1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal. I'm that for me, I'm 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: be happy, you want to be happy for Dake Edith 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: state is that? 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: Whoo whoom? And now then and Tye, welcome back to 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: the solid verbal. Boys and girls. My name is ty Hildebrand. 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Joining me is always over there back in New York City, 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: my man Dan Ruberstein, Sir, how are you? 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 2: Is this one of the latest solid verbals we've ever 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 2: recorded outside of a post national championship situation? 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: Wow? It is nine to forty Eastern time on my 13 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: clock right now. It's certainly one of the later shows world. Man, 14 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: we don't usually stay up this late on. 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: A school night, so this will either go to a 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: punchy place or hopefully you're listening to this as you 17 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: go asleep and we just drift off with you to coast. 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: Figured i'd give you a little extra pause there. Yeah, 19 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: for sure. No, I like that. 20 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: I like the runway you gave me. No, it is 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 2: certainly one of the later shows we've done, and I'm 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: actually pretty happy about it because I was able to 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 2: fill my belly, so I can't I can't say I'm 24 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: hungry went to You've never been to this place? I 25 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: don't think Prince Street Pizza in Manhattan in New York, 26 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: I have not. It's the best square slice in New York. Nice, 27 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: it totally completely has went there with our pal Andy Staples. 28 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 2: He's in town for the SI NFL Draft Show. I'm 29 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: also participating in this live NFL Draft show. If you 30 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: happen to be listening to this Thursday, whatever tomorrow's date is, 31 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 2: what the twenty fifth, twenty fifth, Yeah, seven thirty eight o'clock, 32 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: tune on into SI now on the Twitter feed or 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: their YouTube channeled. I think it's gonna be in a 34 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: bunch of places. Facebook, you know how it works, So 35 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: all I'm social media. I'm going to be cooking food 36 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: with Andy Staples. And when people like Daniel Jones or 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: Drew Locke are drafted, and we'll the ones to say, well, 38 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: here's the thing about those two guys. 39 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, not like the greatest college and somebody, yeah, 40 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: can speak truth with the power, because the Giants are 41 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: totally drafting Daniel Jones and it's gonna bother. 42 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: Me, but it's oh, that's gonna be a rough pick. 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: If that happens, that's gonna happen. Everybody's listening to this 44 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: after the facts, Oh yeah, wow, what a what a pick? 45 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: It's gonna happen. Man, I can field in my bones. 46 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: I'm sorry that take exists within your brain. 47 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: I no, wow, I can't get rid of it. 48 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: We have a special show tonight, though. We have a 49 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: special show tonight. 50 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: So, as we said last week, we're not going to 51 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: do the thing where we invite a draftnick on the 52 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: program and say who's going to go third in the draft. 53 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: A lot of folks do that. There's nothing wrong with 54 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: doing that. We have done that for umpteen years running now. 55 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: But the problem with that is nobody really wants to 56 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: go on the record with where guys are going to 57 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: get drafted because they know the overwhelming majority of their 58 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: predictions will be rendered moot in the span of about 59 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: three hours. So this year we're gonna go at it 60 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: a little bit differently. We're going to try and peel 61 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: back the curtain after the fact, do a bit of 62 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: a draft retrospective with a special guest that we're excited about. 63 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: So well, we'll do that at some point. Yeah, over 64 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: the next couple weeks after the draft actually goes through 65 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: and is complete for tonight though. 66 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, there's a lot after that. Like, 67 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 2: I am very curious about you hear about Nick Saban 68 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 2: opening up, you know, rolling out the red carpet for 69 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: NFL scouts, because why wouldn't he You know, it looks 70 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: great when Alabama produces all these NFL players. I'm curious 71 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: the relationship and how scouts operate within the college football world. 72 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: I think that's fascinating. 73 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: Tonight, we're doing hot takes, Dan, We're doing hot takes 74 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: now for those who have listened to the program since 75 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight when we first got this whole 76 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: operation started. Neither you nor I are particularly hot Takesie. 77 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: This isn't like Wip and Philly, Okay. We're trying to 78 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: do a show that entertains from the college football perspective, 79 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: but at the same time offers real factual insight into 80 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: what's going on, sometimes better than others. 81 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: Also a fashion advice for husky gentlemen, don't forget that 82 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: that's a corner that is part of our show. Thanks 83 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: to Andy, tonight. 84 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna get a little bit more controversial than usual. 85 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: If you want to call it that, we're going to 86 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: kick it up or not kick it up a little bit. 87 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: A little bit here, I've got some other sounds that 88 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: we might play, depending on the spiciness of the take. 89 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: We did go out on Twitter at saliverbo where of 90 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: course you can always find us and follow us and 91 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: join the log and all the college football fun. We 92 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: did a little bit of crowdsource seem to see what 93 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: other hot takes may exist in the college football world. Yeah. 94 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: I don't even know if our takes are nearly well. 95 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: We had envisioned giving our twenty nineteen takes when we 96 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: were doing our haphazard planning of this show, and then 97 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: you opened it up to the verballers out there the 98 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: VERBALI sphere, sure, and I think theirs are better. I mean, 99 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 2: they went in back in time. It was like nineteen 100 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 2: ninety three Virginia was a fraud, and I was like, wait, huh, 101 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: hold on, Wikipedia, help me out here. But they they're 102 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: all over the place, and I almost think going through 103 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: the should we like devise a spice level for these 104 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: these takes or something like should there be mild, medium, 105 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 2: hot and then atomic or like Jay Paterno's take HD. 106 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,559 Speaker 1: When I go to the Thai restaurant down the road here, 107 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: before I order my pad tie with chicken. 108 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: Oh, what a creative order, I know. Oh my gosh, 109 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: look at this guy. It's okay, don't be straight out 110 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: at shang my here. 111 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: Whenever I go to the tie restaurant, they ask me 112 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 1: level of spice on a scale from one to five, 113 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: and so I guess we could we could approach it 114 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: like that. I usually go too. For those of you wondering, 115 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: I do have some other sounds here that we could 116 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: play as well, if we want to go through some 117 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: of the ones that we got from the internet as 118 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: well as some of the ones that we put together 119 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: on our own. I'll agree with you that they aren't 120 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: quite as good as some of the ones that I 121 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: saw coming through on the Twitter sphere. But at the 122 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: same time, I have some predictions, I guess some takes 123 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: for the twenty nineteen season that I'd be willing to 124 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: discuss as well. 125 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: All right, let's save that for the end. Let's just 126 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: go through here in a very random fashion and just 127 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: evaluate people's takes. Are you good? 128 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm ready? Okay, what do we got? 129 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: Tua is slightly overrated. 130 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: To a tongue of Iloa. 131 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, this comes to us from a a Georgia fan. 132 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: I know you're shocked to hear that. Sure, Actually, I 133 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: think Jake fromm is very good, but Tua is slightly overrated. 134 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: I don't know what the collective rating of him is. 135 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: I think he's excellent. 136 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: Tua last season, yeah, completed sixty nine percent of his 137 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: passes and finished with forty three touchdowns and six interceptions. 138 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend that he didn't play on 139 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: one of the best teams in college football. Of course 140 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: he did. He had a ton of support around him. 141 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: But on the heels of what he did in the 142 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: National championship game against Georgia, that game, you remember that game, 143 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: that second half game, I do on the heels of 144 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: him doing that to come out this past season was 145 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: a little nicked up down the stretch. It is really 146 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: really difficult for me to call that person overrated. Forty 147 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: three touchdowns to six interceptions is a hell of a year. 148 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: I don't care who you are. 149 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: Twenty fourteen TCU would have won the National championship had 150 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: they made the playoff. If you remember, this is the 151 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: fifty one to forty eight year with Baylor. 152 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: Right. 153 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: So the twenty fourteen TCU team, Trevon Boykin I believe 154 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: was their starting quarterback. 155 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yes, that's right. 156 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: Do they make and win? I don't think they're beating 157 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: Ohio State, Probably don't. I don't even think they're beating God, 158 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: are they beating sims Alabama? I don't think they are. 159 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,559 Speaker 1: I don't think so. That was a really good TCU team. Though. 160 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: It was a really good TCU team. They finished. This 161 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen TCU team finished with the I'm going by 162 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: S and P plus here, ninth overall S and P 163 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: seventeenth offense, thirteenth defense. I think that's good. That Alabama 164 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: team was still excellent. The Ohio State team was so strong, 165 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: and the best quarterback in the country was at Oregon 166 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: that year. The hes winning the heis winning QB and 167 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: Marcus Mariota. I just I don't see it. 168 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: Nah, Well, you mentioned TCU and that joke. 169 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: I think that's I think it's a one point five 170 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: out of five, one point five out of five. 171 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll give it the Emerald. This was a little much, 172 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,479 Speaker 1: A little bit ill would have been. You mentioned TCU 173 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: and I want to link that up with another take 174 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: that I saw coming through. We had a couple of 175 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: these referencing a per motion slash relegation system in college football. 176 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,239 Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? Now? Of course, it's hypothetical, 177 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: completely theoretical. Would drop a nuclear bomb on the existing 178 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: system of college football, would effectively end the sport as 179 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: we know it and spawn something new. How do you 180 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: feel about that. 181 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: Well, you'd have to change everything. You'd have to the 182 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: conferences wouldn't exist in the same way. TV deals wouldn't 183 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 2: be structured. I'm talking about this from like an actual 184 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: reality point of view. I'm totally fine with it. I 185 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 2: am totally fine with it from a competitive standpoint, because 186 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: each conference has two to three schools who, if they're 187 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: not dedicated to football, the people running those schools have 188 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: no clue as to how to build and sustain even 189 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: Bowl eligible ish programs, and so it's a waste of 190 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: everybody's time. And not that it doesn't happen in other sports. 191 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: The bottom of the NBA isn't all that good. The 192 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: bottom of baseball we have teams tanking. I guess in 193 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: baseball now that there are teams that are just inept 194 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: and it's a waste of everybody's time, especially when we 195 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: have now a good handful of G five schools who 196 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 2: would compete week in and week out. I'm not saying 197 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 2: win conferences, but would compete and be interesting and play. 198 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: You know, they had they run styles on offense and 199 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: defense that are interesting watches and would give us something 200 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 2: better than Kansas, Oregon State, Rutgers, the past couple of 201 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: years of North Carolina. It is just Louisville from last 202 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: year where you're just tuning in, You're like, oh cool, 203 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 2: it's forty seven to three at halftime. I just I 204 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,599 Speaker 2: want no part of that being a part of our ecosystem. 205 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: I want as many good games as possible. And that 206 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: is a way that if we were to completely upend everything, 207 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: that would be four. 208 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it solves three problems. So what we're 209 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: talking about when we talk about promotion and relegation, by 210 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, to give you the abridged description of 211 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: what this is, it's like English soccer where they've got 212 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: several divisions. The best teams are in the top division, 213 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: the Premier League. The bottom I guess would be League Two. 214 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: But a certain number of teams that finish a top 215 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: their respective divisions get promoted to the division above, whereas 216 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: the bottom three or bottom two I forget the exact 217 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: number get relegated down to the division below. So it 218 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: gives everyone some impetus to try and win their division. 219 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: It certainly makes things interesting come the end of the year, 220 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: I think, within a college football sense, And of course 221 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: this would never happen, but it would solve three problems. 222 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: If you're a team like a North Texas. We like 223 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: North Texas, they're on the right track, but North Texas 224 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: is in technically the same division if you will, as Alabama, 225 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: they will never get a shot at the same trophy 226 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: as Alabama. And effectively they are competing, of course for 227 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: a conference championship. But beyond on that really a consolation prize, 228 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: maybe to just get one sip from that chalice of 229 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: the new year six excuse me. It would give a 230 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: team like that a chance to play up, to build 231 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: themselves up, to get promoted to as high division as possible, 232 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: and maybe give someone like a Seth latrelle more impetus 233 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: to stick around to ride this thing out to see 234 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: if you get his team built up into a higher division. 235 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: It also partially would solve the issue of unbalanced schedules, 236 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: and I say unbalanced from the perspective of some teams 237 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: playing really difficult schedules, other teams playing more cream puffs. 238 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: If they're all playing each other with indivision, that sort 239 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: of solves at least one of the issues we have 240 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: within college football now. And then the final point here 241 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: very quickly, is it decouples promotion as we understand it 242 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: from conference realignment, which is when you mentioned TCU. That's 243 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: what jogged my memory. TCU effectively got promoted in the 244 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: current system due to being accepted by the Big Twelve. 245 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: They can now play for that highest trophy because they're 246 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve. I don't like the fact that 247 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: it's set up the way it's set up, and that 248 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: a team like a North Texas will never have a 249 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: shot at that trophy because they're not in a Power five. 250 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: So interesting topic. Certainly hypothetical, very theoretical, will never happen, 251 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: but I am a huge proponent and a fan of 252 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: that idea. 253 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: You get a one wayland Frank Nick Saban has won 254 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: his last national championship. 255 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: Wow wow. 256 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 2: So the evidence to that is one it's incredibly difficult 257 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 2: to win a national championship two Clemson and Georgia talent wise, 258 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: along with arguably Ohio State, although it's a different story 259 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: with a new coach, so it's hard to say that, 260 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: you know, everybody's on the same page. Everything is simpatico. 261 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: But Georgia and Clemson are arguably surpassing, if not on 262 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 2: that same level, and somehow have a little bit more 263 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: momentum and juice on the recruiting field, even if Alaba 264 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 2: is still pulling in ridiculous class. 265 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: Hold on one second, Yeah, Georgia is surpassing Alabama. 266 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 2: Talent wise, not results wise. Yes, what Georgia has done 267 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: these past couple of years, Yeah, I don't know if 268 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: they're at those classes. You gotta do it consistently, year 269 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: in and year out. For totally with you. I'm telling 270 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: you right now, there are people who smart, people not me, 271 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 2: not you, who are saying things. They're whispering tie, Georgia 272 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: is there, and if they're not there, they're right behind them, 273 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: slimmest of margins, with the possibility when you look at 274 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: certain position groups and how deep they've become at them, 275 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: that they're they're inching ahead. 276 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: All right, Well, they're they're on the right track, and we. 277 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: Has Nick Saban won his last national championship? Is that 278 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: a spy y take. 279 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: I don't think it's too spicy. It's not level five spicy. 280 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: It's at least a three and a half. Though. 281 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: He's been attrition proof this long, with his coaches leaving 282 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: year in a year out. But that doesn't last forever. 283 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: It doesn't last forever. The question is how much longer 284 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: is he going to coach. 285 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: I did see that he had a hip replacement and 286 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: he went back to work pretty much to the next day. 287 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean hip replacements. My mother in law had 288 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: one of those, and she bounced back real quick too. 289 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: I don't think it's all that uncommon to recover pretty quickly. 290 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: However, it really does speak to the work ethic of 291 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: Nick Saban. He clearly still enjoys the job. It's something 292 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: he enjoys doing. I don't think he's won his last 293 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: national championship. I think there is enough talent there to 294 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: sustain him for some period of time. After what we 295 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: saw last year with the Clemson loss, they're still clearly 296 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: going to have a shot at this thing. They're probably 297 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: going to be back in the playoff in twenty twenty. 298 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: So I am optimistic, especially with Tuatunga via Loa, that 299 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: they're going to be back in that game before long 300 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: and have another crack at it. 301 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: Here is my rebuttal the two thousand and nine Texas team, 302 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: and I think somebody actually had to take along these lines, 303 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: like if col McCoy doesn't get hurt, if yeah, this 304 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: is Robert Larkin, if col McCoy wasn't injured in the 305 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: Rose bult Texas, the stains of dynasty that mirrors Alabama 306 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: over the last decade. I don't know how that makes 307 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: care Gilbert better, but okay, is I think there's a 308 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: possibility that the manner in which Alabama lost was deflating 309 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: to the point where it's going to be tough to recover, 310 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: not to win eleven games this year, not even to 311 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: win the SEC. I think that's all a more than 312 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: reasonable bet. But I think there is going to be, 313 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: if it hasn't already happened, a turn point where they 314 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: were just unable to sustain momentum and just being drilled 315 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: in the National Championship Game in front of the world 316 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: to see qualifies as that. I'm not saying it is. 317 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 2: I'm saying it qualifies as potentially that because that was 318 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: a huge, huge night and potentially a huge shift in 319 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 2: the power structure of the sport. I'm kind of on 320 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 2: board with this. I don't think this is the hottest 321 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: take actually, because I think there's truth behind it. 322 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: I understand where people are coming from with that take. 323 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: But it's how many times before has the alb the 324 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: dynasty been dead. 325 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's dead. I'm saying this is not 326 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 2: as hot as it might intend on its surface. 327 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: Okay, let me give you one of my own that 328 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: this is a spicy one. And we've talked about it before. 329 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: I realize in light of the tweet, we may have 330 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: some new listeners to this program. Yeah, this is one 331 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: of those things that every time I bring it up, 332 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: you tell me I'm nuts. Every time I bring it up, 333 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: other people besides you also tell me I'm nuts. 334 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: Uh huh. 335 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: I have no problem with the old fumble out of 336 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: the end zone equaling a touchback rule. Why I have 337 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: zero problems with that? 338 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: I know. 339 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: My theory is this, not every rule in the game 340 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: of football is uniformly applied, especially when you're talking about 341 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: the end zone. If you intentionally ground the football normally, 342 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: it's a loss of down unless it's in the end zone, 343 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: then it's a safety. 344 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: Right. 345 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: If you hold normally, it's ten yards, except when it's 346 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,479 Speaker 1: in the end zone, it's safety. Correct to safety, you 347 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: can actually fumble the football, Dan, You can fumble the 348 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: football as long as you maintain possession long enough to 349 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: get the nose of the ball over the line, right, 350 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: then it's six points. Anywhere else in the field that's 351 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: a fumble, but down to the goal line six points. 352 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: When we get down to the end zone, the rules 353 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: are treated a little bit differently, but. 354 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 2: It just feels more like you understand why a penalty 355 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: understand zone is two points. I get there's something that 356 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: is that makes sense about that ruling that it's it's 357 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 2: arbitrary because you could have just as easily say, let's 358 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: move you back to the twenty, let's move you back 359 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: to the ten. Let's move you back five yards behind 360 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: where you fumbled it there. It's it's just an arbitrary 361 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: decision as to change possession. 362 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: The end zone. Daniel just means more okay, And to that, 363 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: I say, hold on to the ball if you want 364 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: to score. 365 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: I don't think you're wrong for holding this position, but 366 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 2: I think you have to sort of say, well, rules 367 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: little arbitrary. 368 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: Oh I get it, I get that, but I'm okay 369 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: with it. In its present state. 370 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety four Penn State would hang fifty a ninety 371 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 2: four Nebraska. They would have won the head to head. 372 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 2: Come holy, Now that's a deep cut, right, So is 373 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 2: that Carrie Collins cause John Carter. 374 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: That was a good team. 375 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 2: They beat Oregon in the Rose Bowl. 376 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: Yep, yep. They beat Achille Smith, Your boy. 377 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 2: Kyle Brady, Yeah, my boy, Achille Smith. You we got Carrie, got, 378 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: Bobby Ingram yeh, Joe Jura Vicious? 379 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: How about it? Man? 380 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: I think the depth of that Nebraska team was so scary, 381 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: and that that specific system. I know you're not a 382 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: triple option guy, Ty, but when that thing was rolling, whoo, 383 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: I'd take I would I would put it at Thebraska 384 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 2: minus five and a half and I would lay those points. 385 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: Tommy Frasier is one of the all time great college 386 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: football players. Yeah, tough sell for me. That's a spicy take. 387 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: I'd say, Okay, what else you got coming in? 388 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: We had one for that that was extreme. That's a 389 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 2: four out of five, because I don't think that's happening. 390 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 2: But whatever, what. 391 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: Did we get from our friend Joel Klatt? Dan? 392 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: Oh? Here we go up at the top one? The 393 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 2: game clock should not stop for first downs outside of 394 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: the last two minutes of each half. 395 00:20:59,000 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: Are you do you? 396 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: I go back and forth. Do you think college football 397 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 2: game should be quicker? I don't know. I like college football. 398 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: I'm okay with it the way it is the only 399 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: time where it's rough to me. And this is just 400 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 2: you know, happenstance. You get like old cal Wazoo. You 401 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: get a double air raid matchup kicking off at ten 402 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: thirty and you're asking me, this is Eastern time. You're 403 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 2: asking me to stay up until three am. 404 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tough ask. 405 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: That's a rough ask. But beyond that, with the clock stopping, 406 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 2: with everything, what is what. 407 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: Is the issue with games taking as long as they do. 408 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think people just want to move 409 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: on to the next game. They just want to see 410 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: they want to see the action more condensed. 411 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: Because we've been doing this for a while, I find 412 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: it very rarely that people come to us, either at 413 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: a live show or through email. However, and say, you know, 414 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: I'd really like college but more if the games were quicker. 415 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 2: Right. The rent is too damn high. The games are 416 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: too damn. 417 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: Long most of the time. And I'm not saying I'm 418 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: against games that move quicker, but I'm just saying the 419 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: argument for the quicker game has never really landed with 420 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: me most of the time. Like you said, people would 421 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: just want to move on to watch other college football games, right, 422 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: Usually Saturday is devoted to college football. 423 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: To be fair, Joel Clyde is the one who needs 424 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: to find time to pee during these long games, as 425 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 2: he is an analyst in the booth. And I don't 426 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 2: know how long commercial breaks are, but like if you 427 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: if you were given two minutes flat where not only 428 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: did you have to be back, you know, at your desk, 429 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 2: so to speak, but you had to be on the 430 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: air and talking and having high energy. Do you think 431 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: you could make that work two minutes going for probably 432 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 2: a sizeable pe. 433 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: You would think he's drinking water up there to keep Yeah, 434 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: of course that's a lot of pressure. 435 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 2: Do you think you would be able to immediately zip 436 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 2: and go and then on a dime turn like you're 437 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: talking about like your your what your twenty yard cone drill. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 438 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 2: I think that's where Joel's coming from. Secretly with this. 439 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: I could probably I could probably pull that off seventy 440 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: percent of the time. 441 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: Do you think there's a spit bucket? I want to 442 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 2: know this now because there's a lot of people who 443 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: say you shouldn't drink a lot of water before you 444 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: go to bed so you don't wake up in the 445 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: middle of the night, right, Do you think they're drinking 446 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: water up there? I mean, I guess you have a 447 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 2: longer commercial break between quarters, but you're not yourself if 448 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 2: you got ants in your pants, tie nor. I think 449 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 2: there's some truth behind that. Number two ineligible man downfield 450 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: should be a one yard barrier, not three yards. So 451 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 2: this is sort of an anti RPO stance, and I 452 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 2: get it. I get it, but I like RPOs. I mean, 453 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 2: you're just making an NFL rules at this point. Yeah, 454 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: the ACC and SEC should play nine conference games. 455 00:23:59,359 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: I like that. 456 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: Well, we get a lot of you know, by the 457 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: end of the season by November. There are a lot 458 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: of comparisons. Okay, does Alabama deserve to be number one? 459 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 2: Should be Ohio State, should it be USC? Should it 460 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: be Oklahoma whoever usc That was a joke, ty, I 461 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: just threw that one in there to see if people 462 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 2: were paying attention. It generally seems to even out a 463 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: lot of those top schools that we end up comparing 464 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 2: schedule pretty well out of conference. They're not, you know, 465 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 2: Baylor from twenty twelve or something. Alabama's scheduled magnificently well, 466 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: LSUS scheduled terrifically well. Georgia a great schedule these past 467 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: few years. For the most part, Clemson is scheduled up 468 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: with what Texas A and M and Georgia like. These 469 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 2: teams are scheduling pretty well, especially at the top, because 470 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: they know that by the end of the year, resumes 471 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: are going to be a conversation. So I haven't really 472 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: found myself thinking this, this sort of sucks that they're 473 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 2: only playing eight conference games because they can get away 474 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: with it because people show up to their games and 475 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: people watch their games on TV even when they're playing 476 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: the Citadel, even when they're playing Prairie View A and 477 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: M whatever, and so I guess it would be better, 478 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 2: but I don't really see the case for why they should. 479 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: If that makes any sense, Dan, You know what can 480 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: be really frustrating. 481 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 2: Oh so many things. I want you to be specific, 482 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 2: especially if you're in a hurry. 483 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: If you're running late, you find yourself stuck at a 484 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: railway crossing and you're waiting for a train. You ever 485 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: have that happen, was just there a few minutes ago, 486 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: And if the signals are going the train's not even 487 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,239 Speaker 1: there yet, you feel tempted to maybe try and make 488 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: it across the tracks mm HM. The National Highway Traffic 489 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: Safety Administration NITZA says, don't ever try that, Please don't. 490 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: Trains are going a lot faster than you think, and 491 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: they can't stop. Even if the engineer hits the brakes. 492 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: They can take a train I don't know, like over 493 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: a mile to stop. By that time, what used to 494 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: be your car is a hunk of junk, and what 495 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: used to be you You get the picture. The point is, 496 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: you can't ever know how quickly the train's going to arrive, 497 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: how long it's going to take the stop, even if 498 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: it sees you don't tempt disaster. 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Okay, 535 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 2: this has this brings something up in my brain. 536 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: Though. 537 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: If you were to rank Alabama diehard fansy one through 538 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: however many Alabama football fans there are in this world, 539 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 2: So say there are ten million Alabama fans. Okay, Number 540 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: one is the most diehard Alabama fan his or her life, 541 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: fully dedicated to Alabama football, calling into radio shows, on 542 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: every single message board, posters on their walls, their you know, clippings, 543 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: everywhere they live eat Alabama. 544 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: So we're talking our friend Adam Abdullah from ESPN Radio Chicago. 545 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody like that, okay, And so that that person 546 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 2: is number one and you rank them by their diehardiness 547 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 2: all the way through ten million? Okay, Okay, how far 548 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 2: down would you have to go to find somebody with 549 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,239 Speaker 2: an equal amount of passion for U MASS Football? So like, 550 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 2: is there somebody who is as passionate about U mass 551 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: Football as the eight millionth most passionate Alabama fan is 552 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: about Alabama? 553 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: Like? Who is the Harvey Updyke of UNE football? And 554 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: where would he rank on that? 555 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 2: How far down do you have to go. 556 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: On the Alabama side? 557 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, where you're just like somebody was just 558 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,959 Speaker 2: fricking pumped about the Mark Whipple era. They're like, this 559 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: is the guy. How far down would you have to go? 560 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 2: I maybe even percentage wise, but I'll put it out 561 00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: of ten million. 562 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: You would you probably have to go? I would say 563 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: at least sixty down in that totem pol. 564 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: So six million ish? Yeah, you think there is somebody 565 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: as passionate about U Mass Football as the six millionth 566 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 2: most passionate Alabama fan? 567 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: I think that's right, That's how I feel. Yeah, Okay, yeah. 568 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 2: I tend to think that it's an arbitrary question, but 569 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: there's somebody out there who has categorized and cataloged everything 570 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: about UMass football throughout the years. 571 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: That's tremendous that question. Yeah, thank you very much. Here's 572 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: one that came through. So we did a show. I 573 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: don't know we do a show every week, but we 574 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: did a show recently where we talked about where I 575 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: said specifically that Alex Hornybrook was quote a massive upgrade 576 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: over James Blackman, and I caught a little bit of 577 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: flack on Twitter for that, I don't know, caught a 578 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: little bit of from who I'd rather have quarterback in 579 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: my team right now. I stay, James Blackman's gonna be 580 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: broken in half. I stand by the comment. But statistically, 581 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: when you look at what Hornybrook has done over his 582 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: career versus what Blackman did in that one extended season 583 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: that he had as a true freshman, statistically, it's pretty 584 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: similar statistically speaking, So I get the fact that someone 585 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: would take umbrage to the massive component of that statement. 586 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: He may be an upgrade. He certainly provides depth. He's 587 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: more of a known quantity. We could talk about that 588 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: on some other show. I'm sure we will as the 589 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: season gets closer. But the take that I found nestled 590 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: in that conversation was one particular guy who wrote in 591 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: to say that he thought Alex Hornybrook the real reason 592 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: he was leaving Florida State is because he fashions himself 593 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: at some point in the future as a college football coach, 594 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: and that the move to Florida State was one that 595 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 1: could give him ample opportunity to stay all after his 596 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: eligibility has expired, so that he can become a GA 597 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: and so launch his college football coaching career. 598 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 2: This is not unique to him, and I could imagine 599 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: that this was something that may have come up when 600 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew, I believe, committed to Alabama from ECU originally 601 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 2: that you know, the prospects weren't looking good, at least 602 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: set yourself up for the future. Rights That to me 603 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 2: is not a full stretch. 604 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: I get that it's not a full stretch. In a 605 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: lot of circumstances. However, Hornybrook was a guaranteed starter at Wisconsin. 606 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: He was going to be the starting quarterback. He was 607 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: going to be the starting quarterback. 608 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: You see the guy coming in this year. 609 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: I know he's very I know he's very good. 610 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: You see what Alex horneybro looked like last year. 611 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. I've made fun of 612 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: Hornybrook for the last three years. Okay, I get it. 613 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, guaranteed starter week one, Hornybrook. 614 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: Is your guaranteed starter week one to leave that situation 615 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: to go to another situation where he is potentially a backup, 616 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: potentially a third stringer who knows it. Just does not 617 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: seem like this would be one of those situations where 618 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,239 Speaker 1: he'd want to leave where he was at and go 619 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: somewhere else because he's trying to set himself up for 620 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: a coaching career. I don't get it. 621 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 2: I mean, this is not so far fetched that a 622 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: college football player is really smart and forward looking. I'm 623 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 2: not so far fetched. I don't like Alex Hornibrook probably 624 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 2: has a pretty good idea. He's not an NFL quarterback, right, 625 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 2: so so not two birds two birds tie. 626 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: I would hope. So. By the way, people are very 627 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: excited about James Blackman this year. 628 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 2: Okay, great, so I hope it works out for him. 629 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 2: Where else we go, we got somebody who said that 630 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: had let's see I want to get the right wording here. 631 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 2: If Mississippi State paid Cam's father like Auburn did, they'd 632 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 2: have a title right now. 633 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: Ooh, okay, Mississippi State didn't have Nick Fairley on that team. 634 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: Did they fight? 635 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 2: They didn't have a make fairly, but this is still 636 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 2: a I think they went nine and four, it looks like, 637 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 2: including the Bowl win over Michigan. I think that was 638 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 2: a Chris Relph team. I remember correctly, it's a pretty 639 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 2: Goossissippi State team. Defensive coordinator Manny Diaz. It was his 640 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 2: first year there. They let's see, they don't hang with Alabama. 641 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 2: They barely lose to a top fifteen Arkansas in double overtime. 642 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 2: They comfortably lose to LSU, and they get barely edged 643 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 2: out by a Cam Newton Auburn team, which at the 644 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 2: very least means early on they were very close to 645 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 2: being Auburn. Auburn did not have a particularly good defense 646 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 2: that year. Nick Fairley was great. 647 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: That was a ted Roof defense if I remember correctly, 648 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: which explains a lot, actually. 649 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 2: Does explain a lot. And the Auburn team around Cam 650 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 2: had talent Michael Dyer, Philip Watson, Kirk and there were 651 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 2: guys there, but this was not a stacked team. It 652 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 2: was a one man team in a lot of ways 653 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 2: with Cam Newton. So I actually don't think this is 654 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 2: super hot. National championship is a lot to say. A 655 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 2: lot goes into that and a lot of variables, and 656 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 2: you know, I think Auburn was probably better situated to 657 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,919 Speaker 2: beat Alabama than Mississippi State team with Cam. But there's 658 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: some there's some coolness to that. Actually, I don't think 659 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 2: it's the spiciest all right, I mean, is is Cam 660 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 2: Newton that you're good for winning two more games including 661 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 2: he was a lost to Cam Newton, which is they're 662 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 2: probably beating Auburn right with Cam Newton instead of playing 663 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 2: Cam Newton. 664 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: Yes, I would agree with that. 665 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 2: So that takes them to nine regular season wins. I 666 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,479 Speaker 2: would say they're probably beating Arkansas, a team they lost 667 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 2: to in two overtimes, right, Yes, agreed, So they're now 668 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 2: better than Arkansas. So now they're at ten regular season wins. 669 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 2: They lost by twenty two to LSU. We know Cam 670 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 2: Newton had arguably the game of his life against LSU, 671 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 2: but that's certainly closer in Alabama another game of his life. 672 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 2: They lose by twenty So can they go eleven and 673 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 2: one sneak in? Maybe? I don't know. I think I 674 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 2: think it's not the craziest thing. Although Auburn is getting 675 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 2: in and they didn't lose again that year, obviously, but 676 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 2: Auburn is getting in with one loss ahead of Mississippi 677 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 2: State with one loss. Pretty clear, it seems fair. Yeah, 678 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 2: so the Mississippi State brand is holding them back. But 679 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 2: if they have the Heisman winning quarterback, then suddenly the 680 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 2: brand gets help. See spicy, it helps Let me go. 681 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say there's a good shot. 682 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,439 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know if I feel good about it, 683 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: but a better shot for sure. Let me. Let me 684 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: throw two out at you and you tell me which 685 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,919 Speaker 1: one is spicier. Both of these came in. We've got 686 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: one that Michigan will beat Ohio State in twenty nineteen, 687 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: and then we've got another that the Pac twelve will 688 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: miss the playoff again in the twenty nineteen Oh my god, 689 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: twenty season. Which is which is the spicy of those 690 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: two takes? 691 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 2: Oh, Michigan beating Ohio State is way spicier. 692 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: So you're not feeling the Pack twelve making the playoff 693 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: who's the Pack twelve's playoff team. I don't know. I 694 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: mean there is one. I think that. 695 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 2: I'm saying, who is the PAC twelve's playoff team if 696 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 2: they get one in? If they get one in, it's 697 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 2: is it Washington? I'm either Washington or Will Washington. I'm 698 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 2: not saying will Washington get in the playoff. I'm saying, 699 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 2: if by chance a PAC twelve team were to make it, 700 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 2: the winner of the Pac twelve is it's either confidently 701 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 2: see it could be Stanford. I like kJ Costello plenty. 702 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: I don't like that they lose Bryce Love or Theyga Whiteside, 703 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: Cadence Smith, stars along the line. Yeah, not feeling I just. 704 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 2: I don't feel good about anybody in the PAC twelve 705 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 2: winning the PAC twelve. So that's a it's a pretty 706 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,439 Speaker 2: cold take to say the Pack doll's missing out again 707 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 2: because I don't know who to feel good about. 708 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: On the Michigan side, I feel good for Michigan this year. 709 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: It's long overdue. They have won three games in the 710 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: last eighteen meetings with Ohio State, and that doesn't even 711 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: count the game they lost by thirty and twenty ten 712 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: when that win was vacated they get Ohio State in 713 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: ann Arbor this year, a lot back on offense, Gonna 714 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: take some time to sort out their defense, losing Rashaun Gary, 715 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: Chase Winovich, Devin Bush, etc. Etc. But I think they're 716 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: in good shape. I'm excited to see what Ohio State 717 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: looks like under Justin Fields and especially with Ryan Day. 718 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: But Ryan Day is not Urban Meyer. He could be 719 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: a great coach, but there's a reason that they say 720 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: you don't want to follow a legend, and I'm curious 721 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: to see how he manages through a full twelve games 722 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,720 Speaker 1: slate as opposed to three. 723 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 2: This would be a good year. I'm a believer in 724 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 2: Dwayne Haskins being exceptional and a believer in Dwayne Haskins 725 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 2: with time in that system being exceptional, being a better 726 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 2: situation than Justin Field's coming in and expected to be 727 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 2: Dwayne Haskins immediately. So I think it's a good year 728 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 2: for Michigan to be great and better and play like 729 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 2: they're better than Ohio State. Ohio State's defense should be 730 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 2: really good, especially upfront this year. I'm sure Penn State 731 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 2: fans remember Chase Young. He's still there. He's still there. 732 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 2: Tyreek Smith still there, still great. So I'm still a 733 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 2: believer that this should be the year. Should there be 734 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 2: a year ever again that Michigan beats Ohio State, it 735 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 2: should be this year. 736 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: By the way, if you want a really spicy take day, yeah, 737 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: don sandwich you. I'm so hungry. I'm so hungry to 738 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: close out Michigan season. They are home against Michigan State 739 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: aka Little Brother, then on the road in Bloomington at 740 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,760 Speaker 1: Indiana before they come back home to square off against 741 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: their hated rival Ohio State. If that Indiana game isn't 742 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: an all time great let down, look ahead spot, I 743 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 1: don't know what is. I don't know how good Indiana 744 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: will be this year, but at least on paper in 745 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: late April, that looks pretty damn interesting to me. 746 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 2: Somebody gave us there are ten teams, and only ten 747 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,479 Speaker 2: teams are right around ten. There are maybe the same 748 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 2: ten teams every year that can win a title. No 749 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 2: other school has or will ever have a chance. The 750 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 2: ap top twenty five finished as such last year, each 751 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 2: of which, at various points of the season were kind 752 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 2: of threatening. Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, LSU, Florida, Georgia, Texas, 753 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 2: are the top nine. Washington State finishes number ten outside 754 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 2: of that top nine in terms of teams that have 755 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 2: the infrastructure, can amass the talent, put themselves in a 756 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 2: position to sneak in and get by whatever. I think, Michigan, 757 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 2: Penn State, and then I don't know Florida. 758 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: I don't know about Oregon. I don't know about Oregon. 759 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: Would you say after Florida State, Yeah, Florida State. I 760 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: think there's more than ten. 761 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 2: I think twelve. 762 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: I think there's more than twelve. I think A and 763 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: M is a team that can win a national championship. Yes, A, 764 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: specially under Jimbo Fisher. He will put the infrastructure in 765 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: place to make West Virginia. 766 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 2: No. I mean, I would say USC should be added 767 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 2: to that list at their absolute best, but it's tough 768 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 2: to foresee it in any sort of immediate future. UCLA, 769 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 2: I will say. 770 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: No, No, I think it's fifteen to twenty, somewhere in 771 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: that range. 772 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 2: I think twelve to fourteen. 773 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 1: Okay, do one or two more? 774 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 2: Okay, here we go, how about this one? 775 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: Tie? 776 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen. The twenty nineteen season will be Chip Kelly's 777 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 2: final season as UCLA's head coach. 778 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 1: Final season, final season. The only way Charles Kelly isn't 779 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: coaching in twenty twenty is if he leaves on his 780 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: own volition. 781 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. 782 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: So I don't think there's any chance he's getting fired. 783 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any chance he's leaving. I think 784 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: this is a guy who genuinely enjoys football. 785 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 2: Is wanting to coach football, the same exact thing as 786 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 2: not only do I want to coach football, but I 787 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 2: want to do it for the UCLA Bruins. 788 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 1: They are going to have to pry the playbook from 789 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: his dead, lifeless fingers before he'll leave. 790 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 2: Do you know who submitted this question this take to 791 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 2: us Dan Rubinstein in New York. I'm saying, that's my 792 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 2: take twenty nineteens last year. You think he's seen what 793 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 2: it's like to coach UCLA and we've all come to 794 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,959 Speaker 2: a point doing things in our lives pursuits where we've said, 795 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm just I'm cutting bait. This is 796 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,720 Speaker 2: not for me. I don't like where this is heading. 797 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,399 Speaker 2: I don't want to be a part of this. This 798 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 2: is based on no knowledge, This is based on no source, 799 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 2: This is based on no inside information. But I don't 800 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 2: think succeeding at UCLA is something that a chip Kelly 801 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 2: type will be the one to make happen. I think 802 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 2: a different I think a different kind of guy who 803 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 2: wants whose goal forever is to be at a place 804 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 2: like UCLA, to transform a place like the UCLA. And 805 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 2: I think chip Kelly is looking around at college football 806 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, the recruiting, you know, playing forty five 807 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 2: minutes away from campus, having academic standards to deal with, 808 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 2: or I guess, in the case of UCLA, no standards 809 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 2: to deal with other than just cold hard cash. I 810 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 2: think I think chip Kelly takes a long, hard look 811 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 2: and says, no, wow, okay, good, here's one for you. Okay, 812 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 2: I'll close out with this. I would rather have the 813 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,879 Speaker 2: first down line than HDTV. Well, what does that mean? 814 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 1: The first down? The computer generated first down? I know 815 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: you have to pick one or the given the choice. 816 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: Given the choice, you're taking the first down line versus hd. 817 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,839 Speaker 2: WHOA, that's really good. I mean we go one play 818 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 2: where the graphic department doesn't spit out the line of 819 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 2: scrimmage and the yellow first down line, and you're in 820 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 2: my head, No, what sport. Am I watching? How am 821 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 2: I supposed to know what's going on? Meanwhile, the sport 822 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 2: on TV has been like that for ninety four percent 823 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,360 Speaker 2: of its existence. Right, which would you rather have HGTV 824 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,760 Speaker 2: or the first down yellow line? 825 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,800 Speaker 1: I'm the one that rode I'd rather have the first 826 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:29,320 Speaker 1: down line. 827 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,239 Speaker 2: Okay, I figured it was you. 828 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: I think the first down line is one of the 829 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: greatest inventions in modern television history. 830 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 2: Do you like having the field goal line? No, like 831 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 2: they need to get to this point our career long 832 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 2: is right here for a forty seven yard er. I 833 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:47,879 Speaker 2: like doing the math in my head. 834 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 1: Wait, right, with the first down line, it's not arbitrary. 835 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: I know where they're getting that information because it's always well, 836 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,240 Speaker 1: it's always the same distance. 837 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 2: It's not exact exact, but it's you know, it's close 838 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 2: to on a true based on some true math. 839 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: The field goal line, I always wonder if the man's 840 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 1: trying to stick it to me, Like, where did they 841 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: get this information from? 842 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,719 Speaker 2: I think I'm about eleven teams, by the way, that 843 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 2: can win a national championship on any given year. 844 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,879 Speaker 1: Give me fifteen to twenty. 845 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 2: By the way. Shout out to our pal Peter Hoffman, 846 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 2: who has just a raging college football piece of excitement 847 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,399 Speaker 2: in his pants. For Sean Gleeson, the Oklahoma State new 848 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. He has hot take. Northwestern wins ten or 849 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 2: eleven games this year. Behind Hunter Johnson and his simmering 850 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 2: take is Oklahoma State and Shawn Gleeson's offense take the 851 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 2: Big twelve by storm and win the conference. 852 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: Boom shack a Laco. Okay, Okay, it's. 853 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,919 Speaker 2: A good year for Oklahoma State to be interesting and new. 854 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. Here's the way this works. 855 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,800 Speaker 1: It is late. Dan is tired. 856 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 2: I am tired. 857 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 1: As we said at the top of the show, one 858 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: of the latest shows we've ever done talking college football. 859 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,360 Speaker 1: We thank everyone who wrote in for helping us crowd 860 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,439 Speaker 1: source this epoch so to some degree. 861 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 2: And respond to any and all takes. 862 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: By the way, yeah, by no means does it mean 863 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: that when the show stops you should stop sending these 864 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: in Solid Verbal at gmail dot com is our email address. 865 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: As always, you can still hit us up on Twitter, 866 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,240 Speaker 1: on Facebook, on Instagram, and on the subreddit you mentioned. 867 00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,280 Speaker 1: Peter he helps run the Solid Verbal subreddit at reddit 868 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 1: dot com slash r slash solid Verbal hop on in 869 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: the community, join the conversation with other verballers. Let us 870 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: know what your hot takes are. I'm very curious to 871 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 1: see more of these. It popped a little bit more 872 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 1: than I expected when we put it on Twitter earlier 873 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: this evening, So keep them coming. They're always entertaining, and 874 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 1: by all means, subscribe to the show if you have 875 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,919 Speaker 1: them already. You can find us wherever you get your podcasts. 876 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,640 Speaker 1: Just look for the Solid Verbal. If you're unable to 877 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,359 Speaker 1: find it there, going out to our website, solidverbal dot com. 878 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,880 Speaker 1: And while you're there, Hey, what the heck? Why not 879 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: sign up for our newsletter. We use it sparing whenever 880 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 1: we have big announcements. By the way, Dan, we do 881 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: have some shirts that are currently in the laboratory. 882 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, did you get a chance to take a 883 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:11,879 Speaker 2: look at one of the two? 884 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,400 Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited about this. 885 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:14,799 Speaker 2: It's pretty good. 886 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 1: I stopped up at MoMA H's for dinner after work today. Sure, 887 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: and Mom h is very excited about this design. 888 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 2: Well, we're going to get our shirt, aren't we. We are? 889 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:25,759 Speaker 2: All right? 890 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: That's all I got, Dan, You take care of that instrument. 891 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,919 Speaker 1: I will good luck on your draft show. We will 892 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,320 Speaker 1: be back to feed my son, Go feed your son, 893 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: Go do your fatherly duties. We will be back in 894 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 1: a week post NFL Draft. Not sure if we'll talk 895 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,080 Speaker 1: about at dinner the week after, but before long we'll 896 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 1: break everything down. Enjoy it. We'll have much more to 897 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 1: say in the days and weeks ahead. In the meantime, though, 898 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 1: enjoy your week, enjoy your weekend, enjoy the rest of 899 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 1: your evening, and in the meantime, until next time. Today 900 00:47:58,840 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: Solid