 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 4: two o'clock out here, you know they'll get in here 54 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 4: between one and two. I noticed in the parking lot 55 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 4: they already have coined coned off some parking spots for 56 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 4: the RAMS executives. So that's a start, and then we'll 57 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 4: see just how soon the guys get on the field 58 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 4: if that two hour window includes the stretch and all 59 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 4: the other stuff that goes on before practice. But remember 60 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 4: both teams still are under the two hour jurisdiction of 61 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 4: the CBA, so there's no extra time. 62 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 3: I am assuming. 63 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 4: Also, since the NFL officials were here yesterday for the 64 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 4: practice and we had the little meet and greet and 65 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 4: the video that the players get during training camp on 66 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 4: the new rules, that they're going to remain here today. 67 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 4: So maybe that will encourage some self decorum during practice 68 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 4: and not allow this thing to get out of hand 69 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 4: and get to chippy. What they need to do is 70 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 4: when they have these NFL officials here for the scrimmages, 71 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 4: they need to allow if things get carried away that 72 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 4: guys get fined for fighting or they get thrown out 73 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 4: of the scrimmage, and that'll slow things down. Now, Bill, 74 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 4: if you saw the video of what happened, and it 75 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 4: was ten years ago, I said, I guessed earlier today 76 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 4: it was like seven or eight, so I was a 77 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 4: little short there. But the funny thing that took place, 78 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 4: And remember, you got the offense, like the Cowboys offense 79 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 4: against the Rams defense on the field closest to the houses, 80 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 4: and then the opposite on the field closest to the bleachers. 81 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 4: And during the practice the field, the fight broke out 82 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 4: between the Cowboy defense and the Rams offense. So the 83 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 4: Cowboys offense was on the firefield and they were practicing 84 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 4: goal line. And I don't know if you were here 85 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 4: or you remember this, but the Cowboys were at the 86 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 4: line of scrimmage from like the one yard line, and 87 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 4: the Rams defense was, you know, in the end zone whatever, 88 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 4: and Romo was about ready to bark his signals when 89 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 4: the fight broke out, and ten of the eleven Rams 90 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 4: defenders ran over to where the fight was. The Cowboys 91 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 4: stayed in formation, and I think it was their veteran 92 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 4: linebacker at that time, gosh I can't remember the guy's name. 93 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 4: He stayed on the field and Romo called the signals, 94 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 4: ran a quarterback sneak into the end zone and spiked 95 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 4: the ball while everybody was fighting on the other field. 96 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 5: I don't think i've heard it was hilarious. I don't 97 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 5: think i've heard that story before. Where the Rams defense 98 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 5: came from the other field. It was like it's like 99 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 5: in baseball where the bullpen it comes out when there's 100 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 5: a fight in a baseball game. They've ran all the 101 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 5: way over to the other field to join in. 102 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 3: It was like the charge of the light. 103 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 4: It was like the charge of the light brigade, right, 104 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: and it was hilarious. So a bunch of us that 105 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 4: were on that field covering what was going on, we 106 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 4: started running over there, uh to see right, and somebody 107 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 4: in Cowboy security had their hands up, Get back, get back, 108 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 4: and it's like, do you think I'm foolish enough to 109 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 4: get too close to have a helmet hit me in 110 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 4: the head. That was even further funny of what was 111 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 4: taking place. And then the fight broke out along the 112 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 4: fence and the fans started throwing punches at the players. 113 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, I love Cowboy fans. 114 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 4: Hey Mick, I had a question and it wasn't all 115 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 4: Cowboy fans either, THEO Yeah, of course. 116 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 5: It was the Saint Louis Rams back then, right. 117 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 7: No, that's ye back in there. Yeah, yeah, Mickey. My 118 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 7: question that I had for you was in Coach Schottenheimer's 119 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 7: interview yesterday. He talked about it being more of a 120 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 7: team atmosphere versus seven on seven and one v one. 121 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 7: What was your opinion of that when you when you 122 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 7: heard him talk about, you know, look at being more 123 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 7: of a scrimmage atmosphere. 124 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: Well, they they. 125 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 4: I think, you know, he's about eliminated nine on seven 126 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 4: and seven on seven from practices here. Okay, And as 127 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 4: he points out, when you play a game, it's eleven 128 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: on eleven, so we're practicing eleven on eleven. But they 129 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 4: did have a seven on seven session, I think the 130 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 4: last two of the last three days, and I think 131 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 4: that was in preparation. If Sean McVeigh wanted to do 132 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 4: seven on seven, they would have a seven on seven period, 133 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 4: which is the most unfair drill for the defense that 134 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 4: has to cover one on one the entire football field 135 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 4: and the quarterback has the time of day to throw 136 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 4: the ball right so it's not like playing flag football 137 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 4: when it's seven on seven or you know what they 138 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 4: do in high school. It's the most unfair drill you've 139 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 4: ever seen. So we'll see if they end up doing that, 140 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 4: but I would imagine it's going to be a lot 141 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 4: of team one other thing, since you know, we're here 142 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 4: early in the morning and I heard this had been 143 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 4: going on, but Micah Parsons was actually doing his conditioning 144 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 4: on the field with the Cowboys strength and conditioning members 145 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 4: of the strength and condition I think Kendall Smith was 146 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 4: out there kind of monitoring what he was doing. So 147 00:08:54,679 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 4: if nothing else, maybe he'll get himself in somewhat condition 148 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 4: that when this thing comes to a head an end, 149 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 4: that'll be a little get. 150 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 3: Closer to playing football. 151 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 4: But again, if you think about it, he hasn't been 152 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 4: in pads since January fifth, I think that was the 153 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 4: date of the last game, so there's no way if 154 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 4: he signs like the week of the season opener, that 155 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 4: he's going to play in that first game. I think 156 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 4: the trainers would really push back against doing that and 157 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 4: getting the chance of him suffering some sort of soft 158 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 4: tissue injury without any actual practice has taken place. 159 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 3: Beforehand. 160 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 5: All right, as we get started here and by the 161 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 5: way throughout the season and on our next gathering on Thursday, 162 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 5: I assume Everson Wallas will be joining less. Okay, but 163 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 5: as we kick things off here with our new team here, 164 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 5: let's welcome in our new teammate Mickey and Hecma. Harrison 165 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 5: and Heckma give us and just your thoughts. What you've 166 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 5: been observing in the last couple of weeks training camp 167 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 5: and what strikes you, what you what you're from out there? 168 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 7: You know what, Bill number one, The music is loud. 169 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 7: That's one thing that I've observed from practice that the 170 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 7: music is booming at all times. I love the tempo. 171 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 7: I love the tempo that Coach Schattenhamers has implemented some 172 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 7: of the young guys getting opportunities some of you know. 173 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 7: I came in immediately wanting to see the left tackle battles, 174 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 7: the defensive line battles, and I love to hear him 175 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 7: talk about the competition aspect of it. And so you know, 176 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 7: for me, George Pickens and the way that he's picked 177 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 7: up this offense right away is just been like the 178 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 7: if I could say, like stars all around for him 179 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 7: and the way that he's adapted to the new team. 180 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 7: But also, you know, I just feel as though guys 181 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 7: like Mars lea Foul and you wanted to see him 182 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 7: make that jump, to see that speed component still be 183 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 7: there for him in his linebacker. I know, you bring 184 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 7: in sanm Born, you bring in Murray, you bring guys 185 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 7: like that that you're excited about. This been onfuse Eberflus's staff, 186 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 7: But man, you got a young linebacker and Leah Foul 187 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 7: that I really enjoy seeing him in the way that 188 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 7: he is maturing. You know, look, all right, guard is 189 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 7: really when it comes down to today's practice, I want 190 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 7: to see him personally. I want to make sure that 191 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 7: he is going to be gained ready and all the 192 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 7: reps that he's gotten so far. So look, it's a 193 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 7: lot of things to be exciting excited about, Bill, but 194 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 7: I'm tempering that by today's practice and what I'm going 195 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 7: to see on Saturday in the preseason. 196 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 5: YEP, I agree with you, And you know, Mickey Merris, 197 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 5: Leafoul is a guy that on several occasions, unsolicited or 198 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 5: or when Brian Schottenneimer is asked, who are guys that 199 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 5: stand out? And Leah Foul is one of the guys 200 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 5: that usually is at the top of his list. 201 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and some of the other linebackers got more of 202 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 4: an opportunity last week when Kenneth Murray was I guess 203 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 4: it was I think he missed about a week here. 204 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: He went back for the birth of his child. 205 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 4: That's important, and so Leon file Leophile got increased snaps, 206 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 4: and so did Damon Clark. 207 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 3: And Damon's kind of been. 208 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 4: A you know, kind of a everybody's forgotten about him 209 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 4: because he barely played last year after starting the year 210 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 4: before and leading the team in tackles by the way. Uh. 211 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 4: So he got increased snaps with Murray Uh missing, So 212 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 4: that was good to see him kind of getting back 213 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 4: to what we saw from him previously. And for me, 214 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 4: the guy I'm excited to see uh not only in 215 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 4: the scrimmage, but for and I'm sure it's going to 216 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 4: be uh in the in the preseason game. As Jack 217 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 4: Sanborn kind of an undersized guy playing middle linebacker. I 218 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 4: think that Uh, Schottenheimer kind of compared him, or he's 219 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 4: hoping he can compare him to Sean Lee. Maybe not 220 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 4: the biggest middle linebacker or the fastest middle linebacker, but 221 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 4: hopefully the smartest middle linebacker, that he diagnoses things as 222 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 4: quickly as Lee did, and that he can hold down 223 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 4: that position. Somewhat undersized, but you know, if you think 224 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 4: about it, Eric Kendricks last year was undersized and he 225 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 4: did just fine. But I want to see him, especially 226 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 4: Saturday when they've got a tackle. You know, here, they're 227 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 4: still thumping up, and I'm sure that's what they want 228 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 4: them to do here. And the thumping up rule I 229 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 4: think applied to everybody but Malie Hooker because something got 230 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 4: in his mind. I talked to him about it yesterday 231 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 4: and he laughed. I said, who told you this was 232 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 4: tackle football? Because the other day he was hitting guys 233 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 4: left and right and putting him on the ground right. 234 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 4: He said, well, sometimes you just run into something, you know. 235 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: I didn't mean it. 236 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 4: But he's had he's had a really good training camp 237 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 4: so far. 238 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 3: And I forgot about this. 239 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 4: So he knows Iberflus's system because they were together four 240 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 4: years with the Colts, so he had a head start 241 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 4: on understanding what Eberflus is asking for in his system. 242 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 4: And he was the one guy, along with probably Sanborn, 243 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 4: that understand the inner workings of Eberflus's system. 244 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 5: Detroit. Hooker was a first round draft pick fifteenth over 245 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 5: all of the Colts in twenty seventeen, which was the 246 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 5: year before Iberflus went there as the defensive coordinator. All right, 247 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 5: we're just getting started here. And by the way, on 248 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 5: Jack Sanborne, one other note on him, Mickey, you'll recall 249 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 5: what Matt eberflu said about him. One of the biggest 250 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 5: things that has happened with Sam Born, he feels like, 251 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 5: is how his body has changed in the work that 252 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 5: he's done, making himself more athletic and so and and 253 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 5: he's been running with the ones as a middle linebacker 254 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 5: basically throughout camp from day one. And when the when 255 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 5: Murray was there the first week of camp, it was 256 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 5: Samborne and Murray lining up side by side. By the way, 257 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 5: real quick before we go to a break, Mickey was 258 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 5: was Murray uh practicing yesterday? Because on Sunday or whenever 259 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 5: he went over day or Saturday, when he came back, 260 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 5: he was off to the side. It was back to 261 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 5: a ramp up period for him. He had missed so 262 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 5: much time. 263 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 4: He was back in team eleven on eleven yesterday. Okay, 264 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 4: didn't it looked like he missed anything either. 265 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 5: By way, he's a he's a physical freak. That's right. Okay, 266 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 5: we continue with more mix shots. 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This year's edition features scouting reports, 307 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 5: position analysis, a pullout schedule poster, and articles from your 308 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 5: favorite Cowboys writers like Mickey Spagnola, get your training Camp 309 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 5: preview today at your local pro shop or dallascowboys dot 310 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 5: com slash star Mickey. I could just see his chest 311 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 5: cut kind of bowed out when I said, like, Mickey Spagnola. 312 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 6: Is that in the is that. 313 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 5: That was an ad lib? Okay, that's one of the requirements. 314 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 5: That's one of the requirements of being on Mixed Shots. 315 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 5: At times you have to build up Mickey's ego. 316 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 7: Oh well, the show's named after that, all right, sure, exactly, 317 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 7: of course, I got you. 318 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 5: That's right, all right? 319 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: You know what, just to don't you forget. 320 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 5: It just occurred to me in the break and talking 321 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 5: with Hekma here that the Micah trade request came after 322 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,719 Speaker 5: we were last had an episode of Mixed Shots. We 323 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 5: were on at eleven o'clock Dallas time, nine o'clock California 324 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 5: time on Friday, and heckma, it was going to be 325 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 5: a great leisurely day for me. It was, really it 326 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 5: was because there was no practice on Friday. In fact, 327 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 5: I was dressed as I am and I just had 328 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 5: jim shorts on and a T shirt. My CBS eleven 329 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 5: responsibilities weren't until later in the day okay, and they 330 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 5: were making a couple of players available, George Pickens and 331 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 5: kyer Elam, So we were going to shoot that in 332 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 5: the morning and then we go back to the hotel, 333 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 5: find a spot at the harbor to do our live 334 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 5: shot from whatever, and right and right in the middle 335 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 5: of the kyer Elam press conference, Micah Parson excited to 336 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 5: hit send oh Man and it turned into the busiest 337 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 5: day for us at camp. What was your reaction, hekma 338 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 5: after seeing that and need fallout from it in the 339 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 5: last four days since. 340 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 7: Bill Unfortunately, I am used to the posturing at this 341 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 7: point when it comes down to Cowboys stars wanting new contracts, 342 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 7: but I didn't expect that. Obviously, I didn't expect them 343 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 7: to request the trade. But again it's one of those 344 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 7: things that for me, I just felt like this. You know, 345 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 7: obviously you can you can submit whatever you want. The 346 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 7: organization is not going to act on that, and I 347 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 7: think you get to the point, as somewhat a reserver 348 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 7: of the of the game that you get a little 349 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 7: tired of it always being this time of year where 350 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 7: you are fighting with superstars on their contracts, and to 351 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 7: even hear Mickey insinuate that maybe there's a situation where 352 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 7: Micah wouldn't play on September the fourth. I mean, my 353 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 7: stomach turned. You didn't hear it, but it happened, right, 354 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 7: because that's the last thing that I want to hear, 355 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 7: his last thing I want to be a part of, 356 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 7: because you know how badly you need your superstar player. 357 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 7: And I think that you know, in Micah's defense, if 358 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 7: it's true, he's been talking about that he wanted to 359 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 7: do this early, he didn't want to miss any time. 360 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 6: He wanted to get this done early. 361 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 7: And I really just think and ask myself, like, if 362 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 7: you had gotten the deal done early, would that have 363 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 7: been beneficial to him? Would you still be in a 364 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 7: situation today where you feel like, hey, you got one 365 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 7: of the best star linebackers in the NFL that's being 366 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 7: drastically overpaid. 367 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I just can't see it getting to that 368 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 5: point where he's not going to be lining up on 369 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 5: September fourth against Philadelphia. Mickey, we haven't had a chance 370 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 5: to hear your observations of what happened then on Friday, 371 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 5: and then Jerry's sixteen plus minute meeting with the media 372 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 5: after practice on Saturday, what's your take on it all? 373 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 4: When I first heard it, stay my bit eating heart. Seriously, 374 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 4: we went to the book of agent negotiations, and when 375 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 4: you hit a stalemate and you got no leverage whatsoever, 376 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 4: and your guys under contract, you say I'm demanding a trade. 377 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 4: And I'm sure Micah didn't write that dissertation, right. That 378 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 4: came right from the agent. I guarantee you, and he 379 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 4: just signed, and he just signed off on it. You know, 380 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 4: it's the perfunctory I demand a trade. I don't want 381 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 4: to be here anymore. They're disrespecting me. And then he's 382 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 4: at practice the next day, and he's at practice on 383 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 4: Sunday and he's on practice. There was no practice Sunday. 384 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 4: He's at practice on Monday, and this morning he's out 385 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 4: there working with the with the strength and conditioning coaches, 386 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 4: trying to get his conditioning in. That doesn't sound like 387 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 4: a guy that doesn't want to be here, right. So 388 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 4: the whole thing it's a hoax. And as you saw 389 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 4: from Jerry, he could give a flip if he demanded 390 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,239 Speaker 4: a trade. Jerry's got the final say on everything, and 391 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 4: if he wanted to get it done early, he could 392 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 4: have signed. They wanted more, or they wanted fewer years, 393 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 4: or they wanted more guarantee or more signing bonus. 394 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 3: So there's a lot to. 395 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 4: It than just saying, oh, pay him, because we don't 396 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 4: know what he's asking for, right And as Jerry said, 397 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 4: I made him an offer and it was more than 398 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 4: you guys would think. 399 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 3: And so again there's two sides to this thing. 400 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 10: And so. 401 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 4: He could have done exactly what Jake Ferguson did. Jake 402 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 4: Ferguson signed a year early so he could put twelve 403 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 4: million dollars signing bonus in the bank the next day. 404 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 3: So if he wants. 405 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 4: Forty million dollars signing bonus, sign the thing. But you're 406 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 4: getting a year before the contract and all the CBA 407 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 4: stuff says you deserve a new contract. 408 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 5: All right, So we are okay, this is Tuesday, August. 409 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 5: What is today the fifth Okay, we're just just under 410 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 5: a month away. In fact that the four weeks from 411 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 5: Thursday will be the season opener. Heckma, what do you think? 412 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 5: What kind of timeline are we looking at where a 413 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 5: deal needs to be done or something needs to be 414 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 5: resolved on this where Micah is back practicing, how much 415 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 5: lead time does he need, you think, as a pass 416 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 5: rusher to be ready to contribute against the Eagles and 417 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 5: the season opener. 418 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 7: Before I answer that, I just want to piggyback off 419 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 7: of what Mickey was saying, because in that sixteen minute 420 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 7: interview with Jerry Jones, I came away with that saying, 421 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 7: you know, billionaires aren't intimidated by millionaires. 422 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 6: He is not going to act as to that. 423 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 4: You know. 424 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 7: It's just like, yeah, I knew for sure that the 425 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 7: comeback from that from Jerry Jones was going to be 426 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 7: very swift. But also you know he's he's at the 427 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 7: age and my you get to the age where you 428 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 7: lose the ability to sugarcoat things. And it's just the 429 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 7: way that he addresses this is, look, don't lose any 430 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 7: sleep over. 431 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 6: This is basically to everyone involved. 432 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 5: When you start sugar scoten and you start talking about 433 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 5: mamas and daddies and so. 434 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 6: You get it right. 435 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 7: But honestly, the timeline for me would be in the 436 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 7: next two weeks. I feel like in the next two 437 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 7: weeks and that's where ideally. 438 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 5: Basically when they get back here. Yes, so, in fact, 439 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 5: the open practices on Tuesday the nineteenth, two weeks from today, 440 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 5: the nineteenth and the twentieth. That's when you're thinking something 441 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 5: needs to be solved by then and let's let's get 442 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 5: on with it. 443 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 7: Because if he's not out there physically, he's not taking 444 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 7: the bumps and bruises and not getting into actual football shape, 445 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 7: that's where you worry. And where he's talking about soft 446 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 7: tissue issues, that's where you get into that danger zone. 447 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 7: If you're trying to sign him the week of the 448 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 7: you know, the Philly. 449 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 5: Game, Micky, what do you think? 450 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 4: So I've been told he needs two weeks of work 451 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 4: before they put him on the field, So do the math. 452 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 4: And if he wants to play in the NFL season opener, 453 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 4: which I'm sure he is dying to get on national 454 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 4: TV on a Thursday night, then that week they start 455 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 4: practicing at the Star, this thing better be settled. Otherwise 456 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 4: he's gonna miss the first game. Because as you can think, okay, 457 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 4: you missed, say you missed the first game, you still 458 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 4: got to play sixteen more games, right, win or lose. 459 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 4: So yeah, to get him in football playing shape safely. 460 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 4: Now you can argue and say, well, what if he 461 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 4: just gets ten snaps and all he has to do 462 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 4: is rush to quarterback. Well, you still can get hurt 463 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 4: because you haven't played any football. You didn't do anything 464 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 4: in the offseason, no OTAs, no mini camp. While he 465 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 4: was there, he didn't do any football stuff. He did 466 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 4: some drills, hadn't done a thing out here. So yeah, 467 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 4: I think he needs a two week you know, leeway 468 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 4: to before they practice, you know, you guys. I compared 469 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,479 Speaker 4: it with Michael Irvin in nineteen ninety two. Michael Irvin 470 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 4: missed all the offseason, all of training camp. He signed 471 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 4: the Thursday before the Monday night season opener and he played, right, 472 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 4: That's different. That's different because he's a wide receiver. He's 473 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,479 Speaker 4: not taken on some three hundred and thirty pounds you know, 474 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 4: offensive lineman trying to get to the quarterback. Same thing 475 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 4: with the running backs, right, this last holdout for Zeke 476 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 4: when he signed the week of the opener, he got 477 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 4: third team carries. But it's a running back. It's not 478 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 4: trying to move by some big men and chances are 479 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 4: you get hurt. So I think he needs a two 480 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 4: two week ramp up before they put him on the field. 481 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 5: And see, I think that Jerry's thinking that too, you know, 482 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 5: as much as he's talked about the availability of players 483 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 5: is the most important thing when you sign players to this. 484 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 5: You know, the next two weeks, okay, there's more of 485 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,719 Speaker 5: a chance he could get hurt. So so his his 486 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 5: deadline on it. I'm thinking in his mind is Okay, 487 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 5: at what point of camp does he need to ramp 488 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 5: it up and get ready where he can go full 489 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 5: speed ahead and we're and we're mitigating the injury risk 490 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 5: in training camp at the same time. Yeah, that's where 491 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 5: I think it goes to that two week. 492 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 7: More completely agree and and what Mickey staid said was right. 493 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 7: I think position comes into this as well. I mean, 494 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 7: if you have a guy like Michael who's going to 495 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 7: be leaning on three hundred pounders and rely on you know, 496 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 7: pulling guards coming this way, you don't want that to 497 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 7: be his first action to be on September the fourth. 498 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 7: But you know, right now, the Cowboys are leading the 499 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 7: news cycle when it comes down to Micah's contract and 500 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 7: every other contract that's out there. 501 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 6: So I think. 502 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 7: Jerry got him right where he wants because it's fresh 503 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 7: on everybody's mind. 504 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 5: All Right, we continue with more mix shots. 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Heckma asked the pose the question. 559 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 5: Heck me, you post the question to Mickey what you 560 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 5: just did in the in the break there one of 561 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 5: the position battles you're most interested in? Take it away, Heckma, Well. 562 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 7: I think a lot of talk has been since George 563 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 7: Pickens has arrived. 564 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,959 Speaker 6: Who is going to be the third wide receiver? 565 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 7: You know, I obviously think that that's Ferguson, but I 566 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 7: think there are other names when it comes down to 567 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 7: that pecking order in the wide receiver room. And I 568 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 7: want to know the guy out in Oxnard who is 569 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 7: taking the charge to actually be the official third wide receiver. 570 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 4: What do you think Mickey, So I believe that at 571 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 4: this point it's going to be a rotation. And I 572 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 4: would think the top three guys right now are Cavante Turpin, 573 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 4: Jonathan Mingo, and Jalen Tolbert. I think that's kind of 574 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 4: the way they've been working things so far. And if 575 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 4: you guys, remember Schottenheimer in the offseason said that they 576 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 4: wanted to be able to incorporate Cavante Turpin as a 577 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 4: wide receiver, not just a gadget guy, not just a 578 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 4: guy that's going to line up and do jet sweeps. 579 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: They want to throw the ball down the field to him. 580 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 4: And when I say down the field, I see I 581 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 4: say more than swing passes, more than screens. He's running 582 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 4: routes out of the slot and catching balls ten fifteen 583 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 4: yards down the field on the run. 584 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 3: And here's the deal. 585 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 4: If you got him on the field with Ceed Lamb 586 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 4: and George Pickens, and oh, by the way, you get 587 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 4: Jaydon Blue at running back and him on the field 588 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 4: in the slot, somebody's got to be covered by a linebacker. 589 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 4: And there ain't no linebacker on this earth that's going 590 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 4: to run with any of those three guys or four guys, 591 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 4: for sure. 592 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 3: So that speed. 593 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 4: If the offensive line can block, it is going to 594 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 4: be pretty dynamic. So to me, what are you trying 595 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 4: to accomplish? You want to do something with your speed 596 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 4: and get Turpin in the slot. Fine, you want to 597 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 4: run Ceede Lamb out of the slot with a big 598 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,720 Speaker 4: receiver on the outside with Piggins, well then it's Mingo 599 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 4: or Tobert, and Tolbert had a good day yesterday. 600 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 3: He's kind of the forgotten guy. 601 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 4: I heard somebody say, well, they're gonna cut him or 602 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 4: they're gonna trade him. Just remember he led this team 603 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 4: in touchdown receptions last year and I know it wasn't 604 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 4: some big number because it was only I think seven. 605 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 4: But you get one injury of those top two guys, 606 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 4: you know who's your starter. So I think right now 607 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 4: it's a rotation on what they're trying to accomplish on 608 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 4: third and whatever it is, or whenever they go into 609 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 4: their nickel offense with three wide receivers. 610 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 7: And Bill, let me just add this, when it comes 611 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 7: down to what Jayalen Tobert has also been able to 612 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 7: do since he's been here is carve out a role 613 00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 7: on special teams as well, and I think that's what 614 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 7: gives him that value because of his diversity diversification in 615 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 7: his position. He can play you know, the slot, he 616 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 7: can play on the outside, but he also is a 617 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 7: special teams guy. So you know, that's one of the 618 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 7: reasons why I don't listen to the noise when it 619 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 7: comes down to whether he's going to make the team 620 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 7: or not. But when it comes down to Cavante Turpin, 621 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 7: he's five to seven, one hundred and fifty five pounds, okay, 622 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 7: And I just in years past is in the Texas 623 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 7: Coast offense, he was more of a gadget guy, and 624 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 7: looking at him and reality of him being that third 625 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 7: wide receiver, I think that's where the doubt comes in 626 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 7: because of the other guys that you have on. 627 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 6: In that wide receiver room. 628 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 7: So I just you know, look, I want to see 629 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,760 Speaker 7: what it looks like, you know, seeing him run those digs, 630 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 7: seeing him run those posts and goals if he does. 631 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 7: But you know, he's gonna have to be able to 632 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 7: run the route tree and not just be a gadget 633 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 7: guy because that absolutely makes it easier for defensive coordinator. 634 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 3: You know, the other thing when you well have but 635 00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 3: that's what's it. 636 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 4: Heckma, that's exactly what's happening out here. He's running the 637 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 4: route tree. He's catching passes ten fifteen, twenty yards down 638 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 4: the field over the middle on the run. And that's 639 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 4: why I said, Schottenheimer's intention is to make him a 640 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 4: wide receiver, not a gadget guy. And if you can 641 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 4: get his and you if you remember, and I know, 642 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 4: it was the USFL. He was the offensive player of 643 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 4: the year in that league. And it wasn't just on 644 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 4: his returns. He was one of the leading receivers in 645 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,720 Speaker 4: that league. So they got to get him the ball 646 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 4: in several different ways. And he's up, as he told me, 647 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 4: I'll play anything they want me to play. If it's 648 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 4: tight end, I'll line up at tight end at five seven, 649 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 4: one hundred and sixty pounds, okay. 650 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 6: You know. 651 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 5: And if for those of us who remember him at TCU, 652 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 5: he was a good receiver at TCUO. In fact, I 653 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 5: just looked up his numbers in twenty seventeen at TCU, 654 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 5: his first team All Big twelve as an all purpose player. 655 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 5: He finished the year with forty one catches for three 656 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 5: hundred and ninety four yards. So and that was all 657 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 5: as a slot receiver, whiteout type. Because they weren't using 658 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 5: him in the backfield. I do think one of the 659 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 5: interesting things that Brian Schottenneimer has mentioned is a comparison. 660 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 5: You know, he was being used a little bit in 661 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 5: the backfield as a running back type, and he mentioned 662 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 5: Darren Sprolls. And when you look at Schottenheimer was in 663 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 5: San Diego when Sprolls came into the league in two 664 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 5: thousand and five. Now he was just on that staff 665 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 5: that one year when Sprolls was there. He went to 666 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 5: the took the Jets job in six Shottenneimer did, but 667 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 5: he saw how he was being used in San Diego. Now, 668 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 5: the difference between Darren Sprolls and Cavante Turpin is huge 669 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 5: in terms of being a running back because Sprolls his 670 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 5: trade was a running back at Kansas State probably, I mean, 671 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 5: he could have won the Heisman at Kansas State, came 672 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 5: very close. In fact, if yes, Bill Snyder, he should 673 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 5: have won the Heisman as a running back there. But 674 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 5: when you look at I just looked up Sproll's numbers 675 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 5: as rushing attempts in his career at the Chargers and 676 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 5: the most number and other difference between Sprolls and Turpin 677 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 5: is Sprowl's one hundred and ninety pounds and Turpin is 678 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 5: his one hundred and fifty eight whatever he is, you know, 679 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 5: thirty pound difference in size there too, but about the 680 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 5: same height. The most number of rushing attempts that Darren 681 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 5: Sprolls had in his NFL career was ninety four. Okay, 682 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 5: extrapolate that over a I mean, just average it out 683 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 5: over a sixteen seventeen game season, sixteen game season in 684 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 5: his case, and you know, that's four catches a game 685 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 5: something like that. Five catches a game or five rushes 686 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 5: a game. So if Cavante Turpin is going to carry 687 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 5: the ball as a running back, how many carries is 688 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 5: he going to have this season? 689 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:08,919 Speaker 6: Oh? 690 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 4: God, well, I can't tell this last like an average, 691 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 4: And these last couple I bet he gets more than 692 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 4: that because they've lined him up as a true running back. 693 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 4: These last few practices. He's in a he's in a 694 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,879 Speaker 4: one back offense, and it's with the first team. They're 695 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 4: not messing around with second team and thirdeam reps at 696 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 4: running back. But he has gotten snaps as a true 697 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 4: running back. 698 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 5: But that doesn't mean he's going to get carries as 699 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 5: a running back every time he lines up as a 700 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 5: running back either. So, but that's a good way of 701 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 5: getting another receiver on the field and you can do 702 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 5: some creative things. And that's one of the things I 703 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 5: love about Schottenheimer as the play caller and probably one 704 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 5: of the reasons Dak and the brain trust here they 705 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 5: were big even before Schottenheimer became a serious candidate to 706 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 5: be the head coach of this team, they wanted to 707 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 5: bring him back as the play caller, and they like, 708 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 5: you know what he brings to the table. 709 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 6: Yea, I think he's a dynamic player. 710 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 4: I think well, let me add that they've handed him 711 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 4: the ball too. By the way, as a running back, 712 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 4: he's not there to fake people out. 713 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 7: It gets interesting, right We're at the part of the 714 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 7: season where we're still playing the guessing game with what 715 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 7: Schottenheimer's offense is going to look like. And you bring 716 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 7: in you get a running back like Jayden Blue get, 717 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 7: you get other guys that are that you bring in 718 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 7: through free agency. Maybe it's not ideal in my football 719 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 7: brain to even think about Cavante turpinas a running back 720 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 7: and you talk about the carriers that he may get 721 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 7: I'm fifteen, between fifteen and twenty, and it's all gonna 722 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 7: be situational that he does get those carries fourth and one. 723 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 6: I don't want to see Conte terping, and I know 724 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 6: I won't see that. 725 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 7: I'm being funny when I say that, but I'm just 726 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 7: saying it's just one of those guys that really is dynamic, 727 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 7: and you, oh, dynamic he was last season just on 728 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 7: special team. 729 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 5: I like the fact that they're figuring out ways to 730 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 5: get him the football and because he is a big 731 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 5: play thread every time he touches the ball. Makey some 732 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 5: final comments. 733 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 4: By the way, he caught a couple passes the other 734 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 4: day and he's on the run when he catches it, 735 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,399 Speaker 4: and I'm sitting there going he gone, they can't catch him. 736 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 4: He running by people, all right. And Jaden Blue, by 737 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 4: the way. With Miles Sanders out with a knee sore knee, uh, 738 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 4: Jayden Blues got some first team snaps at running back 739 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,280 Speaker 4: along with Javonte Williams. 740 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,280 Speaker 5: Okay, I want you to focus in mickey on Jared 741 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 5: Verse versus whoever lines up at left tackle, Nate Thomas 742 00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 5: or whoever it is, and that that that's what I 743 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 5: remember the most from last year when the Rams came 744 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,359 Speaker 5: to Oxnard was Jared Verse versus Tyler Gaiden. So let's see, ye. 745 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 3: So I want him, I want him miked up. 746 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 5: Okay, very good. See if you can arrange that, And 747 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 5: how about we do this again on Thursday. And how 748 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 5: about we go ahead and text Everson and see if 749 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 5: Everson might join us too. What do you think of that? 750 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 6: Heck man, I think we need to get that going 751 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 6: right now. 752 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 5: All right, no, very good, all right, Mickey, enjoy your 753 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 5: joint practice in Oxnard today, and heck we we appreciate it. 754 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 5: Paul Bautista, we appreciated here, and producer Supreme Chris Beam 755 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 5: in Oxnard. And the break is coming up next. I 756 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 5: think that's what's next on the schedule. Appreciate and we 757 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 5: will shout at you again on Thursday at eleven o'clock 758 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:53,760 Speaker 5: Dallas time. 759 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: It's been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and the 760 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 761 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 5: How much your shovel here? 762 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:12,320 Speaker 6: H